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16:37C'est intéressant que je vis cette longue,

16:38...

16:40C'est pas froid.

16:43Merci beaucoup.

16:46J'ai beaucoup vuais.

16:46C'est un peu.

16:47Non, mais vous voyez ici que...

16:51Oh, je me suis-je...

16:52...la spots qui...

16:55...en fait du...

16:55Mon-yse et beaucoup de chais dans Montauk

16:59... pour avoir fait des seins de taPoint de�otoir.

17:00Mais je prends des showers et je me déjus

17:03des feux de la tête fallout.

17:05et la hauteur de l'extensione,

17:07ça fait que la hauteur de l'extensione est rippant.

17:08Mais je n'ai pas l'option de ne pas wearer l'extensione.

17:11C'est ça ou je vais commencer à l'air,

17:13parce que c'est ça.

17:14Quand ça a l'air, je veux Jessie,

17:16mais le fait que ma hauteur est seulement

17:19qui se passe où les extensions sont en,

17:21je pense qu'ils sont rippant.

17:22Vous avez un autre textur de hauteur

17:24que les 1000s de girls que je travaille avec.

17:27Elle est probablement pas

17:28à l'auteur de votre hauteur.

17:32Oui, Miranda et Brie

17:33je pense que j'ai besoin de trouver un hairstyliste

17:36que c'est better suited

17:36à mon ethnique.

17:38Mais Jessie, j'ai tellement sur la plate

17:40avec tout ce qui se passe avec Jordan.

17:42Je ne veux pas ajouter une autre chose,

17:43surtout après ce qui s'est passé avec Demi.

17:46Qu'est-ce que vous pensez que c'est fake de moi ?

17:47Elle ne pense pas que vous avez pas à la hauteur.

17:49Elle ne dit pas pas à la hauteur.

17:50Je ne pense pas à la hauteur.

17:50Je ne pense pas à la hauteur de la hauteur.

17:53Je pense que vous pensez à la hauteur

17:59avant de aller ou juste

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20:01Ah!

20:02Hi!

20:03Hey!

20:03How are you, guys?

20:05Hello!

20:07Hello!

20:07I'm definitely feeling hesitant about reuniting with MomTalk.

20:12Aside from Taylor, I haven't really talked to the other girls.

20:17And to be honest, coming back, I just want to feel understood.

20:21Hello!

20:22Hi!

20:23Hello!

20:24Oh, my gosh, how are you?

20:26How are you doing?

20:27This is amazing.

20:27I know, I'm so happy to be here.

20:29It's too bad it's snowing in April.

20:32I'm sorry.

20:33I'm going back to Arizona.

20:35So are you guys here for a while?

20:38Yes!

20:38So I think we're going to have the baby here.

20:40Really?

20:41Yeah!

20:42So we can get some extra help.

20:44We have so much coming up, too.

20:46I'm ready to, like, not just do therapy every day.

20:50I'm definitely excited to see the girls again.

20:52But I'm still kind of scarred from everything that happened with Demi and Jessie.

20:57Do you want me to talk?

20:59Oh, yeah.

20:59Yeah, sure.

21:01I feel like Jessie spent so much time calling me a liar, yet here you were lying the whole

21:08time about Marciano.

21:10I have a lot of questions.

21:12And hopefully, she can give me an apology.

21:16Okay.

21:16We haven't talked.

21:18Yeah.

21:18In a minute.

21:28We haven't talked.

21:29Yeah.

21:30In a minute.

21:30And I know the last time we talked, it was kind of weird.

21:33For your husband to rub his little dick on me.

21:36He didn't rub his dick on me.

21:38I look back at that and I'm, like, so embarrassed.

21:40Yeah.

21:41Did some crazy stuff.

21:42Yeah.

21:43That's okay.

21:43It's okay.

21:44Well, first off, I'll start by saying that I apologize for how I treated you in Vegas

21:47last year.

21:48Because looking back, that was 100% projection on what I was going through in my marriage.

21:52And I saw Zach doing it to you and I was, like, triggered because it happened to me.

21:57Jordan was doing that.

21:58Yes.

21:59Jordan's been, like, emotionally abusive for a lot of my marriage.

22:01And it got to the point where I just was broken and I did what I did because of that.

22:07And it's not okay and I've taken full accountability.

22:09I will never condone what I did.

22:12But I do feel like it was a cry for help at the time of, like, just not knowing how

22:16to

22:16handle what I was in.

22:17And it was, like, a way to get out, like, subconsciously.

22:20But it's been hard.

22:21Even though I'm frustrated about the past, seeing how hurt she is has made me feel a

22:28lot less defensive.

22:30All I can feel is empathy for her and just wanting to be there for her like we used to

22:35do for each other in the past.

22:37I think the thing that's hurting me the most is Chippendale's party.

22:42It almost felt like, why is everyone trying to break my marriage?

22:45So we just thought it was kind of, like, a funny little thing because you guys said you

22:48were doing so much better.

22:49I guess what made me confused was I started to question specifically Demi going so hard

22:56at me and to get the whole group to go against me.

22:59Yeah.

23:00Did it have more to do with what she was hiding?

23:03That's exactly what she was doing because she's doing it to me now.

23:05So I met with Marciano.

23:06He said that she did kiss him in Italy behind the scenes.

23:09I literally called it.

23:11Yeah.

23:12In the villa, Demi was flirtatious with Marciano.

23:16I mean, she was literally right next to him, like grabbing his hands, like googly eyes,

23:22bringing this energy of Mormons Gone Wild.

23:26It made me uncomfortable.

23:27She knew that this could be brought up.

23:30So what did she do?

23:31She bullied me and she got the whole group to turn against me.

23:34And then she did it to Taylor.

23:36And now she's doing it to Jessie.

23:38What happened last year is like frustrating, but I'm not going to do what I feel like the

23:43rest of the group did to me when I was going through.

23:45And if that means you're walking away from Jordan, then like we fully support you.

23:49Thank you.

23:50Absolutely.

23:50I wish I would have done the same for you.

23:53I'm relieved now that Jessie and I are in a better place.

23:57Hopefully we can move forward with a more authentic, real friendship.

24:02Well, I love you.

24:03Thank you so much for everything.

24:05I'm both going through it.

24:07Should I go find the girls?

24:08Yes.

24:08I think they went out there.

24:09I saw them walk out there.

24:15What do you guys think they're talking about at dad talk tonight?

24:18Because I don't even know what they're doing, but I know they're all together.

24:20I think Jordan's upset because Marciano came to dinner with us.

24:24Right.

24:25I'm sure that Dakota's validating Jordan and Jason Jacob are probably being quiet, but Jordan

24:29and Dakota are just sucking each other's dicks.

24:31Oh, ew.

24:37Don't waste my time.

24:38Don't waste my time.

24:39Cause I got places to be.

24:40Don't waste my time.

24:42Don't waste my time.

24:43Cause I got people to stay.

24:44Don't waste my time.

24:46Don't waste my time.

24:47Don't waste my time.

24:47What's up?

24:48What's up, Zach?

24:49What's up, boys?

24:50Dude, how are you doing?

24:51I'm just glad you're not in a white shirt.

24:53I know.

24:53Oh, that's cute.

24:54That means Zach's-

24:55You call me a Dakota lovers, but look at these two.

24:57We're in the garments.

24:58That means Zach-

24:59That means Zach's a sinner too.

25:01I wanted to invite the guys over to have a meeting because it makes me feel crazy that

25:06there was so much defensiveness on Jesse's end and Zach and Jen have been through

25:10the ringer.

25:11So it's been really nice to have someone else in the group that's kind of gone through

25:15it and have his support.

25:17I don't know if you guys know, but when the girls went down to St. George, they decided

25:23to be a good idea to meet up with Marciano and make him take a lie detector test to prove

25:31Jesse's somewhat of innocence.

25:33And what really pissed me off about it was the fact that when they were waiting for the

25:38results for the lie detector, Jesse invited him to come to dinner.

25:44I don't think that any of them, including Jesse, did it to be disrespectful, but it's the lack of like

25:49thinking about anyone but themselves.

25:51Yeah.

25:52Like what that dude's caused.

25:53Like I got fucked over here.

25:54Okay.

25:55What are like the other girls saying to Jesse?

25:58Like, what are your wives saying?

25:59Like, are they telling her like, Hey, this is kind of messed up.

26:01Like maybe you shouldn't do this.

26:02Are they like pushing for her to do that?

26:04I think that Macy only has the lens of what Jesse's saying.

26:07It's not like she's trying to feed anything or like Jesse's going to make her decisions.

26:11That's bullshit, bro.

26:12Because when Jen wanted to fight for our marriage, all the girls shitted on me and didn't

26:16give her what she wanted in any way, shape or form.

26:18You guys don't tell your wives what to do, right?

26:20Because they're their own people.

26:21But I just would hope, you know, especially with kids involved, that the best case scenario

26:26is to, Hey, you guys should try to make it work.

26:28I'm trying to think right now about just the way for the girls to have a conversation with

26:34you.

26:34If you do want to be vulnerable, it should be the girls and all the husbands.

26:38I don't think it's fair.

26:39Like if you put Jordan and six of these strong personalities in a room, that's not really

26:44a fair, like, I think we need to all come together.

26:47Yeah, I think you're right.

26:48I think we do need to meet up with MomTalk and DadTalk to address everyone at the same

26:52time.

26:52It's sad to say I don't feel like MomTalk supports a lot of the relationships.

26:56I'm all for women empowerment.

26:58I just think it's sad that all these women have families and that's not the number one thing

27:03that they're pushing to fight for.

27:05And I think MomTalk could learn a lot from DadTalk, honestly.

27:08There's a lot of hurt.

27:08There's a lot of harm that's been done on both sides.

27:11And I ultimately just would like the chance to be supported.

27:14That's it.

27:33Hey, John, can we chat?

27:34Yeah.

27:34Would you say you wanted to have a space, right, between the boulders and the cement?

27:38Yeah.

27:38The boulder wall is pretty, but I just think, you know, maybe we don't want the whole thing

27:41to be bouldered.

27:42It'd be nice to break it up with some green.

27:43Yeah, that's totally doable.

27:45So we've been planning on doing some landscaping in our backyard for a while now.

27:48Our family is growing, and I always envision having a backyard where our kids can just run

27:52outside and play.

27:53So I'm really excited.

27:55I know.

27:55Like, we're seeing the vision now.

27:56These, like, levels.

27:57It's crazy what you can do with them.

27:59Awesome.

27:59Well, I'll leave you guys to it.

28:01Appreciate it.

28:01Thank you.

28:02Thanks so much.

28:02You're welcome.

28:05So how was Dad talk last night?

28:07Jordan's, like, wrecked right now.

28:08He was just kind of upset about just everything that was going on.

28:11Well, what was he saying?

28:12I was like, you never tell me when he called or tell me what he's saying.

28:16I have to, like, go look.

28:17You're so secretive.

28:19He doesn't understand, and he's hurt, why Marciano was around past getting information

28:26and then kicking him to the curb because he's already broken up or got involved with

28:31two relationships out of all the girls we want to talk.

28:33Yeah.

28:33So why would you guys go hang out with him afterwards?

28:37What's the plan?

28:37What are you trying to say?

28:38That, like, he shouldn't have come to dinner or something?

28:41Yeah, just like the way that you guys, like, went about just having him around and then

28:45also...

28:45You keep saying you guys as, like, I was like, yes, he's allowed to come.

28:48Oh, the girl...

28:48Layla.

28:49Layla.

28:50If they would have asked, I would have said, let's not have him come.

28:53Exactly.

28:54Why didn't you just, like, stop her?

28:55But I wasn't going to be, like, with him there being like, Jessie, do you think that's

28:59a good idea?

29:00I'm not her Relay Society friend and I'm not going to be like, Jessie, do you think this

29:03is a smart decision?

29:04I just feel like you are the glue to the friendship and you are, like, the conscious.

29:08Like, you are the foundation of, like, bullshit and not and, like, what's right and what's

29:13wrong.

29:14No, that's not up to me.

29:15It's not up to me to tell her what to do.

29:17If the situation was reversed and was Jordan, you would have just let him do it.

29:21Dad talk.

29:22Guys, if the situation was reversed, like, you girls would be livid.

29:26Jacob doesn't know the full story of what's going on between Jessie and Jordan.

29:30I think he's hearing Jordan's perspective, so I understand why he's taking his side.

29:34But I think once he hears the other side of the story, he's going to understand more.

29:38He would never have been able to slide in if they had solid marriages where they weren't

29:41having insecurities and issues.

29:42It takes two to tango, 100%.

29:44Yeah, so I get that.

29:45So I'm like, yeah, he's probably sleazy and doesn't have a lot of morals, but I mean,

29:48it's not all him.

29:49Jessie said that she was being emotionally abused for years with Jordan.

29:53So I feel like...

29:54For years?

29:54That's what she said.

29:55She said it's been like hell.

29:57Jordan says it's like he's been on edge since he found out in, like, September.

30:01But like...

30:02On edge?

30:03Exactly.

30:03He's never said something about the whole relationship, but he said that he's been

30:05because they're verbally abusing someone.

30:07But he said that he's been back.

30:07Again, I completely agree.

30:08But she said it's been going on for years, where he like belittles her, like calls her

30:12names, like a bunch of different things that are like just not okay that have led up to

30:17this, to where this affair isn't shocking because it's like, it was the marriage first.

30:23Yeah.

30:23Like, it wasn't like they have such a good marriage and like, she just went and cheated

30:26one day because she wanted to hook up with someone.

30:29Like, even then she didn't have sex with him.

30:30Okay.

30:31Which just shows like she was seeking like...

30:33Okay.

30:33Attention and like confirmation and love.

30:35Attention and like validity that she's not getting at home.

30:37I get that.

30:37Thing is, Dakota, Jordan, and Zach, do you think they're actually talking to Jordan about

30:41like, the deep things about how he's treating his wife?

30:43No.

30:44Yeah, you should talk some sense into them.

30:46I know, but I just don't know if I'm comfortable.

30:47Every time we're like doing dad talks, it's like...

30:49You should tell them.

30:50Everyone's around.

30:50Maybe I need to...

30:51Tell them to shape it up.

30:52Take them to lunch.

30:52But the barbecue.

30:54So Jordan invited all of mom talk, all of dad talk over to Jessie's house for a barbecue

30:59this week, but did not invite Jessie, which feels really weird to me because it's like,

31:03what is your intention here?

31:05Is it to get us on your side?

31:06He better watch himself because you know that we're going to go to bat for our girl.

31:10I'm just saying like, if I was in her shoes and someone was putting me down and I would

31:15be out regardless of what happened, to be honest.

31:36Hi.

31:37It's nice to meet you.

31:38Nice to see you.

31:40I found Corey here in Salt Lake and she's an ethnic hair specialist.

31:43I just feel like if I keep ignoring my hair loss, to be frank, I'm probably going to end

31:47up bald.

31:48This is just something that like, I really need to get figured out.

31:51How do you want your hair done today?

31:52I know you wanted the traditional sewing.

31:54Yeah.

31:54I think I was like looking at your page and like the minimal leave out one.

31:59Okay.

32:00Yeah.

32:00Now it's time to get the fun going.

32:04I used to go to my friend Jessie to do my hair and I just didn't want to make her

32:08sad

32:08by switching.

32:09Jane.

32:09Did you talk to her about this before you made the switch?

32:12No.

32:13I haven't told her yet.

32:14No.

32:15Do you think Jessie will be able to see and tell if I got my hair done?

32:19Yeah.

32:20You won't be able to hide it.

32:22Really?

32:23Yeah.

32:23Damn.

32:24I honestly thought it wouldn't be too big of a change just because it's like the same

32:28hair color, Jay-Z hair.

32:30So I'm definitely feeling a little anxious over the fact that I didn't tell Jessie, but

32:34I'm still firm in my decision that I wasn't doing it with malicious intent.

32:37I just genuinely did not want to add one more thing to her plate at the moment.

32:40But I just hope that if she does notice, she notices my intentions behind not telling her

32:46we're pure.

32:47Tell me about yourself.

32:48Well, I'm originally from California.

32:50Okay.

32:51I've been in Utah for about seven years now.

32:55I'm going on eight.

32:56Yeah.

32:56I tried to get my whole family here, but they were like, Utah.

32:59Let's see Utah.

33:00I kind of originally moved to Utah because I converted to the church, actually.

33:05So at the LDS church when I was 16.

33:07But it obviously didn't turn out that great because then I got pregnant so fast after moving

33:11here.

33:11Are you still LDS?

33:13I don't remember the last time I even went to church.

33:15Okay.

33:15I still don't have my records removed or anything like that.

33:17I haven't made that final step.

33:19But there's a lot of things I don't resonate with when it comes to the church, obviously,

33:23especially like some history parts that are not okay.

33:27Mm hmm.

33:28There is an old scripture in the Book of Mormon that states that black skin is a curse.

33:33It's something that I'm aware of now that I wasn't aware of when I first converted.

33:36But I try to look at the church with grace and the situations because they did renounce

33:40those teachings about 10 years ago.

33:41How do you deal with your mental here and like depression and things like that?

33:46Because I know for myself, those are things that I struggle with here.

33:51Because just feeling excluded?

33:53Yeah.

33:54Um, honestly, I feel like I'm so used to it.

33:57But like growing up too, my dad didn't take me a lot around his family because my dad's

34:00black and my mom's white.

34:02And I didn't spend a lot of time with that side of my family.

34:04So I feel like I almost I get called whitewashed a lot.

34:07And I feel like people think it's like a choice.

34:09But I feel like you're a product of your environment.

34:11And I was raised around predominantly white people.

34:14So that's how I kind of didn't know who that side of myself was.

34:17It's very nice to just sit down and connect with Corey today and just talk to somebody that

34:20just gets it and can resonate with me with situations that are just kind of unique and

34:25one off, especially living in Utah as a person of color.

34:27It looks so good.

34:29I love it.

34:30You do?

34:31What's that?

34:32You like it?

34:33It looks so good.

34:34Thank you, Corey.

34:35You're welcome.

34:41Passing the phone to somebody that...

34:43I'm passing the phone to someone that also has two baby daddies.

34:46I'm passing the phone to someone who loves to booze coffee.

34:53Let me see.

34:54Let me see.

34:55Hello.

34:56Dude, it looks good.

34:57I feel like it looks maybe a little longer.

34:58Do you think?

34:59Yeah.

34:59But I don't think it's like...

35:00If I didn't know, I wouldn't know.

35:02I have a hat in my car.

35:03Should I put it on to hide it?

35:04Do you think that the hat's gonna...

35:05This is the only part that I think she would recognize?

35:07I wouldn't bother.

35:08Okay, well...

35:09I wouldn't bother.

35:09No.

35:10I love that you're bringing these skirts, though.

35:12It's so on brand.

35:13It's the best.

35:14I know.

35:15Hello.

35:16Hey, guys.

35:18Hey.

35:19Where should we all sit?

35:21Jordan wants to bring all of us together, mom talk and dad talk, tomorrow.

35:25To kind of give his side and whatever else he has to say.

35:28Jesse's not gonna be there because they're not on the best rooms right now.

35:32So I feel like we need to come together, figure it out, and decide how to have Jesse's back in

35:37the situation because she won't have a voice at the barbecue.

35:39Are you going to the barbecue?

35:40The barbecue's weird to begin with because why is he hosting at your house that you've paid for?

35:44Kind of weird.

35:45I do think it's best that I'm not at the barbecue because we are separated.

35:49We're trying to keep things amicable and stay away from each other as much as we can.

35:53So I think that it's good that I'm not there because who knows what drama would go down.

35:57What do you think his intention is of throwing the barbecue?

36:01With all of us?

36:02No.

36:02Not you.

36:03I feel like it's a facade.

36:04It's like, you guys, I'm so sad.

36:05Like, please don't be involved.

36:06I really want to get Jesse back.

36:08We're really working on it.

36:08But yet, like, we know what's going on behind the scenes.

36:11If he does that, I'm like, hey, listen, that's not the truth.

36:14Yeah.

36:14What?

36:15Like, I don't want to go if you're not there, honestly.

36:17I know.

36:17What do you want our strategy to be going into?

36:19So I do feel like there's going to be an element of him and maybe some of the other husbands

36:23being like, well, I think it was inappropriate you guys went to dinner with Marciana.

36:25I was supposed to say, okay.

36:26I didn't do anything with Marciana.

36:28That's in between them two.

36:29I'm like, I don't know why they're like, it's so inappropriate you did that.

36:32Yeah, it would be very bold to do that.

36:34I think he thinks, like, Dakota will back him up.

36:35Probably Zach will back him up.

36:36So I think he thinks, yeah, he's got people on his side.

36:40I just wonder if this is going to turn into, like, boys against girls.

36:43Now that I know everything and the extent of how Jordan has been treating Jesse in their marriage,

36:48I don't know if I'm fully supportive of them working it out right now.

36:51So it'll be interesting going into this barbecue of the tensions or to see what his intentions are.

36:57And if he wants to get mom talk on his side.

36:59Um, any of you guys done anal?

37:03I've tried it, but it hurts.

37:04I told him to take it out.

37:05I didn't like it.

37:06It hurts.

37:06Oh my God, Taylor.

37:08Well, no shit.

37:08What do you mean it hurts?

37:09Of course it hurts.

37:10But I feel like a lot of the time...

37:11I just feel like, just have sex.

37:14Yeah.

37:14I'm just wondering, like, so it hurts.

37:16There's bigger holes.

37:17There's bigger holes.

37:19I use that one.

37:20Mikaela does the belly button.

37:22But isn't it the smaller the better?

37:23For the guy, not for you.

37:25That's what I'm saying.

37:25We are breaking the patriarchy here.

37:27Dear God.

37:28We have to do it right.

37:29But have you tried it?

37:30You gotta spice things up.

37:31Either you swing or you have anal sex.

37:34I'm crying.

37:36I think Jen likes to put out there that she's really Mormon.

37:39But, like, I know that Jen's a little freaky.

37:42So, it doesn't shock me.

37:44Okay, someone get the blankets.

37:45I can't do it.

37:46I'm pregnant.

37:47Then grab more shit, Macy.

37:49Damn!

37:49I have two things!

37:51Are you ready?

37:51Okay, wait.

37:52Your hair looks longer.

37:54I definitely thought it was in the clear,

37:56and Jessie was not gonna notice my hair,

37:58but clearly, she did.

37:59Unfortunately, I feel like there's definitely no way

38:01to avoid this conversation now.

38:03Okay.

38:05I love Jay-Z, and I love you,

38:07and I love how you've done my hair.

38:09Yeah.

38:09But I went to a black hair stylist.

38:26I was just noticing my hair just, like, wasn't doing well.

38:29I just think there's been so much going on in your life right now,

38:31just personal life, and I just didn't want to, like, add one more thing on.

38:35Yeah.

38:35I think you could have just told me.

38:36Yeah.

38:37I think that's the only thing is, like, it would be totally fine if you were like,

38:40hey, I feel like I need to go somewhere that specializes in black hair.

38:42I'd be like, totally fine.

38:44Avoiding hard conversations is definitely a habit that I used to have,

38:47but I'm trying to be better at speaking my mind and not keeping things in,

38:51so I feel like this is the start of me changing that habit.

38:55Unfortunately, here in Utah, we don't have many black people or black stylists,

38:58and it's actually a big problem.

39:00Like, I think that, you know, like, I just didn't get the education in school,

39:03and that's something I want to learn more about.

39:05Oh, for sure.

39:05So, I just want you to know, I never want you to feel like you have to hide that from

39:07me,

39:07because I understand.

39:08It's not like you're like, fuck, Jessie.

39:10It's like, no, like, your hair needs to be treated differently,

39:12and I want that for you.

39:13I'm using your hair, and, like, I always use, like, your shampoo and stuff like that,

39:15just, I think, the installation.

39:17Can I look at it, though?

39:18Yeah.

39:18I'm actually curious.

39:19I'm like, actually, get on your knees, because you're so tall.

39:21It's just at the top right here.

39:23But it's like, do you see how there's, like, a net underneath right there?

39:25Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

39:26So, did they cornrow your whole head?

39:27Yeah, so they braided all of this.

39:29Whoa.

39:29And then I have, like, leave that at the bottom, but they, like, sewed.

39:32Okay.

39:32She put, like, the net on top, and then sewed everything on.

39:35Oh, my gosh.

39:36It's so high.

39:37No, it's crazy.

39:38I didn't realize that ethnic hair need to be treated differently.

39:41Yeah.

39:41But I feel like this is kind of just, like, a step of me starting to, like, embrace my other

39:45side of myself.

39:45Yeah.

39:46And being proud of both sides.

39:47Yeah, exactly.

39:47I mean, that's cute. Great.

39:48I love you.

39:49You look amazing. Thank you.

39:50The hair is beautiful.

39:51You can always tell me, just so you know.

39:52I love you. You're the best.

39:53Yeah, I love you, too, and it looks really good.

39:54Thank you.

40:16Today, everyone's coming over for a barbecue so that I can have an opportunity to express where I'm at.

40:22At times, I still feel like I'm the victim here.

40:25I'm the one that's fighting for our marriage.

40:27I'm the one that was cheated on.

40:28So, as much as I want them to show up with love and support for Jessie, I'm really hoping that

40:32the girls can see my side and maybe have some empathy.

40:37All right, I'm sorry. I gotta have a little taste.

40:42Damn.

40:43I did it again.

40:45You're not getting any right now.

40:48No, no way.

40:51You've been here, right?

40:52Yeah.

40:55You're so high strong.

40:57Have you seen their closet?

40:58It's unreal.

40:59It's amazing.

41:00Come on in.

41:02Hey, what's up, guys?

41:03How are you?

41:04It's been too long.

41:05I know.

41:05Hi, dude.

41:06What's up?

41:06What's up, Jordan?

41:07How are you?

41:08How are you?

41:09How are you?

41:09I've just seen you forever.

41:10I know.

41:11It's been a minute.

41:11I think Jen has a lot of fear of me fighting with the girls in MomTalk because they've had strong

41:16opinions about me.

41:17So, she just asked me to be supportive of Jordan but not really say anything.

41:20And so, out of respect for her and just trying to keep the peace, I'm gonna stay quiet.

41:25Jordan, how are you doing with everything?

41:26It's been...

41:28It's been hell.

41:29You got, like, Macy and Mikayla, like, let's go and meet up with Marciano.

41:31Oh, let's have him come and do a lie detector test.

41:34Oh, let's FaceTime him and tell him what happened with the Demi stuff.

41:37And I wish that the other girls would, like, sometimes just remember that this is, like, our real life, you

41:42know?

41:43So, now you can see how we felt when you guys were doing the whole Chippendales party and where we

41:47were at.

41:48I mean, it was the exact same thing.

41:51It's...

41:51I don't think it's the exact same thing because that wasn't an affair.

41:54But I can understand the principle.

41:56But the principle, absolutely.

41:57Like, it being something hard for you guys.

41:59Yes.

41:59And it being, like, joked about.

42:01Yes.

42:02Hi.

42:03Hi.

42:05Hi.

42:06Hi.

42:07Hi.

42:08Hi.

42:11How are you?

42:11Good.

42:12How are you doing?

42:12Good.

42:12What's up, Jacob?

42:13How you doing, buddy?

42:14Hi, Bethany.

42:15Good.

42:16It's good to see you, Macy.

42:17How are you doing?

42:17A little side hug there.

42:19This is weird to be here without Jessie.

42:21Hello.

42:22Is it weird?

42:23Did you pay her, like, an hourly rate to rent it out?

42:27All right.

42:27Oh, no.

42:29All right.

42:30If you guys want to go out by the pool.

42:34I feel a little heated going into this barbecue, and I say that because I heard that Dad Talk was

42:38talking shit on Mom Talk at their last little event.

42:42Let me find a good spot.

42:44I think it is a little manipulative the way that Jordan is not really telling his role and contributing to

42:50the issues that him and Jessie have been having.

42:52And if more members of Dad Talk knew that, they wouldn't be so quick to be on Jordan's side.

42:57There's not much room there.

42:59Yeah, you sat in the middle, bro.

43:00Oh, fine.

43:01Did you guys play in your outfits?

43:02Don't lie.

43:03You guys are starting to look scary somewhere, actually.

43:06I do.

43:06You, too.

43:07It's the blue eyes.

43:08You're starting to, like, morph into the same person.

43:10I'm scared.

43:11I have blue.

43:12Thing one, thing two.

43:13What?

43:13I have blue eyes.

43:14Yeah, they say when you start to act the same, you morph into the same.

43:17And he's got a red beard.

43:17They look very similar, so.

43:21Yeah.

43:22Um.

43:23He said, you're telling me.

43:24You know, I just kind of wanted, like, I haven't really, like, addressed everybody since everything's kind of, like, obviously

43:30unfolded.

43:30So I just kind of, like, wanted to tell you guys kind of just, like, where I'm at right now.

43:36We obviously tried to keep a wrap on this thing through the last seven months.

43:39And I was so hurt.

43:41And as an anxious relationship type person, like, I just want to be seen.

43:45And I felt like I reacted extremely poorly.

43:48Um.

43:49And it made us get to a place where it was extremely toxic.

43:56It's really hard, guys.

43:57Like, I don't know what's gonna happen.

43:58Um.

44:02I still love my wife.

44:03And, um, I want to try to make it work.

44:08I think it's very clear which husbands out of Dad Talk have an issue with those Mormon traditional gender roles.

44:15And so, I want to believe that Jordan is taking full accountability and wanting to change his actions.

44:21But I think, for me, it's just hard because I see the other end of it.

44:24And I see the way that he treats Jessie behind closed doors.

44:27So, as of now, I'm still on Team Jessie.

44:29Jessie, sorry that you're going through this.

44:33You and her, honestly.

44:35Yep.

44:35That's tough.

44:36It's hard, definitely, when, like, we're hearing the majority from Jessie to not perceive you a certain way.

44:41But we all F up and...

44:43Well, we also need to remember, right, like, she did have an affair.

44:45And it's, you know, she's been continuing to communicate with this guy.

44:50Those decisions break the boundaries that we've set in therapy.

44:54Right?

44:55But didn't she break those boundaries, too?

45:00No.

45:01You are correct.

45:02Okay.

45:03And I take full accountability.

45:05Well, I think she has an issue with that, too, because I've heard it's a big portion of your marriage.

45:09And you're just taking accountability for the last six months after the cheating.

45:13But that doesn't excuse that behavior.

45:14No, I'm not.

45:14No one's here condoning cheating.

45:16No one's like, yeah, go out and have an affair.

45:17That's awful that she did that to you.

45:18But I don't think it's fair to say, like, well, Jessie did go out and have an affair.

45:23Because, like, there is equal poor behavior in the relationship, you know?

45:26Yeah, there was bad things on both sides, right?

45:29Yeah.

45:29I was just saying that.

45:30For sure.

45:30I just want you guys both to be happy.

45:31I agree with that.

45:32There are still, like, slip-ups.

45:34100%.

45:34I think that's what's hard is that we hear her side of it.

45:37Yeah, there are.

45:37And we are seeing the reactions on your side.

45:39And it's hard as good friends to sit there and say, oh, absolutely get treated that way.

45:42That's amazing for you.

45:44I have a lot of flaws.

45:46I hope you guys, like, see the authenticity that, like, I'm trying to be authentic with you guys.

45:54And, like, sometimes I feel like you guys kind of, like, dick around and, like, make light of something that's

45:58painful for me to just be kind of almost made light of at times.

46:03What do you mean make light of?

46:04No one's made light out of it.

46:05I've heard you guys giggling about it.

46:06About what?

46:07All of you.

46:08I don't want to say specific names.

46:09Well, you have to.

46:10You should.

46:10Because we haven't done that.

46:11Like, I'm trying to remember specifically.

46:13Give me a second.

46:14There's not.

46:16Like, we'll hear shitty things and be like, that's not okay.

46:18Like, of course we're going to have opinions.

46:20No one here has ever said leave, Jordan.

46:22We're not like, divorce him, you know?

46:23I wish we got that.

46:26Okay, though.

46:27We learned from our mistakes.

46:29I will say, if you guys have any intention of working things out, I'd keep a lot of things between

46:35you two in private.

46:36And not that you can't confide in friends, because obviously that's why we're here for you guys.

46:39But then you do start to get people's opinions and it starts messing with your mind.

46:43And then it will create this wedge between both of you.

46:46I'm sure Jen and Zach can also relate to that of, like, work things out between you two.

46:51And that's something Dakota and I had to learn the hard way.

46:53I don't want that for you guys.

46:54But inviting them to dinner wasn't okay.

46:57I get that she's your friend and you're backing her up.

46:59But she said that you would, like, question it.

47:01And, like, you were like, did more happen?

47:03Absolutely.

47:03So I feel like that's fair of her to go in and try to clear that.

47:06I actually agree with Jordan.

47:07I do know it's not a good look.

47:09Obviously you're still married and then the girls are saying, well, she's separated.

47:12She can do whatever she wants.

47:14You can do whatever you want.

47:15But you're going to pay the consequences of doing whatever you want.

47:17It wasn't necessary.

47:19What I'm saying, though, is if the roles were reversed,

47:23if Zach and Jace had an affair...

47:27Hold on.

47:28I was trying to understand.

47:29Like, you said they had an affair.

47:30I was like, what is going on?

47:32If they had an affair...

47:32This gesture does look kind of good.

47:35If they had an affair with the same girl...

47:37I was like, I think we have a better issue.

47:39Okay, I get it. I get it.

47:39And then Dakota and I...

47:41You'll meet up with her.

47:42Yes, I think they're...

47:42You guys would flip.

47:44And I'm sorry, you would have a conniption about it.

47:46Me?

47:46Yes.

47:47I'm not even a jealous group.

47:49I think you would even...

47:51See?

47:51Jace didn't think you should be happy.

47:53We were all there with them.

47:54I'm sure that Jace didn't appreciate that.

47:56Jace doesn't care.

47:57I drove down to Beaver and had lunch with him.

47:59Well, I definitely don't like the guy.

48:01Yeah.

48:01Neither do I.

48:02No one likes the guy.

48:04I don't like the guy.

48:05It just sucks because I, in some way, know what he's feeling and going through.

48:09And it sucks when you don't feel like you have the support of your wife's friends.

48:13Because you're already fighting for your marriage.

48:15I'm just saying that if the roles were reversed, I think you guys wouldn't be okay with it.

48:19But...

48:19It's not okay.

48:20And also, I have a really hard time when you're, like, boxing out and all this for her.

48:24Because you really went hard at Dakota.

48:30Jace took accountability.

48:32He lied for years.

48:33So, there's a huge difference.

48:34Yeah, my lie was also before dating.

48:35But you lied multiple times in a relationship.

48:39Just saying.

48:39Before dating, you lied to me.

48:40It doesn't matter because you lied to me.

48:41No, no, I'm just saying.

48:42If Jordan wants me and the MomTalk girls on his side, he is going about this whole situation the wrong

48:49way.

48:49And I think it's because Jordan is seeming more and more like Dakota.

48:53You're gonna go on my shit list as well once you get on that list.

48:55As a man, it's very hard to get off.

48:57If these two had an affair with a girl and they invited her to dinner, it would be crossing a

49:01boundary.

49:02If all of the guys decide.

49:03But that's not for you guys to say it's inappropriate for all of us to do because we're not married

49:06to you.

49:10I just want you guys to, like, really, like, try and step into my shoes for just a second on

49:14this.

49:14That's for you and Jesse to talk about.

49:16Do you guys think we were sitting on his lap having him feed us tacos?

49:19I'm not saying that.

49:20It's inappropriate itself.

49:21Yes.

49:22For your...

49:22That's for you guys to decide.

49:24Yeah.

49:24We didn't cheat on our husbands.

49:25But it's, again, it's your reaction to it.

49:28Originally, MomTalk started and we wanted to kind of move from the outdated LDS, like, ways.

49:34We can be the breadwinner.

49:36But I don't think it makes it okay for us to treat our baby daddies, husbands, partners with disrespect.

49:43So I'm just hoping it's not too late to remind MomTalk of the original message of what we were trying

49:50to do.

49:50I didn't have you guys come here to be like, take my side.

49:53What I'm trying to do right now is just work on myself.

49:56And if that leads Jesse and I back together, then amazing.

49:58And if it doesn't, then that's also going to be fine as well.

50:01I love the accountability.

50:03Yeah, I will say I appreciate the accountability.

50:05Yeah, you're admitting all your flaws.

50:06I think what matters is what you're doing now.

50:09Moving forward.

50:10And that's all that matters.

50:11May MomTalk and DadTalk get along forever. Amen.

50:15Do we get along, though?

50:25Dancing with the Stars wants to choose one of us.

50:29This could be really, really cool for MomTalk.

50:32Wait, who is that walking in?

50:34Hi.

50:35How are you doing?

50:36Oh, God.

50:37I can't do this again.

50:38We're not going to have people coming and going,

50:40Why are you here today?

50:41What do you want?

50:44I feel like our sexual relationship has been struggling for a while now.

50:48We're both kind of at this crossroad of we don't know how to move forward right now.

50:53It's like I want to be able to fix it.

50:56It's really hard.

50:59She's like, how are you doing?

51:01Are you going to say hi?

51:02No.

51:02She is actually dead, Demi?

51:04Fuck you.

51:07Fuck you, Demi.

51:08You know nothing about this situation.

51:10Demi, you know nothing!

51:41...

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