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In this powerful discussion, John Collins and McKinnon expose how NAR theology (and message theology) subtly shifts the focus from Christ’s finished work on the cross to man-centered doctrines that promise hidden knowledge, new revelation, and even the ability to become a god. They show how claims about “attributes,” the Logos, and end-time mysteries gradually erode biblical teaching and authority, eventually making followers dependent on a human prophet rather than Scripture itself.
As the conversation continues, they reveal why diminishing the eternal deity of Jesus is not just a theological error — it’s a doorway into manipulation, elitism, and spiritual abuse. When believers are told that they were eternal thoughts of God, equal in nature to Jesus, the message no longer leads people to the cross, but into works, striving, and fear of losing divine status. The episode calls listeners back to biblical faith, the sufficiency of Christ, and the simple gospel that brings true freedom.
00:00 Introduction
02:35 Rewriting DNA and the Birth of “Little Gods” Doctrine
05:10 Ye Are Gods: Branham’s Claim to Divinity
09:00 The Cross Removed: Man-Centered Theology Exposed
12:00 The Humanization of God and the Variance Between Truth and Fiction
17:20 Cult Mechanics: Exclusive Truth and Mind Control
22:00 Positive Confession and Brainwashing in Charismatic Movements
27:30 How the Message Distorts the Person of Christ
33:00 The Logos Doctrine and the Diminishing of Jesus
37:40 Thought as God: Worshiping the Mind Instead of the Creator
43:20 Branham’s Contradictions About Christ’s Nature
47:00 Jesus as “Just a Man” Until Baptism—The False Gospel
51:20 Undermining Christ’s Divinity: The Final Heresy
53:00 Conclusion and Closing Thoughts
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As the conversation continues, they reveal why diminishing the eternal deity of Jesus is not just a theological error — it’s a doorway into manipulation, elitism, and spiritual abuse. When believers are told that they were eternal thoughts of God, equal in nature to Jesus, the message no longer leads people to the cross, but into works, striving, and fear of losing divine status. The episode calls listeners back to biblical faith, the sufficiency of Christ, and the simple gospel that brings true freedom.
00:00 Introduction
02:35 Rewriting DNA and the Birth of “Little Gods” Doctrine
05:10 Ye Are Gods: Branham’s Claim to Divinity
09:00 The Cross Removed: Man-Centered Theology Exposed
12:00 The Humanization of God and the Variance Between Truth and Fiction
17:20 Cult Mechanics: Exclusive Truth and Mind Control
22:00 Positive Confession and Brainwashing in Charismatic Movements
27:30 How the Message Distorts the Person of Christ
33:00 The Logos Doctrine and the Diminishing of Jesus
37:40 Thought as God: Worshiping the Mind Instead of the Creator
43:20 Branham’s Contradictions About Christ’s Nature
47:00 Jesus as “Just a Man” Until Baptism—The False Gospel
51:20 Undermining Christ’s Divinity: The Final Heresy
53:00 Conclusion and Closing Thoughts
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
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– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham
– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ
– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org
– Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg
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00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:41at william-branham.org.
00:43And with me, I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, John McKinnon, author of The Persuasive
00:48Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
00:52John, it's good to be back and to take another deep dive into this heresy that you've been
00:58doing.
00:59I was looking through what we're going to talk about today, and I'm remembering some
01:04conversations that I've had in the not so long, long ago past, different people of different
01:12groups, different cult groups that have kind of borrowed the same doctrines.
01:16And each one had some leader or set of leaders that claimed that they had this divine revelation
01:23and this doctrine, you know, they were telling me exactly the things that you and I are going
01:27to talk about.
01:29And I'll never forget the look on their face.
01:31I'm talking to them, and I'm saying, well, yeah, I had these recordings from William Branham
01:35from 1947 to 1965.
01:38And then I could quote Branham and talk about the things, and they're jaw dropped.
01:43They're like, oh my gosh, you mean back in the 40s and 50s?
01:47And I'm like, yeah, you know, nothing is new under the sun.
01:51And these people who are claiming divine revelation, most of them, they're loony.
01:57They're just, you know, some of them are just making stuff up.
02:00But there are people who are meticulously going through to find the deepest, darkest,
02:06most sinister heresy, and then revise it a little bit, twist it a little bit, repackage it, put
02:13a new bow on it, and then feed it to their congregations as something new.
02:17And I'm just, you know, when I look at this, I'm a little shocked that it continues, and
02:23even more shocked that congregations of people allow it to continue.
02:27There has to come a point when people actually start reading their Bibles, and they say, no,
02:31no, no, we're not going to do this anymore.
02:33You can't feed me this garbage.
02:35I'm not going to take it, but we're going to be talking about some garbage again.
02:40And not long ago, I did this podcast with Adam, and we were talking about Bill Johnson
02:47at Bethel Church, and how when you become a Christian, he says, Bill Johnson says, it
02:53rewrites your DNA.
02:55You become the DNA, you have the DNA of a different person.
02:59And so many alarm bells are going off, man.
03:02You know, you can tie that, the way that he packaged that, the way that he put that bow
03:08on this big pile of stuff, you can literally take multiple doctrines of William Branham and
03:15package it up with that same package, rewriting your DNA.
03:18I'm thinking the serpent seed.
03:19You can rewrite your DNA in this manner.
03:22All of this, you know, the manifest sons of God.
03:25That's a pretty package for DNA.
03:28And what we're getting into today, we're going to be diving into the ye are gods theology.
03:34And, you know, it's sad because I grew up thinking this way.
03:39We were little gods.
03:41And whether the cult likes to admit it or not, that's what was being pushed.
03:46It was being pushed that William Branham said it like this.
03:49He said, I've had, and this is him quoting, this is heresy, this is awful that I'm about
03:54to say.
03:55So no, this is his words, not mine.
03:57But he says something to the effect, I've had more miracles in my ministry than Jesus
04:01Christ ever did in all of his years on the earth.
04:04And I've only, you know, I've only been in the ministry so many years.
04:08He is bragging that he is better than Jesus.
04:12That's how bad this heresy gets.
04:14But then take it a step further, he is telling the people that I've done this thing.
04:19I'm, I'm greater than Jesus.
04:20I'm bigger than Jesus and you can do it too.
04:23Let me show you how.
04:24And then he put this carrot on a string for people to follow and nobody ever got to the
04:30carrot.
04:30They were just following the carrot on the string that's hanging from the stick.
04:34I was one of these people, man.
04:36I thought I could speak things into existence just like he told me I could.
04:40I thought I could heal the sick, all of this stuff.
04:42And when it comes right down to it, Branham was just one in a long line of men spewing
04:48the same heresy.
04:49Branham, there was really nothing new with Branham, but he's spitting out the same heretical
04:55statements over and over.
04:57And they're copying other people who were also heretics.
05:00And you've got this long transition of heresy molding and shaping and repackaging and selling
05:07to the public.
05:08And, you know, that's what we're going to be talking about today.
05:11We're going to be talking about pure heresy.
05:13Hello, John.
05:14It's great to be back with you again and do another show and spend this time exploring,
05:21you know, William Branham's concepts and teaching of the seeds of adoption.
05:25And that's what we've been exploring in the last couple of episodes here.
05:28And just want to do more deep diving into all the avenues it's going to.
05:33I don't want to rush this, of course, as I said before, because it takes quite a while
05:38to present enough of it, you know, so you can fully explain it and understand it.
05:43And second, you know, this teaching and all of its avenues that it tends to go down is really
05:48the heart of message teaching.
05:49And that's what I really want people to understand as we're diving into the message of William
05:56Branham.
05:57But also, I know you can take it and relate it to other groups as well.
06:01And of course, what you've been focusing on is probably the New Apostolic Reformation.
06:07And certainly a lot of these message teachings have made their way in there.
06:12But other groups have taken just portions of it and used it for their own ends.
06:15And I want to say the doctrine is so subtle.
06:19You know, it does use a lot of scriptures, but it does morph those into something that
06:25scripture is not really saying, I believe.
06:28And so it's very subtle.
06:29But while I was studying on this episode today, John, writing down my notes, I got even a more
06:35clearer picture, you know, where this originated within the Christian church.
06:39And actually, if you want to really look at where it came from, we could take it back to
06:43when Satan fell and then to the Garden of Eden when he was persuading Adam and Eve to disobey
06:50the Word of God and become like gods.
06:53You know, that will be clear when we get to that.
06:55And it's quite interesting.
06:57And I've got some interesting things to say about that.
06:59But the doctrine that we're focusing on here, though, when you take it to its core,
07:05it's man-centered.
07:06It's rather than being God-centered.
07:08Although much lip service is given to God and Jesus and all these things, they sound
07:15good.
07:15But Jesus Christ, as being God's eternal son, is not seen for who he really is, that he
07:22is the one true God from eternity past before there was anything.
07:26You know, the Bible said he, being the Logos, was with God in John 1.1.
07:30So we're going to explore that today as well.
07:33And I've got some really good information from ministers and what they've said about
07:38that to share there, especially from basically just one who was well-known within the message
07:44ranks.
07:45So when you get caught up into the man-centered doctrine here, it just leads you off to deep
07:50ends.
07:50Sends the people out into many trails, even ministers that go nowhere.
07:55And they do give you a warped view of who God is.
07:58But in the end, the main focus of all this is the preaching no longer is the cross of
08:04Christ.
08:06And I believe once the cross of Christ is not central, you know, to every sermon where
08:10you could bring it back to the work of Jesus Christ, the church is off on a trail that will
08:16take you nowhere.
08:17But if we stay with what Paul taught in the New Testament, as well as other writers in
08:21the New Testament, you know, the cross is central to everything he taught.
08:25Everything else flows from the death of Christ and his resurrection.
08:28And everything that God did, that was the central message of Scripture.
08:33Message ministers will mention the cross and remind the people they needed the cross, but
08:38it's certainly not central in most churches.
08:40The life of a Christian, you know, to them is how they live the Christian life is just
08:45a journey to see either on one side and the prosperity gospel side, how much they can
08:50get from God or how much they can manipulate God through his laws or how you can even become
08:56a God and even to the point of being part of their Godhead as a God.
09:00So I'm really excited that we can explain, you know, these concepts to people because
09:05I really hope many message people will finally understand what is being taught to them because
09:10it can be difficult.
09:11It can be difficult to see how it deviates from the Bible.
09:14But I think if people really believe Jesus to be God, they wouldn't be following these
09:19teachings that bring Christ down to their level or bring themselves up to his level.
09:24You know, we're just God's created beings.
09:27The person of God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, you know, was never created.
09:31The Godhead never had a beginning.
09:32So William Branham contradicts this by saying sons have beginnings.
09:36And we'll see that here shortly.
09:38But that beginning may only be true when we're talking about the human birth.
09:42I would agree with that, even the birth of the body of Jesus, but not when we're talking
09:47about Godhead being Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
09:49That's the big difference here.
09:52And message teaching is also very clear on the subject and how they view it.
09:55So John, looking forward to getting into this with you today.
09:59Absolutely.
10:00You know, I really struggled when I first came to terms with the fact that my entire foundation
10:06was built on a doctrine that was solely intended to humanize God.
10:12That, for me, once I understood the implications of that, how heretical this is, but the severe
10:20consequences of this, trying to humanize God, it has to be offensive to God.
10:26I mean, I can't look at this any other way.
10:29And so when you understand that what William Branham taught was slightly different from even
10:35Oneness Pentecostals during the times when his stage persona was Oneness Pentecostal, there
10:40was the slight variance, and it was just slightly different.
10:44It became something that was new even to the Oneness Pentecostals.
10:48Then when he's speaking to Trinitarians, it's slightly different.
10:52It's a variant.
10:53He's the times when he's praying to the, you know, to the persons of the Holy Spirit, the
10:59Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
11:01He's praying to the persons.
11:02But even in his prayers or whenever he's referencing this, it's just slightly different.
11:08And so people who are not understanding sound theology, they hear this and, well, this is
11:15different than I understand.
11:16Maybe it's new.
11:17Maybe it's something either new or maybe I'm incorrect.
11:20And they start going that direction.
11:21The problem is because William Branham ridiculed theologians and theology and because he was
11:29appealing to an audience who, you know, largely they didn't know theology.
11:34They didn't know sound theology.
11:35Some of them were largely uneducated.
11:37And he's appealing to these people by taking God and making God more simplified, but even
11:45more humanized.
11:46So he's basically, he's making God more relatable by humanizing God.
11:52Then once he has humanized God, as we said before, now he tells you that you too can become
11:57like this.
11:58God has come down to our level.
11:59We can rise up above his level.
12:02And that really floored me when I began to understand this.
12:06This is awful.
12:07This is, this is heresy.
12:09Now take today's world.
12:11You mentioned, and it's true.
12:13I am diving deep into the new apostolic reformation.
12:16Once you understand that, that foundation that was laid, what, what was he doing?
12:21He was teaching a variant of truth.
12:24So here's the truth and let's twist it just a little bit, make it a little bit different,
12:28more appealing, new, exciting, whatever.
12:31I want to know what the variance is.
12:33And that's why I, you know, I, at this point I could care less to even study Branham, but
12:38I want to study what is the variance between what he said and what is the truth or what he
12:43said, and what is the actual history, what he said, and what is the actual Bible, because
12:48so many ministries took that variance, that variance between truth and fiction, and then
12:55they built their ministries on top of the variance.
12:57Then other ministries came, they built their ministries on top of that variance.
13:01So you have this entire empire that has been built that is literally built upon the variance
13:08between truth and fiction.
13:09And all of this comes back to, like I said before, it comes back to these recordings that
13:15we have that I grew up with.
13:16And so it's fascinating to me to, to dive into this.
13:20John, that's so true.
13:21And I tell you, as we get more into this, we're going to, it's going to boggle the minds
13:25here of your listeners today.
13:27But I want to go back to what I pointed out last time about the person of God being made
13:32up of attributes.
13:33And we quoted a minister, let him speak about what he was saying about that.
13:38But, you know, if the person of God is only made up of attributes and you and Jesus and
13:43the bride are just attributes to varying degrees, you know, some is more important and some
13:47less important, then, then you begin to see yourself as God.
13:51You know, the message teaches you that since you bypassed the word body, and that's what
13:56they, they call it, you know, you were a thought, but you just bypassed the theophany
14:01word body that you should have had.
14:03That's why you came into these sinful bodies.
14:05You just don't remember it, that you were really part of God.
14:09So Jesus, of course, wasn't like that.
14:12He came in, in his theophany body in the beginning, and then he was born in flesh.
14:16So he didn't have the sinful nature we had, according to how message teaches this.
14:21And the message, of course, is just trying to bring you back to that memory by revealing
14:26mysteries, you know, through the prophet, you know, William Branham.
14:29That's really the essence of the whole thing here.
14:32And, you know, that's the reason the cults, you know, bypass the Bible and go off into errors,
14:37because they have this belief that their leader has the full truth.
14:42You know, even if it contradicts everything currently believed by the Christian church,
14:45and just to show how they leap into this belief in the message, I'm going to quote something
14:51that this minister that we quoted last time goes on to say, and they all have to bring
14:55this in.
14:56We'll find this in this other minister soon that I'll quote a different one.
15:00But they bring in things to try to support, you know, their belief in William Branham to
15:06be the prophet.
15:06So he says, Revelations 10, 7 tells us that during the days of the voice of the seventh
15:12angel, when he should begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he's
15:16declared to his servants the prophets.
15:19So consequently, it was an unknown thing until this age.
15:23He emphasizes, of course, our time.
15:25Many have probed at it, come, and so we're not trying in any way to put down what people's
15:31always believed or previous believed.
15:32That's not the idea.
15:33The idea is we want to share with you what God has done in this age in unveiling scripture.
15:40So in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, that it would be, of course, the same
15:43angel that is in the messenger of the last church of Revelations 3, 14.
15:47It says, under the angel of the church of Laodicea, that's the seventh church age, seventh
15:52Gentile church.
15:53We see this mystery of God is reserved until this unveiling is to take place in the voice
16:01of the seventh angel.
16:02The issue is God has done something new, and we just want to share with you what God has
16:07done in this age.
16:08So just before the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, God has graciously sent us a
16:13thus saith the Lord on many biblical things, points that are essential to our faith in
16:18preparation for the next really big event in God's program.
16:21This age is required to have a faith unlike any previous age before because no other age
16:29had to believe for a change in their body, the meeting in the air, the rapture.
16:33So this is the first age that has to have the faith to believe that.
16:38So consequently, a very special message had to come forth to bring a very pure word, to
16:45bring a very pure faith to prepare people for the second coming.
16:48So we see in what he said here, he's trying to support there's been some new message brought
16:54to bring a new kind of faith just so that you can get a body change.
17:00And all this teaching runs together, and we've shown how they're bringing it down.
17:05But really, there's only one faith.
17:08And really, when you're born again, you have that one faith.
17:10You don't need some other message, some new message, as he says, that comes, or was there
17:17something to be revealed in this age only to a people so they can have a body change?
17:21No.
17:22No, when you've believed in the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation and God has saved
17:26you, he's given you the faith that saves, the faith that he's granted to you, you know,
17:32you have that faith without any additional message.
17:36You know, you don't have to believe in these seed doctrines like we've been talking about.
17:40So, but that's how they hook you in, is they try to get you to believe there's something
17:44special going on.
17:45But I'll say this, you know, once a cult gets a person to believe that God has sent a special
17:50person, you know, with gifts or signs, where they only have the true interpretation of
17:55scripture, then the person's mind becomes totally brainwashed, and the mind control sets in.
18:01And it's hard to, you just can't get out of that very easily.
18:04So I understand where everybody is.
18:05Because their critical thinking just goes out the window, and we're no longer using
18:10the scripture then as our guidebook.
18:12And we're only using the sayings of the gifted person's words as speaking for God straight
18:17from the throne of God, as the voice of God for our guide.
18:21And that comes always before scriptures.
18:25Even William Branham says, I read between the lines of scripture.
18:28So he's not really reading what the scripture says.
18:30He's only trying to say what he thinks scripture says between the lines.
18:34He's creating his own scripture, in other words.
18:37So whatever the prophet says is true, even if it contradicts scripture.
18:41And so until a person just resets their authority structure, you know, back to scriptures, they
18:46will remain in this mind control.
18:48There's no way to get out of it.
18:49You have to put scripture as your first priority.
18:52And that's really what happened to me, is when I began to minister, I put scripture as my
18:57first priority.
18:57I said, I have nothing to say, no man has anything to say except what God has said in
19:02his word and his scriptures.
19:03You can't read between the lines and try to interpret what scripture is saying.
19:08You have to say it exactly as it says.
19:10So when I use that as my guidepost, then I ran into conflict with the message.
19:17So these groups, John, tend to do several things.
19:20And I'll list them out here.
19:22They have an exclusive truth or revealed truth, not previously known.
19:26And I would say that's not so because the apostles had that exclusive truth that was revealed
19:32in the first century when they, when, when, when Jesus appointed them and they had the
19:38only truth that we ever will need to know.
19:41And these, these groups also say, you must know this truth to be in the elect.
19:46But I'll say again, the apostles gave out the only truth that was to be for the elect
19:50people.
19:51And then they'll say, this truth is the most pure form of word is ever known.
19:56They'll, and that's what we just heard this minister saying.
19:59He said, is the guy to have a real pure word to be a real pure bride?
20:04But I'll say we already have the real, real pure word in the word of God in the scriptures.
20:10We don't need someone to come try to tell us what it means because it means what it says.
20:14And they'll also say, well, doomsday is just around the corner and these things are going
20:20to happen very soon in our time, such as maybe the rapture.
20:25But Jesus also says, no one knows the day nor the hour.
20:30And they also say, we heard this minister say that requires you to have a different faith
20:34or a faith like no one else has.
20:36Well, well, John, if God has not already given you the faith, you'll never have it anyway.
20:42And this is more of a works-based, man-centered gospel, because if you're trying to attain
20:48under that faith and you don't have it already because you've been saved, then it's a lost
20:53cause because you'll never attain it by works.
20:56And over and over, even in this message of adoption that we see, there's a tinge of works
21:01in there.
21:02There's always a tinge of works in William Branham's preaching.
21:05He's always preaching about you've got to have everything sealed up and correctly, and
21:09the Father has to inspect you and make sure you're okay before you're finally sealed even
21:14with the Holy Spirit.
21:15So that's totally contrary.
21:17If you go through the book of Galatians, and I've been going through that recently, you
21:21know, you'll find that it's always faith without works and without one thing that you can do.
21:27So that's how these groups get you in.
21:29They get you hooked.
21:30And then you're forever working for them, forever trying to be a good person, forever
21:35ever trying to please God, and you realize you never do.
21:40But once you get into this group's mindset, the bending of Scripture's meaning is much
21:44easier, and it's very hard to detect by the members.
21:48That's how cults prey on others, John, and especially, I would say, innocent people.
21:52Innocent, sincere people, and there's many of them in the ranks of the message today.
21:56You know, I was just thinking last time after we were talking, just how bad it is with regards
22:03to how a group turns into a destructive cult, but even more than that, how they turn into
22:09mind control from some of the doctrines that we're talking about.
22:13I'll never forget whenever Charles first started talking about positive confession, and he was
22:18describing how this is basically the recipe for opening up brainwashing.
22:22You're getting people to believe something that isn't there.
22:25They are starting to step away from reality.
22:28They're trying to believe something that their body is telling them, their own body is telling
22:33them isn't real.
22:34Many people who are in the positive confession mindset actually go on to their death from
22:40the same condition that they believe that they're healed from.
22:42And yet, up until their death, they're basically out of their mind while they're doing this.
22:47They're brainwashed to believe that they should claim healing whenever they're not healing.
22:52But whenever we're talking about doctrines where you are becoming God, the idea that you
23:00are to believe that you're empowered by God, you're becoming God, this really has the same
23:07effect of the positive confession.
23:09You are literally separating from a reality.
23:12You're believing that you as a human being, as a mortal human being, are essentially God.
23:16And what it turns into and what it has developed into, you can see this widely through the charismatic
23:23movement and the New Apostolic Reformation, people start believing that even their inward
23:29conscience is God speaking to them.
23:32Or they believe that if they have a gut feeling, that gut feeling is God.
23:37Many times, the conscience and the gut feeling are a result of either their environment or
23:45their upbringing, their training, or the conditions around them.
23:49In other words, a child who is stealing a cookie from a cookie jar has no idea that this is wrong
23:56until somebody tells them that it's wrong.
23:58And if they're continually told, hey, don't go steal cookies from the cookie jar.
24:02It will spoil your supper.
24:04Well, eventually, when the mother's in the room, in the other room, and he walks into
24:08the kitchen, his conscience is telling him, I shouldn't be doing this.
24:11My mother told me not to do this.
24:13How does he know?
24:14Is the mother telling him?
24:15No, the mother's not telling him.
24:17It is a trained response.
24:19And whenever people get into this mindset, it's really trained responses that they're claiming
24:25is God.
24:26Now, does that mean God is not speaking to them?
24:28I'm not going to say this.
24:30I can't say because I'm not in their hearts.
24:32But I do know that I have seen people who are claiming this for the most ridiculous
24:36things, that I seriously do doubt that God would intervene in such a situation.
24:42I'll just put it like that.
24:43Maybe it's true.
24:44I don't know.
24:45I doubt it's happening in all of the situations that they claim.
24:48But it opens the door for mind control.
24:51And for me, this is one of the key elements of why the message cult following of William
24:57Branham is a destructive cult.
24:58It has, if you look at Dr. Stephen Hassan's BITE model, behavioral control, control of
25:05information, thought control, thought manipulation, and emotional control, emotional manipulation.
25:12Every one of those key elements we find in Branham's ministry.
25:16And I've actually had that conversation with somebody who was a Branhamite, who had some
25:22clout as a Branhamite.
25:24And he said, yes, but you have to understand, John, the people in the message who are in
25:28the leadership have taken this away from Branham's core theology, and they've turned it into a
25:34destructive cult.
25:35This guy actually believed that it was a destructive cult.
25:37But he said, it's not a responsibility of William Branham.
25:40Branham had nothing to do with this.
25:42It's the ministers, the leaders of it today.
25:45But what he doesn't realize is if you go back to those recordings, you can find every single
25:50element of that, of that BITE model.
25:52You can find it right there in his own recordings by his own words.
25:56He is controlling the information.
25:58Definitely.
25:59Nobody knew that he was, he was working directly with the second in command of the clan.
26:04I mean, that's, that's kind of a big thing, right?
26:06That information was hidden.
26:08The control of, you know, behavior control, the thought control we're talking about today,
26:13the thought manipulation, and the way that he preyed upon the emotions was just, there's
26:19not a single person, even if you're the most devout Branham follower, you will admit that
26:23he is really appealing to your emotions.
26:26So this has all the signs and all the makings, all of the pillars of a destructive cult.
26:31And for me, this turns problematic.
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27:32So, let's get into this.
27:35It's built upon the concepts that we looked at last time.
27:38You know, in this episode, I do want to focus on the background information a little bit
27:42leading up to the diminishing of the person of Jesus Christ and how they do it, and then
27:46how the Bible's teaching of who Jesus is was distorted, or it was changed by William Branham
27:52and the message preachers to believe what they now believe.
27:55But I won't message people to understand this because I think if they see this, surely
28:01they would understand that you cannot diminish who Christ is.
28:04But I'm not sure all preachers really get to this level, and especially the young ones
28:09nowadays because they don't study deeply.
28:11They've just kind of been brought along, and they're just going to repeat things.
28:16But they're going to stay on the surface.
28:18You know, sometimes ministers just stay on the surface of these things where it's safe
28:21because they know if they do a deep dive, they probably won't even understand it.
28:25They may get confused, and they'll eventually get their congregations confused.
28:30So their congregations might even leave if they taught what the message really teaches.
28:35And I hope that's what will happen in this case, that many message people will come to
28:39their senses about what's really the authority here and come out of it.
28:45But there are some things that William Branham believed about God that are simply not biblical,
28:49and nor are they orthodox, or what we call the accepted doctrines of Christianity.
28:53And I'm going to quote the same preacher here that we shared last time.
28:58You know, in this quote, and it's continuing on in the same message that he was giving there,
29:03in general, they have to invoke the prophet every time, the end-time message,
29:06just secrets that could only be given by God.
29:09And I want to make this clear that such points as these could not be known in the previous
29:14ages.
29:15The Bible shows us clearly that there's to be a mystery saved to the end of time.
29:18So when they take scriptures out of context, they put all these things as mysteries to
29:25be revealed at the end time.
29:27They diminish what Paul preached.
29:28They say, well, Paul didn't know the full truth, didn't know all these mysteries, whereas
29:32I think Paul knew all the mysteries that God wanted us to know, even for this time we're
29:37living in now.
29:39So that's why many ministers and good men get caught up in this teaching, because they're
29:43looking at this particular slant of the Bible and how these things come from, and fail to
29:48see the real context of the scriptures, knowing that Malachi 4 is speaking of John the Baptist,
29:53the Elijah that was to come, because Jesus confirmed that that's who the Elijah was.
29:58But they try to split it up and say there's even another coming, of course, that will come
30:03before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
30:05So you top that off with something that looks supernatural, manifestations, and, you know, these
30:10arguments about an end time message and all really become convincing.
30:14Now here we are continuing on what this minister said.
30:18Jesus of Nazareth said to the Father in John, now Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
30:24with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
30:27So Jesus was more than the man born of the Virgin Mary before the foundation of the world.
30:31He had a glory that was God's glory.
30:34Now we'll see how that was as we continue on.
30:37So we'll find out how he was, he the firstborn to become the manifestation of the invisible
30:44God.
30:45So I'll stop right there.
30:47This minister is saying the same one I've been quoting.
30:51He said, he the firstborn to become the manifestation of the invisible God.
30:55So it was not like he was God in the beginning and manifesting himself.
31:01It's like he had to be born out from God to become a manifestation of God.
31:06And that's how we've said before, being attributes in God, coming out of God, it's the same thing
31:12as how they're teaching how what Christians are today is they're just manifestations of
31:16God coming out of God.
31:18And I'll continue on what he says.
31:20I'll give you a simple thought on that.
31:22A word is a thought expressed.
31:24When we speak a word, it becomes an expression of my invisible thought.
31:28So God, God with his great thinking, desired expression, and out of the thoughts of God
31:34came the word.
31:35So that's how this minister portrays Jesus coming, is being a thought of God first.
31:42And it's no different than how they view the bride.
31:45Brother Brown was very clear in this saying the eternal thoughts of God, the bride was in
31:51there in his eternal thoughts.
31:53So that's how they equate Jesus and the bride being equal.
31:58And that's how we get the leap to say that we are God.
32:03So here's where we get to the nitty gritty, and it's really subtle.
32:06You know, I'd say it's as subtle as a serpent in the garden.
32:09Notice he begins with word as a thought expressed, and that's really the crux of the matter.
32:14He said, out of the thoughts of God came the word.
32:16So Jesus came out of the thoughts of God.
32:18But he, you know, that word that was eventually dwelling in the body of flesh, you know, wasn't
32:23God himself, according to this teaching, as Father, Son, Holy Ghost, eternally existing.
32:29It was just a thought of God that came out and became known as the word, a logos, a form
32:35of God, and then only became the fullness of God as God stepped into that form.
32:40So to me, that just goes contrary to the Orthodox Christianity, in that God is Father, Son, Holy
32:46Spirit, distinct as three and yet one God, you know, eternally existing, as what we have
32:52termed persons of Godhead.
32:53And maybe in another episode, I'll really go deep into that, into that term persons.
32:59But in the message teaching, because it's based on a oneness side or one God, it has to be
33:04one being with the Father and the Holy Spirit being the very same in every way or one person.
33:11Then out of this person's thoughts came the word.
33:14And so that which dwelled in Jesus Christ was only the word.
33:18So he had a beginning.
33:19And he came out of God's mind in the beginning.
33:22So as simple as I can say this, this is exactly how this teaching makes the leap to make you
33:27a God, you know, similar to Jesus Christ, because you are also the attribute of thought that
33:31is now expressed here as the word of God on earth.
33:34And that makes you, in a sense, equal to God.
33:37You know, you've got, say, that spoonful of God, and you can go create a world, say, and go live on it.
33:43So, and beyond that, when God manifests himself in you, then you are fully acting as, you know, God himself.
33:51And that's why they would make the leap to say you can begin creating things because you're speaking God's own word.
33:57Here's where it gets really dangerous.
33:59So when you're teaching this kind of doctrine, you too, friend, can speak the word of God,
34:05just as I speak the word of God.
34:07Well, what happens is the people who are listening to the leader who is telling them they too can speak
34:13the word of God, then the leader starts doing it to them.
34:17The people who are listening, how do you argue with this?
34:21This is God speaking to me.
34:22I can't question what he is saying.
34:25What if it's wrong?
34:26Oh my gosh, I can't question God.
34:28So people shut off their critical thinking when you use this type of language in your speeches.
34:34But worse than that, it leads towards all kinds of abuse, spiritual abuse, obviously.
34:42But think of this from a, just from a human perspective.
34:46So a person who starts to tell people that he is speaking as God starts to believe it.
34:53Once he starts to believe it, if his personality is, if his brain is wired this way,
34:59some people have tendencies to want to govern people or be in authority positions over people.
35:08And so they start to use this word of God for commands.
35:12And they tell people, you must do this.
35:14God has told me you must do this.
35:16Well, some people have narcissistic personality disorders or other disorders
35:22where they start feeding upon it to the level where they start to use this control and feel empowered by it.
35:29And widespread problems, we've talked about this in many podcasts, widespread problems occur because of this.
35:37All kinds of abuse.
35:39So people, we've, I won't mention the names of the people who've done it.
35:43We've talked about it on some of the podcasts, but some people use it for purposes of sex.
35:47They can tell people that God has told me that you, my wife is about to die and you're going to be the next one.
35:54So let's, let's fool around or whatever.
35:57I, I don't even know how that conversation goes, but people start to do this because they feel empowered
36:03speaking the word of God and having people believe this.
36:06Now, are they truly believing that they are speaking the words of God?
36:11I don't know.
36:12Some of the men and women who are doing this, I, I kind of question whether they themselves even believe it.
36:17But they recognize whether they believe it or not, they recognize the power that it has over the person listening.
36:24And so it breeds elitism.
36:27You have people who are just feeding on this elitism and this, this type of doctrine where you're, you're talking as God.
36:35It's, it leads to all kinds of abuse, which that's another podcast for another day.
36:40And it's a direct descendant from this manifested sons of God theology, which again is humanizing God.
36:45It's bringing God down to the human understandable level and what human can understand God.
36:54And, you know, back to our previous conversation, the fact that William Branham had the gall to say that Jesus did not exist from the beginning.
37:04He was a thought in God's head and God spoke it and then Jesus came.
37:09Not only does it defy all of the scriptures, it is taking your thoughts and it's turning your thoughts into God.
37:16So people literally start worshiping thoughts in this weird religion.
37:20I, I don't even know how to explain that in a way people understand.
37:23Your thoughts have so much power that they are, they're the precursor to the spoken word.
37:28They're, they're the substance that is coming out in, in the word of God.
37:33So not only is he creating this elitist place where you can have spiritual abuse widespread, he's diminishing God.
37:42And he's literally taking Jesus down to the level where Jesus is nothing more than a thought.
37:49Now, to me, that's where it goes off the rails because I would believe that the son of God, the word was already existing with God, the father from eternity past.
37:59And he was born fully God in the manger and he never ceased to be God until he willingly gave up his spirit on the cross, not in the garden.
38:08So if Jesus actually willed to live while he was on the cross, no one could kill him.
38:14He had to willingly give up his life.
38:16He was God in flesh all the way up till then.
38:19So until he willingly gave up his life as, as a human being, of course, because he was a hundred percent God, a hundred percent man.
38:26He was a dual natured being.
38:28So this minister now says in him is to be a family.
38:32Catch that he's not going to create a family.
38:36God is going to be a family for he's sharing his own eternal life.
38:40Now, now I want you to catch what this minister said.
38:43God's not creating people.
38:45He's actually going to be.
38:47He's only manifesting what he already is.
38:51So that puts the bride, the thoughts in God is eternal.
38:55So you see how they say the bride is God.
38:58God is not creating.
39:00God is becoming by sending out his thoughts to earth, of course, in sinful flesh and then redeeming them by the work on the cross.
39:08So now you see how message believers who's understood this teaching has said, you know, I was always saved because, look, I was in the thought I was eternal in the thoughts of God.
39:18I come from God.
39:19I go back to God.
39:20You know, Jesus is the only one that really could say that because he was fully God.
39:24He was the one that fully came out from God as God.
39:27So those words should never be spoken by man.
39:31You know, only God can say that.
39:33And this minister continues with this thought as well.
39:35So I'll quote, he said, out of God, as he begins to manifest himself out of God, the materialization of God's thoughts comes this term in the Bible called the Logos.
39:46So the mind of God, the attributes of God are now going to be expressed in word form.
39:53So he said, Logos.
39:57So I'll go to what another minister has said about Logos and how he's just totally twisted the scripture and really, really trying to rewrite scripture, in fact.
40:07But so what he's saying here is God's only manifesting his thoughts.
40:11But here he goes on.
40:13Each of these prophets had anointing, a measure of Christ, so they became Christ, bringing the word to the people of Israel in each age.
40:21So this messenger to this man to each age becomes a manifestation of Christ to the age.
40:27Jesus said, if you receive whomsoever I sent, you receive me.
40:31And if he sends a messenger and we reject the messenger, we have rejected Christ.
40:35So here he is throwing in a little bit of extra, such as if you reject the message of William Branham as not being from God, then you've rejected Christ.
40:44Because many will say, you know, the message is Christ.
40:48I would believe that I believe I could just present what one minister is saying here.
40:52And it's pretty plain, you know, what I've just said, you know, where they're going with this.
40:56Now, William Branham had direction he was going.
40:58Although it was so scattered in his preaching, you know, you had to really dive into it to really catch all the bits and pieces and put them together.
41:06But I guess it's that way because he had to watch what he said to different audiences.
41:10You know, he would risk being rejected outright.
41:13He couldn't just really be plain about what he was saying.
41:16The latter rain group tended to go along with it, you know, because it was in alignment with their manifest sons of God doctrine,
41:21because it really made them a manifest son.
41:24And I've mentioned this a few times, but when I left the Branham cult, I read the Bible over and over and over many, many times, cover to cover,
41:32trying to wash all of this stuff out of my head.
41:35And there were passages that really stuck out to me.
41:38I, you know, I wish I could go back and think through all of the different places.
41:43I wish I had actually logged them as I was going through.
41:47But it wasn't just simply the trivial and consequential doctrines that were in direct conflict with the Bible.
41:53The core theology, the very basis for what everything he preached, the we called it the message,
42:00the very, very foundation of the message was built on false doctrine that had no relevance to scripture whatsoever.
42:07In fact, in many cases, like what you're talking about here, it's actually anti-scripture.
42:12He had this doctrine.
42:15You probably mentioned this, I think, in one of the ones we've done.
42:19But he would say Mary was nothing more but an incubator.
42:21He was trying to be, he had this thing against women, apparently, and he was trying to be very offensive to Mary.
42:28But he tried to say that Jesus was not even human.
42:32He would actually dehumanize Jesus.
42:36And he said Jesus was not even human.
42:38Mary was just an incubator.
42:40And Joseph had nothing to do with it.
42:41So this thing that was born of Jesus was not even human.
42:45But then he would try to twist even that, twist even his own words and say that he was human.
42:52He died just a man on the cross.
42:54And he would say that he was the manifestation of God.
42:58He was a human.
42:59And then God manifested himself in Jesus.
43:02And you too, friend, can be manifested son of God.
43:05Well, there's so many problems with it, not even just from William Branham's own words.
43:11His own words and his own theology contradict each other.
43:14But I'm reading, for example, I'm reading the book of Luke after I left.
43:18And it talks about all of the events that are happening, the angel coming to Mary and says the Holy Ghost will come upon you.
43:25Well, there's a phrase in the Bible that just undermines all of that.
43:31It says something to the effect that the Holy One that's going to be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
43:39So it's not a theology that you can take and make it fit with every part of the Bible.
43:46There's no way that you can make it fit.
43:49And even William Branham's own theology, it can't fit within his own theology.
43:53It's in contradiction.
43:54But all of this to say, it is just simply so that he can humanize Jesus to the level where people can understand what Jesus is,
44:05understand what God is in simple terms, so that he can tell them that they can become greater than this.
44:11They can do something bigger, better than this.
44:13Greater works shall you do was a phrase that he would often say when he's doing this.
44:20Ye are gods, ye are little gods, all of these phrases.
44:22And that became core theology that built the entire New Apostolic Reformation.
44:28So this is very, very problematic, and it's very deceptive when you think about it.
44:34He's just twisting little words here and there to make the Bible fit his agenda rather than making his agenda fit the Bible.
44:41So let me go a little further here, and you'll see how the person of Christ as God born in flesh is diminished,
44:48and how the Son or the Word of God being born as a man in flesh is not really God as a person,
44:53as the Father or the Holy Spirit is, but just a part of God or his attributes.
44:56So I would say if Jesus was just an attribute, and we are his attributes, there's an equality there between us and Jesus.
45:04You know, if Jesus was God in the beginning, then we have no equality with that.
45:09You know, otherwise, as they also teach, you know, you would on some level be deity yourself,
45:14even when you were born on earth.
45:16And to me, that's just blasphemy, John.
45:18So let me read on to what he said here and try to make this a little plainer.
45:23He said,
45:24Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Ghost to bring forth a child,
45:29and as this child was birthed to the attributes of God,
45:32as this child was birthed, he said the attributes of God were dropped into this child.
45:37He was born the Word of God, so the Word made flesh and dwelt among us.
45:41He says, but, and this is the key statement here, he does say this,
45:45but, not yet quickened, life of the Logos, didn't come into the child at birth.
45:51So here he's saying a child was born, attributes were dropped into the child,
45:56but then the very life of God was not in the child at birth.
46:00Now, to me, that's just not correct, and I would borderline say that's also diminishing Jesus Christ,
46:07because you're saying he was not born the Christ.
46:10He was not born with the life of the Logos.
46:12He said it didn't come into the child.
46:13He said, and you'll see why in a moment.
46:16He said, but he was the fullness of the Word when he was born.
46:19And then he goes on in his ministry.
46:22Now, here's some quotes from the prophet in this day.
46:24The same Logos that was with Christ was not yet birthed to it, yet he was the Word.
46:31He was not yet quickened to his ministry.
46:34But now, as Jesus, the living Word, goes down to the River Jordan,
46:38meets the prophet in the water,
46:40and when he's there in the water, then the Scripture says something very special happens as the Spirit of God settles upon him.
46:47And we see the Spirit of God like a dove coming into this vessel,
46:50and now the Word is quickened into manifestation,
46:53and now he is the fullness of the Godhead bodily on earth.
46:57So, after all that convoluted things he's saying there,
47:02he finally gets to the point of what he's trying to say.
47:05He was saying Jesus was not God on earth,
47:08or not the Godhead bodily on earth,
47:12until he was quickened by the Spirit of God at the River Jordan.
47:16So, you would say that Jesus, all his life, was never God really in flesh,
47:22the fullness of Godhead bodily,
47:24until the Spirit of God came down.
47:26Now, to me, the Spirit of God came down so John could see him,
47:29so he could actually identify, you know, who God was,
47:33and so God could declare his Son to the world,
47:36that this is my beloved Son,
47:38in whom I'm well pleased.
47:39So, you know, this is, to me, this is very contrary to the Scripture,
47:45because you're saying that Jesus was not fully God
47:48until the baptism at the River Jordan.
47:51Exactly.
47:52Like I said, I read the Bible over and over,
47:55and there weren't just small, simple things to be ignored.
47:58There were huge, glaring problems with what he was teaching.
48:02And so, like you're talking here,
48:05he's being baptized, Jesus is being baptized,
48:08and the Spirit comes on him.
48:09He was just a man until this, is Branham's theology.
48:13And then he would say that the Spirit left him
48:15in the Garden of Gethsemane.
48:16That was one of his Easter sermons.
48:19He literally said this in an Easter sermon, of all things.
48:23But his concept of God was that
48:25Jesus was nothing more than a prophet.
48:27He would say things like,
48:29Jesus could do not one single miracle
48:32until the Father first showed him a vision.
48:34And then he would proceed,
48:35William Branham would proceed to tell people
48:38that he's about to do miracles
48:39because he saw these visions of them.
48:41So he's basically equating himself to Jesus.
48:45But what he's doing is
48:47he's carefully skipping parts of the Bible.
48:50And even while he said, you know,
48:53he would ridicule these ministers
48:54if you add to or take away from the Word of God,
48:57he'd go off into these tangents.
48:59He himself is doing the same thing
49:01that he's condemning other ministers for.
49:02The book of John, for example,
49:06Jesus says something to the effect,
49:07I think it's John 17.
49:09He says, now glorify me with your own self,
49:13with the glory that I had from before the world was.
49:17So he's literally saying before the world existed,
49:20Jesus is saying this,
49:21before the world existed, I was.
49:24But that's not what William Branham is saying here.
49:26He's saying that Jesus was nothing more than a thought
49:29in the Father's head.
49:30And the thought was spoken.
49:32It became the spoken word.
49:34And the Spirit had not even come down with a spoken word.
49:37So you've got this weird contradiction.
49:39Where does the Spirit come into this?
49:41Because Branham taught various forms of modalism
49:44and everything from oneness Pentecostalism
49:47to Trinitarianism he taught.
49:49But when he was teaching this manifested sons of God,
49:52it was more of a modalistic form of God
49:54where Jesus was the Father.
49:56Jesus was the Spirit.
49:57But then how do you make that work?
49:59Jesus was the Word manifested into a human
50:03that was not quite human
50:04because he was not born of Mary.
50:06And then the Spirit came down to fill him
50:08whenever he's being baptized.
50:10Well, what do you do with this?
50:12What's that Spirit?
50:13And who is the Father that he's talking to
50:15while he has this Spirit?
50:17None of it makes any sense.
50:18And John, just for Jesus not to be fully God
50:22at the baptism at the River Jordan
50:24all the way up until the time he was 30 years old,
50:28you know, you're making him something less
50:30than he really is.
50:31You know, he was,
50:32the Scripture says he was born Christ the Lord.
50:34So he was already the Lord.
50:37He was the Lord God in flesh.
50:40He didn't have to wait for God to come inside of him
50:42at the River Jordan.
50:43And he also didn't have God leave him
50:46in the Garden of Gethsemane.
50:49He totally, being found, of course, as God in flesh,
50:53he did submit himself to the will of the Father.
50:56The will that was in God in the beginning
51:00is that was to die for humanity,
51:01for lost humanity, to show himself a Savior.
51:05But even though he had those,
51:06it wasn't that he was not God in some parts of his life
51:10and then only God other parts of his life
51:12and then God had to leave him so he could die
51:15because he willingly gave up his life.
51:18He says, I lay down my life and I can take my life.
51:21No one takes my life from me.
51:23Jesus declared that.
51:24So we have to be very careful
51:26when we're speaking as they do,
51:29speaking of Jesus in these terms.
51:32And anytime you make Jesus less than God at any time,
51:35you know, you've gone off the rails.
51:38So, John, I really enjoyed today.
51:40It looks like our time has just gone by so fast
51:42and I didn't even get to the second minister
51:44I wanted to get to.
51:45You know, that's a whole nother 30 minutes of speaking here.
51:49So I think I'll stop right there.
51:51I think, you know, we've gotten through most
51:54of what this minister I was speaking of says.
51:56And I think I'll have more even to come later.
51:58But I hope this is very informative,
52:01entertaining to your guests
52:03and look forward to going to the next round,
52:06you know, with you, John.
52:07Absolutely.
52:08Yeah, there's so many.
52:09As you were talking, I was thinking of,
52:11man, I'd like to talk about that.
52:13I'd like to talk about this.
52:14There's so many different rabbit trails
52:16of things that we could go down.
52:18But in the end, it really comes down to this.
52:20I don't believe that William Branham himself
52:22was a Christian.
52:23I don't believe that he believed in God at all.
52:26Now, I've mentioned this before.
52:28Whenever you believe in God,
52:29there's one thing that you at least must do.
52:31You must believe in the nature of God.
52:34And watching him teach modalism,
52:37oneness, Pentecostalism,
52:39watching him pray to the persons of the Trinity.
52:43He's actually praying to the third person
52:45of the Trinity in some sermons.
52:47And then condemning anybody
52:49who even says the word person.
52:51And he'll say things like,
52:53there is no such word in the Bible,
52:55person of the Trinity.
52:56Well, there's no such word oneness
52:58in the Bible either,
52:59but you're teaching both.
53:00And so I don't believe
53:02that the man really believed
53:04what he was saying.
53:06I don't think he had any convictions
53:07because if you have convictions,
53:09you can't do this.
53:10You would, if you're teaching oneness
53:12and you start saying,
53:13well, it's heresy to teach Trinitarianism,
53:16then you start teaching it.
53:18Well, you have to at some point
53:19repent that you have done this
53:20because you've been teaching
53:21all of this doctrine.
53:23He never did this.
53:24I don't recall one single instance
53:27where he ever repented
53:28for changing from oneness
53:30to Pentecostal
53:31to modalist
53:33to Trinitarian
53:33or the other.
53:34He just simply didn't care.
53:36And that's really
53:38what this comes down to.
53:39He didn't care.
53:40He didn't care about the people.
53:42He didn't care
53:42if it was true doctrine,
53:44false doctrine,
53:44even the things
53:46that he said about himself.
53:47He didn't care
53:48if it was true or not
53:49as long as the audience applauded.
53:51That's really
53:52what it comes down to.
53:53Did the audience applaud?
53:55So, so much more to do.
53:57I agree with you.
53:57We'll come back
53:58and do it later.
53:59So, if you've enjoyed our show
54:00and you want more information,
54:01you can check us out on the web.
54:03You can find us
54:03at william-branham.org.
54:05For more about the dark side
54:07of Roy Davis
54:08and William Branham,
54:09you can read
54:10Persuasive Preacher,
54:11the Gifted Prophet,
54:12and the Noble Politician.
54:14And for more about
54:14the New Apostolic Reformation,
54:16you can read
54:16Weaponized Religion
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