00:00The honeymoon is over.
00:02It's a good while it lasted.
00:03What do we get in?
00:05Two weeks of practice?
00:06Week and a half?
00:06I'm so...
00:07Ten days.
00:08I'm already...
00:08Just name...
00:09If you want to, just name Deshaun the starter and let's get going.
00:13I'm dead serious.
00:14He's not going to.
00:15Like, you gotta see what they do in the preseason.
00:17I get all that.
00:18But, I don't know.
00:20I'm getting pretty damn sick and tired of coming here.
00:23No, I'm not really even ripping you.
00:25I know you're having fun with it.
00:27I mean, you are completely unbothered.
00:31But, like...
00:34I wake up in the middle of the night.
00:36I got 30 text messages.
00:38I got friends sending me videos of some guy on the internet.
00:44I'm supposed to...
00:45I'm like, I'm not responding to any of this crap.
00:47I don't care.
00:49Can we...
00:50Can we...
00:50I'm not the only one accepting reality here.
00:54I'm not the only one.
00:55I know, again, there's reality in real life to real Browns fans.
01:01And then there's whatever's going on over the internet.
01:04And I cannot stress this enough.
01:07Yeah, you know who I want to start.
01:09But I will accept the reality of a coach who is a first-time head coach.
01:14Knowing the nature of the business.
01:16And needing to win.
01:17And so, if a veteran is able to get them in and out of the huddle.
01:20And knows a little bit more of things.
01:22I'm willing to accept the reality.
01:24And I'd spend this entire way, the entire off-season.
01:28And ask this guy who loves to make me look bad.
01:30So, I'll just say this and I'll lay out for you.
01:33I'm not going to end friendships.
01:36I'm not going to tell people to bleep off.
01:39I'm not going to get worked into a shoot.
01:43When I know that the quarterback of the future is playing college football right now.
01:48Or is in a college football camp right now.
01:51I will have the arguments.
01:53We will have the fun of the fights.
01:56I know what they did.
01:58You know what they did.
01:59The American people know what they did.
02:01They are not expecting to set the world on fire.
02:05If they win some games, great.
02:06If they don't, we're getting ready for 2027.
02:09So, I'm not going to sit there and block people on phones.
02:13And say that we're no longer friends over something I don't believe in.
02:19I'll wait until the winner to do that.
02:21When we actually have arguments about who to take number three overall.
02:25Or number five overall.
02:27Or whether or not we should trade up.
02:28Because as Anthony loves to say, you can't trade up over number one.
02:31Which is a great line, by the way.
02:33Like, I just, I'm getting really tired of getting.
02:37It's not your fault.
02:38I'm not ripping you, man.
02:39I'm really not.
02:39You can rip me.
02:40I'm so exhausted by the daily briefing I'm getting in the morning.
02:46I love it.
02:46About what happened last night.
02:48I love it so much.
02:49It's not, you're just jumping in.
02:51See, that's the thing.
02:52His kids are too small.
02:53So, all he has to do is take them to the park and then sit at home all day.
02:58Like, I've been through that.
02:59Like, now, when they get a little older, you won't have time for this Twitter stuff.
03:02And all these people arguing with you on this fake website that one guy could turn off at any time
03:07he wants.
03:08So, I've said my piece.
03:09Go ahead.
03:09Kenny, this was such a fun soap opera to throw a few tweets out and enjoy my weekend.
03:18Oh, let's take a look here.
03:19I got the bill.
03:20By the way, great restaurant recommendation yesterday in Vermilion.
03:24Owen came through big time.
03:26I know my area.
03:26What a great, that's like Newport, Rhode Island, come to Northeast Ohio.
03:30I had no idea of Vermilion.
03:31It's real nice.
03:32I knew about the Sharps.
03:33I didn't run into any of the Sharps.
03:35But I was right there, catty-cornered to them.
03:37We can see who goes out and looks for woolly bears in the fall.
03:40Oh, my gosh, Kenny.
03:42I've been there three times.
03:43And every time I go, I want to go right back.
03:45I could not believe.
03:46What a picture perfect.
03:48I mean, until the kids lost their minds.
03:49Every year it gets harder and harder to leave.
03:50And then I think my wife was none too happy about more tweets, more tweet checking that happened
03:56yesterday.
03:56Because...
03:57Well, when you got people making videos about you and all that other stuff.
04:00Well, it's incredible.
04:01Because...
04:01For the love of God.
04:02I set what I believe to be just for some fun internet banter, some fodder.
04:08I went after the Shador fans when they turned on Todd Munkin.
04:12Because I saw it.
04:13I saw all the usual suspects.
04:14Some of them are, like, literally best friends with Shador Sanders.
04:19They were going after Dylan Gabriel.
04:20They were going after Todd Munkin.
04:22They wanted him traded.
04:23All because of this...
04:25Traded?
04:26Are we calling it...
04:27What are you trading him for?
04:28Are we calling it a lie?
04:30What are we calling what Todd Munkin did on Saturday?
04:35It didn't necessarily tell the truth.
04:37Okay.
04:38So I can't...
04:39Did he misspeak?
04:40Because he definitely...
04:41What he said was not what happened with the reps.
04:44Did something happen?
04:45Does he not get the grace of being able to explain himself today?
04:48Yeah.
04:49It's just that's the problem.
04:50Getting the chance to explain himself?
04:51When they speak before practice.
04:52Well, you got 48 hours to explain yourself.
04:54So you better cook up something decent, shouldn't you?
04:56Yeah.
04:57Yeah.
04:57Or you can just look at it and go, you know what?
05:00I can expect Todd Munkin to go out there today and just go, yeah.
05:03One guy has been better at getting him in and out of the huddle.
05:05We got a preseason game coming up.
05:06That guy's going to start the preseason game.
05:08We got to get going.
05:09Is that wrong?
05:11Yeah.
05:11Yeah.
05:12That's wrong?
05:12No.
05:12No.
05:12You can do that.
05:13You can do that.
05:14It's just, you know, the coach called...
05:16We know the coach has been on social media, but he's certainly not getting involved in
05:19this mess.
05:21I wonder if Todd Munkin knows what's going on behind the scenes.
05:23Like, where Shador's right-hand man has to do not one, but two videos and then has
05:29to do his live stream at night where he has to answer to all this.
05:32And then Deshaun Watson's quarterback coach then presumably went after the people in
05:38Shador's camp.
05:39And so this is all going on.
05:41And I wonder, yeah, you could tell me this is 2026 and all the quarterbacks have a brand
05:45now and this is just going to be the future.
05:47I mean, they do.
05:48But I don't see this happening anywhere else.
05:50Now, we're not as close to it.
05:51I don't know the J.J.
05:52McCarthy.
05:53And I don't know exactly how that's going on with Kyler Murray.
05:56I don't know if they have factions or film crews or preachers or apparently the mother
06:03of my ex-radio partner.
06:05I don't know what's going on with any of that, but everybody has a platform now.
06:08And so I'm enjoying this because I'm not necessarily as invested in the guy.
06:14Because like you said, Kenny, like you started the show, like most likely the future quarterback
06:21of the Browns is where right now he's on a college campus, most likely that doesn't
06:26mean that I have given up on Shador.
06:29I will be honest.
06:29I have given up on Deshaun Watson.
06:31So when he had the two stellar practices back to back, it surprised me because I mean, it
06:37seemed like he couldn't play football anymore.
06:39So maybe, maybe we did go a little too far in condemning him as even being able to play
06:45the position.
06:46So I'm trying to keep an open mind on that.
06:48I mean, I did see a bunch of nice throws and some playmaking again.
06:53It's, it's, it's still practice.
06:55It's not the joint practice.
06:56I mean, if he was doing that against the bills or even the preseason game against the
07:01second teamers for Chicago on Saturday, maybe, maybe I'd get a little, a little juiced
07:07because you should be excited about football this time of year.
07:09How are you not excited about Casey Concepcion?
07:12How are you not excited about Denzel Boston Mason Graham?
07:15I mean, there's plenty.
07:16There actually is coming from me.
07:18How about Spencer Fano and Jared Verst getting into it?
07:20Amazing.
07:20That was awesome.
07:21Which I thought, what would we have said if that was Judevian Clowney?
07:25Because I did see, no, this is actually a good teammate.
07:29This is actually a good teammate.
07:30This is good that he did this.
07:31And I'm like, well, would you have said that if it was Judevian Clowney?
07:33Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
07:34Now, you and I are very close and we say nasty things about each other, things that people
07:38will not say in, in, in public and probably for good reasons.
07:41Obviously you and I get into it very nastily.
07:45Now they could be very good friends and that happens.
07:46I don't know if that's such a, it's a big issue as we make it out last week that they
07:51were actually working together.
07:53They're working, they're working even closer together.
07:55It's funny because I, I saw people use that little skirmish to say what a great team they
08:02have.
08:02And I'm like, well, if it would have been Judevian Clowney, you would have said, why did
08:04they bring him in?
08:05That is funny.
08:06I would have said that.
08:06It is funny how we, we can do that, but they, they, one guy has a track record of
08:10being a pretty good teammate so far in his career.
08:12He's only been around for two years.
08:13The other one is Judevian Clowney.
08:15So even though people took his side in the miles Garrett, they flip-flopped on that one.
08:19Anyway, that's over.
08:20That's all done.
08:21We have exciting, exciting young players.
08:23I mean, Boston does seem like he's going to walk in and be able, I'm not going to say
08:28pro bowl right off the bat or all pro, but he looks, looks the part.
08:31There's no doubt.
08:32Harold Fannan now is, is healthy.
08:34Yes.
08:35I just want to make sure when I talk about the wide receivers, like I really like what
08:38I've seen on the wide receivers clearly, but I just want to make sure that we're not just
08:43comparing them because we've had a dearth of wide receivers here over the last four years
08:47and that three years.
08:48And then we, all of a sudden we get wide receivers and now it's like, Oh my gosh.
08:51It's like, well, yeah, that that's what the rest of the league has to work with.
08:55Maybe the Justin Jeffersons of the world.
08:57Maybe they're not there.
08:58Jamar chases, et cetera, et cetera.
09:01Uh, but they, they, they look like they got some, uh, some real promise.
09:06So all I'm saying is Ken, like I was not as invested in the QBs as everybody else who
09:11was monitoring the stats, the trackers, every single throw.
09:15I mean, you know, I'll watch, I'll watch the throws and yeah, I don't know.
09:19Did something happen to Shador?
09:20Or because like a last year I saw him throw plenty of spirals and this year, this year
09:25it's just not been the case.
09:27Like Dylan Gabriel looks like he's throwing a better spiral.
09:29You don't know where the Dylan Gabriel spirals are going.
09:31Like you have no idea where they're going, but that ball comes off like an NFL quarterback.
09:36You just don't want to see where it ends.
09:38Uh, Watson, Watson threw all those interceptions.
09:41I should or didn't throw as many interceptions.
09:42I think cause he wasn't throwing the ball.
09:44Like, I think that was part of the issue for Todd is that he, he wasn't really being able
09:49to get rid of the ball.
09:50Todd did say that Shador has come further along than any quarterback, which made me think,
09:55man, you're either overcompensating or you thought Shador sucked when you took over.
10:00Because anytime we criticize Shador, we would get lambasted by the entire Shador fan base.
10:06Todd Munkin was like, I've never seen a quarterback improve this much.
10:10Well, what did you think he was when he, when he took over?
10:12You must've thought he was the worst quarterback in NFL history.
10:15He must not have thought very highly of him.
10:16Or, or, or is he building them up?
10:18Is he, you know, these are the things that we don't know enough about Todd Munkin.
10:23We say straight shooter, straight shooter, straight shooter.
10:25But then I saw people going after him.
10:28Well, now he's a liar.
10:29Now, now that's it.
10:30He's damaged his credibility.
10:31Let's see how he explains himself today before we go throwing around the L word for crying
10:36out loud here.
10:37I mean, that's a pretty strong thing to say.
10:39So I want to know what any possibilities there are.
10:41The only thing I'm going to point out is that this is why I look at, look at that stupid
10:45website very, very, very infrequently during the, during the weekend, because my weekend
10:49is going to be my weekend.
10:51Damn it.
10:51And if something big happens and fine, but I ain't going to sit there and get into tussles
10:55with personal friends of quarterbacks and God knows what else you had.
10:59Some guy, I wake up this morning.
11:01I went up, woke up, went to use the bathroom, came back.
11:05I got like 30 text messages, all showing some video of some friend going after you, or I
11:10didn't even watch the damn video.
11:11So I don't even know what the hell happened.
11:13So it's, it's every damn day in the morning.
11:17Well, did you see what happened yesterday?
11:18It's like, no, I didn't.
11:19And frankly, I don't care anymore.
11:21It's in the Browns hands.
11:23This guys, this is not a political campaign.
11:27This is not Nixon in 72.
11:30One guy makes the decision.
11:32So a political campaign, I can't sit there and get into the rhetoric of all these things
11:38and all this crap of what's going on.
11:40Cause it's not a vote.
11:44Lord, it's exhausting.
11:46I still got five days until the first preseason game and getting all this crap about all this
11:52other stuff.
11:53It's ridiculous.
11:54Excuse my language or my voice cracking.
11:58I should say.
12:00So he's looking, see, he's looking at the damn website right now over there.
12:03I mean, what are we doing here?
12:05I'm done.
12:06I'm the, you want to start Deshaun Watson, start Deshaun Watson.
12:09You want to start your door, start your door.
12:11You want to start Dylan Gabriel.
12:12I'd be a little surprised.
12:13Start Dylan Gabriel, but I'm not going to sit here and have this stupidity over this website
12:17with people who have never heard me and don't care to hear me.
12:21And I don't give a damn to hell with them.
12:22I told you before to hell with them.
12:23I'm not going to get down in the mud with any of this silliness when I don't believe half of
12:27them are even real.
12:29Oh, the only thing I know that's real is that the Browns going to play football later on
12:32this year and I want them to win.
12:34And if they don't, we'll see you at the draft.
12:35It's that simple.
12:36So I'm not going to fake some sort of passion about something that I don't care about anymore.
12:41And I don't.
12:42It does sound like you're more open-minded than you were last week on Deshaun Watson
12:46starting week one.
12:47Because I know.
12:49What do you mean by that?
12:50Well, it seemed like you had closed the book, had no interest whatsoever.
12:53Like you weren't going to protest.
12:55There are people who said they're not going to watch the Browns.
12:57No, I'm never going to protest of it.
12:58I don't think that he's a future for this franchise.
13:02I wanted somebody who was going to be the least likely amount of time wasted.
13:06And I thought that Shador might be the least likely amount of time wasted there.
13:10But if he can't take the job, he can't take the job.
13:14So I'm just, I'm willing to accept reality.
13:17So I need to hear Todd Munkin about this.
13:21But if you've said that he's going to get the first team reps and then he doesn't get
13:25the first team reps, I need to know what happened.
13:27Was he healthy?
13:28Was Shador healthy during practice?
13:30So maybe I can mark that down as a non-starter.
13:34The other thing we're missing from that, and Mary Kay reported that they did a walk-through
13:38at noon and Deshaun knew at noon he was going to get the first team reps.
13:42And then Todd spoke at 1245 and said Shador would be getting the first team reps.
13:49Deshaun knew 45 minutes before Todd said the other thing.
13:53Oh, that's interesting.
13:54Can I speculate?
13:55He tried to throw off the defense.
13:57Of course.
13:57You got to go win the day.
13:58Maybe.
14:00Maybe there's a speculation.
14:01That's what Burse got into.
14:03Yeah, is that what spilled over?
14:05You guys lied to us.
14:07Does he not want to have to answer why that Deshaun Watson got the first team reps publicly
14:13yet?
14:13That's going to be a great question at like 1215 today.
14:16Why didn't you tell us when you talked to us that allegedly Deshaun Watson knew at noon
14:20that he was going to be getting the first team reps for the day?
14:22It was exclusive, right?
14:24He did not work with the second team.
14:25He only worked with the first.
14:28Does Todd, does he have a responsibility to tell the truth in these press conferences?
14:36No.
14:37Does he owe it to anybody?
14:38Does he owe it to the team?
14:39He's not under oath, is he?
14:40Does he owe it to his players?
14:41Does he owe it to the fans?
14:43Is he under oath?
14:44No.
14:45I don't think they, did they bring a Bible out?
14:46I haven't been out there this year.
14:48I don't know if they start every session.
14:49Boy, that would be great.
14:51That'd be a new wrinkle.
14:52They did hire a bailiff, which was weird.
14:54Judge Watner stands there.
14:55Rusty walks up with the Bible, the whole thing.
14:58I mean, I've lied a lot, but you put a Bible in front of me, that changes everything immediately.
15:03Even if my life depended on it in court, it changes everything.
15:06What are you trying to say, Tone?
15:08I'm just saying, just that book, that book and my hand on it, and then looking people
15:12in the eye, the oath.
15:13Boy, are you ready to call Watson the start of it?
15:16It does seem like everything is pointing in that direction.
15:21It almost seems like Todd just needed to see one or two good days.
15:26It does seem to me like he thinks Deshaun right now has a higher ceiling, and if all goes
15:34well, they could be more productive.
15:37I think also the whole thing about, hey, you can go from Deshaun pretty seamlessly into
15:42Shador as opposed to the other way around.
15:45Especially with those first two games on the road.
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