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00:00Jason Lloyd is in for Anthony today.
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00:27So Jason is in with us today.
00:30And I've been waiting for this all week because I don't know when it was.
00:35Was it Monday afternoon or something?
00:37I'm looking at my phone.
00:37I go, what?
00:39And I got people looking at me, like tweeting me going, how dare you associate with this man?
00:44I'm like, what are we talking about here?
00:47So Jason was on another program.
00:49Nice coat on.
00:50And he said, oh, it's a very nice coat.
00:53The leather jacket.
00:54I can't believe you know.
00:55If you're going to talk tough to all the Shador fans, I can't believe you ain't wearing the leather jacket
00:58right now.
00:59It was a, it was a collar up.
01:01It was a shacket.
01:02What do you call those things?
01:03Those like shirt jackets or the shackets?
01:04I have no idea.
01:05It's nice though.
01:06I like it.
01:07I've worn the same six hoodies for 14 years.
01:10I don't know.
01:11If it ain't a Streetsboro wrestling or youth football thing, or Iowa State or Penn State, no, I ain't wearing
01:17it.
01:17Anyway, so what did you say to make everybody upset this week?
01:21It was totally unintentional.
01:24It was?
01:24Yes.
01:25The only thing I said was like, you want me to ignore this stuff?
01:30Unintentional?
01:30You could have just not said it.
01:32We're having a quarterback discussion.
01:34Okay.
01:34And then have this discord.
01:35What did you say?
01:37All I said was like, when enough people tell you something, people just want me to turn a blind eye
01:42to it and ignore it and act like it never happened and just go on.
01:46Like you just, I'm not doing my job if I'm not, if I'm not being honest and saying this stuff.
01:52And then for, I don't know why this one took off.
01:55Like there was no reason for it to take off the way that it did.
01:57Because it has a certain name to it.
01:59Anything.
02:00I could say anything.
02:01Ken, I go out of my way not to talk about this stuff because this is where it always leads.
02:05I'm going to talk about it now.
02:06I'm going to go out of my way to make you talk about it.
02:08But this is why.
02:08Because I get dragged into these things.
02:11I don't go out here and like promote, hey man, this is what I think.
02:14Like it comes up in the course of conversation and I'm just not, I'm just not going to lie.
02:18Like I'm just telling you, I was being honest.
02:20And people can say, oh, you're making it up and why are you lying?
02:23What was the story you told?
02:25Tell everybody the story.
02:26All I said was enough people have said things like doesn't watch a ton of film.
02:31Doesn't really know how to watch film.
02:32Had to sort of be shown how to watch film.
02:34Doesn't know what he's looking at on the field.
02:36Doesn't know when he's hot.
02:37All this stuff.
02:38And people just lost their minds over it.
02:41I've been doing this 25 years.
02:42He hasn't gotten any better during the year about that.
02:44I have never seen a story like this where what is said behind the doors and what, and the public
02:53narrative is this far off.
02:55I've never seen anything like this.
02:57It's stunning in so many ways.
03:0025 years.
03:01Like here's the thing.
03:02Here's the thing.
03:03Yeah.
03:04How long have you known me?
03:07Over a decade.
03:08We've been doing this over a decade.
03:10I knew you since Akron.
03:10So 16 years.
03:11Yeah.
03:1217 years.
03:12No, I've known you 17 years.
03:14Yeah.
03:14Okay.
03:15In 17 years.
03:17Have you ever known me to be like the hot take artist who just comes out and just says crap
03:22just to get a reaction out of people?
03:23No.
03:24Have I ever done that?
03:25No.
03:25No.
03:26Bring me a Bible.
03:27Why would I start now?
03:30Why would I start now at this point in my career?
03:32Why don't I have to do that crap?
03:33Midlife crisis?
03:34I don't have to do that stuff.
03:35Like I'm never on social media.
03:37I never go on social media.
03:38I never post anything.
03:40I never tweet anything.
03:41So what am I trying to gain from this?
03:45Well, what my issue of it seems to be is that, and I, my issue is that everybody knows I've
03:53been used as a useful idiot before.
03:55I've been a patsy in the past.
03:57I have not heard the same thing.
04:00And I have not heard the same thing.
04:05How do I be careful?
04:06From what I believe are the same sources.
04:10Now, maybe they just decide that they're not going to tell me.
04:13They might know that Kenny's an excitable boy.
04:16But I think I got a pretty strong reputation in not letting cats out of the bag on certain issues.
04:23I think I've ran into one problem in nearly two decades where I might have accidentally let a cat out
04:29of a bag.
04:31There's been one situation, obviously, the patsy situation with Sam Darnold.
04:35But the same people, I'm not calling you a liar.
04:40Let that be known.
04:41I believe you in what you say.
04:43It concerns me when you say these things.
04:47But I think from a lot of the same folks, and I don't talk to as many around the league
04:52as you do.
04:52That's given.
04:53Your career is longer than mine.
04:54You've done more traveling than me.
04:58But I've not heard it to that degree.
05:00I've heard concerns.
05:02The not knowing how to watch film thing, that's been something we've talked about.
05:05That's been something that's been discussed on this show.
05:07Anthony and me.
05:08You and me.
05:08Danny and me.
05:09Daryl and me.
05:10Lance Rislin and me.
05:12It doesn't matter.
05:12It's been discussed.
05:14The hard work thing.
05:16See, I feel I've seen different and I feel I've heard different about the hard work thing.
05:21That's where I go, what happened during the year?
05:25Again, you are not lying to me.
05:27I don't believe you're lying to me.
05:28What happened during the year that rubbed the sources the wrong way that they would say such a thing to
05:34you?
05:35That's what bothers me.
05:36Because I know I've seen it different.
05:37And they didn't just do it in front of me.
05:39I happened to be there at certain times.
05:41They didn't just do it.
05:43I wouldn't think they would do it just going, hey, Kenny's standing over here.
05:46Let's do something because we know it's going to get out there.
05:49At least I, God, I hope not.
05:51Because if they're doing that, then they're really not caring about winning football games.
05:54Owen's giving me this weird look right now that I don't like.
05:59You got a mic?
06:00You do talk on the radio every day in Cleveland.
06:03People say things, you know.
06:06People have messages that they want to get out there.
06:08So they know that if they, I do say this a lot when people see the Instagram videos of Deshaun
06:15working on it.
06:15I go, yeah, I was standing there.
06:16I was right there.
06:16I saw the filming going on.
06:19I saw the James Cameron work right in front of my very own eyes.
06:22It's like standing there watching Titanic.
06:24Bad example, but still, I'm just thinking of a James Cameron movie.
06:27Avatar.
06:28Bingo.
06:28There we go.
06:29Like that.
06:30Did he make Avatar?
06:31Regardless.
06:32Yeah, he did.
06:33They wouldn't do that just because I was standing there, Jason.
06:36They don't care that much.
06:37I know I've seen the extra work being put in.
06:40I know I've seen it.
06:42You're not a liar.
06:43I'm not calling you a liar for the third time over.
06:46Define.
06:46Let's make that very clear.
06:48But when I've seen some of the extra work, I'm going, I can't accuse him of being not a hard
06:54worker.
06:54I've seen the extra stuff with my very own eyes.
06:57So it scares me going, are we just doing this for show?
07:00Knowing that the useful idiot over there in the corner is going to say this on the radio and make
07:05me look good or make our quarterback look better?
07:08Is that it?
07:10You could accuse me of that.
07:11Fine.
07:12I'm a big boy.
07:12I can take it.
07:13I've been embarrassed.
07:14I got embarrassed yesterday on the radio for crying out loud.
07:16This is more of a, this would be like an hour long sit down podcast, not a 7, 10 a
07:21.m. radio discussion.
07:22Oh, no.
07:23It's 7, 10.
07:23We're doing it.
07:24But, but no, because I do think that there is, there is a way to do this job to get
07:30information out of people and it's, you build trust and you, you tell them things that you make it clear
07:39to them that you already know certain things so that they're not the ones that tell you things.
07:43Does that make sense?
07:44Yeah.
07:44And once you do that, it changes the conversation.
07:47When you approach somebody and say, Hey, I know this, this, and this, and they're like, Oh yeah.
07:51Okay.
07:52Yeah.
07:52You're right.
07:53So it's different than just walking up to somebody and saying, Hey, tell me everything bad about it.
07:58Like, that's not how, that's not how you do it.
08:00But I've never done that.
08:01If anything, it's been offered.
08:03I've never, I have been asked before by, by, of all three teams, what did they say this week?
08:09And I've told them what some of the, what some of the listeners think.
08:12Yeah.
08:13And they've either agreed or disagreed depending on what week it was and which team was playing.
08:17There's just, there's, but for whatever reason, and I think teams would tell you this, there, the, the relationship between
08:25writers and teams is completely different than any other form of media.
08:33It just is.
08:35And writers, like I know in the NBA, I had this discussion with people at the league office of how,
08:40how sacred that relationship is between writers and the team, because the writers, the ones that are there all the
08:46time.
08:46And the writers are in the NFL locker rooms are open and everybody's sort of got access, but the writers
08:52are the ones that are there when everybody else is not when nobody else is.
08:55And the, and the curtain gets asked, ask, ask Fedor sometime.
08:58I can't, not allowed.
09:00But Chris, Chris could speak to this on how the relationship changes when you are a writer versus everything else.
09:08And the curtains that get pulled back and the doors that get opened versus every other form that like that's,
09:14I'm trying, I'm just being on, like, I'm just being transparent and honest that there's, there's a different medium there.
09:20And when you can have conversations with, with people and you tell them like, I know this, this, and this,
09:27and I'm not writing this right now, but this is what I know.
09:29So it leads to far different conversations than probably what you have had.
09:34How much that's the only, and I'm not trying to like, I'm not trying to like speak down to you
09:38and in any form.
09:40I just, I said, you have a longer, more established career and you've done more traveling than I have.
09:45Did I not?
09:45I asked the questions.
09:46I'm getting the answers.
09:47It's just, it's funny to me, excuse me.
09:50It's funny to me that like, I covered the NBA for 10 years at a pretty high level.
09:54I had a pretty intimate relationship with one of the greatest basketball players on the history of the planet.
09:59Enough about Lou Williams.
10:01So why then would I start just making things up?
10:06I don't know.
10:07I don't know.
10:08I don't, I'm not accusing you of making things up.
10:11What I'm trying to find out is what happened where I saw hard work.
10:16I heard good things.
10:19And I'm not saying the kid never works.
10:21I'm not saying the kid never works, but you saw hard work.
10:26You saw extra work.
10:27Well, what'd you see?
10:29What?
10:30What'd you see?
10:31Empirical evidence.
10:32Extra, like everybody else walks off the field.
10:35There he is working.
10:35Yeah.
10:36There he is working with the QB coaches.
10:37I found it.
10:38Which now is a different staff, but you get what I'm pointing out here.
10:42I, I'm not, I'm not saying the kid never works.
10:45That's not what I'm saying.
10:47Because that's what it sounds like.
10:48I've had, I've had enough.
10:49Well, you can't pay attention to them.
10:51I still, I just don't pay attention to them.
10:54When, when enough people tell you he's not working hard enough to try and be the starting
10:59quarterback in the NFL.
11:00Is it that he doesn't know how to work?
11:01I don't know.
11:02I don't know.
11:03Because you can work as hard as you want, but if you don't know how to work, we're just
11:05going to spin in circles.
11:06I don't know.
11:06I don't, I can't answer that.
11:07That's in any walk of life.
11:08That's not just being a quarterback.
11:09That's in any walk of life.
11:10You see what I'm saying though?
11:11Like there's a difference between taking a few extra reps after practice and having
11:17it consume your life to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.
11:19I know that.
11:20So you're telling me you've seen the extra work.
11:24Okay.
11:25I'm not saying the kid never works.
11:27I'm not saying that enough people have said he doesn't work hard enough that I don't ignore
11:32that.
11:32That's all.
11:332 1 6 4 7 4 double O 92.
11:35What do you think we're doomed with him?
11:38I don't think he's the long-term answer.
11:40No, I don't think he's the long-term answer.
11:42It depends on your definition of doom.
11:44Well, I can't prove that he is.
11:45What's your definition of doom?
11:46Oh, that this is going to end up into another greasy horror show, the way that things turn
11:50into a greasy horror show.
11:51I mean, I think they're probably taking a quarterback in 27.
11:53We're in a greasy horror show right now.
11:55You've been in a greasy horror show since, uh, $230 million.
11:58Well then, okay.
11:59I don't agree with you, but see, that's part of my issue is that I do think he's in, and
12:04I've been trying to tell this to, for people for the last year, he's in the perfect situation.
12:09The people we talk to every day, I'm talking about listeners.
12:12I'm talking about fans.
12:1490% don't want to see the guy who's set to be his backup.
12:18Yeah.
12:1990%.
12:19Probably higher than that.
12:20I'm being generous.
12:22And I'm in that 90, by the way.
12:23I'm being generous.
12:24Well, I told you, I would much rather have these arguments all day long.
12:28I'd rather get red-faced and angry with you than any of the other discussions we had over
12:32the four years with the other guy.
12:34I'd much rather have, to me, arguing about Chidor is still fun.
12:38I think it's frustrating to a lot of fans.
12:40I think it's frustrating to the fans to spend a lot of time online, because people jump to
12:44conclusions that probably aren't true about people who say are critical of Chidor in his
12:48play.
12:49But I also believe, and while I am concerned about what you have been told, I'm very concerned
12:57about that.
12:57I also strongly believe that a team showed how dysfunctional they were by how they did this
13:05entire year.
13:06The four-quarterback thing was scary going into it.
13:10It was scary to us, and to a point where I said, well, let's be entertained by it if
13:14we're not going to go very far on any of this.
13:16And it turned it up being a complete mess.
13:20Four QBs and running two fields and signing extra wide receivers where he didn't even throw
13:24to them.
13:25I know that life isn't fair.
13:27I know the NFL isn't fair.
13:28I just thought you were shooting yourself in the foot before you even got a chance to
13:31go out there.
13:32Having a guy who doesn't necessarily know, and we've heard the film thing too, about
13:38he might not necessarily know how to watch film.
13:41That's been brought up several times, right?
13:43Yeah.
13:44You're not doing him any favors when you take him and you've got three guys ahead that
13:49you're watching film with getting ready for a season.
13:52To me, you're putting him behind the eight ball.
13:54Then you shouldn't have drafted him.
13:55Then you shouldn't have brought him in.
13:57That was my entire issue.
13:58And that's what I wrote after the Ravens game.
14:03They had a plan.
14:04But when you do that.
14:05They blew up their own plan.
14:07Because in that plan, I didn't think that was a good plan because I didn't think that
14:11was a realistic plan no matter what.
14:12We always get to backups, backups here.
14:14You knew damn well we were going to get to him.
14:16Anybody with a head on their shoulders knew we were going to get to him.
14:18I'm going back to the point he made about you shouldn't have drafted him.
14:21You had two veteran quarterbacks and you had a guy in Dylan who frankly Dylan wasn't
14:26even supposed to play.
14:27He was a project that they were going to develop.
14:31I'm not disagreeing with that.
14:33You shouldn't spend a top 100 pick on the guy.
14:35But the thought process behind it was we're going to take this quarterback and we're going
14:40to develop him because the Browns have never developed a quarterback.
14:42And then we can have a back.
14:44Nobody ever looked at Dylan as the franchised answer.
14:46He was always supposed to be a backup quarterback that you could have on the roster at a cheap
14:50salary for the next four years.
14:52Whatever it is.
14:53Whatever.
14:54Put a number on it.
14:55And then the quarterback was going to come later.
14:57And then they blew up their own plan when they took Shadori.
15:00And then that's when all hell broke loose after that.
15:02It concerns me greatly for a multitude of reasons I just told you and a multitude of
15:06reasons I'm going to tell you here in a second.
15:07Are they mad at Jason?
15:09Well, it depends your sourcing, but yes.
15:13And generally all the sources.
15:14My wife was listening.
15:16She was driving my son to school.
15:17Oh, yeah.
15:18She said, welcome to my world, everyone.
15:20All the things you so innocently say.
15:24Me?
15:24No, me.
15:25Oh, you.
15:25Okay, good.
15:26The things that I say that I'm just like, because you said off the air a minute ago, you
15:30said you just have a terrible bedside manner.
15:31You have a horrible bedside manner.
15:33You are the worst.
15:35She would probably agree with you.
15:37But why do I need a bedside manner?
15:39Like, I told this to Tyvus a couple months ago.
15:41It is not my job to hold your hand and sweep the hair from your eyes and tell you what
15:47you want to hear.
15:48No, I do that.
15:48That is not my job.
15:49I don't tell them what they want to hear.
15:50I'm not saying.
15:51But I do wipe the tears from their eyes and hold their hands.
15:54There are plenty of people in this town who will do that.
15:56If that's what you're looking for, go find them.
15:58I'm sitting right next to you.
15:59So, well, yeah.
16:00But I don't want to be mean like you.
16:02But yeah.
16:03Well, that's what I'm going to point out.
16:04You'll tell people what they want to hear.
16:05But.
16:05But, but, but I, when you do that, that's not my job.
16:08I tell you what, though, when you do that, you know, you're upset about the whole thing
16:11about, well, you know, they're saying, I'm saying it just for clicks.
16:13And I know you're not saying it just for clicks.
16:15There's nothing to click on.
16:16I know you're not saying it to be relevant, all that stuff.
16:19I know you very well.
16:20I know that there's people who want to disagree with me on that statement and I'm going to
16:23get to them.
16:25But the difference is, is that because I don't like getting yelled at.
16:30I don't want to rage bait anybody.
16:32I want to give my, I have strong opinions on things that I want to give them, but I'm
16:37not trying to set out to make anybody's days day worse.
16:39But when you do that, you end up being accused of things like, well, you're just a Shador
16:43fan boy.
16:44You're the, you're the cult leader.
16:45You're Charles Manson.
16:47Cause I prefer to call it a family.
16:48And I'm like, well, no, I guys, I just don't want to go any further into this hole.
16:55And I had an epiphany during last season when things were going really, really bad.
17:00Why am I trying to dig out of this hole that I didn't create?
17:03I didn't want this quarterback situation.
17:05I didn't want to have four QBs.
17:07I didn't want to have a quote unquote red shirt year for the most popular quarterback
17:12coming out in the draft.
17:13I didn't want to do any of that.
17:15And I damn sure didn't want to take the guy that they're paying to not play.
17:18I didn't want to have him.
17:19So why am I trying to pull the nose up on that thing when I don't have to?
17:22So let me try to find a way forward instead of a way out.
17:25And that makes me being accused of wanting to tank.
17:28I don't want to tank.
17:29I want to keep my head low because I don't think that any one of these guys that are available
17:33are going to take this team and boom, put them at 11 and six and put them in the playoffs.
17:38I mean, the reality is it's going to take multiple years to dig out of the Deshaun tank.
17:42Exactly.
17:42Exactly.
17:43And I've said that and people get mad and I can't help that.
17:46And I also think there's a difference in like the people who just showed up with Shador,
17:50like I get why they hate me.
17:51I get it.
17:52I mean, whatever.
17:54Why do they hate you?
17:55Because they're not really football fans.
17:56They're Shador fans.
17:58So those people, I get why they would not take kind to what I'm saying.
18:03I think the people who have been here, the people who have been Cleveland sports fans
18:06for the last 15, 20 years who have followed what I've done, I think they look at this
18:10very, very differently than the people who just showed up.
18:13Jason, I have combed through the filth and the vile on YouTube.
18:16To find a question or comment, right?
18:21Shamby says, Jason is biased because he's never criticized Dylan Gabriel as much and as blatant
18:27as he does with Shador.
18:29What is your answer?
18:30I have said multiple times Dylan Gabriel is not the answer for this football team.
18:34Multiple times I've said Dylan Gabriel is not the bar against which we are measuring NFL
18:40quarterbacks or Browns quarterbacks.
18:41So that's just blatantly false.
18:42I like that question because I, can I answer it on my end, even though he's talking about
18:45you, we get accused of, why don't you, we, it's happened less and less now because when
18:51the front office isn't even talking about him in press conferences, you kind of, you
18:54kind of know where the score is, but it was, why aren't you guys talking about Dylan Gabriel?
18:59Because I got really nothing good to say.
19:01And I don't think that there's any, there's going to be any sort of a future.
19:03He got put into a terrible position, but terrible.
19:07But I think by people think Shador got put in a bad spot, Dylan got put in a worse spot.
19:10First off, he was overdrafted.
19:11I think we were all going, okay, well, that's not it.
19:13Yeah, he was overdrafted.
19:15He played too early.
19:16I mean, name the reasons for it.
19:18He needs a, he needs a clean break.
19:19Yes, he does.
19:20Like I thought Shador was at least worthy of having a conversation about Dylan.
19:23I did not think because of all the things I've said in the past and that's not trying
19:28to be mean.
19:29That's just being honest, as honest as I possibly can.
19:32I'd rather have the conversations about Shador than just about any of the other quarterbacks that
19:35have been out there.
19:36I have fun talking about him.
19:38That being put out there, no, I, I, I, as of right now, I don't think he's going to be
19:43the franchise quarterback long-term for this football team.
19:46I think that he will probably be a guy that's a developmental guy, but I don't think that
19:52we have what it takes to develop him.
19:54I beg your pardon.
19:55We are switching out this offensive line.
19:57I disagreed with Mary Kay last year.
19:59I'm not going to bring it up again, but I'm telling you, you don't see teams rotate guys
20:05without injury.
20:06Why I got hurt at the end of that game.
20:08We're rotating guys on the offensive line without injury.
20:11What are we trying to do here?
20:12You don't do that in front of quarterbacks that you think are going to give you a long-term
20:15answer for that position.
20:17You're not going to do that.
20:18They didn't do that with Patrick Mahomes, his second year in the NFL.
20:21They didn't do that with Josh Allen, his rookie year in the NFL.
20:23If there's injuries, if there's guys that are trying to play through injuries like a Landon
20:26Dickerson situation, they might do that.
20:29In Philadelphia, they've had to do that.
20:30They're not going to do that willy-nilly like that.
20:33And I disagreed with that then, and I'll always disagree with it now, because it's not a
20:36serious enterprise.
20:37When you have to switch up nearly all five offensive linemen through free agency because
20:42you couldn't plan ahead before, so you have to make good with it, that's not going to
20:45be good for your rookie, for your second year quarterback who was a fifth-round pick,
20:48who had trouble watching film, as you say, who has the things that you accuse him of,
20:53that puts him even further, or the sources that accuse him of, I should say, that puts
20:57him even further behind the eight ball.
20:59And then my best wide receiver is what?
21:00Moody, Jerry, Judy, and Isaiah Bond, who knows how to run about one round.
21:04Oh, and a jet sweep, so he can technically do kind of two, sort of, in a way.
21:09And I got Harold Fannin Jr.
21:11I can't throw to him on every down, now, can I?
21:15I do think because of circumstance, he's going to be left in the dust.
21:20Dylan, you're talking about?
21:21Shador.
21:22Shador.
21:22Oh, yeah.
21:22Shador.
21:23Yeah.
21:24If he was drafted, I hate to say, well, I can't use the Ravens as an example, because
21:28I think they're kind of messy right now.
21:30I thought they were messy even last year.
21:31I mean, all this, and we're going to go through the Lamar extension stuff.
21:34They were even asking DaCosta about them.
21:36I think they're messy.
21:37Had he been taken by a quality organization, a organization that has their ducks in a row?
21:44They should have gone to Baltimore.
21:45It's where he should or should have gone.
21:46But I can't even make the argument for Baltimore anymore.
21:49I think if he were taken by, I hate to say it, if he were taken by New England, if
21:55he
21:55were taken by Seattle, if he were taken by Green Bay, if he were taken by anything that
22:00is more stable than this, I think he'd have a better chance, because they're further along.
22:05At least with the talent that you have around you, you're further along.
22:08Because I know that he's able to take advantage of guys that he has around him, and I know that
22:12he's able to even elevate some of the play from college.
22:14But I don't think it's going to be enough time, and I think that by next offseason, next
22:18March, we're going to have these big conversations about all the usual suspects, Dante Moore and
22:24Arch Manning and Julian Sane and Lenora Sellers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, going into next
22:29year.
22:29Yeah, and part of this also, you kind of alluded to it, Browns haven't developed a quarterback
22:34in 30 years.
22:35You think they're going to get this one right?
22:37With all of the outside noise and everything else on it, they're going to get this one right?
22:43I have a very hard time believing that, and that's not an indictment on Chidor, that's
22:48an indictment on the organization.
22:50How close should I watch CJ Carr, by the way?
22:52I know I'm prone to being a Notre Dame fan.
22:54Owen, anything there?
22:55Okay, I'm just making sure, guys.
22:572-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
23:00Let me go to...
23:02I thought it was Jovan.
23:03It's not Jovan, it's Jovan.
23:05Jovan or Jovan?
23:08Jovan.
23:08I thought it was.
23:12Are you on speaker, Jovan?
23:14You got to get right up on the mic, Jovan.
23:15Come on.
23:18Are you there?
23:20Yeah.
23:21Okay.
23:22Is that better?
23:23It's a little bit better.
23:24Go right on ahead.
23:25All right.
23:26So, let me just say this.
23:31Mr. Jason Lloyd, can you hear me?
23:35He's got you.
23:37I got you.
23:37I got you.
23:38Jovan, come on.
23:38Let's go.
23:39Yeah, hurry up.
23:39Come on.
23:39All right.
23:40So, real quick.
23:41So, the problem for you, Mr. Jason Lloyd, is everything that you're saying, there are
23:48all pros and pros that break down film that can refute what you're saying, and we can see
23:54it.
23:55You're kind of acting like the government right now.
23:57You know what I'm saying?
24:00What are you watching in film that refutes what I'm saying?
24:06Because I can show you a Deshaun Kizer highlight reel from his rookie year, where you would
24:12think he's an all pro.
24:14Oh, I'm not talking about Deshaun Kizer.
24:16I'm talking about Shadua Sanders.
24:19There are different people on the internet that break down his film, and Chase Daniel,
24:27one of them.
24:27You know what I'm saying?
24:28Man, he's my quarterback from Missouri.
24:30He'd break down film to refute things that you say, and there are other quarterback coaches
24:36that break down, that refute what you're saying.
24:39Is Chase Daniel in the Browns locker room?
24:43So, I'm getting to that point right there.
24:46You better hurry up.
24:47There are other people online, whenever they say good things about Shadua, they bring names.
24:55You bring, I heard.
24:58Answer the man, Jason.
25:00I mean, I don't know what you want, other than my track record of 25 years.
25:04Like, I don't know what else to say.
25:06I mean, the people who say good things about Shadua, they name names, and we can see them
25:11online.
25:13The mystery people that you talk to, you won't put a name to whoever you're talking
25:17to.
25:18Okay.
25:20All right.
25:20Thoughts?
25:21No.
25:22You're not going to answer the man?
25:23What do you want me to say, Ken?
25:24Jovan, thank you very much for the call.
25:25I showed you the text during the break.
25:27I don't want to see the text.
25:28Did I show you the text during the break?
25:28I'm not answering that question.
25:30Did I show you the text during the break?
25:31I do not recall.
25:32Yes or no?
25:32I do not recall.
25:33Yes or no?
25:33Yeah, you saw the text.
25:35I used my right to invoke the Fifth Amendment.
25:38I've never had to say it, so I don't know how to say it.
25:41Like, come on.
25:43Jason, I think-
25:44Anybody could have sent you that text.
25:45Okay.
25:46I think what you don't want to say, but I'll just say it for you, knowing you, is you're
25:52a journalist, right?
25:53Yeah.
25:53Big J.
25:54There's a-
25:55It's a truth.
25:56We give him a lot of crap.
25:57He's a guy that's done this for a lot of years.
26:00There's a lot of people on the internet right now that are trying to become, you know, make
26:08themselves more aware in the space so that people will pay attention to them for their
26:13clicks and all of that things.
26:15You're not interested in the clicks, maybe?
26:18I'm not at all interested in the clicks.
26:20And so as a journalist, should you be giving up your sources?
26:22Probably not.
26:23Probably not.
26:23That's probably not the greatest thing to do.
26:25Probably not.
26:26Yeah, but I think you hit a very valid point there, Jason.
26:29I think with Joe Vaughn specifically, you're talking to a guy, Jason, who has been a Cleveland
26:34Sports Talk listener for, what, 10 months now?
26:38Yeah.
26:38Probably.
26:39Yeah.
26:40More than likely.
26:40It coincides with last year's draft?
26:42Well, that's what I said.
26:43Like, there's-
26:44I get why this should-
26:44And that's a lot of people that are-
26:46Well, Joe Vaughn's called in before, but not before Shadour is taken.
26:49Consistently for 10 months.
26:50Exactly.
26:51You are correct about that.
26:52And I do think that there are- I know you very well, and I can vouch for your character.
26:57I disagree with you about a lot of stuff.
26:59Like, when you were saying that- when you and I got into a knockdown drag out over the
27:02phone about cutting him, I went crazy.
27:05Okay, I'm glad you brought that up.
27:06I never said cut him.
27:07I said he should not be here.
27:09You trade him.
27:09He's great, right?
27:10He's got all this trade value.
27:11You trade him.
27:12Okay.
27:12If you're going to mince words here, then I ain't going to defend your character.
27:15I never said cut him.
27:16You said that.
27:17I never said that.
27:18Okay, you said he shouldn't be here.
27:19That is exactly what I said.
27:20And I said, who are you going to replace him with?
27:22And you said, what, anybody?
27:23I said, that's ridiculous.
27:25But why?
27:27Because-
27:27Why is it ridiculous?
27:28Because to me, nobody else is going to make the situation that much better.
27:32Who's realistic?
27:33Nobody else is going to make the situation that much better.
27:34So who else are you going to go to?
27:36Deshaun?
27:36Well, get ready for those conversations.
27:38You said that I get up all in my feelings because of the unhinged fringe, and that's ridiculous.
27:43And you know me better than that.
27:45You know me better than that.
27:46That's fair.
27:48But you have responded to them.
27:50When?
27:50You have talked about it before.
27:52When?
27:53On the phone yesterday.
27:54Go find my Twitter account and see where I've ever responded to anybody.
27:57You're not on Twitter.
27:58I'm not saying that you're responding on Twitter, but you're responding to it for me.
28:01I mean, when I'm sitting there at the end of the show and they're talking to me directly,
28:03I have to respond to them at that point.
28:05I'm not going to get in a Twitter fight with-
28:08I know that.
28:08I never accused you of doing that.
28:09I love farting 6969.
28:12Like, come on.
28:12Is that a new name?
28:13Because it's usually been Dennis 6969.
28:15Now Dennis has burgers.
28:19I love farting 6969.
28:21It's a hell of a name.
28:22Don't we all?
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