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01:12My sister is the daughter of Bagheria, she could be your sister, she could be your daughter, she could be your mother, she could be
01:18be any of you.
01:20So if this happened to you, what would you do? Wouldn't you do the exact same thing we're doing?
01:30It's a Sunday in November in Bagheria when a 35-year-old woman with large blue eyes disappears.
01:37Before leaving home, early in the morning, she put on her makeup, dressed carefully and wrapped herself up
01:42in a red cloak.
01:44Her name is Giuseppina Francesca Ventimiglia and this is her story.
01:53Giuseppina, Giuse as everyone calls her, is not yet 14 when she meets Michele, her great love.
02:00He, who is 19 years old, courts her, invites her out and after a few months the two do
02:05the so-called elopement.
02:06They run away to get married, despite their parents' opposition.
02:10A year later their child is born.
02:12Today, only memories and scraps of photos remain of that happy time.
02:18Giuse tore them all up, almost as if she wanted to eliminate Michele from her life.
02:22In 2013, in fact, their marriage ended with a separation and two complaints for death threats.
02:28Giuse told the police that her husband told her, "You're crazy, I'll beat you to death."
02:33Well, this is not true at all, because I never said anything about this.
02:38So you never threatened Giuseppina?
02:39Never, never.
02:41Then, her brother Salvo tells us, she slowly became another person, another Giuseppina, in body and spirit.
02:48As if something inside her had broken.
02:51Giuse loses his smile and loses weight.
02:53He stops eating, he stops taking care of himself.
02:56She spends her days smoking, sitting on the steps of a betting shop.
02:59I always think of the smile, the happiness, the laughter that my sister had, because she had a laughter that was
03:06who knows her, but I'm not talking about her recent friendships, I'm talking about those who knew her before, when Giuseppe Ventimiglia
03:14it was Giuseppe Ventimiglia.
03:15Because now, in recent times, she was no longer my sister.
03:20Why does he say that?
03:21Because she had changed physically, she had changed visually, her way of being had changed, she was almost always sulky, she got angry
03:34for nothing, she was no longer my sister.
03:39I no longer saw my sister in her.
03:46After separating from Michele, Giuseppe begins dating another man, married, a man who plays the guitar for her.
03:52and makes her feel important.
03:54His name is Nino, but in Bagheria everyone knows him as Albano, for his passion for music.
03:59Their story ends when Nino is sentenced to three years for a nasty case of domestic violence.
04:05He beat his wife and ended up in prison for it.
04:09She was sentenced to three years under a fast-track trial for domestic violence.
04:17And this is on record, she has also served her sentence.
04:23Yes, I have served my time.
04:25His wife reported abuse, that is, that he was essentially beating her.
04:30Which wasn't true.
04:32Wasn't that true?
04:33But one doesn't get three years with an abbreviated procedure if it's not true.
04:36No, I have never abused my wife, nor my children, nor even my wife.
04:40And why did both his wife and children report him for wife-abuse?
04:46But then I made a mistake, I sinned against my wife, and that's how they made me pay for it.
04:51That is, what does it mean that you have sinned against your wife?
04:53I sinned, I betrayed her.
04:56Four years ago they made me pay for it like this.
04:58So both his wife and children made it all up?
05:01They made it all up to make me pay for cheating on her.
05:04So, he never beat his wife, but he was convicted for beating her.
05:09wife?
05:09I have put myself through this pain.
05:11During that same period, before ending up in prison, Nino frequented Giusi.
05:16Once she got out of prison, did she have to sue her wife and children?
05:19I had to do it, but I didn't because what?
05:23Because I love my wife.
05:24I love my wife, I love my children.
05:27If I did something like that...
05:29So she's the victim in this story?
05:30Yes, I'm the victim, good.
05:32Are you the victim?
05:33I am the victim.
05:34It's not the executioner, it's the victim?
05:35No, I'm really the victim.
05:37But he did well for Fatima, let her pay.
05:40If it was me, the one who was cheating on my wife, I don't know what I thought.
05:43Did your wife forgive you?
05:45Yes, to me.
05:46And I forgave her too.
05:48Have you forgiven each other?
05:49We are forgiven.
05:51Thanking God always.
05:53That I too studied the Bible in prison.
05:57But why was his wife so terrified at the time?
06:00No, she wasn't terrified.
06:02Did she have to hide?
06:04She wasn't terrified, she was just afraid of losing me.
06:08No, but your wife had to hide because she was afraid you would hurt her.
06:12Yes, he was hiding, but we always kept in touch.
06:15But was he hiding?
06:16Was he scared?
06:17It was, but I didn't go there.
06:19But was his wife afraid?
06:21But afraid of what?
06:22If I knew where it was.
06:23He was afraid she would hit him, he was afraid she would kill him, let's face it.
06:28He didn't have this fear, otherwise he would have left as a matter of duty.
06:31Anyway, that's what she came for.
06:33I came here for this because it occurred to me that if this gentleman beat his wife, maybe he...
06:38Giussi was also beaten.
06:39Did I beat Giussi too?
06:41You're joking, right?
06:42And who was Giussi for me?
06:46She wasn't my woman, nor my wife.
06:49What right did I have to beat this woman?
06:52Nobody.
06:54Because if someone is his wife, he has the right to beat her?
06:57No, this has nothing to do with it.
06:59But didn't she tell me?
07:01But I say if she was my woman or everything like in all marriages that...
07:07Don't we fight?
07:08No, no, we don't fight.
07:10You don't get hit on the head...
07:11But did I have the right to beat Giussi or...
07:14It's not like it was my sister, my wife, or my daughter who had to slap us.
07:19No.
07:20But I repeat: can you slap a sister, a wife, a daughter?
07:24No, they can't be given but they can...
07:27How do you say...
07:30To threaten, as they say...
07:32Threaten to slap?
07:34No, no, no, scolding, go on.
07:39When Nino ends up in prison, Giussi is left alone, once again.
07:43And maybe in that moment she feels lost, abandoned.
07:47Despite her deep love for her son, Giussi begins to distance herself from her family,
07:52to speak little, to be another woman.
07:56She starts dating other men, older people, married people,
08:00people who take advantage of this fragile girl.
08:02That's what they tell us in Bagheria, that's what they insinuate.
08:06She had many friends.
08:08I don't know the abatto.
08:09The dogs he frequented.
08:12He hung out with older people, but I don't know, he needed these people.
08:15People who want to take advantage of the situation.
08:19It now seems to be established that my sister frequented elderly people,
08:26much bigger than her.
08:28First of all, I would like to know when my sister started hanging out with these people.
08:35And above all, whether the relatives of these people ever noticed anything.
08:41Because my sister, however, if she frequented these people,
08:45these many, these numerous elderly people,
08:48He only went there for a pack of cigarettes.
08:51Because my sister wasn't feeling well in her head.
08:54My sister was suffering from depression and you all saw how my sister was a few years ago
08:58and how it had become now.
09:00Today's Giussi Ventimiglia was suffering, she was suffering.
09:05And these people took advantage of her.
09:08Who are these people?
09:10Who am I?
09:10Who am I?
09:19Giussi's story is one of unsaid things, of lies, of gossip, tongues and gossip.
09:26Because it's easier to insinuate behind someone's back than to tell the truth to your face,
09:30even if the face is that of a father, Philip,
09:32who has been waiting for his Giussi at the shop door since the morning of November 13th.
09:37Naked he sees nothing.
09:40The guy is naked.
09:41Everyone saw and understood naked, he didn't tell me that there was such a thing.
09:45They're all here, all men in the belly.
09:50What does it mean?
09:51Everyone has a house, they saw, they ask for a bina and they hold out a belly,
09:56because if there was a friend who came to tell me
09:58and you avoided it, son, as he told you.
10:00So I thought, you go and the situation was right for me.
10:06And is this Giussi as a child?
10:08Why does no one have the courage to talk to Mr. Filippo?
10:12He's a father and his daughter is missing.
10:15While he speaks to us, Philip,
10:17he holds the photo of his Giussi in his hands,
10:19the day of the first communion,
10:21when she was still just his little girl.
10:23It wasn't a doll.
10:29All, all four, all four children,
10:32you give us communion,
10:33there was the third year of middle school,
10:34and has no school.
10:40We never lacked anything.
10:48What happened to Giussi?
10:50Where did she go on the morning of November 13th?
10:52Made up, well dressed,
10:54perhaps he had an appointment,
10:56a romantic encounter?
10:57We know she wore makeup
11:00strange thing regarding Giussi,
11:02why she goes out,
11:04he basically leaves the house as he is.
11:07The only certainty in this story
11:09is that around noon,
11:11Giussi is seen walking along this road,
11:13Foundry Street,
11:15from a couple, husband and wife,
11:16who knows Giussi
11:17ever since she was a child.
11:19Giussi disappeared there,
11:21she disappeared there.
11:30Are you speechless, Salvo?
11:32No.
11:34Nothing,
11:36it almost seems like it has been swallowed up
11:39from that campaign,
11:41from those ruins.
11:46Ruins,
11:47farmhouses,
11:48cultivated fields
11:49which alternate with landfill
11:51in the open air,
11:55tall grass
11:56and car wrecks,
11:58small fires
11:59of abandoned objects.
12:02We are in Contrada,
12:03Cordoba,
12:03Giussi here
12:04she was seen walking
12:06the last time.
12:11Here
12:12it was noticed
12:13a car
12:13with different men,
12:15the elderly and married ones.
12:17A,
12:17they tell us in the village,
12:19apparently he had a blue car.
12:27Some passages,
12:28sometimes he gave us,
12:29Like this.
12:30He tried to give her
12:30any steps?
12:31But he gave us a ride,
12:33it's here,
12:34it's there.
12:34Because he is a good one
12:35the rates of this entire area.
12:37But according to her,
12:38why did they come to tell you
12:40who saw her with Giussi?
12:43I do not know,
12:44but the languages are there.
12:45Another man
12:46with whom Giussi
12:47would have been seen
12:48with Trada Cordova
12:49shortly before disappearing,
12:50to a car
12:51amaranth color.
12:52Let's find out
12:53who is Nino Aiello,
12:54the man with whom Giussi
12:55he had a relationship years ago.
12:57None of this is true.
12:58But according to her,
12:59why did they come to tell me
13:00who saw her in the car
13:01with Giussi?
13:02But I'm going to tell them this.
13:03Why did you tell me these things?
13:05The invention is strong,
13:06Why
13:06when I was also at Chiosco
13:08they heard me playing
13:09or sing
13:11some man
13:12it was also
13:13jealous
13:14of this thing here.
13:15You know,
13:16even in the world
13:17of the show
13:18there is jealousy.
13:23And then there would be
13:24another person.
13:25Him too
13:26it is rumored,
13:27frequented Giussi.
13:28Maybe he knows something
13:29of that Sunday morning.
13:37But I know that
13:38she and Giussi
13:39you knew each other.
13:40No, there are more people
13:44what they say
13:49But she herself
13:50he has Giussi's sister-in-law
13:52he told you that you knew each other
13:53and there's nothing wrong with that
13:54in knowing a person.
13:59Indeed
14:00I met her
14:01through children
14:02that came
14:04and they saw each other
14:07but the others
14:08I don't know anything
14:09I believe me.
14:10That is Giussi
14:11she met Giussi
14:13through children?
14:14Yes,
14:15it's your kiss
14:16not just those.
14:17Why Giussi
14:17she was a friend
14:18of his children?
14:19It's not that she was a friend
14:20they met
14:22out
14:22I do not know
14:24alright
14:24but
14:25the bears
14:26I don't know anything
14:27not me
14:28start doing
14:29questions to me
14:29because I don't know anything
14:30I don't care about anything.
14:31But why at the beginning
14:33he told me he didn't know her?
14:34Excuse me
14:34but she sends it to me
14:36Excuse me.
14:40nobody knows
14:41where did Giussi go?
14:42if he had an appointment
14:44if he were to meet someone
14:46and then they suggest to us
14:47to look for a dear friend of Giussi
14:49an older woman
14:50with whom he passed
14:51most of his days
14:53her name is Floriana
14:54she knows everything
14:55they say
14:56but everything what?
14:58we from Floriana
14:59we went there
15:00a first time in November
15:01a few days later
15:02the disappearance of Giussi.
15:03I am a journalist
15:04of those who saw it
15:05and I'm looking for
15:09Giussi
15:09the lady
15:10I don't know
15:10there is no Giussi here
15:12I don't know
15:13but they told me
15:14that you were very good friends
15:15I wasn't the only one
15:16they knew her
15:17no no no
15:18look I don't want to talk
15:20no Floriana
15:21Floriana is calm
15:22the very strong one
15:23I don't want to talk
15:24with no one
15:24I know but she can help us
15:26I'm not Floriana's only friend
15:27no then
15:28but they told me
15:30that you
15:31you loved each other very much
15:32but when ever
15:34No
15:34but he didn't just know me
15:36he knew half of Bagheria
15:39after this first meeting
15:40but
15:41we looked for it again
15:42and this time
15:43Floriana welcomes us
15:44in a completely different way
15:45she saw in me
15:46a mother
15:47OK
15:48a mother
15:50that he would take care of her
15:50he took care of her
15:52It makes me want to cry
15:53because poor thing
15:54darnit
15:55I was trying to
15:56in my own small way
15:58to help her
15:59to do it
16:01react
16:02but unfortunately
16:04but it's true
16:05that there was someone
16:06who took advantage of her
16:10look
16:11I don't know this
16:12I do not know
16:12but
16:13In my opinion
16:14maybe yes
16:15I do not know
16:15Why
16:16she was alone
16:17it was always
16:18in the middle of the street
16:19he was going home
16:20in the evening
16:24I do not know
16:25Look
16:25if I knew something
16:26of someone
16:27that I would be the first to say
16:30but why
16:31they say a lot of bad things
16:33because they say
16:34really
16:35that she took
16:35the appointments
16:36for Giussi
16:37It is not true
16:38It is not true
16:38it's a big lie
16:39my mother could die
16:41who is 90 years old
16:42that serious
16:43no for goodness sake
16:43It is not true
16:45for goodness sake
16:45absolutely
16:46It is not true
16:47they are lies
16:50Floriana tells us
16:51that in the morning
16:52of November 13th
16:53she and Giussi
16:53they saw each other
16:54around 10 o'clock
16:55and they took
16:55a coffee
16:56together
16:57right in this bar
16:58I finished reading
16:58the newspaper
16:59because I go to read
17:00a newspaper
17:01that I like to inform
17:02but I do
17:03Giussi
17:04Giussi
17:05there was no more
17:11so Floriana
17:12see Giussi
17:12a few hours before
17:13of his disappearance
17:14right in this bar
17:17we didn't know it then
17:18we only know this today
17:19this bar
17:20on Sunday
17:21it's closed
17:23and then
17:24we're going back to Floriana
17:26once again
17:26to ask for explanations
17:28why did he say
17:29of having met Giussi
17:30right in the morning
17:31where she disappeared
17:32if it wasn't true
17:33I stayed
17:35Enough
17:37surprise
17:37in discovering
17:38that is precisely
17:39that this bar
17:40it was closed
17:40and instead she
17:41he had told me
17:41that you had seen each other
17:42I must have been wrong
17:44Surely
17:44and then he didn't see it
17:45the day of disappearance
17:47definitely not
17:48because I
17:49well me with the dates
17:50I'm a little bit
17:51not so precise
17:52because she seemed to me
17:54pretty safe
17:55that it was
17:55the day of disappearance
17:57I say
17:59that I was sure
17:59maybe sooner
18:00I don't even know
18:02Look
18:02Why
18:02as you date
18:03I'm not enough
18:07the dates
18:08I don't remember them
18:08so good
18:09let's say
18:09Floriana
18:10she didn't tell me
18:11a lie
18:11No
18:12no no no
18:14Floriana though
18:15adds a detail
18:16important
18:17listen
18:18she is definitely
18:19with someone
18:20who fell in love
18:21Safe
18:24Giussi
18:24come alive
18:27come home
18:28so at least one
18:30everyone stay calm
18:31your son
18:32everyone
18:32enough now
18:34go to dad
18:35you tell him the truth
18:36that you fell in love
18:37that you are with this boy
18:39on
18:40but she has an idea
18:41whose it may be
18:42this boy
18:43that she fell in love with
18:44Giussi
18:44I do not know
18:45I do not know
18:45I do not know
18:46otherwise already
18:47I would have said it
18:48to the police
18:49I do not know
18:51I don't know what else to say
18:53absolutely
18:54and I am
18:55I'm talking to you
18:57because we hope
18:58that she
18:58he heard me
19:00and it comes to life
19:01go
19:02let his father go
19:03what do I know
19:03and make yourself heard
19:05because I'm sorry
19:07on the street
19:08Giussi
19:11but there is another person
19:13in the village
19:13who thinks Giussi
19:14she left
19:15with a man
19:16for me
19:16I was a sister
19:18his name is Salvatore
19:19he is a mechanic
19:20motorcyclist
19:21but everyone knows it
19:23like Moses
19:23because of the beard
19:24which was once long
19:27I said
19:27I thought
19:29easily
19:30he met someone
19:32that can live
19:33so she thinks
19:35That
19:37that she has gone away
19:38of his own free will
19:39I think so
19:43but it really can be
19:45so simple
19:45this story
19:46Giussi falls in love
19:48he moves
19:49in another city
19:49a new life is created
19:51forgetting
19:52of his son Carmelo
19:53of the father
19:54of the brothers
19:55No
19:56it can't be
19:57so simple
19:58it's not
19:59for the prosecution
19:59of Termini Merese
20:00who ordered
20:01to the police
20:02and firefighters
20:03to look for Giussi
20:04evidently
20:05not alive
20:06right here
20:06in Contrada Cordova
20:11Some people
20:12close to your sister
20:13they claim
20:14that she has known
20:15a man
20:15and fell in love
20:16she's gone
20:17I think
20:18that it is a hypothesis
20:19to be excluded
20:20because knowing
20:22my sister
20:22I really don't think so
20:24and then
20:25This
20:26even when
20:27this estrangement
20:28final
20:30this closure
20:31definitive
20:32with us
20:33with my father
20:34with his son
20:35with everyone
20:36with everyone
20:37Why
20:39Why
20:39so no
20:41he could say it
20:42he could say it
20:43I'm leaving
20:44I'm leaving tomorrow
20:45Tomorrow
20:45starting tomorrow
20:46you don't see me anymore
20:46I'm leaving tomorrow
20:47with the person
20:49that I fell in love with
20:50but nothing
20:53No
20:54Giussi hasn't left
20:55Salvo is convinced of it
20:57the brother
20:58Michele reiterates it
20:59Giussi's ex-husband
21:00here with Maria Stella
21:01his new partner
21:03Michael
21:03she got an idea
21:05of what may have happened
21:07it's closed
21:08to some
21:09somewhere
21:11to someone who doesn't let it out
21:12someone who doesn't let her out
21:14but I
21:15I watch
21:15tour
21:16I never see her
21:17that is, in my opinion
21:20Giussi in my opinion
21:21she disappeared
21:22from nothing
21:23Why
21:23if I see her
21:25I recognize it
21:26even if it is covered
21:27I recognize it
21:28but according to her
21:29she who knows her
21:30because anyway
21:31you were together
21:32twenty years
21:33it is possible
21:34that Giussi
21:35for three months
21:36don't make yourself heard
21:37with your son
21:38but apart from that
21:39my son
21:40he turned 18
21:41he did
21:41that is, she
21:43to my son
21:43it was attached to it
21:44Look
21:46it was a thing
21:47absurd
21:48it's true Michele
21:49that the carabinieri
21:51they told him
21:51not to leave Bagheria
21:54don't leave Bagheria
21:56you can't find it anymore
21:57HI
21:59No
21:59don't leave Bagheria
22:00No
22:01excuse me for a moment
22:04Oh
22:05come here
22:06if you have courage
22:07Excuse me
22:08Excuse me
22:09that is, you can't find it anymore
22:10Who
22:10but why ever
22:11you don't know
22:12that you can't find it anymore
22:13that is, you pass by
22:14while I'm doing
22:15an interview
22:16you can't find it anymore
22:16I know you are
22:17turn
22:18turn here
22:19after three months
22:21what does it mean
22:22that we can't find it anymore
22:23it's my feeling
22:24okay I'll take responsibility
22:25I of what I'm saying
22:26you can't find it for me anymore
22:27for me
22:27I tell you this
22:28then what do you want to do
22:29what does he do
22:30he's reporting me
22:31what does he do
22:31no no I'm not reporting you
22:33I mean, I want to understand
22:34why are you screaming
22:35you can't find it anymore
22:35no because since
22:38it's been around for two days
22:39people all say it
22:40everyone knows it
22:41Understood
22:42this is it
22:42but I don't know after three months
22:44because someone knows
22:45and he doesn't talk anyway
22:46and will never speak
22:47Good
22:48Good
22:52because a perfect stranger
22:53he allows himself to shout
22:55during an interview
22:56you won't find it anymore anyway
22:57without respect
22:58towards her ex-husband
22:59without respect
23:00of those who suffer
23:01and again
23:02he's looking for her
23:03where is Giussi?
23:04who made it disappear
23:05possible
23:06that after eight months
23:07and lots of chatter
23:08Still
23:09it was not understood
23:10what happened
23:14and yet Giussi
23:15he left traces everywhere
23:17names
23:17telephone numbers
23:18jotted down in notebooks
23:19leaflets
23:20really
23:21on the walls of the house
23:22or on the packaging
23:23of medicines
23:24like this one
23:25who are these people
23:27maybe they have something to do with it
23:28with his disappearance
23:36Hello sir
23:39Good evening
23:40my name is
23:40Chiara Cazzaniga
23:41I am a journalist
23:42by Rai 3
23:43of those who saw it
23:44forgive me if
23:47and when can I do it?
23:49to recall
24:03everyone knew her
24:06and nobody knows anything
24:09Therefore
24:10I do not know
24:12I really am
24:14Truly
24:15disappointed
24:16from
24:19from all this
24:31eight months have passed
24:33summer has arrived
24:34Giussi
24:35in his house in Bagheria
24:36she never returned
24:37he brought with salt and lies
24:40the secrets
24:41and the hypocrisy of those who
24:42for a pack of cigarettes
24:43he took advantage of it
24:45and now
24:46now he pretends not to do it
24:47get to know her
24:48annoyed by that name
24:49Giussi
24:50a mother
24:51a sister
24:52a daughter
24:53from Bagheria
25:03from Bagheria
25:08from Bagheria
25:16Thank you all.