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00:00I went to a source this week who I thought would know, and I said, is this number right?
00:05And they said, it's more.
00:08So it's higher than I even thought.
00:10And so I wrote it this week.
00:14It's in the double digits of millions of dollars per year.
00:18It's more than they've ever paid a Jets coach.
00:21He has a huge, huge, huge commitment to Aaron Glenn that it's hard for me to envision him bouncing him after a year and paying that contract for four years.
00:33He's a five-year contract, four more years of that contract.
00:36I just can't see that happening.
00:39Hello, and welcome to Gangs All Here.
00:41My name is Ryan Sampson.
00:42That's our Jets beat writer, Brian Costell, and that's my guy, Frankie Viteriti from U Stadium.
00:46Today is Friday, October 24th, week eight for the New York Jets, who are 0-7 to face the Cincinnati Bengals in Cincinnati, face an old friend in Joe Flacco.
00:55We'll talk about that matchup a little bit, but really what we're going to break down is the mystery at quarterback that no one has any idea who's starting at quarterback for the New York Jets.
01:03Maybe Aaron Glenn doesn't even know who's starting at quarterback this week.
01:06We'll break that down.
01:07We'll discuss Woody Johnson's comments with Kaz and get his takeaways from that, but it's going to be a nice jam-packed episode of Gangs All Here.
01:14But before we get to any of that, I'll start with Kaz.
01:17How are you doing today on a Friday?
01:19Has it gotten tired and old yet covering this Jets team this season?
01:24No, they're still interesting, Ryan, somehow.
01:28They've still been interesting.
01:29Obviously, the owner made it interesting this week.
01:31And, you know, it's going to be if they get a win, I actually think they become a lot less interesting.
01:39This is from a beat writer perspective and from – it's like, okay, they're just another bad team.
01:45As long as they have that zero by their name, I think they're an interesting team.
01:50Frankie, are you feeling the same way Kaz is about if they get the win, they're less interesting?
01:55Yeah, I agree with that.
01:56I told you guys last week, this has been a great season.
01:59I'm having a blast.
02:00Every week, there's something to talk about.
02:02I feel like we're making headlines as a team.
02:05I mean, it's – listen, the season, from a team perspective, guys, it's been disappointing.
02:14But what can you say?
02:16I mean, it's Aaron Glenn's first year, and it'll have probably another year, right?
02:21So it takes time.
02:25We have to be a little patient.
02:26Seriously, we actually do.
02:28Like, there comes a time and a place, I get we're 0-7, I get everyone's all up in arms.
02:33I am, obviously, fans are – we got to relax.
02:39We need to take a chill pill.
02:40What did Aaron Rodgers say?
02:42You know, relax.
02:44Everyone relax.
02:45Go take a vacation.
02:47Take a vacation from watching this football team.
02:50Yeah.
02:51That's really what it needs to be right now.
02:53Look, I agree with you, Frankie, and we'll get into it in Gang Sounds Off about the quotes and sound from Woody Johnson this past week about the team.
03:03But I do want to start, fellas, about the quarterback situation.
03:07Kaz, you know, look, I don't understand the game Aaron Glenn is playing right now by not stating who his quarterback is.
03:15It's really not an advantage.
03:17Which, the Bengals, really, I don't think they care who's that quarterback because they know it's not going to be pretty for the Jets, especially if Garrett Wilson is going to be out this week, which all looks of it, he's going to be.
03:29So, one, who is the starting quarterback in your sense this week?
03:33And two, why is Aaron Glenn playing this game right now?
03:37Yeah, I'd be shocked if it wasn't Tyrod Taylor, Ryan.
03:40Like, shocked, shocked.
03:42Like, the most shocked I've ever been.
03:44Probably shocked.
03:44Like, you start with how Justin Fields has played and what we've seen, particularly the last two weeks.
03:53So, from a logical football decision, it's like, okay, we've got to try something else here, whatever, you know.
03:59And so, you go Tyrod there, and then you go to what Woody Johnson said on Tuesday, which he buried Justin Fields.
04:08And how do you then go, okay, Justin, you're starting again Sunday.
04:12Like, that's a tough move.
04:13So, I think Aaron Glenn, I think Woody's comments may have played a role in this, like, subterfuge.
04:19I don't think Aaron Glenn wanted to come out Wednesday and go, Tyrod's the starter and make it look like Woody made the decision.
04:27I think that might have been it.
04:28So, that's the only thing I can come up with because, you know, this might work if you had two, like, really different style quarterbacks, like, that they had to prepare for.
04:39But the Jets have said, like, one of the things they love about Tyrod is he and Fields are similar players in terms of style.
04:45Like, we heard that before Tampa.
04:46I was like, oh, we don't have to change the offense because they both are mobile quarterbacks, and they both do have similar skill sets.
04:53So, you know, Al Golden, I don't think, is losing sleep this week in Cincinnati over whether it's Tyrod or Fields.
04:58So, it's a little, I mean, some people are chuckling about it around the league.
05:04Like, I got some texts of just, like, I think it just kind of makes Aaron Glenn look like a rookie coach again because it's just, like, what are you doing?
05:13But, look, if they win Sunday, he'll look like a genius.
05:17Well, look, I'll react quickly to that.
05:20It doesn't look great, to be honest with you, and it kind of makes this team, again, look like a mockery.
05:26They already are a mockery of the league, being 0-7.
05:30This doesn't add anything in terms of, hey, we're being really, you know, secretive about who our quarterback's going to be.
05:37All I know is watching this team and watching the film and seeing the stats, you got two quarterbacks here in Fields and Tyrod that just love to hold the ball, that don't take chances when they should.
05:48And, really, ultimately, this passing game isn't going to go anywhere this weekend, even against a bad Bengals defense,
05:54because you're missing your number one wide receiver in Garrett Wilson, and you didn't address the wide receiver position in the offseason.
06:00Frankie, your thoughts about how the Jets are handling the quarterback situation this week?
06:05I mean, when's the last time, Kaz, I think this, we could start trivia a little early.
06:10When's the last time the Jets didn't announce who the starting quarterback was?
06:15I was telling Ryan, I'm like, we can't do the over-unders because we don't know who the quarterback is.
06:18Am I crazy?
06:20I can't remember any time when they've done this.
06:23Was this two years ago with Salah, with Simeon, and...
06:27No, he announced it.
06:28He did?
06:28Sometimes, you know, a lot of times they'll wait until Wednesday, which is fine.
06:33But, like, because Wednesday's the first practice, so they usually announce...
06:36Because, like, what interests me more in all this is, like, how they actually are handling practice.
06:43Yeah.
06:44Because I get the sense they're not, like, there isn't a number one quarterback right now.
06:49Like, they are splitting reps and stuff.
06:50Interesting.
06:50And, like, he's trying to really carry this out.
06:53So...
06:54Why go splitting quarterback reps?
06:56Because, right, if Tyrod Taylor...
06:59The competition, right?
06:59This is how this works, right?
07:00This is how the sausage is made.
07:02Like, if Tyrod Taylor came out and got all the reps on Wednesday, right?
07:07Wednesday, Thursday.
07:09Player X, who plays for the Jets, tells his agent, Tyrod's starting.
07:14Tyrod...
07:15Then that agent calls me, pick your beat writer, whoever they want.
07:19Says, hey, yeah, Tyrod's the starter.
07:20And we report.
07:21Sources say Tyrod Taylor is the starter.
07:23I know a lot of times fans think the Jets leak stuff, right?
07:27The Jets don't leak stuff.
07:28You know, a lot of times it comes.
07:31It's third hand from an agent or something like that.
07:34So, that's...
07:34So, if he did that, if he just had one guy taking the reps,
07:37we would know who the starting quarterback is right now.
07:39I'm pretty sure.
07:40So, I think he actually has been playing this out of, like,
07:42they're both getting reps.
07:44And, you know, much of the team even knows
07:46who's going to start a quarterback on Sunday.
07:48I'm not positive on that,
07:49but that's kind of the sense I've gotten this week.
07:51You think Aaron Glenn hasn't even told the team who he plans to start a quarterback?
07:54No, I don't think he has.
07:55I mean, maybe his coaches.
07:56But I don't think the players know.
07:58Do you think that's a little ridiculous?
08:01Yeah, I do.
08:02I mean, and I could be wrong.
08:04I could be wrong.
08:04Maybe they know and they're dead.
08:06But, like, it's kind of hard to keep secrets in the NFL.
08:10Again, not that, like, these players are calling me and telling me,
08:13but if they tell their agent or, you know, they tell someone
08:18and they tell a former teammate or a former coach or something,
08:21you usually get back to somebody in the media.
08:24Right.
08:24That's how this works.
08:25A lot of times those quarterback things will come out as soon as the coach
08:31tells the team meeting, someone in the team meeting,
08:35text somebody who texts somebody, and then it comes out.
08:38So, yeah, I'm not sure.
08:39I'm curious about that, how he's handling that.
08:41Kaz, Glenn said that he knows who the starter's going to be, though, right?
08:46Yeah, he knows.
08:46He knows.
08:47Yeah.
08:47I'm just – and I'm imagining Tanner Einstein knows.
08:50Nobody knows.
08:51I'm imagining the coaches know.
08:51I don't know if the players know, Frankie.
08:53Okay, but he's putting it out there where they're splitting reps
08:57that nobody really can tell.
08:59So, he didn't – he did not say that.
09:01Justin said that, and I believe Tyrod said that, too.
09:05They're splitting reps.
09:06Now, there's a little bit of a technicality here where Tyrod has a knee injury,
09:11so he was limited.
09:13Yeah.
09:13So, like, is that – does that mean Justin Fields is getting three –
09:16like, you know, if you're missing, like, one rep, you're limited.
09:20Yeah, right?
09:21So, like, is Tyrod sitting for one period because of his knee
09:25and Justin's getting those reps?
09:27I don't know.
09:28I don't know the answer to that question.
09:29When do you think we'll know?
09:32Sunday morning.
09:33I imagine somebody will tell somebody Sunday morning.
09:39And then it'll leak out a little bit.
09:41It'll be on one of the morning shows or something.
09:43Or, you know, if they keep it secret past that,
09:45then we'll know when they line up for warm-ups.
09:48Okay.
09:48Unless he puts two quarterbacks out there in warm-ups
09:51and, like, really carries this out.
09:54Imagine he comes out with two quarterbacks.
09:56Who's going to take the first snap, everyone?
09:59That would be actually cool.
10:00Line up with two quarterbacks.
10:02Why not?
10:02Well, the wise-ass in me –
10:04yeah, I'm sure you guys saw the exchange Wednesday
10:07where he said, we'll have a quarterback, right?
10:09That was the answer.
10:10That was your question.
10:12The wise-ass in me wanted to say,
10:13oh, so you're trying something new this week.
10:15Would have been a good one, Kaz.
10:20Yeah, you know, I've already gotten enough attention
10:25from my press conferences.
10:26I don't need any more.
10:28You know what?
10:290-7, keep going at him.
10:32Keep going at him because he deserves it,
10:34and I think he brings it on himself at this point.
10:36You know, look, I know Frankie was talking about patience before.
10:39We'll get into his job status later on,
10:41but this quarterback situation really just isn't –
10:44it's not a storyline that needs to be there, in my opinion,
10:46and I think there is no feelings lost
10:49if you went in and said, Tyrod's the starter.
10:52There's no harm here.
10:53The Bengals are going to prepare the same way.
10:55Again, quarterbacks that hold the ball too long,
10:57we can get sacks and pressure on them.
10:59We can force them to make bad throws and interceptions.
11:01They're not going to take shots downfield
11:03because they don't have legitimate weapons
11:04if Garrett Wilson's out.
11:06This offense is not scary, fellas.
11:08That's the reality of this situation,
11:10and by Aaron Glenn choosing not to name the quarterback here,
11:14all this really is is him making a mockery, I think,
11:17of this Jets team, and I think maybe I'm being too dramatic,
11:20but I just – I take offense to that.
11:22It's like you're not fooling anyone here,
11:24and it's really – it's pathetic at this point.
11:27I think that's strong, Ryan.
11:29It is, but it's the truth, though.
11:30That's what he does.
11:31It's what he does here.
11:33Yeah, I mean, he's trying something.
11:35I think it's silly.
11:36I don't really think it's like, you know,
11:39in the end of the day, I don't think it's going to make a difference,
11:42but I also don't think it's like hurting them terribly either.
11:47Yeah.
11:48Fellas, I want to switch here because, look,
11:50there's been this narrative of should the Jets go 0-17
11:53to secure that top pick?
11:56They're 0-7.
11:58They're staring at 0-8 in the face because the Bengals' offense is legit.
12:01We'll get into that preview again in a little bit,
12:03but I do want to play a little bit of win-loss with you, fellas,
12:05because I'm terrible at this,
12:06and I want to hear your guys' opinions on this.
12:09The schedule is not as easy as everyone thinks.
12:11Everyone's looking at the Jets and circling them as a win right now
12:14because of the way they're playing.
12:16So I do want to play win-loss with you going through the schedule
12:20and if you guys actually have them at 0-17 the rest of the year.
12:24So I'll start with the Bengals game.
12:26Is it a win or a loss this week?
12:28I know it's early predictions here, but I want to know,
12:31is it a win or a loss for both of you?
12:33Kaz, you want to go?
12:34Or you want me to go?
12:36Go ahead, Frankie.
12:38It's another loss.
12:40They're not going 0-17.
12:42Okay.
12:42I don't think we're going 0-17.
12:44It's hard to go 0-17, man.
12:47It's not easy, and this team's got enough talent
12:49where I don't think they're going to go 0-17.
12:52But I think it's another loss.
12:53I think those two receivers out there,
12:55we still don't know Sauce's status, right, Kaz?
12:58Sauce isn't playing, Frankie.
13:00I mean, they haven't declared that, but there's like five steps
13:03of the concussion for him, and I haven't seen him outside.
13:07The last step is there's two steps where you have to practice non-contact
13:10and you have to fully practice.
13:12There's only one practice left, so he's not going to be cleared by Sunday.
13:15True.
13:16Yeah, yeah, for sure.
13:17Yeah, Raya and Kaz, I don't think they're going to be able to guard
13:22those two guys on the outside.
13:24And if Wilkes wants to keep playing man, he loves playing man.
13:27He's kind of played a little bit more zone, which I kind of liked
13:30the last couple weeks, but we're not going to win on Sunday.
13:35I don't know what you guys are going to pick, but I'm not picking them to win.
13:38But I also don't think they're going to go 0-17.
13:40Okay.
13:41I think this is a two, three-win team, guys.
13:43Let's see if you wind it up with two or three wins after you go through the schedule.
13:46Kaz, you got the Bengals win or loss?
13:49Win.
13:50You got them beating the Bengals.
13:51Oh, okay.
13:52I do.
13:53Kaz did pick them to beat the Panthers and the Broncos.
13:56I think he's trying to find that win for the Jets right now for everyone.
13:59Well, that 0-0, I'm picking them.
14:00Yeah, okay.
14:01So, I got them losing to the Bengals, all right?
14:03So, then they got the bye week.
14:05Ryan doesn't have them winning a game, Kaz.
14:06Yeah, I know.
14:08We flipped roles here.
14:10You guys did.
14:11Then they got the bye week.
14:12That's a loss.
14:14Because I'm sure they'll win, Ryan.
14:17No, they're probably going to trade players at that point.
14:19Can't wait to see what happens then.
14:21Okay, here we go.
14:22Week 10 against the Browns.
14:26Frankie.
14:27You know what?
14:28That's a win for me.
14:30First win of the year.
14:31There you go.
14:32Win.
14:33That's a loss.
14:35Week 11 at the Patriots, Thursday Night Football.
14:39That's a loss.
14:40Frankie, loss.
14:41Okay.
14:42At the Ravens.
14:44That's a loss.
14:46Frankie?
14:47Yep, loss.
14:49Okay.
14:49Week 13, home against the Falcons.
14:53That's a win.
14:54Yeah, Fulberg comes back to town.
14:57That's a good one.
14:58That's a good one.
15:00Ulberg's going to be out for blood.
15:03But panics.
15:04I'm going to give him a win there, Ryan.
15:06Both of you guys have them at three wins at this point.
15:08Fascinating.
15:09Frankie has two.
15:10Frankie has two.
15:11Okay.
15:12Home against...
15:12Mind you, I have losses for all these guys.
15:14We know what you're doing.
15:15Home against the Dolphins, week 14.
15:19This is the one Ryan has to go first on.
15:22Week 14, they get their first win of the season against the Dolphins.
15:26Oh, confetti.
15:28Yeah, I agree.
15:29Win.
15:30I have a loss there.
15:31He can't coach against McDaniel, assuming he's still going to be there.
15:34But week 15 at Jacksonville.
15:38Loss.
15:39Yep.
15:40Week 16 at the Saints.
15:43Not an easy place in the Superdome, no matter who the team is.
15:46I have a loss there.
15:49I'll go loss because I'm getting them some wins here.
15:51Week 17, home against the Patriots.
15:55L.
15:56Here's my shocking win.
15:59Beat the Patriots at home.
16:00Guys, you got number five wins here.
16:02What are we doing?
16:02There you go, right?
16:04He's a four, no?
16:05Four?
16:06No, five.
16:06I'm with five.
16:07He's at five wins right now because he's got them beating the Bengals this week.
16:10And then week 18, they're playing the Bills, who, mind you, are fighting with the Patriots
16:15now for the division.
16:16Loss.
16:17Yep.
16:18Okay.
16:18So, Frankie, you have them with four wins.
16:20No, I'm with two.
16:21Two and 15.
16:22No, no, no.
16:23You have.
16:24Oh, you're trying to have them.
16:24Frankie did the Dolphins.
16:26Yeah.
16:26You had the Browns, the Dolphins.
16:28No.
16:29I had the Browns and the Falcons.
16:31That's it.
16:32And the Dolphins.
16:33No, you did the Dolphins.
16:33No, he didn't pick the Dolphins.
16:34So, Frankie's got them at two and 15.
16:36Kaz has them as a five and 12.
16:38Five and 12.
16:40Here we go.
16:41I have them at officially one and 16 this year for the Jets.
16:46One and 16.
16:47You can convince me two and 14 if they can beat the Saints.
16:50But that's about it.
16:51Their only win is the Dolphins.
16:53Let me defend my stance here a little bit.
16:57Right?
16:57Because I think the last two games, if they had any semblance of an offense, would they
17:04have won those two games?
17:07You're talking about like two.
17:09Definitely won.
17:09The Panthers, Panthers, and Broncos.
17:11Would they have won those games if they had any?
17:13I think they would have beaten the Panthers.
17:14Yes.
17:16They lost to the Broncos by two when they were at the 50-yard line with a chance to kick
17:20the game-winning field goal.
17:21Yep.
17:21Like, I think they win those two games if they had any semblance of offense.
17:24Now, I don't think the defense can play like that all season.
17:28But I do think Tyrod can operate a functional offense.
17:32I don't think he's going to be great.
17:34But I do think he can operate a functional offense.
17:37I think they can win some games with Tyrod.
17:40That's what I'm banking on.
17:42If he stays healthy.
17:43He stays healthy.
17:44And I do think Fields could benefit from some time on the bench, clear his head.
17:49Like, he's messed up right now mentally.
17:51Right?
17:51Like, he just looks confident shot.
17:53Maybe he gets away from it.
17:55If he has to come back in three or four weeks, he's in a better place.
18:00Bottom line.
18:01The Steelers game happens.
18:02The Steelers game happens.
18:03He does have that in him.
18:04It does.
18:05He does.
18:06It happens.
18:06I watched it with my own eyes.
18:08Yeah, but he's never been able ever in his career to recreate on a consistent basis.
18:12Consistently.
18:12I know.
18:13But can he do that twice the rest of the season if he has to play?
18:17Can he do that against the Miami Dolphins?
18:19Okay, so this brings me to the point that I'm ultimately trying to make, fellas.
18:24If they're 0-13, 0-12, going against the Dolphins, don't you kind of want to lose that game at that point?
18:34You have to play the tank game.
18:36You can't be playing for, we need moral victories at the end of the year.
18:40I saw what the New York Giants did a couple of years ago, missing out on Jaden Daniels by getting a BS win against the Colts.
18:46I know they have Jackson Dart, and they're hoping he's the real thing, but Jaden Daniels went to the NFC Championship game last year.
18:52Like, you can't miss the opportunity to have the top pick at this point.
18:56I know what everyone's going to say.
18:58It's too early.
18:58You can't be thinking about that, but that's BS.
19:00I've seen you guys and everyone else tweet out the tank-a-thon tweets.
19:04They are officially in tank-a-thon mode.
19:06Like, that is where the Jets team is at, it feels like.
19:08Where was Jaden Daniels picked?
19:11He's picked three.
19:12Two.
19:13Two.
19:13Sorry, two.
19:15Who's the last number one pick that's really worked out?
19:20Maybe Trevor Lawrence, but he hasn't worked out.
19:22No, he hasn't worked out.
19:23Come on.
19:23Trevor Lawrence hasn't been close to it.
19:24He's one of the highest pickers in the NFL.
19:26He's suitable, but yeah.
19:28I'll give you Joe Burrow.
19:29Yeah, yeah.
19:30And even he has not stayed healthy, so it hasn't even been to the Duke.
19:33But he got the new Super Bowl, so I'll give you Joe Burrow.
19:35Yeah.
19:35But, like, go through Bryce Young.
19:39Caleb Williams is a little, you know.
19:41TBD.
19:41A little early.
19:42It's a little early, but Bryce Young.
19:45Trevor Lawrence got one of the highest contracts ever.
19:48I know it hasn't been great, but, like, he's been to a playoff game.
19:51But you don't care about what he's getting paid if you're a fan, Ryan.
19:54Has he gotten them to the Super Bowl?
19:55No.
19:56Has he gotten them to the Super Bowl?
19:57And Trevor Lawrence was considered Peyton Manning, John Elway.
20:01He was.
20:01Correct.
20:02So, that is a different – and so, like, Baker didn't work out.
20:06Jared Goff didn't work out for the Rams.
20:08He got them to the Super Bowl, but didn't fully work out.
20:10So, like –
20:10Winston.
20:11The number one pick.
20:12Yeah.
20:12My point, Ryan, is just having the number one pick, I get it.
20:15It increases your odds.
20:16But, like, it doesn't mean you're – like, okay, you're in the Super Bowl in three years
20:20if you have the number one pick.
20:21So, this team is far from the Super Bowl.
20:24You just got to get the pick right.
20:25You know, like, I think that's the – like, it looks like Drake May looks like a good pick
20:31right now, and he was third.
20:32So, like, I don't think the Jets are going to be picking 12th.
20:37They're going to be picking in the top five.
20:39Five wins, though, not going to be in the pick in the top five.
20:42Ryan, I'll say this.
20:43It'd be close, right?
20:43Yeah, they had five wins last year.
20:44There were seven.
20:45Yeah.
20:45So, they'd be in that area.
20:47I'll say this regarding the number one pick.
20:48Like, I think when it's all said and done, I think the kid out of Oregon, Dante Moore,
20:54I think he'll be the number one pick.
20:55He's so talented.
20:56I think as the process plays out, he'll be the number one guy.
20:59And I think we could settle on Mendoza, which would fit here.
21:03But we don't really know yet.
21:05But to Kaz's point, there really isn't a guy.
21:08And even if there was a guy, I mean, like, you got to identify someone if you're picking
21:13second, third, fourth.
21:14We just have to hope the teams that are picking in front of us, if it's Miami, they're going
21:20to look at a quarterback.
21:21People are thinking Tennessee's going to be up there.
21:24They're not going to look at a quarterback.
21:25But they might trade the pick.
21:27So, I think.
21:28Well, I also, I think they're more than moral victories, too, Ryan.
21:31I think Glenn needs some wins to build confidence within the team and him.
21:36He does.
21:37I think you're 0-17.
21:38Like, how are you selling your program still?
21:43And I get it.
21:44Two wins, three wins doesn't mean much.
21:46But they need, the place is getting, they're in a bad place right now.
21:54Like, the building has that feel that I felt so many, like, plenty of times before.
21:58Like, players are angry.
22:00Coaches are angry.
22:01Staff members are angry.
22:03The ticket sellers are angry.
22:05Like, everyone's in a bad place.
22:07Like, I get moral victories don't appeal to fans who are looking at draft picks.
22:11But I do think the players could use some feel-good.
22:16And Glenn could definitely use it just to enforce his program.
22:19Like, he's trying to build something.
22:21At some point, you've got to win to reinforce that.
22:24And, you know, so I do think winning some games would be important for this team.
22:29Kaz, one quick question.
22:30How much do you think of what Woody Johnson said actually, like, affects the players?
22:35Hang on, Frankie.
22:36You're going ahead of me, buddy.
22:38I'm trying to produce this show.
22:39You want to be the host.
22:40I know, Frankie, my man.
22:42Like, I'm going to gang.
22:43This is literally my transition into Aaron Glenn and what the situation is.
22:48So, look.
22:48We're here at Gangs.
22:49The Gangs sounds off.
22:50So, look.
22:52Aaron Glenn, Justin Fields were at the point of Woody Johnson's comments this week,
22:57speaking after the owners' meetings, and part of what Woody Johnson said, saying,
23:02it looks like Glenn is turning around part of it.
23:06It's hard when you have a quarterback with the rating that we've got.
23:08He has the ability, but something is not jibing.
23:11If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that,
23:13you are going to see similar results across the league.
23:16You have to play consistently at that position,
23:18and that's what we're going to try to do for the remainder of the season.
23:22What Johnson goes on to say, if we could just complete a pass, it would look good.
23:25You have to convince the team that you can do something.
23:28Otherwise, it's hard to have a game that you can win.
23:30You can't run the ball if you can't pass the ball.
23:32That's football 101.
23:33I do believe in Aaron citing his relationship with him and then said,
23:37I see the way he handles the room.
23:39If I were a player, I would respond to him because he's the real deal.
23:43There's no BS.
23:44There's no second agendas.
23:45What you're hearing is the truth.
23:46A lot of times, players don't get the truth.
23:48That's a lot of gobbledygook, which we heard there.
23:51And then, basically, are they responding behind the scenes?
23:54And says, yes, I think they are.
23:56So, look, Kaz, I do want to start there with his comments about Aaron Glenn saying he's
24:02turning parts of it around.
24:04We all knew this was going to be a tough task for Aaron Glenn to try to take on this
24:09Jets job and eventually, quote-unquote, turn this huge ship in the right direction.
24:14It has not gone in the right direction whatsoever, but Woody seems to see that there's parts
24:19of it that are turning.
24:20What is your sense on Woody Johnson's confidence in Aaron Glenn?
24:25Yeah, I think he has a lot of confidence in Aaron Glenn.
24:27He picked him.
24:28You know?
24:28So, like, that's it.
24:29He picked him whatever it was 10 months ago, nine months ago, whatever.
24:33So, to me, when Woody Johnson speaks, and particularly in season when he speaks about football, he's
24:41echoing what he's hearing in the building.
24:43So, clearly, he's being told by Aaron Glenn or Darren Mugey or both or other people that,
24:50hey, this isn't a coaching problem.
24:52This is a quarterback problem.
24:54And we just got to get the quarterback right and things will be fine.
24:58So, that was my takeaway from it.
25:00He shouldn't have said it.
25:01He's not wrong, obviously, about the quarterback play, but he shouldn't have said it.
25:05He just, you don't crap on your players like that.
25:08And, you know, Justin Fields has not played well, but he seems like a pretty good guy.
25:17I think, you know, he's working.
25:19So, I don't see the benefit of saying that.
25:22Woody was trying to, I think, stick up for Glenn.
25:25But, he really, you know, put his foot in his mouth with that one, I think.
25:31Well, look, I agree.
25:33Frankie and I talked about this a couple days ago.
25:35I am of the sense your owner shouldn't come out and ultimately say what he said, especially
25:41when you have an entire other locker room who see those comments as well, that an owner
25:46is out there bashing, supposedly, their leader in the team and the offense and Justin Fields.
25:51It's just a bad look, and I don't understand how the rest of the locker room can really
25:55like feel great about that.
25:57And, look, it's a terrible situation, this Jets franchise.
26:01Like, there are, again, I keep saying, the mockery of the league.
26:05That's what they are, and they keep doing it to themselves.
26:07The owner, though, can't help himself by saying these comments.
26:10It just puts them in the situation of, when does the circle and the deep hole of the dysfunction
26:17stop?
26:18Like, I want off the ride.
26:20Like, I can't keep doing this every week and every day where the coach, the quarterback,
26:26the owner, no one seems to have a grasp of how they can fix this and get this right.
26:33Like, is it ever going to turn the right way under Aaron Glenn's regime?
26:36Yeah, I don't know the answer to that question, but I think there's maybe, I don't know if
26:44I've told this story before, many years ago, the Jets played in Kansas City.
26:48This was the, probably like in the middle, mid-2000s, before Mahomes, but they were
26:53already good, right?
26:54Andy Reid and Alex Smith, they were pretty good.
26:56And on my flight, there was a man in, like, all Jets garb, clearly a Jets fan, and his
27:02son was in all Chiefs stuff.
27:04So I, you know, I talked, I often talk to fans at the gate, and I was, so I'm like,
27:10how'd that happen?
27:11So he said, he goes, my boys were Jets fans.
27:14And he goes, but the day after the butt fumble, he goes, I told them both, pick another team.
27:19You can pick any team you want.
27:21Pick another team.
27:21He goes, he picked the Chiefs.
27:23So he's a Chiefs fan.
27:24So I'm like, oh, well, that's good fathering there.
27:27So I almost think there needs to be an amnesty for Jets fans.
27:30I know it's frowned upon to abandon your team and go, but maybe an amnesty day for
27:34Jets fans where they can pick another team if they feel like you, Rye.
27:38They're frustrated.
27:40Kaz, what I was going to ask is, I think what fans like Ryan and myself, what we're worried
27:48about is this owner really not giving a proper message that potentially could affect players
27:58we want to bring in in the off season.
28:00I know.
28:00Yeah.
28:00That stuff.
28:01It's overblown, right?
28:02You guys worry about that stuff too much.
28:04Yeah.
28:04Players.
28:05Yeah.
28:05Some players are aware of the comments and we're just kind of like, what the hell is
28:10he doing?
28:11Yeah.
28:11And then, but then there's other guys, younger guys.
28:14I don't think you were even aware and care.
28:16And honestly, like if you're talking about free agency, there's only one thing that matters.
28:21They can talk about anything else.
28:22It's the, and like, you might have to pay a tax.
28:25Like you might have to pay a tax.
28:26I'll give you that.
28:27Like, I think you pay the tax on Justin Fields.
28:30Yeah.
28:30You know?
28:31So, but if a guy, if you pay enough, pay, pay enough money, they're coming here.
28:37It doesn't matter.
28:38They won't be, they don't know the owner and situation.
28:41I think the owner situation is more for the players who are currently here.
28:45And like, there's a guy like Quinn and Williams kind of just get fed up with this whole thing.
28:50And, and, but that kind of thing.
28:52But I, I, I, I really don't think it has that great of an effect on people other than Justin Fields, Aaron Glenn.
29:00It put Aaron Glenn in a very hard spot.
29:02I thought, you know, that, that wasn't easy.
29:04He had to answer for it.
29:05He had to deal with the quarterback fallout.
29:07So, but for the most part, these guys are oblivious to that stuff.
29:12Well, look, and, and the other part of this is he seems to have his confidence in Aaron Glenn, yet all the noise around from fans, like frustrated with Aaron Glenn.
29:22The fact that this, his messaging seems to not have been what he said earlier in the preseason, it hasn't come to fruition in terms of, I want a product that Jets fans are proud of.
29:33No one is proud of this product.
29:34This is garbage, hot garbage.
29:36It's all it is.
29:37So he seems to be confident.
29:39He says there's parts of it that are turning around.
29:42Does that mean that we're getting year two of Aaron Glenn, no matter how they finish this season, even if it is 0 and 17, 1 and 16, whatever it be.
29:49So I think there's always a chance that something happens, like, but it's very minimal, like 2%, 3% chance.
29:59I, I, I talked to some people this week and I think I've mentioned, I mentioned it before on podcasts.
30:04Like I, I've heard a number that Aaron Glenn's making and it's a lot of money.
30:09And I went to a source this week who I thought would know.
30:14Uh, and I said, is this number right?
30:16And they said, it's more.
30:17So it's higher than I even thought.
30:20And so, uh, I wrote it this week.
30:24It's in the double digits of millions of dollars, um, per year.
30:29It's more than they've ever paid a Jets coach.
30:31He has a huge, huge, huge, huge commitment to Aaron Glenn that it's hard for me to envision him bouncing him after a year and paying that contract for four, he's a five-year contract, four more years of that contract.
30:46I just, I just can't see that happening.
30:48I mean, again, oh, and 17, you never know, you know, you never say never, but I really, I really make it a, it's a very, very, very small chance that he's not back next year.
31:03It makes sense.
31:03Uh, Frankie, your thoughts on what Kai's is saying here about a very small chance of Glenn coming back.
31:08Glenn, not coming back.
31:09Not coming back.
31:10Yeah, man.
31:10I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm in the camp of what he invested so much into finding this guy.
31:18Yeah.
31:18Even the amount of, yeah.
31:19Even the amount of money he paid, right.
31:21And cause the 33rd team.
31:23I mean, it's not about money for him, but it's about time and effort.
31:28And, and, and, you know, they went through money too.
31:33No, no, I, I, I, I actually think it is cause I do.
31:36People are like, oh, this is like 20 bucks for you and I, you know, it's like, no, no.
31:41Like they care.
31:42Like he doesn't want to take like a $15 million hit, you know, in terms of who he paid, you know,
31:48at the 33rd team also, that's like a sunk cost for him.
31:51And yeah, it is about money too, but, uh, money aside, I don't think he wants to put
31:57it out there.
31:57Maybe there's some pride there that, uh, that he was wrong.
32:00I mean, this was his guy.
32:02And, um, I think people, uh, didn't react properly to a degree in terms of what he said
32:09at the owner's meeting in the, in the, in the realm of it seemed like he was backing
32:13up Aaron Glenn talking about hugging the guy.
32:15Like he loves this guy.
32:17I believe that was, that was his intent.
32:19That was clearly his intent.
32:20Frankie.
32:21He was trying to back Aaron Glenn.
32:22He did it in a poor way.
32:23Cause he, he trashed somebody else doing it, but yeah, I was clearly his intent.
32:27Yeah.
32:27Yeah.
32:28And he has, he came out.
32:29The first thing he said was if I'm a player, I would believe in that guy.
32:34It's like, he's telling everyone, like, you know, he's the guy he's a, he's an honest
32:38person.
32:39And to a degree he is like, I, I agree with what, what he was saying there.
32:43But, um, yeah, look, it looks like the Aaron Glenn is going to be here for next year.
32:49And the patience that we have to have as fans is it clearly has to be longer than we want
32:54it to be.
32:54Um, and that's again, part of the reason why I wanted to go through the rest of the schedule.
32:59You guys see how they can finish up this year.
33:01And the point is, is that they're going to be picking their new quarterback this off season
33:04by all intents with the top, one of the top picks you would hope.
33:07And that Aaron Glenn's going to get his opportunity to truly rebuild this thing.
33:12The part I want to flip it forward to is, is cause how many players are the jets going
33:16to be trading here before the deadline, or are they not going to be trading as many players,
33:21uh, because they want to build a program here?
33:24Like what is that level of balance that they're trying to figure out right now?
33:27Yeah.
33:28I think there's going to be guys traded.
33:29I'm not sure how many riot that what I've heard is it's really about what they can get
33:32in return, um, more than anything else.
33:35So it's like, you know, they're willing to trade guys, but they're not just going to
33:39give them away.
33:40So what's the price for Brees Hall, right?
33:44What, how, what, what kind of picking you get for Brees Hall?
33:46I think if they get what they, what they're looking for, he's gone.
33:49Um, you know, I think guys like Michael Carter, like if they can get something from Michael
33:55Carter, they'll, they'll, they'll ship him out.
33:58Um, Jermaine seems like they've told him he's not going.
34:02I wouldn't think they would trade Will McDonald's.
34:06I think it's too soon there.
34:09Um, you know, so I think it'll, I think the headliner will be Brees.
34:14Quincy's an interesting one too.
34:15What can I get for Quincy?
34:16I don't think you're re-signing Quincy after you just signed Sherwood to that contract.
34:21The rookie has had some rough moments, but he also played pretty well in London.
34:25So do they feel like, okay, we can, we can probably go in the season next year with him.
34:29So I think Quincy and Brees are the headliners for me.
34:32Um, and then there'll be some, I think some other spare parts traded away, but that, those
34:37are the guys I'm watching.
34:40I wonder, like, I, it's not going to be so much a fire sale from what it sounds like.
34:44And that, no, it's also not baseball.
34:47I think we always think of baseball, right?
34:49Like you can't just, there's not a triple A team.
34:52They could just call players up from, they'll play the rest of the season.
34:54Like you got to go out and play the rest of the season.
34:56So yeah, it's not going to be a fire.
34:58And I thought a fire sale would be stupid too.
35:00Like you're not, there's no reason to give these players away.
35:03Uh, cause there's complex too.
35:04Like if you, if you feel like what you're getting for Brees Hall is not what you're going
35:08to get in a compact situation, if you let them walk, then you keep them, you know, and,
35:12and cause you're in a tough spot.
35:14If you trade Brees Hall for the rest of the season, Isaiah Davis and who exactly Isaiah
35:19Davis, I think is an NFL running back.
35:21And I think you're, you can live with him, but I don't know who the second running back
35:24is.
35:24So, uh, yeah, it's a tricky situation.
35:27We, if Braylon Allen was here, I think it'd be a lot easier for them to, to move on, but
35:31he's not.
35:33So, uh, yeah, it's, it's a tricky spot.
35:36The one player I do want to bring up is Quinton Williams.
35:38Do you think there's a potential there that they could trade him?
35:41Cause he is a guy that again, like you said, has been going through it in terms of been
35:47here through all the losses and been all the despair and dysfunction.
35:50Quinton's a hard one because of what, what can you get for Quinton?
35:54So I think Jets fans who watch every game appreciate Quinton, think, oh, maybe they can get a one
36:02for Quinton.
36:02You're not getting a one for Quinton Williams.
36:05He doesn't sack the quarterback.
36:06Like, like that, the players, like the players who get first round picks on defense affect the
36:12quarterback more than Quinton does, like Micah Parsons and, you know, the, the, the edge
36:17rushers.
36:18So would the Jets take a two, would they take like a two and a four or something?
36:22I don't know.
36:24I don't know what they could get for him.
36:25I, it's an interesting one.
36:28Um, they're, they're missing player.
36:30Well, the reason I asked too, is because there are missing a third round pick this year.
36:34Cause that's going to the Eagles for the Hassan Reddick trade.
36:36So do you try to, again, you need more picks like this, this talent needs Ross, like this
36:42roster needs talent.
36:44Yeah.
36:44Yeah.
36:45And here's the element that I don't know.
36:47And none of us know is I think Aaron Glenn has to be in the, the field right now.
36:54Who, who, who do I want on this team in 2026?
36:57Who do I really like?
36:58He's going to say publicly, he's going to praise everybody, but privately, who does he
37:01really feel like is an Aaron Glenn guy that he wants part of this team?
37:05Cause I don't think they did a great job this year of bringing in their guys.
37:10Like when I saw Jarvis Brownlee play in London, right?
37:14That first game was in London, right?
37:15When we played him and I saw him, how aggressive he was and he forces a fumble.
37:19He blows up that screen pass.
37:21I'm like, Oh, I was like, that's what they're looking for.
37:24And there are a lot of guys that play like that on this team.
37:28So I think this off season is going to be all about bringing in Aaron Glenn guys to this
37:33team.
37:34And I don't know, is, is Quentin Williams one of those guys?
37:36He might be, he might not, might not be.
37:38I think that's the hard part of this evaluation is figuring out what they think of these players
37:44privately, because I think they're going to ship out guys who they, they don't feel
37:47like are, you know, building blocks of this, of their program.
37:51Uh, it's certainly something we'll pay attention to over the coming weeks before the deadline.
37:56Um, and how the jets balance that and choose what players they want to move.
38:00Uh, Quincy Williams should be back this week, right?
38:03Cause, uh, he's returned to practice.
38:06So yeah, I would think cause you know, the, they have to activate him fully, but he was
38:13around, like I noticed in London, he was working off to the side with trainers.
38:17So that's like two weeks ago.
38:18So he, this isn't like the first time he's been on the field.
38:20So I would think there's a good chance he's back on Sunday.
38:24Certainly something, uh, jets fans can actually have some positives toward this defense.
38:27That's played well.
38:28They're going to have their, their tough matchup this week against the Bengals and that passing
38:32attack from Flacco chase and T Higgins, uh, fellows, let's go to trivia.
38:36I want to stump cause here, uh, the jets are 16 and 11 all time in the regular season versus
38:41the Bengals.
38:42Uh, cause the question for you though, is what jets player has the most rushing yards in a single
38:47game versus the Bengals all time.
38:50Does this include playoffs?
38:52No.
38:53Oh, you can't not include playoffs.
38:56I knew it.
38:56Cause I knew you were going to get it.
38:58If I can include the playoffs, but it's one of the greatest rushing performances in the
39:03history of the jets.
39:03That's right.
39:05I'm protesting this question.
39:06How can you protest the question?
39:07It's a regular season game.
39:08It's not a playoff game.
39:10Freeman McNeil is the answer.
39:11Freeman McNeil is the only answer.
39:13It's not Freeman McNeil.
39:15It's Curtis Martin who had 196 yards rushing in September 12, 2004.
39:20And at 31, 24 jets victory, he also added three catches and a touchdown reception as well.
39:26Two touchdowns for Curtis Martin.
39:27And I say this question and answer because I want the jets to run the ball with Brees Hall,
39:33throw the ball to Brees Hall, use him.
39:36He's really good guys.
39:38He's talented.
39:39It'd be great if we get him the ball early and often, because look at the jets in 2004,
39:44do the same thing with Curtis Martin.
39:45I'm not saying Brees Hall is Curtis Martin, but use them like Curtis Martin.
39:49If that's how you want to win this football game.
39:52All right, let's go to over on you protesting January 1983 riverfront stadium.
40:00Let me see where I'm getting to the rushing stats.
40:03Freeman McNeil 21 rushes, 202 yards, right?
40:08You did him dirty, right?
40:09Regular performances in jets history.
40:12Regular.
40:13He's not counting it.
40:14Regular season.
40:16That's bull.
40:19Jets haven't made the playoffs in 16, 15 years.
40:21I'm not going to be getting a playoff question here.
40:24Come on, fellas.
40:26Freeman McNeil, all the old heads out there are with me.
40:29Yeah.
40:30Over-unders.
40:31Kaz was four and two last week.
40:33Frankie three and three.
40:35So that puts Kaz at 24 and 25.
40:37Frankie at 21 and 28.
40:40None of the jets props are out because we don't know who the quarterback is.
40:44They don't even have Brees Hall's rushing props out.
40:46That's how great we are right now.
40:47Um, so I'll start with some Bengals players and then finish up with any time touchdown guys.
40:52So I'll start with Flacco, old friend, uh, 239 and a half pass yards.
40:57Joe Flacco, Frankie.
40:58What do you got?
41:01Under.
41:04Kaz.
41:05Under.
41:06Then we got Flacco, one and a half passing touchdowns.
41:12Kaz.
41:16Uh, over.
41:19Frankie.
41:20Piggybacking right there.
41:22Over.
41:22Okay.
41:23Then we got Jamar Chase, 85 and a half receiving yards.
41:27I'll start with Frankie.
41:28That's a big number.
41:29Um, I'm going to go under.
41:33Over.
41:35Okay.
41:36I don't know that's happening.
41:37Kaz.
41:38I'll go over.
41:40Yeah.
41:41Uh, T Higgins, 55 and a half receiving yards.
41:44Kaz.
41:46Under.
41:47Frankie.
41:48Over.
41:49Yeah.
41:50Okay.
41:50I see what you're doing, Frankie.
41:52Fellas, give me an anytime touchdown scorer for this game.
41:55I'll start with Frankie.
41:56Oh man.
41:59If they score a touchdown, right?
42:00Uh, it's all, I'll, uh, it could be jets or Bengals.
42:03It doesn't have to be a jet, by the way.
42:05It could be anyone.
42:06Yeah.
42:08Um, you know, I'm going to go with the jet this week.
42:10I, uh, you know what guys, I have a feeling.
42:15I haven't scored a touchdown in two weeks.
42:16I have a weird feeling guys.
42:18I think Arian Smith scores his first touchdown this week.
42:22I do.
42:22I think Tyrod's going to be back there.
42:24He's going to get a nice little on that.
42:26Yeah.
42:27Look, he should have had a touchdown last week.
42:28If he could catch, he didn't catch the ball.
42:30Yeah.
42:31That made a nice play.
42:32The guy did.
42:33Yeah, he did.
42:33Yeah.
42:34That guy got his hand right in there.
42:35Um, I'm going Arian Smith boys.
42:38I, I, I, I, I'm, I have a good feeling about this first touchdown of the year.
42:41I mean, he hasn't scored yet.
42:42Uh, let's get the rook involved a little bit.
42:47All right.
42:47I am going Brees Hall to get his first touchdown of the season.
42:51Cause it just makes no sense to me.
42:53If you line up all the things that make no sense about this jet season, there's a long
42:58list, but Brees Hall, not having a touchdown on what are we, October 24th is insane to
43:05me.
43:05So Brees Hall scores a touchdown.
43:09Well, I had you guys, uh, pick if they're going to win or lose.
43:12If you guys want to give me a score now, now's your chance.
43:14I'll start with you guys.
43:15How are the jets winning this football game?
43:17And what's that score?
43:18Like I said, they should have won the last two weeks.
43:22They had any offense.
43:23Tyrod gets the offense.
43:24You know, I'm not saying they're going to be the greatest show on turf, but the offense
43:28will be functional this week.
43:30You know, the Joe Flacco.
43:32I'm a big Joe Flacco guy.
43:34Great guy.
43:35I thought his answer about eating alone this week was hysterical.
43:38Very relatable to all of us who have, uh, kids.
43:42So, but he's Joe Flacco.
43:45I, I, I, I don't think he's going to have this insane game.
43:49They're still, they're the Bengals.
43:50They got weaknesses on defense.
43:52I'm going jets 20 Bengals, 17.
43:56Wow.
43:57Ooh, that's great.
43:58I'm nearly right.
43:59One of these weeks.
44:01Uh, Frankie guys, I've been hot.
44:05I'm a, I, I picked the free break.
44:07Yeah, you have Frankie.
44:09You're three and four on the year now.
44:10Wow.
44:11Um, guys, I'm picking against the jets again.
44:15I, I, I have no confidence yet.
44:19Um, in anything they're really doing.
44:21I do think I agree with cause no confidence in the defense.
44:24The defense has played well.
44:25I got this cause this is a week.
44:27I want to see it though.
44:28I think when you're playing in London and then last week, uh, against Carolina, the backup
44:33quarterback in the Broncos offense was not impressive until the fourth quarter.
44:37against the giants this past week.
44:39Yeah.
44:40Yeah.
44:41It wasn't right.
44:42Like, and, and Denver starts slow.
44:43Usually like it takes them about a half, but, um, Panthers offense ain't lighting anyone
44:47up.
44:48Yeah.
44:48Cause I want to see it this week.
44:49You realize Joe Burrow is not playing this week though.
44:51Right.
44:52You see what Joe Flacco did last week against this crappy Steelers defense.
44:57Joe Flacco can still sling it.
44:59He can.
45:00He can also throw four interceptions in the game.
45:02Like, like you guys know this better than anybody, right?
45:05You remember the Joe Flacco era with the Jets, Joe Flacco on this team over Tyrod Taylor
45:09right now.
45:11Cause I do agree.
45:12I don't think Flacco is going to have a big game.
45:14Like I was always going to throw for 330 yards and four touchdowns.
45:17Like I'm not there.
45:19Clip it.
45:20Clip it, Ryan.
45:21I got it.
45:22I got it.
45:23He's definitely doing that.
45:25He's definitely doing that guys.
45:26There's no sauce gardener who's stopping Jamar Brandon Stevens Brownlee.
45:32Come on guys.
45:35Steve Wilks.
45:38Go ahead, Frankie.
45:40Finish up your pick.
45:41I got Cincinnati 21 jets 14.
45:48Okay.
45:48You know, normal score right there.
45:50Jets are plus six and a half.
45:51So Frankie's got the Bengals covering in that spot.
45:55I'm on the same boat as Frankie.
45:56The jets defense cannot handle this passing attack from the Bengals.
45:59They won't be able to stop chase Brown as well in the passing game.
46:02I'll imagine a lot of screen passes to him as well.
46:04It's going to be tough for these linebackers to try and get him.
46:07And I just don't think the jets create enough pressure defensively.
46:10Like if they want to get the statue of Joe Flacco down, you're going to need Jermaine Johnson
46:14to have a big game this week.
46:16And I don't know if that's going to happen just because I haven't seen it yet.
46:20And will McDonald's been kind of MIA in terms of his play.
46:23And Quinton Williams doesn't sack the quarterback.
46:24Like you said, cause I don't see how the jets get enough pressure on Joe Flacco here and
46:29they can't stop Jamar chase one-on-one.
46:31Even if sauce was in this game, he would have a tough matchup here.
46:34Jamar is one of the best wide receivers in the game.
46:36I got the Bengals over the jets 28 to 10.
46:39Blowout.
46:44That's a show, fellas.
46:45Did you see this guy?
46:45The Jets have lost, right?
46:46What the Jets did to him, yeah, yeah.
46:48I have to be patient, right?
46:49So the losses are good.
46:51Let's tank for that number one pick.
46:53Oh, no.
46:54He's in tank mode.
46:55I'm fully in tank mode, man.
46:56I don't even care about the rest of the season.
46:58I don't care what happens on the field, to be honest with you, fellas.
47:00I only care about the offseason now.
47:02Well, you've got to find topics to talk about other than the Jets then.
47:06I'm finding them.
47:07No, no, no.
47:07We've got plenty to talk about the Jets.
47:08I went to the Knicks game on Wednesday.
47:11That was good.
47:12So, yeah, I gave you guys this fun fact.
47:15I'll give it out to the fans.
47:16I was thinking about it as I was watching the Knicks win their first game.
47:19Since the beginning of football season, which was, that, September 7th,
47:22every New York team has won a game except the Jets and the Nets.
47:27And to be fair, the Nets have only played one game.
47:29So, if the Nets get a win, that's everyone has won.
47:33The baseball teams have won.
47:34The basketball teams have won.
47:35The hockey teams have won.
47:37Giants have won.
47:39Jets and the Nets.
47:41It's a great time being a Jets fan right now.
47:43I feel like that kid outside the stadium.
47:45I was born into this.
47:46Do you think that was staged?
47:47Do you think that was staged?
47:48You guys are better at this content stuff than I am.
47:50No, Kaz, I don't think so.
47:51No, Kaz, we're hurting, man.
47:52We're in a bad spot.
47:53I know you're hurting, but some people, we were debating in the press
47:56room the other day whether that was staged.
47:58No, that kid's real.
48:00I'll say this.
48:01I'll ask you a question.
48:02Do you think this is the worst it's been since you've been working for the Jets?
48:06Like, is this like...
48:07Covering the Jets?
48:08I don't work for the Jets, Frankie.
48:09Covering the Jets.
48:11No.
48:12No.
48:13This is not the worst it's been.
48:15No?
48:17The Adam Gase year?
48:19So, that year, I think the team was worse, right?
48:23There's some good players on this team.
48:25There were like...
48:26To defend Gase, there was not many good players on that team in 2020.
48:31Brashad Perriman was the number one wide receiver going into the season.
48:34Remember that, right?
48:35Yeah.
48:35Frank Gore.
48:37Le'Veon was toast.
48:38You can say whatever you want about Le'Veon.
48:39He was toast.
48:40He did not play well for Kansas City Chiefs or the Baltimore Ravens after he left here.
48:43So, Frank Gore was your number one running back.
48:47I actually think last year was worse, guys, because the expectations were so much higher
48:53and it became such a dysfunctional mess with Salah getting fired and all the sniping that
49:00was going on and all that stuff.
49:02So, I actually think last year was worse than this.
49:05Last year was pretty bad.
49:07The Tebow year was really dysfunctional.
49:09That year was really bad.
49:10This team is bad.
49:12I haven't sensed total dysfunction yet.
49:16Like, you know, I do think that they're not...
49:19That's not going on yet.
49:20So, that to me is always a lot worse when the dysfunction sets in like it did last year
49:25or some of those other years.
49:27Yeah.
49:28And on the field, I'd say the 2020 team was worse.
49:32Yeah.
49:33This sucks.
49:34This just sucks.
49:36All right, fellas.
49:37That's a show.
49:37The season never started, guys.
49:39I feel like we never...
49:40We didn't have a season.
49:41The first three quarters against the Steelers were good.
49:45Was it 26-17, right?
49:47Wasn't it?
49:48Yep.
49:49Yeah.
49:49Yeah, it was.
49:50It was amazing when you think about that game, right?
49:51I know.
49:53That game, like, you walked out of that game and you're like, all right, they're going
49:57to be okay.
49:59They blew it.
50:00They blew the game.
50:01But, yeah, it's crazy to think about them.
50:04It's crazy to think about.
50:05Do you think this...
50:05Is this the worst...
50:06Do you feel worse about this season or last season?
50:09Because I feel like last season, I heard from more Jets fans than ever before in my
50:14life of, like, I'm done with this team.
50:17This ripped my soul out.
50:18Like, they really...
50:19Rodgers was like the belief, you know?
50:22So, is this...
50:23What's worse?
50:23This year or last year?
50:25I mean, I'll answer first.
50:27Last year sucked the most in terms of, like, just going through that and seeing that we
50:32just can't win with a Hall of Fame quarterback, which...
50:35Yeah.
50:36This year, I'm just...
50:37We all went in, I think, with a little, like, ugh.
50:40Like, here we go.
50:41Like, let's see what this team is.
50:43And, unfortunately, it's gotten even worse in terms of what the on-field product is and
50:47what we're seeing.
50:48And, yeah, man, like, I didn't think I was going to go through this season having to go
50:51through a two-game stretch with them scoring zero touchdowns.
50:55So, this just hurts more.
50:56And just, like, in terms of, like, for me, like, how disappointing it is.
51:01I'll say this.
51:03Yeah, I don't see any light in this tunnel here this year.
51:08That's the difference.
51:09I think last year, we had hope.
51:10Maybe Rodgers will come back.
51:12Maybe Devontae will stick around.
51:14Like, you kind of look to the next season, potentially, as something was going to happen
51:18or, you know, we're going to hire a new coach.
51:20There was, like, hope.
51:21Now, it's like, dang, we're, like, kind of stuck with this guy.
51:26What about the draft, though?
51:28I know, but, like, I feel like...
51:30You don't draft a quarterback.
51:31That's exciting.
51:32Yeah, it is to a degree, but I just...
51:36We got to go through this dance again.
51:38Like, it's like, I just don't want to do it.
51:40Why are we here?
51:41Why?
51:41Like, we haven't made the playoffs in 15 years.
51:45Like, why are we doing this right now?
51:47Like, we should be, like, sort of, you know, stable as a franchise to a degree where you
51:55can make a move or two and then put yourself in a position to make the playoffs.
52:00It's like, dang, we're, like, we're rock bottom.
52:03We're, like, rebuilding, like, any random, you know, 2-in-15 or 3-in-14 team went, you
52:09know, it's like, but we went through 15 years of not making the playoffs.
52:12We got kind of nothing to show for it.
52:14You know what I mean?
52:15Like, wow.
52:17I hear you.
52:18Frank, you said rock bottom, Ryan.
52:19I don't know.
52:20He keeps saying rock bottom.
52:22The Jets find another layer beneath that rock bottom.
52:24How do you think it is, too?
52:25I think he's been trying to say that every week now with the new rock bottom.
52:32And like you said, it's the new layer.
52:34So, I don't know.
52:36Were you guys at the Panthers game?
52:37Did you guys go?
52:38No.
52:39So, there was no one there?
52:40Yeah.
52:40The stadium was remarkable.
52:42Really?
52:43Yeah, because I know I get the record and everything, but it was a beautiful day, right?
52:49It was a really nice day.
52:50And it's October.
52:52And there was nobody there.
52:54And there were a lot of Panthers fans.
52:56I was shocked how many Panthers fans there are.
52:58I didn't think they existed.
52:59Because I knew with the Cowboys and the Steelers and the Bills, there was going to be a lot of
53:04opposing fans.
53:05But I was surprised how many Panthers fans were.
53:06And it was just like, yeah.
53:07It was just rows and rows of just emptiness in the stadium.
53:11And that's in October.
53:13So, like, what are we looking at?
53:16Patriots will probably be Patriots fans for that game.
53:19You know?
53:19But, like, Patriots game, Dolph Falcons.
53:21Like, the Atlanta Falcons on the week after Thanksgiving.
53:24Like, the place is going to be empty.
53:27It's already empty, though.
53:28But, like, that's...
53:28Yeah.
53:29So, I can always tell when I drive in how fast I can drive.
53:33Once I get on, I go and take Route 3.
53:36And I used to joke, all gas, no brake into the stadium when the Jets were bad.
53:40Like, when Sal was here.
53:42They didn't like that joke.
53:44So, you know.
53:45But, yeah.
53:45It was like...
53:45And so, it was nobody there.
53:48So, yeah.
53:48It's grim right now.
53:49It's grim.
53:50Yeah.
53:51And like Frankie said, there's no light at the end of the tunnel here, it seems like.
53:54Like, we're told to be patient.
53:55I would think your quarterback is the light at the end of the tunnel, Ryan.
53:57I get it right now.
53:58You don't see it.
53:59But, like, I feel like when you guys get to January, wherever the pick is, as long as it's not...
54:04They don't play themselves out of, like, a top five pick.
54:06If you have a top five pick, you're going to feel like, all right, we'll get one of these quarterbacks.
54:10The kid from Alabama, I've heard good things about.
54:12I know.
54:13Ty Simpson looks really, really good.
54:15But I don't want to get that.
54:15I talked to somebody the other day who said, I think that's going to be the guy who's the best out of all.
54:19Yeah.
54:19Who's someone I trust.
54:20Yeah.
54:21Wouldn't shock me at all.
54:22I'm seeing the same thing with Ty.
54:24But, you know, a kid sat for three years, and now he's a starter, and he hasn't played as many games.
54:29I think, and that's part of this trade line discussion, too, guys, is the Jets have messed up so bad when they've taken quarterbacks high with not having a team around them.
54:40Sam didn't have a team around them.
54:41Zach didn't have a team around them.
54:44They've got to make sure they have a team around whoever they bring in.
54:46Totally.
54:47And, like, this guy can't be out there, you know, throwing to nobodies with no protection and getting killed because that, to me, is just – we've seen that recipe too many times.
54:58Kaz, with the offensive line really quick, do you have any intel there as to, like, how they're viewing Tittman and Simpson, John Simpson?
55:06I mean, like, I know some fans are not happy with the performance there up front with interiors.
55:13So, I think, Frankie, I think it's hard – I think they're having a hard time evaluating anyone right now in offense because of how bad the quarterback play has been.
55:20So, it's, like, it's hard to go, like – it's just hard to separate what's what right now because everything is so bad offensively.
55:29So, you know, I think they need to get, like, stabilized on offense and then you'll have a better idea of how those guys are playing.
55:37But Simpson got to stop committing penalties, though.
55:40Totally.
55:41You know, not even the personal foul.
55:43You're the personal foul, but then he also had a false start later that moved him back.
55:47Like, so he's got to stop with the penalties.
55:49He's also struggling in the passing game in terms of pass blocking.
55:53But, again, but they all are right.
55:54Like, I don't know.
55:56You know, it's, like, the passing game has no rhythm whatsoever right now.
56:01So, I think that's affecting linemen.
56:02It's affecting receivers.
56:03It's affecting running backs.
56:04Like, someone said to me last week, they're, like, oh, Mason Taylor is not as good as everyone thought he was.
56:10Right?
56:10And I'm, like, dude, I'm, like, no one can throw him the ball.
56:14And then Tyrod came in and Tyrod threw him the ball, like, right away.
56:17Right?
56:17And I'm, like, there it is.
56:18And I was, like, I'm, like, I think he's good.
56:21But, like, how the hell can you judge him right now with the way the quarterback play has been?
56:25So, I'm having a hard time.
56:27Everyone's getting a pass, in my view, right now.
56:29Because the quarterback play has been so poor.
56:32And the offense just has had no rhythm.
56:33So, let's see if they can just kind of get functional.
56:37And I think then you'll have a better idea of everyone on offense.
56:41Yep.
56:42Yep.
56:43I don't know.
56:44I don't know anymore.
56:45Come on, Ryan.
56:46Ryan, we got to get you back up, man.
56:48No.
56:48You know, you were all pumped up for the season.
56:51Come on.
56:51You have a basketball team, Ryan?
56:53No, I don't like basketball.
56:54I'm a hockey fan.
56:55Who's your hockey team?
56:56Unfortunately, it's the Rangers who stink right now.
56:59Do they really?
57:00Yeah.
57:00They're bad.
57:01And the Yankees look like they're going to repeat the same damn thing next year.
57:05And, yeah.
57:06Away we go.
57:07All right, fellas.
57:07That's an episode.
57:09Sports in New York.
57:10Darkness.
57:10Jets are right there on the top.
57:13I guess enjoy it.
57:14We need to give out, like, a depression line number or something.
57:18Go spend your Sunday watching something else is my best help for all of you.
57:22Don't watch the Jets.
57:23Go pumpkin picking.
57:24Take the kids out.
57:25Right?
57:26Yep.
57:26And also, who wants to spend the money to go to the game?
57:28That's the other thing, Kaz, when you asked before.
57:30Like, it's a lot.
57:31It's a lot of money.
57:32It's a lot.
57:32It's a lot of effort.
57:33Yeah.
57:34You know what's crazy is, like, the weather's been awful for MetLife for a lot.
57:37It seems always raining, but this year has been great.
57:39The weather's been great, and I feel bad.
57:41It's the only thing that's been great at MetLife.
57:43All right, guys.
57:44That's a show.
57:45We'll talk to you next week.
57:46Have a good weekend, everyone.
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