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00:00Okay, so this is the first big – this is really the first big decision
00:04that Browns fans have to make, okay?
00:07You want to take – I've heard it all.
00:09We got some Joel Klatt to play for you coming up here.
00:12I got some Jeff Phelps to play for you coming up here.
00:14We also – coming up a little bit later on,
00:15we got to talk about this Donovan Mitchell thing
00:17because he's having a fall from grace here in the month of February.
00:19Apparently, this is a year-by-year thing.
00:21Either way, are you just – are you focused –
00:25I think this is the first big conversation we need to have about the draft.
00:28Are you going offensive line or are you going wide receiver at number six
00:31right off the rip-go?
00:31Yes, all along it was for me, it must be offensive line that early.
00:35That's where you have to draft these guys
00:37because the fall-off is typically too substantial
00:40and there's always going to be receivers you can get at the end of the first round.
00:44But I'm starting to waver.
00:46Why?
00:48Man, I can't find anybody, first of all, who doesn't trash
00:52the elite level of all these positions in this draft.
00:55They're like, well, there's no Joe Walt.
00:57Oh, there's no Trevor Lawrence.
01:00Yeah, but they're saying the same thing.
01:01Oh, there's no Saquon Barkley running back.
01:02Oh, even though Love, I think, is pretty good.
01:04Who did we have a couple weeks ago?
01:05They were like, no, there's no – it was –
01:08Todd McShay.
01:08Todd McShay.
01:09Yeah.
01:09Who said there's no Jamar Chase in this draft.
01:11No Jamar Chase.
01:12Yeah.
01:12There's no anything in this draft.
01:14I'll fight fire with fire.
01:15Is this the worst draft in NFL history all of a sudden?
01:18Like, and we happen to have two picks in it?
01:20What happened?
01:21So my issue is this.
01:23It's not – I know I can get red-faced, and I know I can stand by my rules
01:28about how to build a football team and all that other crap.
01:31I'm not just going to take Monroe Freeling just because he plays left tackle.
01:34This scares the hell out of me.
01:35We're going from pick 24 possibly a couple of weeks ago, right before the combine,
01:40to possibly pick number six overall.
01:42And we're going to play some Joe Klatt for you coming up.
01:44The vaunted college football analyst, vaunted football analyst who –
01:50I mean, he's basically saying you're fixing to make yourself a tremendous mistake
01:54or a tremendous quote-unquote overreach.
01:57I can't do it.
01:59I can't do it.
02:01I'm not talking about Monroe Freeling.
02:03Honestly, I'm talking about quality.
02:05I'm talking about finding somebody that is going to play for my football team
02:11at a high level for the next decade, and I think I can find that in the top ten
02:17by not taking Monroe Freeling.
02:19And God bless him, maybe he ends up being a great player.
02:22It just seems to be too much too soon.
02:24Guys, I still have to process it.
02:25I'm not crossing him off the list.
02:27But when I've been talking about – and talking to people about CeCe Malinoa for eight months,
02:33when I've been talking to people about Spencer Feneau for eight months, it tends to sink in.
02:38It tends to sink in.
02:40And the rules of building a football team from the inside out tend to sink in.
02:44I got nothing against Carnell Tate.
02:46I got nothing against Makai Lemon.
02:48It makes this – I guess I got nothing against nobody.
02:50It makes this a hell of an argument because these are good players.
02:54And people love wide receivers.
02:56They're bored by offensive linemen.
02:58They don't see what offensive linemen do.
03:00I get – I know I'm going into a fist fight with one hand tied behind my back here.
03:05But because we have overestimated the tremendous jump of Monroe Freeling
03:13does not make me afraid enough to just go take a wide receiver.
03:182-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
03:20We have some audio for you to hear from Joel Klatt.
03:23Even Jeff Phelps had a strong opinion about all this yesterday.
03:26I want you guys to hear this, and maybe this will shape your opinions.
03:29Guys, this is the first big decision you really have to make.
03:31And I know we can sit here and talk about quarterbacks.
03:34The quarterbacks that were available, they took that decision from you.
03:37They didn't want to come here.
03:38Okay?
03:39So this is our first big decision.
03:41Jalen Waddell was out there apparently.
03:43I'm not that upset about it.
03:45You have a pick at number six.
03:47That's where it really starts.
03:48Who do you think is going to play for your football team and be better for you
03:52for a longer period of time at a higher level?
03:54Will it be an offensive lineman, one of these offensive linemen,
03:57or will it be a wide receiver?
03:58He sounded pretty damn frustrated.
04:00I got to tell you, he said he wasn't frustrated.
04:01He sounded frustrated.
04:03Sounds like the stuff you say to me to get me frustrated.
04:05I'm like, I'm not frustrated.
04:06Don't put it in the newspaper.
04:07I was mad.
04:08I was not mad.
04:09Well, we've always felt that, I at least thought going into this offseason,
04:13they were 100% going to take a wide receiver with either their six or,
04:18you know, what is it, their 26 pick?
04:19Uh-huh.
04:20And then I also thought they were going to trade for one.
04:22And so when the Waddle news came down yesterday,
04:25it got me really, really thinking about, you know,
04:27what type of wide receiver they would trade for.
04:30Because I don't know if I saw them, like, trading for a one
04:34and then also trying to draft somebody who could be a one.
04:37And I thought that would be a little bit of a stretch
04:40when it came to your resources.
04:41You only have so many resources to use.
04:43And you have, you know, not only the offensive line this year to work on,
04:47although they have certainly attacked it,
04:49you can't just think about this in terms of this year.
04:51You have to think about it over the next five years.
04:54So you still got to take offensive linemen.
04:56I don't know.
04:57I know that we've traded for a Dolphins wide receiver before,
04:59and he ended up paying off very nicely for us.
05:02And Jarvis Landry, I don't know if it,
05:04I don't want to sit there and compare him to him,
05:06but I wonder if the best years.
05:08I just don't know if he provides us what we need.
05:10How about that?
05:11I mean, he's 27, 28 years old.
05:13I just don't know if he provides us what we need in a number one.
05:16If we're going to argue about a wide receiver, guys,
05:18I'd much rather argue about taking a wide receiver at six
05:20than I would trading for Jalen Waddell or trading for anybody else
05:23or even picking up some free agents.
05:26That's where I stand on that.
05:28He's had some very, very, very nice years in the past.
05:31I think he had around 900 yards last year, 800, 900 yards last year.
05:34He had a solid season last season with the Dolphins while they struggled.
05:38That, to me, is not just the biggest issue of this.
05:42What scares me is what I want you guys to hear from Joel Klatt,
05:47because this would say that through 27 years,
05:52we just haven't learned our lesson.
05:55This is Joel Klatt on Up and Adams with Kay Adams.
05:58I think positional value always comes into it.
06:01I do think at the end of the day, when you're on the clock as an NFL organization,
06:06the ones that are doing it right select the best football players
06:10and they put them on their roster and then they become the best football players in the NFL.
06:16And the teams that get stuck into they have to fit the mold
06:20and they have to be the right value at the right pick
06:23and have their whole equation and this and that,
06:26they end up reaching and taking players that don't pan out.
06:30I'm a big believer that I'm more of a best available versus area of need.
06:35You know, like the Browns are going to be stuck in this one.
06:38I think the sixth pick in the draft is going to be the most interesting pick in the draft
06:41because I think that the Browns are going to get themselves stuck
06:44to the point where they desperately want and need to take an offensive tackle.
06:48I gave them Monroe Freeling, who's the best left tackle in the draft
06:52because he's a natural left tackle, whereas the two best tackles in the draft,
06:56Francis Maui Noah and Spencer Fano, are more right tackles.
07:00And I could just see Cleveland doing something like just reaching on a left tackle
07:04just because he plays left tackle.
07:07So I have to go through a crisis personally here or a change of thought.
07:11Not a crisis, but a change of thought.
07:12Let me ask you guys, 216-474-0092.
07:14We got two-second trivia coming up at 745.
07:16I want to try to get some people in here very, very quickly.
07:19First blush, first big decision that a Browns fan has to make.
07:22Do you want to go offensive line or I'll just boil it down.
07:25Do you want to go offensive line or do you want to go Carnell Tate?
07:28I'll say it that simply.
07:30I'm not trying to pigeonhole it here, but do you want to go?
07:34I mean, Makai Lemon will be there, but Carnell Tate's a really good wide receiver.
07:38Let's call it what it is.
07:39Carnell Tate's a really, really, really good wide receiver.
07:41He'd be fantastic.
07:42He'd be an easy number one on Ohio State had they not already had Jeremiah Smith.
07:46Jeremiah Smith is a freak of nature, but is he the right decision for this team?
07:50Because I have to change two trains of thought that I've known from basically my entire life
07:55talking about football and what I've been taught by football guys, quote-unquote,
08:00for the last 30 years.
08:02You should build a team inside out.
08:04You build it inside out.
08:06And I think one of the big watershed moments of that was the Jamar Chase draft.
08:13And I forget which year it was.
08:14It would have been by 2021, I think it was.
08:16You have a choice between Jamar Chase and Panay Sewell if you're Cincinnati.
08:20And they took Jamar Chase.
08:22And Jamar Chase has been fantastic for the Cincinnati Bengals ever since, all right?
08:26Easily their number one, one of the top wide receivers in all the NFL.
08:29You look at what the Detroit Lions have done.
08:31It ain't exactly like they've hurt with Panay Sewell.
08:34And it ain't like he's actually sucked up the room here.
08:37Right.
08:37And you wonder, what would it have been like for Burrow had he not have had Jamar Chase,
08:40who was instrumental in them getting to that Super Bowl and having a chance to win that Super Bowl.
08:45But you feel like elite quarterbacks, and Joe was playing at an elite level,
08:50they could create really good wide receivers out of a lot of average wide receivers.
08:55Well, that's the issue with this.
08:57And if he has time to throw, which now he has really not had over the last four years.
09:01One of the things that I can't guarantee, I think Shador Sanders will be better.
09:05How much better?
09:06Because I could have Carnell Tate just out there running wind sprints for no point, for no reason.
09:10And we're just losing football games.
09:12Hell, I could probably do the same with Deshaun Watts.
09:14The quarterback room, nobody has a lot of faith in,
09:16unless they are the biggest fans of each one of those guys.
09:19And we dealt with all three.
09:21One to a much larger scale, obviously.
09:24Yeah, really great wide receivers do not help bad football teams.
09:29By themselves.
09:30That's true.
09:30What I have to work with with you, and I'm going to bring up Ted McMillan here in a bit.
09:35I don't want to get ahead of myself here.
09:36What I have to work with with you, and what I have to work with with Owen,
09:39and what I have to do with every listener out there,
09:41I am not going to write it in stone today.
09:44I can't.
09:45It would be foolhardy.
09:46It would be silly.
09:47Honestly, I have to open up the conversation with everybody.
09:49Because what I'm preparing myself to do is to break one of the golden rules I've been talking about here
09:56for the last umpteen years to the point where you know where I'm going to go as soon as I
09:59say it.
10:00When I talk about offensive linemen, one of the most frustrating things that I hear
10:04is how we can just willy-nilly move all these guys all over the place,
10:07and it'll somehow figure it out.
10:08But we have seen over the last couple of years, because college football has changed,
10:14everything has changed, we have seen more guys switching positions than I think we've seen
10:21in quite a long time.
10:24Why do I have to take Monroe Freeling just because he's a left tackle?
10:28Why do I got to take him at six just because he's a left tackle?
10:32Which I know some folks are going to want to get in and say trade down.
10:35That's not the question.
10:36Say you don't have any takers about trading up to six.
10:39You've got to make a decision right now.
10:41Offensive line or Carnell Tate.
10:44Because this is my issue.
10:47Monroe Freeling has just shot up the board.
10:49Just because he plays left tackle.
10:51I know we have a hole there considering where we've gone,
10:54and we don't know.
10:55God, I wish we could say different.
10:56I don't know what DeJuan Jones is going to be able to do,
10:59because he's been injured, and he wasn't comfortable over at left tackle.
11:02He'd be willing to admit it.
11:03And he had no plans on playing left tackle before he was forced into doing it,
11:08before he opened his mind to it.
11:10Why can't I look at it and go, well, let's just play it.
11:13We can get two birds thrown at once.
11:14I need offensive linemen.
11:16What's my chances that a guy like Spencer Feneau
11:20plays for the next 10 years for my football team?
11:23I don't have to worry about it.
11:24He protects your door.
11:25He protects Arch Manning.
11:27He protects Drew.
11:29Whatever quarterback you want to say.
11:31He protects all those guys for the next 10 years.
11:34Same thing with CeCe Malanoa.
11:36What are the chances I'm going to get 10 straight solid seasons?
11:40I know we've got to start with one.
11:42What's the chances I'm going to get 10 straight solid seasons
11:45out of any wide receiver?
11:47I'm not trying to put the mouth on Carnell Tate.
11:49Oh, 100%.
11:49Also knowing how receivers are.
11:51It's going to be offensive line.
11:52Even the wide receivers that are, even if they're not that loud,
11:58they're not that, you know, brash or anything like that.
12:01Some of those guys, that just happens once they get into the NFL.
12:04Now, I know I'm arguing.
12:05You're right.
12:06And I'm arguing.
12:07I mean, there were plenty of guys.
12:08They just completely went nuts ever since they went to the NFL.
12:12I am fighting another battle here.
12:14Not just breaking one of my rules and just, hey, take an offensive lineman.
12:18You figure it out.
12:19Which is a terrible way to look at things, I understand.
12:21But if we're talking best player available and we are talking what the building blocks are,
12:25building a successful franchise, that's two things at once.
12:29The other thing of it is, is that I'm arguing for Andrew Barry to make an informed decision
12:35to a group of folks, Browns fans and myself included, who do not trust him very much.
12:40Because I'm going, well, we could look at it and take a wide receiver at number 24 if you wanted
12:45to.
12:45I look back at last year's draft.
12:47My goodness, Emeka Abuka had a wonderful season at pick number 19 for Tampa Bay.
12:52Noah's taking 23rd overall.
12:54Matthew Golden.
12:57Not a great year.
12:59Injury prone.
13:00Not a great year.
13:01Not a great season for Matthew Golden.
13:04It is, you look at pick number 34, by the way.
13:07I wrote this down.
13:08Jaden Higgins.
13:09Now, obviously, I'm prone to liking Jaden Higgins for obvious reasons.
13:12Had a fine season.
13:14Not, didn't go crazy when it came to stats, but had a fine season for a second round pick.
13:21I have to try to convince people, because I want to take an offensive lineman,
13:25because I can't change too much every day.
13:28It takes time to change people's opinions and minds.
13:32I might want to take an offensive lineman, but now to do that, I have to try to convince
13:36Browns fans to trust Andrew Barry to wait on a position that they've wanted.
13:42That's a popular position that would excite the fan base.
13:45And I know I am looking at a, I gotta be honest with you, I'm getting ready to argue against
13:51a seven-ton meteor here.
13:53That's what it's gonna be.
13:54I mean, I'm looking up at a great big argument that I know I'm gonna get devoured with.
13:57Well, Tate, look, the minute they take Tate, people are gonna go nuts.
14:00A, they've seen him, a lot of Ohio State fans in this area.
14:03He's a wide receiver.
14:04And he's a wide receiver, and looks good, and who cares about 40 time, like, we've seen
14:09him on the field.
14:10He looked plenty fast, and I think he'll be fine at the next level as well.
14:14So there's a lot to like.
14:16Now, six in a normal draft, is Carnell Tate going six?
14:19No.
14:19I mean, if he was in next year's draft, there's nobody on the planet who's taking him ahead
14:23of Jeremiah Smith, obviously.
14:25And quite frankly, I think there are a bunch of Ohio State wide receivers he probably wouldn't
14:29have gone ahead of.
14:30But he's in this draft, and he's the number one.
14:32So I don't want to get, I don't want to let that cloud me either.
14:35And that's why, yes, I think the Browns are probably fielding every offer in the book
14:39to trade out a six.
14:40But in the end, you know, who is giving real capital away in this draft when we're being
14:46told there's not the obvious offensive lineman, there's not the obvious wide receiver, there's
14:50not the obvious quarterback.
14:52There isn't.
14:53Even a pass rusher.
14:54But guys, even the perfect ones, even the one that we think of right off the rip, he had
14:58his bugaboos.
14:59You remember, very few people remember when Joe Thomas came out.
15:02Seemed like a slam dunk.
15:03Browns are going to take him number three overall.
15:05He's going to be plug.
15:06He's going to be play.
15:07He's going to play for us.
15:08There was still, well, what about his arms?
15:10His arms are short compared to other left tackles.
15:13You can look that one up.
15:14Joe has mentioned it a couple times.
15:16He doesn't think it matters.
15:17It didn't matter to him.
15:18It might matter to other people.
15:19I mean, John Dorsey, Bill Callahan have been crazy about arm length, things like that.
15:23But if I'm drafting right now, which I'm not, if I had to make the decision right
15:28now, I think I got to go with a Spencer Feneau and wonder what I can do with my offense
15:33because
15:33I can go, okay, I can play multiple positions here.
15:36I can put guys in different positions.
15:38If we're just talking about putting the best players on the field, then I need to put the
15:42best five there on the field when it comes to offensive line.
15:44This is completely different than what I've been saying.
15:47But I know that still the building blocks of what's supposed to be a successful franchise
15:51is inside out, meaning I don't start with my wide receivers.
15:56I don't start there.
15:58That's historically been that.
15:59And I can't just say, Bears, Bears, Bears, Bears, Bears.
16:02The Bears did it this way.
16:03That's one.
16:04They made the playoffs.
16:05We want to see them long term.
16:06I can't do that just yet.
16:08Carnell Tate's a fantastic player.
16:10I don't think that he's going to be a bust.
16:11I got nothing negative to say about the guy.
16:14Nothing at all.
16:14But when it comes to building this football team, I got to think not just for this year.
16:18I got to try to think over the next 10 years.
16:20This is a top 10 pick.
16:22It's extremely important.
16:23And I am more comfortable taking the offensive lineman.
16:27I'm not going to take Monroe Freeling there right now.
16:30I do not feel that way towards him.
16:31It's too much.
16:32It's too soon.
16:33It feels like too much hype.
16:34And I need to go back to what actually happened on the field because all the measurables are there.
16:39And I hate talking about measurables.
16:41But I know what I saw with Spencer Finneau and what I saw with C.C.
16:44And this is a question where I know we're at the end of the segment.
16:47It's a question we're going to be talking about a lot.
16:49Does it matter more whether a guy can play right away or how they project?
16:54Because that's always the age-old question in the draft.
16:57And there's no doubt that he is not better than any of these guys right away on day one.
17:04But if you like your offensive coordinator or your coach or your offensive line coach,
17:09isn't it about how they project over the next five years?
17:13Of course.
17:13Not how good they are in week one.
17:14Of course.
17:15Because we've seen a lot of left tackles get swallowed up week one that end up having good NFL careers.
17:19It's about where they project.
17:21Yeah.
17:21Oh, I mean, good God.
17:22I thought Jed Wills was pretty solid his first year.
17:26I thought that, obviously, I mean, Austin Corbett ended up having a career after he was a mess his first
17:32season.
17:32I mean, there's been guys who they pick it up the second time around.
17:35It's almost like quarterbacks anymore where they pick it up the second place
17:39and they end up having a decent career or they end up doing something great.
17:42So, let's get started.
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