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00:00We started off the show, and we'd really love to kind of reignite your reaction.
00:06That's what makes this whole engine go.
00:08So 888-957-9570, we will take your phone calls right now.
00:13On what all of us will admit, on the surface is kind of an innocuous
00:18and in some ways really good thing, which is it's been made public,
00:23an email exchange between Joe Lacob and a Warrior fan.
00:26There's nothing in here that's like crazy or controversial.
00:30Warrior fan basically is just like, you've got to do something with this team, Joe.
00:34This isn't working.
00:36What does Steph need to do?
00:37Drop 50 every night.
00:38Anyway, the point is that the owner of the freaking Warriors immediately hit reply.
00:43Two minutes later, he replied.
00:46I want to know where the guy found Joe Lacob's email, by the way.
00:48Is it just posted on the Warriors site?
00:50Can you just go to warriors.com and email Joe?
00:53I think he might have reached out to Joe Lacob's private email with the private firm
00:59that he works for.
01:00Right.
01:00How did he know that?
01:02I have no idea.
01:03But anyway, Joe's response is, quote, you can't be as frustrated as me.
01:09I am working on it.
01:10It's complicated.
01:11Style of play.
01:13Coaches' desires regarding players.
01:15League trends.
01:17Jimmy is not the problem.
01:19Which had kind of been suggested a little bit by the emailer.
01:23And then he signs it as Joe.
01:24Steve Kerr had to respond to it today when asked about it.
01:27Joe, like you've had an email that I don't believe, whatever you want to call it.
01:30Did you see it?
01:31Yeah, yeah.
01:31Raymond told me this story.
01:32It's not a big deal.
01:33I'm not concerned about anything like that.
01:35I mean, it did, I guess, express a sense of frustration with the current situation.
01:39I guess, how are you feeling, not only, you know, above you, below you, players, all
01:44that, just like the growing frustration at 13 and 14?
01:47Well, we're all frustrated.
01:49You know, Joe is frustrated.
01:50I'm frustrated.
01:51Steph and Dre, everybody's frustrated.
01:53And this is, you know, kind of how the league works.
01:55And, you know, I hate when people, you know, are going to post private emails.
01:59Like, imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly posted, how tough that would be
02:03to live our lives.
02:05So Joe supports me 100%.
02:07I support him.
02:08We have a great connection and we've had so much continuity here and our stable environment
02:13and our organization is one of our strengths.
02:16And so I didn't even know about it, but Raymond told me about it.
02:19It's not a big deal.
02:20Okay.
02:20So Steve's going to join us in an hour.
02:22We'll talk about it further for sure.
02:24But one thing we've done so far, we've kind of talked about, do you want an owner to be
02:29this involved?
02:30Yeah.
02:30And, you know, look, Joe Lacob's got a great history here.
02:34Joe Lacob cares.
02:35He's accessible.
02:36These are all very good characteristics.
02:38I get a little tense whenever, like, an owner is like, I got the basketball.
02:43Let me handle this.
02:44I don't think that's great.
02:46But, honestly, if that's the biggest problem you might have with Joe, that's not necessarily
02:51a huge deal.
02:52One thing we haven't done yet is piece apart these sentences.
02:56And I think that that's interesting.
03:01Because even the four of us, adding in Granny and Lucas, we've been talking out kind of
03:06sentence by sentence, how do you translate this?
03:09So let's go sentence one.
03:10You can't be as frustrated as me.
03:12All right.
03:13That's great.
03:13Owner cares.
03:14Next one.
03:15I am working on it.
03:16We talked about the whole, you've talked a lot about the I word, but okay.
03:20Not a big deal.
03:21He's working on it.
03:22That's good.
03:22Right?
03:23It's complicated.
03:24Okay.
03:25And now he gets into three sentences where you're like, huh?
03:31Yeah.
03:32Okay.
03:33It's like, who are you talking to?
03:36And what do you mean?
03:39So he says, style of play.
03:42So that feels like, and again, I don't know.
03:47Does this mean he disagrees with these things?
03:50I'm working on it.
03:52Right.
03:53Style of play.
03:55Yeah.
03:55Do you not like Steve Kerr's style of play?
03:58A lot of fans would agree with you right now.
04:00Or perhaps it's the style of play that you have to play based on the roster construction.
04:05Okay.
04:05So now the next sentence, coaches' desires regarding players.
04:11Ah, that to me is the most undermining part of it.
04:14I mean, that feels like all roads.
04:18Lead to Kaminga.
04:18Sure.
04:19I mean, what other, unless like the owner doesn't like Pat Spencer,
04:24and the coach desires playing a lot of Pat Spencer,
04:27I don't know what that actually means beyond Kaminga.
04:30That feels very Kaminga-centric.
04:32It does to me, too.
04:33Unless, of course, he's saying that Steve Kerr, and by the way, he says coaches,
04:37is, and there's no apostrophe, so I also don't know, like coaches, ES.
04:43So he's talking about coaches, I think.
04:46And again, he's typing it on an iPhone.
04:48Maybe he means Steve Kerr.
04:49Maybe he means the whole staff.
04:51Maybe the staff comes to Joe and says, we only want guards.
04:55Please.
04:56Right.
04:56And that's these big guys.
04:58Anybody who's 6'6 or above, we hate them.
05:02Please don't bring them to our team.
05:04I don't know.
05:05But style of play, coaches' desires regarding players, league trends.
05:13League trends.
05:14Yeah.
05:16League trends are...
05:17Lanky, athletic wings who can shoot?
05:20Play fast and shoot a bunch of threes.
05:22And, yes, exactly what you said.
05:25Like, be long, be athletic, and, you know, get after people and go up and down.
05:30And the league trends, the Warriors used to be the leader of the league trends.
05:35The Warriors were the ones who first made it a trend to shoot a bunch of threes,
05:40shoot a 30-footer, shoot a 35-footer.
05:43It doesn't matter.
05:44That's the trend they started.
05:45And now everybody's caught up to them and passed them.
05:49And so, yeah, how are you going to match those league trends?
05:51And then he ends it with, Jimmy is not the problem.
05:55I agree with that, by the way.
05:57I don't think Jimmy...
05:58Like, could Jimmy Butler...
05:59Could all of this be packaged differently?
06:02Could he look a little bit better?
06:03Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
06:04But, like, on my list of things right now with the Golden State Warriors,
06:10Jimmy Butler does not make the top three at all.
06:13Well, what is the problem?
06:15Jimmy's not the problem.
06:17There isn't one problem.
06:18You're right.
06:18So, if you want to talk, and I'll ask Steve this later about, you know,
06:22what are the problems right now?
06:24And defensively, if you want to look at the rating, and he'll cite this,
06:28their defensive rating is pretty good.
06:30It's top eight in the league, depending on what site you look at.
06:33I'm looking at basketball reference, and there's six.
06:36So, their defensive rating is actually really good.
06:40The offense is 21st out of 30.
06:43So, what is the problem?
06:45Jimmy's not the problem.
06:46What is the problem?
06:48And the way I look at it, Mark, is you don't have anybody outside of Steph
06:52who you can consistently count on to score the basketball.
06:56You've got your shooter group, including Buddy Heald, who can't shoot.
07:01Your stretch five, Al Horford, who's got sciatica, and he can't play.
07:05And then you've got your defensive guys.
07:08GP2 had a few nice games, and he doesn't really play much anymore.
07:11TJD, God love him, has a hard time catching the basketball.
07:16So, like, what is the problem?
07:19And you're right.
07:20It's a myriad of problems.
07:21I don't know how I would whittle it down to the problem.
07:25But...
07:25Like, what are the problems?
07:27Why?
07:27Like, just a few words that pop to mind.
07:30The team turns the ball over too much.
07:32Yep.
07:33Okay?
07:33Both he and Kyle Shanahan and many others love to use the word connected.
07:42They are disconnected.
07:44This is a disconnected group.
07:47And for a myriad of reasons, whether it be injuries, whether it be changing lineups,
07:52and then that leads to maybe the third word that I would bring up, which is relationships.
07:56I think that there is too much discord and tension in the room right now.
08:02And that probably has a bunch of spider legs on it.
08:06You know what I mean?
08:07If you sequestered everybody in the room, I bet you'd get a bunch of stuff.
08:11And you can sort of see it.
08:13Draymond is Draymond.
08:14So, Draymond rubs some people the wrong way.
08:17And Draymond can be difficult.
08:20He's also kind of brilliant.
08:21He's a savant.
08:22He's turning the ball over a lot.
08:24He's getting older.
08:24There's all the Draymond stuff.
08:27Jimmy's the new guy, but the honeymoon is over.
08:30Jimmy probably has his opinions, for sure, about how this thing should operate.
08:36He's said publicly he hates turnovers beyond anything in the world.
08:40And they turn the ball over constantly.
08:42So, he's probably super ticked about the way this is all going.
08:46Steph's trying to hang on for dear life and always doesn't want to upset anybody.
08:49And then, as you put it, 4 through 12 is probably mostly made up of people who think they should be playing more than they are.
09:00They would love more definition and more playing time, preferably, than what they're getting.
09:07And all of that leads to Steve Kerr and do a better job managing all that.
09:16And he said, I need to do a better job of managing all of that.
09:20It's very hard because he also probably doesn't really have the pieces that he would need to do it perfectly.
09:30So, they're disconnected.
09:32They turn the ball over too much, and I think they've got some wonky relationships right now.
09:36A lot of tension in the room.
09:37Those are my reasons.
09:39And those are great reasons.
09:40And if you want to get to the 4 through 12, who in the 4 through 12 group do you look at and go,
09:46yeah, you deserve to play as much as you are, if not more?
09:50And what we think does not align with what Steve thinks because what Steve thinks is Pods.
09:57Pods leads the team in total minutes.
09:58He's getting 28 minutes a night, and he is a guy who is a connector.
10:03He's a guy who plays the way that they want somebody to play.
10:07He's getting you 12 a night, almost 5 rebounds, and he actually doesn't turn the ball over very often.
10:12So, Pods is one of those guys who is going to be in that 4 through 12.
10:17And then, when you go through, you've got your shooter buddy, who's not shooting great.
10:22You've got your defender GP2, who for some reason doesn't get out there and play very often.
10:27He plays 12 minutes a night.
10:29You've got Kamingo with the ha-ha, but he's not playing the way you want, so you have to play gee instead.
10:35You've got Pat Spencer, who was lightning in a bottle for a week and a half,
10:39and now he's kind of regressed to where he's supposed to be.
10:42Melton is getting better, but you can't play him more than 20 minutes right now
10:45because he's off an ACL.
10:48Quinton Post is a great spot-up shooter as a 7-footer, you know.
10:52So, there's a lot of different things where most of these guys are flawed.
10:56Let me answer that, and then we're going to go to the phones here.
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11:09I think that you just nailed why you have to at least give, I mean,
11:16at least give Steve Kerr a little bit of grace of, ooh, this is hard.
11:21This is hard.
11:21Because you just laid out all of these players.
11:24I wasn't even done.
11:25You weren't done.
11:26And you're like, who deserves more?
11:28Right.
11:28And I'm like, I don't think anybody's really got a case.
11:34Now, I could easily just respond by saying Kaminga because, like,
11:40I don't really know if it makes sense to just be flat out not playing him at all.
11:47I don't, like, that doesn't feel right to me.
11:50At the same time, you can't play 13 or 14 guys.
11:54And so, like, just as quickly can be like, I don't really like that Will Richard is not playing at all.
12:01And you have trouble shooting and you won't put Seth Curry in the game.
12:05Well, you can't play 14.
12:07So, who's got, like, just an absolute crazy case that they're playing great
12:13and they're leading to winning and they're not getting enough minutes?
12:19No one.
12:20Right.
12:21Nobody.
12:22Well, when you add in that last piece of, and they're not getting enough minutes,
12:26because if you look at Pods, like, he's a guy who's playing a lot
12:30and he's a guy who's not killing you very often.
12:33Not killing you.
12:34He's not lifting you.
12:36No.
12:36He's not drowning you.
12:37Right.
12:37He's not a problem.
12:39Right.
12:39You usually have a good quarter and then he'll have a bad quarter and then a good shot
12:42and then he'll have a shot that drives you nuts.
12:44That's right.
12:45Yeah.
12:45And that little 10-foot floater that he...
12:48I could kind of do without that.
12:49I totally could.
12:50But, I mean, a lot of times you get late in the shot clock and he does that little dribble
12:55move and he does that little one-legged floater.
12:58It's like, even if he makes it, great.
13:00Two points.
13:00I mean, it's the shot that he can get off.
13:04So, I get why he takes it.
13:06He's hit some very big threes.
13:07What's his three-point percentage this year?
13:09What's he doing from beyond the arc?
13:11He's at 30...
13:14Where's Pods?
13:15Pods he's at...
13:15Oh, 40.6.
13:17That's great.
13:18Like, that's legitimately really good.
13:21Yeah.
13:21So, again, I will forever...
13:24I will go to my grave thinking that y'all hate Pods, which has nothing to do with Pods.
13:30It's completely circumstantial because this thing has been denigrated into a schoolyard argument
13:36of he started it.
13:37Like, that's what this feels like to me.
13:40You're mad at Pods because he plays a lot and he's not...
13:44I don't think he's necessarily...
13:45I don't know that he's better than Jonathan.
13:47He's better than Jonathan at some things.
13:49He's worse than Jonathan at some things.
13:51He's nowhere near as athletic.
13:52But, you know, pound for pound, he's a better rebounder or has been in his career.
13:59He also plays a completely different position, so I've never understood why they get compared.
14:03But I get it.
14:04He represents something to people.
14:07Steve loves that guy and Steve doesn't love that guy.
14:10But, like, the whole thing has denigrated into a bunch of ridiculousness.
14:14There's nobody else in the NBA shooting beyond 40% from the arc that the fan base hates.
14:20That doesn't exist anywhere else.
14:21And it's because he gets, you know, caught in switches with, you know, bigger guys and
14:26he gets dominated down low and, you know, he runs up to take a charge and somebody goes
14:30around him and it's easy to, you know, make him the pin cushion when you're frustrated
14:35at other things.
14:36And just looking at the plus minus, the box score plus minus, you've got a lot of guys
14:43in the same range of negative 0.3, Pods, Moody, TJD, GP2, Draymond's a minus two, all
14:51the way down to Kaminga, minus 4.6.
14:54So, a lot of your guys, players four through 13, they are net negatives on the floor.
15:00I'm going to go out to the phones.
15:03Also mentioned the Boxer and Gerson work injury attorney's text line.
15:06Emotional moment for me.
15:07My grandmother from heaven has texted in.
15:11Apparently, she's got a 318 area code and says the word is devolved, not denigrated.
15:18Okay.
15:18So, my grandma, who is my grammar police, is clearly listening to the show.
15:23Thank you, Grandma.
15:24Grandma, it's great to see you.
15:25It's pretty awesome.
15:25It's great to hear from you.
15:26Yeah.
15:26All right.
15:27Not that you're wrong, but still, nobody likes the grammar police.
15:32Alex in Oakland.
15:33Hi, Alex.
15:34Thank you for calling.
15:36What's up, fellas?
15:37You guys said most of the stuff that I wanted to say, as far as what's going on with the team.
15:46The main thing is your core is too old to run the offense like you want to run.
15:53It worked 10 years ago when everybody was 10 years younger.
15:57It's not working today because your core is too old to run those plays.
16:01Thing number two, and I'm going to say it again every time I call about the Warriors,
16:06players, play your younger players more.
16:09You keep, guys keep saying, oh, well, we don't know how they play,
16:13and we can't figure out how they play.
16:14Well, you're not letting them play.
16:16When Draymond went out of that game, I forget the game,
16:19but Draymond got hurt that game, and they were losing.
16:23What happened?
16:24Everything sped up.
16:26Play your young legs.
16:28Let those guys run.
16:30Give Steph and Draymond and Jimmy another three minutes rest,
16:34and let them guys run.
16:36Because as soon as Draymond went out of that game,
16:38that whole game sped up.
16:40No Jimmy, no Steph, no Draymond.
16:42You're talking about the game in Philly, Alex.
16:44Thank you very much.
16:45I think Alex speaks for many.
16:47I can't argue the point.
16:49Like the Warriors, I feel, though,
16:51they've been stuck in that vortex for not just weeks,
16:55not just months, but years.
16:57The concept of you've got to get younger,
17:01you've got to get some of these guys' minutes,
17:03and how that butts heads with Steph Curry and the old guard
17:09and them still wanting to hang on to doing it the way they used to do it.
17:12Those two things butt heads.
17:14Yep.
17:14And I don't think either one of them lead to a long playoff run.
17:17I agree with you, and that ship has sailed when you went ahead
17:21and brought in Al Horford and you traded for Jimmy Butler.
17:23You doubled down on this.
17:25And the thing that's really most galling to me
17:28is what's happened in four years in the association
17:31from when the Warriors won the chip to now.
17:34Most teams are playing faster.
17:36Most teams are obviously younger than the Warriors,
17:39so it's kind of a two-headed monster of the game is faster
17:43and you're slower.
17:44There's really no elixir.
17:45There's no cure.
17:46And you were kind of old then.
17:48Right.
17:48You were old then, but teams didn't play like they are now.
17:51Right.
17:51But I'm just saying, like, you're still trying to do the same thing,
17:54which is too slow, and you're four years older.
17:57Right.
17:57And 16 teams now play fast.
17:59And you turned Andrew Wiggins into Jimmy Butler.
18:01Right.
18:01He's even older.
18:03He's not just four years older.
18:04He's like eight years older.
18:05And Jimmy's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:08He's effective in the half court.
18:09He's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:10He's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:10He's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:10He's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:10He's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:11He's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:11He's not an up-and-down speedster.
18:12He's not an up-and-down speedster.
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