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00:00On today's show, your ex-husband, who was abusive and dirty and had to be forced to wash, is now
00:05with Shaney, and you're now with Shaney's ex, Andy.
00:08Yeah.
00:08Shaney, who seems to have been everywhere.
00:10Yes, he has.
00:10With last, pardon?
00:12He's got a really bad reputation.
00:13Excuse me?
00:14Oh, God.
00:15Chat, she's married, you silly...
00:17How long were your manager, Christopher?
00:19Um, it was married a week.
00:21You were down on the bed, walking like that, calling me, going to...
00:25In bed with you, and I walked out.
00:27You're lying on me!
00:28You're stealing your ass!
00:30You told my producer something did happen, didn't you?
00:34Didn't you?
00:35This is a girl, 34, being accused of making some money off her sister's.
00:39It's deeper than that, isn't it?
00:41Because your mum, Jeanette's are in you.
00:43You always feel, I think, really, you're stuff, that you're the outsider.
00:46She could have supported me more in some ways, yeah.
00:48Some could have supported you more, are you real?
00:50Mummy couldn't support us anymore if she wanted to.
01:14Thank you, my friends.
01:15Good morning.
01:15It's ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:17Now, you might just recognise my first guest today from previous appearances here on this stage.
01:23Take a look at this.
01:25Last time on this show, you failed a lie detector, which you now say that's right.
01:29Let's get to the point.
01:31You left here having got with your ex-best friend's girlfriend.
01:36She was pregnant.
01:37Yeah.
01:37Now, sadly and shockingly, she lost the baby, but at the hospital, she dumped you.
01:42You wasn't there for her, right?
01:45At the hospital, she needed you.
01:47Where were you?
01:48You were not there for her.
01:49What did you do?
01:50You text me.
01:52Oh, I'm crying.
01:53I need a chat.
01:54No.
01:55You should have been there.
01:56Show your affection to her.
01:58Hang on.
01:58And you should have been there for her if you loved her.
02:00Before the test, Shaney admitted she'd had sex with Andy three times whilst in a relationship
02:05with Chris.
02:06Because she admitted it, we didn't bother to do the lie detector.
02:09So you...
02:10From now on, I want to break out of my life.
02:13Where is she?
02:14You run after her.
02:15Oh, stop.
02:16Stop going on again.
02:22She shows up like Roadrunner.
02:24You know how much I love you.
02:26Oh, my God.
02:27I'm going to be sick.
02:28You know how much I've been there for you.
02:32And you know how much I've been there for my life.
02:39Are you...
02:40Just go away.
02:41Why would it matter to you?
02:42Because he's...
02:43What are you...
02:43Oh, my God.
02:45Oh, God.
02:46Get out.
02:47I've got to get some fresh air.
02:49Oh, my God.
02:51Are you getting married in church?
02:55What's it got to do with you, anyway?
02:57You're not invited.
03:00I told Chris that I loved him and I loved Andy.
03:02I can't love two people at once, so I chose Andy.
03:05Now, try and keep up with you, this one.
03:07Because since the last show, Shaney, there, dumped the man that she said she'd get married to and got back
03:13with Chris.
03:14Ready?
03:14All right with that?
03:15Just so you're aware.
03:16And now Andy is in a relationship with Chris's wife, who we haven't met until now.
03:25Am I lost?
03:26I think so.
03:27Kim's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
03:36Now, listen.
03:37Many people know who watch this that I am slowly and sadly losing the plot.
03:41Can we just...
03:42What do you mean, that's okay?
03:43It's not.
03:44Shaney, who seems to have been everywhere...
03:46Yes, she has.
03:47We're last...
03:48Pardon?
03:48She has, but she's got a really bad reputation.
03:50Yes.
03:51You mean?
03:52Oh, God.
03:52Shut your mouth, you silly cow!
03:55It's a good start.
03:55Anyway, so Shaney, when she left here last time, we saw her being, well, proposed to...
04:00Well, she's back with him now.
04:02Anyway, she was being proposed to by Andy, yes?
04:05Yes.
04:05On the...
04:06There was the flowers and the ring and I had to go outside some fresh air.
04:09Literally a week.
04:10A week passes by.
04:12She's dumped Andy.
04:13Now she's back with Chris, right?
04:16They're all loved up.
04:17Oh, be quiet while I try and get my own old head round it.
04:20No!
04:21And you, who used to be married to Chris, who's now back with Shaney, have shacked up with Andy.
04:26So you've all had sex with each other.
04:29Yes.
04:29What was your relationship like with Chris?
04:31It was basically horrible.
04:33I was always...
04:34He was always violent to me.
04:38Well, this is a really...
04:40Oh, God.
04:41Big, oh, God.
04:42Basically...
04:43Biggest mistake of my life, marrying Chris.
04:45Could you lose the picture?
04:46Because I don't even know anybody.
04:47Just, thank you for...
04:48Shut up.
04:48He's abusive and dirty and I had...
04:51I had to force him to wash.
04:53Yes, I basically had to tell him to have a bath every day or shower every day.
04:58You told my team he...
05:00Will you shut up?
05:01What will you have your say in a minute?
05:04You said, yeah, this guy wouldn't let me dress in anything nice.
05:06It was all control.
05:08What sort of violence?
05:10Basically, on one occasion, he knocked my front tooth out.
05:14Four months before we got married.
05:16Why would you marry a man who knocks your front tooth out?
05:19Because, obviously, I was stupid.
05:20Obviously, I loved him at the time.
05:21He walked out a week after our wedding...
05:23I can't even say it.
05:24Wedding and threw the ring in my face.
05:25He left for Shaney.
05:26He left me for Shaney.
05:28This is a corker.
05:30Your ex-husband, who was abusive and dirty and had to be forced to wash,
05:33is now with Shaney and you're now with Shaney's ex, Andy.
05:37Yes.
05:38Some people would say that this is to get back at them.
05:40You say absolutely not.
05:41No.
05:41We're doing a lie detector today.
05:43Brilliant.
05:44Because you get a lot of harassment.
05:45But you're doing a lie detector today because there's a little part of you that...
05:54That Shaney sneaked into the reception on your wedding day and gave your ex-husband one.
05:58I had, basically, I had a Facebook message the other day telling me that Shaney was at our wedding reception.
06:06Where was she?
06:07Under the table?
06:08No, she was in, basically, when me and Chris were getting married,
06:10she was also, like, in the seats watching us get married.
06:14Right.
06:14And apparently she was carrying Chris's baby at the time.
06:17What?
06:21Today, you're with Andy, she's with Chris.
06:23You were married to Chris and she was with Andy.
06:25You don't want to be with Chris, you want to be with Andy.
06:28They're giving you a lot of grief.
06:29You're doing a lie detector because you believe that Shaney went in to the...
06:33She's doing one.
06:33Because she went into the wedding and tried it on with your husband.
06:36Today is, what, the end of this?
06:38Yeah.
06:38You're happy with Andy.
06:39Basically, I just want to tell him to leave me and Andy alone.
06:41One thing that strikes me about this whole thing is, I mean, how long were you married to Chris for?
06:46Um, he was married a week.
06:49Until he is when he left me.
06:50He left you after a week?
06:52He left me a week after a wedding.
06:52It's quite long by the Jeremy Carl's tellers.
06:55Shaney's on the way.
06:55She's on crutches.
06:56She's quite slow.
06:57But this is the woman who used to be with the man you're with and is now with the man
07:01that you were married to.
07:02So she's had everybody except for me.
07:04And that's why I'm getting off the stage.
07:05Shaney's next on the Jeremy Carl show.
07:15Do you want to start?
07:16Do you?
07:17Well, do you?
07:18Well, why don't you just leave us alone?
07:19I haven't even done nothing.
07:21You've been messaging Andy.
07:22Saying what?
07:23Asking him, basically, causing...
07:25Leave what misses known and starts threatening now.
07:28It's only been weather a week.
07:30No way.
07:30I haven't said nothing.
07:31No, you shut up.
07:32I've seen all the messages.
07:33I know you.
07:35What, I'm threatening me?
07:36Did I ask you to speak?
07:37I'm threatening me on Facebook.
07:38Well, then shut up.
07:39I'm confused enough.
07:40Tough.
07:41Well, obviously, threatening people I can't even mention.
07:43What did you say?
07:44I'm not learning.
07:45Shut up.
07:46It's like my brother's wife.
07:46I don't want two conversations.
07:48I'll ask you to speak when I'm ready.
07:49Button it or you'll go.
07:51Simple.
07:55So, can I just jump in?
07:57You're a bit rich, aren't you?
07:58There you were last time.
08:00Crying your eyes out with a bunch of cheap flowers and a ring.
08:03What's the matter with you, woman?
08:04Can you not stick anything longer than a couple of days?
08:06I thought you were marrying him.
08:07No.
08:07I seen you yesterday.
08:10It wasn't even awkward.
08:12Yeah, because...
08:12So, you're a hypochondriac.
08:13You just do lallying in your head.
08:15Yeah, you're just lallying anyway.
08:16Do...
08:16You're what?
08:17Lallying?
08:18Just do lallying, actually.
08:19Not whatever.
08:20Do lallying.
08:21I don't know about the fact that you call me a prostitute.
08:22Sorry.
08:23No, forget it.
08:23You are a prostitute.
08:24Well, I...
08:24Well, I...
08:27Oh, I'm all out of the way, babe.
08:29I'm all out of the way.
08:30It's definitely not.
08:32I'm not doing that.
08:32Toy, not again.
08:34I dare you.
08:35Andy, go back in there.
08:37Sorry, she don't do that.
08:39You, you, you get off this stage right now.
08:42You go.
08:42And you, you ever do that again, and you can take your backside and disappear out of my life?
08:46Woo!
08:54You know, I'm lucky.
08:55This is a mean, darling.
08:56You're a person here who seems to go from man to man.
08:58You were going to marry the last one.
09:00What happened?
09:02I was too...
09:02You're a serial...
09:03You're just one of those women that goes from man to man breaking people's hearts, aren't
09:07you?
09:07You were getting married to Andy.
09:10Two days after the show, you leave a man?
09:12Actually, it was a month.
09:14Oh, really?
09:15You told my team you wore two engagement rings for a month because you loved them both.
09:18Is that what you're going to play now?
09:19I love two men.
09:21I did.
09:21So what happened with you and Andy?
09:23Just kept on arguing.
09:25You were only...
09:26For two days?
09:27No, a month.
09:28So what...
09:30But...
09:31And now she's with your ex?
09:33No, she can have him.
09:34Did you do that to get back at her?
09:36No, I didn't, no.
09:37I just want him out.
09:38I just want you and Chris out of our lives to stop...
09:41To stop the threats.
09:42To stop making up a fake Facebook account.
09:44What fake ones?
09:45To stop messaging...
09:46To stop texting him on his phone.
09:47Because you love it, don't you, Shady?
09:48Because you told my team...
09:49Yes, you do, Shady.
09:50Because you told my team...
09:52You text Andy last night when we were in the hotel room.
09:54You told my team...
09:55I know that Andy still loves me.
09:58No, no, no.
09:59That's what you told my team.
10:00I don't love Andy at all.
10:03I know Andy still loves me.
10:05That's what you told my team.
10:06He texts me all the time.
10:08Don't even attempt to do that sad, pathetic face.
10:12Because it doesn't wash.
10:13I don't love Andy.
10:14You're the common denominator here, darling.
10:16A couple of months ago, when...
10:17When you...
10:18Oh, God.
10:19What do you want?
10:19When you fucked into Andy and Tam...
10:21Go away, darling.
10:22Go away.
10:23And you have to...
10:23What about the divorce papers?
10:28What was that response to the attorney?
10:30Through the post.
10:31You took him back for coffee.
10:32Answer that.
10:32Forget coffee.
10:33Hello?
10:33He says you won't sign the divorce papers.
10:36I sent him three times.
10:37Because I only received any.
10:39You're a liar.
10:41No, you are.
10:42I only received any.
10:44I don't want the divorce of you.
10:45I want...
10:46I sent him three times.
10:49I'm going to go to a break.
10:51I don't even...
10:52So, basically, you're...
10:53Go away.
10:54Go away.
10:56Yeah, and then you...
10:56Be quiet.
10:57It's called the Jeremy Kyle show.
10:59You, last time here, we're getting married to Andy.
11:01Two days later, you leave him.
11:03You're now with Chris.
11:04You were married to Chris.
11:05You're now with Andy.
11:06Have you slept with everybody?
11:07No.
11:08You're a real play.
11:10It says it all over your face.
11:11Coming at...
11:13Your wedding.
11:14What's this thing about...
11:15Apparently, you might have been at their wedding.
11:18I wasn't.
11:18Really?
11:19Where were you?
11:19Hidden at the altar?
11:20What's going on?
11:21I didn't even know Chris was married.
11:22That's what you...
11:23What do you mean you didn't know he was married?
11:24I didn't know he was married.
11:26Did you sleep with him on the wedding day?
11:27No.
11:27Have you done a lie detector?
11:29No.
11:29Who's done a lie detector?
11:30Chris has.
11:31Chris has.
11:31I'm glad I understand this show.
11:33It's named after me.
11:34After the break, shut up.
11:35The men in the middle, Chris and Andy, who frankly seem to be able to attract women like
11:39that.
11:39I'm going to go away and read a book and see if I can ever be so successful.
11:42Back in a minute.
11:43Don't go anywhere.
11:44You know that you split up with him for two days.
11:47You saw me in town.
11:48You went, oh, come for coffee.
11:50You got Nathan falling on the bed wanting me to give it to you and I walked out.
11:57It's you two liars.
11:58I'm a liar.
11:59And you're a liar.
12:01You're a liar.
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12:39Thank you very much, Ellie.
12:40Welcome back.
12:41Before the break, I met with Kim and Shani.
12:42Shani, you are an extraordinary person.
12:44You seem to have gone firstly from Andy on the show last time getting married, leaving
12:47him after two days.
12:48Now you're with Chris, your ex, you're now with Andy.
12:51The big thing about this whole situation, how long have you been with Chris?
12:55Eight months.
12:55You happy?
12:56Yes.
12:56In the eight months you've been with Chris, have you split up with him?
12:58No.
12:59Really?
12:59You didn't split up for two?
13:00You didn't split up for two days, no?
13:03That was, um...
13:04Did you split up for two days?
13:06No.
13:06Yes, you did.
13:07Did you go round to Andy's house with all your clothes up?
13:10I don't even know where Andy is.
13:11Oh, let's get Andy on the Jeremy Kyle show.
13:13Come on, Andy.
13:16You know that you split up with him for two days.
13:19You saw me in town.
13:21You went on, come for coffee.
13:22You got naked, crawling on the bed.
13:25And I walked out.
13:29Yeah.
13:29Can't you go from having a coffee to being naked?
13:31Who likes s**t, who do you will do?
13:36It's called Starbucks, by the way.
13:38Sit down.
13:38You're having coffee.
13:39Sit down.
13:40You had coffee with her and suddenly she's in your bedroom naked?
13:43No.
13:44She took me to hers, full coffee.
13:46She didn't even make the coffee.
13:47She got naked.
13:48And I walked out.
13:49When was that?
13:50Chris, you don't know, so shut up.
13:52When was that?
13:52Whatever.
13:53When they split for two days.
13:55Say, can we just go back a little bit?
13:56The last...
13:57I don't know why you're sitting there looking like the harmed person,
14:00because you're the reason it's all happening,
14:01but then you're not much better.
14:03The last time you were on this show,
14:04you were on Bended Knee telling you loved her.
14:06Flowers and a ring.
14:07What happened?
14:08Well, basically, I saw pictures of her...
14:13and...
14:13and Chris.
14:18Do you have to use words like that?
14:19So, 48 hours after you said,
14:21I'm going to spend my life with this woman,
14:23you found pictures of her and it's all over, yes?
14:25Yeah, definitely.
14:26I've got the woman in my dreams.
14:28Yes, yes, but then you've only got with her to get back at Chris,
14:31because she was married to...
14:32What?
14:32No.
14:33So you've always loved her?
14:34Yes.
14:34Well, then why did you marry her?
14:37Well, I don't know.
14:39I didn't marry her, I gave her a ring and took it back.
14:43Did you get it back?
14:44Yes.
14:45Right, so she's with Chris.
14:46What's going on between the four of you?
14:48Obviously, there's angst, because she slept with all...
14:50I got into it.
14:51What about you?
14:51You took your clothes off?
14:52No, I didn't.
14:53Yes, you did.
14:54No.
14:55Yes, you did.
14:56Did you want to have sex with her?
14:58You were on the bed, walking like that,
15:00pointing me, going to bed with you,
15:03and I walked out.
15:04You're a liar!
15:06Chris, why are you shut?
15:08You're a stinking little rat!
15:10No, it's...
15:11What are you...
15:12At today...
15:12You probably haven't even had a bath for, like, about a year!
15:15Can I ask a question?
15:17There's a lie detector today, Andy,
15:18because there seems to be some influence from Kim
15:21that on her wedding day to Chris,
15:23Shaney was at the wedding.
15:24You say this is ridiculous.
15:26Absolutely...
15:26I've never been to the wedding.
15:27So why send her a text saying,
15:30I was at your wedding,
15:31pregnant with Chris's baby,
15:32and I lost it then?
15:33And don't say you didn't,
15:34because I saw it.
15:35Were you at the wedding?
15:36No, I wasn't.
15:37I wasn't at the wedding.
15:38So what are you saying then?
15:39I wasn't at the message.
15:40She's a liar.
15:41And what a mate...
15:44You're just pathetic.
15:45So you're jealous of the fact she's with her?
15:47No, I ain't.
15:47Are you still in love with both of them?
15:49I'm in love with Chris.
15:50You're happy with Chris?
15:51Let's get Chris back on the Jeremy Kyle show.
16:00And you're a liar.
16:02No, mate.
16:03You can't see what she's like.
16:05What can you?
16:06Divorce papers.
16:08Really?
16:10Yeah.
16:11Yeah.
16:11Who's your anywhere around, Kim?
16:12Shut up.
16:13I'm not letting you spend time with my mates.
16:17I'm having no female friends because you're paranoid.
16:21Bro, man.
16:21Before we got married.
16:22When she's pregnant,
16:23because she won't have her abortion.
16:24She won't have her abortion before then.
16:26Because you said...
16:27I'm serious about you, mate.
16:29I don't even want to hear your voice.
16:30Be quiet.
16:30Yeah, shut up, Chris.
16:31Yeah, you can shut up.
16:33You can shut up.
16:34Hello.
16:34You can.
16:35Last...
16:35Look at me.
16:38Last time, you were devastated.
16:40She said, I don't...
16:41Said her.
16:41I don't want to be with you.
16:42Right?
16:43And she said...
16:43Don't let anybody say anything because Steve and I are struggling.
16:46And he got some flowers and a ring and married her.
16:48Right?
16:49Now you're with her.
16:50Can I ask you a question?
16:52How do you trust a woman who goes from man to man?
16:56Come on.
16:56Not you.
16:57Be quiet.
16:57I love her stretch.
16:58All's I've done.
16:59You've always loved her?
17:00Yeah.
17:01You do all right with men, don't you?
17:03I've never...
17:03It's not the first time I've been with him.
17:05It's not the first time you've been with him.
17:06He seemed to be with everybody.
17:08But that would just be a sweeping generalisation.
17:09You're happy with Shani, yes?
17:11In the eight months that you've been loved up, have you split it all?
17:15Never.
17:15Yes, you did.
17:16Two days because you stayed outside.
17:20Smoking dope.
17:21Stop swearing.
17:22Vote for me.
17:23Are you on dope?
17:24No.
17:24Are you on weed?
17:25No.
17:26You're on weed.
17:28Anyway, let's talk about what you describe as the most ridiculous allegation ever.
17:33You say that it's got so bad that you think that Kim and Andy got together to get back
17:38at you, right?
17:38No.
17:38No, we never at all.
17:40You say they will stop at nothing to cause trouble.
17:43And the latest allegation is that apparently Shani...
17:45Shani...
17:46I don't even know what to call you.
17:47She slipped into the wedding.
17:49Obviously, the wrong way to describe it.
17:53And something happened.
17:54She said I wasn't at the wedding.
17:56Was she at the wedding?
17:56No.
17:57So why tell me she was on the Facebook then?
17:59Shani turned up at the pub to speak to Catherine.
18:02You told my team she wasn't and I'll pass.
18:06You said just then, right, she said it to us.
18:09And you, because nobody heard you, said, I said that to wind you up.
18:13Why would you wind them up by saying that?
18:14Because she's easy to wind up.
18:16That's a child play.
18:16Why would you wind her up?
18:17It's childish.
18:18When are you getting on with your life, for God's sake?
18:20No, she's just easy to wind up, that's all.
18:22Did you, did you in any way admit to anybody that she was at the wedding?
18:28I was there for five minutes.
18:30Oh, you were there for five minutes.
18:32You just said you weren't.
18:33No, at the reception, at the pub.
18:35That was at the pub.
18:35Really?
18:36So you told...
18:37Wait a second.
18:38You told my team you weren't.
18:38Were you...
18:39Hello?
18:40Hello.
18:40Were you at the wedding?
18:41I haven't even been there.
18:42Or at the reception?
18:43Be quiet, seriously.
18:44I was there to talk to Cat, which is his sister.
18:47Right.
18:48So you lied as well just then?
18:50She was at the wedding.
18:51She turned up at the pub.
18:52How do you get married to a woman that is a woman that's there that you've been in love with
18:55forever?
18:56Why did you get married to her?
18:57She was a mistake.
18:59Yeah, so it was you.
19:00The biggest mistake, whatever means.
19:02Yeah, same here.
19:02So you're happy, and you're here today.
19:05You admit you did turn up for five minutes, but nothing happens.
19:07You want them out of their lives.
19:08You're not jealous of them.
19:09No.
19:10And you...
19:11As far as I'm concerned, Andy set my problems with them.
19:13I love your line in your notes.
19:15He said it's the ultimate...
19:15I want the problem.
19:16It's the ultimate...
19:16Hello, I'm speaking.
19:18Yes, you were.
19:18Be quiet.
19:19It's the ultimate betrayal of my life to think that my ex-wife is now with Andy.
19:23Do you not think you're as bad as them?
19:24Do you not think you're all as damn well bad as each other?
19:26And don't you think the common denomination of all this is her?
19:29You've loved this, haven't you?
19:30Men running after you the whole time, one to the other when it suits you.
19:35Did you go to the wedding?
19:36Well, like I...
19:37You said you hadn't before.
19:39Did anything happen?
19:39I think he's going to the actual main matter.
19:40Did anything happen over a sausage roll or not?
19:42No.
19:43Right.
19:43So you're going to pass.
19:45All the threats and all the violence is going to have to stop.
19:47Where's he going to end?
19:48Somebody who's going to prison.
19:50Do you want to be with her?
19:51Yes.
19:51Do you want to be with her?
19:52And I want them to back off.
19:54I want you to divorce Kim ASAP, right, without any...
20:00Without sending them back, right?
20:02You have to pass me.
20:02Yes, I have.
20:03I'm the one who's probably been trying to get you to divorce.
20:08I can't get you.
20:08I'm the one that sent the papers three times.
20:12You're a liar.
20:12No, I'm not.
20:13You are.
20:14You're lying through your teeth.
20:15No, I'm not.
20:16I have not received any divorce.
20:17Did you knock her front tooth out once?
20:19No, I didn't.
20:19I'm not a person.
20:20You're a liar.
20:21You are an absolute liar.
20:23Oh, I've never hit a woman.
20:26Oh, no, it's a white...
20:29I'm the one that you've run, and then you've been punching me.
20:33So why did you put me in hospital then and made me lose my baby?
20:36Really?
20:36Yeah.
20:37That's my lie.
20:39No, it's a...
20:40So you're Chris, because I've known you so long.
20:43I know what your temper's like.
20:45I'm telling you now.
20:46I'm not out of control.
20:47I'm telling you now.
20:48She's going to find out about me what it's like.
20:50Are you still in love with her?
20:51Are you still in love with Shani?
20:53Are you still in love with Shani?
20:53Excuse me.
20:54Are you in love with Shani?
20:55No, I'm still in love with Shani.
20:57As far as I'm concerned, right, she could jump off a bloody pier and drown.
21:03That's the kind of what he's talking about.
21:05Are you still in love with Andy?
21:09Oh, no.
21:10You're happy for him.
21:11Stop messaging him, man.
21:12I want to know.
21:13See, do you know, I don't believe a word you say.
21:16I think you're absolutely the biggest liar on this stage, because you've lied about the
21:19wedding.
21:19You've lied about who you loved.
21:20You did get naked.
21:21You're an impulsive liar.
21:21No, I didn't.
21:22You did get naked, didn't you?
21:23No, I didn't.
21:23You wouldn't pass a lie detector on that.
21:25You got absolutely naked, because you want both of these men on your terms.
21:27You're loving the game, aren't you?
21:29No.
21:29When you went to the wedding reception, not obviously the wedding, you went to the reception
21:32for the finger buffet.
21:33At the end of the day, don't, sorry.
21:42Did anything happen with him?
21:44Right, my friends, listen, after the break, keeping up, did Chris cheat on his wedding
21:49night with Shani, who didn't go to the wedding, she went to the reception, they spoke, well,
21:54they didn't, nothing happened.
21:55He's going to pass the test, and these four people are going to go in opposite directions.
21:58Steve, we're going to have a break.
22:00Get back in a minute.
22:01The evening town said you were going to be insane, and I did, because basically, I'm sick
22:11and tired of you not causing s***, guys, and my mate, my mate, mate, can I make a foul?
22:28Hello, Jeremy, come with me.
22:31Get your leg up, get yourself s*** up straight.
22:35I came to get down, I came to get down.
22:37Come on there, big boy.
22:39I've waited all morning for this.
22:41Bring it on!
22:44I touch that, won't you?
22:48Sorry, Jeremy.
22:50I'm coming to get you, I'm coming to get you.
22:53I don't know that!
23:02It's supposed to go, it's all right, Jez, go there, I tell you!
23:09Where are you going now?
23:11Go for a breather a minute.
23:12You're going the wrong day.
23:16Have you got a jealous partner?
23:18Are you the one that cannot control your jealousy?
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23:52I just want to take a couple of minutes and just recap this story so that I absolutely
23:57in my mind understand what's going on.
24:00On the last show, in fact move to one side, Stephen.
24:04On the last show, you, Andy, proposed in quite romantic fashion to you, Shane.
24:09Let's remind ourselves of that wonderful moment in the history of the Jeremy car show.
24:14Let's just play that clip.
24:16Oh, my God.
24:18You know how long I've been there, do you?
24:22And you know I'm all trying to mess my life on.
24:26You don't look very happy when he was asking.
24:28You look less happy now.
24:29Two days after that, it was two days, William, 48 hours.
24:32It's quite a long time.
24:33You left, Andy, and you're now back in the arms of Chris.
24:37That's true, and Chris is the man you want to be with.
24:41From absolutely nowhere, Chris's ex, Kim, is now with Andy, which some people might think
24:46was done to spite them, but you say we've always had an effect.
24:49We were asking it anyway.
24:50They are.
24:50You're together.
24:51Yeah.
24:51When you Chris married you, Kim, all those years ago, there's been this accusation that
24:56you, the one who's in the middle of it all, turned up and something happened.
25:00You spent, well, a few months and weeks and days telling us that nothing happened.
25:03You just admitted you went to the reception for five minutes.
25:06You've done a lie detector to say, nothing happened, I'll pass, I'm happy with her, you
25:12get on with him, and we can all go in separate directions.
25:14Is that right?
25:15Let's do those all-important lie detector results then.
25:17That'll be lovely.
25:18Thank you, William.
25:19Two hours, two days, merits.
25:23We asked Chris, on the day you married Kim, did you passionately kiss Shaney?
25:30You said no.
25:30Why did you say no?
25:31It's so interesting.
25:32Tess says you're a liar, pal.
25:36On the day you married Kim, did you have sexual contact with Shaney?
25:40You said no.
25:41You're laughing now.
25:42You failed every single question.
25:44You had sex with her.
25:46You had sex with her on your wedding day, yeah?
25:48No.
25:49Really?
25:49Yeah.
25:50Why did you fail?
25:50Oh, hello.
25:51I don't know what I'm talking about, right?
25:53Say it.
25:55You're going to give me that divorce now, are you?
25:57You're going to give me that divorce and leave us alone?
25:59Hang on.
26:00I've asked you so many times, can I voice something out?
26:04Can I say something?
26:05Better stay.
26:05Can I say something?
26:06This lying, duplicitous woman.
26:09Dirty little tram.
26:11You told my producer something did happen, didn't you?
26:15Wait, don't say a word.
26:16You told my producer something did happen, didn't you?
26:19Didn't you?
26:21Yes.
26:23You are the biggest liar that has ever been on this stage, and do you know what you should
26:28do?
26:28You should run for the hills, because you are an absolute, you can't even spell the word
26:34truth.
26:34You are absolutely, you are disgusting, and do you know what's going to happen to you?
26:38He'll leave you.
26:39He'll leave you, because nobody will be able to.
26:42You are absolutely the reason it's happening, you are dreadful.
26:45Sit down, sit down.
26:46You lying to hit me around.
26:47Sit down.
26:49So you're, um, another day in the life of me.
26:52You're happy to stay with her?
26:53Yeah.
26:54What I need you to do, right, as you walk off with the love of your life, is go and
26:58get
26:58surgery and get an eye put there, because I couldn't trust this if you gave me all the
27:01money in the world.
27:02Get out of here, you two.
27:03Give them a round of applause.
27:06Bye.
27:08You all right?
27:08Is that okay?
27:09Dirty little tramp.
27:11Did you use those crutches at the wedding?
27:13No.
27:14Because I didn't have the problem then.
27:18Do you know what I think?
27:19Do you know what's really, really, right?
27:20Do you know what's really, really interesting, right?
27:23Genuine thing, right?
27:25Just leave them.
27:27I think she's the most duplicitous person we've had on this show for a long, long time.
27:31I think that'll last probably less than two days.
27:33I look at her, and then I look at him, and he's going to wise up.
27:36What has she got?
27:37Why'd you keep doing this?
27:39I ain't no more.
27:40I want them out of our lives.
27:42Are you happy?
27:43Leave us alone.
27:43I'm happy with Kim.
27:45Kim is loving my life.
27:48You've been a root.
27:49Oh, God.
27:50Just shut up, you.
27:51Just go.
27:52Oh, why don't you shut up as well?
27:53Nothing to do with you.
27:54I'm sick and tired of this.
27:55What's your name?
27:56He's sitting in beer.
27:57What's your name?
27:57It was me that shut it out.
27:58Well, the two of you, get out of my studio.
28:00Goodbye.
28:00Thank you very much.
28:04Go.
28:06Go.
28:08What does the future hold for you two?
28:10Go away.
28:12What does the future hold for you two?
28:14Just want to be happy.
28:16Be happy.
28:17Settle down.
28:18And just get on with our lives together.
28:19Good.
28:20In fact, they're mostly causing hassle or fret.
28:23All you have to do, surely, is avoid.
28:27I'll shut your mouth.
28:28I'm done with these people.
28:30Can you seriously take them out of the...
28:31You even turned around and said you were going to free and shady.
28:34Deny it.
28:35Yeah.
28:35Do you win?
28:35I did.
28:36Because basically...
28:39Oh, God.
28:41Basically, I'm sick and tired of you lot causing...
28:45Can I make a point?
28:47Can I make a point?
28:50You give the impression, you give a damn.
28:52Go and have a knife with her and don't give a damn.
28:55Get out of there.
28:55Fuck me!
28:56You are going to have the biggest rude awakening in your life.
28:59You can't trust her.
29:00Actually, because the wine is strict she has...
29:03Now would be a good time to run away from her because she wouldn't be able to get after
29:06you with them crutches.
29:07Right.
29:07Where have they gone now?
29:09Right.
29:09They're going to be happy for about two days, William.
29:11They'll probably get married, try for a family and split up by Tuesday.
29:14Right.
29:14Where have these two gone?
29:17You two all right?
29:19Yes, Fania.
29:20Listen, the only advice I would give you is this.
29:22To just seriously just leave these people alone.
29:26The four of you do not need to do it.
29:28And if you keep running after her, she'll think you give a damn.
29:31Do you understand?
29:32I don't.
29:32I care about Kim.
29:35And I'm going to show you...
29:36Oh, my God.
29:37No.
29:38No.
29:39No, no.
29:40I'm sorry.
29:41I'm going to marry my life with you.
29:42Yeah.
29:43Right.
29:43And you know how much I love you.
29:46Yeah.
29:47Right.
29:48I want to marry you.
29:51Right.
29:52I want to spend our whole life together till death do us part.
29:56Will you marry me?
29:57Yes.
30:00I'm...
30:01Oh, my God.
30:02Can I...
30:06What is wrong with you?
30:08I make her happy.
30:09She makes me happy.
30:10You asked the other one to marry you.
30:12That was a big mistake.
30:14She's like hell from a tree trunk.
30:16She's like...
30:17Let me just ask you one thing.
30:20Is this it?
30:21Yes.
30:21Because I don't really want to see you again.
30:23Yes.
30:23This is love of my life.
30:24Please tell me you haven't given her the same ring you gave Shailie.
30:27No.
30:27It's a new one.
30:28Yes.
30:29So you're happy?
30:30Yes, I'm happy.
30:31Would it last longer than two weeks?
30:33Yes, definitely.
30:35Shut up like you care.
30:36I'm really obviously going to have a breakdown myself.
30:40And you're definitely now marrying him.
30:42Yes.
30:42I get my divorce from Chris.
30:44Yeah, I'd have help.
30:44And we sorted him out.
30:46Yeah, not for a couple of years.
30:48So you've made history.
30:50You're the only person in the history of the Jeremy Kyle show to have proposed twice on the show and
30:56once whilst you were watching it.
30:58I wish you the very best of luck.
31:00Give them a round of applause.
31:01Yes, ladies and gentlemen.
31:05Listen, it's not for me to judge.
31:07Hopefully they'll stay together and we'll never see them again.
31:09Let's continue.
31:10My next guest today, Sam, is here as she is desperate to prove to her family she hasn't stolen from
31:14her younger sister, Claire.
31:15Sam says she's always felt like the black sheep of this family and says her mum, Janetta, has never been
31:19there for her.
31:20And once she clears her name, she does not want anything more to do with them.
31:23She says, today I'm going to make my points and then I'm walking off.
31:26Sam's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
31:36Big day for you.
31:37Two issues really and it's interesting because when you read this story initially you think, ah, this is a girl
31:4234 being accused of nicking some money off her sister.
31:45She's going to come here and clear her name.
31:46It's deeper than that, isn't it?
31:48Because your mum, Janetta and you, um, you always feel, I think, reading your stuff, that you're the outsider.
31:54Tell me about your upbringing.
31:55Why were you?
31:56Um, we didn't have a really bad upbringing.
31:58It was all right.
31:59But I left home when I was 17.
32:02I ended up pregnant with my first son.
32:05Um, he died with me at 13 and a half hours old.
32:11And it was hard.
32:14Was your mum there for you?
32:16Yeah, she was there when I lost him and that.
32:18But then when it came to my son's 16th birthday is all I had was a phone call.
32:25And I needed support.
32:26I didn't have any.
32:28I was, well, I couldn't move.
32:30I couldn't get up out of bed.
32:31I didn't want to do anything.
32:32Has she been, let's cut to the chase, has she been as good a mother as you believe she should
32:38have been?
32:39She could have supported us more.
32:41She could have supported me more in some ways, yeah.
32:44Sam, could have supported you more, are you real?
32:46Sam, mammy couldn't support us anymore if she wanted to.
32:49Who are you?
32:50Are you Claire?
32:51You're serious.
32:52Yes, I am serious, Sam.
32:54Claire, you are the golden girl.
32:55You are not running mammy down.
32:56You are the golden girl.
32:59Uh, excuse me, Sam.
33:00You'll be the mad, bro.
33:00I'm not running mammy down, Sam.
33:02Sam, no chance.
33:03You are the golden girl.
33:04Who's back and forth to Cardiff with you?
33:06Yeah, you came home to Cardiff.
33:07Who gave you the money to go?
33:09Because you didn't have the money to go.
33:12I had an ambulance.
33:13Who paid for you waiting?
33:15I had an ambulance.
33:16Yeah, you paid for my wedding ever since.
33:18You've thrown it back in my face.
33:19I have not thrown it back in your face.
33:20The same as my son's grave has been thrown back in my face many a time.
33:24Oh, no, I have not thrown it back in your face.
33:26I was up there when I was completely pregnant.
33:28One of your sisters has offered to see to the baby's grave
33:30and you will refuse to let her see to it.
33:33No.
33:34Yes.
33:34No.
33:34And you have even told me that if anybody puts a stone on that grave
33:38that you will have them done.
33:40No, you lot went behind my back and you're going to have it done.
33:43No.
33:43No, no, we have not.
33:44A little bit confused.
33:46To us from me, Helen.
33:47Sorry, Jerry.
33:48To us from me.
33:49Never call me Jerry.
33:50It really does my head in.
33:51Thank you very much for doing that.
33:52Can we get a couple of chairs?
33:53We might as well.
33:54I'm sorry, but I'm so...
33:56To us from me, Sam.
33:57Can you just sit down, guys?
33:59Just make some sense.
34:00Can you just one at a time?
34:01Sit down.
34:01Can you sit down?
34:03Sit down a minute.
34:04Zach, you come out here and you say,
34:06I've always been the black sheep of the family.
34:08We need to...
34:08You didn't...
34:10Look at me.
34:10You didn't say anything with substance.
34:12I'm sad to hear about your son,
34:14but you talked about that
34:16and then you flipped 16 years.
34:18I know there's this...
34:19No, let me finish, darling.
34:21I know there's this accusation
34:22that you've stolen some money
34:24and you're coming to do a lie detector.
34:25You say, and this is the issue, seriously,
34:28my mother has always favoured Claire over me.
34:31Claire is immature.
34:32She's a drama queen.
34:34She's a busybody
34:35and she causes the problems.
34:36That's what you told my team.
34:38That's what this is about.
34:39So instead of talking over each other,
34:41talk to them.
34:42Tell them.
34:42No, it's not that.
34:43It's the fact that when that money went missing,
34:45you accused me of not.
34:47Not?
34:47One at a time.
34:48Everybody has accused me
34:49of stealing that money.
34:51Tell me something about the money.
34:52Will somebody give me some fact to this story?
34:54Whose money?
34:55What happened?
34:55It was my money.
34:56I had £70 of my money.
34:58It doesn't matter how much.
34:59Where was it?
34:59Hidden in your room?
35:00Yes.
35:01Locked in a box.
35:02And why did she accuse your sister?
35:04I didn't.
35:05Well, why did she end up in the police?
35:06Because the police got called.
35:08She kept telling me to phone the police.
35:09So I phoned the police.
35:10And once I phoned the police,
35:12she started kicking off.
35:13No, I did not.
35:15Have you stolen in the past?
35:17When I was younger, yes.
35:18You said she acted suspiciously in front of the police as well.
35:21You said that to my team, right?
35:23Shifty.
35:24No, what I said was that she was phoned the police, phoned the police, phoned the police.
35:29So I phoned the police.
35:31And we called her bluff.
35:32Every time since...
35:35Every time I've spoken to her, since she's phoned the police, been brought up.
35:39No, I was not.
35:40Do you think she nicked the money, Claire?
35:41The way she's acting, I don't.
35:43Are you jealous of your sister?
35:44No.
35:44Yes, you are.
35:45It's written all over your face.
35:47Claire is 34, Claire is 21.
35:49I got a phone on my mother.
35:51She's got.
35:52There are six of them altogether.
35:55Do you do more for Claire because she's younger, is what you're saying?
35:58No.
35:58What's your relationship?
35:59The reason that I have done...
36:12She was in two casts.
36:14How is she supposed to manage with an 18-month-old baby?
36:19Without talking about that, have you favoured...
36:21This is my point.
36:22Sam, you've got to say it, love.
36:24You just sat over there with your...
36:25I haven't favoured anybody, Jenny.
36:27That's what it says.
36:28I have not favoured.
36:29Where are you every time I try phoning you?
36:32What do you mean, Sam?
36:33Where are you every time I try phoning you?
36:35With Claire.
36:36How many times have I heard from you in the last two months?
36:39The last two months?
36:40The time you bothered phoning me in the last two months was when you had a phone call from the
36:43show.
36:44Who heard from me when I was running round for you?
36:48For you?
36:48I'm running rocket for you.
36:50Yes, for you.
36:52When?
36:52What have you got about your mum?
36:54You keep going, oh, you're worth it.
36:55What is it?
36:56Was she a rubbish mum?
36:57Are you a spoiled 34-year-old who's got your knickers in a twit because you're younger sister?
37:02No, I'm not the spoiled 34-year-old.
37:02Well, you don't act like a 34-year-old.
37:04Why don't you go and make your own life?
37:05She's 21.
37:06What's the matter with you?
37:07You're an adult.
37:08Deal with it yourself.
37:09What's wrong, Sam?
37:10Is it because mummy's been...
37:12Oh, God.
37:13No, you're not family.
37:15You're not family at all, dear.
37:16She is family.
37:17Hang on.
37:18It's nothing, Jeremy.
37:19Hang on.
37:19She's not a...
37:20No, are you.
37:20I'm her.
37:21Oh.
37:22She can keep right out of it.
37:24I'm no family when I've been there for it.
37:26Are you related to her?
37:28No, no.
37:28I don't know my biological family.
37:30Are you...
37:30No.
37:31They're not related, Jeremy.
37:31She's not biologically family.
37:33By the way, how slow are you two?
37:34They are not to put up with every day.
37:37I'm not family when I've been there for it.
37:38Did anybody ask you to get...
37:40When she's been there for me, Sam.
37:41Did you make the money?
37:42No.
37:42Are you hacked off with your mother?
37:43Yeah.
37:44Why?
37:44Because I'm getting fired up of being accused of things all the time.
37:47And everything that's always happened...
37:49Right, start there.
37:49What's your name?
37:50Gemma.
37:50Do you agree with her that she's always blamed?
37:53Right, go.
37:53When you move...
37:54She's only just...
37:55Come on, you bloody live.
37:57She's...
37:57Hold on a minute now.
37:58She's just...
37:59I've been...
38:00I've hacked the wall for my doctor's safety.
38:02Everybody knew where you lived except for Sam.
38:04Yes.
38:05Not everybody knew.
38:05She has got nothing at all to do with this.
38:08What are you?
38:09She tried to move herself in with one of my other doctors a few years ago.
38:13Oi, she.
38:13Why are you...
38:16Gemma, what is your...
38:17Gemma, don't you think you've got more problems to sort out more than this?
38:21Like, trying to find out who the baby's father is?
38:23I know who the father of my baby is.
38:27What is that going to do?
38:29That's nothing to do with you.
38:30What's your name, darling?
38:33You get off the seat of my kids, yes?
38:37I know who the father of my child is.
38:39That's nothing to do with you.
38:41Can I quote something out?
38:42You've managed to destroy in a heartbeat the chance for that girl to speak to her mother.
38:46What's your name?
38:47I'm Lexi.
38:48Where are you going?
38:49She?
38:50Oh, God.
38:51Jeremy, these have come from nowhere.
38:54Tell me about it.
38:55Just let them run on.
38:57Gemma, see?
38:58That's nothing to do with you.
38:59Sorry, on a minute.
39:00You're called in.
39:00This is nothing to do with us.
39:01I'd like to give the impression that I know what I'm doing.
39:04What's your name?
39:04I'm Lexi.
39:05What have you got to do with this?
39:07Auntie Sam.
39:08That's who I...
39:08Who she's been.
39:09Auntie Sam?
39:10She's been my Auntie Sam since I was nine.
39:13She's been in my life and she's supported me and I've supported her.
39:17What's your view of this situation?
39:18Is she missing...
39:19She's getting blamed for something she hasn't done.
39:21We haven't actually accused Sam.
39:23Yes, you have.
39:24No, we have not.
39:25Sam is accusing herself.
39:27And the way she's acted, she's making herself guilty.
39:31Well, why is she the only one being accused?
39:33She's not the only one that was suspected, not accused, suspected.
39:39This is my point.
39:40They're saying that they're not saying anything.
39:43It was not.
39:44When they slip up and say that there was.
39:46Oh, no.
39:46You shut your mouth and listen.
39:50You were there.
39:51You were there.
39:51You were there.
39:53You were there.
39:54No, she came to my house afterwards crying to me.
39:57Oh, wow.
39:58I was there for her all the time.
40:02Where have you been?
40:03You're meant to be a mother, so step up and be one.
40:06Are you kidding?
40:07Don't you dare talk to my mother like that, good girl.
40:11And...
40:11Oh, seriously.
40:13You talk to her like that again and you will be sorry.
40:17Nobody's...
40:17I don't like that.
40:18I don't like that.
40:18I don't like that.
40:18I don't like that.
40:19I don't like that.
40:19I don't like that.
40:20On national television?
40:21That's ridiculous.
40:22Have you been made for Sam or do you also just...
40:24She knows nothing.
40:25I've had two new replacements.
40:27Where was Sam when I had my niece replaced?
40:29Where is Sam?
40:30Can Sam get...
40:31Where was she when I had two new replacements, Jenny?
40:33Why don't you and Sam ever talk?
40:35Why does everybody else...
40:36She will not speak to me.
40:37This one will tell me everything.
40:40Sam, stop flouting off and come back here.
40:42Tell me everything.
40:44Come back here.
40:44The only time she...
40:45Sam will talk to me.
40:45Stop talking a minute.
40:46Stop talking a minute.
40:49Whoever supports whoever is one thing.
40:51You can't sort this unless you put some meat on the bone.
40:56You're not even crying, darling.
40:57I've done this long enough.
40:58There's no tears in your eyes.
41:00There's no tears in your eyes.
41:02I'm really sorry.
41:02If you've got an issue with your mother, she's very eloquent.
41:05She's very forceful.
41:06Talk to your mother.
41:07Go on, talk to her.
41:08I can't.
41:09Why don't you try?
41:11Talk to her.
41:12The last couple of weeks when I tried getting old of you,
41:16like when my son's birthday,
41:18yes, you phoned me.
41:20Yeah, and I was ill at the time, Samantha.
41:23But do you...
41:24Claire?
41:25I was ill at the time.
41:27Right, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
41:27I'm going to go to a break.
41:28We've got lie detector results,
41:29and you're going to learn one thing.
41:31Stop sitting there.
41:31She spoke it.
41:33You've got to feel it.
41:34Tell her after the break,
41:35when you say you're going to prove you didn't hit the money,
41:37why you feel like the outsider,
41:38why you feel like the black sheep.
41:40Don't go anywhere.
41:40Three minutes back with the results.
41:42Did she hit the money?
41:44I don't.
41:45We have a suspicion.
41:46Well, the way she's been acting...
41:48We asked Sam,
41:50did you steal any of the money from Claire's cash box?
41:53She said no.
41:53Why did she say no?
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42:35Welcome back.
42:36Can I just say to all of you,
42:37you've got to understand where I'm coming from
42:39because you say you didn't nick the money,
42:41we'll do the lie detector,
42:41but your feelings about your mother,
42:44whether they go back 34 years or three weeks,
42:46it's not about your sister,
42:48it's not about your mates,
42:49it's about you.
42:49But it is about my sister.
42:51And you don't.
42:51No, it isn't.
42:51You're just like a jealous 34-year-old.
42:53No, I'm not.
42:54Why don't you try and do something about your relationship with your mother
42:56instead of passing it off on your sister?
42:58You're 34.
43:00Well, that's the thing.
43:00Every time you try and get anywhere near my mother,
43:03Claire's always there.
43:04Okay, so let's do the results first.
43:05Did you nick the money?
43:06No.
43:07And you're hacked off and you support her on this
43:09because whenever anything goes wrong,
43:10they blame you.
43:11But they said that you called the police.
43:14They said you wanted to put this right.
43:15Why would you do that if you'd nick the money?
43:18Exactly.
43:19Why would I do this if I'd nick the money?
43:21So they didn't accuse you, did they?
43:22They didn't phone the police.
43:24They didn't.
43:24They did phone the police.
43:25I did phone the police because she kept on me.
43:27They feel like you just...
43:28There was posts being put all over the police.
43:30Do you think she'd nick the money?
43:31Did she nick the money?
43:32Jeremy, I don't.
43:34We have a suspicion.
43:36Well, the way that she's been acting...
43:39We asked Sam, did you steal any of the money
43:41from Claire's cash box?
43:43She said no.
43:43Why did you say no?
43:44For telling the truth.
43:45She was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
43:47Thank you!
43:48I heard that as well.
43:52It's all aimed at your sister, isn't it?
43:55You're jealous of your sister, aren't you?
43:57No.
43:58Yes, you are.
43:59It's all at your sister.
44:00No, I'm not.
44:00Just by the way, for a theft lie detector,
44:03just to make sure she's not implicated,
44:04do you know for sure who stole that missing money
44:05out of Claire's cash box?
44:06She said no.
44:07Your daughter passed both questions.
44:10Now, I'm going to do this differently.
44:11You're doing it again!
44:14I'm talking to both of them.
44:15We did not accuse you.
44:19I have never accused you.
44:21So why are people coming up to us in our local town
44:25asking me about this?
44:26Because people like to stir.
44:28You know what it's like.
44:30We're going to do this slightly differently.
44:32I really appreciate you if you'd like to go that way,
44:34and I really appreciate you if you go that way.
44:35Give them a round of applause.
44:43It's not about your kid's sister.
44:45It is.
44:46Why is your relationship with your mother so fractured?
44:49Because she always backs the wrong horse.
44:51Well, why don't you look at her and tell her that
44:52without shouting?
44:53Why don't you try talking?
44:54Like when we were in a birthday party,
44:55and somebody said something to you,
44:57and you turned to her and said,
44:58oh, no, she wouldn't do that.
44:59She wouldn't do that!
45:01Who's that?
45:03I never said anything this year.
45:04Do you love your daughter?
45:05Do you love your daughter?
45:07Yes, you did.
45:07I love all my daughters, Jeremy.
45:09But why do you seem to be,
45:12I don't know,
45:13less effusive towards her than maybe Claire?
45:15What is it that she's done?
45:16You need to talk to each other.
45:18Yeah, what have I done?
45:19Who has been there most of the time for me
45:23when I've needed someone?
45:25Who?
45:26You haven't.
45:26Who?
45:27You haven't.
45:28Well, you go f***ing fuck when I had my son.
45:32Don't you swear.
45:33Who's there then?
45:35Who's there then?
45:36I was.
45:37Were you?
45:38Yes.
45:39I'm on, but who's there for you?
45:41Who had the kids all the time?
45:45Who looked after them?
45:46Where did all the resentment come from, Sam?
45:49Who looked after them?
45:50I've done nothing for you, have I?
45:52I haven't said you haven't done nothing for me.
45:53That's the impression you give.
45:55I've done nothing for you.
45:57I don't know what it is you expect your mother
46:00to have done differently, hear me out,
46:01or what she hasn't done in your mind,
46:03but if you shout and scream at each other
46:05from now till the end of time,
46:07it will never be sorted out.
46:08What have I found?
46:09I think there is deep-seated resentment
46:11going back many, many years.
46:13I don't think you've ever been able to really label that
46:16so that your mother can address it.
46:17On my son's birthday, right?
46:19Yeah, okay, she said that she was ill.
46:22But I needed support that day.
46:25I couldn't even get up out of bed.
46:27I was that bad.
46:28With suffering for my son's birthday.
46:32But then again, though, she was there for somebody else.
46:34And she knows who that person is as well.
46:37Can I ask you both to,
46:39because there's people who aren't here
46:40that we can't talk about,
46:41can I ask you both to, without anybody else,
46:44just sit down with Graham for a little while
46:46and see if we can begin a process,
46:47where by instead of shouting?
46:49No.
46:50No.
46:50No.
46:51It's childish, darling.
46:52It doesn't work.
46:53No.
46:53Yeah, she does.
46:54I'm not coming back for you, babe.
46:56If you want to act like that, grow up.
46:58Deal with your own stuff.
47:07The opportunities we are is here to put right
47:10why you feel so angry.
47:13Sam, the opportunity is here
47:15for you to start to put right
47:17by talking the reasons that you came here.
47:21And flouncing off is not going to happen.
47:24You never get a chance to speak to Graham again.
47:26You don't want that opportunity.
47:27You don't want our help, no?
47:29I don't want...
47:30Well, I don't know.
47:32I don't know what I want.
47:33I do.
47:34We need to break down the barrier of resentment.
47:37Listen, you've said that you are interested
47:38in doing that for your daughter's sake.
47:40Yes or no?
47:41Yeah.
47:42As I said, I've got six children.
47:44I've got 21 grandchildren.
47:47It's not much time.
47:48So the 34-year-old's moaning that you're right.
47:51I think there's a lot to this
47:53that goes back a long way.
47:54Will you...
47:55I had to tell him back in my face about my son.
47:57So much anger.
47:58Will you try with Graham
48:01and let's see backstage
48:02if we can get her to sit down
48:03and spend a bit of time.
48:05Nice lady with the green hair.
48:06Can you hear me?
48:07Yeah.
48:08If you're as good as I think you are,
48:10you need to convince your friend
48:11that spending half an hour with Graham
48:13and the team,
48:13however much she doesn't want to,
48:15is the chance of a lifetime
48:17she won't get again
48:18and it would not be anything
48:19other than beneficial, all right?
48:22Yeah.
48:22We wish you the best of luck.
48:23We'll keep everybody updated.
48:24If you'd like to go that way,
48:25give her a round of applause,
48:26ladies and gentlemen.
48:29Well, there you know,
48:30we'll do our best.
48:30That's the remit
48:31to try and sort it out
48:32and help people move forward.
48:33I am for this morning out of time.
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