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00:14:24Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
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00:15:32London's always like, you've been hanging out with Jordan too much?
00:15:35It's a little spicy. It's not usually spicy.
00:15:38What happened in England?
00:15:39You're gonna have to wait and tune in. Just wait.
00:15:43All right, more of that on season four of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
00:15:48Now, if you need a drink at home, grab a chaser.
00:15:51And for anyone here, just grab Chase.
00:15:53Let's see who else is behind the bar.
00:16:03Mason, why is your shirt on?
00:16:09So you guys are official. Official, official.
00:16:13How are you?
00:16:15Good.
00:16:17Mason is Chase's brother, and he's frickin' hot.
00:16:21I used to see Chase, and I see you.
00:16:23Do you think it's weird, to be honest?
00:16:25I don't know.
00:16:27I guess it's not weird.
00:16:28I saw Chase a year ago now.
00:16:30I know that Mason was interested in me first before Chase was.
00:16:33So I just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first,
00:16:37and now we're doing redo.
00:16:40Oh!
00:16:43Also, Layla, so I hear Mason has met your kid.
00:16:47Yes, yes.
00:16:48Do they love him?
00:16:49Did he pass the test?
00:16:50The kids' test?
00:16:51I fear they're obsessed with him, yeah.
00:16:52The other day when we were on that hike.
00:16:54Yeah.
00:16:54Because he looks like Tarzan.
00:16:55Have they seen him?
00:16:56I always, every single time they're eating,
00:16:58they're like, I'm gonna eat all my food so I get big muscles.
00:17:01Who's a better kisser?
00:17:03It's definitely Mason.
00:17:05I was gonna ask his bigger.
00:17:08I want to shift gears from Mason and Layla
00:17:11and talk about another relationship.
00:17:13Mikayla and Jace, you guys were very vulnerable
00:17:16about your struggles this season.
00:17:19I feel like I've made a lot of strides
00:17:21with my past sexual abuse,
00:17:24but as far as the intimacy issues,
00:17:26I feel like it's been one area
00:17:28that I haven't been able to progress at all.
00:17:32Intimacy for me is really important.
00:17:34It's like a deal breaker.
00:17:36I think it's someone else's fault
00:17:37that took things and stole things from you,
00:17:39and I'm frustrated.
00:17:40I'm frustrating at those people.
00:17:42I'm not frustrated with you.
00:17:44Mikayla, how does it feel hearing Jace say
00:17:48not having intimacy is an issue for him?
00:17:50I'm sorry.
00:17:53I'm just gonna take a second.
00:18:05Sorry.
00:18:05I'm just gonna take a second.
00:18:17It's still really fresh,
00:18:19everything that I'm working through.
00:18:21I know it's a really big need of his,
00:18:23and I think he's been very patient with me.
00:18:27Mikayla's been amazing.
00:18:29I think that she's handling it better
00:18:31than I could have in her situation.
00:18:33Have things improved at all
00:18:35since the finale, since that time?
00:18:38I feel like I haven't had my body
00:18:41or felt in my body for a long time
00:18:42because of my health issues.
00:18:44Also, she had a baby.
00:18:45And I just had a baby.
00:18:47She carried that baby to term
00:18:49and pushed that baby out.
00:18:50And then after having the baby,
00:18:51it's like my health stuff
00:18:52all came back 180 overnight,
00:18:54and then for him it's still hard
00:18:55because we're still having
00:18:57the intimacy issues.
00:18:58And I'm like,
00:18:58I don't know how to overcome it.
00:18:59I think that's what's hard.
00:19:02Yeah.
00:19:04Jessie, you look like
00:19:06you're getting emotional.
00:19:08Yeah.
00:19:12I actually loved watching
00:19:13the Kiho story
00:19:14because I knew that
00:19:15it happened to her,
00:19:16but seeing it play out
00:19:17and seeing her thoughts
00:19:18and feelings behind it,
00:19:20I can relate.
00:19:22I've been doing a lot of therapy
00:19:23because of mine and Jordan's situation,
00:19:24and I actually uncovered
00:19:26the memory that I was raped
00:19:27when I was 19.
00:19:34And it really,
00:19:36it like started a lot of my issues
00:19:40about like going emotionally numb
00:19:42and pushing people away
00:19:43and feeling not good enough.
00:19:45And after uncovering that,
00:19:48me and Jordan already had our struggles,
00:19:50but it made it worse.
00:19:51Like I, I don't exactly.
00:19:53I, like I, I don't want him to touch me
00:19:57and it's not his fault,
00:19:58but like, it's so crazy
00:20:00how your body reacts.
00:20:02It's not just your emotions, you know?
00:20:04Um, so yeah,
00:20:05that's just been another layer
00:20:07of healing for me,
00:20:08but watching her story,
00:20:09like it just really hit home for me.
00:20:11And I, I understand fully
00:20:13how that can feel.
00:20:15Connor, what's going through
00:20:17your head right now?
00:20:23I'm so sorry, Jesse.
00:20:26I feel like I can't relate
00:20:29in the same way.
00:20:30I struggled with intimacy
00:20:32in polarizing ways.
00:20:35And I don't want to speak
00:20:36for Michaela or Jesse
00:20:37or anyone else,
00:20:38but it can be challenging
00:20:40to rewire your brain.
00:20:41At least for me,
00:20:43the two polarizing parts
00:20:44are like, please don't touch me.
00:20:46I don't have control here
00:20:47and it scares me
00:20:49to I want to have
00:20:51like hypersexuality.
00:20:52Like I want to have
00:20:52as much sex as possible
00:20:53to put distance between me
00:20:55and that event.
00:20:56I just need to get that
00:20:58out of my system.
00:21:00So I don't know
00:21:02if I can necessarily relate
00:21:03with your relationships,
00:21:05but I do know
00:21:06that the patience
00:21:06that you are giving
00:21:08your spouses is healing
00:21:10and it is breeding intimacy
00:21:12between the both of you.
00:21:14I feel like that's one good thing
00:21:15that has come from the fame.
00:21:16I think it has pushed
00:21:17a lot of us
00:21:18out of our comfort zone.
00:21:19I don't know when
00:21:20I would have talked about it.
00:21:21For me, I would probably
00:21:21just push it away
00:21:22until I was 40 or 50.
00:21:24So I think this is a great thing.
00:21:26Like all the conversations
00:21:27that we've had,
00:21:27I think are amazing
00:21:28and I think they're helping
00:21:29so many people
00:21:30that are watching.
00:21:31So I think that's my pro.
00:21:34Demi, are you okay?
00:21:41What is this triggering for you?
00:21:43I think just like
00:21:44deep, deep wounds
00:21:46and things for me
00:21:47that I haven't fully uncovered
00:21:49and things I know
00:21:50I've been through
00:21:54that I've blocked out as well.
00:21:56And then just listening
00:21:57to you guys talk about it
00:21:59is like,
00:21:59it's so sad
00:22:00that we're sitting here
00:22:01in a room
00:22:03and like how many people
00:22:04in this room
00:22:05have experienced
00:22:05something like this
00:22:06to a degree.
00:22:08And then with everything
00:22:09that I went through
00:22:09the past year,
00:22:11not to compare
00:22:12because what I went through
00:22:14was not even close
00:22:16to what
00:22:18most everyone
00:22:19has gone through
00:22:20but it triggered
00:22:21a lot of
00:22:21really horrible things
00:22:23that have happened
00:22:25in my life.
00:22:27So to not be believed
00:22:29and be questioned
00:22:30and like be called
00:22:32a liar.
00:22:36Yeah,
00:22:36it was just horrible.
00:22:38So I'm touched
00:22:39to like hear
00:22:39the way you guys
00:22:40are talking about it
00:22:41and Connor,
00:22:42when you talk about it,
00:22:43it's like
00:22:44my little younger self
00:22:47is like getting
00:22:47the hug that I needed.
00:22:49You guys should be
00:22:50so proud of yourselves.
00:22:52Thank you
00:22:53for being so open.
00:22:54All of you.
00:22:55I feel like you're
00:22:56going to help
00:22:56so many people
00:22:57by talking about it.
00:22:59We have a former member
00:23:00of Dad Talk
00:23:01waiting to join us
00:23:02and now feels
00:23:03like a good time.
00:23:04Let's bring out
00:23:05Brett.
00:23:08He's joined us
00:23:09here now.
00:23:09How are you doing?
00:23:10Doing well.
00:23:11Happy to be here.
00:23:12Good.
00:23:12So for the past
00:23:14two seasons,
00:23:14fans have been
00:23:15wondering what
00:23:16really happened
00:23:17with Marciano
00:23:18and MomTalk.
00:23:19We've read receipts,
00:23:20reviewed rec...
00:23:21So I met with Marciano
00:23:22and he told me
00:23:24that you guys
00:23:25have been having
00:23:26an affair
00:23:26the past couple months.
00:23:29He told me
00:23:30that you guys
00:23:30had sex.
00:23:31Oh my fucking hell,
00:23:33I can't.
00:23:34We did not have sex.
00:23:36There's dark parts
00:23:36of me that just
00:23:38sometimes want
00:23:38to throw up my hands
00:23:39and just say
00:23:40I don't want to do
00:23:40this anymore.
00:23:41Are you still
00:23:42the person
00:23:42that I want to be with?
00:23:44It ultimately led
00:23:45to us deciding
00:23:46to separate.
00:23:48Did Demi tell you
00:23:49to say that
00:23:50you slept with Jesse?
00:23:51Yeah.
00:23:52Did you and Demi
00:23:53kiss in Italy?
00:23:54Oh God, you guys.
00:23:55If I go admitting
00:23:56for that,
00:23:56I just don't want to war.
00:23:57I know Marciano
00:23:58was hurt by me
00:23:59ending things abruptly.
00:24:01So it does make sense
00:24:03that he would
00:24:04join forces with Demi
00:24:05because he wanted revenge.
00:24:07Oh.
00:24:08What?
00:24:09Who is that?
00:24:09Marciano.
00:24:10He said uninvited
00:24:11to the function
00:24:12because a 30-year-old
00:24:13Mormon wife scared
00:24:14to tell her husband
00:24:15and then Demi
00:24:17commented and she goes
00:24:18grown men acting
00:24:19like a child
00:24:20because they couldn't
00:24:21bag a married woman
00:24:22and then she commented
00:24:22another and then
00:24:23also she got uninvited
00:24:24because he's a sexual predator.
00:24:26He's not a sexual.
00:24:27He's not.
00:24:27He's not a predator.
00:24:28I think the biggest thing
00:24:30for me that's triggering
00:24:31right now is not
00:24:32feeling believed
00:24:32and not feeling like
00:24:34people truly want
00:24:35to understand.
00:24:36She knows how to
00:24:37bulldoze you in conversation.
00:24:39She has a way
00:24:39of making people
00:24:40believe her.
00:24:41Never once
00:24:42did I feel it
00:24:43for him.
00:24:44we've never kissed
00:24:45in our life.
00:24:46I've never even told him
00:24:47he was cute.
00:24:48Period.
00:24:49The end.
00:24:49My gut is telling me
00:24:51everything is calculated.
00:24:53I definitely think
00:24:53she's a threat
00:24:54to Mom Talks Foundation.
00:24:55The band is officially
00:24:56back together.
00:24:57We still have a lot
00:24:58to work on
00:24:58but I do feel
00:24:59a little more hopeful
00:25:00because I am seeing
00:25:01patterns and behaviors
00:25:02that I needed
00:25:03to see before.
00:25:04I personally feel like
00:25:06the things that I've
00:25:06needed to face
00:25:07I've faced.
00:25:08So are you ready
00:25:09to officially move back in?
00:25:10I'm over the moon
00:25:12about having
00:25:13a chance
00:25:14to take another
00:25:15stab at this.
00:25:17So Jesse
00:25:18you had an emotional
00:25:19affair
00:25:20with Marciano.
00:25:22What did he
00:25:24provide for you
00:25:25emotionally?
00:25:27I always say
00:25:28like it honestly
00:25:29could have been anyone.
00:25:30At home
00:25:31I just was feeling
00:25:32not seen
00:25:33not appreciated
00:25:34not loved
00:25:34I couldn't do
00:25:35anything right.
00:25:35so just to have
00:25:36someone who like
00:25:37thought I was cool
00:25:38or funny
00:25:39or just like
00:25:40didn't see
00:25:41those negative
00:25:41things like
00:25:42it was just
00:25:42someone getting
00:25:43me attention
00:25:43in a positive
00:25:44way and not
00:25:45putting me down
00:25:45all the time.
00:25:46Do you regret
00:25:47though cheating?
00:25:48Yeah I wish
00:25:49I would have
00:25:49just left Jordan
00:25:50at that time
00:25:51instead of cheating.
00:25:53I truly was like
00:25:54if I do something
00:25:55like this like
00:25:56that will get me out.
00:25:57It was almost like
00:25:58well he hasn't
00:25:58hit me he hasn't
00:25:59done anything like that
00:26:00so like it was
00:26:01really hard to like
00:26:02justify leaving
00:26:03but emotional abuse
00:26:05and that toxicity
00:26:05can drain you
00:26:06and it did
00:26:07and it made me
00:26:07a person I'm not
00:26:08proud of.
00:26:09Macy I know
00:26:10you had a lot
00:26:11of opinions
00:26:12about this.
00:26:13Yeah no it's hard
00:26:14I've obviously
00:26:15someone who's been
00:26:16through an abusive
00:26:16relationship
00:26:17and I know
00:26:17theirs isn't
00:26:18the same as mine
00:26:18but I think for me
00:26:19I like that Jordan
00:26:21was finally owning
00:26:22things but I was
00:26:23also like as long
00:26:23as you we have
00:26:24the action behind it
00:26:25because words are
00:26:26just words unless
00:26:26there's action
00:26:27put behind it
00:26:28but yeah no I mean
00:26:29it's nothing you want
00:26:31to hear about your
00:26:31friend that's why
00:26:32I'm always really
00:26:32protective of Taylor
00:26:33but at the end
00:26:33of the day I know
00:26:34they have to make
00:26:34their own choices
00:26:35so I try to stay
00:26:37in one relationship
00:26:37at a time
00:26:38and do what I can
00:26:39so I'm not trying
00:26:39to jump too deep
00:26:40into Jesse now.
00:26:42I will say I do
00:26:43remember him
00:26:44taking his part
00:26:45of being like
00:26:46I did mess up
00:26:47I did do this to her
00:26:48and I did do that
00:26:48and there was no
00:26:49buts after
00:26:49and so I appreciated
00:26:51that part of it
00:26:51but behind closed
00:26:53doors when you go
00:26:53home with him
00:26:54I don't know
00:26:54how that was
00:26:55so we all don't
00:26:56know that part
00:26:57so only they can
00:26:58speak on that one.
00:26:59Well Jesse do you
00:27:00feel like Jordan
00:27:00has put action
00:27:01behind it?
00:27:01Yeah we've been
00:27:03in therapy for a while
00:27:04and I have seen
00:27:05a lot of changes
00:27:05I will say
00:27:06like I wouldn't
00:27:06still be here
00:27:07if that wasn't
00:27:08happening
00:27:09unfortunately
00:27:10healing isn't
00:27:11overnight so we've
00:27:11had setbacks
00:27:12and there are
00:27:12still things
00:27:13I worry about
00:27:14but overall
00:27:15I do feel like
00:27:16he's taken
00:27:16what I've said
00:27:18and applied
00:27:18a lot of it
00:27:19I just need time
00:27:20to see if it's
00:27:21going to feel
00:27:22genuine
00:27:22you know.
00:27:23Jordan how do
00:27:24you feel about that?
00:27:25I've had to make
00:27:26changes and I've
00:27:26had to look at
00:27:27myself in the mirror
00:27:28and like think about
00:27:29like the kind of
00:27:30person that I want
00:27:31to be
00:27:31not for Jesse
00:27:32but for myself
00:27:33like I am
00:27:34I'm proud of myself
00:27:35for the changes
00:27:36that I've made
00:27:37and I really hope
00:27:38that those changes
00:27:40are enough to have
00:27:41a chance at saving
00:27:42my family.
00:27:44Well there was
00:27:45even more drama
00:27:46behind the scenes
00:27:47the night Layla
00:27:48broke the news
00:27:48of Jesse's affair.
00:27:49Take a look at
00:27:50this extended cut
00:27:51of one of the phone
00:27:52calls between
00:27:53Jesse and Marciano.
00:27:57I was told
00:28:02that you said
00:28:03we had sex
00:28:05you know
00:28:05that that's not
00:28:06true
00:28:06so I'm just
00:28:07confused why
00:28:08it was said
00:28:08that way
00:28:08Jesse
00:28:09I'm not going
00:28:10to get into
00:28:10this agreement
00:28:11with you
00:28:11okay do you
00:28:12think we
00:28:12had sex
00:28:19yeah I mean
00:28:20that's how
00:28:20I remember it
00:28:21we kissed twice
00:28:22that was it
00:28:23okay
00:28:25no Marciano
00:28:26you know that
00:28:27like I'm just
00:28:28you know that
00:28:29I I
00:28:31I'm willing
00:28:31to be so open
00:28:32and honest
00:28:33that I had
00:28:33feelings for you
00:28:34like I was
00:28:35struggling in my
00:28:36marriage but I
00:28:36want it to be
00:28:37the truth
00:28:37it's everything
00:28:39a hundred percent
00:28:42yes one
00:28:43thousand percent
00:28:44I'm gonna have
00:28:45to like
00:28:45everything's coming
00:28:46out so that's
00:28:47why I just
00:28:47really want it
00:28:48to be the truth
00:28:49this is the
00:28:50thing is that
00:28:50we're gonna have
00:28:51this shit come
00:28:51out be a fucking
00:28:52honest
00:28:52this is so much
00:28:53bigger than you
00:28:54think
00:28:54to me really
00:28:55fucked me
00:28:56I don't want
00:28:56to get into
00:28:57it I really
00:28:57can't
00:28:58she fucking
00:28:59used me
00:29:01oh my god
00:29:02I gotta go
00:29:04Jordan how do
00:29:04you feel watching
00:29:05that
00:29:05well um
00:29:08a little bit
00:29:09um
00:29:12triggered
00:29:13okay
00:29:14yeah
00:29:17I uh
00:29:18was
00:29:18specifically
00:29:19told by
00:29:19Jessie that
00:29:21she never
00:29:22had said
00:29:22that she
00:29:23was gonna
00:29:23leave me
00:29:24for that
00:29:25piece of
00:29:25shit
00:29:25I didn't
00:29:25say I
00:29:26was gonna
00:29:26leave you
00:29:27for him
00:29:27I told
00:29:28Marciano
00:29:28I'm most
00:29:29likely I'm
00:29:29gonna leave
00:29:30my husband
00:29:30because I'm
00:29:30unhappy
00:29:30I never
00:29:31said it
00:29:32was for
00:29:32him
00:29:33that footage
00:29:34is what
00:29:34that said
00:29:37he didn't
00:29:38say for
00:29:38me and I
00:29:39never said
00:29:39for him
00:29:40I may
00:29:40have put
00:29:40that in
00:29:40my own
00:29:41head then
00:29:41yeah
00:29:41okay
00:29:42well then
00:29:43yeah
00:29:45Jessie the
00:29:46results of
00:29:46the lie
00:29:46detector test
00:29:47were inconclusive
00:29:48at parts
00:29:50yeah
00:29:50specifically the
00:29:51parts about
00:29:53contact with
00:29:54Marciano
00:29:54besides two
00:29:55kisses
00:29:55we got the
00:29:56results
00:29:56have you ever
00:29:58had sexual
00:29:59intercourse
00:30:00with Marciano
00:30:00it says
00:30:01no
00:30:01true
00:30:02yeah
00:30:02so you're
00:30:03good on
00:30:04that one
00:30:04number two
00:30:05besides those
00:30:05two kisses
00:30:06have you ever
00:30:06had any
00:30:06sexual physical
00:30:07contact Marciano
00:30:08no
00:30:12inconclusive
00:30:12what can you
00:30:16say
00:30:16I know
00:30:16that looks so
00:30:17bad I was
00:30:17like shit
00:30:18so in the
00:30:19moment when
00:30:19she asked that
00:30:20question I was
00:30:21like okay
00:30:21nothing else
00:30:22happened besides
00:30:22those two kisses
00:30:23honestly but in
00:30:24my head I was
00:30:24like okay well I
00:30:25did touch his
00:30:26arm like he
00:30:26did grab me
00:30:27here like there
00:30:28were things like
00:30:28that but I'm
00:30:29like I don't
00:30:29want to say yes
00:30:30so I said no
00:30:30and then it
00:30:31came back that
00:30:32way so I
00:30:33understand why
00:30:34because in my
00:30:34head I was
00:30:34having that
00:30:35internal battle
00:30:35at this point
00:30:36though like I
00:30:37know my truth
00:30:38it did say we
00:30:39didn't have sex
00:30:39and I'm glad
00:30:40that that was
00:30:40cleared up and
00:30:41genuinely nothing
00:30:42else happened
00:30:43and at this
00:30:44point I would
00:30:44also say it
00:30:45because also
00:30:46yeah what do
00:30:47you have to
00:30:47lose at this
00:30:48point
00:30:48literally
00:30:48and half the
00:30:49time I've
00:30:49wanted to leave
00:30:50Jordan it would
00:30:50give me a reason
00:30:52genuinely and I've
00:30:53told him that
00:30:53can I ask you
00:30:54guys just
00:30:55everybody you
00:30:56watch Marciano
00:30:57talk like that
00:30:58the way that he
00:30:58talks how do
00:31:00you give anything
00:31:01that he says any
00:31:02credibility
00:31:03whatsoever I
00:31:04think that's why
00:31:05it's so messy
00:31:05is because you
00:31:06can't well we
00:31:07know when you
00:31:16guys were at
00:31:17the villa in
00:31:18England you
00:31:19guys seemed
00:31:20okay with
00:31:21Marciano not
00:31:22not I wasn't
00:31:24these guys yeah I
00:31:25will be honest
00:31:25yeah not not me
00:31:27he did seem like
00:31:29he was a nice guy
00:31:30there he was
00:31:30charismatic he
00:31:31stayed out of the
00:31:32drama like I felt
00:31:33like he was
00:31:33respectful to
00:31:34Jordan so it
00:31:35was confusing
00:31:36okay Demi what
00:31:37do you say about
00:31:38continuing on a
00:31:40friendship and
00:31:41relationship with
00:31:42him after what
00:31:44you're accusing him
00:31:44of yeah I mean we
00:31:47have to separate the
00:31:48two because you can
00:31:50be sexually assaulted
00:31:51and then also
00:31:52continue a
00:31:52relationship so
00:31:53one doesn't have
00:31:54to take away from
00:31:55the other and
00:31:57why I did that I
00:31:58think honestly just
00:31:59boils down to a
00:31:59trauma response and
00:32:02having a lack of
00:32:03boundaries and
00:32:04feeling like I
00:32:05needed to make
00:32:05excuses for what
00:32:06happened and also
00:32:07to keep what
00:32:09happened quiet
00:32:10because I didn't
00:32:11want it to come
00:32:12out and like the
00:32:13best way to
00:32:14describe it is the
00:32:15hell that I've
00:32:15been through for
00:32:16the past year and
00:32:18the women who
00:32:18didn't understand
00:32:19like well why
00:32:20didn't you want
00:32:20that to come out
00:32:20and I don't
00:32:21understand how
00:32:21that doesn't
00:32:22affect you it's
00:32:23weird though and
00:32:24I'm again me I'm
00:32:24not trying to call
00:32:25you a liar to this
00:32:26day he will double
00:32:27down on a few
00:32:28things and one of
00:32:29those things is when
00:32:30we were Demi and I
00:32:31were leaving the
00:32:31villa we kissed on
00:32:32the lips no I did
00:32:34not it was off
00:32:34camera Jen when you
00:32:36say things like it
00:32:37was off camera why
00:32:38are you saying that as
00:32:39though you know to
00:32:40me I've seen it
00:32:41now things did happen
00:32:42between Demi
00:32:43Marciano whether she
00:32:45wants to admit it or
00:32:46not I mean she was
00:32:47literally right next to
00:32:49him like grabbing
00:32:50his hands like
00:32:51googly eyes like
00:32:52talking laughing like
00:32:54it for sure did not
00:32:56seem like a married
00:32:59woman was talking to
00:33:00another single man
00:33:01with boundaries did
00:33:02you see anything
00:33:03happen off camera I
00:33:05hate to say the word
00:33:06but like again I
00:33:08just haven't seen
00:33:08any accountability
00:33:09did you see anything
00:33:11fucking happen off camera
00:33:13I did it why did you
00:33:14say you did why are you
00:33:15fucking saying a word
00:33:17why did you threaten
00:33:18because of the shit
00:33:20I've gone through for
00:33:20the past year Jen which
00:33:23you don't fucking
00:33:23understand because you've
00:33:24never been sexually
00:33:25assaulted yes I actually
00:33:26have she has she has
00:33:27gonna have it she has
00:33:28okay
00:33:30then why then have some
00:33:31fucking respect because I
00:33:33was too
00:33:35I'm not talking to you
00:33:36you're talking to my wife
00:33:37yeah I'm talking to your
00:33:38wife I'm talking to your
00:33:39wife
00:33:39then talk respectfully
00:33:40I will talk to her how I
00:33:42feel like she deserves to
00:33:43be talked to
00:33:44I've done nothing to Jen
00:33:45she's made my life while
00:33:46I'm living hell
00:33:47you've done nothing to me
00:33:48you bullied me
00:33:49I bullied you
00:33:50after you went you sat in
00:33:52the thing we're here for
00:33:53you we know what happened
00:33:53we're over on your side
00:33:55five seconds later you
00:33:56turn to Michaela and go
00:33:57if she comes for me next
00:33:58season I'm exposing this
00:34:00what the fuck is wrong
00:34:01with you what the actual
00:34:03fuck is wrong with your
00:34:04brain
00:34:09what the fuck is wrong
00:34:10with you what the actual
00:34:12fuck is wrong with your
00:34:13brain how do you feel
00:34:14about your wife texting
00:34:15the word come to another
00:34:16male how do you feel
00:34:17about that Jen listen
00:34:19no listen to what I'm
00:34:20going to tell you just
00:34:21listen I'll answer your
00:34:22question answer my
00:34:22question I started asking
00:34:23how do you feel about
00:34:24so just with respect
00:34:26is that appropriate
00:34:27with respect just listen
00:34:28okay but it's hard to be
00:34:29respectful when it's not
00:34:30being reciprocated
00:34:31okay answer your question
00:34:32enough for having with us
00:34:34it's got to go both ways
00:34:35I know I understand
00:34:35if you want to be heard
00:34:36out you got to hear other
00:34:37people here's the problem
00:34:38because there's 20
00:34:39different things that we
00:34:39could say you're the one
00:34:40telling people to shut
00:34:41their fucking mouth
00:34:42Zach come on but don't
00:34:44don't I'm not going to be
00:34:45disrespectful to Jen
00:34:46don't be disrespectful
00:34:47disrespectful to me
00:34:48please
00:34:49he's not being disrespectful
00:34:50he's literally just
00:34:51talking
00:34:52the question I have for you
00:34:53is she's telling me to
00:34:54shut my fucking mouth
00:34:55can you listen to one
00:34:57question are you trying
00:34:58to avoid my question I
00:34:59don't understand why you
00:35:00keep interrupting please
00:35:02Jen I am asking you if
00:35:05you didn't see the things
00:35:06that you said you saw why
00:35:08did you say you did why
00:35:09did you say you saw her
00:35:10sitting on his lap why did
00:35:12you say you saw her kiss
00:35:13him on the lip
00:35:14and before you answer just
00:35:15know there's there's footage
00:35:17like the whole thing was
00:35:18filmed we just need to
00:35:18stop this is clearly not the
00:35:20place oh I know but we
00:35:21just brought it up so I
00:35:22feel like why don't we
00:35:23talk about Demi and
00:35:24Jesse's relationship their
00:35:25friendship you guys were
00:35:27best friends thick as
00:35:28thieves always together and
00:35:31now it's like how would you
00:35:33describe your friendship
00:35:34today I watched it fall
00:35:36apart yeah I would say
00:35:37that we've made strides and
00:35:39we've talked about things
00:35:40but I have walls up because
00:35:42I don't fully trust and I
00:35:43think she did multiple
00:35:44things to me back to back to
00:35:46back to back so I don't
00:35:48quite understand certain
00:35:49things and I think because
00:35:50of that I still have a huge
00:35:50guard up to me how do you
00:35:52feel about her your
00:35:53friendship yeah it's almost
00:35:54as though we haven't had
00:35:55conversations like when I
00:35:56hear her say that and it's
00:35:57like I don't understand to
00:35:58me I'm confused because we've
00:36:00talked this through so many
00:36:02times my intention from
00:36:04start to finish was so that
00:36:06this never fucking came to
00:36:08light and in placating and
00:36:11being nice to Marciano he was
00:36:13gonna go on a podcast and I
00:36:14was like shit I need to
00:36:16control how this plays out
00:36:18why were you so involved in
00:36:20my because I was trying to
00:36:22keep him at bay I understand
00:36:23because I did it but I was
00:36:26trying to hide something I
00:36:27did wrong so why did you
00:36:28feel like you had to
00:36:28placate because I didn't
00:36:29want to go through what I've
00:36:30been going through the past
00:36:31year and have to talk about
00:36:32this at all I feel like this
00:36:34is an impossible situation
00:36:35because right before this we
00:36:37just saw you know everyone's
00:36:38talking about sexual assault
00:36:39and you clearly see Demi crying
00:36:42and like that's a super
00:36:42sensitive topic I think the
00:36:44reason we want to have these
00:36:45conversations is because when
00:36:47we say it doesn't add up
00:36:48we're not trying to say
00:36:48you're a liar discredit you
00:36:50but like in our minds from
00:36:51what we know it doesn't
00:36:53Macy how uncomfortable would
00:36:54it be if you got and I'm
00:36:56sorry I'm not and then
00:36:57afterwards you're like I
00:36:58love you and then later
00:37:00they're like Macy it's really
00:37:01weird that you said I love
00:37:02you
00:37:02I don't like when you do that
00:37:06being in a relationship with
00:37:07someone is so different than
00:37:08someone you knew for two days
00:37:09I'm sorry
00:37:10the problem is that you
00:37:11are becoming the the judge
00:37:13jury and executioner as to how
00:37:14she reacted
00:37:15well she put me in a really
00:37:17bad position so I have every
00:37:18right to question her too I'm
00:37:19sorry
00:37:19this is a tit for tat for you
00:37:20yeah it has to be
00:37:21this is bullshit and I'm about
00:37:23to walk off
00:37:24then go
00:37:25how do we get in the
00:37:26bottom of this if people
00:37:27why are you I don't think
00:37:29we're why are you acting this
00:37:30way towards me you would be
00:37:31just I'm still confused I want
00:37:33answers it's all these things
00:37:35where we're like this doesn't
00:37:36add up I just don't
00:37:37appreciate the lies the lies
00:37:39piss me off so bad because
00:37:40it's affected my life for the
00:37:42past year in a very negative
00:37:43way and Jen's off living her
00:37:45merry life on dancing with the
00:37:47stars raking in dollar bills
00:37:48and I'm a lying villain you
00:37:50don't think bullying me affected
00:37:51me sweetie how did I bully you
00:37:54how did you bully me you
00:37:56treated me like shit you were
00:37:57lying about me and then you
00:37:59want expected me to have this
00:38:01wave of empathy for you
00:38:02because you were having a hard
00:38:04time
00:38:07I think that this is this is
00:38:09going to have to be a larger
00:38:10conversation I don't think
00:38:11this is going to be wrapped up
00:38:13today I think too much but do
00:38:14you see what we just have quite
00:38:16we just we want to talk about
00:38:18I truly hope you all can find a
00:38:21way to move forward with all of
00:38:22this but we need to move on with
00:38:25the reunion we have another
00:38:27guest coming I am kindly
00:38:30requesting all of your
00:38:31cooperation our next guest only
00:38:34agreed to participate if the
00:38:35ladies of mom talk exited the
00:38:38stage while their interview
00:38:39takes place out of respect for
00:38:42that request I'm asking Taylor
00:38:43Macy McKayla Jen Jesse Layla Miranda
00:38:49Demi and Whitney to follow our
00:38:52stage manager back to their
00:38:54dressing rooms where they can
00:38:55continue watching the reunion
00:38:57the means example where she if there
00:39:07weren't cameras they would have been
00:39:08like oh did I physically assault you
00:39:09would you tell people that that I
00:39:11was like that I put my hands on you
00:39:13which is an assault like I I for a
00:39:15while was like am I gonna get
00:39:16strung out as like someone who hits
00:39:20all because of you know she was at an
00:39:22emotional high and I think I'd love
00:39:25to chat with her about that because
00:39:26I've never been able to our
00:39:27experiences are valid and it's like
00:39:29muddied because of this stupid
00:39:31fucking asshole that's lied and
00:39:34sorry but Jen who's lied and put all
00:39:36these things in your head that never
00:39:37happened okay she's not telling why
00:39:40she's telling her experience and she
00:39:42saw you be flirting the villain so did
00:39:43all of us I will never put myself in a
00:39:45situation like that again and that
00:39:47sucks especially when you've been in
00:39:49that situation and it like brings up
00:39:51old stuff like then you start really
00:39:54blaming yourself for like what they do
00:39:56it's more painful to not be believed
00:39:59than to say or not to go over it over
00:40:01and over and over and feel the pain of
00:40:04past things than to just say fuck yeah
00:40:07we kissed fuck yeah this happened I'd
00:40:09rather something fucking happened at
00:40:11this point it's excruciating and it's
00:40:14ruining my reputation and we hear you
00:40:16and we hear you on that
00:40:20sorry
00:40:34I want to go home
00:40:44don't feel like you have to go out there
00:40:46no I feel like I have to for me okay
00:40:48for you then let's fucking do it let's
00:40:50do it I want you to really feel like
00:40:52you're up to it every part of me wants
00:40:55to run and I'm like no you're gonna
00:40:57stay like you deserve to be here and
00:40:59I'm like you're not gonna let them win
00:41:02didn't you leave leave she might have
00:41:04I heard this wailing and I was like
00:41:06what was that noise and she's outside
00:41:07talking to somebody I saw Brett talking
00:41:09to people yeah right so I don't know if
00:41:11she was leaving or not okay I know that
00:41:15was a lot but we do have a special
00:41:17guest waiting to come out is everyone ready
00:41:25oh my gosh did he so he's been watching
00:41:31this whole thing welcome back to the
00:41:34secret lives of mormon wives season
00:41:36three reunion against all odds and
00:41:38expectations we have dakota here with me
00:41:42and the rest of dad talk tensions between
00:41:45mom talk and dad talk took a toll on
00:41:47many of our cast members this season
00:41:49and in an effort to speak his truth
00:41:51dakota agreed to join us tonight on the
00:41:54condition that taylor and the rest of
00:41:56mom talk be backstage can we turn this
00:41:58up a little bit dakota I was rooting for
00:42:00you and taylor's relationship and now
00:42:02you can't even be on the same stage with
00:42:04her why are you a little bit you have to
00:42:07admit it's kind of crazy yeah you kicked
00:42:10the girls okay off of their own stage
00:42:13I'm just gonna say that was a little
00:42:14more dramatic than I thought it was
00:42:16gonna be it wasn't supposed to be like
00:42:17that none of the husbands are getting
00:42:19sex tonight that's special con already
00:42:21did before 8 a.m yeah oh I know all I
00:42:24wanted was just to be able to have like a
00:42:26good conversation and I think most
00:42:28people would agree that like when me and
00:42:30taylor are together it's really hard for
00:42:32us to just talk so that was really my
00:42:35own only thing I think that's fair your
00:42:37relationship with taylor has gotten to a
00:42:40point where she'll be looking for love on
00:42:42the next season of the bachelorette what
00:42:45happened let's take a look how are you how
00:42:49are things good you had him like for 11 days
00:42:51yeah I did it was like good bonding for us
00:42:54really yeah well I'm sure well yeah I feel so close to him
00:42:57man the goal is to have healthy co-parenting and to focus on our healing
00:43:05individually I am not going to be in a relationship until I'm in a healthier spot
00:43:09my roommate went missing this morning
00:43:16yes we had sex like obviously how about that I love you last night
00:43:20if ever there was a future for dakota and I there would have to be no more lies
00:43:25no more secrets are taylor and dakota back together
00:43:28I'm not trying to snitch but during one of the times they were broken up
00:43:33leanne's friend she started like hitting on him and it kind of turned sexual
00:43:38this is the fourth girl now and it's like it's a fucking family member
00:43:41I hate you I don't think you like understand how big of a deal this is
00:43:45I just like want your full transparency dakota came clean to me
00:43:52there's never been anything going on between me and dakota
00:43:55I literally would have only invited him over to cry it out or whatever
00:43:59cry it out and then fuck
00:44:04you haven't been happy for three years
00:44:07I did my mediation
00:44:09well taylor I'm glad that you took the initiative to contact the attorney and
00:44:14finally set some boundaries I have no choice we're done
00:44:19sorry can you throw me that water real quick
00:44:21can we make you nervous yeah you guys do
00:44:25he's sweating he's like hey what why is it to cover up right now
00:44:28how are you and taylor now I don't I mean I think
00:44:34probably not good if I had to say like
00:44:38I and I don't like that like I wish it was uh
00:44:41I wish it was better but I just think the emotions are still like really high
00:44:45okay in your words what happened with taylor's family friend
00:44:51it's been over two years now um so I think when this happened me and taylor
00:44:56were together for like 10 months we were both in a very toxic cycle for me
00:45:02anyways it was like I was always getting broken up with
00:45:04and this was like the first like time where she broke up with me where I guess
00:45:08for me it felt like very legit like it felt like it was real for me
00:45:12this lady that I had met through taylor's family
00:45:17she leaned out to me and was just checking in on me because obviously she had heard what happened
00:45:21and she was just like being super nice um
00:45:24and then it wasn't it didn't like get weird
00:45:28did you guys talk about taylor
00:45:30yeah it was about her relationship yeah so like you confided in her
00:45:34yeah it was just about like how how crappy it is and like how sad I am
00:45:38okay let's see what he lies about and then I'll go out there and clear it up
00:45:41and then it's like
00:45:43yeah think about those lies you're gonna tell
00:45:44she's just making him feel like a fool
00:45:47it's not that hard to do
00:45:48it's just a fact
00:45:49and then like out of nowhere I feel like she kind of like came on to me
00:45:56which that I think just kind of surprised me
00:45:59given in that moment like I didn't actually think that was going to happen
00:46:03if again that's just my opinion like I really didn't think that was going to happen
00:46:07and then uh and then from there it was like even the pictures we sent
00:46:13like I know
00:46:14pictures did you yeah by the way
00:46:15you're skipping over the important stuff
00:46:17no no I'm getting to it I just want to make sure I explain this because I don't want things
00:46:20twisted
00:46:21like even on the the episode I watched one of them and it was like
00:46:23Taylor was questioning me I was like oh there was only one picture sent
00:46:26there was only one picture sent
00:46:27I was referring to she only sent me one picture
00:46:31there was multiple pictures sent but she only sent me one picture
00:46:35so you sent her them
00:46:36yeah no no no I only sent one more picture so there's two two pictures
00:46:40what was it what was the picture of um it was a silhouette so in the silhouette like it was
00:46:45so
00:46:45dark like if I'm being honest it wasn't like it wasn't super sexual to me like just because of how
00:46:55dark the picture was what prompted the pic oh yeah this is what I was gonna say so and I
00:47:00think what
00:47:00even propped I think what even prompted the picture was that we were talking about like the gym
00:47:06working out uh being in good shape like things like that conversation had turned away from
00:47:12you and Taylor's relationship yeah yeah I guess yeah it turned to like that just at that night time
00:47:16just towards the night there who gives a fuck what time it is
00:47:19it's night time it was like it was 7 am
00:47:24and then I sent a picture of my shirt off
00:47:27dumb as shit I agree it was stupid I'm not saying it's not
00:47:31yes it was like flirty though
00:47:34her picture to you and hell yeah that's where yeah already I was like okay this is like uh
00:47:39yeah like it but you and Taylor weren't together no no she broke up with me I'm about to go
00:47:44fucking out there and literally annihilate him and then out of nowhere she like freaked out
00:47:51like and was like delete everything delete everything
00:47:57I think it made me have to kind of be like oh damn like this is like a big big
00:48:03deal
00:48:04keep going go ahead with your lies lies what part where have I lied oh I don't want to sit
00:48:08by him
00:48:09you can go can I don't want to sit by him can you give me that water
00:48:13you look pretty keep going all right I will let me drink welcome ladies thank you
00:48:18so Taylor what is not tracking for you um I mean I think you can kind of gauge when you're
00:48:23stuttering you're like well wait wait give me a second that's when you're having to keep up with
00:48:26lies you knew the extent of what she was so don't go back on that now does that make sense
00:48:31yeah I see what you're saying that's my point if Dakota would just be like I messed up
00:48:35I messed up like I was so dumb of me he would just look so much better
00:48:39I think you know that this was fucked up because you confided in Jordan about it
00:48:45a hundred percent okay so you understand why Taylor is
00:48:49yes enraged
00:48:50right right okay yeah so what are you trying to defend defend I think it comes off as you
00:48:58kind of defending as if it's not I think can invalidate how it feels well I think I do that
00:49:03just given the fact that I think you're never just sorry yeah like if you didn't have any new
00:49:08information you must be here to fully apologize or something well I think the context of what I just
00:49:17said is new like I watched the episode and I felt like there was multiple things that were skewed in
00:49:22there what I think that's fair I felt like it made it seem like I cheated on you you did
00:49:32that is
00:49:32cheating to me okay but yet you can do it right when you're broke up when you broke up with
00:49:37me you
00:49:37can go fuck someone else and then come fuck me right okay so a year later oh we were broke
00:49:42up we were broke
00:49:47did I cheat does anyone consider that cheating uh so you're broken up and me moving on so how is
00:49:52that
00:49:52cheating what I did if I was I don't feel like this is about cheating it's who it is but
00:49:56he's saying
00:49:57it's who is with Layla I know I'm saying let then let me just talk do you see how the
00:50:04whole thing
00:50:04changed like when you come out and you're just firing shots at me like I I wanted to just talk
00:50:09this is where I wanted to this was my whole point go I've apologized to you like a hundred times
00:50:13you've never meant it though yes I have I've wrote you letters saying sorry a hundred times
00:50:17do you know what you said you said hey I weeded out a bad friend in your family this is
00:50:20me just trying
00:50:21wait what he said I hey I weeded out a bad friend in your family oh my gosh this is
00:50:26this is what I'm
00:50:27talking about like this is where this is why I can't do this are you still on speaking terms with
00:50:31this person no my entire family disowned her no yeah she was my friend too like that's what like
00:50:38she would see me cry and struggle and all these things with Dakota and be helping me when I think
00:50:42she was a snake in the fucking grass it's disgusting do you feel like you owe her parents
00:50:47to pop Taylor it is so wild this is because I come out with the truth didn't you just sex
00:50:52me last
00:50:53night you should tell your new boyfriend that we're gonna move out the one that you like a lot
00:50:56didn't you just say that today oh you should probably tell him how you were talking to me last
00:50:59night oh look at that we have look at you denying it I don't have a boyfriend I'm single I'm
00:51:04single
00:51:04just take a couple of breaths this is getting a little crazy you should have him show it because
00:51:09we're gonna move out of this I want to go back to Leanne and Jeremy I mean this is the
00:51:13worst time
00:51:13for me to do I was actually going to do it and it was going to be very genuine but
00:51:17now it's like
00:51:18I'm so heated yeah this is not giving happy holidays okay let's welcome in Leanne and Jeremy
00:51:42welcome back to the secret lives of Mormon wives season three reunion we've had more drama than a high
00:51:50school Christmas pageant we have mom talk and dad talk here with us along with Leanne and Jeremy
00:51:56and Demi and Brett Demi I know you had a rough time out there and I really appreciate you coming
00:52:02back yeah thank you Dakota has something he'd like to say to Taylor's parents but first Brett has
00:52:09something he'd like to get off his chest um I'd like to apologize to Miranda um in my heat phone
00:52:14conversation with me said something that I don't mean even remotely we had a brief conversation with
00:52:21Miranda and she just basically was insinuating that I'm a liar and you said she shoved you and
00:52:27I'm like well I don't know what would you call it I don't know what to call it he came
00:52:30up and pushed
00:52:31my head what I said was unacceptable and it was really representative of how I was feeling about
00:52:43this situation as a whole just feeling like the whole thing was just so kind of out of bounds and
00:52:48so trashy the way that I felt like she was being treated and you were the last person that she
00:52:54interacted with so unfortunately you were you were on the receiving end of kind of the pinnacle of my
00:52:59frustration and you didn't deserve that and I'm really sorry it was tensions were really high at
00:53:05that time I do wish that you know this wasn't just happening on camera I wish maybe it was something
00:53:11that was said earlier and I'm not saying that I don't that it's not an authentic apology I just
00:53:16I do think that the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate I I just so you know I
00:53:20felt sick to my
00:53:21stomach just tearing myself I didn't even remember saying that I was like seeing red in the moment and
00:53:27I really my apology really is sincere I I really I'm sorry I appreciate it thank you yay one apology
00:53:35accepted Dakota I know there's something you'd like to say to Leanne so just go ahead uh obviously I
00:53:43I know that I fucked up I just think like I think I knew I was gonna lose you guys
00:53:51and that I don't know
00:53:56I think I kind of numbed out maybe a little bit and I think it was just hard to me
00:54:03and Taylor obviously
00:54:03were just not in a good place and that I think it was just like even harder but I am
00:54:09truly sorry
00:54:10because I know that that caused a lot of pain obviously for Taylor but for you guys as well and
00:54:17you're family and I don't think I realized the magnitude maybe of even what I did I don't expect
00:54:24you guys to forgive me I don't expect anything like that but I do just want you to know like
00:54:29I
00:54:29know I messed up I I know that I caused a lot of pain for all of you guys and
00:54:35that's all I can do
00:54:38right now is I'm sorry Leanne Jeremy I just don't understand like why why yeah you do that behind
00:54:52behind your girlfriend that's pregnant with your baby that's sickening I think that bugs me Dakota
00:55:00you're just like one of those people that you just can't help but to love but then you get really
00:55:06get to know you you're not that person you're just a different person like behind closed doors you
00:55:13have your virtue your it's like been taken away you're so dishonest you're so like I just don't
00:55:19know how you could keep lying and you know what the thing that hurts the most is that she's my
00:55:24kid
00:55:24and you hurt my grandbaby like you hurt ever she's the one that's gonna pay for all your guys's
00:55:32crappy decisions that you both have made
00:55:38I can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth because it's all bullshit dude
00:55:43you have proven yourself time and time again that nothing that comes out of your mouth is just spewing
00:55:48bullshit so I can't accept any sorry from you or nothing I mean our last reunion he was sitting here
00:55:57crying and our host was asking do you think you can be an honest person he's crying yes I've said
00:56:04everything I've said it all like I can do this yes I love Taylor but he's still lying about right
00:56:08I
00:56:09didn't know I learned after the reunion I'll do anything to uh just like have that opportunity
00:56:17to be with her and my family and um
00:56:24this is so hard because that's like I just went about everything the worst way
00:56:31Taylor Dakota where do you guys think you go from here as co-parents I would obviously love to get
00:56:38to
00:56:38a spot of like being cordial for the sake of our son because he ultimately my mom is saying he's
00:56:43the one
00:56:43who is this gonna suffer from all of this this is a law on me that I chose him to
00:56:49be his dad
00:56:50wait are you don't think I'm a good dad Taylor are you gonna let me finish
00:56:54so I feel when I look at ever I'm like this is my fault I did this I chose to
00:56:59do this I'm so sorry that
00:57:01I chose to have a child with this person however they feel they're they're justified the one thing
00:57:06I want to just stand on is I've seen him be a dad and like I think Dakota's a great
00:57:10dad
00:57:10I will never ever have anyone tell me I'm not okay because I know that with every single fiber
00:57:16in my heart okay I just like you know it Taylor out of anybody you know how much I care
00:57:21about ever
00:57:22did you listen I said it's on me I feel guilty it's how you're wording things about it I mean
00:57:26every word
00:57:27I think it's not about this you know we were giving you the opportunity to apologize
00:57:32yeah to them you you did they don't accept that apology that's fine um I we can't just like keep
00:57:43yeah keep at it keep at it like we can't do that that's it I'm done fucking stupid fucking
00:58:01I'm just gonna say I just feel for Dakota honestly did I care for him absolutely is this painful
00:58:07duh I loved him I wanted to be with him I had a child with him so yes it's fucking
00:58:12painful
00:58:13hurts to co-parent to this very day I do it every day and it's the worst things I've ever
00:58:17done
00:58:18I'm so sorry you went through that thank you that's awful it's gross yeah
00:58:24well guys I appreciate all of you being here and sharing your truth and thank you everyone at home
00:58:32for watching a very tense reunion there's no place like home for the holidays and let me tell you I
00:58:39am
00:58:39thrilled to get on that plane in two hours there will be plenty more excitement in season four so happy
00:58:46holidays and thank you for watching
00:59:06you
00:59:33you
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