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00:09on today's show this lady in your words is horrendous she is horrendous she's a total
00:15liar and denise is on the jeremy carl show there's only been three people that i have married
00:24that one unfortunately was you which i wish i'd never done because you were a tough waste of space
00:31so why did you marry me in the first place probably because i felt sorry for you
00:36whenever i asked you for help with the kids where were you oh i'm too busy i've got to go
00:41to work
00:41i've got to do this i've got to do that
01:01time again you need to keep your nose out of this
01:31it's my god
01:34Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:37Now, our first guest today, Nigel, is here to confront his ex-wife, Denise,
01:40who he describes as a disgusting serial cheat
01:43who ended up marrying her own cousin.
01:47Nigel says Denise cheated on him with over 100 men whilst they were married.
01:50Not only this, but Nigel says Denise is a terrible mum
01:53who will put men and drugs first over her kids every time.
01:56And he says that she is the only one to blame
01:58for their children going to care due to her neglectful behaviour
02:01and says today he's here to expose her for the waste of space that she is.
02:06He says, today I find closure.
02:08Nigel is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
02:15Hello, Nigel.
02:17How are you, my friends?
02:19How are you? All right, thank you.
02:21This is about Denise. You're a serial cheat who marries your cousin.
02:24I'm your daughter's dad. You and Denise, how long were you married?
02:28About five, six years. Five or six years.
02:30If I asked you to explain or describe what you think of this woman,
02:34what would you say?
02:35Um...
02:38No offense, but...
02:39Oh, there we go.
02:40Shut up, you!
02:42There she is.
02:44You told my team Denise used to take drugs.
02:46She wouldn't do it in front of the kids because I wouldn't allow it.
02:49What drugs?
02:49I wouldn't allow it.
02:50Quite right, too, but...
02:52Cannabis.
02:53Occasional speed.
02:55So you stayed for six years with a woman who...
02:59Literally because of the kids.
03:01We're here today. I mean, the truth today is, Gemma,
03:05your potential daughter is here, and we say potential.
03:07That presumably comes from the fact that you don't know anything
03:10because this woman was permanently at it.
03:12Precisely.
03:13You eventually had enough of this woman who apparently would sleep around
03:16and allegedly would take drugs, and you left?
03:18I stayed at the matrimonial home.
03:21With the kids?
03:22With the kids.
03:22And she went?
03:23No, she stayed.
03:25And she used to bring blokes back, didn't she?
03:27Yep.
03:28You'd be watching the TV, and she'd be what?
03:30She'd go upstairs.
03:31Or into the kitchen, and drink, and everything else.
03:35Did you ever hear her having sex with somebody...
03:37Shut up out of the back there!
03:39You'll get your say in a minute.
03:41Shut up, yours!
03:42You'll get your say in a minute, so shut up.
03:45You're just a liar, not a girl!
03:49Use the token, Matthew.
03:52Be quiet, love you.
03:53Get your chance.
03:53How long did that arrangement go on before you left?
03:56About three months.
03:57Why did you leave?
03:59Because, basically, divorce, kids, blokes coming in.
04:05I couldn't stand it.
04:07Kids got taken into care after you left, in your words,
04:09because she was, without any shadow of a doubt,
04:11the most neglectful mother in the history of the world?
04:13Yes, I've also heard that from her eldest.
04:17Did you not see the kids after she left?
04:20Yeah, through social services care, yeah.
04:23Once every two months, for two hours.
04:27All their lives?
04:28All their lives.
04:29Is that enough?
04:30No.
04:31Do you believe that by leaving,
04:34you were part of the reason they went into care?
04:36Because if you're telling me that a woman sleeps around,
04:38takes drugs, and is a neglectful mother,
04:40there are people watching this who would go,
04:41why did you leave the kids?
04:43Why didn't you cuck her out and look after the kids yourself
04:44so they didn't go into care?
04:46That's all I'm saying.
04:47Yeah, I agree with you there on that one.
04:50I always believed I'm Gemma's dad.
04:52If not, it could be one of the hundreds of men,
04:54but today I want the truth.
04:55But most of all, I want the world to know
04:56that this lady, in your words, is horrendous.
04:59She is horrendous.
05:00She's a total liar, and I want it out in the open.
05:04Denise is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
05:09I'm a liar.
05:11You sit down, child.
05:12No, I won't let it down till I've had my say.
05:15I've slept with 100 men.
05:17Are you on a trip or something?
05:20I had one relationship after you.
05:24That was it.
05:25There's only been three people that I've married
05:29that one, unfortunately, was you,
05:32which I wish I'd never done
05:33because you were a total waste of space.
05:36You're not allowed to swear.
05:38The other one, four people, working out properly.
05:42I wish I'd never set eyes on Nigel.
05:47He's a disgusting, fat slob
05:48who physically made me feel sick.
05:51Well, can you blame me?
05:52Look at him.
05:53So why did you marry me in the first place?
05:55Probably because I felt sorry for you.
06:00Apparently, this is my favourite,
06:02he's the bleeding sheep.
06:03He wanted a threesome for his birthday.
06:05Is that right?
06:06I did get one, yes.
06:08She did.
06:09She arranged it.
06:10It's a bit rich, though.
06:11She says, not only did you cheat and have the threesome,
06:13you caught him having oral sex off a bird
06:15around the back of the house.
06:17I wish.
06:17I've never had a **** in all my life.
06:22So there were faints on that one.
06:26For God's sake, what is wrong with you people?
06:30Is that it?
06:31There are television programmes.
06:33Schofield's having his make-up done.
06:34People have just finished Good Morning Britain.
06:36And this guy will go, oh,
06:37because he's never had oral sex.
06:39That's what I know.
06:43Right, hold on.
06:44Let's talk about beyond that.
06:46He says, and I quote,
06:47you are the most disgusting example of a mother
06:51in the history of the world.
06:52Your kids, he says, were taken into care
06:55because you were neglectful,
06:57you were horrible, and you were nasty.
06:59You've got to answer that, darling.
07:00I'm not the perfect mum, no.
07:02And I've never made out.
07:03I am the perfect mum.
07:04There's a difference between being a good mum
07:05and one who allows their kids to go into care.
07:07Why do they go into care?
07:09Because they say...
07:10Because you put men and drugs before them, right?
07:12I had one relationship after that.
07:16That was it.
07:18You told my team you blame him completely
07:20for the kids going in care because he left.
07:23That's what it is.
07:24He was never there.
07:25Talk to him, love.
07:26Whenever I ask you for help with the kids,
07:28where were you?
07:29Oh, I'm too busy.
07:30I've got to go to work.
07:31I've got to do this.
07:32I've got to do that.
07:33Which would you prefer?
07:35Me going to work...
07:36But you said you were a great dad.
07:38...earning money so that the kids can have food,
07:41clothes, and a roof over the hedge.
07:43We're talking about after
07:45and just before the girls went into care.
07:47So where do you get that from?
07:49Which three...
07:50The three months?
07:52You weren't working when we split up.
07:55And what was the reason why I stopped working?
07:58But you said you were...
07:59Officially, you were supposed to be...
08:00You said you were a great dad.
08:02I asked you this before.
08:04If my...
08:05If she was this neglectful, horrible, nasty person,
08:08let me tell you, you know this.
08:09You came here today and you were saying,
08:11my daughter Gemma's fine with me
08:13and the other one Amy.
08:14They are not.
08:15They have nothing good to say about you as a mother.
08:18But I make the point again,
08:19they don't.
08:20Why didn't you,
08:21knowing what you say she was,
08:24be far more hands-on
08:25before your kids went into care?
08:27It doesn't make any sense.
08:30I was trying to be a father.
08:32You didn't do enough, did you?
08:33But I didn't do enough.
08:35I agree with it.
08:36I hold my hand up.
08:38But that's not good enough.
08:39They're in care.
08:40I read these notes.
08:41I mean, your notes.
08:43My producer saw the social services file
08:46on your...
08:47Gemma is here today, right,
08:48because she wants answers.
08:50Some of what he read is disgusting, darling,
08:53and you cannot get away from it.
08:55I've never tried to get away from it.
08:57But there's a difference between not being a good mother
08:59and being somebody who was such a bad mother,
09:02your kids want him to care.
09:04You've got to answer that.
09:05At least I was there for every court appearance
09:08and for every review meeting.
09:10Where were you?
09:11That's Gemma.
09:12That's Gemma.
09:13And Gemma, you can hear me, can't you?
09:15Yeah.
09:15Your mother arrived at this show today
09:17saying I have a perfect relationship with my daughter.
09:19She doesn't, does she?
09:21No.
09:21No?
09:22I'll tell you what.
09:23Give me that camera.
09:23I'm going to go to a break.
09:24After this break, Gemma, 21-year-old Gemma,
09:27who doesn't even know if that's her father
09:29who says that you're the worst example
09:31of a mother in the history of the world
09:33and you could have done more,
09:34is on the Jeremy Kyle Show next.
09:36Don't go anywhere.
09:43I want answers to why we got brought into care.
09:48The proper truth.
09:50She heard you were a prostitute.
09:52I've never been a prostitute.
09:54That's what it says in the reports.
09:56Oi! Oi!
09:59You'd believe anything on a piece of paper!
10:01Oi! Oi!
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10:41Thank you very much.
10:42Welcome back.
10:43Before the break,
10:44talking to Alexis or Nigel and Denise.
10:46He said,
10:46she slept around,
10:47took drugs,
10:48was a terrible mother.
10:49That's why the kids went into care.
10:50I was a good dad.
10:51You came out and said,
10:52no, no, no.
10:53He was a cheat.
10:54He was a fat, lazy slob.
10:55He was a waste of space.
10:56And if he'd done more,
10:58my kids would not have gone into care.
11:00The girl in the middle of this,
11:0221 years of age,
11:03Gemma, right,
11:03doesn't even know if you're her father.
11:05This is an impressive young girl.
11:07Gemma's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
11:08Give her a round of applause.
11:21I want you to be confident enough to speak the truth without him or her pulling the wool over your
11:29eyes.
11:29What's the truth in your words,
11:31darling?
11:31I want answers to why we got brought into care.
11:35The proper truth instead of trying to avoid it all from both of you.
11:42Not just one of you.
11:43Have you ever read your report?
11:45I've read some of it.
11:46Let's put that to a side.
11:48Let's talk to you, sweetheart.
11:49Brave of you to be here.
11:51What do you remember about your childhood?
11:53First memory.
11:53Not good.
11:54Tell me.
11:55Give me an example.
11:57Um...
11:59Not wanting to go back from school.
12:02Were you fed?
12:05Sometimes.
12:06It was mainly...
12:07I was whipped by my mother with a riding crop.
12:13And there was even proof from that through social...
12:16Come on!
12:17I'm drifting to it.
12:18No, I'm asking you.
12:19Did you whip your daughter with a riding crop?
12:23What do you think?
12:24Do you know what?
12:24Do you know what?
12:25People like you don't deserve to have damn children.
12:28That's the truth.
12:30And you...
12:32And you...
12:33You can't sit there all pious with your arm around your daughter.
12:37Any man worth his salt, if he thought that was going on,
12:40would have got his head out of his backside
12:42and taken his kids and run for the damn moves.
12:44You're on a responsible thing.
12:46I even asked him to give me help with the...
12:49It's all about you, isn't it?
12:50It's you two and the arguments.
12:52This kid, this is what this is about.
12:54Give me more.
12:55Come on.
12:55Tell them the truth.
12:56I can remember my mum ringing my dad up,
12:58asking if he'd put the lottery on.
13:02Because he'd forgot, because he was, like, busy with work
13:05or whatever it was he was doing.
13:07With that, my mum turned around and went,
13:09well, don't bother coming back, because you're not welcome.
13:13And with that, as soon as he walked through the door,
13:15it was a still walk around his face.
13:18Is that true?
13:20Yep.
13:21You heard your mother...
13:22Lottery numbers came up.
13:23You heard your mother works in a strip club, right?
13:26Yeah, it was a nightclub.
13:27She heard you were a prostitute.
13:30I've never been a prostitute.
13:32That's what it says in the reports.
13:33I've never been a prostitute.
13:35That's what it says in the reports.
13:38Yes, I have worked in a gentleman's club.
13:41Who's that?
13:41Who's that?
13:42That's David.
13:43That's her cousin.
13:44That was not a prostitute.
13:46Sorry, you're married to your cousin?
13:48Yes.
13:50And it is perfectly legal before you start...
13:53It is perfectly legal.
13:53I should make that out.
13:55...creating about it.
13:56David, shut up.
13:56You'll get your chance in a minute.
13:58Oi!
13:59Oi, listen.
14:00Oi!
14:02You'd believe anything on a piece of paper!
14:04Oi!
14:05Oi!
14:06I'm talking to a 21-year-old girl who's come here from answers, OK?
14:10That's more important than you sounding up.
14:12Aren't you, bastard?
14:15Get rid of him.
14:17Talk to me.
14:19Your childhood was awful, wasn't it?
14:21And you blamed both of them, or you blamed one more than the other, what?
14:25Yeah, all right, my dad got kicked out.
14:28But he could have taken you with him!
14:31I didn't have a house.
14:32He didn't have a house, so...
14:33I didn't have anywhere to go.
14:34...at the time, he couldn't.
14:37How would you know you wasn't even there?
14:40You had a place you could go to.
14:42Going into care was a blessing because I was finally away from her.
14:50You haven't denied anything, have you?
14:51Did you take drugs?
14:53I used to take cannabis.
14:57Why, then, with all of this?
14:58You get into care, it's a blessing in disguise.
15:01This is the bit I didn't understand.
15:02When you came out of care, you went to live with your mother.
15:04Why?
15:04Well, people kept saying that she'd changed, but...
15:08What was it like when you got there?
15:10At first, it was all right, and then...
15:13It went sort of downhill.
15:15You say, I live with her.
15:18Her house was disgusting.
15:19There was faeces everywhere.
15:21And then there's an alligator...
15:22Oh, listen, what, mate?
15:24Mate, you want to pin back your luggles and listen to the next bit?
15:27Her partner, David, her cousin, tell me more.
15:30What made your skin crawl?
15:32Him watching porn.
15:33You told my team he tried it on with you?
15:35Yeah.
15:37When...
15:39Shut up, you.
15:40After you caught him watching porn, let's quicken this up.
15:43He sat on the edge of your bed.
15:44What did he say to you?
15:45He turned around and said,
15:46what would you do if an older bloke made a pass at you?
15:49So that's your cousin you've married, which is legal,
15:52trying it on with your daughter and giving it large.
15:55David's on the Jeremy Giles.
15:56Show me that.
16:03You're lying, Tom.
16:04How are you?
16:05Who stayed in our house?
16:07Sit down.
16:08Who stayed in our house?
16:09You're going to allow him to call your daughter a tart?
16:11Who the hell got me arrested for something that I didn't even do?
16:14And that even got proven by the police?
16:16There's four people living in the house.
16:18Two people didn't steal the money.
16:20Only left you two.
16:21Who are you?
16:22One of you two there.
16:23This even got proved by the police.
16:25You're a boyfriend.
16:26We didn't touch any of that money.
16:28I'll bring you on.
16:28No, I was just saying he wouldn't run with him because I was into this in evidence.
16:33Is that true, though?
16:34You tried it on with her, did you?
16:34No, it isn't.
16:35Well, why would she say that, then?
16:37Because she's a liar, a little tart.
16:38Is this her boyfriend?
16:40I'm getting him on.
16:40Jamie's done the Jeremy Giles.
16:47So-called money, which is a load of...
16:49Mind my language, sorry.
16:51No, that's all right.
16:52You've got us all done by police.
16:53Oh, look, they let us go because we were all in the city.
16:56Because it wasn't proved.
16:58CPS was done with it.
16:59I'm telling you.
17:01And checked it for fingerprints.
17:02There was nothing on there.
17:04I'm asking you.
17:06Can I ask?
17:06Do me a favour.
17:07I like the fact you came out and defended her, right?
17:09You're with that, yeah?
17:10Yeah, that.
17:11The worst example of a mother.
17:13She was.
17:14Hold on.
17:16She was violent.
17:18She was neglectful.
17:20She slept around.
17:21She took drugs.
17:22You're happy with that, are you?
17:24No, I'm not happy with that because it didn't happen.
17:26She's admitted it did.
17:28Are you totally stupid?
17:28As far as I'm concerned, it didn't happen.
17:30Well, let's just explain this in layman's terms that you might or might not understand.
17:35She admitted to attacking him, right?
17:39I know about attacking him with a croc.
17:41Not eating, not feeding her kids.
17:43Sleeping around and taking drugs.
17:46So, in your world, how do you answer that?
17:49I know about him.
17:51Useless mother, mate.
17:52How do you answer it?
17:54No, she's not a useless mother.
17:55Who was there through every court appearance when they were in care and somebody else didn't
18:02turn up?
18:02You've got to answer that.
18:03You weren't there.
18:04You've got to balance it.
18:05You weren't.
18:05You weren't there.
18:06We even offered to run you up there one time in a car and you said no.
18:11When we got there, you looked around and you didn't turn up.
18:16Forget the journey.
18:17Why weren't you in court?
18:18It needs to be asked.
18:19Because they never told me it was in Leicester.
18:21So, why weren't you fighting to find out about the court dates to get your children back?
18:27I'm not sure.
18:27I'm not sure.
18:28I'm not sure.
18:28I'm not sure.
18:29I'm going to say this, Jeremy.
18:30I even sent them Christmas presents.
18:33The Christmas presents went through social services and got sent back to me.
18:38You must wake up every morning knowing what's happened and wish you hadn't left them in
18:42that house.
18:43Yes or no?
18:43I wish I'd have took them with me.
18:44Have you ever told them that?
18:45Even if they were in the car with me.
18:48Have you ever told them that?
18:49At one point, I was sleeping in the car.
18:50Have you ever told her that?
18:51No.
18:52Why not?
18:54Because they, social services, moved them to...
18:56Have you ever told Gemma?
18:58No.
18:59Why not?
18:59You're her father, allegedly.
19:01We've got to find that out.
19:01Oh, he might not even be the father.
19:03Were you in the frame?
19:04I wasn't around.
19:06This is the lady that matters in this story.
19:08You were the one who wanted to come here.
19:10Tell me about your relationship with Jamie.
19:11I love the fact you came out and defended her.
19:12We're close.
19:14Even though, yeah, right, my mum and David don't really like him that much.
19:19Why don't you like him?
19:22That was made to him.
19:23Because he's a young guy that can't look after himself.
19:27He can't peel a spud to save his life.
19:30Yeah, all right, he can't peel a potato, but he knows how to cook.
19:34Okay.
19:34So what?
19:35As far as I'm concerned...
19:36You lived with them.
19:37What was that, like?
19:38Who's the one who watches porn and rub himself off when he gets his people in that house?
19:43Do you watch porn, do you?
19:44Yes, he does.
19:45No, I don't.
19:45Oh, you liar.
19:46The only time I watch porn is in the bedroom.
19:49Yeah, and now since.
19:50If you think no one's in.
19:52No, I don't.
19:53Yes, you do.
19:54No, I don't.
19:55His house, though, presumably he can watch porn at his house.
19:57Yeah, but it's disgusting.
19:58Do you know what I mean?
19:59You can hear it.
19:59Right, you know, you've been very, very quiet.
20:04You've had a lot leveled at you.
20:05Do you have any defense for what's been said to you?
20:08Seriously, because it's important you get a chance,
20:11but you've admitted everything that I've said.
20:12You took drugs, you cheated, you dragged, you weren't a great mother.
20:16Well, for a start, yes, I have worked in a gentleman's club.
20:19In your mind, did you do a good job as a mother?
20:22No, I didn't.
20:24Why?
20:26Because I didn't have a good role model myself.
20:30Well, then I would suggest a good piece of advice for anybody watching this
20:34in your position would be to not have damn children.
20:39This is really interesting.
20:44This lady, I want to welcome her to the show.
20:46Give Amy a round of applause, please.
20:47Can we get a chance?
20:55Just explain who you are.
20:56I'm a daughter, well...
20:58You're her daughter, but with another man.
21:00Yeah.
21:01And I tell you what, how the...
21:03You can sit there and disrespect my nan, she gave you a wild.
21:07No, she didn't.
21:08Yes, she didn't.
21:09No, she didn't.
21:10You can chitch your mouth.
21:11You can chitch your mouth.
21:12No, she didn't.
21:13I have no idea since she was that high.
21:15Time again, you need to keep your nose out of...
21:24You were there when I was a kid, were you?
21:27You were there when I was sent off to boarding school.
21:30You were there when I was sent off to live with other family members, were you?
21:33Because my mum and dad couldn't be bothered with me
21:35and my own father wants me dead.
21:37Then why wouldn't that convince you as a mother
21:40that when you get the joy of giving your own children
21:42that you do a damn different job to them
21:44and you're there when I was sent off to live with other family members?
21:47I didn't answer that.
21:48I just tried for a good one.
21:50Well, you didn't...
21:51I mean, look, this isn't just me.
21:53Amy, what's your relationship like?
21:55Obviously not great.
21:55Do you have any relationship...
21:56We don't have one.
21:57We don't have one.
21:57And I don't want one.
21:58And I'm telling you now,
22:00after today,
22:01you will never, ever see me again.
22:04Never.
22:09No, it's not...
22:11I'm not saying that.
22:12I would like a relationship with my daughter.
22:14What about acknowledgement of what you didn't do
22:16and what you've done wrong in the past, love?
22:18I've always said to both of them,
22:20yeah, all right, I wasn't a perfect mother.
22:23And I should have done better.
22:25How much responsibility do you take?
22:2750%?
22:29At one point, I would say about 30, maybe 40%.
22:34Amy, before I go to the break,
22:36I'm going to come back with the DNA results.
22:37The big question is, is Nige her dad?
22:40What's your view on this?
22:42I think he is.
22:42I think it's disgusting.
22:44I hope so.
22:44Do you think it's disgusting it's taken 21 years?
22:46Yeah, I do.
22:47And do you want a relationship with your mother?
22:49Me?
22:50After I've got my stuff,
22:51I don't think there is going to be one.
22:54Well, if that's the case,
22:56when we get back,
22:57you've got to take the money out of the bank account then
22:58because at the moment,
22:59you're using somebody else's bank account for your money.
23:01You really are one of them.
23:02I have no money.
23:04Is that really all that matters to you,
23:07you smug, horrible little man?
23:08I'm going to a break
23:09and when I'm back,
23:10DNA results is he, a father.
23:1321 years, this girl doesn't know the answer.
23:15We're back in a minute.
23:16Don't go anywhere.
23:17The DNA test results show that Nigel...
23:31Your language is vile.
23:33Look at you, don't you?
23:33And by the time...
23:34I'm going to make sure this woman has nothing to do...
23:38You're not going to get past you, are you?
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23:49Do you need to prove your innocence?
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24:23I'm not going to recap.
24:25I know you're nervous and I know it's a massive day.
24:27I find it disgusting that this girl's waited 21 years to find out if Nigel's her dad.
24:32I'm going to say right here and now, you're both at fault here.
24:36You know you are, Nigel.
24:38And you know that you massively are.
24:40Yeah.
24:40The fact that your two daughters, one of whom, Nigel isn't her father,
24:44the other's about to find out for years,
24:46are sat with him, speaks damn volumes, love, of the job that you didn't do.
24:50You need to look in the mirror and realise you didn't do enough for these kids.
24:55I know I didn't do enough.
24:56But that's not good enough, is it?
24:59I'm not sorry, John.
25:01I've always told her to say to both of them that I'm sorry for their upbringing.
25:06Has she?
25:07Yeah, but sorry's not always good enough, though, is it?
25:10You've got to actually physically prove it.
25:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
25:17You've got to have a chance after chance to sit down and talk about it.
25:21Look at that night, I was at yours, and I sat there and I asked you one question,
25:24and you've got to wait for me.
25:26If it hadn't been for him getting in the way, you'd have hit me.
25:28You went for your daughter, did you?
25:30I pushed her onto the settee.
25:32You don't deserve, kids.
25:33The DNA test results show that Nigel...
25:37He is your dad.
25:40CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
25:41Do you want to laugh?
25:43Do you want to laugh?
25:44Do you want to laugh?
25:44Do you want to laugh?
25:45Do you want to laugh?
25:47Do you want to laugh?
25:47Do you want to laugh?
25:56Do you want to laugh?
26:02I think, can you do one?
26:04Bye.
26:08Thanks a lot.
26:10Appreciate it.
26:10Give him a round of applause.
26:11CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
26:18You have to acknowledge that there is responsibility on your plate.
26:22I have.
26:24And I accept that.
26:25I think you have.
26:25I think you now know the truth.
26:27I think shame on you that you didn't do this soon.
26:33I think you have to work hard for both of these girls, all right?
26:38Yeah.
26:38Give him a round of applause, guys.
26:40No, no, no, no, no.
26:43You two sit there.
26:44Together there.
26:48Why'd you come here?
26:49To get answers.
26:51And to get the truth.
26:53Because that's what we both need.
26:55Do you know what's really weird?
26:57I don't believe underneath you don't care.
27:00I just believe that you've spent a long, long time and your way of defending what you accept
27:06was unbelievably bad parenting is to shout.
27:11Look your daughters in the eyes and tell them truthfully, without anybody else saying anything,
27:16how you feel and how you feel about the way you treated them.
27:20I'm disgusted.
27:23Horrified.
27:25Yeah, I wasn't a good mum.
27:27They do it differently?
27:29Yeah.
27:30Yeah.
27:31Because you've surprised me with what you just said and I knew it was in there, but I don't
27:34think they've ever heard it, babe.
27:35I don't think you've ever gone out on a limb.
27:37I think you've defended yourself because you're too scared, to be honest.
27:41It's pretty obvious to everybody in the audience here and at home, it's a cycle.
27:44I can't obviously talk in too much detail about people who aren't here, but you said that
27:48your upbringing was rubbish.
27:50Their upbringing was rubbish.
27:52Somebody has to break this cycle and the only way you're going to break this cycle is
27:55by putting your heads together, listening to stuff that you don't want to listen to,
27:59getting some answers and if that's not enough, at least you can draw a line in the sand and
28:02move on with your life.
28:03You're shaking your head, Amy.
28:05Amy, I know.
28:06Do you want to know something I've learned, Amy?
28:09Amy, you won't ever see her again after today, I accept that, but whatever you might or
28:13might not want to say, you want to do it here, not now, in a controlled environment and
28:18cleanse yourself and go and move on with your life.
28:20I don't believe your sister here would be here unless she did not want a relationship,
28:26but she wants to put this right.
28:27I came here for my sister because she needed support and it would be nice to get some answers
28:33out of her because every time I've tried in the privates...
28:36Can we try and facilitate that?
28:39If that is the one thing we've achieved today for me, that's good.
28:41Will you do that with your daughters?
28:42Mm-hmm.
28:43Drop the facade.
28:45I'm not saying and I haven't throughout this whole part that it was you.
28:50Nigel is as culpable as you are.
28:53You both messed up.
28:55Now is a chance, through honesty and communication, to put it right, as far as it can be.
29:01Yes?
29:01Yes.
29:01I'm going to ask all three of you, all three of you, to go that way and Graeme will spend
29:06some time.
29:07Nobody else.
29:08Yes?
29:08Yes.
29:09A pleasure.
29:10I really appreciate it.
29:10Thank you for having me on the show.
29:12Very important.
29:14Go.
29:20Good luck to them.
29:21We'll keep you posted.
29:22Right, my next guest today, Holly, is here to confront boyfriend Thomas, whom she worries
29:25is keeping her and their relationship a secret because she, in fact, thinks this guy is leading
29:30a double life.
29:30She says the last straw came when people told her he's been seen romantically linked with
29:34other women whilst they are supposed to have been in a relationship.
29:36But today she says, I want the truth.
29:38She says, if he fails the lie detector, she says, I'm walking away for good.
29:42Big day for her, Holly's on the car show that way.
29:50Nice to meet you.
29:51We'll cut straight to it.
29:53You and, the thing is, now, we've met him before.
29:55Yeah.
29:56And I am, it's really difficult because I would be perceived as a cynical man.
30:01Okay?
30:02I've been with Thomas for four months.
30:04I'm a princess and deserve to be treated like one.
30:06Yeah.
30:07Does he treat you like a princess?
30:08No, he treats me like a mug.
30:09Well, why don't you kick him to the curb then?
30:11Why are you with him?
30:12What's the point of even having this number set?
30:13This lie, this lie coming here to prove that everything.
30:16You, you pay, you give him money, you provide him with food, you put a roof over his head.
30:20Why?
30:21Because I...
30:21Shut up.
30:23I felt...
30:23Shut up.
30:25You want, lad?
30:25What?
30:26What did he say?
30:27What did he say?
30:30What?
30:31I've said, you're...
30:32That's what I've said.
30:39I'm a what?
30:40That's what I've said.
30:41Your language is vile.
30:43Look at you, lad.
30:43And by the time I'm finished, I'm going to make sure this woman has nothing to do...
30:48You're going to get past him, are you?
30:50Oh, no.
30:50You're not...
30:53You're a...
30:54You're a little boy who's going to be found out.
30:58Oh, whatever.
31:00Sit down and wipe your own backside, little boy.
31:05You want to be with that?
31:06I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
31:08Right, for everybody, lose his picture, you're going to wise up.
31:12This is the last time.
31:13Play the clip, Matt, now.
31:16You're back, because he's now accusing you of sleeping with his bird, Emily, despite the
31:20fact that you're with Sarah and she's pregnant.
31:22Yeah.
31:22It's 50-50.
31:23No one's told you the truth.
31:24And I bet you're 100% guaranteed I'll pass this low-tech test today.
31:27Yeah.
31:28Watch.
31:28We'll see.
31:29Your boyfriend thinks that you've been up to no good with his cousin.
31:33Well, he can think what he wants.
31:33Talk to him.
31:34He can think what he wants.
31:36The low-tech test will prove that I haven't slept with him.
31:39We asked Thomas, have you ever had sexual intercourse with Emily?
31:44You said no.
31:45Why did you say no?
31:46I was telling the truth.
31:47He was telling the truth, Paul Luke.
31:51Then we asked, have you ever passionately kissed Emily?
31:53Thomas said no.
31:54Why did you say no?
31:55I'm telling the truth.
31:56Tess says you're a liar, pal.
31:58No, I'm not lying.
31:59Oh, really?
32:00But he said you didn't have sex with her.
32:01It says you did kiss her.
32:03No, I didn't.
32:03And then it says, have you ever had sexual contact with Emily?
32:06You said no.
32:07He was right.
32:08That says you lied on that question.
32:09Was there any part of you that thought that that was going to happen?
32:14Because I didn't.
32:17That's the last girlfriend crying.
32:19He's a liar, love.
32:21You've given him food, a roof over his head and money, and he once kept me locked in my
32:25flat whilst he went for a stroll in the park with another bird.
32:27I like you, but I want to make you wise up.
32:30He's not good enough for you, darling.
32:35I told my team I've seen him touch up other girls in front of me.
32:40Yeah.
32:41It's made me feel horrible.
32:43I think he's embarrassed to be with me.
32:46Yeah, that's how it feels.
32:48You don't have photos together.
32:51Nobody knows about me.
32:53I woke up once to find that he wasn't in bed with me, but he was in bed with another
32:56woman.
32:57Can I tell you something, right?
32:59In life, and I know it's difficult when you feel like that for somebody, and you put your
33:02eggs into one basket and everybody says, oh, he's no good, and you go, yeah, he is, yeah,
33:06he is.
33:07We set our own bar in life.
33:09Yeah.
33:09And if you want to be treated like that, stay with somebody like him.
33:14If you actually could, I mean, look, he's done a lie detector, I'm sure.
33:19I'm sure, you know, you'll find an excuse to stay with him.
33:21But one thing you should take from today, walk away and work out whether you deserve
33:27more in your life.
33:27That's the most important thing.
33:29Should we get him to speak?
33:33He says, I will prove that I'm not a cheat.
33:36Maybe I'll swallow my words, because apparently he's got it in for me.
33:38I don't quite know why, because we've already proven that he's a cheat.
33:41And I'll give you even money.
33:42He's lied to you as well.
33:43Thomas is back on the Jeremy Kyle show.
33:52You did cheat before, though, didn't you?
33:54Did cheat before.
33:55Yeah, of course I did.
33:56So why won't you have a picture taken with this girl?
33:58She says she feels like you're embarrassed by her.
34:00Huh?
34:01I'm not with me, mate.
34:02Don't worry with one bit.
34:04I'm not a cheat, yeah, so I don't care what anybody says.
34:06Yeah, of course I'm going to have a...
34:07But you cheated last time.
34:08We know you...
34:09Yeah, but at the end of the day...
34:10No, no, but you cheated last time.
34:12What are you going to think of, yeah?
34:13What are you going to think of?
34:14If I'm not with a girl, yeah, can I cheat?
34:15Tell me that.
34:16Thomas, you're a liar.
34:17I'll be all right in the morning.
34:19Thomas, you know exactly what you're doing.
34:20Oh, what a shame.
34:21Flirting in front of me in my own flat, locking me in my own flat, sharing bed with other girls.
34:26Why do you keep lying to all these lies?
34:28You know what, I don't understand about this story.
34:30Shut up, Jeremy, shut up, yeah?
34:31What are you lying for, yeah?
34:32What are you telling these, like, yeah, I don't feed you, I don't do...
34:36So who's dating takes all the time?
34:38Who?
34:38I'm the one who does...
34:39I'm the one who does the food shopping.
34:42I'll tell you what I don't get, if it's all right, speak on me on the show.
34:44You told us you've had sex.
34:45You told my team you've never had sex.
34:46No, we haven't.
34:47You're a liar, Thomas.
34:48We did it twice.
34:49Oh, because I want to take this lie.
34:51Because you're lying.
34:53Stop lying.
34:54Don't give me a face, Thomas.
34:54Stop lying, yeah, to make all these lies, like, yeah, believe you.
34:57But no one's going to believe you.
34:58Why should I lie, then, Thomas?
35:00Why should I lie?
35:01So you don't want to be with her?
35:02Thomas, no, there's a word because you're cheating.
35:05You're a player.
35:06And why are you with him?
35:07Why don't you kick him to the curb, then?
35:08I'm finished with him, Thomas.
35:11So you don't want to be with him, and you don't want to be with him.
35:15Can I get the results, please, Will?
35:16Yeah.
35:16You're going to pass?
35:17Yeah, I am, yeah.
35:18So on the last test, you failed, and you accept that was right, you lied.
35:21But this one, you're going to pass.
35:22How short are you going to pass?
35:23How short?
35:24100%, because I know he's lying to you.
35:25How many people in the audience think he's going to fail this test?
35:27Put it out, boys.
35:29That's it.
35:32Since the start of your relationship with Holly, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone
35:35else?
35:36He said no.
35:36Why did you say no?
35:37Because I was telling the truth.
35:38He was telling the truth!
35:43Since the start of your relationship with Holly, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
35:46She said no.
35:46Why did you say no?
35:47Tell the truth.
35:48Lying.
35:48No, I'm not.
35:49You're not.
35:50Since the start of your relationship with Holly, sit down.
35:52I know, yeah.
35:52Have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
35:55No.
35:55Exactly the same as the first girl.
35:57No sex, but everything else.
35:59Which begs the question, I've got this strange feeling about you.
36:03So you meet women, and they buy you food and clothes and put a roof over you.
36:07And then you go off and have a little snog or a grope with a lot of women, but you
36:11don't
36:12seem to have sex with anybody.
36:14Come on in, I'm not.
36:42You use today as a warning, right?
36:45Yeah.
36:46You are better than that.
36:47In life, we set a bar.
36:50You're a nice girl.
36:51You can do better than that.
36:52But the thing you have to do, she is learn to be on your own and be content.
37:00And then when you are, the right person will come along and he will treat you like a princess.
37:03I don't want nothing to do with you.
37:04You don't have to have anything to do with him.
37:06I don't want nothing to do with you, Thomas.
37:07It's school.
37:09Come on.
37:15Right after breaking a relationship that really is at a crucial point.
37:18You're not winning with my friends because I'm right back.
37:20Where'd you come?
37:22I brought my family back.
37:28I've got plenty of reasons to do this.
37:29You know what?
37:30He's not alone.
37:41Thank you very much for your welcome back.
37:43My next guest today, Cara, is at breaking point with her on-off partner of eight years, Grant Jew, to
37:48his out-of-control gambling addiction.
37:50She says that he's racked up thousands of pounds worth of debt, has risked losing her home, and says a
37:54partner has even stolen from him in the past to fund his habit.
37:57They have two young kids.
37:58And she says she's sick of him putting gambling before them.
38:01She says, today, I don't actually even want to be here.
38:04It is absolutely his last chance.
38:05She said, this man is ruining mine and the kids' lives.
38:09Big day for her.
38:09Cara's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
38:21You have split up at the moment, and a grand partner of eight years, two kids, five and four months.
38:28You say that he had his first bet when you fell pregnant with our first kid at this point.
38:32I wasn't worried.
38:33No, I didn't think nothing of it.
38:34And we moved in together, and it just started from then, really.
38:37He couldn't afford to provide for us, so he started gambling.
38:41Didn't you get a letter from the council saying that six months' rent hadn't been paid?
38:45What's that like when you've got a...
38:47Well, I've got a victim letter.
38:49Obviously, I panicked because of the baby.
38:52Do you feel like he's conned you all the way?
38:54I do now.
39:01Right, 4th of September, 10 o'clock of the evening, 100 quid.
39:05That's tennis, go down single, more tennis that evening, more tennis.
39:12Does it go back?
39:14600 pounds in one day.
39:15600 pounds.
39:18Four to six on.
39:20He lost that bet.
39:23Two grand in one day.
39:24Online or in a bookie's?
39:26Well, online mostly, but if he was to find a quid, he'd be straight down a bookie's.
39:31Um, you reckon he's lost over all 50 grand?
39:35Our kids don't have a proper dad, they don't deserve it.
39:37He blames me.
39:38He blames you.
39:39Why does he blame you?
39:40Everything.
39:41Why?
39:41If I upset him, he'll bet.
39:44If he says to me, oh, Cora, I've got a dead set bet, can I have a tenner?
39:49I'll say no.
39:50If that bet was to come in, that'd be my fault.
39:53A dead set bet?
39:54What does that mean?
39:54Certainty?
39:55Yeah.
39:55On certainties is a bet.
39:57Well, he'll make me think that he's going to win, and he'll say, can I have a tenner?
40:03Do you know what about the money, the thing that I read this morning that shocked me even
40:05more is that your five-year-old, he doesn't even have a bond with this child because he's
40:09just so interested only.
40:10Straight after she was born, we broke up, and since then there's been no bond.
40:15Are you with him now?
40:16No.
40:16Did you finish it?
40:17Yeah.
40:18You're still in love with him, though, don't you?
40:19But the weight's been lifted.
40:21I love him that much, and I want him to start enjoying life again.
40:25You know, just to smile and just be happy.
40:28Who rang this show?
40:29Me.
40:31Why?
40:38Because we're together.
40:40We're amazing together.
40:41We've got three beautiful children.
40:44Everything's perfect.
40:46Everything is perfect.
40:47It's just the gambling.
40:49I suspect that if you look at him there, the shame of the last couple of minutes is beginning
40:54to be...
40:56Do you think he can change?
40:58Yeah, I'd like to think so.
41:01For himself.
41:03Let's get him out, ladies and gentlemen.
41:04Grant's on the Jeremy Car Show.
41:05You're amazing, by the way.
41:06Give him a round of applause.
41:20When you listen to that, tell her what that does to you.
41:25It just kills me.
41:28In two.
41:30I'm so fixated in it, like, because I've made so much money, and then I've just won big loss,
41:34and I'm just chasing it and chasing it.
41:37About every day?
41:39If I've got the money, yeah.
41:41About your kids?
41:43No father at all.
41:44Her words.
41:45Never been taken out.
41:46Never been taken out for dinner.
41:48Never paid your way.
41:50You can sit there with your eyes on the floor, mate.
41:52You can do something about it.
41:52Why didn't you phone this show?
41:54Why don't you turn your life around for your kids, for the woman who loves you?
41:56Why do you sit there and feel sorry for yourself?
41:57I don't feel sorry for myself.
41:58Of course you do.
41:59It's written all over your face.
42:00Why haven't you done something about it, then, when your kids were born?
42:02Someone got an addiction.
42:03An addiction?
42:03Well, deal something with the addiction.
42:05Go and do something about it.
42:06I've done cancelling.
42:07Did you?
42:07Why didn't it work, then?
42:08I just didn't.
42:09Why?
42:09Because you think you can beat the odds, yeah?
42:11When was the last bet you had?
42:13About a week ago.
42:13Talking to the wrong person when it comes to betting.
42:15What did you bet on?
42:16A snooker.
42:17Snooker?
42:18Who?
42:18A game, a match, a frame, what?
42:20Tell me.
42:21It was a match.
42:23Alan O'Sullivan.
42:24Who won?
42:25O'Sullivan.
42:26Did you back O'Sullivan?
42:27Why?
42:29Because I got it wrong.
42:30How much did you bet?
42:32It's a tenner.
42:34To win?
42:35I don't know, 25.
42:39Chasing's a really important word that you used earlier.
42:42The minute you chase anything like that, you can't win.
42:45I know I've got a problem.
42:46I know I have.
42:46Why don't you phone here?
42:48Why don't you do something?
42:49I'm scared.
42:49I'm scared.
42:50All right, that's the most honest.
42:51I'm scared of...
42:51Scared of what?
42:53Like...
42:53No one knows.
42:54No one, like...
42:55They do know.
42:56I know they do know.
42:57When she said you were coming here, what was your first reaction?
43:01Shane?
43:03Embarrassed.
43:04I didn't want to come.
43:05I'm first.
43:06Why did you come?
43:09So I want my family back.
43:11That's the real you.
43:13She's right.
43:13That's the real you.
43:14And two beautiful girls, Grant.
43:16I know.
43:18You've gotten that bond back with her.
43:21I mean, the youngest, you were amazing in the first two weeks, weren't you?
43:26You did everything for her.
43:28And then we slip back into it again and it's just all downhill after that.
43:32I try so hard.
43:34In my head, I know what I want to do.
43:35I mean, I just...
43:36As soon as I get a bit of money, I just...
43:38You work?
43:40Yeah, on and off.
43:43I used to work really hard, you know?
43:44He is hard working.
43:46It got to a point when he was doing 50 hours a week to provide for us, but this is
43:52serious.
43:53I use my, like, betting account.
43:56There's a lot of bank accounts.
43:57Yeah.
43:57I know.
43:58These whole wages go into it.
44:00I know.
44:00I've got this card.
44:01I didn't get the money out.
44:02I know.
44:04It's...
44:04I don't know.
44:05Can't win, pal.
44:07Do you know that?
44:09I know.
44:09Worst thing that happened to you is you had a big win.
44:11Then you lost it, then you chased it.
44:14Can't win.
44:15I know.
44:16He's killing me.
44:17I'll end up dead.
44:18What you can do is you can change your life, see your family who are being killed by your actions.
44:22Now, you might not think that you're strong enough to this.
44:24Can I get a chair, please?
44:26Give me a round of applause.
44:27Graham's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
44:35Listen and listen good.
44:39Before he speaks, I'm going to tell you something.
44:41These are the stories that I resonate with for the reasons everybody knows, right?
44:45What we got, G?
44:46What are you thinking?
44:48Well, you know, your partner obviously wants you to change, but it's how much you want to change,
44:52because you've already been through a community treatment programme, haven't you?
44:55When you went into that community treatment programme, you wanted to change.
45:01But then within two weeks, you relapsed.
45:04Why?
45:04And we need to visit that.
45:06It's everywhere I go, isn't it?
45:07It's my friend, like, down the pub.
45:09Change your friends.
45:10Don't go to the pub.
45:11Stay with your wife.
45:11Look after your kids.
45:13APPLAUSE
45:15That's what they say.
45:17They always say about the peer group, they say about drug addicts, you go back to the
45:20place where people are dealing drugs, you go back to the pub, you've got to change
45:23your life.
45:23So you will want to have a bet every single moment of every hour of every week for the
45:27rest of your life.
45:28It's finding ways of dealing with that and changing the way you live your life.
45:31That's what he's here for.
45:35Because you've tried a community treatment programme, what I'm going to offer you today
45:39is something different.
45:41And that is a residential treatment programme.
45:44Because what you asked me this morning was, I need to change, do something for me.
45:50That's what I'm going to offer you.
45:52How long, G?
45:53You are going away for four weeks.
45:56OK?
46:02Yes, I know.
46:04100%.
46:04100%?
46:05I didn't think you'd say that.
46:06Do you mean that?
46:07100%.
46:08Let me tell you, we've worked long and hard on this.
46:10So you're going away for four weeks, you're going to the Providence Project in Bournemouth.
46:16Wow.
46:17And the reason why I put you in a residential is for that reason that you said.
46:21And that is, it's all around me.
46:23For four weeks, 24-7, you will be focused on you.
46:28The most important thing that you're focusing on is relapse prevention.
46:33Because you're going to be there for four weeks.
46:35It will be a structured programme.
46:37Let's find out what the psychological issues are below that.
46:40Let's do all of that.
46:42And then in four weeks' time, you will have worked so hard, you can beat this.
46:56I actually really admire the fact you came here.
46:59And I'm also really glad when we do these for the reasons that everybody knows, right?
47:02You are ready, aren't you?
47:05You've got plenty of reasons to do this.
47:06You know what?
47:07He's not alone.
47:08There are 600,000, approximately, problem gamblers in this country.
47:14Yeah.
47:15You're not alone in this.
47:16I bet it's more than that.
47:16But you get a massive opportunity today, okay?
47:20That's the difference.
47:22Talk to him.
47:22You get the last word.
47:24Just do it for us, Grant.
47:25I will.
47:26Then babies.
47:28I will.
47:29Give her a kiss and get out of here with Graham.
47:36All right?
47:37I promise you.
47:38That's the chance.
47:39There you go.
47:41Grant?
47:42Grant for you.
47:43Grant.
47:45She's smiling.
47:46I just said hard for you.
47:47She went, no.
47:47He's got 30 days.
47:49He's got a chance to be home, as you said, for Christmas with his kids.
47:51He will not get a better offer.
47:53I think you are amazing.
47:55We'll keep you here.
47:55I am out of time for this morning.
47:56If you want to be on this show and you need to help, visit my website.
47:59The details are on screen.
48:00To the guests, to the audience, and to you at home.
48:01We'll let you know how he gets on.
48:02We'll see you very soon.
48:03Take care.
48:03Bye-bye for now.
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