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John Collins examines the deep historical roots connecting Daystar Television, Christ for the Nations Institute, and the legacy of William Branham. Rather than responding to recent scandals or current headlines, he traces the long development of revival movements—from the Voice of Healing era to the founding of CFNI—to explain how the theological frameworks, leadership structures, and apostolic networks of the mid-20th century shaped today’s charismatic media landscape. He demonstrates that understanding Daystar requires understanding the system that produced it, a system whose foundations were laid decades before Marcus and Joni Lamb entered public ministry.
Collins follows the historical trail from Branham’s influence, to Gordon Lindsay’s publishing empire, to the rise of the Latter Rain movement and early Church of God dynamics, showing how these streams converged in Dallas–Fort Worth. This convergence created the environment that would later give birth to CFNI and inform the worldview of many prominent charismatic leaders. The episode explores how themes such as deliverance ministry, dominion theology, hero-centric leadership, and apostolic authority migrated across generations until they emerged in modern Christian media. His aim is to provide clarity, context, and a broader frame for understanding why Daystar developed as it did—and why its origins still matter today.
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Collins follows the historical trail from Branham’s influence, to Gordon Lindsay’s publishing empire, to the rise of the Latter Rain movement and early Church of God dynamics, showing how these streams converged in Dallas–Fort Worth. This convergence created the environment that would later give birth to CFNI and inform the worldview of many prominent charismatic leaders. The episode explores how themes such as deliverance ministry, dominion theology, hero-centric leadership, and apostolic authority migrated across generations until they emerged in modern Christian media. His aim is to provide clarity, context, and a broader frame for understanding why Daystar developed as it did—and why its origins still matter today.
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00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:37I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:41at william-branham.org, where history proves that truth, or at least their version of it,
00:47is truly stranger than fiction.
00:50I've been having many conversations with Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson recently, and she
00:56has been doing, if you haven't been following it, she's been doing the Discovering Deception
01:01series that I have on the podcast, and she has a background that is deeply influenced
01:08by Branhamism, Ladder Reign, and she came to this realization just recently.
01:14So she and I have been going back and forth talking about research, and she asked me to
01:19do a podcast, or either that, or a research video on Daystar Television Network, and I was
01:27a little bit reluctant to do it.
01:29I was hesitant to go into something that is new and modern and very exciting to the itching
01:36years, because what I find is, in the heat of the moment, when everybody is feeling the
01:41fresh pain, usually people start attacking each other.
01:45And you can clearly tell that from the comments, people are disconnecting their brain from their
01:50emotions, and it turns into a mess that I just simply try to avoid.
01:54I try to stick with the history.
01:56And I've had a few people ask me to go into Daystar research, not just Laura Lynn, but for
02:04the same reason.
02:05I've just kind of been putting it off.
02:06However, I recently did a historical podcast talking through the history of Robert Morris
02:14and his connection to the movement, and part of the reason why I did this is because there
02:20is a historical precedent.
02:22There are historical connections that I don't think people realize, because it's like a thousand
02:29different puzzle pieces, each one for a thousand different puzzles that you have to put together
02:35before you can start to see how all of this ties into the bigger picture.
02:40And if you watch the video version of the podcast, I've got all of the faces that are kind of
02:45coming together into the scheme of the introduction.
02:49Well, that's kind of how this is.
02:50You have to investigate each face and how does it fit into the picture.
02:54And there is a connection between Branhamism and Daystar television through, ironically, through
03:01the same means of connections that Robert Morris comes through.
03:06However, it's deeper, I think, than even I was able to do justice in one single podcast
03:12with Robert Morris.
03:13The connections run deep, and they run through the apostolic network of Christ for the Nations
03:20Institute, which we have had a few guests who were sharing their story after having escaped
03:26that group.
03:27So some of you are familiar, some of you are not.
03:29For those who are unfamiliar, Christ for the Nations Institute is an institution in the New
03:37Apostolic Reformation that is holding deliverance seminars and training and has a school.
03:44And it was founded by Gordon Lindsay, who was William Branham's campaign manager for many years.
03:51And it honestly, if you study its history, it's actually a result of Branhamism.
03:57You can't have really Christ for the Nations without Branham.
04:01Yet at the same time, it is separate from Branham, which I'll get into that history just a bit.
04:07But it is in the same apostolic network.
04:10So if you understand how that apostolic network behaves and how the doctrines have built upon
04:18each other to develop this network, through that history, you can understand how all of this
04:23kind of fits together.
04:25And for those of you who are unfamiliar with Daystar Television, as I said, Laura Lynn Tyler
04:32Thompson hosts the podcast with me.
04:35She's a co-host on the podcast.
04:37And she resigned recently from Daystar Television.
04:40She had a program that was on the Daystar Network.
04:45And she pulled it due to what the news are calling ethical deficits in the network.
04:51And what that essentially plays out to be is there were just terrible things happening
04:57from, you know, sexual crimes to all kinds of things that apparently were happening at
05:03Daystar.
05:04And if you read through the Julie Roy's report, you can understand some of that.
05:10Some of this is recent and very painful for even members of the Lamb family.
05:16The Daystar Television Network was founded by Joni and Marcus Lamb.
05:22And their history and background also fits in a different puzzle piece.
05:28Marcus Lamb being trained in the ministry under the Church of God organization.
05:34And there's some interesting Branham history there, which I'll get into that as well in
05:40this podcast.
05:41But Daystar Television Network, it's commonly referred to as just Daystar or Daystar Television.
05:48It's an American evangelical Christian-based religious television network that is headquartered
05:55in Dallas-Fort Worth.
05:56And if you understand the history of Branhamism, the history of Christ for the Nations Institute,
06:01you'll understand how significant that area is and how that also ties into this apostolic
06:09network.
06:09There's a lot of history with Dallas.
06:12But in the year, I think it was 2010, Marcus Lamb went public admitting that he had had an
06:19extramarital affair.
06:20And it was several years before that he had done this, and people were apparently trying
06:27to extort money from him to, you know, to get money out of him because of this incident.
06:33He went on Good Morning America and Dr. Phil trying to talk about how he had, you know, overcome
06:40the sin or whatever happened.
06:42But more recently, in the year 2024, Jonathan Lamb, his son, and his wife Susie went on social
06:51media and disclosed that their daughter had been molested by a man who was involved with
06:57Daystar Network.
06:59And if you understand those allegations and understand the cover-up that was happening,
07:04you can understand that there were very dark things that were happening inside of Daystar
07:09Network.
07:09If you read the Roy's report, you can find some of that history if you want to learn more
07:16about it.
07:16I'm not going to get into that in this podcast.
07:19That's something that I usually don't touch.
07:22That's something for somebody else to describe and discuss.
07:25But I want to talk more about the history of how all of this comes together and how significant
07:30this is.
07:31Because as I mentioned, it is tied to the same apostolic network that Christ for the Nations
07:37Institute is tied to.
07:40Now, I know there's going to be people who immediately, probably right now in the comments,
07:44if you're listening live and you're commenting, they're going to say, this is guilt by association.
07:49You can't do this.
07:51You can't mention Robert Morris and Gordon Lindsay and William Branham and Marcus and
07:56Joni Lamb in the same breath because they're in the same network.
08:00However, if you understand the history of how all of this came to be, you understand that
08:09it is far more than just guilt by association.
08:12This was a methodical, very systematic change in Christianity that developed into this thing.
08:22And it enabled through the platforms of hero worship, it enabled leaders like this to have
08:31such horrific things happen in their ministry and yet still be able to maintain their pulpits
08:37because it is creating what Chuck Smith called the Moses model, where these leaders are untouchable.
08:44And that leader, that leadership model is something that needs to immediately be eliminated in
08:51Christianity because it is not a Christian theme.
08:54And you can see from the many, many leaders that are falling of recent days and recent years,
09:00even that this is enabling many, many people to do the same thing.
09:06And yet, whenever it happens, just give it a few years and they'll be back in the ministry
09:11to do it again and again and again.
09:14So this is problematic.
09:15And that's part of the reason why I decided I would talk through that history.
09:20But as I've mentioned a few times, it all comes back to Dallas and it comes back to the
09:25Christ for Nations Institute.
09:26There was, in the year 2018, the Christ for the Nations Institute celebrated their 70 powerful
09:35years of ministering God's Word.
09:38If you're watching the video version of the podcast, you'll see that there are people in
09:43this issue like Pat Robertson, who is a big name in the prosperity gospel, who's mentioning
09:49that he was active with Gordon Lindsay whenever the ministry was called the Voice of Healing,
09:54which we'll get into that a little bit later in the history.
09:57But he's praising Christ for the Nations Institute and talking about how powerful the work that
10:03they are doing.
10:04You also have other people who are in prosperity gospel, such as Robert and Debbie Morris,
10:09congratulating Christ for the Nations.
10:12And Robert Morris says that he takes people who are trained in Christ for the Nations Institute
10:19school and he brings them on staff at Gateway Church.
10:23And this is the year 2018.
10:25So you have multiple prosperity gospel people who are praising this because they're all in
10:31the same apostolic network.
10:34That's where Marcus and Joni Lamb fit into this picture.
10:37They're also featured on this page, this advertisement talking about the 70 years, saying that they host
10:44many people who are trained by or working with Christ for the Nations Institute.
10:49So what is the significance of Christ for the Nations Institute as it relates to William Branham
10:55and his history and Marcus and Joni Lamb, their history, Pat Robertson, all of these figures
11:02who are in this apostolic network?
11:03What is the significance?
11:05We have to go back to the origins of the latter rain movement and actually go just a little
11:10bit before that as modern Pentecostalism was starting to organize.
11:14William Branham was working with, I've mentioned this a few times, with the second in command
11:21of the 1915 Ku Klux Klan, a man by the name of Roy Davis, who was very popular in fundamentalist
11:28religion and politics as well as white supremacy.
11:32And you have to understand that back then, all of those things were mixed together.
11:38It wasn't like we think of today, where white supremacy is viewed very bitterly by people and all
11:45you think about are the hate crimes of white supremacy.
11:49Back then, it was an ideology, and it was seen by many as a Christian ideology.
11:55Unfortunately, it was seen by a lot of Pentecostals as a Christian ideology, and they were entertaining
12:02the idea of working with Branham.
12:04One such figure was W.E.
12:08Kidson, who was one of the heads of the Pentecostal Church, Incorporated, PCI.
12:16His publication was called The Herald of Truth, and when William Branham began to emerge as
12:24a leader of the post-World War II healing revival from approximately from 1945 is when he started
12:31building his fame.
12:32By 1947, there was a column in Herald of Truth called The Voice of Healing, and it was a column
12:39that was edited, written by W.E.
12:42Kidson, and it was simply describing the campaigns that were being conducted by William Branham.
12:50And this publication gave William Branham the name or the title of The Voice of Healing.
12:58They would say, Branham has the voice of healing.
13:01And you can find various newspaper articles if you search through newspaper archive or newspapers.com.
13:08You can find various articles which are mentioning Voice of Healing and William Branham even before
13:14the publication existed.
13:16Well, eventually what happened was William Branham decided to part ways for whatever reason,
13:23and he wanted his own publication.
13:25And so he founded the Voice of Healing magazine, and there was an article that was released in
13:34one of the issues, I think it might be the very first issue, saying that this was to cease and
13:39desist all other publications of The Voice of Healing, which is Branham's brand, and start
13:44publishing it in this magazine called The Voice of Healing.
13:49When it initially was launched, it was an inter-evangelical publication of the Branham healing campaigns.
13:55So it was made solely for the intent purpose of publishing and advertising William Branham.
14:03However, Branham was targeting many different groups because he was working with Davis.
14:09He's working with many different fundamentalist Christian groups.
14:12So it was called an inter-evangelical, and they had an inter-evangelical policy describing
14:19that they won't go into specific doctrines that might offend one or the other.
14:23Because during this era, they're still trying to form what is going to emerge as the predominant
14:30views on things like the Godhead.
14:32So you had the Oneness Pentecostal debate.
14:35You had Pentecostals who were Trinitarian.
14:38And what Branham was saying is, I'm going to appeal to both of you.
14:41And he did.
14:42He would go to some churches, and he would say that he accepted the Trinity and prayed to
14:47the persons of the Trinity.
14:49He would go to other congregations, and he would say, anybody who prays to the Trinity,
14:53the Trinity, or accepts the Trinity, has accepted the mark of the beast.
14:57So it was an inter-evangelical policy in that it was a confusing mess of contradictions.
15:04But it was a very popular policy because there were many people who joined into this movement.
15:11And what happened was, William Branham had a nervous breakdown of some sort.
15:17He mentions it on recording, and we've interviewed a few guests and found some evidence that suggests
15:23that he went off the field and went to a mental health institute in Mexico, if I understand
15:29the history correctly.
15:31Nevertheless, he went off the field, and there wasn't a clear sign he was coming back.
15:36So Gordon Lindsay took over the publication.
15:40He started bringing in other ministers who were joining into the revival, and this began
15:45sort of a campaign of hero worship.
15:48Each minister who would come would say that they had this great supernatural experience,
15:54and they were following on the heels of Branham, who claimed that he had actually been visited
15:58by an actual angel, and many people were believing it.
16:02So they had to step up their game as they came and published in this, so you'll find all kinds
16:07of different gifts and prophecies and spirits and angels and demons and people who visited
16:15hell and came back.
16:16There's all kinds of weird things that are in this publication.
16:19But this was, again, intended to support Branham's ministry.
16:24Branham goes off the field.
16:26All of the other men come in, and Gordon Lindsay's leading it.
16:30Well, eventually what happens is Gordon Lindsay replaces William Branham as the publisher.
16:35Initially, William Branham was the publisher.
16:37Then Gordon Lindsay took it over, and Branham did come back into the movement.
16:43So now it is a conglomeration of many different ministers and evangelists.
16:49Branham included, who are preaching the latter rain slash voice of healing slash health prosperity
16:57gospel to the nation.
16:59Branham's campaign headquarters was initially for the latter rain movement in Shreveport,
17:04Louisiana.
17:05But in the year, I believe it was 1952, it relocated the headquarters to Dallas, Texas.
17:12And by that point in time, Gordon Lindsay is fully in control of the operation.
17:19And there was not only the Voice of Healing magazine, there were also the Voice of Healing
17:24conventions.
17:25And the Voice of Healing movement was growing across the nation, and they were setting their
17:31sights much higher.
17:32They wanted to basically involve the entire world in this worldwide revival.
17:37And there's a series of strange events that happened in the year 1954, which I'm going to be covering
17:44some of that into a separate podcast.
17:47But essentially, the summarization of the events is this.
17:53Vice President Nixon started using the evangelists to fight communism, which he said was a battle
18:00of the mines, and he charged during one of the national prayer breakfasts, he charged William
18:07Branham and others to help fight this battle in the mines by essentially what would end up and
18:14becoming indoctrination techniques, they wanted to indoctrinate the youth, so that the youth would
18:19develop into adults that were going to be against communism.
18:23Because the threat, according to Nixon, was that the children were being persuaded by outside
18:31sources that communism was the way to go.
18:34So we needed ministers who were fighting that battle in the mines.
18:40Well, it's about that same year that the Voice of Healing magazine starts promoting this
18:46billion-souls crusade.
18:49And the reason this is significant, if you understand the New Apostolic Reformation,
18:53there's this theme of a billion-soul harvest, and people who are looking at it today, they
19:00think this is something new and exciting, but this actually is something that was originating
19:04back in the 1950s.
19:06That's what Gordon Lindsay and the Worldwide Crusade were trying to push.
19:11In fact, that commission to have this billion-soul harvest was so significant that eventually
19:18the magazine rebranded itself to become the Worldwide Revival.
19:22That was the name of the magazine for a period of time.
19:25And it just didn't last, because they were having a Worldwide Revival magazine, but they're
19:31having the Voice of Healing conventions.
19:34And everybody knew the movement by the Voice of Healing.
19:37They didn't really accept the renaming of this magazine to the Worldwide Revival.
19:44So, for a period of time, it had the name, and then it shifted back to the Voice of Healing.
19:51In the mid to late 1950s, along with the Voice of Healing conferences, they began holding deliverance
19:58conventions and training schools.
20:00So, you had people like William Branham and Gordon Lindsay, David Duplicis, V.W. Grant, various
20:07others who would hold these training courses to train ministers and laymen on how to be a
20:14deliverance minister.
20:15So, if you're in the New Apostolic Reformation and you're familiar with these deliverance
20:21ministers that are like shaman that go from church to church within the network, this is
20:27where this theme originated within the Voice of Healing.
20:30The Voice of Healing Deliverance Conventions, which had training manuals, etc., on how to
20:38deliver people from the Demon of the Hiccups or various other things, this developed into
20:44eventually what would become Christ for the Nation's training school.
20:48This training school was not formalized when William Branham was alive.
20:53So, the precursor to Christ for the Nation's school was the Voice of Healing Deliverance
21:00Convention Convention training schools.
21:02There are various other puzzle pieces that you really have to understand.
21:06Most of them, if you study our Revival History series of the podcast, Charles Paisley and I
21:12have talked through much of this, but one of the themes was Christian identity.
21:17The same year that they're holding this deliverance school is the same year that William Branham
21:22openly admitted that he was preaching the Christian identity to see doctrine, which is the doctrine
21:29that in the Garden of Eden, Eve mated with a serpent to produce Cain, and therefore an evil bloodline
21:37was introduced into the face of the earth.
21:39So, you had the good bloodline and the evil bloodline, and this was a physical bloodline.
21:46So, what these ministers were doing, not everybody accepted this, but what they were doing was
21:51they were trying to shift the gospel into something else, something that meant the power of deliverance
21:58would be greater.
21:59In other words, if we can take all of the spiritual things of the Bible and then turn them into
22:04very human things that people can look at and get a human understanding, our deliverance
22:09ministries will be more effective and more powerful, more accepted, more widely accepted by
22:15the group.
22:17In the negative context, however, it turns it into a completely different gospel.
22:22Branham would also have these sermons, for example, where he would say if he could just hold one
22:29drop of the literal blood of Jesus Christ, how precious it would be, how he would hold
22:34it and love it.
22:36And he was taking fully away from the work Jesus did on Calvary and trying to instead focus on
22:43the bloodline.
22:44He also had the doctrine, along with this, the doctrine of high breeding, which said that
22:51if you were black, you could not marry a white person.
22:55So, the combination of all of this was literally back to the racism that he was taught by Roy
23:00E. Davis in his church, the Pentecostal Baptist Church of God sect that Davis had founded.
23:07And Branham was ordained in that Pentecostal Baptist Church of God sect, which has another
23:15strange tie, which I'll get into a little bit later.
23:19But the essence of what I'm trying to say is this.
23:23The deliverance ministers were starting to introduce new and appealing things to the crowds
23:28that wasn't really based on the gospel and in many cases was a twisting of the gospel to
23:35make it sound different so that people would come and try to understand what it was that
23:40they were teaching.
23:41It was a divine mystery.
23:43And William Branham began teaching that he was the supreme of those who were able to teach
23:51people these mysteries.
23:53I grew up in a world where we, in the Branham cult, believe that William Branham was the only
23:57one who could reveal all of these mysteries.
24:00And they had to be revealed before we could receive what was called rapturing faith.
24:06In other words, we get enough faith through these mysteries that we could eventually be
24:11raptured into the heavens with God.
24:14Not everybody in the movement believed exactly that way, but many people respected Branham and
24:21his mysteries.
24:21And that's where this gets really odd because Gordon Lindsay, as I've mentioned in a few
24:28other podcasts, was long before working with Branham, he was teaching and holding seminars
24:34with the Anglo-Saxon Federation and other Christian identity groups during the point of time in which
24:42the Christian identity groups were turning to be very racist.
24:44So you have multiple themes of racism that combine in this weird way, and none of the history books
24:52would ever state that Gordon Lindsay himself was racist.
24:55But the ideologies, he accepted enough to speak in the conventions.
25:00So whether he was racist or not, it's irrelevant.
25:02It's the ideology that is the problem.
25:05He is training in this ideology.
25:07One of the themes of the Christian identity ideology is the twisting of the book of Malachi
25:17to suggest that in the last days there would be a return of Elijah the prophet.
25:23And the way they did this was, while the scroll of Malachi was one single scroll with no chapters
25:30or verses, they would say that because we have the Bible which has them numbered, that the
25:37third chapter was discussing John the Baptist.
25:40It was a prophecy about John the Baptist.
25:42And the fourth chapter, we're going to separate that for the end of days.
25:46And you can find students coming out of Angelus Temple who also worked with Branham.
25:51I'll get into that history, I think, in another podcast as well.
25:55Who were, like Wesley Swift, who was a Christian identity leader.
25:59He was very much intent on focusing on this coming Elijah.
26:03Well, in the Lateran movement and the Voice of Healing revivals that were spreading these
26:10ideas and ideologies throughout the nations, there was this idea that William Branham was
26:18that fulfillment of the passage of Malachi 4.
26:22Not everybody accepted it, but there were many who did.
26:26And many in the leadership of the Branham movement and the Voice of Healing movement openly declared
26:32this.
26:33One of the editors on staff of the Voice of Healing magazine who worked closely with both
26:38Gordon Lindsay and William Branham was a man by the name of T.L.
26:42Osborne.
26:44Osborne would later go on to become a founding pillar of the Prosperity Gospel movement along
26:50with the Word of Faith movement with Kenneth Hagin.
26:54He would also deeply influence the shepherding movement, which the shepherding movement in turn
27:00influenced the Jesus movement and basically created the framework that enabled the New Apostolic
27:06Reformation hierarchy of authoritarian control.
27:09So T.L.
27:10Osborne is a significant figure.
27:13Osborne, when William Branham died, declared that William Branham, when people had seen him,
27:19they had seen God in the flesh.
27:21And what he's referring to is essentially this Elijah theme from Malachi 4.
27:26If you read the King James Version of that passage, it says,
27:30Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful
27:34day of the Lord, and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts
27:38of the children to the fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
27:43And to the Christians who read this, who understand the covenants and the gospel, the mentioning of
27:50the curse is describing the final curse of Israel under the law and Jesus coming to fulfill this,
27:58John the Baptist preparing the way for Jesus.
28:00But in the Christian identity slash British Israel version of this doctrine, you could have
28:08both a reference to the old ancient Jews and also modern times.
28:14So that's what they did is they tried to transition this passage to the meaning that William Branham
28:22would be the one who fulfilled this.
28:24And when William Branham died, T.L. Osborne declared openly to the world that they had seen
28:30God in the flesh.
28:31So you combine the Malachi 4 passage with the Joel's Army theme and framework, which we've
28:38also described in various other podcasts.
28:41Let's also combine this with the manifested Son of God theme that was dominating many parts
28:48of the movement, not all, but many parts were accepting it.
28:52Well, T.L. Osborne did accept it.
28:55When William Branham died, he said, this was the closing generation.
28:59Something had to happen.
29:01It couldn't go past as past generations had gone.
29:05This was it.
29:05Therefore, in God's divine mercy, somehow stepping beyond the bounds of ordinary measure, he foreordained
29:13at this hour to send us again this prophet.
29:17So this prophet, he's actually referring to the Elijah prophet, but he's talking about Branham,
29:22who's in the casket.
29:23He says, some are going to think I'm sacrilegious or off doctrinally, and it doesn't really matter.
29:28But God came again in human flesh and said, apparently, I must show them again.
29:35I must remind them again.
29:37So if you understand what T.L. Osborne is doing, this is the combination of, like I said, many
29:42different doctrines coming together to a body that's in the casket, saying that we just saw
29:49God come again in human flesh in the same way that Jesus came in human flesh.
29:55So we're seeing the deity of the prophet that's in the casket.
30:01That was a thing that I grew up with believing.
30:05I believe that William Branham was this Elijah figure, the full manifestation of the manifest
30:10sons of God.
30:12Well, Gordon Lindsay believed the same doctrine.
30:15And this book, which Charles has mentioned this both in his books and in our revival history
30:22of the series of the podcast, Gordon Lindsay wrote this book called The Man Who Did Not
30:28Die, Elijah.
30:30And it is describing exactly what this doctrine is saying.
30:34But it was created after William Branham had died.
30:39This book was published after William Branham had died.
30:42And what Gordon Lindsay did was he took now the theme of this Elijah minister, this Elijah
30:50prophet, but he put it on the corporate body of Christ.
30:54And if you look into the last chapter of this, which is entitled Will Elijah Come Again?
30:59He is describing that this will now come in a movement, not in a single figure Elijah.
31:05And this is during the years in which he is starting to form the foundations of what would
31:12develop into Christ for the Nations.
31:14In fact, this book that I have, I ordered it recently.
31:17It is actually published by Christ for the Nations Incorporated in Dallas, Texas, reprinted
31:23in 1992.
31:25So this is a Christ for the Nations book.
31:27And when you think about Marcus and Joni Lamb and them hosting ministers or evangelists who
31:35are trained at Christ for the Nations, or think of Robert Morris, who is bringing people
31:40on staff trained for Christ for the Nations, where they're trained by people who believe
31:46that William Branham was God in the flesh.
31:49Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started or how the progression of modern
31:54Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign, charismatic, and other fringe movements
32:00into the new apostolic reformation?
32:02You can learn this and more on William Branham Historical Research's website,
32:07william-branham.org.
32:10On the books page of the website, you can find the compiled research of John Collins, Charles
32:15Paisley, Stephen Montgomery, John McKinnon, and others, with links to the paper, audio, and
32:22digital versions of each book.
32:23You can also find resources and documentation on various people and topics related to those
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32:48So I mentioned that there were two areas that I would focus on describing the connections
32:54from Marcus and Johnny Lamb into Branhamism and what developed in the post-World War II healing
33:00revivals.
33:01There's another connection that actually comes a little bit before the post-World War II healing
33:06revival.
33:07And I'm going to be very delicate with this because it makes a lot of people angry.
33:13And I've come to learn that this is something that I really need to research and publish more
33:18information on because whenever I start to talk about the Church of God, I get all kinds
33:25of hate mail.
33:26And what I've learned just in my simple research, I've not really dug as deeply as I intend to
33:33do, but what I've learned is it splintered into these different factions, these splinter
33:38groups of Church of God.
33:41And if you talk about one group in particular, if you mention the other group that is in the
33:48splinter group, you'll get hate mail from the other group because they don't want anything
33:52to do with the first group that you talked about and vice versa.
33:57And also, if you publish any information that might lead somebody to believe that you're
34:03talking about a religious figure who is affiliated with one branch of the Church of God, but might
34:11mistakenly think that you're talking about the other branches, they get fighting mad.
34:15In fact, in my inbox just this week, I received all kinds of mail telling me that I need to
34:21change some verbiage to separate people like A.J.
34:25Tomlinson from some of the histories that I'm going into because it is a dark and sinister
34:30history.
34:31And A.J.
34:32Tomlinson is above reproach by these people, much like the leaders of the New Apostolic
34:38Reformation are above reproach by these people.
34:42So I'm very cautious how I do this because I've not yet delved into that research enough
34:48to do it justice in such a way that doesn't excite and anger both sides of or many of these
34:55factions that have developed from the Church of God.
34:58However, all of this said, there is some significant history that you must realize as it relates
35:04to Marcus Lamb because Marcus Lamb was trained by the Church of God.
35:10I think it was the Lee College, if I remember correctly, which was the one of the flagship
35:15colleges for the Church of God, the Cleveland, Tennessee branch Church of God.
35:22And you have to qualify that.
35:24I've learned because if you just lump it all together in the term the Church of God, each
35:29faction gets angry at each other, which is very cultish.
35:33I'll just say it like that.
35:35But as it relates to the history and it relates to William Branham and his mentor Roy Davis,
35:41there are some significant facts that you have to understand.
35:45And you have to also understand that as it relates to Pentecostalism, the Church of God
35:50is significant.
35:51So you have to touch it delicately because you'll anger all kinds of Pentecostals if you say it
35:58incorrectly.
36:00But the themes that developed from Church of God, in my opinion, it doesn't matter how
36:07it splintered.
36:08They're all influenced by that same tree.
36:11Like Jesus said, you'll know the branches by the tree.
36:14Well, you see all these branches and they all go off in these various angry ways.
36:19Well, when they start fighting with each other, you can see that they're all part of the same
36:24tree.
36:24Well, Reverend Jessup, Ambrose Jessup Tomlinson was a pivotal figure in Pentecostalism because
36:33he was the first general overseer of the Church of God, Cleveland.
36:37And this is, I believe it's the oldest and largest Pentecostal sect in history.
36:43They were a holiness group before the Azusa Street revivals.
36:49And Tomlinson, through his leadership, he brought them into a Pentecostal denomination.
36:54And Tomlinson embraced the doctrine of the second blessing.
36:58So, whenever you hear the New Apostolic Reformation and many of the different evangelical groups
37:06saying that you have to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit or you have to have this
37:10new beginning, Tomlinson is the one who really brought this forward in the Pentecostal faith.
37:17And he had an authoritarian-style leadership, which very similarly matches what we see in
37:26the Church today.
37:27Where it gets really interesting is you can tell a lot of his theology through his son.
37:33And his son, Homer Tomlinson, as it relates to the New Apostolic Reformation today, in my
37:40opinion, is incredibly significant.
37:42Homer Tomlinson, in the 1950s, the same era that we're talking about with William Branham
37:49and Gordon Lindsay, he founded the Theocratic Party.
37:55And his platform was five different things.
37:58He wanted to maintain that the United States Constitution was an, a, quote, instrument of
38:04God.
38:05And he wanted to replace taxes with biblical tithes.
38:09Somehow that was going to solve all problems with finances in the United States.
38:15He also wanted to abolish the taxes on whiskey, gambling, and tobacco, which is really interesting
38:21if you stop and think about that.
38:23But he wanted to also freeze the wages and profits at their current levels.
38:29Don't let the wages or profits rise above what it is in the 1950s, which we would all be in
38:36a mess had that actually happen, and guarantee farmers a 10% profit.
38:40So that was his party.
38:43But the most important part of this is just simply in the name, the Theocratic Party.
38:48He was carrying his father's, A.J.
38:51Tomlinson's, vision of the theocratic theocracy of the United States into American politics.
38:58And he carried that idea forward.
39:01So you can tell from the roots of the tree, the branches are much like the New Apostolic
39:07Reformation today.
39:07They want their hands in politics.
39:10They want the church to govern the people.
39:13And that's evident from not just Tomlinson's branch of Pentecostalism.
39:19You can go to John Alexander Dowie's branch of Pentecostalism.
39:24Both, interestingly, influenced William Branham.
39:27Dowie also had a, I think it might have even been called the Theocratic Party, he had a
39:32presidential party that he was wanting to do the same thing.
39:36So they're wanting their hands in the government.
39:38And this is the denomination of faith that trained Marcus Lamb.
39:43While the Church of God never officially joined into the Latter Rain healing revivals, it did
39:51join into its own camp meetings and healing revivals.
39:55And they would emphasize the works of the Holy Spirit much like they did in the Latter Rain
40:01healing revivals.
40:03To the extent the world of angels and demons, the demons causing the sicknesses, all of that
40:09was shared similarities between both groups.
40:12In fact, if you read through some of the newspapers, there's an article here in 1974, for example,
40:18it talks about a man standing up and saying, there's a lady here who needs a healing.
40:24I just don't know who, much like they do in the divine healing camps when they're trying
40:30to do cold reading.
40:32Well, this happened in this camp meeting revival.
40:36And Marcus Lamb stands up and he says, there's an opposing spirit in this community.
40:40It's up to us with the Holy Spirit to pray for the people because Satan can cause destruction
40:46here.
40:47The same types of fear of being invaded by Satan, the same types of healing through summoning
40:56a spirit.
40:56This is the same type of revival that you had in Latter Rain.
41:00But this is coming years after Latter Rain.
41:04And like I said, the Church of God never really joined into it.
41:08But Marcus was so widespread famous in the Church of God sect, he became known as a walking
41:16Bible.
41:17According to the advertisements, he was positioning himself as an evangelist in the deliverance
41:23ministry, which is much like William Branham and Gordon Lindsay were training in the deliverance
41:30schools.
41:31So he's very familiar with this world of angels and demons and this world of deliverance type
41:37ministries that is being pushed by Christ for the nations.
41:41So when he encounters Christ for the nations later in his ministry, this seems to fit like
41:46a glove because it's very compatible.
41:49So, again, I mentioned that Church of God has a significant history with William Branham.
41:57So let's go back in time even before this with Church of God.
42:02And again, I'm going to try to avoid talking through the different splinter groups because
42:06you make both sides angry and it's not a pretty sight in the comment feeds.
42:12Later this year or next year, I'll probably get into detangling that a bit.
42:16But for the time being, let's look back at William Branham's first years in the ministry.
42:23As I said, he was ordained by Roy E. Davis, who was the second in command of the 1915 Ku Klux
42:29Klan.
42:30Davis, who was working with Caleb Ridley, who was the supreme chaplain of the Ku Klux Klan.
42:37And they were all working together with a theme that had a short-lived ideology and actually
42:45an institution or a organization named after it called the Supreme Kingdom.
42:50If you think of the Seven Mountains mandate, you're looking at very much the same thing.
42:56They wanted to conquer religion for the white supremacy purposes to spread the ideology.
43:02They wanted to get into the entertainment and they actually did.
43:05There were Klan-produced films that they would play in the churches, for example.
43:11All of the Seven Mountains, they were trying to accomplish.
43:15But Davis himself had an issue very similar to the ones that we're describing with Marcus
43:21Lamb and with Robert Morris.
43:24Davis had a thing for younger females.
43:28And this got him into a lot of trouble, some of which was criminal trouble.
43:33And it was learned by the leaders of the ministries that he was affiliated with that he was not
43:42fit to be a minister.
43:44I'll just say it like that because I'll keep this G-rated as much as possible.
43:48He frequently violated the Mann Act, which was taking a young, young, underage girl across state
43:55lines for the purposes of sex.
43:57So this was a man.
43:58This was a very bad man.
44:00He also had multiple wives in multiple states.
44:03So he was a bigamist and he was just doing all kinds of horrific things.
44:09He started out with the Baptist church, and he was a Baptist church planter in Texas.
44:16And he planted churches and grew ministries from Texas all the way up to Georgia and South Carolina
44:23and eventually got caught with his multiple wives.
44:29And this made the news.
44:30This caught the attention of the Texas Rangers.
44:34And they came after him, and he got into trouble.
44:37He actually went to prison.
44:38He gets out of prison.
44:40He goes back to the Baptist ministry, and he's in Georgia.
44:44And it suddenly becomes aware to the public.
44:48It's suddenly the public becomes aware that he is a bigamist, and he has this long trail
44:53of just dastardly deeds, some of which even include stealing from a bank.
44:59So his laundry list of crimes and ethical violations and sexual violations gets published.
45:08And he gets kicked out of the Baptist church.
45:11So he goes to a Pentecostal church.
45:14He goes to a Church of God church.
45:17And long story short, after being kicked out of each of these organizations, he founds what
45:23is called the Pentecostal Baptist Church of God.
45:26That is the organization that William Branham was ordained into.
45:30And as a minister, they're being trained with the ideology that Roy Davis has learned from
45:37Christian fundamentalism, from white supremacy, from all of these various things.
45:42Now, you can't say that Church of God is in any way tied to this thing that Roy Davis was
45:48doing.
45:49But if you understand the splinter groups of the Church of God and understand the development
45:55of the racial issues that cause some of the divisions in the Church of God, there is where
46:02you can make the connection to Roy Davis, especially since Roy Davis was a significant figure in
46:08some of the branches of the Church of God.
46:11In fact, there is a newspaper article where he is, in 1927, he is preaching in the Church
46:18of God in Cleveland, Tennessee, the same Cleveland Church of God that is the group that trained
46:26Marcus Lamb.
46:27Now, is Marcus Lamb tied to racism?
46:30Absolutely not.
46:31But it wasn't just racism that Roy Davis was teaching, and this doctrine of the Supreme
46:39Kingdom that they were trying to establish, this dominionism, this theocratic party, this
46:46idea that you're going to govern the people by the divine decrees of God, that was a theme
46:54that was growing in the Church of God.
46:57And it would have been appealing to anybody who's listening for Roy Davis to come.
47:02However, if you look at the early newspaper advertisements, it doesn't just advertise Roy
47:08Davis as an evangelist who's preaching these things.
47:11It clearly states that he is a respected associate of John Roach Straton, who was a key figure in
47:20the Supreme Kingdom movement.
47:21And also, he was, it mentions in the advertisement, he was a lecturer for the Ku Klux Klan and for
47:29the Fundamentalist Association.
47:31So this one single advertisement for the Church of God Cleveland is summing up all of the different
47:37ideologies that were combined together in this merging of apostasy that was developing in
47:45the Church of God Cleveland.
47:47Now, I have some people who are contacting me, wanting me to separate all of this nonsense
47:54in the Church of God and the documentation that I have, saying that, yes, that's right,
47:59the Church of God Cleveland, that's why these groups splintered off, because they were going
48:04down the wrong pathway.
48:05So there was a splinter group.
48:07We're of the right pathway.
48:08But then you look at some of the quote-unquote right pathways, and they're still maintaining
48:14much of that original framework.
48:16So when I look at it, I don't see splinter groups.
48:19I see a tree that has many branches.
48:22And that's why I look at this all with just a bit of skepticism.
48:27But again, here's Roy Davis, who has been kicked out of the Baptist Church, the Pentecostal
48:32groups, kicked out of the Church of God later.
48:35But there was a period of time in which he was preaching and holding revivals while advertising
48:41the Klan, while advertising John Roach-Straighton, the Supreme Kingdom, in the Church of God in
48:47Cleveland, Tennessee, the same Church of God that Marcus Lamb was a minister trained in
48:52the college in Cleveland, Tennessee.
48:55But the point I'm trying to make here is the Church of God is a tree with many branches.
49:02One of those branches does have racism in it.
49:05And I can tie William Branham's mentor and the person who ordained William Branham into
49:11the revival circuits, Roy Davis, I can put him in that branch.
49:16Yes, it is the same branch that Marcus Lamb is in.
49:19But the point I'm really trying to drive at isn't the white supremacy so much as it is
49:24the theocracy.
49:25Roy Davis had many different aspects of his own religious ideology, one of which was this
49:31idea of a theocracy.
49:34And he was pushing this through, you know, working with Caleb Ridley, others who were connected
49:39to the Supreme Kingdom.
49:41This Supreme Kingdom ideology that we should, as Christians, conquer the government.
49:47This is a huge problem that has existed long before today's New Apostolic Reformation.
49:53Homer Tomlinson went on to proclaim himself as the king of the world.
49:59So how does any of this matter?
50:01All of this history is the Church of God.
50:03And yes, it is the Church of God branch that Marcus Lamb came from.
50:07But Roy Davis was back in the 20s, Marcus Lamb is in the, you know, he's trained in approximately
50:13the 70s.
50:14So how does this even matter?
50:16Yes, the influence was there, but let's take this full circle.
50:21So if you look at the latter rain movement side of the equation, the Christ for the nation
50:26side of the equation, Roy Davis mentored William Branham in the healing revivals.
50:32So all of the dominion ideas, the theocracy ideas, Branham didn't preach theocracy, but
50:40he had all of the elements in his training that would have supported this idea.
50:45So Branham did teach that we would become the manifested sons of God.
50:49So there are themes that would be built upon the theocracy that he would take and run with.
50:54But Roy Davis himself would go on to become the imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
51:01And about the same time that Gordon Lindsay moved his operations from Shreveport, Louisiana
51:10to Dallas, Roy Davis had moved into the Dallas Fort Worth area and had risen through the ranks
51:17to become the imperial wizard.
51:18So during the years when Gordon Lindsay is growing and developing this deliverance ministry,
51:25he's growing it in the same city where Roy Davis is making daily, you know, newspaper headlines
51:32as opposing the the integration, the racial integration of public schools.
51:38So there's no way there's no scenario in which Gordon Lindsay was not aware of Roy Davis and
51:45who he was.
51:47Davis was openly published as the imperial wizard of the Klan in Dallas in 1950, as Roy Davis
51:53is rising through the ranks to become the imperial wizard of the Klan.
51:57Gordon Lindsay publishes a letter from Roy Davis.
52:02So Roy Davis is in contact with Gordon Lindsay.
52:06This is published in the Voice of Healing magazine, which had the Voice of Healing conventions,
52:12which would later develop into Christ for the Nations Institute.
52:15Davis, who is in the Dallas Fort Worth area at the same time that Gordon Lindsay is in the
52:21Dallas Fort Worth area.
52:23These men knew each other and Gordon Lindsay is publishing this article that was written by Roy
52:30Davis, William Branham's first pastor.
52:32So all of this comes to a circle and comes to a head in Dallas.
52:37And you have to understand that it isn't just the white supremacy.
52:42Again, it is the whole ideology that's being supported.
52:47There were elements of the ideology that Gordon Lindsay was in favor of.
52:51He apparently was in favor of the serpent seed doctrine because he is preaching in Christian
52:56identity conferences.
52:58So whether he openly accepted it or not, whether history records he accepted it or not, he's in
53:05conferences with several people who that is their soul, that is their fundamental ideology.
53:12Gordon Lindsay's with those conferences.
53:14Now he's publishing letters from a man who there's no way he does not know he's working
53:20with the Klan.
53:21So Gordon Lindsay is openly publishing this.
53:24And again, it's not just the white supremacy.
53:26It's the entire ideology.
53:28The elements that Gordon Lindsay was in favor of, he would have furthered and later taught in
53:35the schools.
53:36Now, did he teach racism in Christ for the nations?
53:39I don't think so.
53:41But all of the other things that were developed because of the Klan ideology that Gordon Lindsay
53:48did teach in the school, many of those are problematic.
53:51And as I showed in the very beginning of this, there are many people in that same network
53:59of Christ for the nations that are being trained and being integrated into other churches in
54:07this network, such as Robert Morris, as he openly admitted, such as Daystar, who is, you
54:13know, publishing airtime for the people who are trained in this type of ideology.
54:17So for me, I take a look at all of this and I see this big mess that could have been avoided.
54:24I also see, you know, from looking at Marcus Lamb, I see somebody who would have been trained
54:32in a way that was receptive to the ideologies that were coming out of Christ for the nations
54:37institute.
54:38And again, you go back to this book that Gordon Lindsay published, The Man Who Did Not Die,
54:44Elijah.
54:45This is the idea that in the last days, this Elijah spirit will come upon the church and
54:51we will be empowered and we will be able to take dominion over the people.
54:57That is, that is the precursor to the NAR's dominion doctrine that exists today is coming
55:03from this book, which is published by Christ for the nations.
55:07In fact, on the back, it says it is a Christ for the nations, Inc book.
55:13So this ideology is spreading.
55:15It's being spread through various platforms.
55:18Daystar is just one of those platforms.
55:21So hopefully this helps clear up some of the history and it, you know, like I said, it's,
55:27it's not that I'm focusing on the white supremacy so much as the different ideologies that came
55:32with it.
55:32And those ideologies, it's very evident that we see them today in these ministries.
55:38And it is enabling people who are predators to do what they're doing.
55:42So I think at minimum, we need to just eliminate these ideologies.
55:47So if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the
55:51web.
55:52You can find us at william-brannum.org.
55:54For more about the dark side of the new apostolic reformation, you can read weaponized religion
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