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00:16The book Yoni Shakti I wrote between 2010 and 2012 and Yoni Shakti is a woman's guide
00:26to power and freedom through yoga and tantra it's about bringing people back
00:32into a respectful reconnection with the rhythms of earth and their vitality of life
00:40I was interested to see who else is connecting to these practices and that is how I found out
00:48about the school in Denmark and I was like that is interesting so I put a two-line reference almost
00:55like a footnote and I didn't think any more about it until 2020 when I was contacted by a reader
01:05and
01:06she expressed horror because she had been studying at that school and knew about the terrible things
01:14that had happened and then from that I connected with other people who'd had similar experiences
01:20said they all were saying the same kind of thing
01:25so I found their website and this little Danish yoga studio was actually part of this Atman
01:33International Federation
01:37there are members across the world and when you look on each one each one has got a different name
01:43in Romania it's called Lisa in Sweden it's also called Nata yoga so when you get to England Tara so
01:54you
01:54wouldn't know that's anything to do with it and at this point I was like oh my god it's everywhere
02:04it was my life okay this is 10 years ago for me but there are still women going through this
02:09now
02:10they claim that it was consensual and frame me as a liar I wanted to move to kind of leave
02:20from the
02:20position I was and he grabbed both my wrists and put them on the bed like be quiet just felt
02:26like I've
02:27got to get out of here I couldn't take anymore at that point he is portrayed as sexually obsessed
02:34this is what we see from the files
02:36how is the testimony of Ashley
02:40he's the missing piece that I needed just watch them squirt
02:45it started and ended with him
03:13July 2019 when I left Paris
03:20I guess I knew that there was sexual abuse happening but I didn't
03:22at that point piece together trafficking but I was just on this kind of constant reading rampage
03:31becoming really kind of obsessed with understanding it more and more
03:36the school was still operating everything was fine and I just knew that every single day more and more
03:41women were going through those same experiences and being sent to Paris
03:47so Ashley got in contact with me and basically revealed why she had left the school I was just
03:56like the fuck is going on so I confronted the main coordinators from Sweden and they're just like it's all
04:05lies
04:07I think he sort of thought he could make some change from within and that perhaps people would understand and
04:13they could break free from Bivalaru and continue all the good parts of the school and he wasn't able to
04:17recognize that Bivalaru was the school
04:21the response was our belief is so strong that we will do whatever it takes and we will support him
04:27no matter what
04:29and in that moment I just felt like this this shudder and this coldness come over me just thinking like
04:34that's the sort of
04:36indoctrination that leads people to drink kool-aid that's the Jonestown's sort of ideology of
04:42you're so aligned with this individual that you would do whatever it takes at whatever cost to protect him
04:50and I just got so scared I thought holy shit these they're gone
04:56so it was around May 2020 that I first spoke out
05:03hi everyone I'm Ashley and I run the cult awareness page
05:07this is the first story I think there was a lot of fear of being judged or misunderstood
05:12at the time there was so much fear in me and I was still trying to understand what had happened
05:16and I still wasn't sure where I sat and how I felt about it
05:18and I was kind of oscillating between being really certain that something was wrong and that I'd left a cult
05:24and then also at other times wondering if I was wrong to leave and that perhaps I'd fallen off a
05:30spiritual path
05:31but I just kind of had this need that I needed I just needed to say something
05:35ask the teachers actually ask them are you sending women to be initiated by the guru is that happening just
05:42watch them squirm
05:43they'll either deny
05:44I thought that I would feel really silly if I just went to my local police station
05:48and said hey I had this experience in France can you help me I just felt really silly I didn't
05:53know where to go
06:01so when I first heard about the experience of the people in the first school in Scandinavia
06:07they put me in touch with Ashley Ashley Freckleton and what she sent me I've never forgotten it
06:14I actually got it received it here I remember it coming through on the email and it was her testimony
06:21the photo was taken the night before I was trafficked to a foreign country for want of a better word
06:28a cult
06:29people don't show up at yoga classes because you know they want to do bad in the world
06:33they're like looking towards self-improvement to be a better human to that's why she's there
06:39and there she is in the middle of London looking like really vibrant young woman
06:43who's totally destroyed by this experience it's just wickedness to do that isn't it
06:50Uma wanted to publish my testimony anonymously in the book
06:54that was the first time I felt like she gave a voice sort of on a larger scale
06:59but then they came after her
07:03in April of 2021 I got a letter of claim a legal letter
07:08it basically says that all the allegations I've made are false defamatory severe
07:14and it's going to cause their client loss of potential students serious financial losses is their main concern
07:22initially I think I felt disbelief and then I was just terrified
07:28they want me to tell them the identity and whereabouts of all the parties who provided me with the information
07:36for you to make the defamatory allegations they want to go after the survivors that's what this is about isn't
07:42it
07:43the whole process ended up with me going to court three times and it took about two years to complete
07:52and in the end the judge decided that they had been out of time and that there were so many
07:59procedural errors
08:00that I won the call to get it thrown out of court it couldn't go any further
08:06it was a disaster financially disastrous yeah
08:09but I kept thinking you know the stress I was under was nothing compared to the deep suffering
08:17that those young women had gone through
08:22what I felt was a kind of sickening sense
08:25that these really essentially good teachings had been twisted up to serve
08:35the greed for power
08:39of the person who was
08:41in charge who was teaching them
08:53people didn't really speak about him as a human being more of a spiritual being
09:00we were really encouraged to look at him as somebody who was enlightened and elevated and whatever he taught was
09:09the truth
09:12almost as if he was Jesus
09:16I knew that the school had originated in Romania
09:18and I was told
09:21don't bother looking him up
09:23because
09:24there's
09:25this long history with Romania
09:28and religious persecution
09:30and he started teaching yoga when it was illegal
09:33and
09:34he's been
09:35persecuted and demonized by the Romanian authorities
09:38and that's all that you'll find
09:40so
09:41don't bother
09:51this is a neighborhood in the outskirts of Bucharest
09:54it's called
09:54Ferentar
09:56and this is known because the houses that are used as ashrams by the group Misa
10:03most of them were around the streets
10:11you can see that there are no windows or very small windows very high fences many of them have very
10:18large satellite antennas and in 2004 police got information that there was much more going on inside these houses than
10:29some normal yoga classes
10:35in the past
10:36in the past
10:36I was the
10:38the police had received a lot of complaints coming from parents who told the authorities that their children were missing
10:59because they had joined this movement Misa
11:02in the past
11:05in the past
11:07in the past
11:21in the past
11:30that there might be human trafficking going on,
11:35that there might be organized crime activities.
11:44Of course, I had some surprises after I died.
11:52I'm here!
11:54I'm here!
11:56I'm here!
11:57I'm here!
11:57I'm here!
11:58I'm here!
12:10I'm here!
12:11I'm here!
12:13I can't wait to find people!
12:14I can't wait for them!
12:14I can't wait for them!
12:15I can wait for them to get them!
12:17Everyone was able to answer them
12:19they were able to answer them
12:24One of them were scared and angry.
12:29They felt free.
12:32They remained, I can't say, even siderate.
12:40There were not, I think, 20 or something,
12:43or maybe 15, or if not,
12:46they had a picture of the four-year-old
12:49who was born.
13:05I was born in Transylvania,
13:07which I think is a very magical place.
13:14My mom was born,
13:15and I was born with my mom,
13:18who was a spiritualist.
13:23It was such a wild world,
13:26which we didn't have access to before,
13:29because it was communism,
13:31it was a more open mentality,
13:34we didn't have access to such information.
13:39After the entire period of communism,
13:42people, once again,
13:43they needed to be agitated,
13:46to believe,
13:47and to deposit all hope and illusion
13:51in someone else.
13:52someone.
13:57I think my mom started these courses
13:59I was 12 years old.
14:01And I said, of course,
14:02I would participate too.
14:04I was curious.
14:07It's quite exciting to discover that there is a spiritual guru
14:12who created this yoga school,
14:15that there is someone who has answers to all our questions.
14:23The fact that I found myself there,
14:25along the Maestro's Maestro,
14:28you can see that it was something sacred to get so intimate.
14:36So, the girls saw it on the Greek,
14:39like the supreme shiva,
14:42the masculine symbol, the masculine symbol.
14:46Do you want to see that in my vision of a child of 15 years old,
14:49I started to see myself as God.
15:01What did they want to see that in my eyes?
15:03It was just the only thing that they were thought about.
15:09The other day,
15:14I was constantly talking to God.
15:21Right after the raids that were taking place,
15:24MISA started building up a defense and organizing protests.
15:30And then, exactly when all the heat was going on and all eyes were on MISA,
15:38Gregoriami Volaru decided to appear on this very popular TV show,
15:42Mario Stuckel, just a few days after the raids had happened.
15:53Buna seara.
15:55Buna seara.
15:56Aș vrea să spun încă de la început că nu sunt liderul MISA,
16:02ci doar mentorul acestei mișcări.
16:05De ce vi se spune guru?
16:07Nu mi se spune guru decât de către presă
16:10și decât de către cei care urmăresc să mă discrediteze.
16:14Eu am considerat întotdeauna că sunt profesorul yoga Gregorian Bivolaru.
16:20Ați făcut sex cu vreunul dintre simpatizanții MISA, simpatizantele MISA?
16:25Deci eu nu fac sex niciodată cu nimeni.
16:27Pentru că a face sex este ceva degradant.
16:30Ați făcut dragoste cu vreuna dintre simpatizantele MISA?
16:34Deci dacă am făcut dragoste, dragoste am făcut.
16:38Nu degradarea prin sexualitate, ci relații amoroase, firești,
16:43așa cum cunoaștem cu toții, bazate pe iubire, respect reciproc.
16:51Și inițierea mea a avut loc la începutul anului 2000.
16:58Eu eram virgină.
17:03Așa, nu-mi vreau să dau foarte multe detalii despre inițierea mea,
17:06dar nu a fost absolut nimic așa foarte special, nu am simțit nicio plăcere.
17:12Din potrivă, țin minte că era patul plin de sânge, dar nu s-a supărat.
17:19Țin minte că, la un moment dat, îmi purgeau niște lacrimi.
17:29Aveam 15 ani și aproape șase luni.
17:38În manifestare totul este rezonanță și Dumnezeu este creatorul suprem a tot ceea ce există,
17:47iar ființa, prin practicile yoga, trebuie să ajungă să-l cunoască cât mai profund,
17:52pentru a atinge astfel starea de îndumnezeire.
17:55A obținut oare carismă ieșită din comun.
18:00Deci, carisma nu era atât fizică, pentru că fizic nu este un bărbat
18:04și nu a fost niciodată un bărbat atregător.
18:07Era faptul că îl transfiguram constant și îl puneam pe un piedestal constant.
18:15Bine, am să realizez aceasta pentru toți cei care mă urmăresc,
18:20timp de un minut, dacă este pot să creez o stare
18:24de celor care sunt deschiși să recepteze, de fericire,
18:30branșarea mea la sferele infinite de forță benefică care există în macrocosmos.
18:36Deci, eu am să încep acum.
18:39Acum a spus că îl transfigură un state de felicită
18:43pentru vizionare care sunt bărți să credeți în filosofia lui.
18:49Cum este bărți să fii?
19:02Bărți să éți Dr.
19:07Bărți să închiceți de bărți să fie să fie un caz atâtât din jurul mental.
19:16Dacă vreau să fie așa că.
19:17Bărți să fie să fie.
19:18Bărți să fie este foarte bună.
19:20I've been involved in fighting against types of movement and cults for many years.
19:28So that's how I became to be interested in MISA.
19:36I wanted to understand the motive of parody, what was going on with MISA in France.
19:42And I started to read and slowly investigate.
19:46It was something very well organized and always the same.
19:52So they organize a kind of strategy where they ask women from everywhere around the world,
20:01except from France, to come in France for initiation, to improve their personal development
20:07and so on.
20:11After that, they go back to the origin country.
20:14And when you are a thousand kilometers, what can you do?
20:18Just nothing.
20:22It's difficult to accept that somebody is completely under the control of someone else.
20:29First of all, you absolutely need to have testimonies from the victims.
20:41I had reported to the Royal Charity Commission in the UK.
20:45Nothing had come of that.
20:47Like I put something on Crimestoppers International and I followed that up maybe once or twice
20:52and it never came to fruition.
20:56No one ever got back to me.
20:57No one ever seemed to want to take my testimony.
21:02I put some alerts on my computers.
21:10And I quickly found this article in Australian newspapers, the testimony of Ashley.
21:24Hello Ashley.
21:26Allow me to introduce myself.
21:30It actually is, yeah, it's pretty wild because from where I was sitting at that point, he
21:34was just some random guy in France.
21:37And yet, he's the missing piece that I needed to connect in with the foreign police.
21:43So I was in touch with Ashley and transmitted this testimony to the Department of Police
21:50in charge of what is going on in terms of cults in France.
22:05We knew there were difficulties with this movement.
22:08But before 2021, in reality, we wouldn't start an investigation on this movement.
22:20The first crucial step is the audit of the victims.
22:24Kaimard, which is a very specialized anti-cult unit, did reach out and said that they wanted
22:31to receive my testimony verbally.
22:34Then they asked me if I wanted to make a formal complaint.
22:38And I said yes.
22:41On s'est dit qu'il y avait visiblement une possibilité que Grégorienne Bivoularu
22:46soit sur le territoire français.
22:49Mais c'était très précieux parce qu'il y avait un risque que Grégorienne Bivoularu
22:53s'échappe et par le réseau qui était en place, disparaisse et qu'on ne puisse plus
22:58qu'il y avait un risque.
23:06Grégorienne Bivoularu est judecat
23:08pentru cinci capete de acuzare.
23:10Este vorba despre mai multe infracțiuni sexuale,
23:13corrupere sexuale, trafic de minori,
23:16interține de raporturi sexuale cu mineure,
23:17mais aussi pour la tentative de fraude de la granițe.
23:21Après les raids, Grégorienne Bivoularu a dénigé toutes les charges.
23:26Vous avez envie de faire de maintenant ?
23:28Vous allez essayer de vous abonner à vous ?
23:30Non, je ne vais pas essayer de vous abonner à vous.
23:32Je ne sais pas pourquoi.
23:33Mais après, un trial a commencé
23:35et il n'a pas été trouvé.
23:38Il n'a pas été trouvé dans la courte.
23:40Et la prochaine chose que nous avons trouvé
23:42c'est que Grégorienne Bivoularu a appris quelque chose dans la Suède.
23:47Tasturats, Grégorienne Bivoularu,
23:49cel mai vânat român din ultima vreme,
23:50a fost prins și reținut în Suèdea.
23:53Il n'a only been like 15 years
23:56since the fall of the communist regime.
24:01Misa was using this argument
24:03that was still sensitive in Romania,
24:07saying that Romania is still a corrupt country,
24:11is still a country where police use force.
24:15everything in order to convince the Swedish authorities
24:19to refuse extradition requests.
24:21Clopitură sub centură dată justiției române.
24:23Grégorienne Bivoularu nu poate fi extradat.
24:25Asta a decis astăzi Curtea Supremă de Justiție de la Stockholm.
24:30Agistrații suedese au temut
24:31că liderul spiritual Misa va fi persecutat în România.
24:33In 2004,
24:37escaped Romania
24:38to go to Sweden.
24:40So, officially,
24:41he was living in Sweden
24:42but there is evidence
24:43that since at least 2007
24:46he went in France
24:47and stayed in France.
24:59Everything I did
25:00was very much connected
25:02with the school.
25:03It was my life
25:04for quite a few years.
25:08And then I started to date people outside of the school
25:12and met somebody
25:13and had a child
25:15so my focus shifted.
25:19I was quite disappointed
25:20because there wasn't so much understanding
25:22that life with a small child
25:25requires huge amounts of dedication
25:28and energy
25:29and I felt very much left behind.
25:34I was dedicating myself wholeheartedly
25:37to motherhood
25:38and a friend of mine called me
25:40and said,
25:41look, you know,
25:42there are some things
25:43that I would like to share with you.
25:47So, my friend came an evening
25:49and sat on the sofa
25:50and began to give me accounts
25:53of women having really awful experiences.
25:59For me,
26:00I went in because I wanted to.
26:02Like, I really, really wanted it.
26:04So, I never felt
26:06that I had to do anything
26:07against my own will.
26:08It was 100% my choice.
26:15But at the same time
26:17there was a huge underlying pressure
26:20for a lot of people
26:21to do things
26:23against themselves
26:24and against their will
26:25and against their boundaries
26:26because there wasn't really
26:28that safety
26:30to say,
26:31actually,
26:31I don't want to do this.
26:33I don't want to do this.
26:39I don't want to do this.
26:40Video chat-urile
26:41erau...
26:42a fost o afacere destul de recentă
26:44în perioada în care eu ajunsesem
26:46în nucleu.
26:50I was not able to do that because I didn't have a vastra.
26:55But as I said, it's the most normal to make some apparitions there,
26:59at the same time, you were able to do what you wanted.
27:06It was in that period when I understood magnitude
27:10and when you saw the 40-year-olds,
27:13all the stores were bought, when you saw CostineÅŸti's commandments,
27:18when you saw CostineÅŸti's hotels.
27:20And I confirmed that all this prosperity,
27:23a non-profit organization,
27:25comes from the sites, the videochats.
27:36I signed a contract, they took a photo,
27:40and they said one of the reasons why
27:43this place is so special is because
27:47the profit from the site goes to him,
27:53goes to GrÃk.
27:59In terms of our growth and our development in the school,
28:05it started and ended with GrÃk.
28:09There were very many teachers in the school
28:13who were incredibly intelligent and charismatic,
28:18and all of them were just so devoted to this human being.
28:25But anybody familiar with the yin and yang symbol,
28:29we know that in each light, there's always a speck of darkness.
28:35Just like in each darkness, there's always a speck of light.
28:41I guess I made an assumption that the speck of darkness in him was really small.
28:48But from everything that Moon uncovered,
28:51maybe the speck of darkness is much bigger than what we assumed.
28:58Missa and Gregorian Bivolaru have always presented Bivolaru as both a victim and a hero.
29:10that he has always been oppressed, attacked, harassed, jailed, tortured, beaten by the hands of the former secret police of
29:22Romania.
29:23It's called the Securitate.
29:31During the communist regime, we indeed lived in a closed and totalitarian society.
29:38That is true.
29:40But now, years after, we can actually look up in these files and see what really happened.
30:03The first mention of the Securitate surveilling Gregorian Bivolaru dates back from 1971.
30:18Back then, Gregorian Bivolaru was 19 years old,
30:23and he was in his last high school year.
30:27They discovered that he was in contact with foreign citizens,
30:34whom he was asking for pornographic materials such as like photos, magazines.
30:42So we have one of those letters.
30:45I think it was 72.
30:49I know a lot of things about your sexual freedom in Sweden, and I want to obtain pictures.
30:57Do you want to send me sexy photos and sexy slides from Sweden?
31:02Another letter, I have a great sympathy for the German people.
31:07And in your sexy photos, I can see the emancipated comprehension of the sexuality in Germany.
31:14Later on, he was actually convicted to prison because he owned and distributed pornographic materials.
31:23He was not jailed because he was a yoga practitioner.
31:26This is what we see from the files.
31:28In the summer of 1989, raids were organized by Securitate in several cities in Romania to dismantle groups that were
31:39practicing yoga.
31:43Yoga had been forbidden since 1982.
31:47Vivolar was leading such a group, so he was again detained.
31:51But this time, the Securitate decided that his place was not in a prison, but in a psychiatric medical unit.
32:02He is basically portrayed as sexually obsessed.
32:10So in his own words, back from 1989, he tells the Securitate agents that one day, somewhere in 1986 or
32:211987,
32:21I met near my house a young 12-year-old brunette girl.
32:28I think she was a gypsy.
32:32And I asked this close friend of mine to have intimate relations with the girl.
32:39And afterwards, to present her to me in order for me to initiate her in sexual tantrism.
32:47This shows a potential interest in very young women since so many, many years ago.
32:56And also, it goes on saying that Vivolar, over the years, has asked his women friends to recruit other women
33:05for him.
33:08He was subject to psychiatric exam, which says that he lacks the mental capacity to assess his own actions, his
33:20own deeds.
33:21And then, just a few months later, the communist regime in Romania fell.
33:28And soon after, special commission of this psychiatric unit decided to release Gregorian Vivolarum.
33:36And soon after that, in 1990, the group called MISA took birth.
33:49So, after Prague, I travelled back to the UK, and I started to realise how extremist the teachings and practices
34:00of the school were.
34:03And there was this website that was made by people who were enemies of the school.
34:10We were told that it was demonic and it was better not to look at it.
34:15So, New Year's Eve, 21, 22, at home on my own, I did look at it, and it was like
34:24a mirror.
34:26It just confirmed what I was already feeling.
34:31All of those moments of doubt or incongruence now made sense.
34:37And this word, cult, that before I hadn't been willing to accept,
34:42I thought that it was a term that was used to denigrate religion and spirituality and keep people away from
34:48it.
34:51At that point, on that New Year's Eve, I realised for the first time that I had to leave.
34:55And I had to leave completely, and I had to do something about it, and I had to speak out.
35:01And then it became really clear their true colours and what they were actually capable of.
35:12So, they claimed that everything was consensual and framed me as a liar.
35:17And people who I thought were my friends were lying about me and saying, you know, how I'd fallen from
35:24the path.
35:26It made me feel sad that that whole foundation of community,
35:31which had been such an important part of me remaining in there for those years,
35:36was completely inauthentic.
35:39It wasn't a real community, those weren't real friendships.
35:41And there was no opportunity for you to truly be yourself.
35:52I got a phone call from my first relationship at the time, Paula.
35:59Initially, she wasn't prepared to discuss any of it, but she revealed everything.
36:03And it was just the final confirmation that I realised, like, this was the last straw.
36:16The fourth and last visit was in October of 2019.
36:28I wanted to move, to kind of live from the position I was, and he grabbed both my wrists and
36:34put them on the bed.
36:35Like, be quiet. And then, eventually, a little bit more after that, he didn't keep them, but he put them,
36:42you know,
36:42and then took his hands off. And then, a few minutes afterwards, I started crying so that he would just
36:48get off me.
36:51And then, he was screaming at me for, like, three hours, saying that I was never going to be invited
36:57there again,
36:58because I didn't deserve it, because I didn't love him.
37:02Then, after I left his room and I went to the room with the girls, he came into the room,
37:06and he continued saying horrible things to me.
37:09Like, he just repeated everything he said in his room to me alone in front of the girls.
37:15At that point, I said, I'm never again coming here.
37:18Like, I had it really clear, like, this is just, this is the opposite of what I ever thought it
37:23would be, you know?
37:26Like, this is super traumatic, like, it's not enjoyable at all.
37:29Like, I'm being forced to pretend that I want to do something I don't want to,
37:34and I'm being humiliated because I don't want to, you know?
37:42That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I just, I couldn't take any more at that point.
37:47Just felt like, I got to get out of here. I can't do this anymore.
37:53This investigator from France contacted me, so I did agree to give my testimony.
38:01Les victimes de dérive sectaire ne témoignent pas facilement.
38:06Les victimes de dérive sectaire, elles sont sous emprise.
38:09Une emprise mentale qui leur empêche de se sentir victime.
38:15Il faut qu'elles se sentent en confiance avec les enquêteurs pour raconter ce qui lui est arrivé,
38:21qu'elles sentent qu'il y ait une écoute réelle derrière, que les gens comprennent.
38:27I was contacted by this special unit, and through the questioning techniques,
38:33and the use of language of this French unit, I could tell that they understood.
38:38I gave them my testimony.
38:41I just knew that that's what I had to do.
38:45There was no other choice for me.
38:49By the time they spoke to me, they'd already taken statements from a few others.
38:53And I really felt that, okay, this was ten years ago for me,
38:57but there are still women going through this now.
39:01I mean, I knew that I was a victim of sex trafficking and rape,
39:04and that was clear from, like, even the therapy that I had done,
39:07and some of the things that I had read until that point.
39:10But it was something about having the police actually say it back to me
39:13after hearing all of my very personal details for multiple days,
39:17having them say, yes, this is what happened,
39:20and it's a very serious crime under French law.
39:23And we will be absolutely pursuing this as far as we can.
39:26It's a very serious crime.
39:29At a moment, with the authorization of the magistrates,
39:33we had an obstruction operation.
39:36We had almost 170 inquaiteurs who were on the ground.
39:40Just before the intervention, we still had some uncertainty.
39:44What did we really find behind these doors?
39:50No one could have a look.
39:53No one could have a look.
39:56175 police officers mobilized,
39:5840 arrests simultaneously,
40:00all linked to a sectarian yoga group.
40:02Tantric yoga guru arrested,
40:04over accusations of sexual abuse and exploitation in France.
40:07He is presumed to have abused tens of women.
40:10Just elated. I don't know.
40:11It's just... I don't...
40:12Like, honestly, when Ziggy called me, I didn't really have...
40:15I don't... I can't really find the words.
40:22It just feels like the start of the reckoning
40:25that we all wanted to see happen.
40:39At first, I wasn't sure if it was real.
40:42It was like...
40:43Just a lot of shock and awe and gratitude and relief.
40:48Come in.
40:57We're not there yet.
40:59This is just the first step in what would be a pretty lengthy process,
41:03but at least we know he can't be doing this any longer.
41:17The other movement was the following.
41:20The abuse of the poor people in a state of psychological sugestion,
41:24treating human beings, and violent.
41:32Do you think he's a criminal guilty of those crimes?
41:40Once I took my experiences and the events that had happened to me
41:45out of the context of their dogma,
41:48and applied it to the context of other normal people's reactions,
41:52my own feelings and experiences, legal definitions,
41:58then I understood that what had happened was trafficking and rape.
42:05There's a yes in my system, and also the story's complicated.
42:19But ultimately, the responsibility lies with him.
42:29To me, it was just like a bad experience, something then,
42:32and then talking to my therapist, she was like,
42:34you know, let's just put the name for the things that happened.
42:40When you were kidnapped...
42:41She started to use all of these words in therapy.
42:43It was really conflicting.
42:45It was like, I don't want to hear that.
42:48That's not what happened.
42:49And she was like...
42:50She really helped me to start putting names on the things that really,
42:53like, to really name properly the things that happened.
42:58And then when I saw the charges that we were accusing him of,
43:01and then it said rape,
43:04and then it was an explanation of what rape means
43:06for the French law.
43:09Any type of sexual interaction that you had
43:13that was done through manipulation or coercion,
43:17it's also called rape.
43:26We don't have to talk a lot.
43:28We just have to read after your declaration
43:31to check that there are no mistakes.
43:33I do worry about the fact that
43:36I ultimately resisted, and I ultimately did say no,
43:39and I left, and I wasn't initiated.
43:42I didn't endure the same horrors that others did.
43:47Therefore, is that an indication that their consent was valid?
43:51Because I was able to say no.
43:56So this is the beginning of the shops on the Cowdy Road.
44:00So you can see the sign from here.
44:02You see it?
44:05They're not going to say that this didn't happen.
44:08They're going to say that everybody consented,
44:11and therefore no crime occurred.
44:15It's all the debate.
44:17It's to say that, obviously,
44:18what supports the examinations
44:22is that everyone was free.
44:24Every branch that was open when I left is still open.
44:30They target students particularly.
44:31So it's really upsetting to think that a young impressionable person,
44:35but potentially anyone, could just walk into that yoga studio
44:40and have a yoga class, just like I did,
44:42without knowing that it's connected to Bivalaru and Musa and that man.
44:50I see, at my level, as a law practitioner,
44:54and because these are often issues,
44:58that all these young women
45:00were under psychological suggestion
45:03at the moment when they suffered the effects of which they played.
45:08What is the France doing?
45:09It's the fact that, in a group,
45:12and by a certain number of techniques
45:14and conditions,
45:15you privez
45:16your free-arbitre.
45:20I think that if there is going to be a trial,
45:23there will not be a trial before
45:25one,
45:27one,
45:28it's sure,
45:28but not before two or three years.
45:32We wait.
45:34We wait.
45:35We wait in a way active.
45:36As we say in French,
45:38I don't know if your translator will translate it,
45:40we wait.
45:41We wait.
45:42We wait.
45:43We wait.
45:43We wait.
45:45We wait.
45:46We wait.
45:59We wait.
46:01We wait.
46:02It's been crazy, actually.
46:03You know?
46:03Just still trying to make sense of it all.
46:08Just finding myself again.
46:17I miss the community, I miss the teaching, I miss being so incredibly inspired.
46:24And I've also learned that we can't just keep our gaze up to the light when we're standing
46:32in a pile of shit.
46:36The time that I spent actually in there and working alongside the other community members,
46:42I still feel like there's a sense of accomplishment behind all of that.
46:48I have often wondered what my life would be like if I hadn't been in this organisation
46:53for seven years.
46:55Maybe I would have had children, I don't know, like maybe I would have been in a long-term
47:00monogamous relationship for that time.
47:02It's just really hard to know what would have happened and how life would have been.
47:10I think it's good to be curious about why we're here in this incredible planet.
47:21But life is hard, life is painful, life is confusing, a lot of really horrible things
47:29happen and we don't have the explanation for why and maybe we're not supposed to.
47:59If you lose your fear, you have the power to take their power.
48:07I'm still trying to figure out where I sit on the spiritual spectrum.
48:13There is a sense of spirituality there, but I don't know what I believe in anymore and
48:18I'm still trying to make sense of that.
48:22Since then, I realised that I have this really deep connection with the spirituality, if we
48:29want to call it God or the universal source, that I have such a deep experience that I don't
48:34need a guru, I don't need anybody else, all of this exists within me.
49:08I don't need anybody else, I don't need anybody else.
49:11I don't need anybody else, I don't need anybody else, all of this exists within me.
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