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00:06I killed her. I was the one who killed Professor Gloria Rosbach. Finally.
00:12Gabriele De Filippi told the truth. He confessed to killing Gloria because
00:17She wanted her money back. Those 187,000 euros that her former student De Filippi had stolen from her.
00:25By deception. The truth about Gloria's murder. Gabriele wrote it down in black and white.
00:32in a diary in prison and then read it in front of the prosecutor in court.
00:38I must say that this is a statement that finally sheds light on one of the few
00:44points that still remained unclear. But in any case the trial results were
00:52in that direction. So in a way it's an expected truth. Expected and that
00:58Maybe it's a little late at least. We'll take care of it.
01:04A truth that comes too late. After Gabriele De Filippi's many lies. In fact,
01:11Despite the confession, prosecutor Ferrando requested the maximum sentence: life imprisonment.
01:17She asked for 20 years for her accomplice and former lover Roberto Obert. Gloria's parents
01:25They have always known that truth since the day she disappeared. They knew that
01:31had killed their only daughter. I always said that if she met Gabriele at home she
01:37He wasn't coming back. I always said so.
01:43But who is Gloria Rosbach? Who is this lady with the kind and gentle gaze who timidly
01:49does she smile in front of the camera? Professor Gloria, that's what they call her
01:55Castellammonte teaches at Cresto Middle School and cares for children with disabilities.
02:01of support. A job she does with love and a lot of passion. She is a small woman, she lives
02:08and dresses in old-fashioned style. His existence is all home, work, and church. There is nothing else, and no one.
02:15in the village he remembers never having seen her with a man at her side.
02:19My daughter is a rather reserved, quiet type. She doesn't have any male friends that I know of.
02:32Yet Gabriele De Filippi managed to overcome Gloria's distrust. He's an unscrupulous guy.
02:38and capable of lying like no other. After gaining the teacher's trust,
02:44He sets up a diabolical scam. He manages to convince Gloria to give him 187 thousand.
02:51euros in cash, the savings of a lifetime, with the promise that they would be reinvested
02:56in a non-existent financial transaction on the French Riviera. And after having obtained the money,
03:02He is no longer heard from. He disappears from circulation. This is a letter that Gloria writes on her own.
03:10punch to Gabriele. The parents recently found it among their daughter's papers and we're telling you
03:16we are showing you for the first time. I am writing you these few lines because you have put your savoir faire into it.
03:21on the field from September 7th to October 24th and you've achieved your goal. Now I would just like
03:27I'd love to know how you used my gift. Whether you used it to get your degree or it's in a
03:34tax haven. In this way your behavior does not seem very correct to me, but rather leave it.
03:40say that you are a coward because first you dared to speak and now I don't hear from you anymore, neither text nor email
03:47e-mail.
03:47I won't add anything. But it's all useless. Gabriele can't be found. The former student is busy spending money.
03:53the teacher's savings. Gabriele is having fun. Now he can finally afford to live the life he
04:01He's always dreamed of it. Fun, drugs, and gambling at the casino.
04:18Gabriele is a strange guy indeed. As a boy he goes to school dressed as a woman. Ego-centric,
04:24solitary, vain. He entrusts the diary of his life to social media. He peppers it with images of
04:30his existential quest. Dozens of different faces. Countless Facebook profiles. Change name. Change
04:37often the color of her hair. She wears makeup. As we will later discover, the only thing she wants is
04:44take over other people's lives. Empty them of feelings and money and then throw them away with
04:51absolute cynicism and indifference. Gloria was also enchanted by Gabriele and defrauded. But now
05:01He wants his money back and asks lawyer Stefano Caniglia to send a collection letter.
05:07for the return of the money. The thing that hurt the teacher the most was that, after the delivery
05:14of the money, he never contacted her again. She sought that conversation because she felt betrayed and wanted
05:22an explanation. The money, yes, was important, he wanted it back, but it was an addition to being able to talk to him.
05:31and get the explanation he hadn't received. Two months after sending the letter
05:37of the lawyer, Gloria disappears into thin air, from Castellamonte, in broad daylight. For Gloria's parents they are
05:45terrible days. If they bring her to me alive, I wouldn't care about the money, but I would like to have her, though.
05:55I'd even leave the money alone. See how much I care about money? I'd be more interested in you.
06:03that they would bring her home alive. That, yes.
06:11We looked for her a lot, Gloria, and we also looked for Gabriele De Filippi to ask him if
06:18He knew something about her disappearance. Here's how he responded to Giuseppe Pizzo.
06:25Hi Gabriele, I'm Giuseppe, who saw it? Yes? Well, I'm not obligated to speak.
06:31with no one. No, just for the lady's money, no. If you've seen her lately, this
06:36We'd like to know. No, I'm not obligated to talk to anyone. Well, I understand, but, well,
06:41Look, five seconds and we'll go away, okay, we won't bother you. Go ahead, because
06:44if we look at the authorities. Listen, have you seen the last thing? No, we just want
06:53to know if she saw the... My name is... My name is... I don't know what she's talking about
06:59speaking. He should be ashamed to be at my door. Period. First and last name.
07:03Listen, have you seen the teacher lately? Name and surname. I already told you how I…
07:09I'm calling.
07:12On February 19th, news spread in Castellammonte. In Rivara, not far from there, it is
07:18The body of a woman was found. At five in the afternoon, the cousin
07:28He recognizes the teacher's body. It's her, it's Gloria, and she was thrown inside.
07:35of a landfill.
07:43So the body is that of Gloria Rosbock? Yes, she was identified by a cousin.
07:48Where did you find it? Inside a well? Inside a large well, a cistern.
07:53The firefighters and the firefighters intervened and found him. Thanks to the confession of
07:58an accomplice. A person who made statements to the police. Now we will go
08:04there at the Ivrea Carabinieri station to proceed with the interrogation immediately. A boy
08:09not young, because colonel we can give the data. We can give the data. The person is a
08:15person here in the oven, born in 62, his name is Oberto Roberto and who in any case confessed
08:24the fact that he and Gabriele participated in the crime. These are the first statements.
08:29which he gave us. This Mr. Oberto took us to the scene and helped us find the body.
08:42When the Carabinieri marshal knocks on the door of the green villa in Castellamonte,
08:48Gloria's parents have confirmation of what they had always thought. They will never see her again.
08:53never let their daughter live again. Gabriele De Filippi killed Gloria, but he didn't
09:00He did it alone. With him was his accomplice and lover, a 54-year-old worker named
09:07Roberto Oberth. Gloria's parents were right when they indicated from day one
09:13a road and that was it. We weren't wrong. I always said that if he met Gabriele at home
09:23She didn't come back. I always said so. From Wednesday evening to Thursday morning when Don Roberto arrived,
09:33I told him, come and do Gloria's funeral too. He told me, but he's just there
09:37a few hours
09:38who is missing. But she never returns home alive. But that's not all. He will be charged with complicity in murder.
09:46Caterina Abbattista, Gabriele's mother, was also arrested. According to investigators, the woman
09:52he knew of his son and Oberth's intentions to kill Gloria.
10:00After the arrest, Oberth was the first to give in and confess everything. He was the one who
10:06indicate
10:07the place where Gloria's body was found. The truth of Roberto Oberth at that time during the
10:13of the investigations strongly opposed the other version. Therefore today we are satisfied that
10:20finally in the trial the only possible truth that of Roberto Oberth has seen the
10:27light even before the judicial authorities. The confrontation between the two former lovers is tough, tense,
10:33Dramatic. De Filippi accuses his accomplice-lover of killing Gloria. Oberth defends himself.
10:39and accuses Gabriele.
10:41I would be the monster. You are, you are the worst. I am the monster. How different. No, you are the one.
10:47evil. Remember that in that damn head you have, you have... After all that, after all
10:52what you had the courage to do. You turned everyone around, you turned everyone around. You're, you're raising
10:57my voice. Everyone up to now, yes, of course I raise it. You're raising your voice. With you, you shouldn't have raised it.
11:03the voice only, eh. Your mother should have, she should have raised you a little better. But you continue to criticize
11:08My mother. She had to educate you, of course. Of course, because it's also her fault that you came.
11:13Come on, that's it. Oh. Not mine, because I wasn't your father. Remember that. Now, now you say
11:18like that, eh. Eh, remember. Now you say that, eh. Yes, because, but because you're really bad.
11:24Mean to everyone. I've never seen anyone like that. You should be ashamed because you...
11:30You. Here. You killed someone. Oh, I killed her? I killed her? Did you think I...
11:36I didn't have... that I didn't have the balls to tell things as they are.
11:41Gabriele tells the terrible murder of the teacher with detachment and does not neglect
11:46not even the smallest detail. You made me get out of the car because you said... you were
11:54I agreed with the teacher that you should have taken the bag from behind, the... from the trunk,
11:59the bag with the money. Then get out of the car. I'll stay outside the car. Take
12:03the bag and get back in the back. You pull down the seat. You make me sit in the front. Too bad it was already
12:09dead. The door remains open and you tell me to be careful. Too bad it was already
12:13dead. She was already dead. Too bad she was already dead there. Oh, yeah? Too bad she was already dead.
12:19I was turned around... I was turned around with the door open. I didn't have time to turn around.
12:24The poor thing was already dead. He was strangling her. She was already dead. She was already dead.
12:29You know it very well. In the bag he opened. In the bag he opened. You know it very well.
12:34that... like... There was... that there was the... one of those... the rope that I saw on that occasion.
12:39Oh, yes. The rope again. He took it and used it. The rope. And he strangled her.
12:44Period. And who was pulling the rope with gloves? You. You were pulling. You pulled the rope with gloves.
12:49The rope with gloves? Yes, of course. You were wearing gloves too. No... You were wearing gloves too.
12:54No, no. I've never worn gloves. Have you worn gloves? Never. Never had gloves.
13:00Oh, never had gloves? Never. Never ever.
13:04Before the trial, Gabriele De Filippi underwent a psychiatric evaluation.
13:09The expert judged him to be competent to understand and decide.
13:13The lack of empathy, I use the words used by the expert Dr. Freilone,
13:19It's just words without music. He realizes the suffering of others,
13:25of other people's feelings, but inside they don't sound right.
13:29It's like he doesn't really understand them fully.
13:32And this is demonstrated by the fact that when he saw the professor
13:38On January 13, 2016, outside of school, he approached her and she was excited to see him.
13:45And he shortly after leads her to her end.
13:50It took a whole year.
13:52Then Gabriele finally took off his mask and told what everyone already knew.
13:58It was him, the person Gloria trusted, who tightened the rope that killed her.
14:06The Rosbocks are people who, like Gloria, are turning a tragic story into something good.
14:15It emerged yesterday that Mr. Obert had made compensation to his family.
14:22and I really like to remember this thing that Mr. and Mrs. Rosbock would never say openly.
14:30That donations have been made to the Carabinieri, to the firefighters of Castellamonte,
14:43and I also like to remember that there is an award at the school where the professor taught
14:49for the children, the families of disabled children who were the ones Gloria looked after.
14:59I have many fond memories of Gloria, but there isn't one in particular.
15:07As I say, even last night going to mass and not having her close by made me feel bad, to be honest.
15:14because we went almost every evening and it was a habit, if you like it was a habit,
15:22but we saw it well, we did it willingly.
15:26I've always been a believer, and so has she, but in the end I didn't expect it to turn out like this.
15:41By now you all know him, Norbert or Igor, in short this fugitive who is most wanted in Italy
15:47who commits robberies, who kills, and then unfortunately kills again.
15:51So, this evening we want to offer you these images which in our opinion are exceptional,
15:56they were broadcast by Tg1, we filmed them with Michele Bonica,
16:01We want to show them to you even in slow motion, because you can see him,
16:06Italy's number one fugitive, when he enters this bar in Budrio.
16:11Here he is, he has the rifle in his hand, he says something, you see, it's the man who is approaching
16:17and takes the rifle, it is Davide Fabri, the owner of the bar.
16:21He takes the rifle out of Igor's hands and then chases him into the back, shop, on the other side,
16:27because there are two shops next to each other, practically the tobacconist and the grocery store.
16:33So, I'd say we watch it again with you, slowing down the images a bit.
16:38Consider that these are the images of Igor, taken by the cameras of course,
16:43of this business, it's terrible because then you'll also see his wife.
16:49So, let's see them again in slow motion, Fabri is in his shop, Igor enters, you see him,
16:57he has a rifle in his hand, look at the scene it's incredible because there are two people,
17:02they remain still, almost as if they say but what is happening, you see there are two who were
17:06already in the bar, they are there, the owner takes the rifle from his hands, then chases him without fear,
17:15then they arrive in the back of the shop, here the cameras don't record, but the robber has a gun,
17:23what you don't see is that he pulls out this gun and unfortunately kills Fabri who remains on the ground
17:28and he, the robber, the murderer remains there and Fabri's wife is there too.
17:36The robber, the murderer, returns to the camera's field of vision and we look at him together.
17:43So, he's now coming back from the place where he killed the bar owner and soon
17:51you'll see the wife coming out from behind the counter and she has a broom in her hand, look she has her cell phone,
18:00he's calling for help, he's calling the carabinieri, the police, he has a broom in his hand, he's trying to hold on
18:05the distances with Igor with this broom in his hand, look he has the gun, he takes the broom away from her,
18:10he keeps the gun almost pointed at her, no one knows why, he decides to spare her, takes it and succeeds there
18:18where he entered. So there's the other camera, the one that filmed him in the entrance,
18:26who then films him as he leaves. Again with Michele Bonica we slowed down these images
18:31because they are actually interesting, emblematic, they show what happened.
18:38If we can review this with Fabri's wife, it is clearly seen, first he has
18:46the rifle in his hand, but Fabri took the rifle away from him when he came in, he took it away from him,
18:53he runs after him with the rifle, when he comes out you see that he has a gun in his hand, so he
18:59he had entered with a rifle that was taken away from him, then he has the gun, with the gun he kills
19:05the husband of this woman who tries to distance himself from him and puts himself between him, between her and the murderer
19:13her husband's broom. He looks at her, takes the broom away from her, and we imagine she fears the worst.
19:20and then instead he takes off and goes away. So, we showed you these images, they are
19:27important because one then also thinks about how one should behave when we have a dangerous
19:33criminal in front. They didn't know in that business that it was a dangerous
19:38criminal. Fabri approached, took the rifle from him, and the man also had the pistol.
19:44What's happening? The Carabinieri decide to explain, but only after Igor
19:50killed, to the citizens of the area, how to behave and above all what not to do if you meet
19:57Igor. This press conference, this explanation, let's say, is being held precisely when Igor
20:01He's a fugitive. Watch this video published by Nuova Ferrara, featuring the provincial commander.
20:06in Bologna and Molinella to provide all kinds of advice.
20:12a series of suggestions, both in the case in which this happens at home, and in the case in which it happens
20:20in a farmhouse, in a kennel, or inside a car or on a scooter. Keep calm.
20:30and self-control, rationalizing what's happening, what's happening, what can I do, who is this?
20:41These are questions that need to be asked. We are the important number here precisely so that this doesn't happen, but it's like
20:58when there is a disease going around, obviously we get vaccinated to prevent it from spreading.
21:08avoid sudden movements or noises, avoid actions that may cause the use of weapons
21:18on the part of the criminal, to tolerate even some insults or humiliations without reacting.
21:31we try to accommodate the requests of the person who is obviously committing this
21:38crime, that is, the deprivation of our freedom. You must behave in a manner
21:42which is a code, a vocabulary that specialists know perfectly well. It is that of lying down
21:49on the ground, face down, cover your head with your hands and do not move.
21:59There is another fugitive who has faded into the background, he is a young Neapolitan
22:04from a good family, according to the prosecution he was the one who asked for his brother, an engineer, his name is
22:10Luca Materazzo, and so we went looking for him. Where can we find him? We thought.
22:16Why in Dubai? Because there is no extradition treaty there, any criminal
22:21He can move around freely, and while we were looking for him, look what happened. Chiara Cazzaniga
22:28with Marco Monti and Michele Bonic.
22:37When we came here, to Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, in search of Luca Materazzo, the 35-year-old
22:44Neapolitan from a good family, wanted for the murder of his older brother, Vittorio,
22:48We had no difficulty in meeting two famous fugitives. Yes, because among the
22:56United Arab Emirates, a very rich country built in the middle of the desert and Italy, does not exist
23:01An extradition treaty. If you have to be in prison in Italy, you can walk here.
23:06as a free man.
23:10Here is Medeo Matacena, entrepreneur and Forza Italia MP from 1994 to 2001.
23:15Hi, nice to meet you.
23:16Convicted definitively for external association with a mafia organization.
23:22This, however, is Andrea Nuccera, an entrepreneur from Albenga, a city in the province of Savona, involved
23:28in a millionaire bankruptcy, convicted in the first instance for fraudulent bankruptcy, fled Italy
23:33in 2011.
23:34At that moment in history I had the perception that if I had stayed in Italy, who would have fed me?
23:40to my children?
23:40I fled Italy, he tells us, because otherwise I couldn't feed my children.
23:45children.
23:47In front of the TV, 6,000 km away, in his house in Savona, watching the episode
23:52Elena Caviglia, Andrea Nuccera's ex-wife, was also on the program "Who has seen it?"
23:57And she didn't like these words at all.
23:59He exploited two poor children, who are also his children, to justify
24:08his attitudes and behaviors.
24:12I'll be more specific, he said he was forced to flee because if
24:22no who fed my children?
24:25Well, I fed his children.
24:30Nuccera marries Elena, they have two children, then they separate.
24:34When he escapes to Dubai, the entrepreneur takes his mother, grandmother, sister and secretary with him.
24:40Elena stays at home.
24:43I was pointed out, even though I was no longer one, as the wife of a fugitive, of a
24:50wanted by Interpol and even worse my children.
24:54So it's not true that he went into hiding for the sake of his children?
24:58Absolutely not, he went into hiding due to known facts, due to judicial issues,
25:05for his legal troubles, but he absolutely did not go into hiding for his children.
25:10Now, if he wants to be a father, we're here.
25:15He takes the plane, comes to Italy and does what he has to do.
25:19The father, but in every sense, I don't just mean the economic one.
25:22Pick up the child, take him to school, do his homework with him.
25:27I mean, the list would be long, but he could learn.
25:31Mrs. Elena, you know that your ex-husband cannot take a plane and come to Italy because if
25:36he did it...
25:36It's his choice, it's his choice.
25:40Nobody forced him to go, he didn't go abroad for treatment because he has a disease for which these
25:48They only provide treatment abroad.
25:50No, he chose to go to avoid his responsibilities.
25:56Now, if he claims to be a victim of the justice system or whatever, he defends himself.
26:03But not all those who have committed more or less serious crimes, legal or otherwise, flee.
26:11He comes here, he defends himself.
26:14If he is right, he will be acquitted.
26:19So, Andrea Nucera fled Italy in 2011.
26:22Here, in the Emirates, as a fugitive, Nucera has recreated his business.
26:28He owns with a local partner several companies that are based in these breathtakingly view offices on the 27th
26:35floor of the Tamut Tower, in Abu Dhabi.
26:38In this new life, in this beautiful villa in an exclusive neighborhood of the capital, Nucera also brought with him
26:45the grandmother who will turn 101 in a few months.
26:48And his secretary, now wife, Simona Musso, is also a fugitive.
26:54Life on the run here is peaceful, so much so that Nucera gives us a meeting in a nice hotel in Abu Dhabi.
27:00You rightly tell me how I feed my children, but in the meantime you have two children in Italy and
27:04I understand that one has never even seen it.
27:07It's not like that, forgive me.
27:09You see the problems of misinformation that I am subjected to with this life of mine that I am making sad.
27:17But, like, it will come to an end, right?
27:19Here, this is the sentence of the T1 I was in as a couple.
27:22At this point Andrea Nucera suddenly changes the subject.
27:26He begins to tell us about his legal issues, about how he felt persecuted because of the story of Cereale's T1,
27:33this construction site of eight buildings, one hundred apartments in the province of Savona.
27:37It was supposed to be a haven of peace.
27:39Today it is in total abandonment.
27:41From here, years ago, the legal troubles of Nucera began, with the seizure of the area and the serious accusation
27:47of illegal subdivision.
27:49Charge reduced after the trial for illegal construction, which can also be remedied.
27:53And as he speaks of this injustice, Nucera suddenly changes his mind and returns to his children.
28:21Nucera's ex-wife tells us that for more than a year he has not paid alimony,
28:26so much so that he reported it to the prosecutor's office.
28:28The problem is that this man systematically shirks his responsibilities.
28:34It always has and always will.
28:36If not, I would not have filed a criminal complaint in Italy,
28:41which resulted in a referral of the subject's judgment,
28:46and a case from Abu Dhabi, where he didn't think I would be able to get.
28:53Now, we don't want to get into the merits of a legal battle with numerous complaints to the prosecutor's office
28:57on one side and the other.
29:01Andrea Nucera, a fugitive in Abu Dhabi due to events surrounding his business,
29:06he is also on trial for not paying alimony to his ex-wife.
29:10But no one can make him return to Italy because, as already said,
29:13There is no extradition treaty between our two countries.
29:16Or rather, the treaty exists, but it has not been ratified.
29:19Justice Minister Andrea Orlando and his Emirati counterpart Sultamil Saeed Al-Badi
29:25they signed it in September 2015.
29:28But at the Justice Committee of the House, as we had incorrectly told you,
29:32this treaty never reached us.
29:35So they couldn't put it on the calendar for ratification.
29:38because it was lost in a previous step.
29:41What happened to this extradition treaty?
29:46He disappeared around March 6, 2016.
29:50As you have already said, in September 2015 Minister Orlando went to Abu Dhabi
29:55to sign the agreement with his counterpart.
29:58The agreement went through all the steps it needed to go through,
30:01it ended at the pre-council meeting on March 6, if I remember correctly, 2016
30:05and from that moment he was stopped.
30:09So, the treaty was actually removed from the agenda of that Council of Ministers.
30:14It seems to be due to concerns about the death penalty, which exists in the Emirates for the crimes of murder and paedophilia.
30:21I pointed out that the death penalty is present in other legal systems of friendly countries such as the United States,
30:27with which we have and as a treaty on judicial cooperation and extradition.
30:32But did you give yourself an explanation?
30:33The explanation I gave myself is entirely political.
30:37Evidently there are strong and vital interests at this moment
30:41who want the United Arab Emirates to remain a free zone.
30:45More than a year has passed since that Council of Ministers
30:48and it would seem that they have forgotten about this treaty.
30:51Or is it just that difficult to make deals with the Emirates?
30:54I have to say that I had a moment of emotion
30:57when I saw on the agenda
30:59Cooperation Treaty between Italy and the Emirates.
31:02I hoped for a moment
31:03and instead it was the one between the universities for art and cultural heritage,
31:07which for goodness sake is very important,
31:09but report and confirm once again
31:11that when you want you can.
31:13Here you have to.
31:16Waiting for the extradition treaty between Italy and the Emirates
31:18We'll show you Luca Materazzo's photo again.
31:21According to the Naples prosecutor's office, he was the one who killed his brother Vittorio,
31:25but since he is expected for the arrest,
31:27behold, the young man walked away towards an unknown destination.
31:30Have you seen it?
31:31Does anyone know where Luca Materazzo is?