Deliverance Ministry: Modern Salem Witch Trials | Our Stories | Audrey Goff | Episode 451 - video Dailymotion

William Branham Historical Research

John invites Audrey Goff to discuss the hidden dangers of deliverance ministries and the tactics of spiritual abuse that often destroy families and marriages. Audrey shares her personal journey of being drawn into a cult that preached empowerment yet demanded submission, where leaders sowed division in homes, controlled followers through fear, and even plagiarized prophecies. Their conversation exposes how these ministries exploit vulnerability, confuse spiritual authority, and condition members to accept manipulation as divine guidance.  They also explore historical parallels between deliverance practices and the Salem Witch Trials, showing how accusations of demonic possession or “witchcraft” have been recycled through history to isolate and control people. From mind control to remote manipulation, the discussion reveals how New Apostolic Reformation networks perpetuate these abuses on a larger scale, and why recognizing false authority and clinging to Christ alone is key to breaking free.   00:00 Introduction 01:04 Audrey’s Background and Family Life 03:44 Marriage Control and Manipulation in Deliverance Churches 05:57 Women’s Empowerment or Control? 09:03 How Audrey Was Drawn into a Deliverance Ministry 13:01 Bible Study Fellowship and Contrast with Cult Leadership 14:20 The “Manifestation” That Led Her into Deliverance Doctrine 16:06 Looking for Demons Everywhere 18:08 The Yelling from the Pulpit and Psychological Conditioning 21:01 New Age Influences and Early Cult Red Flags 23:04 The Derek Prince Lineage and Deliverance Networks 25:29 Cross-Pollination Between Branham and the NAR 28:05 Sovereignty of God vs. Control of the Pastor 31:47 Cognitive Dissonance and the Turning Point 34:01 The False Prophecy That Exposed the NAR Connection 36:19 Plagiarized Prophecies and the Modern Witch Hunt 39:12 Salem Witch Trials and Modern Deliverance Parallels 41:05 How Questions Are Suppressed and Members Are Gaslit 43:56 Branding Questioners as Demonic 45:02 Cracking the Mind Control and Finding Freedom 47:05 Contacting “Exiled” Former Members 48:00 Remote Control Churches and Manufactured Emotion 51:09 How Good Teachings Mask Control 53:35 The Emotional Toll of Leaving a Cult 55:44 How Ministers Cause the “Demons” They Claim to Cast Out 57:49 Audrey’s Advice to Those Still Trapped 58:45 Closing Remarks and Resources  ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg  – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

Transcript

00:00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.

00:00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research

00:00:41at william-branham.org, and with me I have my very special guest, Audrey Goff, a Deliverance

00:00:47Cult Survivor. Audrey, it's good to talk to you and to talk to yet another Deliverance

00:00:53Cult Survivor. There have been quite a few of these, and it just fascinates me to talk

00:00:59to people who are in this, because I grew up in this world where even comic books were

00:01:04disallowed. We had this very, very rigid set of rules, and while the other kids are playing

00:01:10sorcerers and goblins and this kind of thing, I wasn't allowed because the demon might get

00:01:15you. And then to find out there's this whole world of adults that are playing hobbits and

00:01:23goblins and all kinds of demonic weirdness, it's really odd to me. And I've got, I think

00:01:29I've shared on the podcast, I've got a handbook of a deliverance minister with all the instructions

00:01:35that they go through. And it's like, if you have the hiccups, you have this particular demon.

00:01:40And it really reminds me of like the old Dungeons and Dragons game. You go conquer this demon that of

00:01:46the hiccups. And I, you know, I just drank water from my hiccups. So it's a little bit different

00:01:51in the real world. But anyway, with that, thank you for joining. Maybe you could tell everybody

00:01:57a little bit about yourself. Okay. First of all, just thank you so much for inviting me on here.

00:02:03It's an honor to be able to share my story and really give God glory for what he's done,

00:02:08because it's all because of him that my family and I got out. So yeah, I don't know. I homeschool,

00:02:19I have four children and I'm married. My husband and I just celebrated 20 years of marriage and our

00:02:26marriage is doing great, which is like a miracle considering we were under a pastor who was pretty

00:02:33much trying to drive wedges between us almost the whole time that we were members at his church.

00:02:40So the fact that we came out on the other end stronger is, is only God that can do that. So,

00:02:47but yeah, I, I, I feel like at this point in my journey, looking back at the, the several years

00:02:54leading up to, and then going into this deliverance church and then coming out to where I am now,

00:03:00I really feel like this is just a story of God getting ahold of my heart. And some, for some

00:03:08reason he had, I had to go into a cult for five years to come out and like, I can't explain it, but

00:03:14like that his ways are, you know, greater than our ways and higher than our ways. And I don't

00:03:19understand it, but on this side of it, I can look back and I can see where he's taken me and having

00:03:26to do with just knowing his love for me. That was just like, it's like, he just wanted to show me

00:03:32how much he loves me, you know? And it's just this amazing feeling that I wouldn't change for anything.

00:03:38So, you know, you said something right there that nobody has yet said on the podcast and it is

00:03:45significant. It's a really big deal. The wedges between us, the spousal wedges between the partners.

00:03:52This is a big deal. I have seen, so in the Branham cult, it was the same thing.

00:03:57Pretty much anything that is based off of this deliverance ministry has it. Because if you have

00:04:02a person who is trying to find demons where there aren't any, suddenly anybody who does anything that

00:04:10makes him uncomfortable, him being the minister, sometimes it's a female minister, but if it makes

00:04:16them slightly uncomfortable, they say, oh, that's a demon. And usually it comes down to personal

00:04:20preferences or opinions. But they're looking for demons under rocks that have no demons. And those

00:04:27rocks often are our spouses. So they'll start looking at something the spouse is doing. So she's

00:04:32possessed. She's got a demon. You need to watch her brother. You need to keep her in line.

00:04:37In the Branham cults in the years gone by, the women were very, very subordinate, sometimes spanked,

00:04:46et cetera. I have heard stories of this because the wedge between them and that wedge gets deeper

00:04:52and deeper and deeper. The longer time goes, if the, if whichever spouse, either the male or female

00:04:59is a little bit stubborn and they'll say, no, this is not sin. What I'm doing, this is your opinion

00:05:04versus my opinion. If they're stubborn about this, well, that demon gets bigger and bigger.

00:05:08And I have, I have had people in the support groups tell me that the minister had actually

00:05:15drove the wedge so hard that it caused a divorce and a separation, which is very, very painful for

00:05:23people in, in the Branham religion, because you weren't allowed to remarry after you separated.

00:05:28So they would drive that wedge to separation and then the two parties are just split. So I, sorry to

00:05:35hijack your story, but that's a big deal and it's never been brought up yet.

00:05:38Yeah. And just listening to you talk about it. I, it just reminds me, you know, as I've been

00:05:46listening to some of your videos and some of your shows here and hearing more about some of the

00:05:52Branham influenced institutions out there and the common things that they did. I feel like the church

00:06:01that I was a part of was just really different in a lot of ways than a lot of the things that

00:06:06you talked about. Like even what you're saying now about, um, the women being subordinate and that

00:06:12being a main focus in the church that we were at, it was very empowering of women. And to the point

00:06:20where, um, it's almost, it was almost like, it's like, it's very hard to parse it out because it's like,

00:06:28it's good in one way. Like, yes, women are just as valuable as men. So there was that aspect where

00:06:35it's like, oh yeah, you know, all of this time in my Christian upbringing, you know, I've had this

00:06:41kind of subordination kind of attitude and it's, and so in, in a way it's like, it was good, but

00:06:48then it's like, it tipped over too far into like now, like women, I don't know, like you might

00:06:55question, like what he was really doing with women because, um, it was driving the men away,

00:07:02what he, how he was, um, like advising us, I guess. And then at one point he had like a text

00:07:12group with just all the women in the church and him like a group text, you know? And then, so like

00:07:19all the husbands are just, you know, they're just like in rebellion because they're not submitting

00:07:24really to him is what the problem was. Like if you aren't going to submit to him. So like he was

00:07:30teaching the women to not submit to their husbands necessarily, or be equal with them, but submit to

00:07:39him. So it was very perverted in that way. Um, it was a complete like hijacking of the marital role

00:07:47and the whole picture of the church is really in marriage, but he was making it like, Hey, he's the

00:07:52one that you're submitting to, um, while telling you, you don't need to submit, you know, but it

00:07:58was, it was a very confusing. Oh my gosh. Confusing time. A lot to sort through like seriously coming

00:08:06out of this. I've just been like, Lord, you have to help me parse through these things because,

00:08:11you know, for me coming into this, and I guess I could share a little bit about how I even

00:08:17got into this church. Um, it was very much, um, you know, at first I was just like living my life,

00:08:27you know, I was like building my business online and I'm like working it. I'm ambitious. I've got

00:08:33goals. I'm living my life and I love Jesus, but like, I've got my own plan and I'm doing this.

00:08:38And it's like, God, like just took me and like moved me over here. And now I'm like walking this

00:08:45way. Like, okay. Like I'm not doing that. And like, he literally took my desire away from me.

00:08:51Like, you know, God gives us the desires of our heart. And it's like, he took that away from me.

00:08:56And I'm just like, I don't, why am I not wanting to work my business anymore? And so like, this was the

00:09:01beginning of him really like getting ahold of my, my, my heart. And, but it was a long journey from

00:09:06there. But, um, and anyway, so around that time is when he, and this is kind of part of my story

00:09:14that I feel like is, is just, it's not black and white. It's not yes or no. It's like, I don't

00:09:22really know. God is like not inside a box. Right. And so, um, I, during this time when God put me on

00:09:30this track, I start like researching things and I start, cause I'm like very much a researcher

00:09:37and I'm very like want to understand things. If I start, it's like, if I start learning about

00:09:43something, I will peel it open, like, and keep going. And until I understand it as thoroughly

00:09:49as I can. And so I started doing that with like, I don't know, weird stuff. Like I started

00:09:54learning about secret societies and like, oh, it's like weird things, you know, conspiracies

00:10:00and things like that. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like there's so many lies that I, or things that

00:10:04I was totally unaware of as a Christian. And it was very like convicting for me because I realized

00:10:12Satan was real. So this is the whole thing with like the deliverance ministry. It's like, okay,

00:10:18that was like really bad. Like there were bad things that happened there, but there was like a lot

00:10:24that happened in my life before I even got there. And it was like, God showing me, like, we know

00:10:29it's undeniable. There is a spiritual battle happening. Okay. So like, what, what do we do

00:10:34with that? And it's like, God wanted me to learn about like, okay, this is, but, but because he is

00:10:41over all of that, it's like, but I don't know, he, I was learning about all this stuff. What do I do

00:10:47with this? And, and during that time I wasn't working anymore. And I was, I was a group leader

00:11:03at this Bible study called BSF. It's called Bible study fellowship. I don't know if you've ever heard

00:11:09of it before. It's a big, like international anyway thing. It's they're, they're pretty solid.

00:11:16I think now looking back at everything, I'm like, okay, that was actually pretty good. Um, but I was

00:11:21a group leader. So they're, the way their structure is, is you have a group, a small group and you

00:11:26discuss the Bible study and then everybody goes to a big lecture and they hear a lecture from a woman

00:11:32who's going to teach on the subject. And, um, I was, the year was ending and I was not going to

00:11:39come back to that study. And the leaders came to me and said, Hey, we have prayed and we want you to

00:11:46be a, a substitute teaching the, the lecturer, a substitute lecturer. And I was like, Whoa, I,

00:11:53I didn't really think I was a very good group leader. Like, and you want me to like be this,

00:11:58like, I don't, Oh my gosh. So this was the first time in my life. This is the reason I'm praying.

00:12:02I'm, I'm sharing this is because this was the first time in my life that I really like submitted

00:12:08to the Lord and was like, okay, Lord, what do you want me to do? Because being a lecturer sounds

00:12:14like a challenge that the old me would be like, yeah, I'm going to do that. You know? And so anyway,

00:12:20I basically prayed and I got a clear no. And these people were like, okay, that's great. You prayed.

00:12:27And so another reason I bring this up is they responded so great to me saying, you know, I,

00:12:33I prayed and I'm not going along with your, you know, like what you think that I should say.

00:12:41And they handled it really well. And that contrasts so greatly with like this church that we were in.

00:12:48It's like, if you go against anything that they say, um, you, something's wrong with you.

00:12:54Like they, they want you so, um, badly to be led of the Holy spirit. And they, they really teach.

00:13:02It's like the teachings that they were giving at my church were some of them were very, very good

00:13:07teachings. And if you actually listened to them and applied them, you would basically be taught

00:13:14out of their own church because at some point you're going to butt heads with them. So that's,

00:13:19it's kind of like this weird thing where I'm like, how, how do you, um, reconcile the fact that you

00:13:25want us to use critical thinking and you want us to use, um, seek the Lord on our own and all the,

00:13:32all these things, but then, and you want us to be who God created us to be. Like, we would literally

00:13:36be like yelled at from the podium. Like you're not living the life. God wanted you to live. You know,

00:13:43you're not being who God wants, like just all this, like, and you're just like, Oh my gosh,

00:13:47I'm not, what am I not doing? You know? And so, but if you actually took that and we're like, okay,

00:13:53Lord, who do you want me to be? Like, it could have a good outcome, you know? Um, but then eventually

00:14:00you're going to be led out of that church because God's going to lead you out because you're going to

00:14:04be led of him. So, um, anyway, um, eventually something happened in my home where a family

00:14:17member did something and it was very much like, we, we could not explain what, what happened,

00:14:23what this person just did. It was like a very, it was like a, it was an outburst. It was what I

00:14:30would, I would still call today, like a demonic manifestation. Like, and this is the thing where

00:14:34I'm like, I don't know. You know, some people think Christians can't have demons. Some people

00:14:39think they can obviously deliverance. People think they can. How about I just say, you know what?

00:14:45I'm open to it. Like, I don't know, like, I'm not going to say no. And I'm not going to say yes.

00:14:49Like, I'm just like, okay, if something happens that I can't explain, I'm open to this possibility.

00:14:56But at that point when it happened, I had no like con I had no context for what it was that we just

00:15:03witnessed, what we just experienced. And so of course me, I go and I start researching. I don't

00:15:09even know what I looked up, but I'm like trying to figure out what in the world this was, what

00:15:13happened. And I found these two moms on YouTube and they were interviewing this pastor and they

00:15:22were talking about demons. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like, I think this is what that was.

00:15:26And I was just, I felt like this is the answer. And, um, that was the pastor that we ended up

00:15:35joining his church.

00:15:36There's so much to unpack there. So if you've read Dr. Stephen Hassan's book,

00:15:41combating cult mind control, one of the things that he talks about is the way in which a cult

00:15:46will get people involved because if they can get them involved and then overextend their, um,

00:15:53their time and their energy, well, their guard goes down, their critical thinking goes down.

00:15:58And that's just one aspect of the critical thinking going down. The other thing that you

00:16:04were talking about is interestingly, it all ties together. The secret societies, when people leave

00:16:09these types of groups, especially the deliverance ministry, you are looking for a demon everywhere.

00:16:17I'm, and I'm, I'm not making this up. If you've never been in this, you are literally looking for

00:16:23a demon. If somebody stealing your parking spot, if somebody gets a parking spot before you, that

00:16:28demon was out to get you. That's the world that this is. I have witnessed this. I've been in the

00:16:32car like this. There are people who are looking for demons when they don't exist. Now I'm going to

00:16:40separate that from the biblical version of a demon. I'm talking about, I'm walking through my room and I

00:16:46stumped my toe. Well, that demon got me. It got my toe. That's how ridiculous it gets. Well, when you

00:16:51leave something like this and you're in that mindset, then you suddenly begin to wonder, wait a

00:16:58minute, that was a cult I was in. This was purely evil. What if the devil was trying to get us through

00:17:04that? And you start looking into secret societies because you start to think, well, wait a minute.

00:17:09What, what if it's not just the minister? What if it's bigger than this? What if it's big? And I have

00:17:14talked to so many people in the support groups that the first place they had, interestingly,

00:17:19is not towards the Bible to reread and understand what it says. They'll go to the Masons. They'll go

00:17:25to the secret societies, Freemasonry, all of this stuff, and try to understand it so that they can

00:17:30somehow link what they came from to the secret societies. And I don't, I don't dissuade it. You

00:17:38know, people ask me questions about it, and I just say, well, you can't prove any of it. So

00:17:43you're welcome to go look, but they don't really let you access the records. However, it is a mindset

00:17:50that I think can be with anything. If you can let your mind sort of spin out of control in that

00:17:58direction, it can be very unhealthy and it'll lead people to places they don't want to go. So that's

00:18:04one aspect of things that you have going on. But the other thing that you mentioned, which is also

00:18:10just as important, which also I don't know that I've talked about in the podcast, the yelling at

00:18:15people from the pulpit. So they get you to come into the building, they get your guard down,

00:18:22they want you to turn off critical thinking. Sometimes the atmosphere of the church service

00:18:28itself is designed to get your guards down. So you really don't critically think in these types

00:18:35of environments. Well, during the course of the sermon, the minister starts yelling at you

00:18:40and forcibly just verbally attacking this, that, and the other. Well, mentally what happens when this,

00:18:49when you're in that type of environment, your body goes, your mind goes back to the place that you

00:18:53were when a child, when your parents were upset. So you really shut off critical thinking, you become

00:19:00more and more submission. And what it does eventually is, if they can get you to that level

00:19:07where they're beating you down like a, like a stepchild that's being verbally abused, well, they can take

00:19:15full control of your mind. And that's whether they know they're doing it willingly, or whether they've

00:19:20learned this by design, I don't know. But this is a horrific thing that they're doing to the people.

00:19:24That is totally what we had going on at our church. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. And, you know, I,

00:19:34it was very familiar to me, actually, because just, you know, part of my, my story is, you know, I,

00:19:41I grew up in an alcoholic home and dysfunction. And, you know, these things were that so like,

00:19:48my nervous system was very like, Oh, this, I know how to handle this, like shut down,

00:19:52you know, and, and just disengage and do whatever you can to at least, at least it's not being directed

00:20:01at you. Cause sometimes it was like, well, we'd be being yelled at, but they'd be yelling at us about

00:20:07like someone else and what they did, but we'd be like getting all the wrath. Like that person was gone.

00:20:14And they're not even at the church anymore. Like, you know, but we're receiving all the,

00:20:20the, you know, wrath from what, whatever they did, you know? And so that again, it's,

00:20:27you're right. Totally like shuts you down. It is a form of mind control. That is absolutely what

00:20:32they were doing. And, um, and the thing is though, they would preach on mind control and like,

00:20:40you know, to teach about it. And then there's like this huge blind spot that like, this is what's

00:20:45happening in our church, you know? And, but that's, that's how effective it is really.

00:20:51Yeah.

00:20:52So another little just piece of like my journey coming into this church was as, you know, I'm just

00:21:00learning things I'm reading. I'm like, like devouring my Bible. I'm, which I hadn't really

00:21:06done a lot of like previously in my Christian walk. And, but I'm also doing all this research.

00:21:11And one of the things that God did was he brought some people into my life who I became friends with,

00:21:18and I thought they were Christian. And I was like, Oh yeah, these Christian people. And like,

00:21:23but there was something like a little off about them, but they would say some of the same words,

00:21:27but I just was like, what is this? It's just a little different, you know? And so of course I'm like,

00:21:32Lord, what is that? And I just start researching. Cause I'm like, what do they believe? Cause I've

00:21:37always also been fascinated with like cults and like different religions and things like that,

00:21:41just to learn about it. But, um, so maybe God was just trying to give me a good lesson on what

00:21:48cults really are like, no. Um, but I, so basically I found out like, Oh, these people are new age,

00:21:55like, okay. And new age isn't really new. It's old. And like all this stuff and like the origins of it

00:22:00and all the Gnosticism and the divine feminine and like just all these things, right. Christ

00:22:05consciousness and all these things. And I was like, Oh my gosh, these people are not Christian.

00:22:09That was mind blowing to me to, to find out that there's like this, this side of like, you know,

00:22:15basically Satan's kingdom. That is, it looks good. Cause it like, it looks, it looks good. It's the

00:22:22light. It's the false light, you know? Um, but anyway, so I had this kind of base knowledge,

00:22:28which the Gnar is, is part of this whole new age system. Really? I mean, it's really new age

00:22:35with a Christian stamp on it, which I had kind of learned about the Gnar before, but I didn't go

00:22:41that deep with it. I was like, okay, they're, they're doing things that I disagree with. You

00:22:47know, I, they're slaying in the spirit. They're having manifestations that I would, they could call

00:22:53it a manifestation of the Holy spirit. And to me, that's how a demon would manifest, you know?

00:22:58Um, so there were some things and our church, the church that we were at would also say these

00:23:04things. Okay. And, but your video on one of the videos that you did with somebody on Derek

00:23:11Prince, where you talked about how these fractures of these churches, they all say each other

00:23:21does things wrong, you know? And that's where I was like, Oh my gosh. So even though the church

00:23:27that I went to was, it was really small, very insignificant compared to like some of the things

00:23:32that some of the churches that you, you know, talked about on here, um, they still claim like,

00:23:39um, like, I don't know, not descendancy maybe, but like kind of, they claim kind of Derek Prince

00:23:47as like first generation deliverance. And then it's like my pastor after that, you know, but

00:23:57so like in the sixties, there were these men is what they'd say, like Lester Summerall,

00:24:03Frank Hammond, Derek Prince, when, uh, sorry, when Worley, um, that they had this, that God

00:24:12put this call out, you know, basically who's going to take up deliverance, you know, for

00:24:16my people. And anyway, so, and when Worley was my pastor's pastor, um, and so that's kind of how

00:24:27these connections, but Derek Prince is in there somewhere. Like what they always said that Derek

00:24:32Prince was like religious. Yeah. You know, whatever that means for them coming from them.

00:24:38You know, it's odd. I get accused. In fact, I just heard this the other day. I get accused because

00:24:43all of these characters, they're working, maybe not working directly together, but they're building

00:24:50on each other's theology. I think that's the better way to put it. And so there's this weird

00:24:54cross pollination that happens among a bunch of men and women who are literally competitors. And

00:25:01that's why they want to denounce the other guy. They want to become bigger than the other guy.

00:25:05And so in many cases, what happens is they're cross pollinating. They hear of the other doctrines

00:25:11where they start using it. And so you can't really tell the origins of where the doctrines

00:25:15came from. Derek Prince is one of these guys. Everybody says he, he was the greatest thing

00:25:20since sliced bread to some of the people. And you can see it in the comments, but he's networking

00:25:25with a bunch of people who are already doing exactly what he's doing. In fact, William Branham,

00:25:30if you heard the same podcast, William Branham and Gordon Lindsay were setting up schools

00:25:34to help train this deliverance thing. So they were literally training the masses to do exactly

00:25:41what he was doing. Well, he's the, he's the one who rose up and become big enough to become

00:25:46more famous than the others, I guess, but they're all doing the same thing. And then what happens

00:25:52is because of the new age ideas that are being disseminated among the group through various means,

00:26:01you know, William Branham went to spiritual camps, spiritualist camps, and he's learning weird things

00:26:06in the spiritualist camps. Latter Rain actually began with this idea that you could metaphysics,

00:26:14you could basically focus your mind and you could cause things to move in the room. And I've seen

00:26:19testimonies where William Branham came and taught others to move things with their minds. Now, whether

00:26:25you believe this actually happened or not, I don't know. I don't, I technically just, I discount the whole

00:26:31thing, but there's this group of people that are trying it, I think is the way to say it. So

00:26:35metaphysics is not a Christian thing. This is not something that you read about in the Bible,

00:26:39but the men are doing it. And then that built because of the cross pollination of doctrines

00:26:45that builds into other doctrines based off of the metaphysics. So where you end up is you can have this

00:26:52guy over here in this part of the country, who's never heard of this guy over here in the other part

00:26:57of the country, both teaching the same thing because that apostolic network was basically

00:27:03teaching them through the cross pollination of ideas. And that's the power of the NAR. You've got

00:27:09all of these people who have very similar frameworks of theology that is so anti-biblical that it doesn't

00:27:17even look like Christianity, but they're all networked and the networks are supporting them and lifting

00:27:22them up where they sound to the unknowing people as though they're Christian. And the only way to get

00:27:29rid of this is for the unknowing people to start reading their Bibles and see that, you know, that's

00:27:34not the God of the Bible. Yeah. And, you know, I, to your point, you know, people who, you know, love,

00:27:41they love Derek Prince and they love, you know, some of these people and, you know, it's,

00:27:46it's like the best counterfeit has some good in it. The best counterfeit is going to have some truth.

00:27:55And so I like, yes, of course, just like the church that I just left, there were good things

00:28:01there. There were good teachings. I, I did receive deliverance. I know I got deliverance. I, my,

00:28:08my life has changed, you know, since coming into there and then leaving and, um, there were good

00:28:15things, but that doesn't make, that doesn't mean it's all good. Like it's, you're going to eat the

00:28:21whole like sandwich. It's like the truth on the, the bread is truth. And then like, it's like a lie

00:28:28in here and you're eating all of it. And so, um, I don't know. I just, it's like, I've just come

00:28:35to this place where I started seeing that they don't really believe what they, what they themselves

00:28:41preach. Um, like they really would preach on the sovereignty of God and, um, you know, and,

00:28:50and then I saw in practice that they didn't really believe that because in my mind, if we believe God

00:28:55is sovereign and then they would always say, Oh, well, God, God meters out your deliverance,

00:28:59like God's in control of your deliverance. Right. But then they'd get like, if someone left the church,

00:29:05then, Oh my gosh, they are now outside God's will. Like they've, they've somehow they've managed

00:29:12to get themselves outside God's will. They've like fallen, they're shipwrecked. Somehow this has

00:29:17happened. And, you know, because they're not tied to the helm of deliverance for the rest of their life,

00:29:23you know, where I'm reflecting on all this and I'm like, well, wait a minute. Okay. If God's in

00:29:29control of our deliverance, if he's sovereign, you know, Jesus, you know, it is the burden of the

00:29:36Lord to set his people free so that they can serve him, you know, like that is a thing. Um, then

00:29:41why don't we just be happy that we were able to minister to these people while they were here and

00:29:47then let them go and bless them on their way? Like, why did, why does it have to be a thing that when

00:29:51they leave, it's like, now we hear messages for the next two years on all the mistakes that they made

00:29:59and how horrible they were. And Oh, by the way, they're probably witches. And, you know, they're,

00:30:05um, they were tears. They were never of us because they've gone out from us. So they were actually

00:30:10never, they were never, you know, and it's like, why do we have to speak of them that way? If God is

00:30:17sovereign over all of this, I mean, you know, God is going to have his will done in your life. And

00:30:26there is not a demon in the whole Satan's kingdom that is going to keep him from being able to do

00:30:33that. So whether you're in a deliverance church or not getting actual deliverance, God will make

00:30:38sure that you are to the point where you can carry out what he has purposed for you in your life,

00:30:44you know? And so that's like, that's one of the things that can give us peace as Christians,

00:30:49that God is in control and that he, you know, like, so all of these things just started to like,

00:30:56kind of, it was like the cognitive dissonance in my mind. And I just kept seeing it. It was just like,

00:31:01Oh my gosh, like, I can't, why, why do they say these things? Why, you know? And then my heart

00:31:06started being broken for the people that had left and the things that were said about them,

00:31:14that I believed that were just so awful and terrible and like, not true, you know? And I

00:31:21just had to repent. And like, that's the work of the Holy spirit. He was just gently like, Hey,

00:31:28this was not right. You know? And it's like, Oh my gosh. Right. But, um, but something had to crack

00:31:35through that, um, mind control for me. And what that was, was a, at a workshop in September of

00:31:452024, um, there was a prophecy given by our church's prophet, who is the pastor's wife.

00:31:54And that prophecy just, I was like something like it kicked something off in me. Okay. So this was like

00:32:03five years after I had like done all this research on my own. Right. I had joined the church and I was

00:32:12on my deliverance journey and I kind of put that stuff aside because I'm just trying to focus on

00:32:17my, my heart and myself and with the Lord. And, but this, something happened with this,

00:32:24with this prophecy. And I was like, something's not right. And I didn't know what it was,

00:32:29but I started researching the Gnar again. I was like, why am I researching the Gnar? I don't know

00:32:35why, but I was just like going all in on it and learning. I learned about the manifest sons of God

00:32:42and the, um, the sacred purge and like all the new age, just like Alice Bailey, Jane lead, um,

00:32:53all these connections, even going back to the Jesuits where they like wanted the charismatic,

00:32:57um, movement to start. Anyway, just, um, I was finding out all of this stuff and I don't know

00:33:06why I'm researching this because I'm like, okay, I feel like this has something to do with this

00:33:10prophecy. And so I'm sending my pastor like, Hey, I found all this stuff out. Like, this is crazy,

00:33:18right? Like there's a group of people out there and they're like actually a pretty big group of

00:33:21people now. Like they're in churches have their doctrine. They don't even realize it, you know,

00:33:28and like all this stuff. And he didn't, he just, he basically, um, said, I I'm too black and white.

00:33:37All of my, my mind, my brain isn't working. Like I need deliverance. I'm my demons are preventing me

00:33:44from being able to think. And I'm, um, you know, my alcoholic patterns are just, those demons are

00:33:52just really showing right now. And I just need to just get deliverance, sit down and stop researching

00:33:58this stuff. Um, and so time goes on and I, I found out that the source of this prophecy that she gave

00:34:08was actually a NAR prophet, um, Mario Murillo. I don't know. Um, and I found online his

00:34:20prophecy, like he had given this prophecy and her prophecy that she gave to us was verbatim

00:34:28what he had said. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like this is why I'm, and I'm thinking, Oh my God,

00:34:38gosh, this is why I'm, I'm researching the NAR. Like it's not, I'm not being like black and two,

00:34:46two black and white or whatever my pastor is saying. Like I was being led of the spirit to

00:34:51research something that was extremely relevant to what was happening in our church. Right. And so I

00:34:57send this to my pastor. I was like, Hey, Oh my gosh, like, here's the link. This was your wife's

00:35:04message. Here it is right here. And this guy is a NAR guy. I'm like, are you like, do you see what's

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00:36:14So I want to talk so badly about the copying and plagiarizing of prophecies, because that's a common

00:36:19thing that happens. However, you've brought up point number three that I've never talked about.

00:36:24It's a, and I'm surprised that I have not. You brought up the term witch. When you were talking

00:36:31about how they were labeling other people, this is not unique to these cults. This goes far beyond

00:36:37these cults. But if you study the deliverance ministries, how they function, and how they operate,

00:36:45and you are actually familiar with history, and you understand what happened at the Salem witch trials,

00:36:51the two are exactly the same. There were people, mostly women, who were getting into

00:36:59anxiety attacks or states of euphoria, where they were eventually coming down with fits and outbursts

00:37:07and convulsions and whatnot. Well, the understanding of mental health back then was very, very low.

00:37:13So they started saying, well, these people have demons. We need to cast out the demons from these

00:37:18ladies. And one of them had not been attending church. Well, she's an outsider. She's outside of

00:37:27God's will. I mean, that's the phrase that's, I'm laughing because it was commonly used in the Branham

00:37:32circles, but it appears to have been far beyond this. So you have people who are literally claiming

00:37:39that they can see a demon in a person, and they're calling it a witch. They're, you know,

00:37:44different forms of witchcraft, etc. And what happened was it became the term witch hunt.

00:37:52They started going through from person to person trying to see if they could detect these demons,

00:37:57much like the deliverance people. So if you go to a deliverance service, and you come with any sort of

00:38:03sickness, well, that's a demon. If you come with, I said it before, if you come with the hiccups,

00:38:08that's a demon. It's unbelievable. And so they're doing this in the Salem witch trials,

00:38:13and they realize that their power to cast out the demons is not good enough. We need to burn the

00:38:20devil out of them. And so eventually it turned into, I think there were something like, if I remember

00:38:26correctly, it was like 200 people were accused of having this possession, this evil possession.

00:38:34I think it was maybe in the 20s were executed, but obviously they were not witches. And, you know,

00:38:42I'll get feedback for that, so I'll qualify that statement. Most of the people who were either

00:38:49executed or accused were regular church members that were attending churches who were Christians who

00:38:55were being accused, but they had a mental health, like it turned into this mental health crisis,

00:39:01because people were breaking out in convulsions, etc. There's a lot of anxiety, and anxiety was

00:39:06probably fueling a lot of it. So if you compare what happened historically there, now compare it to

00:39:12what's happening in deliverance ministries now, they're going and pointing fingers at people saying

00:39:17they have, you have this demon possession, you sister have the hiccups, that's a devil, it's going to

00:39:22get out of you. And I mentioned those wedges that are drawn between the two people. Well, if you're

00:39:27married to a spouse that has a demon, oh my gosh, I don't want to be married to a spouse that has a

00:39:32demon. So people start thinking in ways that they should never be thinking, and it turns into a witch

00:39:38hunt. So historically, it's basically history repeating itself into this thing. Now, combine that

00:39:48with what you just said about the power of the NAR. All of these networks, they're all doing the same

00:39:54thing. When news begins to spread through these networks, oh my gosh, this church, they have

00:39:59several demons. Let's call our most famous demon hunter, the deliverance minister, and they bring

00:40:05him in. I have no doubt that's how Derek Prince got his fame. He started being the one that they were

00:40:11asking to come cast the demons out of the churches. And it turns into the Salem witch trials, but on a

00:40:17much, much more national scale. And that's what's happening here.

00:40:20Yeah, totally. And it's really sad, too, because I know if any of the members of the church I was just

00:40:31at, if they were to see this video and see me having a conversation like this, I just know they would say,

00:40:39oh, Audrey, the veil has just come back over her eyes. She is just for questioning things and just

00:40:50not blindly, like, okay, can we just talk about this stuff? You know, like when you're in there,

00:40:56you can't, you can't, you can't really question it because like questions are allowed to a certain

00:41:03extent. But once you, there's like a line that you can cross and it mainly has to do with if there

00:41:11are any problems with the way things are being taught or the type of thing being taught, like if

00:41:16you can prove that, hey, this is, is that really what the Bible says? You know, then you're just,

00:41:21oh, you're just being religious. Oh, your lawyer spirits are really, you know, you got to get

00:41:26deliverance and they don't actually address what you're bringing up. You know, they just gaslight

00:41:32you. They're just like gaslight you. And then you don't even know if, and then like I, it was

00:41:37confusing for me when it was happening to me, because that's what my pastor did to me where,

00:41:41when I was bringing, when I even said, here is her message right here. This is the NAR message that

00:41:46she gave. And he just was like, he said, Audrey, we are not in the NAR. And I was like, I know. I

00:41:56mean, I, I thought I was like, yeah, you're not getting what I'm saying. I'm, I'm at this point,

00:42:01I'm thinking, oh my gosh, they're, they're listening to people and being influenced by people

00:42:07who are in the NAR. Now that I'm out and I've had more time to think about it, I'm like,

00:42:11they're like in it, like they're like more, they're more so in it. But anyway, he just,

00:42:17he went back to, I really just think it's your black and white thinking, Audrey, you really got

00:42:22to work on that, you know? And it's just, and doesn't address, I'm like, yeah, but what about

00:42:26this prophecy? Like if I had known this was her source, I would have run for the hills and not

00:42:33even given it another thought. Like we are to mark these people and avoid them and, you know,

00:42:38like these false prophets. And so it's like, it's not like they're not just, um, they're not just

00:42:46fellow sheep with bad, with like some bad doctrine, like they're wolves in sheep's clothing. Like it's,

00:42:54it's not just like there are brothers and sisters and they're just a little deceived, you know?

00:42:59Yeah. When I was talking about the witch trials, I think I even said it incorrectly because it's so

00:43:03commonly said that the women were burned at the stake. That's actually not what happened in

00:43:08Salem. That did happen, I think in Europe, but in the United States, I don't think there was a

00:43:14single burning. If I remember correctly, what happened was there were a few that were executed

00:43:18and there were some who died, who were kept captive and they were just kept separate from the other

00:43:25people. I think maybe in a jail or something like this, they were branded essentially. And there were

00:43:31people who were treated so poorly that they died while imprisoned. Well, if you consider the way that

00:43:38the cult treats the people who question, the people who, you know, if you engage any critical

00:43:43thinking at all, well, that's a demon, that's a demon, that's spiritual possession. And so what

00:43:49they do is they, they label people and they brand them just like they do in the witch trials.

00:43:53And so you become, even mentally, you become isolated from the other people. You're like,

00:43:58oh my gosh, do I really have a demon? And the other people who aren't aware, they're like,

00:44:03well, he says that this person has a demon. I need to stay clear of this person. And so it causes

00:44:09this separation that's, it's even worse than an Amish shunning. In an Amish shunning, there is no,

00:44:16I guess there are some cases where there are, but I have seen some cases where the Amish are shunning

00:44:20people and it's just because they want to go live out in the world. They don't associate this with a

00:44:25demon possession. They just associate this with rebellion. And so the person is still human.

00:44:30In these deliverance ministries, the person is actually dehumanized in the same way that they

00:44:36were in the Salem witch trials. Yeah. Because you can, like, he can always say to me, oh, it's

00:44:43your alcoholic patterns, you know? And I'm like, well, how much deliverance do I need before I can

00:44:48actually use my brain? You know? Because like, I, like, are you in charge of that? Like, how do I

00:44:56know? You know? I don't know. Yeah. It's, it was, um, it was a lot too, but, but that false prophecy,

00:45:05that prophecy that led me down that trail for that connected with the Gnar. And then I found out all

00:45:10this other stuff about the Gnar was what cracked through the, the mind control for me. And that's

00:45:18when I started, like, I separate, I just like pulled back a little emotionally so I could just

00:45:24see like, okay, I'm just gonna, I'm still gonna. So I'm a distance member. I was a distance member.

00:45:31So like the church is in Colorado, I live in Kansas. So we would just tune in. So that was a benefit

00:45:39to me because I wasn't there. I mean, I was just, I mean, even though I wasn't there though,

00:45:45oh my gosh, the control was still like insane, but at least I wasn't going, seeing in person,

00:45:53you know, but I would go out to these workshops like a couple of times a year. So, but anyway,

00:45:58um, I started just pulling back. I would still tune in and we'd still watch church and pray and like,

00:46:04do all these things that like we normally did, but it was just like, it was just always there.

00:46:09And then I started to see other things, you know, I was like, Hey, you know, like he told a story

00:46:14that he's told a million times and it's a story that every time he tells it brings tears to his eyes,

00:46:21you know? And I was just like, those are fake tears. Like that's not real. You know? And I'm

00:46:28just like, Oh my gosh. And I just, I just started like, it just, it was just a little by little after

00:46:33that. And then I started to think more about how we treated people when they left. Like that was kind

00:46:38of what came next. And then I reached out to some people who, who had left because I was like,

00:46:44I'm not afraid to talk to these people. Like I've just been told not to talk to them and to cut them,

00:46:50like, not just to not talk to them, completely cut them out of your life, like block them,

00:46:56like burn, get rid of anything that they gave you. Like just cut them out and don't ever talk to them.

00:47:02Um, and, um, so I started contacting those people and I was like, Hey, what, what happened? You know,

00:47:09what happened when you left? And because we were told you were a witch, you know, and I repented to

00:47:17them to ask for forgiveness because I believed these things, you know, even though I knew these people,

00:47:23um, when they were at our church, like I knew them and I loved them, you know? Um, so that was

00:47:30really heartbreaking for me to see like how far you'll go, like, but you never would have behaved

00:47:37that way. Um, but thank, thank God he, he pulled me out of it and he, you know, my heart was not

00:47:44hardened. Um, he could still get to me and, and prick me with that conviction, you know? So I'm just

00:47:51really thankful for that. So you've brought up yet another thing that I've never talked about.

00:47:56This is a, this is a podcast of firsts for anybody who was never in this thing. We have a lot of

00:48:02viewers and listeners who are just curious. What is this mess? What is this weird thing? The NAR?

00:48:09And so they have no clue that this is actually a thing, but there are people who are programmed,

00:48:15manipulated, and fully controlled from remote. I've, I was in remote churches. I was in churches

00:48:22where the church was actually miles and miles and miles away. And sometimes we would have an audio

00:48:28feed only. Sometimes we would travel to it, but remote controlled. I mean, literally remote controlled

00:48:34and much like you, I, uh, and interestingly, one of the places that I lived was in Kansas,

00:48:41very close to Joplin, Missouri. And the church we went to was way off in the Ozarks. It was like an

00:48:47hour and a half drive. So this was pretty remote for us, but much like you, I, um, I noticed the,

00:48:55the fakeness of it because, and I have told this story before I went to a, some sort of a revival

00:49:03thing down in Georgia and, um, they had just rebuilt the church and my kids were a little bit

00:49:09unruly. The, the interesting part about unruliness in these Pentecostal type circles,

00:49:16your kids get severely beaten because they strongly want you to spare the rod and spoil the child.

00:49:22I refused to do this. And so instead I took my kid who had sat through this long, long sermon. He

00:49:29couldn't sit anymore. Took my son downstairs. Well, they had a, this was unusual, but they had a men's

00:49:36room for taking your children down. That was comfortable. They had a recliner and they had

00:49:42a big screen TV where I could watch the sermon. So I, I was up in the audience with all of this

00:49:48euphoria that you get in these, you know, screaming and your, your, your brain is in, it's almost like

00:49:55you're in a football game. That's, that's kind of the excitement that it brings you. Well, then I,

00:50:00I leave this euphoria and I go and I watch it on TV and I've got the volume a little bit low so I can

00:50:05talk to my son. Well, then I'm looking at it and I'm like, this looks so fake. These guys are faking

00:50:12it. And that was the first time it had ever hit me when I'm watching it on TV instead of actually

00:50:17being in the audience, feeling what the audience is feeling. Yeah. That is, I mean, yeah. Once you see

00:50:24it and you just have that little bit of separation, um, that's when you're really engaging your mind,

00:50:33you're engaging your mind and you're thinking critically and objectively and, um, for yourself.

00:50:41Yeah. And there, like I said, there's like, you know, experiences that I had in that church that

00:50:46I really can't explain. I mean, I've been through some deliverance sessions where I know a demon was

00:50:54cast out of me. Like, I mean, I guess, I guess I'm open to the idea that it wasn't like, I don't know,

00:51:00like I, something happened and I changed, I'm different. Like, but it's not just the deliverance.

00:51:05It's like also the truth being poured in through God's word and learning more about who he is and

00:51:12his love for me. And because, you know, growing up in the home that I did, you know, and I love my

00:51:18family dearly. Um, but it was what it was, you know? And, you know, I, I had a lot of really bad,

00:51:26like wrong belief systems that were really bad and they did not line up with God's word.

00:51:31And in that aspect, our church that we were at, they gave messages that were very focused on,

00:51:40um, addressing your heart and addressing your, your, your belief systems. So that's why I say to,

00:51:47like, um, and then, and then comparing them with the word of God. So that's where we really got a lot

00:51:52of actual, I think it was pretty good meat. Now there was a lot of like junk in there too.

00:51:57I know there was, but that's why I say too, that there, they would preach. If you really did what

00:52:04they said, you would be preached out of their church. If you, if you, if the reins of control

00:52:08were broken off of you and their tactics of control and manipulation no longer affected you.

00:52:15And that's the key because you're not like, if they're still affecting you, then you, you could be

00:52:20getting all these great messages and hearing truth. That's really truth, but you're still like

00:52:26bound by their control. And like, they're these puppet masters in your life. Like there was a girl

00:52:32who, you know, she did something and ended up being like, maybe something she regretted. And our,

00:52:38the pastor was like, well, he should, she should have asked her pastor if that was a good idea,

00:52:44you know? And it's like, so you want us to just come to you and ask, like literally ask you for

00:52:50everything. But at the same time, you want us to be led of the Holy spirit and you want us to seek

00:52:55the Lord for everything. So it's like, it was just this, what is the word like duplicitous, like kind

00:53:03of, or like a paradox or something. I don't know if that's the right word either, but it just,

00:53:12it was confusing. It's confusion. Cause you're like, well, you're saying to do this, but then you,

00:53:17but you actually are expecting us to do this and it conflicts. So, um, so yeah. So then, um,

00:53:27after the, the false, um, prophecy, I, I really, I didn't know what to do. Cause I, I was really

00:53:37broken because of the way he was treating me and I was sobbed. I, it really wrecked me. This was the

00:53:41first time that I had been treated this way. Really? Like he had been really a positive thing

00:53:48in my life up until this point, I thought, you know? Um, and I would, I was sobbing and I was

00:53:54crying out to the Lord and I was just like, word, like heal me. Like, this is really hurting, you

00:53:59know? And for the first time ever in my life, I heard it's, it's okay. You're going to be okay.

00:54:06You know? And I had this like part of me that was, um, mature and could comfort myself in the

00:54:16midst of like heartbreak, which I hadn't in my life really had that before. And that was just

00:54:23really fruit for me, like fruit of growth in the Lord and maturing. But meanwhile, my pastor was

00:54:30telling me that I have an arrested conscience and, and my, I can't, my I'm arrested. I'm like

00:54:37a baby. I'm like a babe in Christ because I'm pursuing this and researching this and keep bringing

00:54:43this to him. And I won't let it go. I'm like, I, my conscience is arrested. And I'm like, well,

00:54:49I'm experiencing the opposite of that. I'm experiencing a mature mind, you know, a developed,

00:54:55um, conscience, you know? And so it was just really, and I was like, Lord, you're going

00:55:02to have to judge between us because I feel like powerless right now. And at this point

00:55:06I had the thought in my mind, I was like, well, what's the worst thing that could happen?

00:55:12Like I, I leave the church. Like that's the worst thing that could happen. And that's the

00:55:16first time I ever would have, I mean, I've never had that thought before. Like, no, I would

00:55:21never leave this church never, you know? And then I, it just kind of plopped out of my

00:55:26mouth when I was talking to my husband and I was like, not really bothered by it. Like

00:55:32when it came out, which it kind of stopped me and it was like, yeah, I mean, that's the

00:55:38worst that could happen. And I, I think that'd be okay.

00:55:42There's this interesting vicious cycle that happens when you're in these movements that if

00:55:47you're not in this and you've never been in it, you don't understand it, but the ministers

00:55:52put you through such mental anguish that you become mentally distressed. And the interesting

00:55:59part of this is, so the Bible mentions demons and the Bible talks about demon possession,

00:56:04et cetera. There are people who believe that any sort of mental health issue is also a demon

00:56:10because the way that the authors of the Bible, the way that they understood mental health issues

00:56:15was we don't understand this. This is a demon. So there's this whole group of Christians that

00:56:19believe that mental anguish, mental health issues is demonic. And especially in these

00:56:25groups, they believe this, but yet at the same time, the ministers are putting people into that

00:56:30position. So if you really think about what they believe and what they're doing, they're

00:56:34causing the demons that they're delivering people from. Well, what happens over time? And this

00:56:41is something that it's difficult really to explain to people if you've never been in it,

00:56:46but what happens over time, you become so oppressed and mentally distressed that you start to feel

00:56:53deliverance in different areas because they're pushing you down to such a level that they'll lift

00:56:59you up in one other area. And so suddenly you feel this thing. What you're feeling is this release.

00:57:05You're feeling this release in your head that's happening that some, you know, out of all the mental

00:57:10distress you have now, I've got one area that's free. One area is better. And you start to look

00:57:14at the deliverance minister as though he's some magician. He's cured you of this demon. But in fact,

00:57:21he's usually the one that caused it or put it there, he or she, if you're in this type of movement.

00:57:27But it is a horrific thing to go through and people don't understand how bad this is. And again,

00:57:34they're causing the very thing that they say they're casting out in many cases. So in fact,

00:57:39this would make them a devil. This would, this would make them the witch or the warlock, right?

00:57:43If you could go back in time and give yourself some advice while you're in this and some encouragement

00:57:49that you would finally one day leave, what advice would you give yourself?

00:57:53Cling to Jesus. Cling to Jesus.

00:57:57That's all I can say. I mean, it's only God who can, who can get anyone out really. I mean,

00:58:08yeah, cling to Jesus and, and don't let any person come between you and the Lord.

00:58:17Because I, I really feel like I, I felt like I was following my pastor, following Christ, right?

00:58:25That's how it was in my mind. But I always maintained connection with the Lord and made sure I took my

00:58:33own ownership of my own faith with God himself and didn't just, you know, listen to the pastor

00:58:41on everything.

00:58:42Well, it's very good advice. Thank you so much for doing this.

00:58:46Thank you so much for having me.

00:58:48Well, if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.

00:58:52You can find us at william-branham.org. For more about the dark side of the new apostolic

00:58:57reformation, you can read Weaponized Religion from Christian Identity to the NAR. Available on Amazon,

00:59:03Kindle, and Audible.

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