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00:07Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here.
00:09My name is Ryan Sampson.
00:10That's our Jets beat writer, Brian Costello.
00:12And that's my guy, Frankie Viteriti from U-Stadium.
00:14Today is Friday, April 24th.
00:15The New York Jets make not two, but three first-round selections.
00:19They knocked it out of the park by most draft experts.
00:22But obviously, we're here to give our grades today to talk about the Jets' first-round class.
00:26They made three first-round picks, taking David Bailey at two, taking Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end at 16,
00:32and then trading back into the first round at 30 to take Omar Cooper Jr.
00:36But before we get to any of that and breaking down the picks and grading this right now,
00:40I'll start with Kaz.
00:41How are you doing today?
00:42Are you ready for round two and three tonight?
00:45Yeah, ready to see if the Jets do anything interesting tonight, Ryan.
00:48Right now it's one pick, but we'll see if that changes before we get there.
00:52For sure.
00:53Frankie, are you recouped and recovered from last night?
00:57Still on cloud nine, man.
00:59Still on cloud nine.
01:00Or cloud Bailey, we could call it.
01:02I'm still on cloud Bailey.
01:05Hey, man, I'll be honest.
01:07As soon as that pick was getting announced, guys, I thought it was going to be Arvel Reese.
01:11I was waiting for it the whole time.
01:13So I was somewhat shocked, man.
01:16That kind of took me by surprise.
01:18Sadiq did a bit, too.
01:19But Ryan, during the show and Kaz, we were talking about, oh, it's Vega, Sadiq, Lemon.
01:24And so I wasn't that shocked with Sadiq.
01:27But at two, man, I was fully prepared for the Jets to announce Arvel Reese.
01:35Yeah, so I think that's where we should start, Kaz, is really about the pick at number two.
01:39You know, the smoke screens or non-smoke screens, the games, everyone trying to debate back and forth what the
01:47heck the Jets are going to do right at two because we all knew the draft was really starting there
01:51after Mendoza.
01:53What do you think, man?
01:54Were the Jets playing mind games?
01:55Were they trying to get teams to trade up for Reese?
01:58Like, what do you think of this whole, like, obviously it was good that they kept it secret.
02:02No one really knew who they were going to take it to.
02:04Yeah, I think the only piece, Ryan, that feels like a smoke screen was the visit thing.
02:09I think that was, I think that got out intentionally, right?
02:14I don't think that, that's a piece of information, like, I've never heard anyone reference before in any, like, and
02:19so I think they got that out intentionally and maybe to draw some interest to the pick.
02:25You know, maybe try to get somebody to trade up.
02:28But Mujie said they got no calls on the pick when they were on the clock.
02:32So, you know, I think, you know, it felt 50-50 for most of the time here.
02:39Like, I was, I thought they were going to take Reese, but I was never convicted on it.
02:43Like, I never thought that it was a sure thing because you, like I told you guys before, you talked
02:48to people, most people around the league you talked to said Bailey, but they didn't seem to have reasoning to
02:54back it up other than they were just guessing and putting, like, you know, logic together.
02:59So, you know, I wasn't shocked when it was Bailey, but, you know, I asked Mujie when they decided and
03:05he said it kind of crystallized in the last few days.
03:08But, you know, I don't know how much back and forth there actually was or was Bailey the leader the
03:14whole time.
03:14And then they just finally decided, you know, they had no reason to make the decision until these last few
03:20days.
03:21But, yeah, it's, you know, it's going to be interesting.
03:24And I think now it's fascinating that Reese is in New York.
03:28And so it's going to play out right in front of us.
03:30And, you know, if he was in, if he went to Arizona, the pick after, like, we'd still all kind
03:36of go, oh, I wonder how that guy's doing.
03:38Right.
03:39You probably check every once in a while.
03:41But now it's going to be week to week.
03:44You're going to, you're going to be comparing Bailey and Reese, I think.
03:47Yeah, because Ryan was bringing that up on the show and you could see the sadness in his eyes.
03:53He was not all happy about that.
03:55I'm like, I'm like, Ryan, you could become a Giants fan if you want.
03:58I mean, like, there's enough people here.
04:00I'm joking.
04:01Kaz did call something.
04:03I'll give him credit.
04:03That tackle runoff.
04:05Remember, we had mentioned that.
04:06Yeah.
04:07Yeah.
04:07You saw that happen in real time, which was super interesting to see.
04:11When you have Monroe Freeling going and then Iyanachor and then you had sort of those three tackles going within
04:17four picks.
04:18So that was something with, you know, Caden Proctor, Maui Goa, Maui Noa, and then Fano before that.
04:23So, like, you see how.
04:24Lions, did the Lions take one, two?
04:27The Lions, yeah, they took the right tackle out of Clemson.
04:30They took Blake Miller.
04:31Blake Miller, yeah.
04:32Yeah, yeah.
04:33And then a few picks later was Monroe Freeling and then a few picks with Max.
04:36But three of five picks, we had Fano at nine, and then Maui Noa, and then Proctor at 12, which,
04:43I mean, that came out of left field.
04:45I didn't see that happening.
04:46But, yeah, yeah.
04:47And the Ravens took your guy, Frankie.
04:48Oh, man, I know.
04:50That's a perfect place for him.
04:52Yeah.
04:53Well, I was surprised Bain went a pick before.
04:55I mean, because, you know, Ryan and I, we were talking, you know, big on Lemon.
05:00We're like, we need Lemon here.
05:02You know, people are talking about Lemon.
05:05And, hey, Lemon was there.
05:06And, yeah, yeah.
05:09So, I mean, look, I think the one thing I do want to, before we wrap up the pick at
05:13number two, because it's interesting what you say there about, you know, where they, that, you know, clearly they were
05:19trying to get something going there after they canceled that top 30 visit with David Bailey.
05:22But the big part that I think is going to be a big conversation for years to come here, and
05:27we're going to do it on this show, we're going to do it in the offseason, it's going to be
05:30that comparison now.
05:31Because the Jets didn't make that choice between Reese and Bailey.
05:34They said, Bailey's our guy.
05:36And now there's that thought of, okay, but now the guys across town and Arvel Reese that you passed up
05:42on, what is that going to be like, that dynamic of, and is there going to be more pressure on
05:47David Bailey to perform now because he is being picked number two overall, over Reese?
05:52Yeah, yeah.
05:52I mean, the pressure is inherent in being picked number two overall.
05:55I don't think that has anything to do with Arvel Reese.
05:57Maybe not, but it's that local aspect, though, right?
06:00Would you agree?
06:01No, that's, I don't think it puts pressure on him necessarily, Ryan.
06:04I think it's going to be something we all talk about.
06:06I'm not sure if a player will get caught up in that so much.
06:09But the interesting thing is going to see how Reese is used there and how he's played out.
06:16I think they said last night he's going to be an off-ball linebacker for them to start.
06:20So, you know, do you have how much impact?
06:23It's not apples to apples if David Bailey's rushing the passer and Arvel Reese is playing off-ball linebacker.
06:27Does he go out there and look phenomenal and blow everyone up?
06:32And you're like, oh, my God, this guy's an all-pro.
06:34That could be different, but it could be a few years before he really settles into what he's doing,
06:39sort of like Michael Parsons took a couple years there for him to really become this great edge rusher.
06:44But, yeah, it's going to be interesting.
06:46And one thing I'll make, one point I'll make about the visit, because I've heard this from some people,
06:51the non-visit, visit gate, whatever you want to talk about.
06:56I don't think it's going to matter in the long run.
06:59I know people have said, like, oh, if David Bailey doesn't work out as a player,
07:03you're going to look back at this and say the Jets didn't do all their work.
07:08Well, if David Bailey turns out to be a bad character guy, I think then you point to that.
07:14But, like, I've talked to him.
07:16We just talked to him.
07:17He graduated in three years from Stanford.
07:21He does not seem like a character risk to me at all.
07:24Like, his brother went to Harvard.
07:26Like, he seems to have come from a pretty solid background and seems to be, have his life together.
07:32So, I don't, so, like, yes, if he goes out and is a knucklehead, then you're going to say,
07:38man, the Jets probably should have spent that day with him on the 30 visit and got to know him
07:42a little bit better.
07:42But if he's, like, just not a good player and it's just, the 30 visit would not have done anything
07:48for you.
07:49So, I would just, I don't think we're going to, I think we need to move off that 30 visit
07:53thing.
07:54Yeah.
07:55No, I know.
07:56I don't think, I feel like I haven't heard, maybe I've seen different things on social media.
08:00I haven't seen that as much, like, you know.
08:02Some people have said if he, it's going to come back to bite them if he doesn't work out as
08:06a player, people are going to bring it up.
08:07Like, I don't think that's the case.
08:10But they've done their homework.
08:11I mean, they have a little.
08:12But the point is, like, you had, they didn't do everything they possibly could do.
08:15But, right, some people said to me yesterday, like, you cannot take a guy number two that you didn't exhaust
08:22every possible minute you could have spent with him to get to know him.
08:25And some people felt that way.
08:27Other people said, that's nonsense.
08:29Like, if you went to the pro day and you had everybody with you at the pro day and you
08:33guys went to dinner with him, you got to know the player.
08:35You're able to get to know the player.
08:36You don't need to do a 30 visit.
08:37So, but my, I just think, I don't think it's going to matter in the end is my point with
08:42this player.
08:43Other players, I think, like, you know, I know when the Jets drafted Makai Becton, it was COVID, happened, right,
08:502020, they didn't get to spend any time with him past the combine because everything shut down.
08:55And I know in hindsight, the Jets felt maybe if we had gotten to visit him with pro day, maybe
09:01we'd gotten a 30 visit, maybe we'd done a private workout.
09:05We would have seen some of the things that cropped up when he got to the building and we missed.
09:09So, but like Makai had some character issues, so it was a little bit, it was a different story.
09:13It was a different story.
09:14But the other thing I'll say causes, and this is what I was just trying to say, like the Jets
09:18had an inside scoop on David Bailey, probably more than most teams because Frank Reich is now here on this
09:23staff.
09:23Well, he wasn't there with David Bailey, but he knows a lot of Stanford people over there and he, they
09:27have three coaches here who were on the Stanford staff.
09:30Right, so it goes more further to the point, like we know, like we have a pretty good feeling on
09:34what we know David Bailey just to be.
09:36Bailey just said that Frank Reich was at the dinner at Texas Tech and he was looking at him and
09:42he's going like, you look familiar.
09:44Do I know who you are?
09:45Do I know you?
09:46And Frank Reich was like, well, I took over at Stanford like after you left.
09:50So, like they didn't know each other at all, but he, yes, Frank Reich was able to get some intel.
09:55But again, like I said, I don't think that Jets probably had a ton of questions about character with this
10:00guy.
10:00Like you're, he's got a pretty impressive makeup.
10:04Yeah, the two instances people bring up with David Bailey are that stomping incident in Stanford.
10:10And then the thing with the photographer.
10:13So, like I see those videos circulating now over the last couple of weeks.
10:16I've seen them online.
10:17So, I'm sure people are going to love it.
10:20Yeah, I think things that happened in the heat of the battle are a little different.
10:22Yeah, the photographer thing wasn't a big deal to me, honestly, at all.
10:26The stomping thing, a little.
10:29But, hey, like you were saying, Kaz, it's a crazy game, man.
10:33You know, you got a lot of adrenaline.
10:34Listen, I once pushed a photographer.
10:36The photographers get really, really, they get really pushy trying to get their pictures.
10:43And, yeah, so we've, there's been known to be incidents in the locker room of reporters shoving photographers who get
10:50a little pushy with their cameras.
10:52Kaz, has anyone ever tried to push you?
10:54No, I pushed a photographer once.
10:56You did?
10:56I quit in Coppola's introductory press conference.
10:59This guy.
11:00This guy.
11:00I wish I could see that.
11:01I'd pay for that footage.
11:02Like knocked into me to get his position.
11:05So, I put him into a wall in front of Coppola's.
11:07Do we say the outlet on here or no, Kaz?
11:09No, no, that's the outlet.
11:11I love that.
11:12You, Ryan, when you do a show with Joel, right?
11:14Yeah.
11:15Ask Joel about a cameraman one time when he was Steinbrenner in the dugout in, I think it was Fort
11:20Lauderdale back then.
11:22Oh, yeah.
11:22Bring that up to Joel and see if he tells you the story.
11:25All right.
11:25That's going to be next Joel's Notebook there, bro, Kaz.
11:30Look, let's move on to pick 16, Kaz.
11:32So, I think for me, it was a surprise for them to go to Sadiq.
11:35I know you had actually mentioned it on a couple episodes here.
11:38You're like, do they go Sadiq at 16 if they don't like the wide receivers at that spot?
11:43Talk to me about Sadiq, the pick.
11:45We know he's an athletic freak.
11:47Frankie's talked about the athletic score.
11:49He's got a 99 on the 99th percentile of all tight ends in terms of what he does.
11:53But why Sadiq there over Makai Lemon when you had him there on the board?
11:58Yeah, I don't know exactly why over Makai Lemon.
12:00That's a good question.
12:01But I find it interesting, guys, right?
12:03Because we talked about the Reese Bailey thing.
12:05It was framed as production versus measurables, right?
12:11It was like Bailey had this 14 and a half sacks while Reese was this athletic freak but didn't quite
12:18have the production.
12:19They kind of went the opposite at 16, right?
12:22Because Sadiq is a measurables, create like 4.3940, you know, all this style, like athletic, just athleticism, athleticism.
12:32His production is not as good as I thought it was.
12:35When I actually looked at it last night, I was like, huh.
12:37Because I think I said this on here.
12:38I watched a lot of him because I watched Dante Moore a lot last season.
12:42And the first game I watched, I told one of our editors, Mark Hale, like, this tight end in Oregon
12:47is incredible.
12:47Like, he's one of the best players I've seen.
12:50But I was surprised he only had 500-something yards.
12:53I think he didn't have – there's not one game where he had 100 yards, I think.
12:58So, you know, tight end, maybe that's it.
13:02But they kind of went for the measurables thing.
13:05And I think they went athletic freak there.
13:06And I guess they felt like that this guy was just so much better than the receivers on the board,
13:11which was Lemon, Cooper.
13:12You know, I think they probably considered there.
13:16And now we have to see how they use him because I think this is now the interesting part is
13:19how you get these guys on the field, how you use him and Mason Taylor at the same time.
13:26You know, where does – well, I know we'll get to Omar Cooper later, but, like, how do you get
13:30Cooper, Mitchell, Garrett, all these guys, you know, how do you utilize them the best way possible?
13:39I think one thing about that, Kaz, too, is I watched the video the Jets posted.
13:43I think it was last night or this morning when Sadiq got the call.
13:46Frank Reich was fired up.
13:47I mean, he was, like, visibly, like, shaking, like, how pumped up he was.
13:50And I know these coaches are always, like, fired up to get these new guys.
13:53But you could tell he was really excited about getting Sadiq.
13:56And I wonder, Kaz, like you said, the athleticism, they're so intrigued by it.
14:00And the one thing I keep hearing about with the Sadiq pick is they're adding so much speed to this
14:06offense with a player like this.
14:08You now have Brees Hall.
14:09Garrett Wilson is a very fast guy.
14:12A.D. Mitchell is a very fast receiver.
14:14They're building legitimate speed on this offense, which is not the worst thing to have as an offensive – you
14:21know what I mean?
14:23Yeah, no, I think just, like, in a vacuum, like, you added a really good player.
14:28And now we have to see how to use him.
14:30And, you know, that's going to be on Frank Reich and the rest of the offensive staff to figure out
14:34how to best utilize all these guys together and get the most out of them.
14:39Because I think, you know – but, like, just looking at it, it's hard to criticize the pick.
14:43He's a blue-chip player.
14:45And, you know, he's the best tight end in the draft.
14:49And I know older Jets fans that might be listening have scars, right, from tight ends of Johnny Mitchell and
14:56Kyle Brady.
14:57Kyle Brady.
14:57To a Western degree, Dustin Keller, I thought, doesn't belong in that conversation.
15:01Yeah, I thought Keller was nice.
15:02He was pretty good.
15:04But he didn't – you know, he only was here for four years.
15:07So – but, you know, I don't think you can argue with the logic behind their pick there.
15:15Yeah, definitely.
15:15And Ryan and I were saying during the stream yesterday, Kaz, that pick went in instantly, right?
15:21I mean, the pick was in right away.
15:23So, they clearly were waiting for her – the Bucs to make their selection there, I'm sure.
15:29What do you think is a plan, if you had to say with Sadiq?
15:33Do you think him playing some slot receiver as his big slot?
15:37Yeah.
15:37I mean, he's going to play a bunch of that.
15:39I think you have to do that.
15:40You have to, right?
15:40Yeah, you're not going to play two tight end sets all the time, right?
15:43No, no, no.
15:43And I don't think that's who he is.
15:45Like, watching Oregon, he was – like, he's a guy who gets open the seam, you know, a lot.
15:50Yeah, this is go-to.
15:51And, yeah, I think he's a great mismatch out there, right?
15:55Because he's so big and fast.
15:57Like, I think he's going to match up well with Nichols and safeties.
16:00And so, yeah, I would think that's probably how you start it with him.
16:05And I'm curious, though.
16:07Like, I sort of felt like Mason Taylor was a little like that, too.
16:10He may start a little more in line, but he's the one I can't figure out how they're going to
16:15use as much now.
16:16Like, I'm struggling to figure out what Mason Taylor's role is going to be in this offense, right?
16:21Because it feels like now you've got – you can play Sadiq in the slot.
16:25You can play Garrett, obviously, in the slot.
16:28You can play Cooper in the slot.
16:31And I feel like if you're looking for the blocking tight end, Ruckert's in there.
16:35And, you know, he's – don't forget about Jeremy Ruckert.
16:38He's still here, right?
16:40And I think – but I think he'd use him as a blocker, right?
16:43So where exactly does Mason Taylor fit in is kind of a question in my mind right now.
16:48You know what?
16:49I do like the pick outside of everything, athletically speaking, with Sadiq.
16:53Like, I like it because I think it challenges Taylor and Ruckert a bit in that tight end room.
16:59Like, we got this young kid coming in.
17:01You guys, you know, need to get better.
17:04And Mason Taylor only did have a year, and he got hurt.
17:07I understand that.
17:08But I feel like iron sharpens iron a little bit.
17:11And I think –
17:11Oh, iron sharpens iron, Frankie.
17:14Is that the term?
17:15It's a horrible cliche.
17:17Yeah.
17:17You know who says that cliche?
17:18Brandon London always says it.
17:20So that's why I got it from players.
17:22Players are always –
17:22Players are always –
17:23I know.
17:24That's such a – yeah.
17:25I don't think iron actually sharpens iron.
17:28I don't think it does either.
17:30That's it, but yeah.
17:33No, I get what you're saying, though.
17:35And I wouldn't put Mason Taylor on the calendar.
17:38It needs to be challenged yet.
17:39Like, I don't think we could – I wrote about him yesterday, actually, because we have to do a story,
17:44an early story for the newspaper.
17:46But even for the earliest edition, I wrote – I did look back at last year's class.
17:50And Mason Taylor is a very hard guy to evaluate because of how bad the quarterback play was last year.
17:55And so, you know, Mason Taylor caught one touchdown pass last season, guys.
18:00Can you guys name who threw it?
18:01I know exactly who threw it.
18:02Brian?
18:04I'm going to say it's not Tyrod.
18:08Brees Hall threw it.
18:09Brees Hall, that's right.
18:11That's right.
18:11So he hasn't caught a touchdown pass from a quarterback on the chest yet.
18:15So that just underscores kind of what the situation was last year.
18:18So I don't think Mason – we can make many judgments on Mason yet.
18:21I think we've got to let him – hopefully he gets a little better quarterback play and coordinator from, you
18:28know, this year with Frank Reich and Geno Smith that they use him a little bit better.
18:31And we'll see what he can do.
18:33We'll see what he can do.
18:34It is curious, again, like you said, how they're going to use him with Sadiq, who now steps in.
18:39Like you would say – I would say he's the day one starter, Sadiq.
18:43I mean, you picked him 16 overall.
18:44Like, he's expected to make a huge impact on this offense.
18:48And I'm sure they're going to try and use him a multitude of ways.
18:50I agree with you, Ryan, but you also don't want a second-round pick that you took last year not
18:54playing.
18:55I agree.
18:55That's why I was confused when they made that pick.
18:56So that's why I didn't think they would take – that's why we had this conversation a month ago.
19:00I probably said, I don't think they're going to take Sadiq.
19:02I understood the logic of the argument.
19:04He's the best player there.
19:05But I couldn't get past the fact that they just took a tight end last year in the second round.
19:11And so, yeah, it's – I'm very – like, I'm interested to see how Frank Reich uses Sadiq and everyone.
19:19And I'm interested to see how Aaron Glenn utilizes David Bailey, Will McDonald, Joseph Asai, and Kingsley Ambaray.
19:25Like, can you have Will McDonald and David Bailey on the field at the same time?
19:30Like, if it's second and five?
19:32Like, I don't think so.
19:34And so, what happens there?
19:36Like, you don't want any of those guys to be a designated pass rusher.
19:40They're first-round picks.
19:42But they're going to have to be at some point unless they can't play against the run.
19:45And so, very, very interested to see both sides of the ball with these first two picks of how it
19:50affects the player deployment and what the coaches do.
19:54I'll say one quick thing on Sadiq.
19:55I do agree with you, Kaz.
19:57It is a bit of a projection there.
19:58But the guy's 240-plus pounds running a 4-3-9.
20:04I was telling Ryan.
20:05The guy's got measurables like he's a 165-pound receiver.
20:08You look at the way the league is going with Trey McBride and look at how Fannin sort of caught
20:14on last year.
20:15And then you have Brock Bowers.
20:16I'm not comparing him necessarily to Brock or McBride.
20:18But you kind of see a little bit of all those guys.
20:21Maybe the Jets are finally maybe thinking ahead.
20:23Hopefully they have a spot for him.
20:25Yeah, I get that, Frank.
20:28That was a good offense with a really good quarterback, right?
20:32True.
20:33Ben Solak from ESPN had this note that was – I think he averaged like 21 yards a game in
20:40his college career.
20:41And it's the lowest – that's the lowest average of any tight end taken in the first round of the
20:46last 15 years.
20:48So, like, I was genuinely surprised when I saw that, like, when I went to write it last night.
20:54And it was like, oh, I think he had 61 catches, which is going to be 500 yards.
20:58I thought it would be more.
20:59I just thought he'd have a bigger role.
21:01And even I asked David Bailey about him today because they played in the playoffs.
21:06I said, what do you remember about getting ready for Oregon and Sadiq?
21:09They identified him as the best player, the best skill – other than the quarterback, the best player on the
21:14offense that they had to, like, account for.
21:17So, yeah, I just – and again, I didn't watch every single Oregon game of his career.
21:22I didn't study him, you know, so maybe there's an explanation for it more.
21:26But the – I thought the production would be higher than it was.
21:31Well, look, it was surprising for me.
21:33I think Frankie was like, no, this makes sense, you know, just because I really did – I like Mekhi
21:37Lemon a lot.
21:38And I thought he could really compliment Garrett Wilson so well.
21:41But sure enough, the Jets trade with the 49ers, move up from 33 to 30 back into the first round.
21:47And they select Omar Cooper Jr. from Indiana.
21:51Talk to me, Kaz.
21:52I think this kind of – not salvage, but, like, it made me actually really excited about this draft class
21:58now of, like, okay, I see.
21:59I see the plan here a little bit more.
22:02Yeah, no, they did a great job, like, because when they passed on the receiver, like, you're talking about Lemon,
22:06but you could put Cooper in there at 16 too.
22:08A lot of drafts had Cooper at 16.
22:10Yeah.
22:11So it was like, oh, they passed on a receiver.
22:13And now, like, are they going to end up with, you know, a guy who's not such a sure thing?
22:19Cooper feels like he's still in the – he was in the conversation at 16.
22:23He's still in that – I don't think he's in the tier with Jordan Tyson and – who am I
22:29forgetting?
22:30Carnell Tate.
22:31Carnell Tate.
22:31Yeah.
22:32That tier.
22:33But he was probably – and maybe Lemon.
22:35I've seen some people think Lemon was in that tier.
22:37Some people think Lemon was a little blah.
22:38He was kind of the second tier.
22:42And you get him.
22:43You know, you get him.
22:44And so now you have two pass catchers.
22:46I know there's a lot of conversation, like, would the Jets take two receivers in this draft?
22:50They end up taking – kind of doing that, but one's a tight end and, you know, a receiver and
22:53a tight end's body, basically.
22:55So, yeah, I thought it was a smart move.
22:57They get the fifth-year option too because I see some people say, why would you move up three spots?
23:02Just wait.
23:03But the fifth-year option is a huge thing for the team to have control of him, especially with three
23:07first-round picks.
23:09Because, you know, your hope is, if you're the Jets, that you're going to have to pay all three of
23:13them in five years, right?
23:15But it might be four years.
23:16Where did I hear this conversation a couple years ago?
23:18I know.
23:19I know.
23:20Well, we can talk about that too, Ryan.
23:21I wrote about that book today.
23:23Yeah.
23:24So – but that's your hope.
23:25And so the fifth-year option, I think, was a big deal for them to get that.
23:28And, you know, in terms of him versus Lemon, I think, Ryan, like, Lemon is pretty much a slot receiver,
23:35right?
23:35Like, I don't think – I think Cooper can probably go inside, outside, move around a little bit more.
23:39I think they have a lot of flexibility at receiver right now because Garrett can play slot.
23:44Garrett can play outside.
23:47You know, and I think Cooper can – obviously, we talked about Sadiq lining up in the slot.
23:51I think they have a lot of flexibility to create matchup problems that they – you know, that Frank Reich
23:57couldn't design it up.
23:59I will say, you know, there's some talk now about the Jets are building these arsenal of weapons, and this
24:05offensive line looks pretty solid right now.
24:08Do you think that they're actually building something good?
24:11I mean, it's tough to say, right, Kaz, because the quarterback play has been so god-awful, right?
24:15And that's the position they need to address next year in the draft.
24:20But are they actually building something here you think that could actually support a young quarterback to come in day
24:25one and be like, I got some toys and weapons to play with here from day one?
24:30I think that's what they're trying to do.
24:32Yeah.
24:32Let's let – I'm always one – I'd like to see them on the field before I say that they've
24:37done that.
24:37Like, right, Ken and Sadiq and Omar Cooper haven't played it down in the NFL yet, so I'm not ready
24:41to go.
24:43Yeah, they nailed it.
24:44Like, this is great – they have this great offense.
24:47Like, I've just lived through this too many times where it was like, oh, you know, I can tell this
24:53story.
24:54I probably shouldn't say to the player, but –
24:58Who said this to me?
24:59But Dean Milder's rookie year.
25:01We were in Cortland.
25:03And one day in training camp, one of the offensive players who'd been here a while that I knew pretty
25:09well walked off and said, we're effed at cornerback.
25:14And I'm like, what do you mean?
25:15I'm like, I just took this kid.
25:16What was Dean?
25:17Dean was like the pick nine somewhere around there or like something.
25:20And I'm like, I just took this kid in the top ten.
25:22And he's like, he's terrible.
25:24And this was in training camp.
25:25Like, he's like, this kid can't play.
25:28And I'm like, oof.
25:29And Dean Milder was viewed as like, can't miss.
25:32Like, that was that year.
25:33He was viewed as can't miss.
25:34Sheldon Richardson was viewed as the risky pick.
25:36Yes.
25:37I remember that.
25:37You know, so that was a really, like, that was the time I learned was like, okay, these rooks, what
25:44we hear about these guys during the pre-draft process sometimes works out.
25:49Oftentimes does not work out.
25:50So let's see them play.
25:51And, you know, I do think that's the plan, Ryan.
25:53And I think it's smart.
25:56I think it's the reverse of what the Jets have done for years where they've taken the quarterback and then
26:00go, promise Mr. and Mrs. Darnold that you're going to draft offensive linemen and receivers to help him.
26:06Like, you know, Zach Wilson came in here.
26:09He had nothing around him.
26:11At least the next guy theoretically should have a, you know, some, even if one or two of these guys
26:16don't work out, they've got a lot of them now.
26:18And there should be an offense and all.
26:20And the offensive line looks like it's in pretty good shape.
26:24I was telling Ryan last night, I'm like, you know, what the old Jets would do in this situation.
26:28Because I think today we can officially say the new Jets are here, Kaz.
26:31Kaz, I have a feeling we may be in, like, a new era of Jets football.
26:35Things feel and look a little different.
26:36Even the pictures you were posting, Kaz, it just looks different.
26:39You just made Kaz run away from the camera right now.
26:43Kaz, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, man, that there's some different vibes going on.
26:46Some jujus being shifted.
26:48New Jets?
26:49Did you just say that?
26:50Yeah, the new Jets, man.
26:51This is the David Bailey right now.
26:52This is the David Bailey coming out of Frankie right now.
26:55Well, you got to hope it's not like new Coke, Frankie.
26:58You're too young to remember new Coke.
27:00But new Coke didn't work out very well.
27:04Yeah, let's slow down, Frankie.
27:05Well, what I was telling you.
27:06Let's get to the season.
27:08Let's, you know, be hopeful.
27:10Be hopeful.
27:11I don't want to discourage your hope.
27:12Let's get Kaz to see some rookie OTAs and minicamp.
27:16Let's see some of that stuff before we get there.
27:18That's fair.
27:19That's fair.
27:19Totally fair.
27:20I'll say this.
27:21Kaz, though, you know the Jets back, let's say,
27:2410 years ago, you know,
27:26the kind of picks they make with these kind of options.
27:29It's Arvel Reese and Denzel Boston, right?
27:32I mean, not that Arvel Reese is a bad pick,
27:34but taking even Bailey...
27:35Arvel Reese slander is just brutal.
27:37He hates Arvel Reese.
27:38He'll never admit it.
27:39Here's what I'd say, Frankie.
27:40I wrote this today for the website.
27:43This is basically unprecedented of them taking two skill players
27:49in the first round and not a quarterback being one of them, right?
27:53So, like, I looked back at every time they had two first round picks
27:57and they've never done this.
27:59It's always, like...
27:59And basically, most of the last 20 years have been defense heavy by the Jets
28:05because they've had, you know, Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan,
28:09Todd Bowles, Robert Sala, all these defensive coaches.
28:11And it's always been...
28:13It feels like the focus has always been defense.
28:15From 2010 to 2017, every first round pick the Jets used was on defense, right?
28:21And so then they took Sam in 2018, right?
28:25But a little different with the quarterback.
28:27They obviously took Zach in 2021.
28:29Then they had this run of offensive linemen that they've taken from Makai, ABT,
28:36and then Olu and Armand Membu.
28:39But, like, the skill player thing, really,
28:40Garrett is the only skill player they've taken in the first round in ages.
28:46So this is not to get two of them.
28:47I understand why Jets fans are giddy.
28:49Like, I get it because it's, like...
28:52And beat writers are giddy because we're actually going to have something
28:54interesting to write about when these guys are on the field
28:56because it's very hard to write...
28:57It's very hard to write about a right tackle in shorts in May.
29:01We're not seeing a whole lot, but now it's going to be...
29:03You look great in his pass sets, Kaz.
29:04You look really good.
29:06But, like, now we're going to have Sadiq because you know
29:09Kenya Sadiq is going to look fantastic in OTAs.
29:12Oh, yeah.
29:13Shorts? Oh, yeah.
29:14In shorts.
29:14And they can't press, like, at all.
29:16Like, you know, like, it's...
29:18The rules are...
29:19They can't touch him.
29:20Like, he's going to be flying all over the place.
29:22I'm demanding short shorts for Kenya Sadiq.
29:24That's going to be fun.
29:25And, you know, and Cooper will make an acrobatic catch.
29:28And, you know, you guys...
29:30The slow-motion videos from the Jets' social media team
29:35are going to be, like, crack for you guys.
29:38Or, like, new Coke, maybe.
29:41New Coke, not good, Ryan.
29:42Not good.
29:42That's not good, I know.
29:43That's why the Coke Classic came back.
29:45They're going to be called...
29:46We're going to be calling for Coke Classic eventually.
29:48Give me back my defensive players in the first round.
29:51We should have got A.B. on Terrell.
29:53When they give up 500 yards in the first game,
29:56they'll be going to be saying,
29:57oh, then, God damn,
29:58they should have taken three defensive players in the first round.
30:00We do have a secondary issue, guys.
30:03They got to do something.
30:04Oh, look at you.
30:05So, let's spin it forward, Frankie.
30:07You want to ask Kaz?
30:08What are they going to do?
30:10Well, yeah, Kaz.
30:11What are you thinking?
30:13I think you've got to get somebody.
30:15And now at 44,
30:15you had your little fun with the skill position, guys,
30:18like we just spoke about.
30:19I think it's time to get a little serious right now
30:22in terms of a real weakness on this team.
30:24Yeah.
30:24Corner or safety, I think you've got to key in at 44.
30:26I think those are priorities.
30:27I think there's a few ways they can go.
30:28I do think you also could go guard,
30:30if you go linebacker,
30:31maybe even defensive tackle,
30:33depending on how the board falls.
30:34But I do think cornerback and city key,
30:36there's a good chance you're going there at 44.
30:38Because you're right.
30:39And I think one of the keys for David Bailey is,
30:42like, you're not going to get a lot of sacks
30:43if the quarterback can get rid of the ball in two seconds.
30:47Absolutely.
30:48And that's always been a, like,
30:49it's kind of last year I felt like,
30:51was the chicken or the egg?
30:52Was the pass rush bad?
30:53Or was the secondary bad?
30:54It was kind of all together.
30:56And so there was 26 sacks,
30:58and there was zero interceptions,
30:59and they all kind of,
31:00it was just all kind of a big boiling pot of terribleness.
31:04And so I, yeah, I agree with you.
31:07I don't know if you can fix it in the second round, right?
31:11Like, I don't know if an answer is there,
31:13but, like, they do need to address it
31:15and bring somebody else into that secondary.
31:20There's some names there.
31:21You know, Gerard McCoy, Emmanuel McNeil-Warren.
31:26Is there, do you have a sense on some guys
31:29that they've scouted that they might be looking at?
31:31Colton Hood is out there, obviously.
31:33D'Angelo Pons, A.V. and Terrell.
31:35You just named a bunch of awesome players, by the way, Rye.
31:38You really did.
31:39Yeah, and the South Carolina one.
31:42Oh, Brandon Cease or Cease?
31:43I like him.
31:44Yeah, I do too.
31:45I like him.
31:46You had him in one of your...
31:47I did in Mark, early Mark.
31:49Yeah, I liked him.
31:50So, yeah, I would lean towards him if he's there.
31:53I think he's got a lot of potential.
31:56Yeah, and then there's safeties there too.
31:58I think, you know,
31:59probably the one from Toledo is going to go early
32:01in the second round.
32:03I would imagine that he's still on the board.
32:05Yeah, McNeil-Warren.
32:06Yeah, but then there's...
32:08Halsey and then, you know...
32:09Arizona.
32:11LSU, Halsey.
32:12Yeah, no, Halsey.
32:13But who's the Arizona one?
32:14Yeah, Genesis Smith.
32:17No, no, no.
32:18Bud Clark?
32:19No, it's like he's like a corner...
32:22He's listed as a cornerback,
32:23but people think he's...
32:23Oh, trading...
32:25Trading Dukes.
32:26Trading Stoops.
32:27Stoops, Stoops.
32:28Yeah, trading Stoops.
32:28Yeah, I don't know.
32:29Some people have him listed as a safety corner.
32:33I think he's going to be a safety cornerback.
32:34That's what they're saying, yeah.
32:35Yeah.
32:36It's not a terrible pick, yeah.
32:37No, so I think he's there.
32:39You know, so, yeah,
32:39I think they go in...
32:42I can see them going that direction at 44.
32:45So, Kaz, we got the second and third round.
32:46The Jets only have one pick tonight
32:47unless they make a move up.
32:50The real question, again, is quarterback.
32:52We know that there's some names out there.
32:54Drew Aller, Carson Beck.
32:55Do you see them taking a swing on one of them on day three?
33:01Yeah, I think so, right.
33:02I just...
33:03I keep coming back to, like,
33:05what their quarterback room looks like right now.
33:08And it says to me there's an opening.
33:11Like, and I...
33:14There could be two things.
33:15They could be thinking they're going to draft one,
33:17or they could be thinking,
33:19let's see what happens after the draft
33:21with who gets cut.
33:22And maybe they think the Titans are going to cut Will Levis,
33:25you know, next week.
33:26And they'll snatch him up.
33:28I'm using him as the prime example to me.
33:32But there could be somebody else.
33:33Sometimes guys shake free.
33:35Sometimes teams take a quarterback on day three
33:38and then cut loose the guy they took on day three
33:40a couple years ago, or, you know, something like that.
33:42So they could be just waiting to see
33:44what the post-draft quarterback market looks like.
33:46But they got to do something, right?
33:48Like, they're not going into the season
33:50with Brady Cook and Bailey Zappi as Geno's backups.
33:54So I still think there's a good chance
33:56that there's a day three pick coming.
33:59Kaz, do you buy any of this sort of smoke
34:02with Carson Beck, maybe going in the late second round,
34:05early third, where it would basically take the Jets out of that?
34:08Yeah.
34:09I mean, I think he's an interesting guy
34:11because I think he's kind of the anti-Tye Simpson, right?
34:14Totally.
34:14He's the guy who's played a ton of football,
34:16and I'm sure that's going to appeal to some coach in Geno.
34:19And a big kid, too.
34:20Big guy, yeah.
34:21And, like, you know, we can get him in the building
34:24and fix whatever, you know, mechanical issues he has or whatever.
34:28But, yeah, I can see that happening.
34:30Late second might be early, but he's probably third round.
34:32I can see him going.
34:34Real quick, Kaz, from night one,
34:36what would you give the grade for the Jets for last night?
34:38I do not do grades, Ryan.
34:40I never do grades.
34:42There's nothing I loathe more on earth
34:44than draft grades because, like I said, we need to see.
34:48I think the logic makes sense.
34:50I grade on logic.
34:51I give them an A for logic.
34:53Like, I understand what they were thinking with the picks.
34:57It makes sense to me,
34:59and I don't think they reached on any of these guys.
35:01I'll say that.
35:02But, yeah, I hate draft grades.
35:05Go to Dunleavy.
35:06Dunleavy does the draft grades.
35:07He does.
35:08He does.
35:09Yeah.
35:09And then look back at his draft grades in a couple years.
35:12They're freaking terrible.
35:13It's like, hey, I just look back.
35:15I just look back at the –
35:16because I did a story of the 2023 Lions, right?
35:21That was the year they took Jameer Gibbs,
35:23and they took the linebacker, Jack Campbell.
35:26Jack Campbell.
35:27They got killed for that one.
35:28They took Sam Laporta.
35:29I took Sam Laporta in the second round,
35:31and Brian Branch in the second round.
35:34Great freaking draft, right?
35:36Now, they got killed the day after that draft.
35:38They got –
35:40I think Yahoo gave them an F for that draft.
35:44So, like, it just shows you.
35:46The draft grades –
35:47Sorry, Ryan.
35:48I know you're a content producer.
35:49I am.
35:50You're killing my content, my man.
35:52I know draft grades drive clicks,
35:55and that's why we do them,
35:56but that's one area I protest on.
35:59So what grade did you give them?
36:01I gave them a B.
36:02Because of Norris?
36:04No.
36:05Well, that upset me a little bit,
36:06but it was more the Sadiq pick.
36:08I still don't think it makes sense,
36:09to be honest with you, at 16,
36:10especially in that spot with Mekhi Lemon.
36:12I think Mekhi Lemon would have provided more for your offense.
36:14I think the Mason Taylor pick makes absolutely no sense.
36:17It makes me question who was really making that pick last year.
36:19Was it Aaron Glenn forcing the pick on Mason Taylor?
36:22And then this year, Darren Mugee seems to be really in charge
36:24because I think there's much more at hand here
36:26in terms of who's actually running this draft.
36:28And it provides real questions like you're bringing up,
36:31like, where's the spot for Mason Taylor?
36:33You can talk to your blue in the face.
36:35We got multiple tight end sets on offense.
36:37Bullshit, man.
36:38Like, there's only one ball going around to these guys.
36:41Sadiq is a true guy that you want to make an impact on the field.
36:44It's 16.
36:44It's a high pick.
36:45He's got to make an impact right away.
36:47So I think Mason Taylor's going to lose a spot here on offense real soon.
36:50But I love the way that they came back and did the Omar Cooper.
36:53It would have been a C, Gray, to be honest with you,
36:54if they stuck with just those two picks for me.
36:58How about you, Frankie?
37:00What were you – I mean, David, other than David Bailey,
37:03I don't know how he gets an A+, right?
37:05Well, I just wrote my draft grade down right here.
37:09Can you see it?
37:10No.
37:11Yeah, now I can see it.
37:12Now I can see it.
37:12I give him an A.
37:13I give him an A.
37:14I never got these in school, so I wanted to write it.
37:17No.
37:17That's as far as – that's as far as –
37:20No, hear me out on this, guys.
37:25And I'm not trying to just blow V8 because I like David Bailey or something.
37:29I – looking at the board, after Vega went 14, Bain went, right?
37:35I would have rather have taken Lemon at 16 than Sadiq.
37:39Absolutely.
37:41But when you take Sadiq and then you trade back up to get that receiver
37:46in Omar Cooper Jr., all the feelings I had that I didn't like them taking,
37:52you know, Sadiq over Lemon sort of goes away because you give, you know,
37:57your team an actual wide receiver too.
37:59Does this wide receiver too have the upside of Lemon?
38:01No.
38:01But you solved a wide receiver too issue at least,
38:06or at least you think you can with Omar Cooper Jr.
38:08and you have something there.
38:09So because they did that, it made me feel so much better
38:13about that first round, obviously.
38:14I just think, you know, that sort of solved the case in a way.
38:18It's like, all right, well, you got Sadiq.
38:20Why would you pass up on Lemon?
38:22But then you get Cooper Jr., who's really good, by the way.
38:26Like, to be honest, when we look back at this draft,
38:28I wouldn't be surprised if he's a lot, you know, more –
38:33he has a lot more production here than Kenyon Sadiq does.
38:37Like, I wouldn't be surprised if we're, like, you know,
38:39he was the better of the two out of that draft, you know?
38:42Yeah.
38:43Yeah, I mean, the thing is, odds are one of them is not going to work out.
38:46Yep, for sure.
38:47Yeah.
38:47And, yeah, if you're the Jets, you're hoping that two of them work out.
38:51Two out of the three will – it's a good hit percentage.
38:56So, you know, and I just want to –
38:58Ryan, how about Jeremiah Love going number three overall in the draft?
39:04And he's the number two running back in the draft.
39:07Was Franky back in February, right?
39:10He was almost the number two pick in the draft.
39:13He was almost the number two pick in the draft.
39:15I will say this, guys.
39:16For Frankie's defense, Janarian Price did go first in the first round.
39:20First round?
39:20Oh, you're doing the first – I never said Janarian Price wasn't good.
39:23He just was not as good as Jeremiah Love.
39:24I barely got it, though.
39:25I barely got 32 there.
39:28Were there any other left guards taken, Frankie?
39:32Yeah, there was, actually.
39:34I don't know.
39:35I don't know if you're familiar with a guy named Spencer Fanel that's going to convert from –
39:39I'm kidding.
39:40No, he's a tackle.
39:41He's a tackle at nine.
39:42But the Georgia Tech kid went, too, right?
39:45Rutledge went.
39:46Yeah, yeah.
39:47Rutledge went – where did he go?
39:49He went to the Texans at 26.
39:52Yeah.
39:53Okay.
39:53Yeah.
39:54It's crazy.
39:54The Dolphins – I don't know what the Dolphins were thinking with that Proctor pick.
39:58I mean, I get a tackle.
39:59He's a premium.
40:00He is.
40:01He's young, too.
40:02He's 21.
40:03I was going to turn 21.
40:05Yeah, I don't know.
40:06That was – and even the Ty Simpson stuff, I was curious just quickly, what did you think
40:11about that with the Rams taking him?
40:13Because Ryan and I were pretty ecstatic about it just because we're like, all right, the Jets,
40:17if they want this guy, they're going to be able to stay away.
40:20They have to.
40:20Yeah.
40:21I mean, I knew he was going to go in the first round.
40:23Yeah.
40:24Because they wouldn't have had him there.
40:26His agent would not have had him in the building unless he knew.
40:29And I talked to some people Wednesday, I think, who told me that he was definitely going the
40:35first round.
40:36So I was asking about the Jets at 33 and that kind of stuff, but they were pretty confident
40:41he was going to go.
40:43Yeah, I was surprised at 13.
40:45I thought he'd be in the 20s.
40:47But interesting.
40:49I guess Les Snead promised them to take him or something, somebody said.
40:53Yeah, his dad, his good friends were.
40:55Les Snead knows the family.
40:57I'm interested in Ty Simpson because I really liked him last year watching him.
41:03And then I know it fell off at the end.
41:05And I get the concerns about his size and the lack of experience, totally.
41:14But when you just watch him, he's a great processor.
41:17And so who knows if McVay can coach him up?
41:19I know McVay didn't seem too enthusiastic last night, but McVay coaches him up.
41:23It'll be interesting to watch what he can do.
41:25Look, I'm just happy that the Jets, even though Sadiq thought he was getting pranked, that
41:29the Jets actually didn't fall into that scenario or with the stuff with Makai Lemon and calling
41:34up prospects as telling them, hey, we're drafting you.
41:36And actually, you know, that was incredible, incredible, incredible stuff.
41:40Yeah.
41:41Kaz enjoyed night two.
41:43I know day three is a long slog as well.
41:46Tomorrow we're looking.
41:47I'm trying to convince Mujie to trade the two seventh round pick.
41:51I would give them an executive of the year vote if he trades it.
41:54So I'm kidding.
41:56I'm kidding.
41:58Oh, you know, they're like, are you using stick?
42:02I'm like, yes, it's stick.
42:03They're like, I love my job.
42:06I'm happy to work tomorrow.
42:07I'll be happy to be here at eight o'clock or whatever.
42:10Stick.
42:11Keep me out.
42:12You'll keep me away from the family for a few more hours.
42:17I will say this, guys.
42:18Just make sure you don't make a promise on the whiteboard that you're going to walk
42:21home if they end up.
42:22Just keep me out.
42:23No, no.
42:23That ain't happening.
42:25I know that.
42:26I know not to do that.
42:29Thanks, Kaz.
42:29We appreciate you, man.
42:30We appreciate you, guys.
42:31We appreciate you, guys.
42:31We appreciate you, guys.
42:31We appreciate you, guys.
42:31We appreciate you, guys.
42:32We appreciate you, guys.
42:32We appreciate you, guys.
42:32We appreciate you, guys.
42:32We appreciate you, guys.
42:32You
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