Jets Start OTAs With Hopes of A Better Season & Will Parkinson Joins the Show

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00:00:00Jets OTAs begin today, and we're here to talk about it with our Jets beat writer Brian Costello.

00:00:05We're going to welcome Badland's own Will Parkinson as well to get his takeaways.

00:00:09And Brandon Soresby, could he be a quarterback option for the Jets, Frankie?

00:00:13What do you think?

00:00:14I'm having a feeling yes, potentially yes.

00:00:18We'll see. We're going to break it down on today's episode if you stick around.

00:00:30Jets OTAs start today, and we figured why not talk to our Jets beat writer Brian Costello.

00:00:35He's going to be there tomorrow for Jets OTAs, and the media will be there.

00:00:39So we're excited. We actually get football practice on the field.

00:00:43Obviously, it's more organized team activities, but let's talk to Koz.

00:00:47Koz, how are you doing, man?

00:00:48This feels like really the start of this next season for the Jets,

00:00:52and we're actually going to see these guys on the field together.

00:00:56Yeah, it's always weird, OTAs, right?

00:00:57It does feel like it's the first time you see the 2026 team, but, you know,

00:01:03it only lasts four weeks, and then it goes away for, like, four or five weeks,

00:01:08and then training is really, you know, training camp is when it really starts.

00:01:10But this is our first chance to see them on the field.

00:01:13So, yeah, it's kind of the next phase of the offseason begins.

00:01:17Yeah, it certainly feels, like, refreshing, I think, for us as fans to see.

00:01:21Like, we've already seen the clips of Geno slow-mo throwing to Garrett Wilson,

00:01:26which has, I think, a lot of Jets fans excited.

00:01:27Because for you and what you're looking for,

00:01:30like, what is going to be the thing that you're keeping your eye on the most,

00:01:33you would say, just at the start of OTAs?

00:01:36Yeah, it's hard, right?

00:01:38Because I hesitate all these things in the spring, you know.

00:01:41They don't mean a whole lot.

00:01:42There's been years where Chad Hanson lit up OTAs,

00:01:46and everyone was like, oh, my God.

00:01:47Chad Hanson.

00:01:48They've got their second receiver.

00:01:50He's the guy.

00:01:51And then, like, he does nothing, right?

00:01:53So, and even, you know, the Cade Clubnick rage has been a little, I mean,

00:01:58I knew we were sitting there that day, and we were tweeting nice things.

00:02:01I'm like, this is going to go get out of control.

00:02:04We're going crazy with Cade Clubnick.

00:02:07So, you take it with a grain of salt.

00:02:11Why don't I go?

00:02:13Uh-oh.

00:02:14We lost Kaz.

00:02:16Did I cut out, guys?

00:02:17Yeah, you cut out.

00:02:18Yeah, you froze up.

00:02:19You froze up your back.

00:02:20Yeah.

00:02:21It should be good.

00:02:21Yeah, Wi-Fi just went out.

00:02:24Do you want to pick up on your Clubnick thing?

00:02:26Yeah, sure.

00:02:27What was the last part you heard?

00:02:28So, last part I heard was that right when you were tweeting out about Clubnick,

00:02:33things were getting out of hand.

00:02:34Yeah.

00:02:35All right.

00:02:36Just do you want me to count it down?

00:02:37Yeah, if you can give me a 3-2-1, and then you can go.

00:02:41All right.

00:02:413-2-1.

00:02:43Yeah, as soon as we were tweeting about how good Cade Clubnick looked in rookie minicamp,

00:02:47I knew it was a mistake.

00:02:48I knew that was going to get out of control on Twitter, you know, and it did.

00:02:52So, you know, hesitantly, this is a glorified 7-on-7 camp, right?

00:02:58There's no tackling.

00:02:59There's no pads.

00:03:00They have helmets on.

00:03:01But there's really limits of what they can do.

00:03:04You know, they can't press.

00:03:06And so it's – Todd Bolzos used to say they're in shorts whenever we asked them a question

00:03:12or not how somebody looked.

00:03:14But I'm curious to see Geno.

00:03:16Obviously, new quarterback, old new quarterback.

00:03:19I'm curious to see him.

00:03:20I'm curious to see the rookies.

00:03:22You can – we should be able to glean some things about Sadiq and Cooper and Pons

00:03:26because the passing game, you can see some things.

00:03:30I don't think we'll get much about David Bailey in this time because they're not going to be blocking him,

00:03:35really,

00:03:35and he doesn't have pads on.

00:03:37But, you know, the passing game, I'm curious to see this defense, the secondary especially,

00:03:42with all these new faces, how they look.

00:03:45And it's just, you know, just nice to see it's not fully football but a little bit of football out

00:03:49there.

00:03:50Kaz, just jumping straight into it, how much pressure do you think Aaron Glenn is on this year?

00:03:58Like, how much pressure do you think he's going to have to face throughout this year?

00:04:01Because this is the first time we're seeing the 2026 Jets.

00:04:03And I'm thinking, we're going to be judging Glenn from Jump Street.

00:04:09And I'm looking at how does that dynamic work between him and Frank Reich in terms of how much involvement

00:04:14does he have

00:04:15with maybe the offense or is Frank going to run the show himself?

00:04:18But I'm saying, how much pressure do you think he's under Aaron Glenn?

00:04:22He's under a ton of pressure, Frankie.

00:04:24I don't think it's now, though, right?

00:04:25Like, there's not much we're going to see now.

00:04:27The only thing he can screw up now are press conferences.

00:04:30That's really the only area he can get himself into trouble, and he's been better in that area this year.

00:04:34And, again, I've said it, like, it's, you know, press conferences this time of year are not that hard, right?

00:04:39It's, you're not getting, unless something happens, you're not getting very difficult questions to, you know, to answer.

00:04:46So, really, the pressure's on him, you know, that day in Nashville is when it starts.

00:04:51But I don't think there's much we're going to be judging him on now.

00:04:55You know, yeah, will we be able to tell a difference in practice if he's, how he's involved with the

00:05:01defense?

00:05:01A little bit, right?

00:05:02He's going to be standing in the defensive huddle calling the plays, so he's going to be over there a

00:05:06little bit more.

00:05:06But I don't think we'll be able to judge how much he's doing with the offense right now.

00:05:11To me, the Aaron Glenn questions really start in earnest training camp, but then really in September.

00:05:17Cause, talk to me about early on with OTAs, what to really expect between Geno and Garrett Wilson.

00:05:25You could argue Garrett Wilson, he's had true ups and downs with the quarterback position.

00:05:31I mean, you've had the downs and downs with Zach Wilson, the ups of ups with Aaron Rodgers when he

00:05:37was healthy.

00:05:38And then Justin Fields last year, his old college teammate, who just really couldn't throw the ball accurately.

00:05:43What do you expect between these two?

00:05:46Yeah, maybe lower expectations this year's guys than we've had the last few years, because I feel like it was

00:05:52a big storyline was like when Aaron Rodgers got here, how that can help Garrett Wilson, right?

00:05:56And it didn't really work between the two of them.

00:05:59They were, they kind of were snapping at each other in training camp and they didn't click.

00:06:04And really that, that, you know, the year Aaron was healthy, 2024, they just were not meshing very well.

00:06:11And it seemed just, then Devante came in and it seemed like Aaron Rodgers was locked in on Devante and

00:06:16Garrett was pushed to the side a little bit.

00:06:19But then last year, like you said, Ryan, what we're talking about this time, oh my gosh, he's back with

00:06:22his Ohio State teammate, Justin Fields.

00:06:25How great this could really help him.

00:06:26This could unlock Garrett Wilson.

00:06:28Wah, wah, right?

00:06:29Like it really wasn't all on Justin Fields with Garrett.

00:06:32Garrett got hurt early in the season, so it never really materialized.

00:06:37So maybe now we're not going to be talking about that as much with Geno and maybe they can click

00:06:41a little bit.

00:06:42And Geno is, you know, he's a professional quarterback, so he's going to be able to get people involved.

00:06:49That's what he has to do.

00:06:50Like you want him to kind of have the trains running on time and have an offense functioning.

00:06:57And Garrett's obviously a big part of that.

00:06:59I think we've talked about Brees a lot and kind of, we feel like we haven't seen all that Brees

00:07:03can do.

00:07:03And I think Garrett's kind of in the same boat.

00:07:05Are you expecting any weird formations or just set plays that you might see from Frank Reich,

00:07:13especially with the usage that you just mentioned of Brees Hall?

00:07:16I'm particularly interested in that, if they line him up more at wide receiver like we had hoped for last

00:07:21year.

00:07:22I mean, God, like I hate to be this guy, Ryan, but like we went through this last year.

00:07:25I know, that's why I'm wondering, guys.

00:07:27Oh my God, he's lined up and it was like, you know, oh, they're going to throw to him.

00:07:31And they just didn't.

00:07:34So like, you know, I'm going to get killed because I'm crapping on all the excitement.

00:07:42It's just hard.

00:07:43Like you just got to kind of this time of year, they're going to be experimenting.

00:07:46I don't think now, Ryan, they're going to be doing too much of that.

00:07:49I think that's more August when they try that kind of stuff.

00:07:52I think now it's going to be the basics.

00:07:53More install.

00:07:54They're probably going to get, you know, yeah.

00:07:55And like the rookies are just getting on the field for the first time with the veterans.

00:07:59They got to incorporate them.

00:08:01I think it's really more basic install right now.

00:08:04Get through that.

00:08:04Maybe in mini camp, we'll see a little bit more of that.

00:08:06But like, you just can't read too much into what you see at these practices because we've

00:08:13been through this too many times.

00:08:15You know, Ty Montgomery was going to be a huge part of the offense.

00:08:20And because we were judging training camp and it never happened.

00:08:24So, you know, I think we'll see more of that in August and we'll have to weigh how much

00:08:29we think it's going to factor into the season this year.

00:08:31Yeah.

00:08:32And I think, guys, this is a big coaching job for everyone, I think, at One Jets Drive

00:08:36because there's a lot of talent on this team.

00:08:38A lot of new pieces.

00:08:39A lot of new pieces.

00:08:40And it's kind of tough to say who's going to play where.

00:08:43I mean, go from the defensive tackles.

00:08:45We have three or four guys that could be rotating who plays more.

00:08:48We're Briggs, Sweat, Phillips, you know, Anya Mata.

00:08:51We have a bunch of guys up there.

00:08:52Then you look at the end situation too.

00:08:55If McDonald and Bailey are struggling stopping the run, let's say, what are you going to

00:08:59do?

00:08:59What kind of, you know.

00:09:00That's why you side Osai and Anya Bari.

00:09:03I mean, you want them to stop the run.

00:09:05Yes, totally.

00:09:06But then you also look at the offense.

00:09:07You can do so much, guys, with Garrett Wilson, with the rookie.

00:09:12With Brees and Sadiq and Omar Cooper.

00:09:14Absolutely.

00:09:15So that's why I think.

00:09:15And the offensive line, you can do some cool things with them too, shifting things around.

00:09:19I think that's what's so unique about this year and why I am interested, Kaz, which what

00:09:23you guys are going to note is like how they're using some of these new pieces, where they're

00:09:27lining them up, how many of them are going to be on the field at the same time.

00:09:30Are they going to do a bunch of two tight end sets, you know, early on?

00:09:33Like, how does this offense operate early?

00:09:36Just so you know, right?

00:09:38The Jets have rules when you watch practice.

00:09:40Like, we cannot report on formations.

00:09:42Interesting.

00:09:42Yeah.

00:09:43We cannot report on personnel usage.

00:09:45So, like, you might be like, oh, my gosh, tell me how they're doing when you sign your

00:09:50credential.

00:09:50That's what you're signing.

00:09:51It's not every team.

00:09:52Every team has their own rules.

00:09:54The Jets are very restrictive.

00:09:57You're not allowed to take photos of anything after stretch.

00:10:00Like, you know, like it's very, very restrictive.

00:10:04And it always has been.

00:10:05This isn't an Aaron Glenn thing or anything.

00:10:06It's been like that forever.

00:10:08So, yeah, I'd love to be able to come in and tell you everything they're doing.

00:10:12But sometimes people break the rules and tweet out stuff.

00:10:17But it's you're not supposed to do formations and things.

00:10:20But, yeah, I'm curious to see that, too.

00:10:22I think there are a lot of chess pieces on this offense that they can use.

00:10:27The good news is when the public practices happen, there's no rules for you guys in the

00:10:30stands.

00:10:31If you want to come tweet whatever you see from the stands, which is always interesting

00:10:34to me, we're not allowed to do it.

00:10:37It's so backwards, man.

00:10:38It's so backwards.

00:10:40There was one time at Cortland where I got it.

00:10:42This was in the early days of Twitter.

00:10:44And we weren't allowed to tweet.

00:10:45And so I went to someone and someone introduced themselves to me who was on Twitter.

00:10:49And I said, tweet this out and I'll retweet you.

00:10:52And so they were they were tweeting out this stuff.

00:10:54And I was just retweeting them.

00:10:55And I said, hey, there's no rules about retweeting things.

00:10:57I just can't report myself.

00:10:59And then there was one time they did Wildcat.

00:11:01And I said, you might call this you might call this crazy feline formation.

00:11:08I got in trouble for that.

00:11:10We got code words for Kaz.

00:11:12Like we do.

00:11:13He looks fast out there.

00:11:15Like, you know, like you got to come up with something way of describing some of these

00:11:19guys.

00:11:20You know, Ryan, I'll be honest with you.

00:11:21Omar Cooper.

00:11:23Fast.

00:11:24Super fast.

00:11:25You know, I'm surprised how fast he is.

00:11:27Like, maybe that's like the way he ran that slant route.

00:11:29You know, he can't even say that.

00:11:31It's crazy.

00:11:32So let's talk about one thing, Kaz, I do want to ask you about his positional position battles,

00:11:37one on ones.

00:11:37I think we'll see some of those.

00:11:39I am fascinated.

00:11:40Do you think they put the rookie right up against Garrett Wilson with ponds and say, hey,

00:11:45Kate, let's see if you can hang with one of the best in the NFL here.

00:11:48Like that could be a fun, I feel like battle.

00:11:50You can see.

00:11:50Yeah.

00:11:51At some point, at some point, I'm sure he's going to face them.

00:11:53I would, I'm very, I'm interested to see how they break ponds in.

00:11:56Right.

00:11:57Like, do they start him one spot or the other outside or inside?

00:12:01Do they move him back and forth?

00:12:03I'm not sure if Brownlee is all the way back from the injury that ended his season.

00:12:07I mean, he was, he was in pretty bad shape, like in terms of he was on crutches and everything.

00:12:11So I'm not sure what his recovery looks like.

00:12:14If he's going full in practice, but like that, cause that could influence it.

00:12:17So does he start at one position and then they use them into the other position, but

00:12:21I'm sure he's going to face Garrett at some point, if not in the spring, in the summer,

00:12:25he's going to have to.

00:12:26Yeah.

00:12:26I think this is a big summer too, guys, for AZ Thomas.

00:12:29Sure.

00:12:29I think he's got to solidify himself that, you know, can he actually be that cornerback to

00:12:34that outside guy?

00:12:35Because I think if he doesn't play well and he gets burnt a few times and the coaching

00:12:40staff doesn't feel too confident in his ability, I think they're going to put ponds right there

00:12:44as CB too.

00:12:45He's got to earn it.

00:12:45Well, of course.

00:12:46They got right.

00:12:47Don't, don't forget about right.

00:12:50You're right.

00:12:50Yeah.

00:12:51That's another one.

00:12:51He's in there too.

00:12:52I feel like he's in the mix too.

00:12:53Like it's going to be interesting to see how that goes.

00:12:56And the AZ Thomas and Malachi Moore, two second year guys in that secondary that played a lot

00:13:01last year, uh, because they had to, and now they've signed a bunch of players at those

00:13:07and drafted at those positions.

00:13:09How do they fit in in their second year?

00:13:12Um, and it's going to be interesting to see how they end up playing.

00:13:15And I wonder cause also for you, uh, speaking of positional battles, it's hard to evaluate

00:13:21one-on-ones with the offensive and defensive line with pass rush versus offensive tackles.

00:13:25Of course.

00:13:25Cause they, they, you can't really hit the guy as hard as you'd want.

00:13:29Like you're no pads.

00:13:30No pads.

00:13:30So even though like you could say, Hey, Bailey just got the best of fashion on that rep.

00:13:35It's like, all right.

00:13:36But like, we can't really judge that cause fashion doesn't have pads on.

00:13:40It can't really block them.

00:13:41Yeah.

00:13:41So the pads come on.

00:13:43You can't really evaluate the line play.

00:13:45It's really just passing camp right now is what you're looking at.

00:13:49Cause what kind of defense do you think?

00:13:52And there's no way to know, but I'm asking obviously his opinion and yours too, right?

00:13:56What kind of defense do you guys think Aaron Glenn's going to run?

00:13:58Because I looked at some of the stuff he was running in Detroit and it was a very aggressive,

00:14:02a lot of man ran some four, a lot of four, three at times, but then moved to multiple.

00:14:07Not at all.

00:14:08Really?

00:14:09Um, I don't know his list.

00:14:11You want a multiple front.

00:14:12You can look at three, three, five kind of thing that could be considered a three, four,

00:14:16whatever.

00:14:16Um, but I'm curious.

00:14:18Do you think Glenn's going to come into this season and say, I'm going to do what I did

00:14:22in Detroit.

00:14:23And, you know, I knew that it worked to a degree.

00:14:26We all, we all know the stats that, you know, he ranked here and there and it wasn't as impressive

00:14:30as people think, but it was good enough for him to be considered a top defensive, you know,

00:14:35coaching candidate.

00:14:36Now I'm wondering, what do you guys think he's going to do this year?

00:14:39Do you think he's going to try to reinvent himself a bit and how he calls plays and how

00:14:43he lines people up?

00:14:44Or do you think he's going to go with all faithful and what he knows in Detroit?

00:14:47I'd like to answer that one.

00:14:49Yeah.

00:14:50Aaron Glenn doesn't strike me as a reinvent himself.

00:14:53I think he's very confident in his abilities and what he does.

00:14:59And so I have a feeling he's going to come out frankly and say, yeah, this is what we

00:15:02did in Detroit.

00:15:03This is what, you know, I took some of this from new Orleans.

00:15:05Like this is what we do.

00:15:07And, and I do think they're going to be a blitz heavy man team in terms of three, four,

00:15:13four, three.

00:15:14I think that's going to be flexible.

00:15:16And I do think now you're in nickel so much that it kind of changes that whole thing.

00:15:20It's not really true three, four and four, three very much at all anymore because they're

00:15:24in nickel so much, but yeah, I think he'll be aggressive.

00:15:27I think he's going to be blitzing a lot.

00:15:30And, you know, I, I think, I think the focus is going to be, how do we take the ball

00:15:36away

00:15:36after the disaster that was last year in that department?

00:15:39God, I hope.

00:15:39So I think that's going to be heavy, heavy focus.

00:15:41Yeah.

00:15:42Create some turnovers, man.

00:15:43Be aggressive on the ball.

00:15:44And that's what Aaron Glenn made his career after is being aggressive at the ball.

00:15:48Yeah.

00:15:49At the point of it.

00:15:49Over 40 career interceptions.

00:15:51I mean, it's crazy that that has that foundation and, and focus is not carried over into

00:15:57his team right here.

00:15:59I think they've clearly, like we talked about, they've injected a lot of talent, both on the

00:16:02offensive and defensive side of the ball.

00:16:04It's a matter of let's be about turning the ball over as you would think.

00:16:09Yeah.

00:16:09And let's get after it.

00:16:11I mean, look who they saw, like Nayshaun Wright.

00:16:12Nayshaun Wright.

00:16:13Totally.

00:16:13Had an interception last year.

00:16:15Minka, I know last year wasn't a big number for him, but in his career, he's been a ball

00:16:19hunk.

00:16:20He's been around the ball.

00:16:21So I, you know, I definitely think, and then focusing with the pressure up front with the

00:16:27David Bailey, with Osai.

00:16:29A ton of force fumbles Bailey had.

00:16:31Yeah.

00:16:32And just creating pressure will create interceptions.

00:16:34You know, I think, I think that's having a pass rush will create some more interceptions.

00:16:38You know, so I think that's definitely where the focus is at defensively.

00:16:41Completely agree with you, Kaz.

00:16:43All right.

00:16:44Let's, let's switch topics here.

00:16:45Cause we got news today also in the NCAA world about Brandon Sorsby, quarterback, Texas

00:16:52tech, right?

00:16:53So, or he's a transfer to Texas tech.

00:16:55So yeah, transfer from Cincinnati.

00:16:57He's under gambling investigation.

00:16:58He admitted to gambling on games when he was at Indiana.

00:17:02Today, the NCAA denied his eligibility for this upcoming season.

00:17:07Now Sorsby did not, was not in this last draft.

00:17:10However, there's an opportunity here of him going to the supplemental NFL draft.

00:17:15June 1st is the date to pay attention to and circle if you're a Jets fan or just an NFL

00:17:20fan

00:17:20in general, because that is when a court will decide whether or not he can get the injunction

00:17:24that he's filing for with his lawyers or doesn't get the injunction.

00:17:28Now, if he gets the injunction, he will have a very good chance of playing this upcoming

00:17:32season in college football.

00:17:33If he doesn't get the injunction, he will end up most likely in the supplemental draft,

00:17:37which he would have to make a determination by June 22nd, declaring, I'm going to the

00:17:42supplemental NFL draft.

00:17:43Kaz, from your perspective here and your reporting and knowing this Jets team and how Aaron Glennon

00:17:50and Darren Mugey think, they did not invest heavily into that backup quarterback position.

00:17:56Right now, it is an open competition, you could say.

00:18:00Is there any sense that the Jets would actually investigate and say, we're going to take a real

00:18:06shot at Soresby, who is supposed to be a highly touted quarterback prospect going into next

00:18:11year's class, if he ends up in that supplemental draft?

00:18:15Investigate, absolutely.

00:18:17I think they have to investigate this, right?

00:18:19Whether they do it or not, I'm not sure that that's going to be after hours of conversations

00:18:23between Aaron Glenn, Darren Mugey, Woody Johnson, scouts, right?

00:18:27All of them.

00:18:28I do know this, when I was talking to somebody inside the Jets around the draft, and when

00:18:35they went on that Pro Day tour, right, one of the things that they really felt that they

00:18:43got an advantage on that Pro Day tour is they saw a lot of the quarterbacks for next year

00:18:47on that tour, right?

00:18:49They went to Ohio State, and Julian Sane was there throwing.

00:18:52He was the guy throwing to the receiver, right?

00:18:54They went to Notre Dame and Carr's, the quarterback, throwing to the receivers.

00:19:00They went to Texas Tech, and Soresby was at Pro Day, was throwing at the Pro Day.

00:19:04He was working there as well as the one that was in the draft this year, the Texas Tech

00:19:07quarterback.

00:19:08But they felt like they got to see some of them.

00:19:10So they definitely were already doing work on Soresby for next year.

00:19:14I think the question is, you know, do they have concerns about the gambling issue?

00:19:20I think that's a real thing that you have to talk about, where they feel the talent is,

00:19:25because I think this was going to be a big year for him to prove where he belonged in

00:19:29the draft.

00:19:30And then, okay, what draft pick are you going to give up for him in the supplemental draft?

00:19:36You know, I don't know.

00:19:37I think we'll know more of that as we get closer, and this becomes a little more real,

00:19:41and people start talking about it.

00:19:42But I'm not really sure what the cost would be right now.

00:19:45But I think you have to consider it, because that position, right, you just take as many

00:19:50swings as you can take until you hit one out of the park.

00:19:54And I think we've seen with Mugi, he's an explore every option type of guy.

00:19:59That's for sure.

00:20:00I mean, I thought you were going to say the big news today, Ryan, was the year of Charles

00:20:04trade.

00:20:06And I joke, but look, I mean, like, how many calls does Mugi make before he finds

00:20:14someone who says, yeah, we'll give you a 2028 seventh for this guy who didn't play

00:20:19last year, he's 29 years old, and is a special teams player alone?

00:20:22He's a seventh round hit.

00:20:23It's a great trade for us, I'll say that.

00:20:25I think that's what he's talking about.

00:20:27But it just shows that Mugi, he works the phones.

00:20:31Like, he is always working the phones, and so I'm sure he's not going to just go, ah,

00:20:38I'm not interested in Sorsby.

00:20:39I'm sure he's going to be exhausted in his research with his scouts and coaches and see,

00:20:45you know, what does Frank Reich think, what do they all think about Sorsby before they

00:20:51make a decision.

00:20:52But I think they have to investigate it, Ryan.

00:20:54To answer your question, I think it's something they have to look at.

00:20:57Frankie, can you talk more about what the Jets would have to give up for Sorsby?

00:21:01In the supplemental draft?

00:21:02Yeah, I just pulled it all up right here.

00:21:04So basically, what's going to happen is this.

00:21:06If they do choose to have a supplemental draft, they might not.

00:21:09And basically, it would just be one player.

00:21:11It would be Brandon Sorsby, would be the only player in the draft pool.

00:21:15You have three tiers that they set up.

00:21:18Tier one is teams with six or fewer wins that didn't make the playoffs, which is every team

00:21:23that usually has six or fewer wins.

00:21:25Which is the Jets in this case.

00:21:26Yeah, you have the Bengals, Chiefs, Saints, three, Browns, four, Commanders, five, Giants,

00:21:32six, Raiders, seven, Jets, eight, Titans, nine, Cardinals, ten.

00:21:37There's ten teams.

00:21:37That's a lottery system.

00:21:39Then you have another tier of non-playoff teams and a tier, the last third tier, of playoff teams.

00:21:46They do a lottery system.

00:21:48You get the number one pick.

00:21:50It doesn't mean it's going to be the Raiders or whomever or the Cardinals.

00:21:53So, all the pool in tier one goes into the lottery.

00:21:56So, the Chiefs, hypothetically, could get the number one pick in the supplemental draft

00:22:00because they had six or fewer wins.

00:22:04Then you bid blindly.

00:22:06So, let's say the Chiefs put a second rounder on them, and then we put a third.

00:22:11If no other team puts a first, let's say the Chiefs are the first team, the Chiefs would get them.

00:22:17If another team puts a second, the Chiefs would still get them because they were the first one in that

00:22:22draft.

00:22:22So, you just blindly bid.

00:22:24So, you know, you want to hope you get a higher bid, but, I mean, if a team goes in

00:22:29and wants to put a second down,

00:22:32there might be another team out of this ten.

00:22:33So, there's going to be ten teams that are going to be in this lottery, and you'll see how it

00:22:38kind of ranks out.

00:22:40What's fascinating, Kaz, is that the Jets obviously have the three first-round picks.

00:22:44I don't think they would use one of those three first-round picks on this supplemental draft.

00:22:50But would you say they wouldn't be opposed to giving up one of those second or third-round picks for

00:22:56a chance at Sorsby,

00:22:57or is that, again, part of that conversation of how valuable do we think this guy can actually be as

00:23:02a quarterback prospect for our team?

00:23:05I think it's that, and I think it's you're also starting to do the math on next year's draft.

00:23:10Totally.

00:23:11You know, like we're starting to hear a lot of different things about how many quarterbacks we were in the

00:23:14first round.

00:23:15I think McShay said a crazy number the other day, right, like eight or something like that.

00:23:20I don't know what my son was telling me.

00:23:21Todd McShay said some, yeah, do the Jets think there's three quarterbacks that are first-round picks next year at

00:23:28this point?

00:23:29And go, oh, well, we might not get one of those.

00:23:32Maybe this is worth taking a swing on.

00:23:34So you do do a second-round pick.

00:23:35Or do they feel like there's going to be six or seven or eight guys worth taking?

00:23:39Then I think that's part of the calculus here is you're trying to figure that part out, you know?

00:23:44I was saying a third.

00:23:45It's an interesting conversation.

00:23:47Kaz, what do you think of a third?

00:23:48A third?

00:23:49Yeah.

00:23:50Third, you're starting to feel more comfortable with, right?

00:23:52First and second-round picks, you want them to play immediately.

00:23:55Totally.

00:23:55You kind of want them to be more sure things.

00:23:57Third-round pick, I feel like you're starting to roll the dice a little bit more.

00:24:00Yeah.

00:24:01So it all depends, obviously.

00:24:02Like I said, June 1st, we will find out whether or not he gets that injunction.

00:24:06If he does not get that injunction, he is most likely ending up in the supplemental draft for the NFL,

00:24:11which begs the question, how invested would the Jets be into that situation

00:24:16and going in and getting a Brandon Soresby into that quarterback room?

00:24:19Because, Kaz, you would agree, there's still an open spot there for that backup quarterback spot,

00:24:24and why not bring in more competition with a Soresby, who's a highly thought-of prospect at the quarterback spot?

00:24:29I thought you liked Bailey Zappi.

00:24:30I am not about the Bailey Zappi life.

00:24:33I've got to be honest with you guys.

00:24:34I've never heard Bailey Zappi talked about more than I have in the last year.

00:24:38I think the Jets have left the door open, right?

00:24:39The Jets have left – like, they didn't sign Russell Wilson.

00:24:43Yeah, true.

00:24:43You know, remember Aaron Glenn said when he talked to us, there's a lot of veteran quarterbacks we've talked about.

00:24:48So, they haven't gone down that road.

00:24:50So, clearly, they're not in love with any of those guys,

00:24:53and they're leaving this open for, you know, Klubnik and Zappi and Cook to compete.

00:24:59But, yeah, I think adding another one there.

00:25:00And for older Jets fans, Rob Moore was a supplemental draft pick of the Jets.

00:25:06You remember the receiver from the 90s.

00:25:08That was – I think he's probably the last guy the Jets took in the supplemental draft.

00:25:11The last guy I remember going in the supplemental draft was Josh Gordon.

00:25:16That's right.

00:25:17You remember him, the receiver with the Browns.

00:25:18Yeah, he was a supplemental draft pick.

00:25:19And Bernie Kosar, way back when, I think he was a supplemental draft pick.

00:25:24Yeah.

00:25:24Probably the – maybe the best one.

00:25:26I don't know.

00:25:27Was Steve Young a supplemental draft pick?

00:25:30No, I don't think so.

00:25:31Steve Young – well, Steve Young went to the USFL.

00:25:33What the USFL?

00:25:34I don't know if he went to the supplemental draft, though.

00:25:37No, yeah, I don't think he was a supplemental draft.

00:25:39Okay.

00:25:39I'm not sure, though.

00:25:40It's – I'm trying to think of that one, but –

00:25:43It's weird because it's so – there's so much up in the air with the supplemental draft.

00:25:47There's not much, like, objective standards to it.

00:25:50It's not like we have to do it because of this.

00:25:52It's like, oh, the NFL, whomever's in charge, kind of comes together and says –

00:25:56I got one right, finally.

00:25:58He was.

00:25:59Steve Young entered the NFL through the 1984 supplemental draft,

00:26:02following his standout career at BYU and his stint at the USFL.

00:26:05High five.

00:26:06High five.

00:26:07I finally got one right.

00:26:08I'm happy about myself that I knew something.

00:26:10That was a long high five.

00:26:11I was up here for a while.

00:26:12You can find –

00:26:13He's the best one, man.

00:26:13He's the best one.

00:26:14You can find a Hall of Famer in the supplemental draft, I'm just saying.

00:26:19And Tim Tebow come back out to the –

00:26:21No, no, no, no, no.

00:26:22So, it's definitely a fascinating conversation.

00:26:25That date is coming up in a matter of four days.

00:26:28I mean, June 1st is next Monday.

00:26:29Yeah, that's crazy.

00:26:30So, we're going to get an answer here soon, Kaz, and who knows?

00:26:32If he doesn't get that injunction, I'm sure Frankie and I are going to keep hammering you about Jets and

00:26:37Sorsby.

00:26:38Sorsby and Jets.

00:26:39What's going to happen, Kaz?

00:26:40Are the Jets all in on this guy?

00:26:42Well, the only teams up there, guys, the only teams, Cardinals and Browns are probably the only two other teams

00:26:48you can say.

00:26:49The Raiders aren't going to put in a bid, I don't think.

00:26:51The Titans, probably not.

00:26:52The Giants, no.

00:26:54Commanders, no.

00:26:55Saints and Chiefs, no.

00:26:56So, Bengals, no.

00:26:57Saints, maybe.

00:26:58Saints, yeah.

00:26:59Saints could put in like a fourth.

00:27:00Right.

00:27:00So, yeah, I mean, it's the Cardinals and the Jets in that 2-1.

00:27:03Cardinals and the Jets, yeah.

00:27:04And the Browns.

00:27:06But the Browns have kind of a crowded room there.

00:27:08Listen.

00:27:09Crowded midroom.

00:27:09The character concerns are definitely real with the gambling because that's a scary proposition going into the NFL.

00:27:13And he's betting on some weird stuff.

00:27:15And he's betting on his actual team playing.

00:27:16So, you really need to find out those character concerns and if he's putting those issues behind him.

00:27:20And if he has, the talent's there.

00:27:23People like this kid a lot.

00:27:24I'm curious, too.

00:27:25I don't know what the pre-draft process is like for the supplemental draft, right?

00:27:30And I imagine he'd have workouts and meetings.

00:27:31I read Albert Breer this morning.

00:27:33Albert Breer said he would work out four teams leading up to the draft.

00:27:38So, like the Jets would get out.

00:27:39And I'm sure he'd have to have meetings, interviews, and all that stuff.

00:27:41Yeah, you'd have to have, like, he's probably not allowed to visit the facilities, but they're probably allowed to go

00:27:46to him.

00:27:47Yeah.

00:27:48It's a fascinating thing.

00:27:49We're going to find out by Monday what the heck's going on with Brandon Sorsby.

00:27:51All right, Kaz, this city is on fire right now with Knicks mania as they are heading to the NBA

00:27:57Finals for the first time in 27 years.

00:27:59I heard Kaz was outside on 7th Ave the other night.

00:28:02He didn't tell anybody.

00:28:03Yeah, he was there.

00:28:05If my son wanted to go, Frankie, I probably would have been there.

00:28:08He's a big Knicks fan.

00:28:10That's cool.

00:28:11He wanted to watch at home.

00:28:12That's cool that he likes the Knicks.

00:28:14You're lucky.

00:28:14I've never seen, honestly, this is something that begs the question I think a lot of us are asking here

00:28:20in this Jets community is, if a Jets playoff run like this Knicks team were to ever happen, what would

00:28:29that be like?

00:28:30And I know from the fan perspective, we can answer that.

00:28:33But I'm curious, Kaz, from your perspective as a beat writer and been covering this team for a long time,

00:28:38and you've been covering this team and just straight up when they've been downright awful this entire time.

00:28:45And you missed out on that 0-9-10 run, right?

00:28:48Like, that was the closest to it.

00:28:50But from your side and your perspective, what would that be like if the Jets were to ever go on

00:28:54a Knicks-esque run like in the playoffs?

00:28:57Yeah, I mean, it'd be nuts.

00:28:59I've had this debate with people before about what's the bigger parade, the Knicks or the Jets, right?

00:29:04Because that's what we've kind of been both around the same time.

00:29:06Now, I think the Knicks are bigger, guys, because the fan base is not split in the city, right?

00:29:11There aren't really many Nets fans out there.

00:29:13Sorry, Evan Roberts, but there's not many Nets fans.

00:29:16Like, the Jets and Giants, it's split.

00:29:19So, like, you know, it's definitely, I think the Knicks are a little bit bigger in terms of that.

00:29:24But it would be crazy, the reaction.

00:29:26I mean, especially now, Jets fans are so starved after all these years of losing.

00:29:33And, you know, I think it would be insane.

00:29:35And, yeah, through the years, Joe Beningo has accused me of liking that the Jets are not good.

00:29:42And he says the B reporters love the Jets when they're in chaos and losing,

00:29:46and we want them to lose, and it's better for us.

00:29:49And I always say, Joe, I'm like, you know, the number one goal is to be read, right?

00:29:54When you're in this job and you can talk about clickbait and all that stuff.

00:29:57But, really, you want to be read.

00:29:59What's the number one story I could ever write that would be read by more people than anything else?

00:30:05The Jets win the Super Bowl, right?

00:30:07That story would be crazy traffic on nypost.com.

00:30:12So, it would be nuts, right?

00:30:15I know it would be because even with all this losing, Jets fans are still crazy.

00:30:21And, like, I've been reminded that last week.

00:30:24I was on vacation last week.

00:30:26And the Jets have nothing going on until now.

00:30:29OTAs start now.

00:30:30The Giants started OTAs last week, right?

00:30:34And the Giants had a town hall where they had coaches.

00:30:37They had Harbaugh, Shane, and the players available.

00:30:40So, there's been a lot for Paul Schwartz to write about in the last week.

00:30:43So, I'm getting these emails.

00:30:45What are you doing?

00:30:47There's four Giants stories today.

00:30:49There's no Jets stories.

00:30:50Get off your ass.

00:30:52And I'm like, okay.

00:30:54I was like, I'm on vacation, number one.

00:30:56You know, I'm like, I have some personal things going on.

00:30:59I'm like, I'm dealing with that.

00:31:00And I go, and plus, there's nothing to write about with the Jets right now.

00:31:03Like, when the OTAs start, there'll be plenty of Jets stories out there.

00:31:07So, Jets fans are crazy.

00:31:08And they're still starved.

00:31:09In the middle of May, they're begging for Jets stories.

00:31:12So, I can't even imagine what it would be like if the Jets ever go on a Knicks-like run.

00:31:19It's feeding the content beast that is the NFL, right?

00:31:22And that's all, I think, not only just Jets fans.

00:31:25I think all NFL fans are always starving for more content from their teams.

00:31:28With that being said, I said this to Frankie Kaz earlier.

00:31:31I said, it's very refreshing that the Jets are not the butt of jokes and not the headline grabbers right

00:31:38now like the Giants are right now.

00:31:40And the situations that they are currently going through in the last week.

00:31:43Like, it has certainly been fun to watch from our side and that perspective.

00:31:48Like, have fun with that circus and how that's going.

00:31:51And I think what I can say from reflecting on, because I've thought about this now for two straight days,

00:31:56of what would it be like if the Jets ever went on this type of run?

00:32:00You know, like, I can't emphasize this enough, guys.

00:32:03Like, I've met people, like, in the last couple days who have actually walked up to me like,

00:32:07Hey, man, love the pod, love what you guys are doing, and, like, if only we could get this team

00:32:11to win.

00:32:11I'm like, I feel you, brother.

00:32:12I feel you.

00:32:13And they're all Knicks fans, and they're like, it's so much fun to watch.

00:32:16I could say, I've related closest to the 0-9-10 run.

00:32:21I, you'd be on Clown 9 as a fan, and we would just be, I think, feel finally justified and,

00:32:28like, feel good about ourselves.

00:32:30Like, we're finally being rewarded for rooting for this team for 20-plus, 30-plus, 40-plus years, however many

00:32:36long you've been a fan.

00:32:37And you've been beaten down for so long.

00:32:40Like, if they were to ever go on this type of run where they dominate Kaz in the playoffs, and

00:32:44it's not even a competition in these games, could you imagine the fans and how reactionary we'd be?

00:32:50We'd be nuts.

00:32:51I wouldn't be nuts.

00:32:52I don't even think they need to dominate, Ryan.

00:32:54Like, yeah, they just win.

00:32:55But, yeah, I've had, too, I've had this conversation through years with people that work for the Jets that get

00:33:00very upset at the coverage and feel like they're not treated fairly.

00:33:04And I've tried to tell them, like, you know, yes, like, losing here, you get killed, right?

00:33:11Like, there's, it's different here with the back pages and certain things that we do are different.

00:33:19But the flip side is there's nowhere, like, here to win.

00:33:22But for most of the people who work for the Jets, they've never experienced the winning.

00:33:26So it's hard for them.

00:33:28But, like, I go back, like, even though I wasn't the beat writer then, I was around in 0-9

00:33:32and 10, around the team a little bit.

00:33:33And we did a special section before the Jets played the Patriots.

00:33:39And it was the Star Wars cover.

00:33:42And they were all different Star Wars characters, like, Belichick was Darth Vader.

00:33:46It's my favorite back page to date.

00:33:47Yeah, Rex was, it was a special section cover.

00:33:50And Rex was Han Solo.

00:33:52And I think Sanchez was Luke Skywalker.

00:33:55And then Mengold was an Ewok.

00:33:57Yeah.

00:33:57And Mengold kept that as his Twitter profile forever.

00:34:02It was him as an Ewok.

00:34:03And then Rex had the, Rex had it framed in his office, the cover.

00:34:08And so I'm like, you know, when people ask me sometimes, like, well, what's the difference in New York?

00:34:13Like, that's the difference.

00:34:14Like, you'll never be an Ewok in Jacksonville.

00:34:19Like, so, like, so, like, if the Jets could ever figure this out, like, winning here is not like winning

00:34:24anywhere else because everything's magnified just like the losing is magnified here.

00:34:28And LOL Jets, all that stuff has been magnified.

00:34:32The winning will be magnified as well when they can turn it around someday.

00:34:36Yeah, and if you look at the years, too, what happened after 2010?

00:34:41A lot of people joined Twitter then.

00:34:43I joined Twitter in 2000, I think, 11.

00:34:45Yeah.

00:34:45The really advent of mainstream social media started after 2010.

00:34:50So, you look, I mean, people signed up for Facebook in, like, 07, 08, 09.

00:34:53But really, things got moving in 10, 11, 12 is when, like, you know, that initial explosion happened, that hockey

00:34:59stick growth that you see with social media metrics.

00:35:03We were there, but we were starting to lose.

00:35:05So, things have been compounding almost negatively for years, guys.

00:35:08I remember all of it.

00:35:09Yeah, man.

00:35:10We haven't had really good coverage on Twitter or, you know, if you want to call it that.

00:35:15I think that's what makes this whole conversation so relatable for Jets fans is because Knicks have gone through the

00:35:19same exact dysfunction that the Jets have for the past 27 years.

00:35:24Yeah.

00:35:25And Woody Johnson, Woody Johnson, James Dolan was Woody Johnson five years ago.

00:35:30Yeah, yeah.

00:35:31He was viewed the same way.

00:35:33And so, that's, like, when people are like, well, it's never going to change as long as Woody owns the

00:35:37team.

00:35:38I'm like, well, no.

00:35:39Like, look at the Knicks.

00:35:40Like, James Dolan got out of the way.

00:35:42This guy got out of the way.

00:35:43And he hired someone that he trusted.

00:35:44Yes.

00:35:44But, Ryan, when he hired someone, he trusted.

00:35:47Right?

00:35:48Like, Woody, people are like, Woody medals.

00:35:50Woody medals when he feels like the guys he hired aren't doing the job the way he wants them to

00:35:55do it.

00:35:55Woody usually stays out of the way for the beginning.

00:35:58And then, it's not like day one, he's ordering guys what to do, usually.

00:36:03Like, and so, I think the key was, like, Dolan, you know, because Dolan had hired a lot of people

00:36:08that, Phil Jackson and Donnie Walsh and guys that had accomplished a lot.

00:36:13But it started not working.

00:36:15And Leon Rose, I think he just had confidence.

00:36:17And he saw results pretty quickly.

00:36:20And so, he stayed out of the way.

00:36:21I think Woody would do the same thing if he has people he trusts in those jobs.

00:36:25And maybe Darren Mugey can prove to be that guy.

00:36:28Certainly hope so, man.

00:36:29I'm praying for it.

00:36:31I'm praying for a quick turnaround.

00:36:32And who knows?

00:36:33Maybe Brandon Sorsby is the future quarterback of the Jets and can take us to the promised land.

00:36:36I just want this parade to happen, Ryan, where we're not old men that we could actually, like, you know,

00:36:40enjoy ourselves a little bit.

00:36:41I don't want this parade to happen and, you know, I'm in a walker or something.

00:36:45You know what I mean?

00:36:46Like, come on, man.

00:36:48My fear is I'm going to have to push Samini in a wheelchair.

00:36:53Down fifth half, guys?

00:36:56Unbelievable.

00:36:57Unbelievable.

00:36:57Guys, he had to get the digging.

00:36:59He had to.

00:37:00Because you're the man.

00:37:01We're looking forward to your coverage throughout OTAs.

00:37:03I'm looking forward to seeing your tweets, non-tweets about formations, non-formations, who's fast, who's not fast, all that

00:37:09good stuff.

00:37:09We'll talk to you soon, man.

00:37:11Thank you, as always.

00:37:13All right, guys.

00:37:14And we're joined by our special guest from the Turn on the Jets podcast and Badlands, Will Parkinson.

00:37:21It is a pleasure to have you on, sir.

00:37:24How you doing, man?

00:37:25How's it going?

00:37:25How's the off-season been for you so far?

00:37:28It's been good.

00:37:29It's been good.

00:37:30It was just a nice little, nice to cut.

00:37:32Last couple of days, took a content break for a couple of days.

00:37:35You know, every day, draft coverage, free agency, combine, senior bowl.

00:37:40It's been a long one, but we're back.

00:37:43Rejuvenated OTAs are here.

00:37:44Some of those meetings, like camp stats, you'll see of all time.

00:37:47But, no, we're feeling good, man.

00:37:48The Yankees won a couple games in a row.

00:37:50You know, Knicks, obviously, in the finals, which is awesome for New York.

00:37:52So, you know, good stuff.

00:37:54Will, I told Ryan, I was like, Ryan, what the hell do you want to talk about?

00:37:58We have to do another podcast this week?

00:37:59Are you kidding me?

00:38:01Got to feed the content beast, man.

00:38:02That's what it is.

00:38:03A break is needed, Will.

00:38:04Will knows that all too well.

00:38:04You got to feed the content beast.

00:38:06A break for Will's two days, though.

00:38:07This guy goes every day.

00:38:08I know.

00:38:09I know.

00:38:10And then we're going to harass him now on this show.

00:38:12So, look, Will, we actually just talked to Kaz.

00:38:15So, Kaz was talking to us a little bit about OTAs, what he expects.

00:38:20Real quick for you, now that it starts today,

00:38:22what's the thing you're looking forward to most for Jets OTAs over the next couple days?

00:38:28Good question.

00:38:30I would say, obviously, you always want to see the rookies, right?

00:38:34It's just always fun to see them in their actual uniform.

00:38:36They're with the vets.

00:38:38And there's just some form of normalcy to it.

00:38:42You want to see how, you know, Bailey and Cooper and Sadiq and these guys move.

00:38:46You talk to every – any player you ask that played in the league or at any level.

00:38:50It doesn't have to matter, you know, high school, college, NFL.

00:38:53But, obviously, in the NFL, it's always like,

00:38:55when you're the first time this guy put on pads, he's a dude or he's not.

00:38:57And that's not always a thing.

00:39:00But I remember asking Mike Westhoff, and he was like –

00:39:04I saw D-Milner play one rep of team period in pads, and I knew he sucked.

00:39:09He was a guy – you just know immediately he's bad.

00:39:13And so, you know, that's what I'm saying.

00:39:15It'll be nice to see – you know, it's always fun to get some of the Gino clips

00:39:17thrown at the Garrett and these different things.

00:39:19It's always exciting.

00:39:20But I just think seeing the guys back and how the young guys are going to look

00:39:24and, you know, you'll get – I'm sure we'll get a clip of DeMario breaking a huddle down

00:39:28and everyone will get juiced up about it.

00:39:30But you want to see Bailey move a little bit and just get out in the field

00:39:32and, again, in a helmet with the vets.

00:39:35Is there a couple guys that look like they're in, you know,

00:39:37quote, unquote, best shape of their life and that type of stuff?

00:39:40So, yeah, no, I don't think there's, like, anything specific for me in terms of one guy.

00:39:44It's more just a group of young players, some of the new guys,

00:39:48and just, you know, seeing everyone back together.

00:39:51And, again, OTAs don't mean a ton, but it just – there's some camaraderie to it.

00:39:57And, again, can they look like a normal team?

00:39:58Can some of those young guys and new guys move and look like –

00:40:02you know, does the talent level look different on the field

00:40:04even just in shorts and helmets?

00:40:05Yeah, I think something that Frankie, I, and Kaz were all really drawn to

00:40:10and conversation-wise about OTAs, what we're looking forward to is really this offense

00:40:14and the formations that we could see, the pieces, the chess pieces

00:40:18that Frank Reich's going to have, the fact that you're going to be injecting

00:40:21Sadiq in here with the addition of Garrett Wilson and Brees Hall back.

00:40:25Like, how does he use all these pieces with Geno, a quarterback now?

00:40:29It's certainly going to be a fun, I think, example of what you're going to see

00:40:34early and often, how they're going to roll these guys out in packages.

00:40:37Is there going to be a lot of two tight end sets?

00:40:39Are they going to be rolling with Mason Taylor or a bunch out there?

00:40:41So, I think, for me, that's what I'm really excited to see is, like,

00:40:44seeing all these guys out in the field on offense together

00:40:47and how they're going to be able to distribute the ball to all of them.

00:40:50Yeah, and like I said, you want to see, you know, can they –

00:40:53even if it's just OTAs, can they find a creative way to, you know,

00:40:58start integrating Sadiq into the offense?

00:40:59And, you know, where are some of these guys – I'm always curious, you know,

00:41:02under Salah was always the, oh, the rookies have to run with the fours

00:41:06and then the threes, you've got to make them earn it.

00:41:07You know, well, I should have gone and played the rookies right away.

00:41:10It was like, no, these guys are playing, and they got reps right away.

00:41:12And, you know, I'd be – you know, I'm interested to see if, like,

00:41:16day one of OTAs is, like, is Sadiq running with the threes and the fours?

00:41:20Because, you know, the roster is obviously 90 deep at the moment.

00:41:23You know, it's not the 53 that, you know, you get to on game days

00:41:25and things like that, but the 46 on game days.

00:41:28You know, what's Pons look like just from a size perspective?

00:41:30How is he moving?

00:41:32You know, where are they lining him up?

00:41:33And, again, I know it's OTAs, but, you know,

00:41:37it's just a different type of offense, obviously from a scheme perspective,

00:41:41but it's also a different type of offense that the quarterback is not hampered.

00:41:45It can only run, like, three different plays.

00:41:46And if one of those three plays isn't working, you can't run it.

00:41:51Obviously, I know a lot of people are going to be excited about Klubnik,

00:41:53and I get it.

00:41:54I would say, like, extreme temper expectations on this one.

00:42:00A, if he looks terrible, that doesn't mean he's always, you know,

00:42:05no matter what can be bad.

00:42:06But if he looks really good, he's a guy who played 40-plus games in college,

00:42:10and he's basically running seven-on-seven.

00:42:12And while the game does move quicker, let's also not, like,

00:42:15put an expectation on this guy that day one of camp he has to be Dak Prescott.

00:42:19Like, I just need to reiterate this for the 800th time.

00:42:21If K Klubnik is a, like, a top-end backup in the league for the next five years,

00:42:26that's a massive victory for that pick.

00:42:27You're paying a backup quarterback 800K.

00:42:30He's a homegrown guy.

00:42:31He knows your system.

00:42:33He's experienced, good locker room guy, the whole thing.

00:42:35Like, that's a huge win, man, in the fourth round if you're drafting a quarterback.

00:42:38If he can be a spot starter and a guy who can play the Case Keenum's of the world

00:42:43and those, you know, that type of, like, they're on 800 teams over the next decade.

00:42:47But, like, you know, even Tyrod throughout the rest of his career,

00:42:49like, that'd be a massive win.

00:42:51That'd be one of the better picks of this draft class.

00:42:53And if he's terrible, it'll probably be a lot of what I said on draft night,

00:42:57which was, like, I just didn't really physically understand why you had to use

00:43:00two fourth-rounders to go up and get a guy who probably could have waited

00:43:05about 80 picks on.

00:43:06But, again, the Jets loved him.

00:43:07They went up to get him.

00:43:09And, again, I hope he is at least a quality backup because if he's that,

00:43:12the Jets have not had a quality backup quarterback that can stay healthy

00:43:15and is not expensive.

00:43:17I don't know, since, like, Brunel in 09, like, Kellen Clemens.

00:43:23Yeah.

00:43:23You know, it's like they haven't ever really even hit on –

00:43:25we talk about some of these draft busts, right, guys, about, like, you know,

00:43:29quarterback and tackle and receiver.

00:43:30Like, they've botched backup quarterback horribly.

00:43:34Totally.

00:43:34You know, not only in the trade market but in the Bryce Petty and Hackenberg

00:43:38and Matt Sims and, like, there's – the names are – get pretty –

00:43:41Taj Boyd.

00:43:42Yeah, all of them.

00:43:42Taj Boyd.

00:43:43Another Clemson experienced quarterback.

00:43:46Terrible in the NFL.

00:43:47Yeah.

00:43:48Well, speaking of that, I think when the Jets looked at Clubnick,

00:43:51he almost played in 50 games.

00:43:52We have to remember that.

00:43:54They brought in a high-floor backup as well as they did a starter.

00:43:57So, there's something there to be said about they're looking at the kid as a backup.

00:44:02Now, keeping on that point or staying on the quarterback point,

00:44:05now with this Brendan Soresby situation, guys, I don't think the appeal –

00:44:09I don't think they're going to win the appeal.

00:44:10I think the NCAA is going to put their foot down,

00:44:12and they're going to say you are not allowed to play this season.

00:44:15So, again, Will, the deadline's coming.

00:44:18June 1st is when we'll find out whether or not Soresby gets that injunction.

00:44:22If he does not get the injunction, he will most likely be heading to the supplemental draft for the NFL.

00:44:26And we ask Kaz straight up, is that something you think the Jets would investigate?

00:44:30He goes, I absolutely think they're going to investigate that if he goes to the supplemental draft.

00:44:34So, that makes you wonder, how tempting would that be, Will,

00:44:39if Soresby's there in the supplemental draft?

00:44:41And how high of a draft pick would you think the Jets would be willing to go

00:44:44to bring him into this quarterback room?

00:44:48So, if I was the Jets, I don't know, an early day three pick, maybe a late day two pick,

00:44:54if you're really like – if you feel like there's something truly there.

00:44:57And I don't know what the Jets pre-draft grade on him this year was before he ended up going

00:45:01back to school.

00:45:02That's at this point on my pod, like, if you had a first-round grade on him

00:45:06and you thought he was a first-round player and you were like, hey, I hope he falls to 33,

00:45:09then yeah, hell yeah, you should be investigating it.

00:45:11If you thought he was a fourth-round prospect before this draft, you know,

00:45:15a guy who did 10,000 micro-bets on balls and strikes at Reds games and bet on a team,

00:45:20he's probably not – and the reason I'm dubious the Jets will be super involved in this is just two

00:45:27parts.

00:45:27One, the timeline thing's weird.

00:45:30And, again, the Jets will have more information by the time the supplemental draft gets here.

00:45:33Is he going to be suspended?

00:45:34Because if he's suspended for the year, it's really hard for me to believe a regime

00:45:38that needs to win games and also, like, if he's going to be suspended

00:45:44and they look really good, how are you supposed to not draft a guy next year?

00:45:49And then if he is not suspended and he plays and he looks terrible, but it's like –

00:45:53Yeah.

00:45:53I don't know.

00:45:54There's just something weird about the timeline.

00:45:55Yeah, it doesn't make so much sense.

00:45:56And then character thing's real, man.

00:45:58Like, the Jets have been – I know they've taken shots on the pass on some of these guys.

00:46:01And I'm not saying Brandon Sorsi is a bad guy because I think, like, betting is legal

00:46:06and there's betting hotlines for a reason.

00:46:08And, like, it's an addictive thing, man.

00:46:10In NIL money, we've never seen athletes with, like, this type of visible money.

00:46:14And it's, like – I understand he's an 18-year-old, 19-year-old kid, like, at a Reds game.

00:46:19It's, like, with his boys hanging out.

00:46:20I just thought it probably was, like, this is hilarious.

00:46:22I'm going to bet on games.

00:46:23Not excusing it.

00:46:23I'm just saying, like, he clearly was, like – when you're betting at that level

00:46:27and it's, like, dollar bets and all these different things, it's not a normal –

00:46:30it's not a normal – it's a normal thing for, like, a normal kid to be doing in college.

00:46:35The issue is, like, the Jets passed on guys in this draft.

00:46:38They thought they had character concerns.

00:46:40And they weren't gambling issues and other things.

00:46:42Like, I know there's players that were not on their board for just character of just, like,

00:46:47hey, they didn't think he, like, had enough dog in him and, like, that, all that type of stuff.

00:46:49So, I'm a little dubious they would be all in.

00:46:53But, again, I think the Jets should investigate it because you have to –

00:46:56the traditional way of the Jets getting a quarterback has not worked so far.

00:46:59They've drafted the wrong guys at the top of the draft.

00:47:02They've drafted the wrong guys on D3.

00:47:03They've traded for guys.

00:47:04They've brought in veterans.

00:47:06And usually, weirdly enough, like, the way Gino is,

00:47:08they've kind of gotten only lucky with the mid-30s, like, kind of fun journeyman quarterback

00:47:14and, like, McCown and Fitz and Vinny and stuff outside of Chad.

00:47:17So, and I just – if the Jets put, you know, like, this is our guy

00:47:22and we think there's a real – there's a lot of talent in here

00:47:25and we think he can be a potential, like, high-end starter in the league,

00:47:29you should be all over it, right?

00:47:31So, should Arizona and Pittsburgh and, you know, a lot of these different teams –

00:47:34like, Pittsburgh should be, like, borderline giving up a one for Soresby

00:47:37because I don't know how they're going to be too good to tank

00:47:40and they're going to be – you know, they're in a weird situation.

00:47:43Like, is that the way they reset their clock?

00:47:44Or is Arizona, you know, really going to invest in Carson Beck long-term?

00:47:49Point being, like, again, I think the Jets should be a team that very much is in the mix

00:47:54and if there's – if they feel like they're good on the character stuff

00:47:57and there's elite talent there, which there might be – like, there is some really –

00:48:01Well, I guess that's the question, right, Will?

00:48:02Like, how good is the talent there, right?

00:48:06I don't know if you – when you watch them, like, you get a little Rogers and Josh Allen,

00:48:09you get a lot of Zach Wilson in there too.

00:48:11Oh, yeah.

00:48:12And it's, like – it's, like, the twitchy quick release, but then he's got a big arm.

00:48:16He's a big kid and he runs around and, like, some of the back foot throws, it's exciting.

00:48:20But it's also, like – maybe it's a little PTSD, but, man, like, sometimes you watch it

00:48:24and you're, like, God, that's that.

00:48:26That's that could be why you –

00:48:27Would a third-round pick, would that hurt you that much in the long run

00:48:30if you ended up getting Soresby for, like I'd say, a third-round pick

00:48:34and you bid on him and you won the bid?

00:48:36Because, as Frankie's pointed out, the Jets are going to be in Tier 1

00:48:39with the Cardinals and the Saints who you would think maybe would investigate that situation.

00:48:43And if it's a third-round pick and you end up winning that bid,

00:48:46it's not the worst thing in the world to spend on Soresby.

00:48:53Is he muted?

00:48:54Yeah, I don't hear him right now.

00:48:57You know, if he needed to, you could trade him and say,

00:48:59hey, you know, he still has value because now he's not suspended

00:49:02and there's a year in NFL training camp and practices

00:49:05and we feel better about the player and something maybe gives you a four.

00:49:07And it's like, hey, we still got value.

00:49:10And we see what quarterbacks go for, right?

00:49:11Like, Jets just got value for Irv Charles today.

00:49:15So anyone has value in the league.

00:49:16My only counter would be, like, I just –

00:49:21if the Jets do end up surprising a lot of folks,

00:49:24and they do win seven, eight games,

00:49:26and they do need a lot of capital to move up for a quarterback

00:49:29and they don't want to have to give three first-round picks

00:49:31and they want to be able to be like, hey, we move two ones and a three

00:49:34and a five to move up for CJ Carr or Arch or whoever it is,

00:49:39I just, like, almost want to have those picks

00:49:41to be able to really maneuver around the board.

00:49:43And Mugi's done a really good job of trading.

00:49:46So while he's a premium position,

00:49:49you would understand the Jets doing that.

00:49:51Again, unless they feel like –

00:49:53I just – my whole caveat is, like, is the character check out

00:49:56and what's the suspension look like?

00:49:58Because if he's not going to be suspended,

00:49:59it's a much different conversation.

00:50:00He's playing the preseason.

00:50:02We have real tape on him.

00:50:03He can practice.

00:50:04Dude, if he – they draft him and he's suspended for the year

00:50:06and he's just not even around the facility,

00:50:08it's such a lost year.

00:50:09And what if this staff isn't good now?

00:50:11Is the next staff not going to like him?

00:50:13And then there's that whole conversation.

00:50:15I just – my only worry, I guess, with that type of stuff is just

00:50:18there's some behind-the-scenes logistics

00:50:20that I'd have to know before I would feel confident

00:50:22giving up anything more than a three or a four.

00:50:24Yeah, the thing with Sorsby, guys, too,

00:50:26and, Will, to what you were saying is true,

00:50:28sometimes he makes plays and you're like,

00:50:29wow, where did that come from?

00:50:31And other times he's like,

00:50:32what the hell were you thinking there, man?

00:50:34Like, that's the worst play you could have possibly have made

00:50:36in that situation.

00:50:37Similar to Drew Aller, very similar kind of prospects.

00:50:40I kind of graded them both kind of equally

00:50:42if Sorsby were to come out.

00:50:44Sorsby hasn't put together a year yet, by the way.

00:50:46He hasn't put together a year from start to finish

00:50:48where he's thrown for 3,300 yards,

00:50:50had a completion percentage, you know, over 65%.

00:50:54Like, that hasn't happened yet.

00:50:55So, you're banking on traits completely.

00:50:58That's why I would go with a third.

00:51:00You can sleep at night saying, you know what,

00:51:03the timelines, like Will's saying and like we've spoken about,

00:51:06right, they don't check out because you're looking at

00:51:092027 as your year to really find that quarterback.

00:51:12What the hell is the worth of this kid just hanging around back there?

00:51:15You know, it's like the Beetlejuice, you know, he's hanging out.

00:51:19What's he going to do here if you're looking at 2027?

00:51:22With that said, I think the traits are good enough

00:51:24where you can justify a third rounder and saying,

00:51:27let's just rock and roll with that.

00:51:29You're going to have to go through this supplemental, you know, top.

00:51:32There's 10 teams, Will, with six or less wins

00:51:34that are going to be in this lottery in Tier 1.

00:51:36And it'll just, you know, keep going down the list.

00:51:38And if the Steelers, like you're saying, put a one on him

00:51:43and let's say they're in Tier 2, if none of the teams in Tier 1 have a one,

00:51:47the Steelers are going to get him, right?

00:51:48So it's just going to keep going tier to tier to tier, there's three tiers.

00:51:51So, yeah, it'll be interesting.

00:51:53Mind you, the NFL's done this before with Terrell Pryor

00:51:55who gave him a five-game suspension heading into the NFL.

00:51:57So there's been some precedent there before.

00:51:59If they want to hand out a suspension like Will's saying to Sorsby

00:52:02going into his first year, they could absolutely do that.

00:52:05All that will play into the timeline.

00:52:07But June 1st is that first date.

00:52:08Family stuff just talked to us.

00:52:10It is.

00:52:10It's like, it's just a very messy thing.

00:52:13And, like, if he had to only bet on other sports

00:52:17but in the facility and stuff like that,

00:52:19where while it's still illegal, he would look different.

00:52:22The fact that I know he can, you know, first of all,

00:52:25his excuse of why he bet on Indiana football was insane.

00:52:28Insane.

00:52:28Just like, I'm trying to support the boys is insane.

00:52:32It's wild.

00:52:33I respect it.

00:52:34I respect it.

00:52:35I mean, paying a big Texas lawyer a million dollars on top of that.

00:52:41I'll take that job any day, guys.

00:52:42We should make T-shirts with an Indiana logo.

00:52:44Just try to support the boys.

00:52:46Support the boys.

00:52:49If you – we'll get Joe Sherman to be his lawyer.

00:52:53We'll get away with it.

00:52:54You would.

00:52:55Well, to that point, too, and Ryan,

00:52:58I can never put my finger on what a gambling addiction is

00:53:01or how bad it actually is.

00:53:02Does anybody really know?

00:53:03Like, can you recover from it?

00:53:04Is it as bad as a drug addiction?

00:53:06I don't know.

00:53:07I don't know.

00:53:07I'm not getting into that.

00:53:08But I'm just saying that's where we're kind of – that's where we're talking.

00:53:10I know.

00:53:11Is it a real character concern or is it not?

00:53:13I mean, it shows – I think it shows a serious level of immaturity,

00:53:16I would say, from his part of not understanding the seriousness of his actions

00:53:20that he took.

00:53:21And now he's dealing with the real ramifications of it.

00:53:25It's ruining his potential NFL career, which is crazy

00:53:27because he is considered a top prospect going into this year for 2026.

00:53:31Like, people are thinking of him like, hey, can he elevate himself into that first pick

00:53:34or into the top, you know, three quarterbacks selected here?

00:53:38So, it's certainly an interesting situation.

00:53:40Will, let's talk about real quick that flip side.

00:53:43Frankie, I think, wants to go after you a little bit about your predictions

00:53:45for this Jets team going into 2026 because you've mentioned here a couple times now

00:53:50with us, like, if the Jets win more games, how many games are they going to win?

00:53:54Because I think Frankie says you might have picked eight wins for this team,

00:53:57nine wins.

00:53:57How many wins?

00:53:58Yeah, yeah.

00:53:59I think I – so, here's my thing.

00:54:02Do I think that there's a – I'll walk you through it like this.

00:54:06Pre – like, right after the season happened, we're just looking at this roster

00:54:09going into 2026.

00:54:10I was like, this is a three-to-five win team, which is what they should have been

00:54:14like than what they were, right?

00:54:15Not should have been, like, that's what they were.

00:54:16They probably should have won some form of Carolina, Pittsburgh, and Denver, right?

00:54:21Like, I think most people thought those games, and then they won the other three

00:54:23games.

00:54:24So, they were somewhere between a three- and a five-win team on paper.

00:54:27Yeah.

00:54:27I thought pre-agency, they were somewhere between a, you know, five-to-seven-win team,

00:54:33somewhere in that range, where, like, they seriously upgraded the floor.

00:54:36But, again, you know, you wanted to see some excitement, you know, some more pop at

00:54:41receiver, some more pop at edge rusher.

00:54:43You thought they were probably a corner short.

00:54:46You definitely thought they were at least an offensive playmaker, if not multiple away.

00:54:50I think post-draft, I feel like they're somewhere between a six- and a nine-win team on paper,

00:54:54where a good Geno year, where he's anything like he was in Seattle for literally any of

00:54:58the three years, because he was a nine- or a ten-win quarterback every year when he was

00:55:02a starter in Seattle.

00:55:03So, then that would make a lot of sense, right?

00:55:05And it's going to come down to coaching and quarterback and health and these young guys.

00:55:08But their roster, I think, is significantly better on the offensive side of the football

00:55:13than it's been, again, on paper, than it's been in a long time.

00:55:16I don't think the division's as good as it's- I think it's the worst the division's been

00:55:20in a while, where, like-

00:55:21I agree with that.

00:55:22Is anyone really buying that, like, the Patriots are going to still be a 14-win team?

00:55:26Not with what's happening this offseason, no, man.

00:55:28I think they'll be a 10-win team that, like, isn't great.

00:55:31They'll get in because they have a great quarterback and a really good coach.

00:55:35What's Buffalo with the new head coach, man?

00:55:37You don't know.

00:55:37I don't know, man.

00:55:38Like, we're going to find out that as much as Sean McDermott, you know, is a loser 9-11

00:55:44supporter, but anyways, the fact that he's- no, all jokes aside, like, he's maybe not

00:55:49the best postseason coach, but the regular season, they were-

00:55:52every year, man, consistent 11, 12, 13 wins.

00:55:55He's a professional.

00:55:56He's a damn good coach.

00:55:57I don't care what anyone says.

00:55:58He's a really good professional, like, you know, he gets you there.

00:56:01Whether he gets you over the hump, obviously he didn't.

00:56:04So I think both those teams are solid.

00:56:05Miami's tanking.

00:56:06Yep.

00:56:07The NFC North, I think, is a good, really good division, and they beat up on each other,

00:56:11but Detroit doesn't feel as amazing as they did the last, you know, maybe 12 months

00:56:16ago, where, like, it felt like, I mean, they're a 15-win team going into 25-25 season.

00:56:20They missed the playoffs last year, and they-

00:56:22Ben Johnson's not there anymore.

00:56:24It's that simple, honestly.

00:56:25Yeah, Ben Johnson's not there anymore.

00:56:26Like, the defense, I know a lot of people I hear, the defense was worse without Glenn.

00:56:29Yeah, it was.

00:56:29Not saying he's made as big of an impact as Ben Johnson, but, like, they were just-

00:56:33Yeah.

00:56:33They were not as good.

00:56:35Chicago did a lot of the Viking, old Vikings thing, where they're like, every win was

00:56:39like, this crazy, at the end of the game, amazing comeback, and, you know, I'm not saying

00:56:44that that's a- they're going to win that game.

00:56:46I'm just saying, like, we're chalking all these games up as losses.

00:56:49The Packers have literally never won a game without Micah, and Josh Jacobs just got accused

00:56:52of some pretty heinous crimes yesterday, and from all accounts, like, there was a tweet

00:56:57that came out four days ago that the Packers knew he turned himself in.

00:57:00And that cannot be a good sign, although, with the NFL, you know, you never know what

00:57:05the suspension would be like that, right?

00:57:07But, just my point being, like, is there not a world where they could start two and two?

00:57:12Like, is it that insane that they could be two and two?

00:57:14Even if they're one and three, the next four games, they should be able to win a couple

00:57:18of those games, if not more.

00:57:20Three of those four are the easiest games on their schedule, all at home.

00:57:23Yep.

00:57:24If Aaron Glenn's worth anything as a coach, and Geno Smith's got anything left in the tank,

00:57:28I think they should still be at least a respectable outlet.

00:57:31Like, I've said this a bunch of times, guys, and I really feel like this.

00:57:35Yeah, is there the 10% possibility they're really exciting and they overachieve and they

00:57:40make, you know, they're a wildcard team, and we are all like, wow, they overachieved by

00:57:44a year, and now they have all these picks, and we're so excited about 27.

00:57:47Yeah, of course, there's always that reality.

00:57:49We've seen it a ton of times.

00:57:51Is there a 20% or 30% reality they are a three-win team because Geno gets hurt in

00:57:55week

00:57:55four, and Glenn's not very good.

00:57:57And Demario is older than we think, and Minka gets hurt, and it's like, it just starts to

00:58:01spiral.

00:58:02And hey, a lot of people will be like, everyone will cope and say, hey, look, they have three

00:58:06first-round picks and a loaded draft, and they're not very good.

00:58:09I still think there's like the 60% median that they're somewhere between what Vegas has them

00:58:14is about a six to an eight-win team.

00:58:17They're stuck in the middle, but I'll say this, like, there's two ways it could look.

00:58:22You do not want them to be a team that's one and nine going into week 11, and then they

00:58:26win five.

00:58:27Five of the last, yeah.

00:58:28That would be a disaster.

00:58:30Disaster.

00:58:31But I'd rather them, honestly, guys, start four and four competitive football.

00:58:36The young guys are playing well, and it's like, hey, the quarterback's the problem, or

00:58:40the coach is the problem, but it's not the players.

00:58:43I just really worry, and I know I'm rambling here, but I really worry that, God forbid,

00:58:49they're as bad as some people think they're going to be.

00:58:52It would start to worry me is the player is also terrible, because at some point, it can't

00:58:57just be coaching.

00:58:58Like, is Olu good or not?

00:59:00Is Membu as good as we think he is?

00:59:02I think both guys are really good, and I think Membu could be an all-pro this year.

00:59:04Like, I think there's that possibility.

00:59:07What if Brees is, like, 800 yards and, like, looks washed, you know?

00:59:11Or Garrett's, like, scraping and clawing to get to 1,000 yards, and it's like, damn, man,

00:59:16like, we love Garrett, but is he maybe not the level we think?

00:59:19I don't think these things are true, but it would start to worry you if Will McDonald

00:59:22has four sacks and David Bailey looks overwhelmed.

00:59:25He'd be like, oh, no.

00:59:26Like, we might not have the right guys, and I think Bailey's going to be a good player.

00:59:31Like, I think, you know, Garrett's a superstar.

00:59:33Like, I think those things, but again, I just worry a little bit of, like, I have a little

00:59:38PTSD.

00:59:38It's more data of the PTSD, Will, that you're talking about.

00:59:41It would align more with what we've seen for these guys in the last couple years where

00:59:45they teeter out, and it's like, man, I was really expecting more from Brees Hall this

00:59:49year.

00:59:49Man, I was really expecting more from Garrett and from this offense, and it just faltered

00:59:54and it didn't go well.

00:59:56Now, a lot of this, again, Will, goes back to what we all talked about at the beginning

00:59:59of this, quarterback.

01:00:01If Geno doesn't have a good year, the Jets offense is not going to have a good year unless

01:00:05K Clubnick somehow turns into, like you said, this magical backup quarterback that's one

01:00:10of the best backup quarterbacks in the NFL.

01:00:11Like, I don't expect that, but it's all tied to Geno and how he performs this year.

01:00:16Well, let me say this, guys.

01:00:18Just really quick.

01:00:19The one thing, the reason why I'm struggling to get to seven, eight, nine.

01:00:25Seven or eight wins?

01:00:26Seven or eight wins.

01:00:27Yeah.

01:00:27The reason why I'm struggling there is not because of the roster.

01:00:30I actually think the roster's pretty damn good.

01:00:32I agree.

01:00:33The issue for me becomes the head coach, and is this offensive coordinator, Frank Reich,

01:00:39going to be forward-thinking enough or have a new age kind of mind enough to be able to

01:00:44do some new age things on offense with these weapons?

01:00:47I don't know.

01:00:48And I think if we're trying to sell ourselves that he is going to be able to do those things

01:00:52because that's how you're going to use Kenyon Sadiq.

01:00:54If you try to use Kenyon Sadiq in a traditional, even in traditional 12, he's not going to give

01:00:59you much value there.

01:01:00You got to use him in other ways.

01:01:02You got to have him in motion.

01:01:03You got to get him on jet stuff.

01:01:04You got to get him doing those streak patterns that he does from within the seam.

01:01:08Like, he's got to do those things or else you're not going to get much out of him.

01:01:12And defenses aren't going to be honest towards that athleticism that he has.

01:01:16That's the thing with Frank Reich that I'm not going to be able to come out on a limb

01:01:20and say, yeah, let's go to eight or nine.

01:01:21But if he shows me those things, I love the talent.

01:01:24And I think, guys, like we're setting ourselves up for a really good future with this team.

01:01:28I do really like the roster.

01:01:30I do.

01:01:30I think Olu's underrated, to be honest.

01:01:33I really like Olu.

01:01:34You know why Olu's underrated?

01:01:35To go back to Olu.

01:01:36Because we never, when a game's over, we're never on the postgame and we don't talk about it.

01:01:40We're never bitching like, holy crap.

01:01:43Look at that holding call.

01:01:43Yeah, never.

01:01:44For maybe one time, I had some, you know, a bad Olu, you know, reaction.

01:01:49They all struggled, though.

01:01:50They all struggled against the Bucs in the Broncos.

01:01:52They all did.

01:01:53They got the eight or nine guys in the corner.

01:01:55They were blitzing the hell.

01:01:56Yeah.

01:01:56Dead in the water.

01:01:56Yeah, totally.

01:01:57When you're dead at quarterback, teams know how to attack you, especially.

01:02:01And like, Brees can't get anything going in the run game.

01:02:03Yeah, what do you think's going to happen?

01:02:04It's a one-dimensional offense you're attacking.

01:02:08First of all, not that the roster was like.

01:02:10Roster at the end of the year last year was hysterical.

01:02:12So, yes.

01:02:13The game for a tie rod played and just like played the full 60 minutes.

01:02:17They played well for their standard.

01:02:19They put up P-plus on Atlanta.

01:02:21Yeah.

01:02:21And again, I know people hate the Atlanta game, but like it was cool that like AD was a huge

01:02:25part of that.

01:02:26And like some of these young guys were a part of that win and whatever.

01:02:29And even like the Bucs game, they still put up 20-plus points on the road.

01:02:32And I know it was a little fugazi the way it kind of all happened.

01:02:35But like at least with Tyrod, it felt like a professional outfit.

01:02:38Even the Baltimore game, like if Brees doesn't fumble there, I don't know what happens to

01:02:41that game, right?

01:02:41Like Baltimore wasn't very good last year.

01:02:45Even Malachi Moore will.

01:02:47Malachi Moore had over – he didn't have a great – but he had over 100 tackles last

01:02:50year.

01:02:50That's a lot for a rookie like safety to have.

01:02:53So we're like brushing people off that are pretty good, like honestly, like have talent.

01:02:57They've upgraded a lot in secondary from a coaching perspective.

01:03:01Totally.

01:03:02I'll just say that.

01:03:02Yeah.

01:03:02Oh, yeah.

01:03:05It would just – even like I feel like in a way like I – many people kind of got

01:03:09duped

01:03:09by 24 where, hey, man, like I don't think Rodgers is very good, right?

01:03:14I went back and at the time I was emotionally invested in it and I was like I wanted it

01:03:18to

01:03:18happen so badly and it just – it wasn't happening.

01:03:21And he choked literally every time he possibly could have.

01:03:24But then defense choked a lot.

01:03:25The defense choked so much, right?

01:03:27And it was like we overrated.

01:03:29And I think the Jets staff last year even overrated like just how good or not good that

01:03:34team was.

01:03:34And it turns out some of those players maybe weren't the same guys we thought they were,

01:03:37right?

01:03:37Yeah.

01:03:37Quincey looked like not only did he lost a stab and Jermaine was not – Jermaine has less

01:03:42career sacks than Quentin Coppels.

01:03:43Like he was a little bit more –

01:03:46Oh, he's been taking – I've heard you a few – he's taking shots at Jermaine now.

01:03:50So, Will, you've been –

01:03:52A little bit of bark and bite there.

01:03:54I like it.

01:03:54Let's go.

01:03:55Let's take some shots.

01:03:56You can't come into camp last year and say you're a Ferrari that's going to run people's

01:04:00face and then have like one sack.

01:04:02It's just that doesn't work.

01:04:03I agree 100%.

01:04:04And all drugs aside, in a sense like I just want to know – well, no, I need to know

01:04:09four things leaving this season.

01:04:11Do you have the right coach?

01:04:13Do you have the right offensive coordinator?

01:04:15Is their roster, especially the young core guys that are sub-27, I'll call it – I'll

01:04:20say 28 because like offensive linemen can be a little bit – you know, defensive linemen

01:04:24can age fine.

01:04:26Is the young core good?

01:04:27Is the coach worth it?

01:04:29Is the offensive coordinator good?

01:04:31And – sorry, five things.

01:04:32What does Mujie do at the deadline?

01:04:34Does he make some more trades?

01:04:35Does he continue to like build this roster?

01:04:37Does he maybe get creative within another addition in camp?

01:04:39Something like he did a good job of last year and is Gino – you're going to draft

01:04:44someone no matter what, but is Gino a guy that can be a two-year option here that he's

01:04:48good enough to hear where you can actually sit a young quarterback and actually develop

01:04:52in the right way with a real roster and you can like win games while simultaneously.

01:04:57Guys, look at all the really good organizations.

01:05:00Philly had their roster built.

01:05:02They had the quarterback.

01:05:03The Raiders are trying to do that now.

01:05:04They're good staff.

01:05:05Raiders, right?

01:05:06But, you know, Ravens trade up for Lamar.

01:05:08They're trying to do that now.

01:05:10The Chiefs trade up for Mahomes.

01:05:12The Chiefs trade up multiple times.

01:05:13The Bills trade up for Allen.

01:05:14All these guys like had it figured out and then they drafted the quarterback.

01:05:19It's very rare we see like total teardown, add the quarterback, and then just hope and

01:05:24pray.

01:05:24It hasn't worked for the Jets.

01:05:26Like Sanchez, the Jets trade up for him, right?

01:05:27Because the roster was in a good place and you actually had a good environment for them

01:05:30to come into.

01:05:31Pennington in 2000, you know, what, 2000?

01:05:34Like, again, was able to sit, but the roster was in a good spot.

01:05:36Like, it just feels like the right way, Pat Ford, is like, hope that these players play

01:05:41really well.

01:05:42You feel good about the roster.

01:05:43You have 200 million in cap space.

01:05:46All these draft picks, all this flexibility.

01:05:48It's a big market.

01:05:49There's a buzz about New York right now.

01:05:51You want to kind of capitalize on that and you just don't want to, do not start 0-2, 0

01:05:56-3

01:05:56and get, you know, steamrolled.

01:05:58And you can't, you can't kind of put a knife in the fan base's chest early on.

01:06:03Like, this does feel like a team that if they start off 2-2 or 4-4, even 3-5,

01:06:11where it's

01:06:11like, you're like excited to go watch them because Garrett's, you know, playing well

01:06:15and Sadiq's got three touchdowns in three weeks and you're like, hey man, David Bailey's

01:06:18got four sacks over the first five games and you're like, in a big forced fumble against

01:06:22Cam Ward in week one and you're like, oh, all right, dude.

01:06:24Now we're kind of like, we're excited to watch on Sundays.

01:06:27Don't, it cannot be 21-6, you lose week one, you lose 30-13 week two, Gino's old, everyone's

01:06:34lifeless.

01:06:34Like, that cannot happen.

01:06:35Those are such jet scores, too.

01:06:36That cannot happen.

01:06:37I know.

01:06:38Will just laid out that second part and I'm like, sounds more realistic to be honest with you

01:06:43right now.

01:06:44I think I'll go through the Yankees entire June if you want.

01:06:47I'm pretty sure I'll be entirely accurate.

01:06:48Schedule it 19-11, the loose 18-16.

01:06:52Will, we got a big weekend coming up against the A's and then the Guardians next week, man.

01:06:55It's going to be...

01:06:56I, uh, man, I, it didn't seem like they're starting to get back to, get back to it.

01:07:02I will say, like, that was the worst stretch of baseball judges played probably since he

01:07:06was like 15 years old.

01:07:08He was like making the mental errors, too.

01:07:10I do wonder, a lot of these guys in the WBC, I was a huge proponent of the WBC,

01:07:13WBC is not, I'm not making excuses for them, but even our guy Vinny P and a lot of these

01:07:17other players, like, just so much emotion so early on.

01:07:21It's like you hit the gas pedal out of a car that hasn't been started and a lot of these

01:07:25guys feel like mentally drained and now they're kind of starting to round back into form and,

01:07:29like, get into it.

01:07:30It just feels like either guys got hot and have gotten hurt now or...

01:07:34They need some second wind, almost.

01:07:36WBC could be all-star weekend and I don't care.

01:07:38It should be a, you know, a one-week tournament or an all-star weekend and make the season a

01:07:42week

01:07:42shorter and a week longer on either side.

01:07:44But that's neither here nor there.

01:07:45But no, I don't want to be overly optimistic until we see it on paper.

01:07:49The Jets are going to have to win games to prove anybody right or wrong.

01:07:53But I think there's at least reason to be excited more about this team than even probably...

01:07:57Oh, yeah.

01:07:58We're honest with ourselves.

01:07:59Like, the only reason we were excited about 2024 was because of the hope of the year before.

01:08:05But, like, in a lot of reality, they should have...

01:08:08They just were not good.

01:08:10They just were not a good team.

01:08:1125, like, I probably convinced myself because that's what you do.

01:08:15And I was like, oh, hey, can they be like that Ewing Theory Mets in 25 or 24 where, like,

01:08:212023 Mets were supposed to be good and then they got rid of a lot of guys and they actually

01:08:25were good with a lot less talent.

01:08:26And he bought into, like, hey, the field story is cool.

01:08:29He said a lot of really positive things and he looked good week one.

01:08:32And then he was terrible and it kind of all fell apart.

01:08:34So, let's just hope we can get, again, a week one win against Salah just to, like,

01:08:41to not have to listen to it a week straight.

01:08:42Set the tone, man.

01:08:43Do we understand, though, with Justin Fields, I'll say this, and you knew I wasn't a proponent

01:08:47of him, but if you had an offensive-minded guy running the show, forget the OC.

01:08:52You had a coach that knew what he was doing.

01:08:55Salah and Fields were never going to work.

01:08:57Salah and Fields was never a combination.

01:09:00Oh, Glenn and Fields.

01:09:00I mean, Glenn and Fields.

01:09:01Excuse me, Glenn and Fields was never going to work.

01:09:03And even with Salah and Rodgers was never going to be a thing.

01:09:07That's who Glenn and Mouji picked.

01:09:10Glenn was convinced that he could take Justin Fields from facing him in Detroit and saying,

01:09:15I think we can make something out of this.

01:09:17I think Eagle got a little bit in the way there.

01:09:19And I think Will would agree, Darren Mouji is the one that's like, hey, man, let's get

01:09:23a real quarterback in this room.

01:09:25I think he's working with Frank Reich.

01:09:26I think they're calling the shots here a little bit more on the offensive side of the ball.

01:09:29Yeah, I think, like, my only thing I'll say on that, and then I'll let you guys go,

01:09:33is, like, I would say, I think Glenn is a lot, and again, I don't know if this is going

01:09:39to matter, but, like, it's almost, like, kind of funny in some senses.

01:09:42We did a whole, Joan Conner did a whole episode on Parcells being much better with coaching

01:09:45than he actually was in Parcells.

01:09:46It's almost like, maybe it might be the opposite.

01:09:49Like, maybe Glenn's got a good eye for talent and is not as good of a coach because it's

01:09:53like, some of these picks, you're like, hey, like, he was in Detroit because he'd been

01:09:57like, hey, we took Sewell year one, they took Membu year one, year two, he took Bailey two

01:10:01overall, Lyons took Hutchinson two overall, then they took a playmaker that was unconventional

01:10:06and this whole thing, and they took a, you know, DB that people didn't, you know, weren't

01:10:09sure about and Brian Branch early.

01:10:10It's like, that's obviously the optimistic view, but, like, I'm hoping that Glenn can

01:10:17just, like, call the defense and kind of, like, let Frank do his thing, and you hope

01:10:20Seth Ryan's a much more, he's a Ben Johnson guy, right?

01:10:24Like, that's his thing, that he's built as, like, he's a creative mind that helped Ben

01:10:28Johnson a lot of the trick plays, and I'm not saying he's going to be Ben Johnson, but

01:10:32you got to take a shot at some of these young guys, man.

01:10:34Like, the thing the Jets have not done a good job of overall is, like, the staff always

01:10:38feels like it's one or the other.

01:10:40It's always this super veteran staff or this, like, really young staff that has no

01:10:43club.

01:10:44Yeah, inexperienced.

01:10:44This is the first time, and again, Glenn's obviously a major question mark, but at least

01:10:49the offensive staff feels like you got some young blood in there with Hayden and Seth

01:10:54Ryan and some of these other guys, and you got the veteran guy in Reich and, you know,

01:10:58in, oh my God, I'm blanking, Musgrave.

01:10:59And then on defense, it's, like, the younger guys and Slowick and Duker, and then you got

01:11:04Dunbar and Glenn, who are, like, you know, lifers.

01:11:07Ryan Duker, shout out.

01:11:08He loves Duker.

01:11:09Ryan's a big Duker fan.

01:11:11Well, I like Duker.

01:11:14Have you just told me that they hired Ryan Duker?

01:11:16I don't mind him.

01:11:17And you didn't know the whole cluster F that it went through it?

01:11:20Oh, yeah.

01:11:21You'd be like, okay, I get it.

01:11:22Yeah.

01:11:22It's just the fact that how we got there, it just made the hires so confusing.

01:11:26So confusing.

01:11:27Like, they didn't meet him in person.

01:11:28They hired him over Zoom.

01:11:30Don't.

01:11:31We got beers four years ago.

01:11:35Will, thank you, as always, for hopping on here, man.

01:11:38Appreciate the opinion and the advice.

01:11:40We're looking forward to your coverage over on Badlands and turn on the Jets.

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01:11:47And, Will, we'll catch up to you soon.

01:11:49The 2026 season is here, man.

01:11:50OTA just started, and I know we're all excited to start seeing some Jets football on the field, man.

01:11:54Hell yeah, baby.

01:11:55Hell yeah.

01:11:56Are we chest bumping on July 11th, by the way?

01:11:59You ready for this?

01:12:01We're like DDTing Jake into the pool.

01:12:04Yeah.

01:12:04Oh, that's done.

01:12:05That's done.

01:12:06I'll get him on the shoulders.

01:12:07We're done.

01:12:08We're a noodle fight between Boy Green and John.

01:12:13Thanks, Will.

01:12:15Appreciate it, Will.

01:12:15We're done.

01:12:16We're done.

01:12:17We're done.

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