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00:00breece hall does he stay or does he go in 2026 yeah i think he'll be back right i think you've
00:06seen his value you know especially these last four or five weeks whatever it's been he's
00:12he's the best player on the team right now i don't think there's any question he's the mvp of this
00:18team hello and welcome to gang's all here my name is ryan sampson the host of producer's show
00:23that's our jets beat writer brian costello and that's my guy frankie viridi from you stadium
00:27today is friday november 28th jets coming off a loss against the ravens we can call it tough for
00:34what it was it was 23 10 loss to the ravens uh fellas we are officially in week 13 for the new
00:41york jets at two and nine we're going to talk about this matchup against the atlanta falcons or a two
00:45and a half point dog this week we're going to talk about just the fields comments about being benched
00:50from the starting quarterback role for tyrod taylor but before we get to any of that i'll start with
00:55kaz how was your thanksgiving sir are you good are you it was good ron yep all good frankie how
01:02about you buddy i'm good man i'm good waking up today was a little rough but uh hey i'm good i'm
01:08good i'm feeling good man a little food a good weekend that was i tell what kind of shape i was
01:12in yesterday yeah a lot of stuffing yesterday um i'm sure i'll get a lot of comments about that
01:17all right fellas let's start off with gang sounds off
01:20because i want to start with justin fields and cause uh you guys were able to get him a couple
01:29days ago in the locker room for brief moment uh and i know his comments were not long but he did say
01:35quote i did not anticipate it whatsoever about the benching and says he will be a starting quarterback
01:41in the nfl he still wants to be a starting quarterback in the nfl uh it doesn't say whether
01:46he wants to be back with the jets next season when you asked him about that uh it's going to be one
01:51week at a time so i'll start off guys with your thoughts on justin fields comments about one not
01:58anticipating that he's getting benched yeah i was a little surprised he said that you know um i don't
02:06know how he couldn't have anticipated it he wasn't playing well uh and you know it's basically been a
02:11discussion now for over a month you know uh whether he should be benched so yeah i was a little
02:18surprised he went there and said he was surprised about it um the rest of the stuff i thought was
02:24pretty standard you know of course he still believes he's going to be a starter like why like he's he's
02:29not going to admit that if he doesn't believe it and um yeah i'm sure he has no idea what's going to
02:34happen next year so he's he's gonna you know he said he's taking it day by day and he's not really
02:39thinking about that and i'm guessing he's probably not focusing on next year right now
02:42um you know they'll get they'll get there in a month or so well he will take it one day at a time
02:49and there is uh what five more games after this week right or four more games five more games after
02:54this week five after this one yeah so i mean look for him and this is my follow-up to you causes
03:00is it going to be with the jets next year like i think i've asked you this a bunch but like
03:05even his comments seem to allude that he knows that this might be a one and done for him
03:09yeah i i'm leaning towards no he's not going to be here next year now ryan and maybe things can
03:15change but uh i just think he doesn't really fit the direction the jets are going i expect them to
03:21take a quarterback in the draft or to find another court starting quarterback out in the market and
03:27like i think i said this last week i don't think fields is the ideal number two um you know because of
03:33his play style i don't think he's the guy guy that you want necessarily mentoring your your rookie
03:40quarterback he just hasn't had a lot of success so i don't know if that's like you're gonna say
03:44yeah like let's emulate justin fields like it just hasn't worked for him so i i think um you know i
03:53think they'll probably move on uh and you know figure out the figure out the dead money whether they
03:58post june one to split it or just take all the 22 million dollar hit uh next year but i mean
04:03we all focus on the cap right the toughest thing is they they owe him 10 million dollars in cash
04:10so if you're woody johnson you're sitting there like oh my god i'm paying this guy 10 million dollars
04:15not to play for my team that's a tough one to swallow i gotta think that's gonna be that's gonna be
04:21hard so i as fans and media i think we always get caught up in the cap right because that what can
04:27they do dead money all the stuff the 10 million dollars that's real money you know so uh that's
04:33that's the one maybe woody says i'm not eating 10 million dollars but i got a feeling they're gonna
04:38have to look at it as a sunk cost yeah it's uh it's a tough pill to swallow too and the fact that again
04:44i go back to the jets meaning aaron glenn and darren muji chose to go with justin fields and give
04:50him this 40 million dollar deal and i don't think there were many other teams lining up to say
04:55here's 40 million dollars justin fields and you're also going to be a starter for us this year there's
04:59going to be no competition for you whatsoever it's your job to lose and it just it it doesn't look
05:07great and the fact that they're gonna have to eat more money again next year with aaron rogers cap hit
05:11it just it's not it's not a great look frankie i do want to touch on the other part of justin fields
05:16comment about saying he does think he's a starter in this league do you think he's a starting
05:21quarterback or at that caliber of being a starting quarterback next year for another team
05:26no way ryan he's on his third team in five years he uh he's been part of teams that really don't know
05:36what to do with him he just he has such a i guess unique skill set in what he wants to do as a
05:42quarterback but it's not something that offensive coordinators and teams really usually build around
05:48unless you're lamar jackson it's tough to really build an offense around justin fields and i don't
05:53think justin fields is even as good as lamar jackson i don't even think he's close to as good
05:57as lamar and to be honest i question how much he really loves playing football sometimes i really do
06:03i know he goes through some mental things i'm not trying to crap on the kid but this is a tough game
06:08it's a tough position it's probably the toughest position in sports i don't even think he has a
06:13head for it at times i really don't and on the field he struggles passing the football we were 32nd
06:20ryan how many times have you brought it up with him at the helm we're having games we're throwing for 55
06:23yards passing net 30 yards net some games negative net yard passing you can't survive in the nfl like that
06:31man and if you're not running the ball if you don't want to read option you're not read optioning or
06:37you're not scrambling like you were a bit um you know you you were doing a bunch of in in chicago
06:44there's no place for you to start in this league right now there's just not i can't see a situation
06:51there and i think sometimes he puts blame on the coaches or the situations and he might be right he
06:57might have a point there maybe he wasn't in the perfect situation like lamar was with baltimore
07:01that seemed to sort of fit but a team's not gonna redo everything and have a new oc that's
07:08just gonna run your style when the upside is not there with the kid and it's unfortunate but yeah
07:15right answer question no i don't think so yeah it's it's i think he'll have to obviously probably earn
07:20his reps like he did with try to do with the steelers uh but russ obviously came out came across
07:25with the injury in training camp last year and that's how he was able to start the first
07:28uh six games for the steelers i do wonder with this on his ledger again another offense that's
07:36being led by him where it was bottom of the league and passing yards wasn't efficient enough if teams
07:42are really going to be like i don't know if i want to bring him in because you did bring up a good
07:46point stylistically it is one way to run your offense with justin fields it's not yeah it's not
07:52it's not conducive in my opinion to have him as your starting quarterback so i do wonder if he ever is a
07:57starting quarterback in terms of you're the starter for us going forward this season i don't think he's
08:02going to be in that position maybe the rest of his career it just it feels like the nfl learns quick
08:08with these quarterbacks and they're willing to flush it and go to the next one and see if we can find
08:13gold with the next quarterback um it the other thing i want to touch on here fellas is that
08:20yeah the jets are bottom of the league 1600 passing yards it's 32nd in the nfl
08:25improvements though cause is what i feel like glenn has been harping on improvements and also
08:34evaluation and i know you wrote your post sports plus piece earlier this week about
08:39players that'll keep you know the jets could keep or let go in free agency but i want to start with
08:45the evaluation and the improvements frankie and i've had great discussions about as has this jets
08:51team improved do you think this jets team has improved over the last couple weeks from what we
08:57saw the first month and a half of the season where they really struggled i do i do think they've improved
09:03i think they're losing normal games now you know it's not crazy situations uh it's not
09:09you know just blowing games in the fourth quarter like we saw some of that or just or not playing for
09:17three quarters and then just playing the fourth quarter like we saw some of that so i think it's
09:21been kind of normal i think glenn's gotten better with his in-game decisions i know the fourth down
09:26last week was not popular and i didn't like it but i didn't think that was an egregious mistake by him
09:33um i think you could argue both ways so i think his his management has gotten better i do think
09:38the defense looks much better uh you know they just got to cut down on those third down penalties
09:45and find a way to get some takeaways but they've they've been better against the run this is another
09:50test this week for them with bijon uh to see how their run defense plays so yeah i think there's been
09:56improvement um they've gotten breeze more involved which i think was key and really like you know they've
10:03been surviving without garrett for a while now which i think if we said early in the season like can
10:08they survive without garrett would probably have said no and they've been doing okay without garrett
10:12uh he didn't play against cincinnati and they they won that game and then um he's he has you know they
10:19played okay the last couple weeks without him yeah look it's it's minor increments it's improving
10:25you could see like you said they're better against the run uh i am interested to see if tyrod can really
10:31get this passing game going even further uh frankie what have you seen thus far that you know perhaps we
10:37have been harsh on glenn early on and that this team has taken steps to be better overall
10:44well i think the defense is playing extremely hard man i think um i think sherwood's been playing
10:52better the last couple weeks with quincy back too it seems like they're they're getting to know each
10:57other's styles a bit better and uh we've been stopping the run for the most part and cause remember
11:02i said it i know you guys were laughing i mean i said don't be surprised if this defense looks
11:06better post quinnon and sauce i'm kidding yeah yeah yeah i agree i agree these guys are all you know
11:16hot it's hot right now quinnon's look pretty damn good with the cowboys if i don't know if you guys
11:20he has he's looked very good um better than he's looked that better than he looked here for most
11:26of the year i would agree all year long speaks to style right like yeah that quinnon is more
11:34comfortable in that style because they're running basically what's like white cotton is white cotton's
11:38the defensive line coach yeah so they're just letting quinnon go good point just run just run the
11:42field and like that's i think that's some of what you see with the defensive line here the guys who
11:47are holdovers have had a tough time adjusting to wilk's system where he doesn't just want them
11:52running up the field and quinnon's comfortable there he's he's back doing you know what he was
11:56doing here and and it's working for him yeah yeah they're isolating him too and a lot of one-on-ones
12:02you're starting to see it doesn't seem like he's taking on as many double teams there yeah i mean also
12:06the pass rush win rate if you look at it before he was traded uh to the cowboys his highest uh pass rush
12:14win weight of the season was week one where he had 15.4 percent pass rush win rate since then he
12:20didn't even come close to over 10 percent with the three games with the cowboys the first one being
12:26against the raiders he had 11.1 he had 25 against the eagles i mean and he's over 15 again versus the
12:36chiefs he is absolutely dominating and while he only has one and a half sack in three games
12:40the pressures he's generating three four and four so you're talking about 11 press qb pressures
12:48in three games with the cowboys yeah that's good and he had mahomes yesterday and mahomes got away
12:54from him i don't know if you say he had him by the ankle and then mahomes threw it downfield yeah
12:58no uh look i think he's completely rejuvenated yep too he's gone to a situation where he's playing
13:03for something like this is a basically the first time in quinnon's career he's gonna uh 2022 they
13:09played games that mattered in december but other than that he really hasn't had something a playoff
13:14push to play him so i'm sure he's very been been rejuvenated by the move don't you feel a little
13:20weird about it at least i feel a little bit weird about it though frankie and causes like
13:24it's clear you weren't like you said you weren't motivated to play well here but like the talent
13:31was always there and frankie and i were always frustrated where like you're in these close game or
13:36somewhat close games against the buccaneers against the dolphins and he doesn't do anything
13:41he didn't do anything in those games it's like you're getting paid a lot of money and you're
13:47paid to be our best player on defense and you've disappeared and i i i'm i hear you cause it's a
13:53different i think some of it's coaching some of it's coaching ryan i think that's the lesson here
13:57some of it's coaching so doesn't right does not steve wilkes and this defensive line and the
14:02defensive coaches deserve a little bit of heat and criticism like you took a star player on and
14:07he was a star he is a star player quinnon don't give and he got worse this season to start and
14:14like that's alarming a little bit don't you think yeah i think there's i think if you want to talk
14:20about questions about the coaching staff i'd start looking at the defense and say who's gotten better
14:25this year uh yeah yeah sherwood's somewhat brandon stevens is the only one he's not playing better
14:33this sherwood's not playing better this year no he's not playing better he's getting better like
14:37through the season but he's talking about 2020 yeah i thought about 2024 to 2025 who's gotten better
14:44the guys that were here no one i i don't have an answer for you no one yeah so i think that's kind
14:51of damning you know so i and and that's not just steve wilkes that's position coaches and i i like
14:56when you talk to guys who are former head coaches i talked to bill cowher the other day i did a piece
15:01because he's he's been kind of advising uh aaron glenn and he he mentioned it and other coaches
15:08mentioned like just the coaching staff is like this underrated thing that you have to build as a
15:14head coach and your first time head coach like you think about it you're doing all these interviews
15:17right then you get hired and it's a sprint to build a coaching staff because there's usually
15:23six other guys that just got hired as well uh there's movement already there's some guys that
15:28are still playing in the playoffs like you have to build this coaching staff you end up with guys
15:32you might not know and i think that's tricky so i'm curious to see like does aaron glenn does he
15:38make moves after this season does he make changes to his coaching staff realizing you know some of
15:43these guys don't fit um i think that's an underrated element of the being a first time
15:49head coach is building the coaching staff i i completely agree with you cause uh the jets
15:54defensive line coach is eric washington assistant defensive line coach is uh cameron davis so i don't
16:01know those guys really well and i don't know their history like what their resume is but yeah i just
16:07think it's it's really damning to see quinnon be a star again with the cowboys look the jets got an
16:13amazing return for in what they got back but like you see the impact he can have that that cowboys
16:20defense has completely flipped on its head and they just played the two teams that were in the
16:25freaking super bowl in four days and they beat both of them with good defensive performances think
16:32about that guys in three in three years the jets are going to win that trade yeah in three weeks in
16:37three weeks the cowboys are going to win that trade yep right i agree i kind of have to look at it is
16:41like the cowboys they got they they got a boost to their defense uh along with some other pieces
16:47that they got back and stuff but he's definitely boosted their defense but like yeah three years
16:51from now when the jets the jets nail those picks or or one of those picks then then you know the jets
16:57win the trade and ryan one thing too sometimes things get stale man like sometimes you just need
17:04a new place you need new teammates you need to look at a new jersey that sometimes is a little bit
17:09of a motivating factor for you quinnon's been here for a long time man he has he's been a part of a
17:14lot of losing teams now he has been a part of a lot of really good defenses yeah it seemed like it
17:19right miserable yeah he was miserable i mean so like i think he's i think he's just i saw like an nfl
17:25films video of him on the sideline from the philly game yeah you know he just he seems like he seems
17:30like he's happy again you know someone with a joke to me or like you remember do you remember when
17:35like quinnon was drafted like part of it was like the smile and you know he had braces and
17:40it was like this bubbly guy and it just completely sucked the life out of him like he by the end he
17:46was like looting and like he you know he wouldn't answer questions and like yeah he was just so
17:52i think he's back to being that that smiley guy again yeah i mean i i'm frustrated at the player
17:57that he's playing better with the cowboys because the but i guess i should be more frustrated at the
18:01franchise as always for sucking life out of him and making him frustrated and making him to the
18:06point where it's like i don't want to be here anymore and that's a problem and that's also on
18:10this coaching staff where it's like you kind of push this guy out here because you weren't
18:13and this is part of i think coaching too cause you have to adjust your scheme to your players
18:18strengths as well like i hate when coaches go in saying we got our scheme and we're just going to
18:22find the pieces that fit our scheme it's like if there's talented players on the field you kind of
18:28have to coach around them to let them be that great you don't want to take that greatness away
18:32from them so that's where i get frustrated you know and this jet's pass rush has been terrible all year
18:37terrible like not good so i they needed the pass rush help and quinnage was supposed to provide that
18:44and he didn't so i don't know it's just yeah i'm glad we went through that uh now let's talk about
18:49the evaluation part of the players cause uh there are some key free agents here that are playing big
18:56roles on this team and their future with the franchise is up for question and i think you
19:01you brought some really good points and we got to start off obviously with reese hall uh and i just
19:06want to go player by player and why you think that player will be kept by the jets or not
19:10reese hall does he stay or does he go in 2026 yeah i think he'll be back right i think you've seen his
19:18value you know especially these last four or five weeks whatever it's been he's he's the best
19:25player on the team right now i don't think there's any question he's the mvp of this team
19:29so uh yeah i think they got to find a way to keep him whether that's a extension or whether that is
19:36using the tag um i think he's he's just proven to be too valuable to to let him walk and if you are
19:43going to bring in a rookie quarterback you know you got to have a team around them and breese is going
19:49to help that breese is obviously a weapon running the ball catching the ball so i think you got to keep
19:53him okay and what about tyrod taylor the current starting quarterback for the new york jets yeah
19:58he's interesting to me because like we talked about like it would fields be the guy to be the
20:02number two i like tyrod could be a good number two if you're if you're you know if you're going to
20:07draft a quarterback tyrod would be a guy to be a good mentor um and help a guy out you might want
20:14to upgrade there you might want to have someone who could actually you know challenge for the job
20:18more during the summer but i i think tyrod's in the conversation at least okay and now you got
20:25a guy who's hurt this year and out for the entire season elijah vera tucker who's missed
20:30multiple seasons now is due to be a free agent next year yeah he's interesting to me because
20:35you got to figure he's going to have to sign a prove-it deal right he's going to have to sign
20:38a one-year deal um no one's going to pay him with his injury history is are the jets that team
20:44i think titman's been good at guard uh simpson i'm not sure about like what they do there another
20:50free sort of yeah he's in this decision too he's a free agent the josh myers is a free agent at
20:55center so like you kind of have to look at this all as a group decision i almost think abt and the
21:01jets just just need to move on like i think abt might thrive somewhere else i think the jets kind
21:07of just might need to move on from him i talked to him ryan like a few weeks ago when he first came
21:13back in the locker room and he you know he said said something about a change of scenery to me
21:17like you know you never know i'm like you don't know if you change the scenery it'll do you good or
21:21whatever so i think he's thinking about it um it just it just hasn't worked here like and he's a good
21:28player but it just hasn't worked with the injuries so i wouldn't be shocked if if they parted ways
21:32this winter yeah but that's where i get frustrated again like with the quinnon thing another good
21:37player i don't want to see him play somewhere else and do well like why not give him a one-year
21:41prove-it deal you could you could i mean you could do that if you know it's going to be does
21:47he want to stay here um you know and i think that that becomes the question then well if they lose
21:54abt and then you who knows with john simpson do they do they bring him back he's not had a great
21:58year in terms of constant production it feels like he's had some bad penalties and he's also
22:03had some moments where he's not been good in the past game uh do you think he ultimately comes back
22:08he's a tough one to figure um i don't think so i think they'll probably move on again this is a guy
22:15who the last regime brought in like you always have to remember that with these guys like
22:18this this this group has shown they're not attached to anyone who was here before they got here so i have
22:25a feeling they'll probably just they'll probably go out and maybe look to find their version of john
22:29simpson now find a find a cost-effective veteran that they can plug in a guard like you know that
22:35was a good sign by joe douglas two years ago he played he's done a good job for them um so you know
22:41i i think they'll probably look for their their own version all right now let's go to the defensive
22:46side of the ball start with quincy williams
22:50quincy uh i think quincy's gone um i just
22:56i don't know the benching thing right that was weird like there's just there's that showed like
23:05this coaching staff or the front office or somebody doesn't really believe in him you know
23:09they drafted kiko so do they give him a run they paid sherwood this year the i don't think you can pay
23:17two linebackers now i don't know what quincy's market will look like this offseason um but i and
23:23i just i don't know i'm not sure how thrilled quincy is here and now he sees his brother like
23:27we just talked about for a while going to dallas and getting new life and remember guys there's
23:32there's coaches scattered around the league now that these guys played for with the last coaching
23:37staff so does he want to go to san francisco play for sala this team the falcons this week you know
23:43uh with with jeff albrick and the linebackers coach rudy he was here uh so i could see you know
23:50i could see quincy moving on all right now let's talk about uh his defensive line mate in michael clemens
23:57oh boy you want to handle this one right i mean i think he's a goner i wouldn't i wouldn't pay him
24:04i wouldn't give you a dollar
24:05he's been playing a lot still and i actually think he's playing better inside they've been
24:13using him inside more and that's more where he's where he belongs um definitely so like yeah i get
24:20it right i get it but like i think the coach fun watching him get blown up by a double team on the
24:25goal line for that second rushing touchdown really good there i i think the coaches like him i i don't
24:32know i wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't if he doesn't like i don't know you know what a market
24:36i wouldn't be shocked maybe the jets defensive lines coaching these guys get blown up on double
24:40teams that's great like keep doing that that's that's working out really well for us um all right
24:46let's talk about the special teams there's two players here that i really want you to touch on
24:51in kina and guanu and nick full yeah yeah kina is fascinating right because like that guy is such a
25:00weapon like you saw baltimore did not kick to him once right and so he's he's such a weapon back
25:05there but he can't stay healthy uh he was dealing with another injury last week he played but he was
25:10you know it was i think it was a game time tonight decision there so he i would try to bring him back
25:16because i just think he's such a good weapon in the return game um and then nick folk you got to bring
25:22him back he's been perfect you know he's been perfect as long as he wants to play like yeah i i bring
25:28him back at some point the wheels are going to fall off but they don't look like that's close
25:32right now so i i'm i'm you know and like we've seen teams that go oh we're going to take a young
25:38kicker it blows up in their face a lot so and the jets kind of did that for a few years so like yeah
25:43i'm totally bringing nick folk back yeah i mean look i hope that he's still willing to come back
25:47next year i think like you said though you do have to be cautious with an older kicker if they do
25:52eventually like just lose it and aren't as accurate as as nick has been perfect this year
25:56um so out of all those players frankie are any one of those decisions that cause just highlighted
26:02standing out to you uh i think the breeze situation is going to be the most interesting
26:11because i think i'm with cause gun to my head i would say breeze is going to be back but if breeze
26:19starts hearing murmurs out there about what his real market is and what he could be and who he is
26:24etc i think it may be a that might be a tough negotiation for the jets that they may not want
26:33to give him all the money that he may think he deserves i really think breeze is going to come
26:37into this offseason and demand more money than the jets are comfortable with if i had to make a guess
26:42i'm just guessing here obviously um then couldn't they stop i don't know frankie they could but i think
26:49that then running backs hate the tag man so like his agency his group they're gonna yeah i know i
26:56agree tough love give tag them but they're not gonna like that with his injury history they're not gonna
27:02like that at all so in the in the jets best interest tagging him makes the most sense but um i think
27:09breeze is gonna look for you know a four-year you know 45 million dollars kind of deal um the jets have a
27:16ton of cap space to play with frankie and this is the time where if you're gonna draft a rookie
27:20quarterback pay the guys that you think are premium position players and not premium position but
27:25premium like talent and players here yeah and and you don't have many of those guys and if you want
27:31to support your rookie quarterback why not give him a star running back that can actually take the
27:36ball and go to the house you know what i mean yeah just go to what a couple things that
27:41aaron glenn has said he's been in favor of paying players he's been saying that since march you he's
27:48been in favor of keeping your good players like that's sort of what detroit has done that's what
27:52he wants to do here now they traded sauce but like they paid they did give him a contract first
27:57so he's he's there and he has just been like effusive in his praise of breeze and it hasn't been like
28:03coach speak you know what i mean like he's he goes out of his way whether it was the you know
28:08knocking down the trade rumors uh or last week after he fumbled defending him you know he is
28:15i think he really really likes the player it makes sense i mean yeah go ahead frankie
28:22no really quick i i'm looking at a deal just a comp to breeze i think breeze is going to come
28:26into the offseason and bring up james cook for example four year for 48 million dollars and
28:33breeze is going to say i'm better than james cook are you kidding me like i'm paper in a vacuum i'm a
28:38better running back i can do more than james cook pay me what james cook got or a little more
28:42or a little less are the jets willing to go there kind of throwing that in there was kind of the comp
28:48that um contract wise that i think he's going to go to look at james yeah i think he's i think he's
28:5312 million i think he's 12 million dollars a year you know i think he's in the debt in that that area
28:59yeah i mean james cook rushed for 16 touchdowns last year and he has another eight this year he did
29:04ryan and then that's a discussion who's a better running back totally he's in a better yeah he's in
29:08a better offense you know yeah i know yeah well i hope they keep him because they need playmakers
29:15like him and he's damn good and again i would hate to see him go like quinnon williams to somewhere
29:20on the team and just be an absolute stud and it makes you frustrated this franchise continues to
29:26stumble on itself when they have good players and they just can't use them to the best of their
29:30abilities that's a sign of bad coaching in my opinion we've had a lot of that a lot of that
29:35bad roster management uh all right and then finally to wrap up this evaluation part of this discussion
29:41with gangs all here guys uh there's a couple other players here cause uh josh myers jeremy ruckert uh
29:47tony adams are all these guys pretty much like goners you think in the end they'll look to upgrade them
29:53yeah i would think so you know unless they they just don't have markets and and want to come back
29:59and they can get them on the cheap i think they're they're probably goners yeah that makes sense uh
30:05all right fellas let's let's switch uh switch switch part of the show here a little bit i want to go to
30:09the actual game itself here jets versus falcons uh key matchups for both of you and and i'm interested
30:16to hear i'll start with frankie what's your key matchup for jets versus falcons this weekend
30:20all right guys um my key matchup and this will tell me a lot about this jets offensive line and
30:29how far they've come but i think this week they're gonna have a tough matchup with some of those young
30:34edge players up there in atlanta with uh jalen walker and uh james pierce jr are two players that
30:43have been playing really well the last couple weeks um they uh they've been stacking up sacks last
30:49two or three weeks they're both those young guys i want to see the jets offensive line they're for
30:54real we think right those kids let's see how you neutralize them james pierce had a sack and a half
30:59last game jalen walker's had a bunch of sacks last couple games those young kids are starting to get
31:04going now rookies starting to get their piha quote unquote um i want to see how the jets offensive line
31:10deals with them olu fashionu and uh armand membu are bookend tackles that everyone loves i love
31:17we're all excited about them let's see you give up at most half a sack against those two young kids
31:24um they also have some other players on that d-line too they have leonard floyd one of our uh one of our
31:31nemesis there in atlanta and uh with uh our our our ex coach over there jeff olbrick gonna want to
31:40dial up a ton of blitz pressure up there that sometimes leaves those edges either unblocked or
31:45in these you know compromising one-on-ones it's gonna put some stress on our tackle so i want to see
31:52how well they play that's my key matchup not bad one uh cause what's your key matchup
31:57i'll uh flip over the other side uh be john robinson against this jets defense right they've
32:03they've done a great job against the run recently uh new england's a really good running team and they
32:09shut them down like other you know i gotta get they scored touchdowns in the red zone but really it was
32:14a passing game that killed them that night and then last week you know what they did against lamar
32:18running and derrick henry running was impressive and they held them to a really low total now be john's
32:24a different kind of guy than derrick henry like he's more of a home run hitter if they they miss
32:29on him he could be gone so i'm i'm we're at the stage now where you talk about like evaluation stuff
32:35ryan like what's real and what's just a blip on the radar like can can this run defense keep doing
32:41what they're doing against a really good running back in be john robinson yeah it's a good one cause
32:47and i also think uh it's everyone's gonna be paying attention to how be john effectively is used he's
32:53a special back uh and shorewood i think is going to be the key him and quincy obviously too like
32:59trying to contain be john and making sure he doesn't break loose for those those long ones
33:03i think for me fellas this is where i'm going with and i want to hear your thoughts on this i'm going
33:07with kyle pitts versus the jets defense kyle pitts is a special athlete now he has not lived up to
33:14his potential but the reason i say that is because do you guys know the jets have given up the second most
33:19touchdowns two tight ends in the nfl this season with seven touchdowns to opposing tight ends and
33:26i just think that's something to pay attention to because with drake london out for the falcons
33:31this week kyle pitts ultimately becomes the number one target i would say over darnell mooney
33:36because he's a big big receiver and he's also super fast and athletic so i'm interested to see how
33:41the jets are able to again sherwood and quincy can they cover the tight end do you put the safety on
33:45the tight end tony adams has not been great in coverage so um i'm interested to see how the
33:51jets cover up on on kyle pitts that's my key matchup to watch for uh not to not to bring up anything
33:57trivia related what's that well sorry guys go ahead they better not do what they did in 2021 when they
34:02had jfm covering him in london i was about to say that were you were you frankie yes i was about to
34:11bring up kyle pitts's history against the jets right there oh all right kyle pitts has had our
34:16number a little bit guys and gals it won't wouldn't shock me again this uh sunday against kirk cousins
34:22with kirk cousins going with him all right fellas uh time for trivia stump cause uh he he got us last
34:29week cause was able to answer all my questions so i only got one question for you this week cause
34:34all right which jets quarterback has the most passing yards in a single game versus the atlanta
34:42falcons that's an easy one right easy one that would be the legend brownie nagel that is correct
34:53brownie nagel wow 366 yards two touchdowns in a loss 20 to 17 to the falcons september 6th 1992 i was
35:03that's one of those that's one of those to go back and read the stories the jets have found their
35:09quarterback like he they went um pretty sure they went undefeated in the preseason that year
35:14and like that was back when the preseason when players played so like everyone was convinced uh
35:19brownie nagel is the dude he's the guy and uh yeah he never came close to that game again i'm pretty sure
35:26sounds like his career numbers sounds like justin fields week one against the steelers well
35:29and well you know had a great game against them his rookie year and you know they beat them that's
35:39right i think that's the last time the jets beat the falcons that's correct um it was a monday night
35:43football game in atlanta and gino played terrific and that was where jets found their guy these are the
35:51lessons you learn is when you hang around the jets if a rookie quarterback has a good game do not write
35:57that they found their guy we need to see more than one game yep
36:07all right fellas let's go to over unders and picks um i was reading some of the comments on the pod last
36:12week they want me to bring up how everyone did the week prior but also tell them what you guys did right
36:18and wrong so last week was a rough one for mr costello who went two and four and frankie went three and
36:25three now if we do a breakdown of what the actual picks were lamar jackson finished with under 207
36:31passing yards cause had the over as well as frankie tyrod with 189 and a half pass yards
36:37cause had the under cut tyrod went over that frankie also had the under he had the loss there too
36:42both you guys had tyrod throwing for over half a touchdown pass which they he had at one last week
36:48breeze hall 66 and a half rush yards last week cause had the over that was incorrect frankie had
36:54the under which was correct he only finished with 44 rushing yards derrick henry 87 and a half cause had
37:00the under which was a win and frankie had the over which was a loss and then finally lamar jackson 34 and
37:07a half rush yards cause had the over which he had under that and frankie had the under which was a win for
37:11him so frankie gets one on cause cause cause is now 39 and 33 you're up six units on the season
37:19and frankie has made a slip in yeah frankie has made his way to 29 and 43 so you are wow amazing down
37:27right now all right fellas let's start with this week though for tyrod taylor they have him according
37:35to fan duel 182 and a half pass yards cause man i'm having a hard time figuring out this falcons
37:42defense looking at because i know they're really really good early in the season they were great
37:46yep that looks like they've tailed off you know and i obviously haven't watched a lot of falcons
37:51football this season so i'm gonna have a tough time what was the number again rye it was 182 and a
37:57half pass yards for mr tyrod taylor i'm gonna go over okay frankie
38:05i'm gonna go under okay falcons have one of the better pass defenses in terms of yards giving
38:16up per game uh kirk cousins 190 and a half pass yards cause 190 and a half
38:25let frankie go first on this one okay you know what i'm gonna go under i'm gonna i'm gonna stay
38:36with this under theme for this game oh i think i know what frankie score is gonna be okay yeah i'm
38:42going under guys i'm gonna go under as well looking at just let i just look called up cousins numbers
38:50here he went 199 last week yep so no drake london bjohn robinson bjohn robinson i got two props for you
39:02guys i'll start with receiving yards receiving yards 34 and a half cause receiving yards oh you're
39:10throwing us a curveball yep uh 34 and a half i will go over on that all right frankie
39:20i'm gonna go under on that interesting cause how about bjohn robinson's rush yards this is a big
39:27number 79 and a half rush yards under cause believes that the jets run defense continues
39:36to get better and holds him in check frankie all right i'm gonna go over and i'll tell you why i
39:43i think he's gonna have a bit i think he's gonna have one really big run something in the you know
39:4845 to 50 yard range but let's flip it to our friend that we just talked about breece hall
39:56causes friend too who he loves quote tweeting 72 and a half rush yards guys 70 72 and a half yeah
40:06yeah it's a big number are the falcons bad at run defense let me look up the rush defense for the
40:12falcons right now they're they're not great i think it must not probably uh the falcons give up
40:20six they give up the eighth most eighth most rushing yards this season yeah
40:28uh all right i will go i saw i'm gonna go i'm gonna go under on the rushing yards though
40:36right if you give me yards from scrimmage i go high but under on the rushing yards
40:40okay frankie i agree with cause there i'll go under all right so now i think he's over
40:47as total yards if we're going there yet so now let's go to his receiving yards for brees hall 23
40:51and a half receiving yards cause over okay frankie right there right over all right now let's finish
41:02up with john mechie who had a nice big week last week and he's going to be this jet starting slot
41:07receiver for the next five years according to jets fans 35 and a half receiving yards cause
41:15over okay frankie same over all right i just like that prop a lot that's over unders for this week
41:25against the atlanta falcons now it's time to pick this work week 13 game the jets are two and a half
41:30point dogs all of us picked the ravens last week so we got the w ryan was the closest with the score
41:3528 to 10 i was 23 10 last week so i'll start off with myself since i was the closest fellas i feel
41:43very confident about this pick i think it's a guarantee how this outcome is going to be hear me out
41:50the new york jets are going to win sunday and get their third win of the season and win by a final
41:58score of 17 to 10 over the atlanta falcons the defense holds kurt cousins in check they hold
42:05bijon robinson in check kyle pitts doesn't do what he normally does against this jets defense and tyrod
42:11throws for two touchdowns in this game one of them to breeze hall the jets are going to win this game to
42:16ruin draft position to ruin the tank and make sure that they're on their way to be a middling team with
42:22only a top eight pick the new york jets are going to win this game 17 to 10 i'll go to frankie wow
42:30wow and you know what ryan i thought you said they want to win another game this year right
42:36this is the perfect week for the new york jets to win a football game kirk cousins in the elements which
42:42he hates playing in in a cold met life crappy turf stadium and he's got no number one wide receiver
42:49and the jets have played better against the run he's not going to have the run game support that
42:53he needs and the jets are going to win this football game 17 to 10 mark it you know what guys ryan i
43:01completely agree with you i completely agree with you guys you were back on baby we didn't get blown
43:08out for a few weeks against good teams we're back on back on the bandwagon i got the bandwagon um
43:15you have no listen i think technically not yeah now only the giants have been eliminated technically
43:21do we have joe burrow making the return for us is that why we're gonna run to the playoffs
43:29um ryan i agree with you uh i think it'll be a little there'll be a little bit more points on both
43:34sides there so my score prediction is 21 17 jets um kirk cousins and the falcons struggle big time
43:42against man coverage they are last in the league in completion percentage against man they cannot
43:49uh they cannot move the ball effectively against man and that was with drake london
43:55now imagine without drake london um i just left to play man obviously uh i don't like what i'm seeing
44:02with this falcons team as a whole i saw a couple clips and i've been sort of deep diving in without
44:08drake london there and kirk cousins playing outdoors on sort of his last legs i don't really
44:15think they're going to be able to do anything explosive enough i think b john will have a nice
44:18player too but where else are they going to get yardage from and the jets defense has been playing
44:25hard i think say what you want about aaron glenn i'm not yet sold on aaron glenn but uh he's got those
44:31boys playing hard there and i i i'll never uh doubt that because they are they're playing they're running
44:37all over the field sideline to sideline i think the jets figure out a way to win this football game
44:41i think breece hall's one of the most talented players in football and i do think with our
44:47offensive line they're going to neutralize what atlanta wants to do with their blitz pressures
44:53they sort of put the foot off the gas last week jeff all brick against new orleans atlanta they
44:58weren't blitzing as much i think they're going to come in and blitz a ton but i trust our offensive
45:03line and i trust tanner angstrand and tyrod taylor who had the fifth highest qbr last week tyrod
45:09taylor no one talks about that in football i'm picking the jets baby 21 17.
45:15guys wrap it up i'm gonna make this brief i'm just bringing us back to reality
45:19steve wilson's about to come to the podium uh no i'm with you three for three jets win this game
45:25let's go they've been playing better they get a team in their weight class you know they play teams
45:30that were better than them the last two weeks and hung in but now they get a team in their weight
45:34class 20 to 10. 20 to 10. two zero ten right yep two zero ten that's three three guys here picking
45:42the jets which you know it means jets fans put all your money on the jets this week
45:49fellas that's an episode we'll catch you next week thanks all
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