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00:00You ever have that experience where you watch the same thing as another person
00:04or you listen to the same thing as another person
00:07and have the complete opposite reaction to it?
00:11Yeah, all the time.
00:12All the time, right?
00:12All the time, yeah.
00:13It's kind of like you and Guru with that one movie that he had you watch.
00:18Oh, God.
00:18That movie about table tennis.
00:19Yeah, the ping pong game.
00:20What the hell was it called?
00:21Marty Supreme.
00:22Marty is not supreme.
00:24Wittler Dibbs, can you lay out for a second?
00:26No.
00:26Who loved it?
00:27Recommended it to you, a guy who doesn't watch a lot of movies,
00:30and you and the lovely Christy, your wife, saw it and hated it.
00:34Wasted 20 bucks.
00:35Yeah.
00:36It's a bummer.
00:37Yeah.
00:37Let the record show that I said there should be like eight other movies you watched before that one.
00:41I do let the record show that,
00:43and I also let the record show that he's got apparently either America or Hollywood on his side
00:51nominated for Best Picture.
00:53Yeah, and for Best Actor.
00:55Somebody liked it.
00:56Yep.
00:56Other than Guru.
00:57That's a Timothee Chalamet, right?
00:59Uh-huh.
00:59Okay.
01:00I get that I must have been in the minority there.
01:02Maybe I just wasn't.
01:03Maybe we weren't having a good night.
01:05I feel like we were.
01:06I don't know.
01:07We don't watch a lot of movies,
01:09so even the opportunity to sit and watch a movie,
01:13I cherish that.
01:14If I actually am awake all the way through a movie,
01:17that's amazing.
01:18I was.
01:19I made it to the end.
01:21I hated every character in the entire movie.
01:24Yeah.
01:24And, like, I don't need things to be a happy-go-lucky story,
01:28but I do, if I'm watching a movie,
01:32I'm supposed to care about what happens next.
01:35And I'm just like, I hope you all go to jail.
01:39Like, you're all awful.
01:41You're awful.
01:43Remember the Seinfeld finale,
01:45where basically the idea that they kind of got across was,
01:49as it turns out, these are just all bad people.
01:52Yeah.
01:54I was like, that's.
01:55Finales are hard.
01:55Yeah, for sure.
01:57But that's how I felt.
01:59That was comedic.
02:00This was not.
02:01This was just like, you're all terrible.
02:03I'm rooting for none of you.
02:05Yeah.
02:05And Seinfeld was like eight or nine seasons, too, of a buildup.
02:09It's like, I'll go.
02:10If I'm not going to root for any of you,
02:11I can go do something else with my two hours.
02:13Anyway, you were saying, like, two people see the same thing
02:16and think and see totally different things.
02:18408 just texted in and goes, Kerr is gone.
02:22Wow.
02:22Okay.
02:23But I didn't get that from that conversation at all.
02:26I didn't either.
02:26Kerr is here.
02:27And he ain't going in me where.
02:31I don't, I really don't think so.
02:32I've never thought so.
02:33And just hearing him, I'm not getting the sense of, you know,
02:37he's one game away from coming out on, if they lose tomorrow,
02:41he comes out on Friday in his exit interview and just says, deuces.
02:45The only thing that he said was, you know, you get to be 60.
02:48And I'm getting close to that.
02:50And you start thinking about what else you might want to do.
02:53But then you realize what you are doing.
02:55And he went on and on about how he has lived this charmed basketball life,
03:00playing for Phil and pop, playing with Jordan,
03:04coaching Steph and Draymond and all the fellas.
03:06Like, you're not just going to push away from that
03:08while there's still some meat left on the bone.
03:10Yeah.
03:11And I don't even know if there is any meat on the bone,
03:13but what I keep hearing him say is that he's really, really enjoying this.
03:18So I guess I'd almost throw that out to you.
03:21We can throw it out to the listeners.
03:23If you are of the opinion that Steve Kerr either should be gone
03:28or even just could be gone, I'd love to hear your scenario.
03:33Like, play it out.
03:34How's it go?
03:36You know what I mean?
03:36The game ends tomorrow, and whether it's immediately in the aftermath
03:41or something over the next couple of weeks, how does that sound?
03:45How does it go?
03:46Who says what?
03:47Steve steps away?
03:49The organization wants to go into a different direction?
03:53Like, give me an idea of what is this scenario that's in anyone's heads
03:57that Steve Kerr is not going to be the head coach of the Warriors next year
04:03because I'm having a really hard time seeing.
04:05Well, the only scenario I could see would be Steve decides to step away
04:09and he reflects on a long year and a great 12-year run
04:14and decides, you know, I'm 60.
04:15Perhaps I want to do something else.
04:18Didn't he already go on record and I believe him saying,
04:21I'll never leave Steph?
04:22Yeah.
04:23He said that.
04:23Well, you're asking for scenarios.
04:25Right.
04:25The other scenario would be you lose to the Clippers
04:28and Joe Lacob is running a little hot and he decides, you know what?
04:32We're going to come up with a new GM and that GM is going to come up with a new
04:36coach
04:36and so we're not bringing Steve back and Mike, I'm sorry, but it's a three-year run
04:41and that's going to be it.
04:43We're going to go ahead and get some new people in here.
04:45I don't see any of these things as possible.
04:46I don't either.
04:46You're asking for scenarios.
04:48No, I know, but like plausible scenarios.
04:50There is no plausible scenario.
04:53Okay.
04:53Like what would be the plausible, what's the most plausible scenario where he doesn't come back?
04:58I don't have one.
04:59Right.
05:00So then he's coming back.
05:00That's what I tried to say to him.
05:02I go, Steve, I understand what you've all said, but with all due respect,
05:06I don't understand what the holdup is here.
05:10Every single person that matters in this circle has publicly said,
05:15we want to be here next year.
05:19So is it like a really bad storm that would stop you from being the coach or like, right?
05:25Does your car just get stuck in the driveway every day?
05:28What's happening here?
05:30What would lead to him not being the coach?
05:33It would have to be something, and I don't even want to put it out in the ether,
05:36but something really, really bad.
05:37Okay, right.
05:38I get that.
05:39But I mean, what his answer was to that, by the way,
05:41was it was just kind of an agreement that we all had.
05:45We agreed at the beginning of the year that we weren't going to do this during the year,
05:49so we won't.
05:51Well, nothing in that says to me that people,
05:53like I feel like this has been pitched to the world as we're all kind of sitting here
05:58thinking about this a little bit.
05:59We got some conversations to have, and I'm like, no, you don't.
06:03No, you don't.
06:04No, you don't.
06:06You don't.
06:07You've had them all.
06:09You want to stay.
06:10Steph wants you to stay.
06:11Draymond wants you to stay.
06:13Joe Lacob wants you to stay.
06:14Mike Dunleavy wants you to stay, even if in their heart of hearts there are moments
06:18where they're like, I'm kind of getting sick of this guy.
06:20You know, that happens.
06:21It's been 12 years, but whatever.
06:23I just don't.
06:24I don't.
06:25I think that this is not really a thing.
06:28I just don't.
06:29I think it's a two-word conversation, and they bring in the point God
06:34to ask the only question that needs to be asked.
06:37You coaching.
06:37You coaching?
06:39Yes.
06:39Right.
06:40Instead of, like, you know, them sitting down and haggling it out.
06:44It's like, I'm pretty sure they would want him to do it at least one more year,
06:47and he would, too.
06:48So just fly in CP3, Chris Paul II.
06:52Let's not.
06:53You coaching?
06:53No.
06:55That's just a year I'd like to forget, actually.
06:57You know, you'll love this.
06:59So with my time away on Thursday and Friday, this actually was the weekend,
07:03but after I took my daughter to San Diego State on Saturday, we went back to my folks' house,
07:08and everybody's sitting there, and it's always difficult when you've got, like, a 12-year-old,
07:13a 17-year-old, you got me, and then you got my parents, and everyone's like,
07:17what do you want to watch?
07:19Well, what can we watch that these five people of three different generations would all be into?
07:25You want to know what we landed on?
07:27Rise of the Niners.
07:29Okay.
07:30Which I had started, but not finished.
07:35The kids had never seen, and they loved the Niners, and my folks, I think maybe they had watched it,
07:42but they're in their 80s, so they sleep through everything that they watch.
07:45Right.
07:45So everything always feels new.
07:46I can't wait for that, by the way.
07:48That's going to be so fun.
07:49You're like, oh, we watched that last night.
07:51Yeah, well, I'll watch it again.
07:53So we ended up doing all four episodes.
07:57You kind of have to.
07:58In one sitting.
07:59Here's why I bring it up.
08:02Rise of the Niners allows you to relive Bill Walsh's final game.
08:08And the Super Bowl, the 49ers win.
08:13Randy Cross is the one in the Rise of the Niners who actually shares the story.
08:17He announced before the Super Bowl, this will be my last game.
08:21But on the doc, he shares the story that Bill Walsh pulled him aside before the game and said,
08:28you know, depending on how things go this week, you might not be the only one.
08:34He said that to Randy Cross before the game.
08:36And for those of you who either don't remember or if you're like Randy and Lucas and you're too young
08:41to remember,
08:42what ended up happening right after the Niners won that Super Bowl is immediately Bill Walsh in the aftermath was
08:49asked if he had just coached his last game.
08:53And he barely ever really, he didn't even answer.
08:56He just started to cry because an era had come to an end.
09:03He knew before the game, he knew after the game, he knew it the whole time.
09:08There was emotion surrounding it.
09:10He was totally overwhelmed and exhausted by everything that had unfolded.
09:14And I ask you, we just had a conversation with Steve Kerr.
09:18Does he sound like that guy at all right now?
09:21Not right now.
09:22Not even a little.
09:23Not at all.
09:24And that's where I asked him kind of the same question in two different ways.
09:27Have you thought about this being your last game tomorrow, potentially being your last game?
09:32And now I haven't really thought about that at all.
09:35Not even once.
09:36And then I asked him a little bit later about reflecting on 12 years in the same job.
09:41Only seven coaches have had a longer run than 12 years with the same team continuously.
09:46And he said, oh, that I think about all the time.
09:48So he is reflective of what he's had and what he appreciates.
09:53But at the same time, no, he's not in that spot where, you know, emotionally he is ready to say
09:59goodbye to this team.
10:00And it could happen tomorrow.
10:01So I think that he's pretty confident that he wants to be back and that they want him to come
10:07back.
10:07And he's just respecting what they agreed to, which is not during the year.
10:12And so I would imagine when the season ends Wednesday or Friday or down the road, there'll be a couple,
10:18two or three day cooling off period, or maybe even a little bit longer.
10:20And then the word will come out that Steve Kerr has signed another one-year deal for probably $16 million.
10:27I think this last year he's getting $14 or $15 a year.
10:31So it's going to happen.
10:33Let's take some calls.
10:34Let's go to Dave in the city.
10:35Hi, Dave.
10:35Thanks for calling Wither and Dembs.
10:36What's up?
10:38Hey, what's up, fellas?
10:41Yeah, I think Steve is going to stay for one more year.
10:43I think he's going to ride this as long as Steph is still a warrior.
10:49So I think that they're going to fulfill their contractual obligations and ride off into the sunset for one last
10:54hurrah.
10:55And then after next year, he's going to go to Z-Wantanejo for a year and then come back as
11:00his first coach.
11:01Let me ask you this, though, Dave.
11:04Even though I love your Z-Wantanejo reference and it would have been a great walk-off, do you think
11:09Steph Curry is done after this year?
11:13No.
11:14Okay.
11:14And by the way, I should have said next year.
11:17I should have said next year.
11:18Do you think he's done after next season?
11:21I think he has like two, three more years left, to be honest.
11:24Okay.
11:24I think he's still, he only wants that fifth title.
11:27So here's my question for everybody, and Dave, thanks.
11:30If this is not Steph Curry's last year coming up and Steph Curry doesn't want anyone else coaching him
11:39and Steve Kerr doesn't ever want to leave Steph, why are, like, I want to start asking the same why
11:47question that I asked two months ago
11:48when everyone thought Steve Kerr was leaving this year.
11:50It's a pretty simple logic problem, right?
11:53I go, why this year?
11:54Now I'm going to say it again.
11:55Why next year?
11:57Why?
11:59Make that algorithm make sense.
12:02Steph wants to keep playing.
12:04The Warriors want everything for Steph.
12:06Steph, the Warriors don't want Steph to ever wear a different uniform.
12:10Steve doesn't ever want to leave Steph.
12:12Steve's having a great time.
12:13Why are we so convinced that next year's the last year?
12:16Exactly.
12:17I mean, I don't think that the last year comes until Steph decides that he doesn't want to play.
12:22And I do think that the first, well, the first telltale sign will be Steve Kerr in the offseason.
12:28You and I both assume that he's going to get a new deal to coach.
12:31It might be a two-year deal.
12:33And if it is, that would signal to me that, A, Steph Curry probably wants to play two more years.
12:40And, B, Draymond Green will decline his option and sign a two-year deal.
12:44I think that he's not as intertwined with Steve Kerr as Steph is.
12:48But I do think that Draymond is a major piece of it.
12:51Nick Friedle joined us earlier.
12:53And a lot of the talk has been about them going out together, Draymond, Steph, and Steve.
12:58So, if you see Steve sign a, maybe it's, I don't know if they do, like, player options for coaches
13:04or whatever.
13:05I mean, didn't he just say to us in this conversation that when you get to my age, you just
13:09do things one year at a time?
13:11You kind of do it one year at a time.
13:13I think that's what Steph's going to start doing after next year.
13:15But, again, listen to what Draymond Green said when he was asked on ESPN earlier today,
13:21has it crossed your mind that tomorrow could be your last game with Steve Kerr?
13:26No, because I know Steph Curry still wants to continue to play.
13:30I want to continue to play.
13:32But more importantly, I know Steph doesn't want another coach.
13:35I would say to myself, and I don't mean that as much as Steph does.
13:38You know, when you've been through what we've gone through, the success that we've had,
13:42what's Steph going into year 18?
13:43Year 18, you're like, oh, we're going to get a new coach now?
13:46No one wants that, you know.
13:47And so, what Steve has brought to this organization, his winning ways that he brought to this organization,
13:55the success, we won four championships under Coach Kerr.
13:59There's, what, 26 franchises that doesn't have four championships?
14:04And we have four with this head coach?
14:06He's written his ticket.
14:07He's written a ticket, done everything he's needed to do to deserve to leave when he's ready.
14:13He goes, Steph is going into year 18.
14:15You think he wants a new coach?
14:17Well, change the word 18 to 19.
14:20Steph's going into year 19.
14:21You think he wants a new coach?
14:23Change the number to forever.
14:25You think, or just take the number out.
14:27You think Steph wants a new coach when you've done it?
14:30I mean, he had Mark Jackson, so it hasn't been Steve the whole time.
14:33But you get to this spot, and yeah, it's worked.
14:36You've won titles.
14:36There's a comfort zone.
14:38So, of course not.
14:39Of course you're not going to want a different coach.
14:41And maybe if you wanted to go to a different organization, a different team, yeah, you'd have a different coach.
14:46But I don't get the sense for Steph that he wants that.
14:49I mean, he might.
14:50At all.
14:51No, I mean, he has said he doesn't want that.
14:53Right.
14:53So, if you're here and you want Steve Kerr to be your coach, and Steve Kerr still wants to coach,
14:59then what are we even talking about?
15:00Let's go to Austin in San Jose next up here on Withered and Dibbs.
15:04Hey, Austin.
15:04Thanks for the call.
15:06Hey, fellas, just to throw a little bit of counterargument in here, as you know I'm wont to do.
15:12What if you guys are all wrong?
15:15And what if Lacob is not happy with the three straight playing performances of the season?
15:22He's paying top salary for, I get, great guys, all the famers, but that's all in the past.
15:28So, the question is, if I'm looking at what's going on today, not four years ago, not championships,
15:33this is not that team, those guys, a lot of those guys are gone.
15:37So, we're talking Steph and Dre, yeah, and GP2, but everybody else, they haven't earned it, they haven't done anything.
15:42So, this notion that we should continue something that's not working, just to appease Steve Kerr and Steph and Dre,
15:51that doesn't sound logical to me from my background.
15:53I mean, I know guys that have been very successful as CEOs and stuff, and they get dismissed.
15:58So, why should we reward guys that are no longer performing?
16:02I don't understand that train of thought at all.
16:04Okay, so.
16:05And the idea that.
16:06So, Austin, do you apply that to Steph Curry, too?
16:11Or just Steve?
16:12I think, no, I think Steve's, Steph, sorry, sorry, Willard, but Steph's part of the equation.
16:18I mean, he's the Michael Jackson, as Gouwer likes to say, of a whole band.
16:23But at the same time, he's a grown-up.
16:26He understands that he hasn't performed.
16:28These guys have not performed up to the expectations that everybody has.
16:32And we can come with all the excuses we want, injuries and all that stuff.
16:35When you're playing and playing games for three straight years, they want one playoff game in that time.
16:40So, if it was any other franchise, we'd be saying, hey, there's going to be changes.
16:44But all of a sudden, here, we seem to be so quick to say, Coach Kerr needs to come back.
16:49Listen, Draymond Green is on the pedestal.
16:51He's preaching to keeping everything together because it benefits him.
16:54Of course, he doesn't want any changes.
16:56But listen, guys, my whole thought is sometimes change is good.
17:00Change shouldn't be viewed as negative or bad.
17:03It may be something that may make your organization better.
17:06So, I just want to get that out there.
17:08Let's not jump on it.
17:09It's got to be the same just because it's been the same.
17:14I don't disagree with everything you're saying at all.
17:16I think it's an interesting point.
17:17But what I'm trying to access is, are you also advocating for moving on from Steph Curry?
17:24What that would look like, I think, is obviously a lot more complicated than saying, let's move on from Steph.
17:31But, yeah, I mean, but you have to have a strategy.
17:33If there's a strategy to move on from Steph that keeps the team good and keeps fans paying top dollar
17:40to watch this, that's the other thing.
17:42You guys are assuming that fans are going to keep coming to watch a product that, let's be honest, has
17:47gotten to be really mediocre.
17:49So, if I'm Joe Laker, I'm saying, no, I want a top-notch product.
17:53And right now, this is not a top-notch product, guys.
17:56That's kind of what I wanted to throw out there.
17:57I appreciate the time.
17:58Okay, Austin, thanks.
17:59I would look at it in a couple of different ways.
18:01First of all, I'd like to clap back on the whole they haven't, they've won one playoff game the last
18:06three years.
18:07I seem to remember them beating the Rockets in a seven-game series just a year ago.
18:11That's four playoff wins right there.
18:13So, let's get that factual error out of the way.
18:16And then, secondarily, that is a matter of opinion when it comes to the idea that people will not continue
18:26to pay top dollar to watch this product.
18:29My question to you would be, what product are you talking about?
18:33Because, yes, a lot of people feel like this Warrior thing has run its course.
18:38The arena was not as fun this year.
18:41Okay, I'll buy that.
18:43But what if the product is just Steph?
18:46Because I would argue, yes, people will still pay top dollar to see Steph Curry.
18:51I would say people still do.
18:52I would say the minute he returned against Houston a week and a half ago, the arena was completely on
18:57fire in a way that it had not been in the previous two months.
19:01So, fundamentally, what Austin is saying, I think there's some fairness there.
19:07There's at least a conversation there.
19:09But, to me, you are diminishing the core of the Warrior's Earth, which is Steph Curry.
19:17He is still top product.
19:18He is still top dollar.
19:20And the world does revolve around him.
19:22And that's how they see it.
19:24You're allowed to disagree.
19:25But that's how they see it.
19:27And if, therefore, he still wants Draymond and Steve by his side, spoiler alert, he's going to get his wish.
19:36I mean, most likely.
19:38I can't imagine them rocking that boat.
19:40And you can think that the product has gotten stale or is mediocre or whatever you think.
19:45But the sellout streak is intact.
19:47And if you want to get tickets on the resale market, it's still north of $100 every game for the,
19:53quote, worst seat in the house.
19:54So, the product from a money-making standpoint is not stale and it's not mediocre.
20:00Yeah, 37 and 45 is not good enough.
20:03And being in the play in three of the last four is not what you want to be.
20:07But, ultimately, it's a business.
20:09It's entertainment, as you always say.
20:11And Steph Curry is one of the most entertaining athletes that we've ever seen.
20:15And he still is today.
20:16So, all these things make it so you do what you did, which is continue to find other older guys
20:23and try to make a run.
20:24I mean, look, the bottom line for me is you can be bored by this.
20:29You can criticize this.
20:30Because the organization feels an unbelievable debt of gratitude to Steph Curry and they're going to do him sort of
20:40the way that he would like it to go the rest of the way.
20:43They've made this very clear.
20:45You're allowed to disagree with it.
20:47I personally don't.
20:50That's kind of it.
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