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00:03The Kindamo family is struggling to come to terms with all this horror. They move forward with grief,
00:09but we move on. There are Maria and Ferdinando's three children to look after. Pina, Vincenzo and his
00:15wife Gabriella takes care of them, while Vincenzino, the eldest of Maria's three children,
00:21He's an important figure for the sisters now. When he comes here they don't let him go out, they don't let him go.
00:27They kidnap him, they just don't let him go out, they don't let him study, nothing. He really dedicates himself
00:34to them and them, my goodness. And the male figure? Yes, the male figure. Yes, of course, of course.
00:43Vincenzo Punturiero, a nutritional sciences graduate student, doesn't hold back.
00:47if there's a hand to be given at his uncle's bar. Everyone calls him Vincenzino, this boy from
00:52Twenty years old, life has demanded a lot of him, and quickly. And it has dictated his roles. Brother
00:57eldest, but also a father, despite himself. Because his younger sisters are not yet
01:02Adults, they need a dad and a mom. But dad's gone, and mom's gone, too. Vincenzo
01:09He's busy with exams and his old life. Today he lives in Cosenza and whenever he can, he comes back from
01:14family of the mother and little sisters, in Laureana di Borrello.
01:17Let's say he knew the truth right away and considers me, together with my uncle and aunt, a reference.
01:29certainly very important. Almost a father. Almost a father, so much so that he also shared
01:35a post writing an immense good, my hero, refer to me. So with c***o there is always
01:44this was a good relationship, as well as with the youngest ***a, who did not know
01:50the complete truth until recently.
01:54Meanwhile, Maria's story cannot be just a story closed within the confines of a small
01:59municipality of the Gioia Tauro plain. Indeed, from that 6th May 2016 a new wave seems to have been born
02:05of collective consciousness. Mary's story is the story of all women overwhelmed by
02:10violence, from a culture that offends women in their dignity.
02:14And they are women who rediscover their lost dignity. I want to dedicate it to Mary and to all
02:22and to all the women who didn't make it.
02:40Chiarella Mannoia remembered her in a concert. And if many think of Maria, none of those
02:46who know, has revealed nothing so far.
02:49Let them speak, and tell us where my daughter is. They believe me.
02:58Let them say something, let them repent. Let them think not of my heart, but of the hearts of the
03:07children. May someone repent of what they've done. May they give us, but only anonymously.
03:19Nothing, I don't know. I'm crying for my daughter and I think, God, no. It's not fair because
03:30Maybe it's just around the corner. Because sometimes I get this idea. And it's bad. Bad.
03:43As you spoke, you told me all this and much more. Every time, you looked me up and down.
03:51Because you didn't think I would have the courage one day.
03:58And I felt like I was stuck at square one. Like I was never capable of being enough for myself.
04:06Of not being certain. Of not being up to it.
04:13This sounds like the plot of a movie, a bookseller who goes to a friend's wedding, toasts
04:19with them. It's in all the photographs, especially the ones of the toast, and then it disappears. Unfortunately
04:25It's not a movie and Giuseppe Marchetti continues to be a young man who has disappeared. The report
04:31by Giuseppe Rinaldi with Francesco Paolo Del Re and Paolo Orsucci.
04:41What happened to Giuseppe Marchetti, known as Beppe? Two and a half years have passed since
04:47disappeared, but no trace of him. Beppe Marchetti.
04:54Beppe, 40, with a degree in philosophy and a master's degree in journalism, begins working at Il Manifesto.
05:00But in June 2014 he decided to abandon his profession as a journalist and opened a bookshop
05:07in Turin with two of his friends, Ilaria and Silvia. For him, it's a dream come true.
05:14The dream is to open a place and manage it ourselves, a place that has books, that organizes
05:24book-related events.
05:26Hello everyone, welcome to this evening. As you know, it's an evening of poetry recitation.
05:36On Saturday, November 15, 2014, Beppe left Turin by train for Bologna. He got married.
05:42a very dear friend of his. The wedding reception was held in a farmhouse on the
05:48hills of Bologna. The people who were with him at the wedding that day remember him in
05:54different way. Some say he was happy and enthusiastic.
05:58The mother of the groom, when we spoke to her, told us that he was a bit of an entertainer.
06:02of his table, in short.
06:04Others, however, remember him as sad and melancholic. How was Beppe really feeling that day? It's important.
06:12to this particular because they are the moments preceding his disappearance.
06:17Beppe has always been an extremely sociable person, but with some great dark sides,
06:26even sudden ones. I don't see two different people, I see Beppe.
06:31That evening, around 10, 11 after the wedding was over, Beppe could have
06:38stay overnight at this farmhouse, but he prefers to leave, to leave on foot.
06:47It's a November night, it was raining. That's not unusual.
06:54No. Anyone who knew Beppe, all the friends who talked to each other afterwards, it was Beppe.
07:00I mean, it's Beppe. It's a complete mess, we all said it.
07:04It was quite a few kilometers, huh?
07:06Yes, but it wasn't a problem. I mean, it was never a problem.
07:12Beppe, first of all, a great walker, a free spirit and above all a bit crazy.
07:18He wanted to get to the train on time, even if he had slept at the farmhouse.
07:23He couldn't do it, so he just walked away.
07:32The next day he had to go back to Turin because you had an appointment.
07:37We were presenting a book, we said we all have to be there.
07:42And so he said yes, but I come back in the morning, I go home, we have to feed the cat and then I come
07:47to the club.
07:48One of the hypotheses that have been made is that that evening, walking in the dark, along a road he did not know,
07:57Beppe may have fallen and hurt himself.
08:01These hypotheses, however, disappeared in the days and weeks that followed for various reasons.
08:09When we were there there was a significant deployment of forces.
08:14And then the molecular dogs left, because we went to Bologna specifically to bring Beppe's clothes for
08:20start the molecular dogs,
08:22who did not follow the path on which the research had initially focused,
08:27which was simply the one through which Beppe had climbed.
08:30But they followed another road with much fewer rocks and reached the main road.
08:43The other element that excludes the hypothesis of an accident is that there are testimonies.
08:52That same evening and perhaps in the following days, someone sees Beppe around Bologna.
08:57A witness would give it around 11, 11.30 pm, so theoretically also right in terms of times.
09:07to go down,
09:08in a bar in verses I don't remember what, and this waitress would have recognized him in this bar.
09:18Therefore excluding this hypothesis, that of the accident, and perhaps also excluding the hypothesis of the hit-and-run driver,
09:27because the body should have been found there. What happened?
09:32The idea, but the current one, that I have, that I firmly believe in, is that Beppe is still somewhere
09:40Now.
09:42So you think he's alive?
09:45Yes.
09:47To turn off some lights, if you feel like falling asleep, just give me a nod and I'll turn them back on.
09:53Did Beppe leave voluntarily, did he run away?
09:57No, no, no.
09:58Neither Silvia nor I can imagine him leaving us lightly six months after opening the place,
10:07just like that, without even an answer, because Beppe is a person who can be anointed.
10:20In my opinion, Beppe has lost his way and it is a loss that has to do with a pathology that
10:36It's probably a mental illness,
10:42in the sense that it is a loss of this type, that before the factual loss we have experienced this failure to find ourselves
10:52in himself and therefore not being able to return.
11:02I hope someone has seen him around, it's been a long time since we've seen any photos of him,
11:11that is no longer seen,
11:13We don't even know if it looks even more similar to the photos or not in reality.
11:17Sometimes photographs can be deceiving, there is a detail that can remain in mind, it can be useful, what
11:28And?
11:29Beppe has a very particular posture, a way of walking.
11:33The walk, the swaying, with the arms alongside the body is a trait that catches the eye.
11:47If you think that real booksellers are extinct, you have never met Beppe Marchetti.
11:56Would your friend be happy to know that someone is looking for him?
12:03Let's find him and ask him.
12:14This year we had to deal with two missing women from a cruise ship.
12:19The first was a passenger, Belling's wife, Belling is German, she is Chinese,
12:24he was arrested right here in Rome as he was leaving for his country.
12:30The other woman works on the MSC Musica cruise ship, she works there, she is a cleaner and she is
12:38a young Brazilian woman.
12:40What's happening? There's a shift change on the 18th, it's June 18th, there's a shift change.
12:45on duty,
12:46the ship must arrive in Venice, then it must leave Venice again to arrive in Brindisi,
12:51She is not on the ship but the alarm does not go off immediately.
12:54It will only go off at night around 3am when the companion who shares the cabin says
13:00but Simone still hasn't returned to the cabin, what happened?
13:04She was last seen at 6.20am.
13:07What happened on that ship?
13:10Marina Borromiti managed to speak with a friend and colleague about this missing young Brazilian woman.
13:16who says there were arguments inside before the disappearance.
13:23When you last saw Simone, where was he?
13:28I saw her during working hours on Deck 7.
13:31Simone was cleaning the bathrooms, she was talking to the supervisor, she was very nervous.
13:37I heard Simone say, I don't need help, I'll clean the bathrooms.
13:41But he told her, go go, clean, clean, now everyone will help you.
13:47And so she told the boss, don't worry, I'm leaving today anyway.
13:52But the fact that she was nervous is normal for me, because the work on the ship is very hard.
13:58I also think Simone was nervous about another situation, one that wasn't work-related.
14:03What situation?
14:06Simone broke up with her boyfriend.
14:08Two days before her disappearance, Simone had lunch with me and another friend and spoke to us
14:13of this situation.
14:14He told us, I'm done with my boyfriend, because there's another woman, who calls him every time
14:19in the cabin,
14:20She leaves notes under his door and he does nothing.
14:23She said, I'm tired of this, I don't want this for myself, I don't need it.
14:29But then what happens? Simone, his parents find out, disappears from that ship,
14:35leaving all his things on that ship.
14:37That is, she disappears with a pair of blue shorts, a T-shirt and a pair of sandals and that's it.
14:43And the badge, that is the card, the one he has to work on the ship,
14:48which he would have had to pass through to get off that ship anyway.
14:51You can think not only of the worry, the desperation of the relatives who are on the other side of the ocean,
14:57in Brazil. And so Paolo wanted to make an appeal to viewers, to those who saw it. Let's hear it.
15:06Simone, if you are going to summer I will sell these plans, so you are going to be summer, with that you are going to be summer,
15:13we would like to know your news.
15:15Then this family loves you, this family is proud of you
15:20and we really want a simple answer, because this is an anguished thing,
15:26I'm feeling a desperate thing for us to hear from you.
15:31Enter, please, if you want to sell this reportage, I'm selling this report,
15:38In contact with me I know that we will be free to receive you again.
15:47Now we are talking about a little girl, a really little girl, because Angela is only 14 years old,
15:52It's 6pm, she was at her brother and sister-in-law's house,
15:56he sets off to return to his home, he leaves the town centre,
16:00he starts down a country road and disappears.
16:03Angela Ponte disappears like this, as if she had been swallowed up by the darkness,
16:08and instead it is not like that, if this girl never arrived home,
16:13someone must have made it disappear.
16:1517 days after the disappearance, an indirect phone call arrives to our program,
16:21there were family members, there was Donatella Raffai, who spoke with the viewer,
16:26who was a carabiniere.
16:28He says, I saw this girl in Giarre.
16:31Let's hear it.
16:33See what was said about that girl Angela?
16:36Yes.
16:36I met that girl at 7:30 pm in Giarre.
16:42Yes.
16:42Precisely on Corsitalia.
16:44In the village.
16:45Exactly, in the village.
16:46Did he have any reason to go to Giarre?
16:51No, completely.
16:53So, ask him something to see if it's really her.
16:57What color were the shoes, basically?
17:00It was a pair of brown loafers.
17:01Yes.
17:03And jeans and colored blues, but colored blues.
17:07Well, I remember if the sweater was gray or something like that.
17:10On black, let's go black.
17:12Oh well, it was evening, there's not much light on the street.
17:15The shoes didn't match the outfit.
17:18Yes.
17:18The brown shoes didn't match that outfit.
17:21Yes, I understand.
17:21In fact, the colleague said, there are two things.
17:23Or this one doesn't know the country.
17:25Yes.
17:25Or she's a drug addict, since she was going up, let's say, on a square and then these girls do it,
17:31unfortunately, with the misfortune they have upon them.
17:34Oh, oh, oh.
17:36So, in that area, you mean that there are some shady girls?
17:40Exact.
17:43So, you heard, among other things, this man who phones the editorial office of whoever saw her,
17:46he is a carabiniere.
17:47Is it possible that a young girl fell victim to a bad situation?
17:53If that's the case, it's obviously a very serious matter, but it would mean one thing.
17:58Angela is still alive.
17:59Somewhere perhaps he is ashamed to go back home to his family, to his dad and his mom,
18:04but they are still looking for it.
18:06Gialloreto Carbone correspondent with Paolo Orzucci.
18:13Where there is life, there is hope.
18:16And it doesn't work.
18:17If there is practically no gozo of ceded, or she went to get that she is dead,
18:23then one writes it down.
18:25He tells her, we found it, but we found it.
18:28But so far we haven't found anything.
18:42There is no more terrible misfortune for a parent
18:45of when one day your child disappears and you never see him again.
18:53Then there are particularly cruel cases of disappearance.
18:58When years, even decades, pass and nothing happens, you never get to the bottom of it.
19:05Nothing.
19:06And the disappearance of a son or daughter remains shrouded in an indefinite and confused darkness.
19:16The years pass, but the pain doesn't go away.
19:21That always stays there.
19:23Maybe he hides and transforms.
19:27Or he writhes clinging to hope.
19:32But then it reappears.
19:34Always.
19:36Of days.
19:37At night.
19:38When you least expect it.
19:40Inseparable companion of an unfortunate and devastated life.
19:49Salvatore and Fortunata know exactly what we're talking about.
19:55I am Angela Ponte's father and mother.
19:58The 14-year-old girl, not yet a woman, but no longer a child,
20:04vanished into thin air 24 years ago.
20:08I think about it every day, Angela.
20:11And what does he think?
20:14Who thinks I don't see her anymore.
20:16And there isn't.
20:18But the fact that so many years have passed,
20:21does it have the effect of making you think about it less?
20:24Maybe the pain, the loss, is less noticeable?
20:28No, I love my daughter,
20:31but I think about it every day.
20:32As long as I'm alive.
20:34I'm thinking about it.
20:35I'm always hoping he'll come back, but...
20:40And not bad.
20:42I always have hope that it will come.
20:44One day that comes, poor thing.
20:50By Angela Ponte, over the years,
20:53whoever has seen it has dealt with it many times.
20:57And he will always continue to do so.
21:01Oh, oh, oh.
21:02After that, nothing more was heard, right, Salvatore?
21:05Until something concrete comes out about his disappearance,
21:10still shrouded in mystery.
21:17It all happened in Francofonte, in the province of Syracuse, eastern Sicily.
21:24The citrus groves scattered throughout the territory
21:28I am the Garden of Eden of the Tarot,
21:31the best orange in the world.
21:33But not even such a precious fruit
21:36he can solve it on his own
21:39the ancestral problems of these lands.
21:43The crisis continues to hit hard here.
21:47And Angela Ponte's family
21:49has always belonged
21:51to the poorest and most unfortunate part
21:54of the population of Francofonte.
21:57A very large family,
22:00dignified and full of zest for life,
22:03composed of father, mother and eleven children,
22:08including, in full title,
22:10Angela, vanished into thin air many years ago
22:13and a little sister who died at seven months.
22:18But let's talk about Angela.
22:23Nothing more was heard of her.
22:26from 6:00 PM on January 2, 1993
22:31when the little girl left the house
22:34of his sister-in-law Nadia,
22:36met in Sant'Antonio
22:38and he set off towards his parents' house
22:41but he never reached it.
22:45A two-kilometer long path
22:47made by myself
22:48when in that time of year
22:51it's already dark,
22:53with a final stroke
22:54in the open countryside
22:56without the enlightenment that exists now.
23:00The same trait
23:01where five years before
23:03had been found
23:05at the bottom of a well
23:06the tortured body of Vincenzino,
23:10a thirteen-year-old boy
23:11killed by an assassin
23:14left faceless.
23:22After the disappearance of Angela Ponte
23:25Nadia was questioned,
23:27the sister-in-law,
23:28Angela's best friend.
23:32Nadia,
23:33of Angela's disappearance,
23:35he said he knew nothing about it.
23:40there is suspicion in the village
23:43that Nadia
23:44had organized them
23:45a meeting
23:46just for the evening
23:47of the disappearance.
23:49The day before
23:50the two girls
23:52had been seen
23:53talking on the phone
23:54with someone
23:55near a bar
23:57of the country.
24:01Nadia passed away
24:02in 2002.
24:03also Michael,
24:05his partner,
24:06he died
24:07and with them
24:08perhaps it went out
24:10the possibility
24:11to know the truth.
24:15Let's hope he comes back
24:16or someone
24:17you pass the hand
24:20in the conscience
24:21and says
24:21I want
24:22we do it
24:23find
24:23this little girl.
24:25Even the bones
24:26Why
24:26this is the thing
24:27the bones.
24:28Let's hope
24:29the body.
24:31As
24:32at least
24:32the door
24:34Where
24:35must go
24:36and we'll take you
24:37that flower.
24:39We are not resigned
24:40as long as
24:41we can't find it.
24:42It gets to you a little
24:43of resignation.
24:44It gets to you a little
24:44of resignation.
24:46Instead no,
24:47this is how we always are
24:48with bated breath.
24:52And it's the truth.
24:54It is the truth.
24:58To Salvatore
25:00and to Fortunata
25:01it happens
25:02from time to time
25:03to dream
25:05with your eyes closed
25:06but also
25:07with open eyes
25:08a miraculous one
25:09reappearance
25:10by Angela.
25:12They feel
25:13knock on the door
25:14knock
25:14knock
25:15the front door
25:16it opens
25:17and here it is
25:18reappear
25:19the lost daughter
25:21and never forgotten.
25:23In their visions
25:24nocturnal
25:25or diurnal
25:26Angela
25:27has always had
25:28the appearance
25:28of a fourteen year old
25:30still a child
25:31while today
25:33would have
25:3338 years old.
25:35It's just
25:36how it looks
25:37in the only photo
25:38that exists
25:39her
25:39which was taken of her
25:41from a friend
25:42and that the parents
25:43they preserve
25:44like a relic.
25:47But when
25:48they make thoughts
25:48more concrete
25:49and bitter
25:50Savior
25:51and Fortunata
25:52they always hope
25:53that you arrive
25:54finally
25:55a tip-off
25:57that you indicate
25:58They
25:58where to go
25:59to search
26:00the poor
26:00remains
26:01by Angela
26:01In the meantime
26:04the family
26:05Bridge
26:05continues
26:06to lead
26:07its existence
26:08in grama
26:09and troubled
26:10Why
26:11if you think
26:12that bad luck
26:13stopped
26:14to take care of
26:15of them
26:15you are wrong.
26:20Listen
26:21what happened
26:22to Sonia Ponte
26:23the sister
26:24a few years old
26:25bigger
26:26by Angela
26:26that we had
26:27known
26:2817 years old
26:29in the first live broadcast
26:31of 93
26:32and we had
26:33then met again
26:34several times
26:35over the years
26:35subsequent ones.
26:37In 24 years
26:38past
26:39from the disappearance
26:40by Angela
26:41Sonia
26:42had
26:43six children
26:43and the first
26:45they already have it
26:45surrendered grandmother.
26:47But that's what it is
26:48what happened
26:48to the three children
26:49smaller ones
26:50two little girls
26:51of six
26:51and nine years
26:52and a child
26:54of four
26:54that is
26:55transforming
26:56his life
26:57in a tragedy.
26:59Listen up
27:00because that
27:01what he told us
27:03Sonia
27:03he really has
27:04of the incredible.
27:07So
27:08in May
27:09last year
27:11the daughter
27:11smaller
27:12who is six years old
27:13he does to his mother
27:15a story
27:16shocked
27:16he speaks to her
27:18of that gentleman
27:19who lives
27:20on the corner
27:20of the square
27:21where they play
27:22all children
27:23of the neighborhood
27:24that gentleman
27:25tells
27:26the little girl
27:26let us in
27:28inside that door
27:29to me
27:30to my brothers
27:31but also
27:32to other children
27:33and gives us
27:34the sweets
27:35but first
27:37makes us do it
27:38certain things
27:40my daughter
27:40he told me
27:41that this piece
27:42of ogre
27:43because I have a pedophile
27:44he made him touch
27:45the cuddly one
27:46both to her
27:47that to my son
27:48Gabriele
27:49the child too
27:50he told me
27:51and then I
27:52there and then
27:53I went down
27:54down there
27:55near my house
27:56I knocked
27:57and I told him
27:58at this pedophile's house
28:01but what
28:02it happened
28:03I know why
28:04she came here
28:05he makes me to me
28:07if I was wrong
28:08I don't know what to do
28:09Therefore
28:10from me
28:11I
28:11I grabbed it
28:13I gave him
28:13a couple of punches
28:14in the face
28:15and then
28:16my son-in-law
28:17that is not there now
28:18he even gave it to him
28:19other times
28:20I took her to the barracks
28:22and then
28:23they arrested him
28:24and this
28:25he abused
28:27of my children
28:27sexual abuse
28:29that I made them touch
28:30downstairs
28:31dots dots
28:32and how did he do it
28:33with my children
28:34I did them too
28:35with other girls
28:40they kept it
28:4125 days
28:42in prison
28:42and then returned
28:43he who lives
28:44near me
28:46where I did it to him
28:47see where he lives
28:48the house
28:48and he is there
28:50with the arrests
28:51house arrest
28:51so after 25 days
28:54they put it
28:55under house arrest
28:56where it still is today
28:56yes still
28:57it is located here
28:58under house arrest
28:59Here you are
29:00then what happened
29:01this happened
29:02in May of last year
29:03Exactly
29:03then it happened
29:05that in October
29:06they are taking my children away from me
29:07the court
29:08of the minors of Catania
29:09he takes my children away from me
29:10but I could see them
29:12once a week
29:13and I went to visit him
29:14my children
29:15until he arrived
29:16the decree
29:17where I can't see
29:18plus my children
29:19and not even call
29:21because the judge
29:22he arranged it like this
29:23now I'm left
29:24without my children
29:25with full eyes
29:26and empty hands
29:27and he
29:28I have to look at him
29:29that is there
29:29which also overlooks
29:30at the window
29:32here but with what motivation
29:34they took her children away from her
29:35what they told her
29:36the judge told me
29:37that I
29:37that of the court
29:39of the minors of Catania
29:40that I had to look for
29:41a job
29:42within a month
29:43of work
29:44hired
29:45and a suitable apartment
29:47with the little room
29:48of my children
29:50a suitable home
29:52but I
29:53if I'm poor
29:53what can I do?
29:54I have money
29:55I don't have any
29:55to have this apartment
29:57the fact is that
29:58if it didn't happen
29:59this thing
30:00of the pedophile
30:00the children to me
30:02they wouldn't take them away from me
30:03because she
30:03he had it
30:05all these years
30:06it's normal
30:06one is nine years old
30:08yes I had
30:08a relationship
30:09with a person
30:10where they were born
30:11all three
30:11these little girls
30:12but they grew up
30:13I
30:13these little girls
30:14if I didn't tell myself
30:16this thing
30:17so far the children
30:18were here
30:19because I wore them
30:20at school
30:20I came to pick them up
30:21my partner
30:22which is currently here
30:24he went to get them
30:25he brought them
30:25and all these things
30:27then I shouldn't have said anything
30:29so the children
30:30they wouldn't take them away from me
30:30so that gentleman
30:31he's there at his house
30:32yes, calm down
30:33how blessed he is
30:34it also looks out
30:36at the window
30:37that is, he realizes
30:39less disgusting
30:42I don't know what else to say
30:45so much
30:46I have nothing left
30:48my son
30:49I don't have it anymore
30:50Therefore
30:53I'm like that
30:56but
30:59Now
31:00savior and lucky
31:02they take charge
31:03even of misfortune
31:05which hit
31:06this other daughter of theirs
31:09At that time
31:09we'll take care of it
31:11if there is a logic
31:12who governs the things of the world
31:14whatever it is
31:16hasn't the time come?
31:18to grant to the savior
31:20lucky
31:21the reward
31:22long-awaited
31:23and that is
31:25who knows what happened
31:27to that other daughter of theirs
31:29twenty-four years ago
31:30finally show up
31:33and you speak
31:35savior and lucky
31:37maybe they don't deserve it
31:38this consolation
31:39late and melancholic
31:42but for them
31:43so comforting
31:44to finally be able to
31:46to lay a flower
31:47on the grave
31:48of their unfortunate daughter
31:55Thanks for following
31:57who saw it
31:57and don't miss it
31:58next Wednesday
31:59see you next Wednesday
32:01Good evening