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12:22So Zach FaceTimed Jen
12:25While he was in the villa
12:26Yeah
12:27And they had conversations with
12:29Marcy, FooFoo, PooPoo, Buttface
12:32He said that more happened between him and Demi
12:35He said that there was more than kissing now
12:38So it just keeps going up
12:40Zach believed it before he even went
12:42So that's not shocking
12:43You want to choose to believe somebody who is
12:45A well-documented liar
12:47Versus somebody who has always told the truth
12:51I want nothing to do with this
12:52So Jen, why are you still lying about me?
12:55Why are you going on podcasts
12:56Saying that I sat on Marciano's lap
12:59And that I kissed him in the villa?
13:01This is so crazy
13:03So Jen and Zach were on the Vile Files podcast
13:07And they were asked about what went down
13:09Between Demi and Marciano
13:11I was asking her about how this trip was going
13:12And you called me and was like
13:13Yeah, Demi's just been crying in our room for the last hour
13:15She feels so bad
13:17She feels like she's cheated on her husband
13:19Yes
13:19Well, why?
13:20Well, because she was sitting on his lap
13:21She was kissing him
13:23All these things that were never shown in the edit
13:25I mean, you have a group of people
13:27That are constantly trying to poke holes in your story
13:30And lie about you
13:31I used to feel bad for Zach
13:33And now that I have seen him repeatedly enable Jen
13:38I feel like he knows better
13:39A lot of people in the group
13:40Will try to make excuses for her
13:42Like, oh, she's just like saying these things
13:45And she thinks they're true
13:46Well, that's called defamation
13:47That can really heavily ruin someone's reputation
13:50It's not okay
14:06Oh, yeah, that's like due this week
14:08I keep forgetting to do it
14:09It's been sitting there for like literally six months
14:11I think we have been so busy lately
14:14Between having a newborn and two other kids
14:16Running baby mama
14:17Coordinating things for the book tour
14:19Having the memoir come out
14:20This has just been a huge goal of mine for the last 10 years
14:23And I just can't believe it's actually happening
14:25Maybe I'll do that
14:26Like that
14:26That's very like bank signature-esque
14:29What?
14:30Now I did three E's on accident
14:31See, I'm not used to writing your last name
14:33Can't do that
14:34I'm getting some comments from the boys on my post about you
14:37That's making me question things a little bit
14:40Yeah, no, it's just making jokes
14:41They're talking about London, Jacob
14:43What does that mean?
14:46London, Jacob
14:46You better watch yourself
14:47Wow
14:50Just remember who rules
14:51I'm on the dad talk train
14:52Remember who rules this house
14:54Are you serious?
14:56All right, well two can play at that game
14:58Can they?
14:58Yep
15:01Yeah, there we go
15:02How's that?
15:03Oh gosh, it's giving me the A
15:04Because it reminds me of Jordan
15:06I feel like I'm like
15:07Why are you?
15:09Are you serious?
15:09I'm like, do you have a different font?
15:10Because he wears that one too much
15:11Jordan is Jordan
15:12But this dad talk hat does look pretty good on me though
15:16Jacob has been a little more spicy
15:18Since he got home from London
15:20And I will say I am a little annoyed
15:21That Jacob waited to tell me things
15:24Jordan told Jesse everything right away
15:25And I was like
15:26There is no bro code when you are married
15:28So I'm happy that he is making new friendships
15:30But I don't know if dad talk has the right friendships
15:33I was surprised that like
15:35I got along with Chase so much
15:36When we were out there
15:37But he's a funny dude
15:39He's witty, you know, he's like
15:40Like a typical fuckboy
15:42Yeah
15:43Yeah
15:43You literally hated him like two weeks ago
15:46No, I know
15:48We just got back from London
15:49And I'm honestly surprised
15:51That I had such a good time with all the guys
15:52It's kind of making me realize
15:53That I think I need some more bro time
15:55I don't know if Macy is going to like this though
15:57She thinks Chase is just a piece of shit
15:58And now that we're all hanging out
16:00I really want to make sure
16:01That they can kind of get past this
16:02Then I hope they can
16:03How do you feel about like
16:04Me being around Chase right now?
16:05Like you have a good reputation
16:06And I feel like it's going to be tainted
16:07By hanging out with toxic men
16:14Yeah, hey Brooks
16:15That's a lot, dude
16:16Yeah, let's take a chill pill
16:17I want to see him try to walk now
16:19That's like me and my experience
16:21Come here, bro
16:22Whoa
16:23He's actually had a
16:26Maybe don't put your face on the bark
16:28I was spinning too fast
16:30It's no secret that Chase has caused
16:34A lot of drama
16:35With the women and mom talk in the past
16:37I try to stay out of most of Chase's drama
16:40Because I value our co-parenting relationship
16:43But right now
16:45With Chase being in dad talk
16:46If he starts acting up
16:50At the villa
16:51But I was bringing up the fact
16:52That Macy obviously has her qualms with me
16:55Walk into your birthday party
16:57And she throws a fit to you
16:58Not expecting
16:59You know, our favorite person
17:01To walk in the door today
17:02I feel like if I'm good with him
17:04No
17:04No, I'm fucking pissed
17:06I've wanted to potentially
17:07Have a conversation with Macy
17:09At some point
17:10Because I love dad talk
17:12And I'm on good terms
17:12With pretty much all those dudes
17:14I want to just bury the hatchet
17:16With these girls
17:16If they will allow for it
17:18But I mean, who knows
17:19I asked Jacob
17:20And he said
17:21Well, I heard that
17:22She told me that after
17:24You know, all the things
17:24That stuff came out with Taylor
17:26On the TikTok live
17:26That you had been hitting her up
17:28In her DMs
17:28Oh
17:29And I was like, hold on
17:30And I pulled up our DMs
17:32And I said, dude
17:32This is Macy responding
17:34To my stories
17:35Three years ago
17:35And saying
17:36We should all hang out
17:37You should go play ball
17:38With Jacob
17:39He needs more friends
17:40So rewind three years ago
17:42I remember hearing
17:43From Miranda
17:45Macy told someone
17:46Like I was always
17:47In Macy's DMs
17:48And Miranda asked me
17:49Like, were you in her DMs?
17:51And I was like, no
17:52Macy was in my DMs
17:54I think I responded
17:55To one of Chase's stories
17:56Of his daughter
17:57It was just his daughter
17:58He was not in it
17:59Let's be clear
18:00And I think it was
18:01Like an emoji
18:02Like a heart eye emoji
18:03Of his daughter
18:03Or something
18:04Whatever
18:04It wasn't about you
18:05He's a freak
18:06I remember one weekend
18:08Taylor's ex-husband Tate
18:09Had booked a cabin
18:10For like 30 people
18:13So I knew that Macy and Jacob
18:14Were interested
18:15In potentially hanging out
18:15So I invited them
18:16I told them
18:17There was going to be alcohol
18:18Didn't know if they
18:19Were comfortable with that
18:20So they didn't have to come
18:21I said, okay, what?
18:23So fun
18:23I'll see if we can
18:24I'm dead
18:26I said, okay, what?
18:28So fun
18:29I'll see if we can swing it
18:32Did I give the wrong
18:33Impression right away?
18:34Is that why this is
18:35Coming up two years later?
18:37They like twisted things
18:38Because they heard
18:39A certain narrative about us
18:40And I think she took it as
18:42We were like putting feelers out
18:44To swing
18:45To swing
18:45Yeah, and then once we like
18:47Knew that they weren't down
18:48They like uninvited them
18:51So from what I know
18:52The whole cabin saga
18:56Was Taylor said
18:57That it made her kind of uncomfy
18:59That Macy and Jacob didn't drink
19:01And I think Macy took it as like
19:03Oh, I'm being uninvited
19:05Because they are getting the vibe
19:06That we're not swingers
19:07That was not the case
19:08Macy also like can sniff out toxic men
19:11So regardless
19:12Macy thinks every man's toxic
19:14And it's fucking so bad
19:14I agree, I'm not wrong
19:15That's the one thing
19:16I have to agree with
19:16I do think we should go
19:18To lunch something with Chase
19:20And have a conversation
19:21And just
19:21I don't want to have a conversation
19:22See if we can improve
19:23Just like what we know
19:24I don't want to have a conversation
19:25With him
19:26I'm good
19:27I am shocked
19:28To see Jacob come back
19:29From the villa
19:29Being like friends with Chase
19:30It is no secret
19:32That I don't like Chase
19:33I think that he's
19:34Very demeaning to women
19:35I think that he was
19:36Very demeaning and disrespectful
19:37To my friends
19:38And to me online
19:40And for that
19:41I just don't care for him
19:41Why do we need him around?
19:43He's not married to Miranda anymore
19:44So why are you here?
19:45I'm freshly postpartum
19:46I don't have time for this shit
19:48I feel you should be supportive
19:49And it doesn't mean
19:50Like you have to like
19:51Deny that
19:51Or like not think it's reality
19:53Well
19:54I'll think very
19:55Very hard about it
19:56Okay
20:12Hello
20:12How are you?
20:15This is Taylor
20:16I'm having a breast augmentation
20:18Done again
20:20I had it a few years back
20:21But I will say
20:22Just having a baby
20:23Some things
20:24I was like
20:25I'm sure I've really up here
20:26So I'm like
20:27Let's just go get a little
20:28Let's say touch up
20:29If you will
20:30All right
20:32Let's do it people
20:34I'm doing it
20:35One to feel good about myself
20:36But two
20:37For the bachelorette
20:39I think I'm about to be
20:40In a lot of dresses
20:40Which I normally
20:41If you know me
20:42I'm not in dresses
20:43So I just kind of
20:44Want to feel good in them
20:45Pocket looks good
20:46Very thin capsule
20:49Like it's very subtle
20:50So we're gonna
20:51That's why we're converting her
20:52So we gotta find her pec muscle here
20:55It's just pretty much
20:56I don't even pull it
20:58I just lay it
20:59Good job team
21:12Hi Tay
21:13Oh my gosh
21:15Are you okay?
21:16Yeah
21:16I think you're good
21:18Are you?
21:19Oh
21:20What's wrong?
21:21She listens to me
21:22It's okay
21:23Hello
21:25What's wrong?
21:26Are you okay?
21:27Yeah
21:27I'm just like sad
21:28Why?
21:30All the anesthesia meds
21:32Just kind of
21:32No
21:33This is just my freaking life
21:34Do you need me to
21:36Do anything?
21:37No it's just like my
21:37Lifelike situation
21:38It freaking sucks
21:39Like with family
21:41You know
21:43No Taylor
21:44But it's getting so much better
21:45And I think I ignore it a lot
21:48Yeah
21:49I hope it's all this
21:52I think you've come a long way
21:54And I think that it's getting better
21:57My heart hurts
21:58Like my heart
21:59It's broken
22:00It's broken
22:01You know
22:03You never loved me ever
22:06I don't care what anyone says
22:07I'm in more of an acceptance phase
22:10But maybe this is like
22:11I'll obviously get a little deeper
22:13I'm just
22:13Well of course
22:14It's hard
22:14You thought you were gonna
22:16Probably end up with Dakota
22:17That's the sad thing
22:19You're gonna be okay Taylor
22:23I know
22:42Ah
22:44Nothing like
22:45Vitamin D
22:46Yes
22:47To cure that postpartum depression
22:50Oh my gosh
22:51I love it here
22:51We're still a few weeks away
22:53From Dancing with the Stars premiere
22:56We're doing like
22:57Five hours of dancing a day
22:59And it's already super intense
23:01There's nothing like California
23:03It's nice
23:03Yeah it is nice
23:04Something's in this air
23:06I'm like
23:06There really is something in this air
23:08I've definitely been trying to
23:10Rebuild my friendship with Whitney
23:12And look past everything that's happened
23:16And make this a good experience
23:18For both of us
23:19So do you think
23:20You'll stay here for a while
23:23Regardless of Dancing with the Stars
23:25Like if I get voted off
23:26Yeah
23:26Yeah
23:27I mean I don't have plans
23:28On getting voted off
23:29But if I do
23:31Yeah
23:31We're just gonna stay here
23:33Are you nervous about the reunion?
23:35Do you think Demi's gonna be cordial?
23:36Because I think she's draining everyone
23:38I think she will
23:39I think she wants to make things right
23:41Does she?
23:43I think it's very interesting
23:44That she's reached out to everyone
23:46But me
23:46She's going to lunch with Jessie
23:48She's reached out to
23:49Macy and Michaela
23:50And I'm the only one
23:52She hasn't reached out to
23:53Do you want her to?
23:56I just would appreciate
23:57A genuine apology
23:58And I don't feel like
23:59I've gotten that from her
24:02I hate that there's
24:03This animosity
24:04Between the two of you
24:06And
24:06I know she hates my guts
24:07I don't think she hates your guts
24:09I think she's always hated me
24:10I know
24:10Literally from day one
24:12Jen's too Mormon
24:13For me
24:14Like if she's there
24:15I don't want to be there
24:16Demi
24:16Did you ever say
24:17That Jen is too Mormon?
24:19I've never said
24:20She's too Mormon
24:22I have said
24:23That you bring it up
24:24In conversation
24:25A lot
24:26Did I say
24:27That Jen is too Mormon?
24:29I did
24:29And I stand by that
24:31From day one
24:32Listen Jen
24:33I get that
24:33Yeah
24:34But there has to be
24:34A point where we move on
24:36I think that you guys
24:37Are
24:37Both can be right
24:39And I think
24:40That's the problem
24:41Is both of your feelings
24:42Are valid
24:43But the problem is
24:44Is like
24:44It's accepting it
24:46Yeah
24:46It's like
24:46You guys both
24:47Can't accept that
24:48Jen
24:49You accepted that
24:50Apology at the kumbaya
24:52You said that
24:53You were going to
24:53Work on moving on
24:54And bringing it up
24:56Again
24:56Is just going to
24:57Put mom talk
24:57A whole step back
24:59So I'm starting
25:00To feel a little bit
25:01Worried about
25:01What's going to
25:02Happen at the reunion
25:03I trust vibes
25:05Over words
25:06Yeah
25:06And there has never
25:07Been a feeling
25:09Of true sincerity
25:11On her end
25:11I've never felt that
25:12I also think
25:13That so much
25:14Has happened
25:15In mom talk
25:16The past few years
25:18I just want it
25:19To be a safe place
25:20For everyone
25:20And to be honest
25:21I don't feel like
25:22It's a safe place
25:23For me
25:23When Demi is there
25:42Thank you so much
25:45We're going to get
25:46Wasted
25:47Ooh
25:48Day drinking
25:50Hello
25:53What's up guys
25:55How are you
25:56Did you miss me?
25:57Yes
25:58How's everything
25:59It's been going
25:59It's been great
26:01The reunion's coming up
26:03And I genuinely
26:04Don't know
26:04What's going to happen
26:05And I feel like
26:06I need to talk
26:06To the girls
26:07About Demi
26:07She's not being
26:08The same person
26:09Off camera
26:10That she is on
26:10So if they feel
26:12That energy from her
26:13Hopefully they'll speak up
26:14Are you guys nervous
26:15For the reunion?
26:16No
26:17Really?
26:18I just feel like
26:18Reunion's always
26:19Inevitably
26:19Bring things up
26:20Stir shut up
26:21I bet you are
26:22Because Demi
26:23Yeah I'm a little nervous
26:24I'm more so nervous now
26:26Because we did a session
26:27With Gabby
26:28And it was the weirdest
26:29Thing you guys
26:29Off camera we'd had
26:30Discussions about like
26:31She kind of admitted
26:32That she leaned into
26:33The Marciano stuff too much
26:34It looked really bad
26:36And she shouldn't have done it
26:37Oh wait what
26:37She admitted?
26:38Kind of like she did
26:39In Italy
26:40When she was like
26:40I played into it too much
26:41Because on camera
26:42She doubles down
26:43But behind the scenes
26:44She did admit that
26:45Right
26:45So we finally get to a place
26:46Where we do start talking
26:48About the Marciano of it all
26:49And she like
26:49Completely plays victim again
26:52And is like
26:53He did this and this
26:54And I'm like
26:56Okay
26:56Like it's just so different
26:57From like
26:58The conversations
26:58I've had with her
26:59Off camera
27:00So Gabby has read Demi
27:01Alone before
27:02Right
27:03And she has picked up
27:04On patterns Demi
27:05Has in her past
27:05So she looks at Demi
27:07And she's like
27:07Demi there's patterns
27:08You have
27:08And I'm trying to help
27:09You out of those patterns
27:10And Demi was like
27:11What patterns?
27:12So she was like
27:12You know the stuff
27:13We've talked about
27:14And Demi's like
27:14Like what
27:15You can say it
27:15And so Gabby
27:16Finally goes
27:17You're emotional cheating
27:18This Marciano thing
27:20The pattern that I'm feeling
27:21May be emotional cheating
27:24And Demi goes
27:25Oh yeah
27:25You're right
27:28And she goes
27:29I have had a past
27:29Of emotional cheating
27:30There's been multiple
27:31Situations in the past
27:32Where it was that
27:33Like I felt like
27:34I was developing feelings
27:36But not with Marciano
27:38Everyone else but him
27:39In this situation
27:40It was not that
27:41I wasn't even
27:42Physically attracted to him
27:43And I'm like
27:44We were so close
27:45And then it was like
27:46We were so close
27:48Demi's very good
27:50At manipulating
27:52She's very good
27:53At talking
27:54But I was the
27:55Pathological liar
27:56Exactly
27:57But that's what
27:58They do right
27:58But after the guys
28:01Going on the trip
28:03To London
28:03And now hearing
28:05This from Jesse
28:06Just shows that
28:07I've been right
28:08This whole time
28:08I think it's because
28:09Like he's so gross
28:10That she like
28:11Doesn't her ego
28:11Yeah
28:12But you did that
28:14It was just so
28:15Disingenuine
28:16From like the Demi
28:17I had seen
28:18Trying to mend
28:18All these fences
28:19And like get back
28:20But it's not genuine
28:21That's the thing
28:22She mends it
28:22For her own agenda
28:24It was just to save
28:26Her image
28:26Yeah
28:26She doesn't care
28:27About the relationships
28:28Here
28:29I feel like Jesse
28:30Was trying to
28:30Give Demi grace
28:32In this situation
28:32And kind of
28:33Give her a second chance
28:34And yet again
28:35Demi's proving
28:35That she can't be trusted
28:36And you can't believe
28:38A single thing
28:38That comes out of her mouth
28:39The crazy part is
28:40To me is that
28:41I'm like
28:41If you would just
28:42Be authentic
28:43To what actually happened
28:45Like the mistakes
28:45You've actually made
28:46Yes
28:47It would be so much
28:48Better for you
28:49Trust me
28:49It feels so much better
28:50Yes
28:50You would know
28:51Well not to be like
28:52The mom talk police
28:53But I do feel like
28:54People resonate with us
28:55Though because
28:55We all make mistakes
28:56Nobody's perfect
28:57And I feel like
28:58We're all kind of
28:59Open about it
28:59And I don't feel like
29:00Demi is doing that anymore
29:03I feel like she was
29:04We all were
29:05In the beginning
29:05We kind of all
29:06Lost the plot
29:07I think for a second
29:08We didn't lose the plot
29:09We lost the foundation
29:10What do we do
29:11Because if she's in the group
29:12Now like she's back
29:13I think we try to see
29:14How she operates
29:15At the reunion
29:16And how she handles it
29:17And if she chooses
29:18To come in
29:18And be authentic
29:20And I think we'll see
29:21I'm nervous
29:22How a child could be the one
29:24To save your dreams
29:26I love my friends
29:32I love my friends
29:34Living that sunshine
29:37Good life
29:38Again and again
29:39I love my friends
29:41I love my friends
29:44It's the bestness every day
29:47Never wanted to
29:48It's hard to walk
29:49I know it is
29:50I feel like I'm doing
29:52Marciano 2.0
29:53Today me, Jacob
29:55And Michaela
29:55Are going to meet up
29:57With Chase
29:57I am very reluctant
29:59To do so
29:59However
30:00Jacob is trying to get me
30:02To be open minded
30:02To it
30:03Because I think
30:04Maybe it will help
30:04Things feel less contentious
30:06For him
30:06Making friends
30:07With the guys
30:08And what not
30:08And maybe he'll feel
30:09More at peace
30:10With everything
30:11What's going on man
30:12Oh what's up
30:14Good to see you
30:15And I asked Michaela
30:17To come
30:17Because whatever issues
30:18I'm going to have
30:19With Chase
30:19She will too
30:20So I think like
30:21Having her there
30:22Not only is it backup
30:23But you might as well
30:24Two birds
30:25One stone
30:26Be done with it
30:27Michaela decided
30:28To come join us
30:28Yeah
30:30If you're trying
30:31To clear anything up
30:32With the men
30:33I think it's obviously
30:34A job for
30:34What are we called?
30:35Are we Eminem Incorporated?
30:37It's time to go
30:38Full FBI
30:39On this bitch
30:39Full FBI
30:41I think it's
30:42What we do best
30:44Thanks for setting
30:45This up dude
30:46Yeah
30:46I appreciate you guys
30:48Coming
30:48It's obviously
30:49A little awkward
30:49Because I think
30:50Yeah
30:50Because you've talked
30:51Shit on us
30:51Online for years
30:54Yeah
30:54Without knowing us
30:55I don't think it's
30:56I don't think
30:56It's one sided
30:57But
30:58I haven't
31:00I've talked shit
31:00Offline
31:01I don't have a podcast
31:02About you
31:03That's different
31:04Tomato, tomato
31:06Any animosity
31:07That we have
31:07That I've contributed
31:08To by way of the podcast
31:10I do think that was
31:11In poor taste
31:13He was doing it for clicks
31:15Totally was for clicks
31:16Like the whole point of it
31:17Was to just be a dick
31:18And honestly piss off
31:19The people that
31:20Like we were talking about
31:21Is that money, Jacob?
31:24I look back on it now
31:26And I'm like
31:26Look, I actually
31:27Think it was stupid
31:28I said some main things
31:29Do you guys know Macy?
31:30I think people kind of pity her
31:32Free mom talk
31:32Her thing that got her
31:34Her followers was
31:35She had a baby daddy
31:36Who died in a car accident
31:38Yeah
31:39I ain't gonna touch this one
31:41And maybe
31:42Not weed
31:43You cannot air this
31:45And
31:46Bad luck
31:47Shouldn't have said it
31:48Super stupid
31:49Wish I wouldn't have
31:50So I'm sorry
31:52I think it's been
31:53A long four years
31:54Of Macy not liking Chase
31:55And rightfully so
31:57But I think
31:57There is a good guy in there
31:58Chase has remorse
31:59He's taking accountability
32:00And I think we really
32:01Did label him
32:02And threw him in this bucket
32:02Of this evil dude
32:04Who's just swinging
32:05When we get other people
32:06To swing with him
32:06Yeah, I think
32:08I'm protective
32:09Over my friends
32:10Like, well
32:11You're talking shit on Layla
32:12Saying she's bad in bed
32:12That obviously really hurt her
32:14Like she was
32:14I think she was like crying
32:15And then like
32:16Stuff with Taylor
32:16From the past
32:17Has made me mad
32:18Totally
32:19That's why I've had
32:20A harder time with you
32:21Yeah
32:21I just wanted to bring up
32:22Because I did hear something
32:23Is it true that you
32:24At one point heard
32:25That I was like
32:26DMing you
32:28In a way that like
32:29Maybe seemed like
32:30I was flirting
32:31Was that an initiation
32:32To swing?
32:33It wasn't
32:34No, I know
32:34That's what it looks like
32:35Because
32:37I remember that
32:38Specific cabin
32:39It wasn't just like
32:39A freaking
32:40Hedonistic orgy
32:41Every time we went to these
32:42That was like twice
32:44You guys were just
32:45Drinking parties
32:45Jacob, whose sign are you on?
32:47Um
32:49We still got the sides
32:50Me and Macy
32:51Are trying to be
32:51The best people we can
32:53It's taught in the Book of Mormon
32:54It's taught in the Bible
32:55To show forgiveness
32:56And I think this is
32:57One of those times
32:57Where Macy needs to do that
32:59So that mom talk
32:59And dad talk
33:00Can both coexist together
33:01In peace and harmony
33:03I'm in between
33:04But I did take a few steps back
33:05Because when it comes
33:06To our perspective
33:06Of this whole thing
33:07You reaching out to Macy
33:09And then your wife saying
33:11Oh wait, Macy's not invited
33:12And then like
33:14The swinging stuff coming out
33:15Yeah
33:15So we see all those things together
33:16And we're like
33:17Ah
33:18Like
33:18Totally bad optics
33:20Well I feel like
33:21You can't help yourself sometimes
33:23And I'm like
33:23Well and you were very demeaning
33:25To all the girls online
33:27For like years
33:28So you have
33:29The perception is that
33:30You don't treat women well
33:31They're well documented
33:32That I am an idiot
33:33There's no hiding that
33:34I will say Chase did
33:35Take accountability
33:36For his actions
33:37I just hope that Chase continues
33:39To be on a better track
33:42If Jacob's going to be friends with him
33:43Am I making any headway
33:45Or no?
33:46I don't
33:46It's hard to say
33:47I mean
33:47I guess it's
33:48I guess it's the behavior
33:50In the future
33:51It's like I can't say
33:52I hope this is the last time
33:53I ever have to say sorry
33:54I'm very big on timing
33:56And I feel like Chase
33:57Is coming into the group
33:58Ready to apologize
33:59Now that cameras are up
34:00I think if you're actually sorry
34:02You're going to do it off camera
34:03And he had years to do it
34:05His apology
34:05Clearly isn't genuine
34:07He wants the clout
34:08I think that's just a grudge
34:09That I'm going to hold
34:09I'm not going to say mean things
34:11About women
34:11Okay, good
34:13Very pro women
34:14That must be hard
34:16Damn
34:34Today is the reunion
34:39Reunions can be very hard
34:41Because you're seeing scenes
34:42That you haven't seen before
34:43Maybe you're hearing things
34:45That you've never heard before
34:46For the first time
34:48They can really make
34:49Every positive thing
34:51Just immediately go up in flames
34:53We've seen it before
34:54We are supposed to talk
34:55About our true feelings
34:56So I think it is inevitable
34:57That something's going to blow up
34:59Play nice
35:00Please, we had a kumbaya
35:08Dear Heavenly Father
35:10We want to thank Thee
35:11For the opportunity
35:12We have to come together today
35:14We pray that we can have
35:15The strength to
35:16Stand by our own principles
35:18And our own values
35:19As well as
35:19Listen to those
35:20Who may have differing opinions
35:22And we say these things
35:23In the name of Jesus Christ
35:23Amen
35:24Amen
35:24At the end of last season
35:26MomTalk had a kumbaya
35:30We wanted to put all the drama
35:32Behind us
35:33I don't think everything
35:34Was resolved there
35:35Necessarily
35:36I think there's
35:36A lot of underlying issues
35:38That maybe some of them have
35:40So I will say
35:41The reunion definitely
35:42Is resurfacing
35:45That's
35:46To me, I've seen enough
35:47Did you see anything happen
35:50Off camera?
35:50No, I didn't
35:51Why are you fucking saying a word?
35:53She's made my life
35:54A living hell
35:55You've done nothing
35:56You bullied me
35:58How do you feel about
35:59Your wife texting the word
36:01Come to another man?
36:02How do you feel about that?
36:03It's just like
36:03Oh, here we go again
36:04What the fuck is wrong with you?
36:06What the actual fuck
36:07Is wrong with your brain?
36:11There you go, Demi
36:12Your true colors
36:12Have come back out
36:14Her screaming at Jen
36:15On stage
36:16Calling her names
36:17It was like
36:18She had a mask on
36:18And it started to slip
36:19A little bit
36:20And her anger
36:20Started showing
36:21And this is the Demi I know
36:23So there's so many
36:24Unanswered questions
36:25That I'm like
36:25Can we just get to
36:26The bottom of it?
36:26It's like muddied
36:27Because of this stupid
36:29Fucking asshole
36:30That's lied
36:30And sorry
36:32But Jen
36:32Who's lied
36:33And put all these things
36:34In your head
36:35That never happened
36:35Okay
36:36I've been called
36:37Everything in the book
36:39By Demi
36:39Including being
36:40A pathological liar
36:42And I'm tired of her
36:43Deflecting
36:43In reality
36:44That has been her
36:45The whole time
36:46No one's fucking
36:48Believing Marciano
36:48No
36:49That's the problem
36:50That's why it's so
36:51Like hard
36:51Because it's like
36:52Okay
36:53Yeah
36:53Who's saying
36:54This happened
36:55Or this didn't happen
36:55But it doesn't really
36:56Hold a whole lot of weight
36:57I've heard things to me
36:58And I'm not gonna believe
36:59Anything until I
37:00That's fine Jessie
37:00But you don't need
37:01To be pompous about it
37:02I'm
37:03I'm sorry
37:03You were just yelling
37:04At my friend
37:05And saying the most
37:05Aggressive cruel thing
37:07You know what
37:07She's done to me
37:08She sat there
37:09Literally in the same sentence
37:10And said something
37:12You hate me
37:12Because I'm sharing the truth
37:13You hate me
37:13Because I was the only one
37:14That called you out
37:16When everyone was
37:16Bowing down to you
37:17That's why
37:17No
37:18You can't look at yourself
37:19In the mirror
37:20I already have
37:21What do you think
37:22I've done
37:22You're not doing it
37:23Clearly you're not
37:24You're deflecting stuff
37:24I'm talking about Marciano
37:26You're still doing it
37:27This whole time
37:28I definitely feel
37:29Empowered to
37:30Call Demi out
37:31Someone needs to
37:32Make her accountable
37:33Because she's done that
37:34To everyone else
37:35In the group
37:35And so
37:36I'm gonna be that person
37:38Did you not watch yourself
37:39In season three
37:39You have to back up
37:40Your plane
37:41You look guilty AF
37:41Oh good
37:42I look guilty
37:43The fact of the matter
37:44Is you don't have proof
37:45Of the things you're saying
37:46Which makes it
37:47Okay
37:47A lie
37:47Because I lived it
37:49And I know the truth
38:18Okay I don't have proof
38:19Yes and that was a response
38:21To me of like
38:21Cover this up
38:22Shut everyone up
38:23I don't want to talk
38:24About this
38:26The biggest problem
38:27I think I have
38:28With everybody
38:28Is the knee jerk reaction
38:31To Demi
38:32Saying that she was a victim
38:33Was to not believe her
38:34You would feel comfortable
38:35Sending to another woman
38:37That you're swallowing cum
38:39I'm not wired like you bud
38:41You should rewire yourself
38:42Oh yeah
38:43That's disturbing
38:44Okay
38:44Alright little guy
38:45Holy shit
38:47Brett is an old grandpa
38:49That needs to get sent
38:50To the old folks home
38:51We were in London
38:52Last week with Marciano
38:53He stared us
38:54Straight in the eyes
38:55And told us the truth
38:56Of everything
38:57Of Jesse
38:57Of him and Jesse
38:59Of him and Demi
38:59He still claims this day
39:02On camera
39:03That he kissed Demi
39:05Marciano said that
39:06Demi was sitting
39:07In a hot tub
39:08With him alone
39:08Or they were out talking
39:09We went and talked
39:10To Marciano
39:11For an hour
39:11Three hours of the day
39:12I've seen every ounce
39:14Of the footage
39:14So I think
39:16When the women
39:16Are doubting her
39:19Um
39:19I think they've got
39:21Very good reasons
39:22From our perspective
39:23Can you see why
39:24We think the things we do
39:25Because it's hard
39:25To understand the story
39:26So if you have
39:27A different story
39:28I'm open to hearing it
39:29I know the truth
39:30Can you tell us
39:32And that matters
39:32Can we agree
39:33That she was like
39:34Flirting and having
39:35Long conversations
39:35And like building
39:36A relationship with
39:37The guy that she just met
39:38She wasn't building
39:39A relationship with him
39:40She talked about
39:41You guys' marriage
39:42Didn't she
39:43Yeah I mean
39:44She was talking to him
39:46I'll let her explain
39:47All the nuances around it
39:48I understand
39:48It's the Lulu land
39:50Dude
39:50You guys live
39:51In a different universe
39:53I had no idea
39:54That pathological lying
39:56Was contagious
39:57But I guess it is
39:58Bro I don't even know
39:59Why you're here
39:59Just walk away
40:01Everyone's being nice to you
40:03People just talk shit
40:04Behind your back
40:04Because you're a shitty person
40:06Hey the feeling's mutual
40:07Dipshit
40:08Just so you know
40:08Good
40:09And it's so hard
40:09To take you seriously
40:10With your little munchkin voice
40:11Oh nice bro
40:12You're a big guy
40:13I think that's a little steep
40:14And I don't think
40:15Anything good is gonna come
40:16From talking like that
40:20If you heard about this
40:21And you heard that
40:22From Marciano
40:22Was gonna come on to
40:23Podcast
40:24And then his show
40:26And air out Jesse
40:27And what happened there
40:28I'm just confused
40:29Why wouldn't you go to Jesse
40:30My immediate reaction was
40:32I don't fucking care
40:33What's happened
40:34Between me and Jesse
40:35I am putting up
40:36A white flag
40:37And I'm finding a way
40:38To contact her
40:39Because you had me
40:39Locked on everything
40:40But you didn't
40:40You could have gotten
40:41Through me
40:42And Marciano said
40:43Don't you fucking dare
40:44So then I got scared again
40:45And I was like shit
40:46What?
40:47This is a trauma response
40:48And it's so stupid
40:49But it really was
40:50As simple as me
40:51Not wanting to be
40:52Viewed as a victim
40:53Like period
40:54I mean I don't want
40:55To take away
40:56From the ass grab
40:56Because obviously
40:57In no way
40:58Is that okay
40:59Which by the way
40:59It was not just
41:00Like an ass grab
41:01I was in short shorts
41:02He grabbed
41:03This is gonna go
41:03Circles though
41:04For round and round
41:05And round and round
41:06And round
41:06And we're never
41:07Going to come to a conclusion
41:07I think at this point too
41:09Everybody needs to be okay
41:10With the fact that
41:11We're never going
41:11To come to a conclusion
41:12Because I can sit here
41:13And say
41:14If that truly happened to you
41:15I'm really sorry for that
41:18All of us in MomTalk
41:19It's like we want
41:19Obviously to believe you
41:20We want to like
41:21See eye to eye
41:22But like
41:23Nothing adds up
41:24And it just doesn't make sense
41:25And so I do feel for Demi
41:26Because it's like
41:27Yeah you're in this situation
41:28Where all these voices
41:29Are coming at you
41:30But she has to expect it
41:31If she's gonna keep
41:32Defending it over
41:33And over and over
41:33I think she wants to
41:34Prove herself so bad
41:36But in turn
41:36I feel like it only
41:37Makes her look more guilty
41:38I didn't do what he did to me
41:41And I didn't ask for that
41:42And I didn't deserve that
41:43Right
41:43However moving forward
41:45Like shit Demi
41:46Like you probably
41:47Should have been
41:48More careful
41:49And been more cautious
41:50And that sucks
41:51Especially when you've
41:51Been in that situation
41:53And it like
41:54Brings up old stuff
41:55Like then you start
41:57Really blaming yourself
41:58For like what they do
41:59At this point
42:00Like it's more painful
42:02To not be believed
42:03Than to say
42:04Or have to go over it
42:05Over and over and over
42:07And feel the pain
42:08Of past things
42:09Than to just say
42:10Fuck yeah
42:11Yeah we kissed
42:12Fuck yeah
42:12This happened
42:13I'd rather
42:14Something fucking
42:15Happened at this point
42:16Because this sucks
42:17Way worse
42:18And like every time
42:19I talk
42:20You're taking yourself
42:21Out of a hole
42:21You're doing this
42:22I'd rather fucking
42:24Something happen
42:25At this point
42:25Because it's excruciating
42:28I think that
42:30The lack of accountability
42:31The lack of transparency
42:33The lack of sensitivity
42:34On Demi's end
42:36Has made it
42:36Very difficult
42:37For all of us
42:38To give the grace
42:40That I think
42:40That she
42:42Believes she is owed
42:43But I think
42:44All of us girls
42:44As a whole
42:45Would have been
42:46A lot more open
42:47Had we had
42:49That transparency
42:49From the beginning
42:52Don't feel like
42:52You have to go out there
42:53No I feel like
42:54I have to for me
42:55Okay for you
42:56Then let's fucking do it
42:57Let's do it
42:58I want you to really
42:59Feel like
43:00You're up to it
43:01Every part of me
43:02Wants to run
43:02And I'm like
43:03No you're gonna stay
43:05Like you deserve
43:06To be here
43:06And like
43:07You're not gonna
43:08Let them win
43:10She's smart
43:10She's calculated
43:11She knew the fuck
43:12What the fuck
43:12She was doing
43:13And I'm sorry
43:14But I won't be friends
43:15With her anymore
43:15Like I've been seeing
43:16This behavior
43:17For a long time
43:17And I'm done
43:28Inside of the corner
43:28Got bed
43:29Huh
43:29About to go all out
43:31All out
43:32Give them all
43:32A hundred percent
43:36Thank you so much
43:38For being here
43:39Oh my god
43:40After filming the reunion
43:42All day yesterday
43:42I am still in Utah
43:43And today's my first
43:45Meet and greet
43:46For act as campaign
43:47I am the face
43:48Of their core collection
43:49Hey
43:50Ready
43:50One, two, three
43:52Cheese
43:52Hey cutie
43:53You come up here
43:54In front
43:54And right after
43:55We're having an
43:56Influencer dinner
43:56With influencers in Utah
43:58And all of mom talk
43:59There to support me
44:00Are you going to
44:01Whitney's event tonight?
44:03Yeah I said I would
44:04Just
44:04You're gonna be supportive
44:06I said that I would go too
44:08Are you?
44:08Yeah
44:08Okay
44:09I'm surprised you're going
44:10To an event for Whitney
44:11I get pretty close
44:12Just kidding
44:13Oh
44:13True
44:14But I feel like we had
44:15A good moment yesterday
44:16Just after everything
44:17I think trauma dumping
44:19Really just bonds people
44:20People yeah
44:21How does it feel
44:22Hearing Jay say
44:24Not having intimacy
44:25Is an issue for him?
44:26It's like I feel guilty
44:27That I can't show up for him
44:29When he's so amazing to me
44:30Whitney
44:31How does that make you feel?
44:32It's just a horrible thing
44:34That I think anyone
44:34Has to go through
44:36Being sexually abused
44:39I feel like it's just
44:40Confusing still with her
44:41She's very confusing to me
44:43Yeah
44:43No I get that
44:44Cause she still
44:45She still doesn't get it
44:46Like yesterday I could tell
44:47You still don't get it
44:48I mean like I
44:48I don't know if she ever will though
44:49And it's at the point
44:50Where you kind of
44:50Like that's Whitney
44:51It's hard
44:52You can be this or that
44:54You are a different brain
44:56Magnetic superfly
44:58You're who they want to be
45:00If the strangest things
45:02Can make you fall in love
45:04I think you're just like me
45:05I think you look like fun
45:07You look like fun
45:09You look like fun
45:11You look like fun
45:13You look like fun
45:17Hi
45:18Gosh
45:19Stop stop spin
45:21Yes
45:21I can't spin too much
45:23Or I might flash someone's
45:24Thank you
45:26Thank you guys so much
45:29Everything's just been like
45:30Perfect
45:31Like I'm so grateful
45:33We'll see how tonight goes
45:35Yeah
45:35Yeah
45:36It will be good
45:37Good
45:37We're manifesting good
45:39Okay
45:39The reunion was literally yesterday
45:42So I'm sure everyone is still feeling
45:44Those heightened emotions right now
45:45So them taking time out of their day
45:48To come to this event
45:49That's in support of me
45:51It means a lot to me
45:52It just reminds me more than ever
45:54How important these friendships are
46:00I'm still processing everything that happened yesterday
46:04At the reunion
46:04But I'm choosing to stay here
46:07To support Whitney
46:08Even if it means running into Domedian
46:11No time to be taking it
46:12No time to be taking it
46:14Slow, slow, slow, slow
46:21Hi
46:22How are you feeling after today?
46:25So tired
46:26I know
46:27So gasped
46:28Like my body's all exhausted
46:29No, my body's so tired
46:31I'm curious like what your thoughts are on it
46:33It was a shit show
46:35Yeah, that's how I felt about it
46:36With Damien
46:37Like it is what it is
46:38I felt for so many people during that reunion
46:41But yeah, no, she's not
46:43It's probably the worst I've ever seen her
46:44Yeah
46:45I'm sorry did you try to tell me
46:47That I couldn't own it
46:48I run this thing like I was high
46:50I don't see her
46:51I'm rising
46:51Thank you so much
46:52Thank you guys for coming
46:53Yeah
46:54I'm just going to show up
46:55Yesterday was insane
46:56Stop
46:56Of course they're all coming
46:57Congrats
47:02How are you?
47:03I'm good
47:04How are you?
47:05Yesterday was like heavy
47:06How are you feeling after?
47:06I felt like it was a very good closer
47:08Like a closer
47:09Good
47:09Wait, that's actually really good
47:10Like I think I would have like normally been like very emotional
47:13I think I was just like this is bullshit
47:14This is done
47:15Boom
47:15Good
47:16Good
47:16I know
47:17He's really happy
47:18I crashed out for two days
47:19Had the reunion
47:19I'm good
47:20Last night Taylor and Dakota got very heated
47:22Please Taylor
47:23For the love of God
47:25Stay away from this man
47:26Keep going
47:26Go ahead with your lies
47:28Lies?
47:28I had this perception when I first met you
47:30Like red flag, red flag
47:32I do not like you
47:33I can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth
47:36Because it's all bullshit, dude
47:37She's about to go to the bachelorette
47:39And I'm hopeful that she can, you know, put her brain on right
47:42But we all know she has the biggest weak spot for that man
47:45How was it for you?
47:47Um, I feel like I left feeling like a little frustrated
47:49Because I feel like we didn't even get to like talk about a lot of things
47:52And there was some things I wanted to like say
47:54Like what?
47:55Well, she stood to me
47:56She's not even here
47:57What do you mean she's not here?
47:59She's not coming
48:02Isn't this Whitney's thing?
48:05Well, that's what we're talking about
48:06Because I'm like, it's hypocritical
48:07Considering how much shit Whitney got for not going to Macy's thing
48:10But she just said last night
48:11I'll see you tomorrow
48:11You're coming, right?
48:12I was like, yeah
48:12I heard she wasn't coming
48:15She told Whitney
48:16She's not doing well mentally right now
48:18She's like crashing out
48:22That's her
48:23It's just her best friend
48:25I will say
48:26I feel like these events are kind of like what MomTalk is here for each other
48:31Is to support each other at these events
48:32And I feel like when one gets to like hide when they want
48:36That's not right
48:37It's not okay
48:38It's not how you work with other people as a team player
48:40I'm like, girl
48:42You're not helping yourself at all
48:58Has anyone talked to Demi since the reunion?
49:00Not since the reunion
49:02This is so sick
49:04Thank you
49:05Good to see you
49:06Hi
49:08There you go
49:09Time to go
49:10They're quite literally dancing on Dancing with the Stars
49:14Wait, why did they let Demi in it and she quit the show?
49:16Okay, wait, question
49:17Are you gonna tell me yet?
49:18Like why you're not filming yet anymore?
49:21Hello
49:22Hello
49:23Hi
49:23Taylor has a guy on his way over
49:26Holy shit, you're tall
49:27Hey, what up?
49:29That's my bachelorette
49:30My heart is racing
49:32I feel like I'm gonna get in a fight tonight or something
49:40Seasons are changing
49:42That time keeps rearranging
49:45Casting a shadow in each corner
49:49I'm overboard, all sexy, baby
49:53Oh, what's the point in waiting?
49:56I'm going down anyway
49:58I'm in too deep, my love
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