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William Branham Historical Research

John and Chino discuss the critical need for sound biblical scholarship after leaving movements shaped by William Branham, Hobart Freeman, and the later charismatic-deliverance teachings. John recalls how his early reading of Colossians 2 opened his eyes to how Branhamite and NAR-style teachers misused words like “mystery” and “Laodicea” to insert their own authority. Together they trace the harm caused by the so-called “five-fold ministry” and by leaders who demanded loyalty to themselves while twisting Scripture—contrasting this with the plain, accessible meaning of the Bible that any believer can read. The conversation emphasizes humility, historical context, and careful interpretation over sensational claims, warning of the arrogance and elitism that often poison even seemingly solid teaching.  00:00 Introduction 01:00 Christ Is the Mystery — Not a Prophet’s Secret 05:00 The Misuse of Laodicea and the “Seven Church Ages” Theory 09:00 Mystery Religion vs. Biblical Mystery 12:00 How False Teachers Twist Scripture 17:00 The Responsibility to Study for Yourself 21:00 Why the Church Needs Real Biblical Scholarship 26:00 The Rise of False Ministers and Exploitation 29:00 The Five-Fold Ministry and the Loss of Discernment 33:00 Understanding the Bible in Historical and Cultural Context 36:00 Misinterpreting Proverbs and Positive Confession 40:00 The Misuse of Hebrews 13:8 44:00 Why God’s Work Is Not Static 47:00 The Dangers of Legalism and Selective Scripture 48:00 Hobart Freeman’s Shift from Scholar to Cult Leader 53:00 The Poison Mixed into His Theology 59:00 Misreading Obadiah: Turning Text into Deliverance Doctrine 01:01:00 Why You Can Read and Understand the Bible Yourself 01:02:00 How to Find a Humble, Transparent Pastor 01:04:00 Closing Reflections ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg  – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

Transcript

00:00:30Hello, welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.

00:00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research

00:00:40at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, minister, and friend, Chino Ross,

00:00:47pastor and the voice of the Understanding Scripture and Truth by Chino D. Ross' YouTube channel.

00:00:53Chino, it's good to be back after having hijacked your last podcast.

00:00:57And it's actually kind of good in a way because I don't know the order of which will come

00:01:04out, but after I had the conversation with you and I hijacked it literally to talk about

00:01:09textual criticism, the subject that you and I were getting into, we, to some extent, had

00:01:16the same conversation with Laura Lynn on the podcast series that I'm doing with her.

00:01:22We were talking about the need for good biblical scholarship and how not just Branhamism or

00:01:30Hobart Freeman, but this charismatic thing that was built on top of this, not all of it

00:01:36is, you know, anti-biblical.

00:01:38I'm not going to go that far.

00:01:39But some of it is built on the wrong foundation.

00:01:42And what it does, when you lay the wrong foundation, you may have good people with good biblical

00:01:47knowledge who are building in the right way, but you also have a foundation that allows

00:01:52for building in the wrong way.

00:01:54And the example that I used with her, which I'll open this podcast with, after I left the

00:02:00Branham cults and I was trying to just wipe all of this out of my head, I read the Bible

00:02:04over and over.

00:02:05You and I have talked about this.

00:02:07There are many passages that really hit me that we were trained incorrectly.

00:02:11But the one that hit me the biggest was Colossians 2.

00:02:16And the example that I gave Laura Lynn, which I'll read for you, it is talking about how there's

00:02:22this great struggle for those at Laodicea and those who have not seen me, Paul, face to

00:02:28face.

00:02:28Their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, in all the riches and assurance

00:02:33and understanding of the knowledge of God's mystery.

00:02:36And I'm purposefully pausing there, because in Branhamism, in all of the precursors to

00:02:44Branhamism, largely because of British Israelism and dispensationalism, whenever my brain heard

00:02:52the word Laodicea, I'm thinking, this is talking about directly to the last day's people, because

00:02:59Laodicea is the seventh last church age.

00:03:02And when I heard the word God's mystery, well, that opened the door for the spoken word,

00:03:09the rhema, all of the things that goes with this.

00:03:12You're thinking literally that we must have an apostle or a prophet or messenger, fivefold

00:03:19ministry teacher, somebody to bring us this mystery.

00:03:23And what happens is when you hear all of that, when you've been indoctrinated by a cult, your

00:03:28brain instantly shuts off, and you miss the next few words, which is God's mystery, which

00:03:33is Christ.

00:03:36And when that hit me, I went back through all of the different passages that had the word

00:03:41mystery that I was programmed to think and believe and understand.

00:03:46And each one of them is actually talking about Christ as the mystery.

00:03:50In fact, there are passages that say very explicitly, Christ is the mystery fulfilled.

00:03:55But yet we were taught there had to be this new thing.

00:03:58And we were taught that the foundation that I was hinting at as we were talking with Laurel

00:04:03Lynn, they presented the notion that the church would fall away into this apostate condition,

00:04:10and there must be a restoration.

00:04:12And how that happens is a mystery.

00:04:15That was the presentation, right?

00:04:16And then all of these cults built upon this.

00:04:20So today, I'm going to try my best not to hijack the podcast.

00:04:23We'll talk about the need for biblical scholarship.

00:04:26But I'm going to reference this as my example of the need, because people have twisted it

00:04:31so bad out of context, yet kept it slightly within the framework of what's in the Bible

00:04:38to make it sound biblical, while it is yet anti-biblical.

00:04:42Do you know what I think you've just done?

00:04:44I think you have just hijacked the podcast again, which is fine, which is fine.

00:04:53You said so many things, three of which I would go back and spend time on.

00:05:01Very interesting stuff, John, that you just said.

00:05:04So first of all, with Laodicea, yes.

00:05:11So it's obvious when you read Colossians 2 that that's one of the few places that Paul

00:05:17actually did address an epistle to a group of people that he did not know personally.

00:05:24We can tell from reading Luke's account of Paul's travels in Acts where he went.

00:05:30And one place there is no record he went was Colossae, and he tells us that he didn't go

00:05:36there in Colossians 2.

00:05:37So he is definitely writing them a letter.

00:05:40He also did not go to Laodicea, but he also wrote an epistle to the Laodiceans, and he encourages

00:05:47the Colossians to get a copy of that or at least have someone read that epistle to him.

00:05:54So there's one just biblical fact that the only way to know that is read Acts and read

00:06:01Colossians.

00:06:01There's no other sources of information for what I just said.

00:06:06But then your next point that you're building on is this whole question of Laodicea, because

00:06:13it's that last church that John addresses in Revelation 3, and it is the so-called lukewarm

00:06:19church that Christ is going to spew out of his mouth, where he said, I word that you

00:06:24were either hot or cold, but because you're neither, but you're somewhere in between, I

00:06:29will spew you out of my mouth.

00:06:32And yes, there's been this long theology built on the assumption, and it is simply not in those

00:06:42chapters of Revelation 2 and 3, that those seven local individual churches, they start with Ephesus

00:06:50and they end with Laodicea, and you've got Sardis and Smyrna and Pergamos and Thyatira and Philadelphia,

00:06:59and then you have the bookends of Ephesus and Laodicea, that those are somehow supposed to depict

00:07:07ages in church history from the end of the first century until the return of Christ.

00:07:13And there's simply nothing there.

00:07:15That has to be imported into the passage.

00:07:18And when you read how people have done it, it's very interesting because it is strictly arbitrary.

00:07:26So they start with the church at Ephesus, and it's convenient for their theory in that

00:07:30Christ said to John, through John, to the people at Ephesus, that you have tried those who say

00:07:40they are apostles and are not and have found them liars.

00:07:44So they say that's the apostolic church.

00:07:47And then you just have to pick an ending date, your terminus a quim.

00:07:52You just have to pick one.

00:07:53This is when that ended.

00:07:54And then the next period in church history started from 313 A.D. to 576, and everyone

00:08:04has different dates, and there's no way to ever prove it, and there's no way to ever agree

00:08:09on it.

00:08:10But it is something that William Branham definitely believed, and guess what?

00:08:14It is something that Hobart Freeman taught in his series on Revelation as well, that he

00:08:19didn't deny that those were local churches in proconsular Asia at the end of the first

00:08:25century A.D., but he said, oh, but there's deeper meanings.

00:08:28You know, there's always deeper meanings, and the deeper meanings are always the hidden meanings.

00:08:34They're the ones that are mysterious, as you said.

00:08:37They're a mystery.

00:08:38They're not on the surface.

00:08:40And look, we've talked about this before, but it is so important to know that the meaning

00:08:48of Scripture, of any passage, whether it's Isaiah or Revelation, the meaning is, and there's

00:08:56only one meaning, the meaning is what the author meant and how the readers understood it.

00:09:04So if you were a church at Ephesus and you got a letter and it was addressed to you, guess

00:09:08what?

00:09:08That's a letter addressed to you.

00:09:11Now, is there application for that for Christians down through history?

00:09:15Well, of course, because the Bible wasn't written with my name anywhere in it.

00:09:20It's got your name because your name is John, and John was one of the apostles.

00:09:26But it's not written to me, and it wasn't written to you.

00:09:29It's written for you, but not to you.

00:09:32It was written to other people.

00:09:34So Hobart picked that up from William Branham, and those weren't the only two guys.

00:09:38It's just a very popular theory that those represent seven ages in the church's history,

00:09:43and there's not a single shred of evidence for that.

00:09:46I think one of your other co-hosts, Charles Paisley, he did one.

00:09:53I don't know if it was with you or apart, John, but it's pretty good what Charles had to say

00:09:57in just refuting the fact those aren't seven ages in church history.

00:10:01There aren't seven ages.

00:10:02Those were seven literal churches that received a letter written to all of them

00:10:07and with a part of it in chapters two and three highlighted to them individually,

00:10:12and then the rest of it was for all of them.

00:10:16But then your final word was that word mystery,

00:10:19and I did a lot of study on that a long time ago.

00:10:22It's the Greek word musterion,

00:10:25and the reason I did a lot of study is probably why you have studied some about that.

00:10:30It's because in charismatic, prophetic, apostolic circles,

00:10:36there is the letter of the word, and that's what we all read,

00:10:41and then there's the spirit of the word, and that is somehow hidden.

00:10:46It is hidden behind the letter and is only available to certain initiates.

00:10:52It is definitely a mystery religion kind of thing that you see happening.

00:10:58But what I have told people over and over is that if you or your minister,

00:11:04William Branham or Hobart Freeman or whomever,

00:11:07if you or your minister or if you are the only ones aware of some hidden truth in the Bible,

00:11:14I would say be careful because miners call that fool's gold.

00:11:20It's all shiny, and it's attractive, but it's worthless.

00:11:25All it is is fool's gold.

00:11:28If anything is that difficult to find that no one,

00:11:33by normal methods of study and prayer and exegesis and reading the Hebrew and reading the Greek,

00:11:41if normal methods of study can't reveal that to you,

00:11:46it's because it's not even there.

00:11:48It is so hidden that it is not even there,

00:11:52and so people just need to be aware of that approach to Scripture.

00:11:56Absolutely.

00:11:58And where I was building, and I wasn't actually trying to hijack your podcast,

00:12:02but there's a way to read the Bible that is normal and correct,

00:12:07and then there's a way to read the Bible that is very deceptive.

00:12:11Yet at the same time, within that deception,

00:12:15there are people who don't yet understand the Bible,

00:12:18and they're very open to that deception because they don't understand.

00:12:22It's not for them.

00:12:23One of the other phrases that was – I would say that this goes beyond William Branham,

00:12:28but Branham did say it often.

00:12:31He would say that – he would use that passage from Hebrews that God in –

00:12:36and I'm using King James English here –

00:12:39but God in Sunday times and diverse manners spoke to the prophets,

00:12:43and he would use that phrase, but he would combine it with another one from –

00:12:49and I can't remember – you'll know the passage,

00:12:51but he says basically the Bible is of no private interpretation –

00:12:54all Scripture is of no private interpretation.

00:12:58Well, he would combine those two to make the extra-biblical, anti-biblical phrase

00:13:04that in the past he spoke to us through the prophets,

00:13:06and you can't understand it, so in the future he must also speak to us in the prophets,

00:13:11which is totally hijacking what that passage says, if you understand it.

00:13:16And so where I was building with all of this,

00:13:19my understanding of the Bible was so skewed that even –

00:13:23when I say I read it, like literally I started in Genesis,

00:13:26I went all the way to Revelation,

00:13:29and I would just frequently throughout the course of several years do this after leaving

00:13:33to try to wash it all off.

00:13:36Well, the first time I read it, it's like I untangled parts of it,

00:13:39but other parts were still programmed in my head,

00:13:42so I had to keep doing it over and over.

00:13:45And that's the result of a false Bible teacher,

00:13:48somebody who doesn't –

00:13:49it's not just that they don't understand what they're teaching.

00:13:53In my opinion, some of the men who were involved in this

00:13:57were purposefully twisting the words of the Bible

00:14:00because it made their ministry seem bigger and greater than they actually were.

00:14:05And people would look up to them, revere, respect them.

00:14:09But as they're doing this, they're laying this foundation that other men built on,

00:14:12who – and women built on –

00:14:14who just really, you know, they were deceived.

00:14:17There were the deceivers, and then there were the deceived.

00:14:20And it was hard to weed out which is which

00:14:22among all of these latter rain, faith-healing ministries.

00:14:26You know, I think it's a natural tendency, John, for anyone to want to find a church,

00:14:32and I think they should.

00:14:33It's a natural tendency, and it's a valid one to find a church to attend,

00:14:38to find a minister that you trust and like what he has to say and follow him.

00:14:43I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

00:14:45But at the bottom of everything that we say today is this,

00:14:50that we are personally responsible ourselves for our knowledge

00:14:55and for our understanding of Scripture.

00:14:57And it is incumbent upon us, the Bible says,

00:15:02in so many places and in so many ways,

00:15:05to try the spirits, to test the spirits,

00:15:09to use discernment, to use wisdom, to use knowledge.

00:15:14It never, ever encourages any Christian to just go with an empty head

00:15:22and just receive everything being said by any minister.

00:15:27I don't care how good he is or how trained he is or how sound he is.

00:15:31Paul says that we are to test and try the spirits

00:15:36and that we are to prove all things and hold fast that which is good.

00:15:44And these ministers, Hobart Freeman, I hate to say it,

00:15:48but was one of them that would pay lip service to allowing you to do that.

00:15:56But at the end of the day, if you came to a different understanding than he had,

00:16:00he would simply, you know, write you off and reject you.

00:16:04He would use the case of the Bereans in Acts 17 and encourage everyone,

00:16:10now you'd be like the Bereans, receive the Word of God with all readiness of mind

00:16:14and then go search the Scriptures and see if these things were so.

00:16:18But I often said, whenever any of us went and did that

00:16:21and found out it wasn't so, then now we're no longer allowed to do that.

00:16:28But again, to go back to what I said,

00:16:30Paul said, test and try and examine and prove all things.

00:16:37And he just means you've got to put some work into it yourself.

00:16:40But to your point, you said a moment ago,

00:16:42unfortunately, this is just the nature of it for all of us.

00:16:46When you are new as a believer, a new Christian,

00:16:50or newly exited from a cult, you don't know a whole lot.

00:16:54And that is, that's a problem, that you are so dependent on that minister up front.

00:17:01All I can say with regard to that is, if you will,

00:17:05it's just incumbent upon all of us to be regular students of the Bible,

00:17:10as you have done, John, diligently.

00:17:13Read the Bible and read it again and read it again.

00:17:16And I think what you will slowly come to realize is that the Bible is not written in some Holy Ghost language.

00:17:28It's often your old Pentecostal preachers talk like that,

00:17:32that it's written in a Holy Ghost tongue or a Holy Ghost language,

00:17:35and only a Holy Ghost person can read it and understand it.

00:17:40And that's not true at all.

00:17:42The Bible is written with verbs and nouns and predicates and participles.

00:17:49And it's just written with normal language and normal speech.

00:17:55The normal laws of language that apply to modern writing apply to the Bible.

00:18:01And conversely, to interpret it, you interpret it the same way you would interpret anything else.

00:18:09I mean, when you open up the newspaper and read,

00:18:12hey, we just learned that yesterday such and such happened,

00:18:15then what that means is just what it said.

00:18:19And you're not allowed to take that line from the newspaper article

00:18:24and go to a copy from two weeks ago

00:18:27and pull a statement they made out of context.

00:18:31And somehow wed those together.

00:18:33And yet that's exactly what William Branham did

00:18:37with the case you gave of Hebrews 1 and 2 Peter 1.

00:18:41And that's exactly what Hobart did all the time.

00:18:45He would take a verse out of its context

00:18:47and he somehow felt that he had the authority to do that

00:18:52and people allowed him the authority to do that.

00:18:55But I would encourage people to do what you have done

00:18:59and what I do and what all true believers will do.

00:19:02And that is read the Bible for yourself.

00:19:05Are you going to understand it all?

00:19:07Absolutely not.

00:19:08That's where we were going last week with the need for scholarship.

00:19:13And I gave a couple of examples.

00:19:14And there's no end to examples of men who are good scholars,

00:19:22who have good things to say in certain areas of the Scripture.

00:19:26But the Bible is so deep and so vast that none of us have time to know it all.

00:19:32And that's one of the things that makes me sad,

00:19:37a little remorseful as I read the Bible

00:19:39because I really do want to know it all.

00:19:42But if I had started the day I was born

00:19:45and studied the Bible until the day I died,

00:19:48I'm simply not going to know it all because there's too much there.

00:19:51And anybody who thinks they do or will,

00:19:55that should be a red flag right away.

00:19:58Anyone who says that they know it all,

00:20:01that they grasp every bit of it,

00:20:04and that they can teach it all to you,

00:20:06that's a red flag.

00:20:08So where I was earlier, John, last week,

00:20:12was just making a plea for biblical scholarship

00:20:18in just all of your independent churches,

00:20:22charismatic and non-charismatic.

00:20:24You know, I have been a part of the charismatic element of Christianity

00:20:29since right after my conversion when I was 17 years old.

00:20:33This has been part of my,

00:20:37it's just been part and parcel of my life.

00:20:40And when I first heard Dr. Freeman,

00:20:44you know, then I began hearing some new things,

00:20:47and it made me want to study even more.

00:20:51And as I studied more, then more questions came up.

00:20:54But what I see today is there just is,

00:20:58there's an aversion to higher education,

00:21:01to professional theological training,

00:21:04to real biblical scholarship within independent churches.

00:21:09There's resistance.

00:21:10They cast a suspicious eye toward it.

00:21:15And you, you know, you don't have that problem.

00:21:18Let me just say this.

00:21:19You don't have that problem in mainline denominations.

00:21:22And I think the reason you don't have it

00:21:25is because they have been around long enough

00:21:28that they have recognized the need for an educated ministry.

00:21:33I mean, why wouldn't you want an educated ministry?

00:21:37We've talked about this before.

00:21:39Every other profession, professional profession,

00:21:44in life around us requires professional training.

00:21:48There are schools involved and tests involved and licenses involved.

00:21:56And why wouldn't you want them to be that?

00:21:59Why is it when we come to Christian ministry,

00:22:02now, all of a sudden,

00:22:03when you get over into the charismatic churches

00:22:06or your independent churches,

00:22:08then they have a real aversion to it.

00:22:12But the ministers there,

00:22:15their proof of ministry is what they call their call,

00:22:20C-A-L-L.

00:22:22And you should have a call to the ministry.

00:22:24If you're going to be a pastor

00:22:25or be in any type of Christian teaching ministry,

00:22:30God knows you need to have been called by the Lord to do that.

00:22:34But that's just the beginning of it.

00:22:37That's not the end.

00:22:38That's just the beginning.

00:22:39And that part of it is so subjective.

00:22:42I don't know whether you've had a call or not.

00:22:44I can't get inside your mind or life.

00:22:46You tell me that you've had one.

00:22:48But there's got to be some way.

00:22:50There's got to be some demonstrable way to prove that,

00:22:55to demonstrate that.

00:22:57And part of that way,

00:22:59it's not all,

00:23:00but part of that way,

00:23:01is do you manifest,

00:23:05do you carry the credentials

00:23:09of being able to stand up

00:23:12and actually teach people

00:23:14from some passage in the Bible?

00:23:17And we know people like William Branham

00:23:19just didn't have it.

00:23:21Dr. Freeman,

00:23:21we'll talk about him here later.

00:23:23Dr. Freeman did have qualifications to do that.

00:23:26But so many of these people in these circles

00:23:30are afraid of the education.

00:23:36They'll say something like this,

00:23:37well, I'm afraid the smart guys might

00:23:39take advantage of us and lead us astray.

00:23:43And that has happened.

00:23:44Have there been professional trained theologians

00:23:49and seminaries who want to deny

00:23:51essential Christian doctrine?

00:23:54Absolutely, there has been a huge problem

00:23:56with people who are trained,

00:23:58but who will definitely lead you astray.

00:24:01But look at what the lack of scholarship has done.

00:24:04It has done the exact same thing.

00:24:07Where we have no scholarship

00:24:09in independent charismatic Pentecostal churches,

00:24:13we live in this,

00:24:15I don't know,

00:24:15it's like a quicksand of individualism

00:24:18where everybody just believes whatever they want.

00:24:22And if the minister tells you

00:24:24this is the right belief,

00:24:25we just follow it.

00:24:26But look at this trail of tears we have

00:24:30of these charismatic ministers

00:24:32who have no training.

00:24:34Just, I mean,

00:24:35you have covered so many of them

00:24:37down through history,

00:24:38whether it's Dowie or John G. Lake

00:24:42or, you know, T.L. Osborne.

00:24:46These men were not professionally,

00:24:50biblically, scholarly trained

00:24:54to be teaching us the Bible.

00:24:57They read the Bible,

00:24:58I read the Bible.

00:24:59They read the Bible,

00:25:00you read the Bible.

00:25:02You know,

00:25:02it's every man for himself.

00:25:04And you could come to more modern examples

00:25:07of look at Jim Baker and his wife

00:25:10and look at Jimmy Swaggart

00:25:12and look at,

00:25:14I've got one maybe you don't remember, John.

00:25:17I don't think you've talked about him,

00:25:18but I don't know if you remember

00:25:19from the mid-1970s,

00:25:21there was a really,

00:25:22really big popular black minister

00:25:25in New York City

00:25:26who actually bought,

00:25:28I think he went and bought

00:25:29one of those old theaters

00:25:31in New York City

00:25:33and turned it into his church.

00:25:35And I'm talking about Reverend Ike.

00:25:37Reverend Ike was a huge phenomenon

00:25:40in New York City

00:25:42all during the mid-1970s.

00:25:45He's the one who had this,

00:25:47and so he's a pastor,

00:25:48he's a preacher,

00:25:49a teacher.

00:25:50He has hordes and flocks

00:25:52of people following him.

00:25:54But he had this saying,

00:25:56I think it was,

00:25:58you can't,

00:25:59let me think of how it went,

00:26:00you can't lose

00:26:02with the stuff I use.

00:26:04You can't lose

00:26:05with the stuff I use.

00:26:06And he had a fleet,

00:26:09I'm telling you,

00:26:10a fleet,

00:26:11not of Lincolns,

00:26:12not of Cadillacs,

00:26:13of Rolls Royces.

00:26:15Wow.

00:26:16He had fleeced the people,

00:26:18he had at least

00:26:19a dozen Rolls Royces.

00:26:21He had a big congregation,

00:26:23he had a big following,

00:26:25but he was obviously

00:26:26a scam artist.

00:26:28He would twist

00:26:29and pervert Christianity,

00:26:31but do it

00:26:32by using the Bible.

00:26:35So he would,

00:26:36for instance,

00:26:37I can remember

00:26:37one of his sermons,

00:26:38he would go to the story

00:26:40where Jesus was talking

00:26:41to the rich young ruler,

00:26:43remember,

00:26:43and he said how hard it is

00:26:45for a rich man

00:26:47to enter the kingdom of heaven.

00:26:48And you know what

00:26:49Reverend Ike did with that?

00:26:50He would teach his people,

00:26:52well, look,

00:26:53I mean,

00:26:53here's the level

00:26:54of professional training

00:26:57and intelligence

00:26:57of this man.

00:26:58He would say,

00:26:59look,

00:26:59if it's hard for a rich man

00:27:01to get into the kingdom,

00:27:03then how much harder

00:27:04is it for a poor man,

00:27:05so I'm going to be extra rich

00:27:07to make sure I can get there.

00:27:09That is defeating

00:27:10the whole spirit

00:27:12and meaning

00:27:13of what Jesus is saying there.

00:27:16Jesus is condemning

00:27:17the people

00:27:18who are trusting

00:27:18in their riches,

00:27:19saying if you do that,

00:27:20it's going to be very hard.

00:27:22He totally twists that,

00:27:23and his reasoning is,

00:27:25well,

00:27:25if it's hard for a rich man,

00:27:26it's impossible

00:27:27for a poor man,

00:27:28so I've got to be ultra rich

00:27:29in order for me

00:27:30to get there.

00:27:31That's the kind of people

00:27:32we don't need in the pulpit.

00:27:34Have you ever wondered

00:27:35how the Pentecostal movement

00:27:37started,

00:27:38or how the progression

00:27:39of modern Pentecostalism

00:27:40transitioned

00:27:41through the latter reign,

00:27:43charismatic,

00:27:44and other fringe movements

00:27:45into the new

00:27:46apostolic reformation?

00:27:48You can learn this and more

00:27:49on William Branham

00:27:50Historical Research's website,

00:27:52william-branham.org.

00:27:55On the books page

00:27:56of the website,

00:27:57you can find

00:27:58the compiled research

00:27:59of John Collins,

00:28:00Charles Paisley,

00:28:01Stephen Montgomery,

00:28:03John McKinnon,

00:28:03and others,

00:28:04with links to the paper,

00:28:06audio,

00:28:06and digital versions

00:28:08of each book.

00:28:09You can also find

00:28:10resources and documentation

00:28:11on various people

00:28:13and topics

00:28:14related to those movements.

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00:28:34You know,

00:28:34I've read the Bible

00:28:35more than most Christians

00:28:36ever will in their life,

00:28:37and that's the sad part

00:28:39about this.

00:28:40You would think

00:28:40if this is the greatest

00:28:42book of your faith

00:28:43that everybody would want

00:28:44to just pour themselves

00:28:45into it.

00:28:46But sadly,

00:28:47most Christians

00:28:48have never read it.

00:28:50I lost count

00:28:51of how many times

00:28:52that I've read it,

00:28:53you know,

00:28:53constantly going through it,

00:28:54and even then,

00:28:56even after going through it

00:28:57as many times

00:28:58as I have,

00:28:59I recognize

00:29:00that if I were

00:29:02to have started this

00:29:03instead at age 7,

00:29:04which I wish that I did,

00:29:06I would understand

00:29:07it better now,

00:29:08but from age 7

00:29:10until age 97,

00:29:11I would only be skimming

00:29:12just a fraction

00:29:14of the surface

00:29:14of what I could learn.

00:29:16There's so much

00:29:17to learn,

00:29:18and not just,

00:29:19this is offensive

00:29:20to people who are trained

00:29:21like this,

00:29:22interestingly,

00:29:23but not just

00:29:24about the Bible itself,

00:29:25but there's this broad scope

00:29:27of history and culture

00:29:28that surrounds the Bible,

00:29:30and if you don't understand

00:29:32the history and culture

00:29:33that are the subjects

00:29:35of each passage of text,

00:29:38you're only just,

00:29:39like,

00:29:39it's like you're reading

00:29:40this children's book summary

00:29:43of the Civil War.

00:29:44You can just never,

00:29:45you can never get

00:29:46a full understanding,

00:29:48and one of the things

00:29:50that has this movement

00:29:52promoted,

00:29:53this idea

00:29:54of a five-fold ministry

00:29:56structure

00:29:58that created the need

00:30:00for a mediator

00:30:02between God and man,

00:30:04in fact,

00:30:05replacing

00:30:05the role

00:30:07of the Holy Spirit.

00:30:08They've set it up

00:30:09such that

00:30:10if you want to understand

00:30:11the Bible,

00:30:12come to the prophet,

00:30:13come to the apostle,

00:30:14come to the five-fold teacher,

00:30:15whatever this is.

00:30:16Well, what this does,

00:30:18two things.

00:30:19Number one,

00:30:20whoever's making this claim,

00:30:22now they're up

00:30:23at this higher level

00:30:23that you're not.

00:30:24But number two,

00:30:26it makes the vast majority

00:30:27of people listening

00:30:28not want to learn

00:30:29because why do I need to?

00:30:31This guy's going to teach me.

00:30:32This girl's going to teach me.

00:30:33So it created this

00:30:35false sense of trust

00:30:37in what the people

00:30:38were saying,

00:30:40and the end result

00:30:42of this is people

00:30:42shut off critical thinking.

00:30:45Most of the Bible

00:30:46concepts,

00:30:47if you understand,

00:30:48after you've read it enough

00:30:49to understand

00:30:50and feel the voices

00:30:52and feel the passages,

00:30:54what it's saying,

00:30:56they're trying to relay

00:30:57a message

00:30:57within the writings.

00:30:59It's like,

00:30:59if I write you a letter,

00:31:01Chinno,

00:31:01I'm not going to write you

00:31:03a letter

00:31:03and suddenly you're going

00:31:04to go off

00:31:04on some tangent

00:31:05and decide that

00:31:06I can never wear

00:31:07a t-shirt again

00:31:08or some ridiculous thing

00:31:10like these ministers

00:31:11have done.

00:31:12I'm trying to send

00:31:13a message

00:31:13and you will

00:31:14understand that message.

00:31:15Well,

00:31:16the people can read

00:31:16that same message,

00:31:18but we've allowed

00:31:20these teachers

00:31:20to hijack

00:31:22the message

00:31:24that was being

00:31:24portrayed

00:31:25within the statements

00:31:26of the Bible

00:31:27and then they build

00:31:29doctrines on top

00:31:30of that.

00:31:30So they've hijacked

00:31:31the message,

00:31:32created a false message,

00:31:33and then built doctrines

00:31:35on top of it.

00:31:36And the doctrines

00:31:37are eerily similar

00:31:38to Christianity,

00:31:39but yet just slightly

00:31:41twisted.

00:31:42And you can't catch it

00:31:43unless you understand

00:31:44what the book says.

00:31:46So one of the things,

00:31:48one of the reasons

00:31:49why I refuse,

00:31:51when people ask me,

00:31:52you know,

00:31:53they'll tell me

00:31:53what church should I go to,

00:31:54what should I believe,

00:31:55what should I do,

00:31:56my answer is always

00:31:58I'm not the one

00:31:58to tell you this.

00:31:59You've got the Bible.

00:32:01Read the book

00:32:01for yourself.

00:32:02And then it doesn't matter

00:32:03what church you go to

00:32:05because you'll listen

00:32:06to the pastor

00:32:06and you may find

00:32:07a spot where he's off,

00:32:09where he doesn't

00:32:09understand it

00:32:10and you understand it,

00:32:11but it doesn't necessarily

00:32:12mean that you can't

00:32:13be part of this church.

00:32:15It just means that

00:32:16now you can help

00:32:17iron sharpen iron

00:32:19and you can go to him.

00:32:20And if,

00:32:21where I was heading

00:32:22with all of this is

00:32:23people who really read

00:32:25and understand

00:32:26the concepts

00:32:27that are presented

00:32:28in the Bible

00:32:29won't be so big-headed

00:32:31to refuse to learn more

00:32:33because throughout

00:32:35the whole rest

00:32:35of their life,

00:32:36they can learn more

00:32:37about the Bible.

00:32:38And men who are in,

00:32:39men and women

00:32:40who are in this

00:32:41five-fold structure

00:32:42of authority,

00:32:43they are in a position

00:32:44where they have to pretend

00:32:45that they have all

00:32:46knowledge and insight

00:32:48and they can't ever

00:32:49learn anymore.

00:32:50Amen to that,

00:32:51John.

00:32:52We want to arm

00:32:53people with information

00:32:55and that information

00:32:56comes basically

00:32:58from your own

00:32:59study of the Bible

00:33:00and then other things

00:33:02that that study

00:33:03will lead you to.

00:33:04Like there's so much

00:33:05in the Old Testament

00:33:06you will not understand

00:33:07if you don't pull out

00:33:09a map

00:33:09and start looking at

00:33:12and understanding

00:33:12the geography

00:33:13of the Middle East.

00:33:15And the same is true

00:33:17in just so many

00:33:18other areas.

00:33:20This is what you were saying

00:33:21a few moments ago.

00:33:22The Bible is absolutely

00:33:23critical.

00:33:25It is our foundational

00:33:26document to Christianity.

00:33:27But having said that,

00:33:30unfortunately,

00:33:31there are many things

00:33:33in the Bible

00:33:33that you still won't know

00:33:35if you don't know

00:33:35some information

00:33:36outside of the Bible.

00:33:38I think that

00:33:39one way to say it

00:33:40because I don't want

00:33:41to frighten people

00:33:42would be something

00:33:43like this,

00:33:44that the Bible

00:33:45which is authored

00:33:47by God the Holy Spirit

00:33:48through this 40 plus

00:33:49authors down through

00:33:501,500 years

00:33:52of Jewish

00:33:53and Christian history

00:33:54is written in such a way.

00:33:57This is what is

00:33:58absolutely miraculous

00:34:00about it.

00:34:01It is written

00:34:02in such a way

00:34:04that the things

00:34:06that are essential

00:34:08and necessary

00:34:09for you to know

00:34:10about Jesus

00:34:12and about salvation

00:34:14and about eternity

00:34:16and about life

00:34:17and about your responsibilities

00:34:19to God

00:34:20and to your fellow man,

00:34:22the things that are

00:34:22absolutely essential

00:34:23for you to know

00:34:24a 12-year-old

00:34:26can literally

00:34:27read the Bible.

00:34:29They're right there

00:34:29in plain view.

00:34:31However,

00:34:32there are things

00:34:32that a 12-year-old

00:34:33will never be able

00:34:34to understand

00:34:35about the Bible

00:34:36but they're more

00:34:36technical things

00:34:38and when I say technical,

00:34:39I don't mean that

00:34:40if you know those,

00:34:42those won't also

00:34:44then have bearing

00:34:45on the plainer things

00:34:47of the Bible.

00:34:48It's just that

00:34:48God has written it

00:34:49in such a way

00:34:50that if you've never

00:34:51been to seminary

00:34:52and you never

00:34:53go to seminary

00:34:54or you never

00:34:55are trained biblically,

00:34:56guess what?

00:34:57You're going to be okay

00:34:58if you'll just stick

00:35:00with the Bible

00:35:00but you will advance

00:35:02yourself so much more

00:35:04as a prospective

00:35:06Christian minister

00:35:08if you will get

00:35:09additional training.

00:35:12Here's what happens.

00:35:13Here's what happens

00:35:14with this,

00:35:15as you mentioned earlier,

00:35:16John,

00:35:17with this five-fold ministry

00:35:18and I'm more important

00:35:20than you.

00:35:21Here's what happens.

00:35:23Those ministers,

00:35:24Dr. Freeman

00:35:25is a prime example,

00:35:27will then go

00:35:27to the Bible

00:35:28once they have

00:35:30kind of abandoned

00:35:31their scholarly roots,

00:35:33they'll go

00:35:34to a passage

00:35:35like Proverbs 6.2,

00:35:38thou art snared

00:35:39with the words

00:35:39of thy mouth

00:35:40and build

00:35:41an entire

00:35:42positive confession

00:35:44doctrine on that.

00:35:46And you said

00:35:46a moment ago

00:35:47where all the things

00:35:49or most of the things

00:35:51these guys teach,

00:35:52it has an element

00:35:53of truth to it

00:35:55and that's what

00:35:56is so deceptive

00:35:58about it.

00:36:00There are

00:36:01plenty of passages

00:36:03in the Bible

00:36:03that encourage us

00:36:05to be

00:36:05positive people

00:36:07such as

00:36:08when Paul said

00:36:09if there's anything

00:36:09good

00:36:10and lovely

00:36:12and beautiful

00:36:13and of a good report,

00:36:14think on these things.

00:36:15But he's not saying,

00:36:18I mean,

00:36:18that's an encouragement

00:36:19to think

00:36:20on good

00:36:21and godly

00:36:22and biblical faults

00:36:23but that's not saying

00:36:25you're going to be

00:36:25reprimanded

00:36:26if you ever have

00:36:27a thought of doubt

00:36:29or a thought of worry.

00:36:31In Proverbs 6.2,

00:36:33it does say,

00:36:34thou art snared

00:36:34with the words

00:36:35of thy mouth

00:36:36and Hobart

00:36:36took the first half

00:36:38of the second verse

00:36:40of the sixth chapter

00:36:41of Proverbs,

00:36:42built a whole doctrine

00:36:43on it

00:36:44and he said

00:36:44if you confess

00:36:46anything negative

00:36:47then that's going

00:36:48to happen to you

00:36:48and that's what

00:36:49that verse is saying.

00:36:50That is not

00:36:51what that verse

00:36:52is saying.

00:36:53If you read

00:36:53the verse

00:36:54before it,

00:36:55it is a warning

00:36:56against

00:36:58being too quick

00:36:59to co-sign

00:37:01alone with someone

00:37:02to agree

00:37:03to do something

00:37:05for someone

00:37:06on their behalf

00:37:08or in their stead

00:37:09because you can't

00:37:11trust their reliability.

00:37:12It doesn't have

00:37:14anything to do

00:37:15with positive thinking

00:37:16and confession.

00:37:18Not only does it

00:37:18not have

00:37:19much to do,

00:37:20it doesn't have

00:37:21a single thing

00:37:22to do with that

00:37:23at all.

00:37:24But this is the danger

00:37:26of leaping through

00:37:27the Bible, John.

00:37:28It's always a plea

00:37:29on my part

00:37:30for reading

00:37:32the Bible yourself

00:37:33and for

00:37:34good hermeneutics.

00:37:36We talked a few

00:37:37weeks ago

00:37:38about

00:37:38the oneness

00:37:40heresy

00:37:40and Trinitarianism.

00:37:43And

00:37:43the way

00:37:44you end up

00:37:45with some

00:37:45of these heresies

00:37:46is

00:37:47you find

00:37:49a passage.

00:37:50I'm convinced

00:37:51these people,

00:37:52all of them,

00:37:53all of us,

00:37:53I will include myself

00:37:55because there have

00:37:55been times

00:37:56in my past life

00:37:58where I'm 100%

00:37:59certain I did it.

00:38:00There may be times

00:38:01now

00:38:02that I'm simply

00:38:02unaware of,

00:38:04but where we have

00:38:05a belief,

00:38:06a doctrine,

00:38:06and we're just

00:38:06looking for a verse

00:38:07to back it up.

00:38:08And so the oneness

00:38:10people,

00:38:11they don't want

00:38:12to believe

00:38:12in a triune God

00:38:14and so they'll say,

00:38:15well,

00:38:15didn't Jesus say

00:38:16I and my Father

00:38:18are one?

00:38:20How much clearer

00:38:21can you get

00:38:22than that?

00:38:22I and my Father

00:38:23are one.

00:38:25Well,

00:38:26my response is

00:38:27I think you can

00:38:27get a lot clearer.

00:38:29I don't think

00:38:29that is that clear

00:38:31of a passage

00:38:31because I'm thinking

00:38:32of a passage

00:38:34where Paul said

00:38:35that in the marriage

00:38:37of a husband

00:38:38and wife,

00:38:39they become one.

00:38:41Well,

00:38:41now wait a minute.

00:38:42They're not actually

00:38:43the same individual person,

00:38:46are they?

00:38:47So,

00:38:48no,

00:38:49of course they're not.

00:38:50So oneness,

00:38:52here's what I'm saying,

00:38:53oneness,

00:38:54the concept of oneness

00:38:55takes on

00:38:57a different meaning

00:38:58depending on

00:38:59its context

00:39:00and depending

00:39:01on the subject matter.

00:39:02So because Jesus said

00:39:04I and my Father

00:39:05are one

00:39:06and a oneness person

00:39:08will say,

00:39:09see,

00:39:09there's no difference.

00:39:10They're exactly

00:39:11the same being.

00:39:12I would say,

00:39:13no,

00:39:14that's not how

00:39:15we're to interpret that.

00:39:17That's not that clear

00:39:18of a passage.

00:39:19That is a little bit

00:39:20of a mysterious saying

00:39:22just as it's

00:39:22a mysterious saying

00:39:24where Paul said

00:39:25when you're married

00:39:26the husband and wife

00:39:27become one.

00:39:28There is a meaning there

00:39:30but it does not mean

00:39:31they're the exact

00:39:32same individual.

00:39:33You have to go

00:39:35to a passage

00:39:36talking about

00:39:37Jesus and the Father

00:39:38that is clearer

00:39:39than that passage

00:39:40and it was just

00:39:42a principle

00:39:43of hermeneutics

00:39:44that you always go

00:39:45to the clearer passages

00:39:48to help you interpret

00:39:49the less clear passages.

00:39:52So a clearer passage

00:39:53would be

00:39:54in that same discourse

00:39:56in the upper room

00:39:57where Jesus is telling

00:39:59the remaining

00:40:0011 apostles there

00:40:01I don't want you

00:40:03to worry

00:40:03I don't want you

00:40:04to be afraid

00:40:05because when I leave

00:40:07when I

00:40:08when I myself

00:40:09and I

00:40:09when I leave

00:40:10I'm going to pray

00:40:12to the Father

00:40:13and He is going

00:40:14to send you

00:40:15the Holy Spirit

00:40:16in my stead

00:40:18and He will remain

00:40:19with you forever.

00:40:20That actually

00:40:21is a clearer passage

00:40:23because it delineates

00:40:25exactly what's going

00:40:27to happen.

00:40:27That's a clearer passage

00:40:28than the one

00:40:30that says

00:40:30I and my Father

00:40:31are one.

00:40:32Don't ever be

00:40:32afraid to say

00:40:33this passage

00:40:34isn't that clear.

00:40:36This passage

00:40:36over here

00:40:37is very clear.

00:40:38You always use

00:40:39in hermeneutics

00:40:40you always use

00:40:41the clearer passage

00:40:42to help you

00:40:44interpret the one

00:40:45that is not as clear.

00:40:47I'm going to give you

00:40:48a verse Sean

00:40:49that I bet you could

00:40:50quote from memory

00:40:51that is so famous

00:40:53in charismatic

00:40:54Pentecostal circles

00:40:56but it is misused

00:40:59about 100%

00:41:00of the time

00:41:01and that is

00:41:02Hebrews 13

00:41:03and verse 8

00:41:04where we read

00:41:05Jesus Christ

00:41:06the same yesterday

00:41:07today

00:41:08and forever.

00:41:11So the occasion

00:41:13when that verse

00:41:15pops up in a sermon

00:41:16is the guy

00:41:17the minister up there

00:41:18will be talking about

00:41:19Jesus casting out

00:41:20a demon

00:41:21or Jesus raising

00:41:22the dead

00:41:22or Jesus multiplying

00:41:25the load

00:41:25or Jesus doing

00:41:26something

00:41:27and he'll be telling

00:41:28you that story

00:41:29and then immediately

00:41:30they bring in

00:41:30now remember

00:41:31Hebrews 13

00:41:328

00:41:33Jesus Christ

00:41:33the same yesterday

00:41:34today

00:41:35and forever

00:41:35and I would say

00:41:37pump the brakes

00:41:39for a moment.

00:41:41What is the context

00:41:42of Hebrews 13

00:41:438

00:41:44and what type

00:41:45of statement

00:41:46is actually being made

00:41:47by the author

00:41:48of Hebrews

00:41:49in saying that?

00:41:50Is he saying

00:41:51that we can expect

00:41:54that anything

00:41:55Jesus ever

00:41:57if he ever did

00:41:58something

00:41:58if he ever did

00:41:59anything

00:42:00then he's willing

00:42:01to do it

00:42:02today as well.

00:42:03I don't think

00:42:04that's what the

00:42:05verse is saying

00:42:06because if you

00:42:08and but that's

00:42:09what the Pentecostal

00:42:10people wanted to say

00:42:11so that they can

00:42:13have a duplication

00:42:14of everything

00:42:15seen in the gospels.

00:42:16I believe that

00:42:18healing is still

00:42:19for today

00:42:19but I don't think

00:42:20that just because

00:42:21Jesus multiplied

00:42:23the loaves

00:42:23and fishes

00:42:24that anybody

00:42:25has the power

00:42:27or authority

00:42:28on a regular basis

00:42:29to do that today

00:42:30and yet

00:42:31you could make

00:42:32Hebrews 13

00:42:338 say that

00:42:34well if Jesus

00:42:35did it then

00:42:35that was yesterday

00:42:37today's today

00:42:38he's the same

00:42:38yesterday

00:42:39today

00:42:39so I can expect

00:42:40him to do that

00:42:41today.

00:42:42I think that

00:42:43his operations

00:42:45differ over time

00:42:46he chose

00:42:47the nation

00:42:47of Israel

00:42:48he chose

00:42:49them

00:42:49God chose

00:42:50them

00:42:50as his

00:42:51special people

00:42:51I don't read

00:42:52anywhere in the

00:42:53Bible he's ever

00:42:53going to choose

00:42:54another nation

00:42:55as his special

00:42:56people

00:42:56he brought them

00:42:57out of Egypt

00:42:58with all of

00:42:59these plagues

00:42:59I don't read

00:43:00where he's ever

00:43:01going to deliver

00:43:01another nation

00:43:03just like he

00:43:03delivered them

00:43:04simply because

00:43:05he did it

00:43:06well is God

00:43:07the same

00:43:07or is he not

00:43:08the same

00:43:09ontologically

00:43:10he is the

00:43:11same being

00:43:12but his

00:43:12operations

00:43:13aren't always

00:43:14the same

00:43:15so if you

00:43:16read Hebrews

00:43:1713 8

00:43:17in the context

00:43:18of the

00:43:19whole book

00:43:19of Hebrews

00:43:20I think

00:43:21what you're

00:43:21seeing there

00:43:22in those

00:43:22two previous

00:43:23chapters

00:43:24is in

00:43:25spite of

00:43:26the difficulties

00:43:27that all

00:43:29of the

00:43:29Old Testament

00:43:30saints

00:43:30went through

00:43:31persecutions

00:43:32martyrdoms

00:43:34you know

00:43:34deaths of

00:43:34every kind

00:43:35in spite

00:43:36of all

00:43:36that

00:43:37in spite

00:43:37of what

00:43:38the Hebrew

00:43:38Christians

00:43:39they were

00:43:39going through

00:43:40persecution

00:43:41of their

00:43:41own

00:43:42in spite

00:43:43of all

00:43:43that

00:43:43I think

00:43:45what he

00:43:45is saying

00:43:45is just

00:43:46as God

00:43:47has always

00:43:48been with

00:43:48his people

00:43:49down through

00:43:49history

00:43:50even to

00:43:51the point

00:43:51of death

00:43:52he will

00:43:53all

00:43:53he has

00:43:53made that

00:43:54same

00:43:54promise

00:43:55to you

00:43:55it says

00:43:55that a few

00:43:56verses

00:43:56previous

00:43:57to 13

00:43:578

00:43:58I will

00:43:58never

00:43:59leave

00:43:59you

00:43:59and I

00:43:59will

00:43:59never

00:44:00forsake

00:44:00you

00:44:00I

00:44:01will

00:44:01still

00:44:01be

00:44:01there

00:44:02with

00:44:02you

00:44:02no

00:44:03matter

00:44:03what

00:44:03you're

00:44:03going

00:44:04through

00:44:04so I

00:44:05think

00:44:05it's

00:44:05just

00:44:05bad

00:44:05exegesis

00:44:06of

00:44:07Hebrews

00:44:0713

00:44:078

00:44:08well

00:44:08and some

00:44:09of it

00:44:09just comes

00:44:09down

00:44:10to

00:44:10common

00:44:10sense

00:44:10I've

00:44:11led

00:44:12I've

00:44:13managed

00:44:13teams

00:44:13of

00:44:14people

00:44:14and

00:44:15when

00:44:15you

00:44:15build

00:44:16a

00:44:16team

00:44:16it

00:44:17looks

00:44:17entirely

00:44:17different

00:44:18than

00:44:18when

00:44:18you

00:44:18take

00:44:19that

00:44:19same

00:44:19team

00:44:19and

00:44:20you

00:44:20put

00:44:20them

00:44:20onto

00:44:20a

00:44:20new

00:44:20project

00:44:21there's

00:44:22a

00:44:22series

00:44:22of

00:44:22steps

00:44:22you

00:44:23go

00:44:23through

00:44:23to

00:44:23get

00:44:23familiar

00:44:24with

00:44:24the

00:44:24team

00:44:24what

00:44:24they're

00:44:25going

00:44:25to

00:44:25do

00:44:25each

00:44:25person

00:44:26their

00:44:26task

00:44:26and

00:44:27then

00:44:27the

00:44:28team

00:44:28themselves

00:44:29begin

00:44:30to

00:44:30learn

00:44:30and

00:44:31grow

00:44:31and

00:44:31sometimes

00:44:31their

00:44:32tasks

00:44:32change

00:44:33over

00:44:33time

00:44:33the

00:44:34way

00:44:34that

00:44:35these

00:44:35ministries

00:44:36have

00:44:36pushed

00:44:37the

00:44:37Bible

00:44:38text

00:44:39and

00:44:39context

00:44:40is that

00:44:41everything

00:44:41remains

00:44:42static

00:44:42forever

00:44:43and

00:44:43they

00:44:44use

00:44:44that

00:44:44exact

00:44:44passage

00:44:45to

00:44:45say

00:44:45this

00:44:46God's

00:44:46always

00:44:47going

00:44:47there's

00:44:48a

00:44:48phrase

00:44:49if

00:44:50you

00:44:50have

00:44:50a

00:44:50hammer

00:44:50everything

00:44:51looks

00:44:51like

00:44:51a

00:44:51nail

00:44:52what's

00:44:52like

00:44:52saying

00:44:53that

00:44:53God

00:44:53is

00:44:53going

00:44:53to

00:44:54use

00:44:54a

00:44:54hammer

00:44:54and

00:44:55a

00:44:55nail

00:44:55forever

00:44:55well

00:44:56now

00:44:56what

00:44:57happens

00:44:57whenever

00:44:57you

00:44:57have

00:44:58you

00:44:58building

00:44:58a

00:44:59building

00:44:59and

00:44:59you

00:44:59got

00:45:00metal

00:45:00framework

00:45:01that

00:45:01takes

00:45:01screws

00:45:02God

00:45:03is

00:45:03not

00:45:03going

00:45:04to

00:45:04be

00:45:04so

00:45:04inferior

00:45:06that

00:45:06he's

00:45:07going

00:45:07to

00:45:07use

00:45:07an

00:45:07archaic

00:45:08tool

00:45:08well

00:45:09what

00:45:09I'm

00:45:10trying

00:45:10to

00:45:10say

00:45:10with

00:45:10that

00:45:11and

00:45:11that

00:45:11may

00:45:11have

00:45:11not

00:45:12been

00:45:12the

00:45:12greatest

00:45:12of

00:45:13examples

00:45:13there

00:45:15are

00:45:15scenarios

00:45:17in which

00:45:18the people

00:45:18are learning

00:45:19and growing

00:45:19over time

00:45:20and you

00:45:21can

00:45:21clearly

00:45:21read

00:45:22this

00:45:22through

00:45:22the

00:45:23passages

00:45:23of

00:45:23the

00:45:23Old

00:45:24Testament

00:45:24when

00:45:25God

00:45:25is

00:45:25telling

00:45:26them

00:45:26do

00:45:27this

00:45:27thing

00:45:27and

00:45:28I

00:45:28will

00:45:28bless

00:45:28you

00:45:29and

00:45:29if

00:45:29you

00:45:29don't

00:45:29this

00:45:30is

00:45:30the

00:45:30thing

00:45:31that's

00:45:31going

00:45:31to

00:45:31happen

00:45:31to

00:45:31you

00:45:32and

00:45:32the

00:45:33people

00:45:33do

00:45:33it

00:45:33they

00:45:33fail

00:45:34they

00:45:34learn

00:45:34from

00:45:35it

00:45:35sometimes

00:45:36they

00:45:36don't

00:45:36learn

00:45:36from

00:45:37it

00:45:37there

00:45:38there's

00:45:38this

00:45:38process

00:45:39of

00:45:39learning

00:45:39the

00:45:39same

00:45:40as

00:45:40how

00:45:40whenever

00:45:41I'm

00:45:41building

00:45:41my

00:45:41team

00:45:42I'm

00:45:42teaching

00:45:43them

00:45:43they're

00:45:43learning

00:45:44they're

00:45:44growing

00:45:44well

00:45:45then

00:45:45come

00:45:46forward

00:45:46to

00:45:46the

00:45:46New

00:45:46Testament

00:45:47and

00:45:48the

00:45:49book

00:45:50of

00:45:50Hebrews

00:45:50is

00:45:50probably

00:45:50the

00:45:51best

00:45:51example

00:45:51we

00:45:52have

00:45:52a

00:45:52new

00:45:52high

00:45:52priest

00:45:53everything

00:45:53has

00:45:54now

00:45:54changed

00:45:55because

00:45:55they're

00:45:57entered

00:45:57into

00:45:58a

00:45:58new

00:45:58covenant

00:45:58the

00:45:59ways

00:46:00of

00:46:01the

00:46:01old

00:46:01covenant

00:46:01I

00:46:02think

00:46:02there's

00:46:02a

00:46:03passage

00:46:03even

00:46:03Paul

00:46:04says

00:46:04this

00:46:05was

00:46:05a

00:46:05lesson

00:46:05for

00:46:05us

00:46:06and

00:46:07you

00:46:07probably

00:46:07know

00:46:08exactly

00:46:08what

00:46:08verse

00:46:08I'm

00:46:09talking

00:46:09about

00:46:091 Corinthians

00:46:1010

00:46:11yes

00:46:11so

00:46:12this

00:46:12was

00:46:12a

00:46:13lesson

00:46:13for

00:46:13us

00:46:13what

00:46:14these

00:46:14ministers

00:46:15have

00:46:16tried

00:46:16to

00:46:16do

00:46:16they

00:46:17try

00:46:17to

00:46:17take

00:46:17those

00:46:17old

00:46:18covenant

00:46:18passages

00:46:18and

00:46:19instead

00:46:20of

00:46:20using

00:46:20it

00:46:20as

00:46:20the

00:46:21lesson

00:46:21that

00:46:21was

00:46:22given

00:46:22to

00:46:22the

00:46:22Christians

00:46:23instead

00:46:24now

00:46:24this

00:46:24is

00:46:25God

00:46:25remains

00:46:26the

00:46:26same

00:46:26forever

00:46:27this

00:46:27is

00:46:27how

00:46:27he's

00:46:28always

00:46:28done

00:46:28it

00:46:28Jesus

00:46:29Christ

00:46:30the

00:46:30same

00:46:30yesterday

00:46:31today

00:46:31and

00:46:31forever

00:46:31the

00:46:33funniest

00:46:34part

00:46:34about

00:46:34all

00:46:34of

00:46:35that

00:46:35is

00:46:35that

00:46:36hit

00:46:37me

00:46:37probably

00:46:38two

00:46:39years

00:46:39into

00:46:39my

00:46:39leaving

00:46:40that

00:46:41phrase

00:46:41was

00:46:42used

00:46:42for

00:46:43passages

00:46:43where

00:46:44Jesus

00:46:44had

00:46:44not

00:46:45yet

00:46:45even

00:46:45come

00:46:45to

00:46:45earth

00:46:46yet

00:46:46and

00:46:48so

00:46:48I'm

00:46:48thinking

00:46:49now

00:46:49wait

00:46:49a

00:46:49minute

00:46:50how

00:46:50does

00:46:50that

00:46:50work

00:46:51how

00:46:51is

00:46:51Jesus

00:46:51Christ

00:46:52the

00:46:52same

00:46:52yesterday

00:46:52today

00:46:53and

00:46:53forever

00:46:53with

00:46:54Moses

00:46:55you know

00:46:55it

00:46:56doesn't

00:46:58really

00:46:58apply

00:46:59correctly

00:46:59and

00:46:59it

00:47:00all

00:47:00comes

00:47:00back

00:47:00to

00:47:00this

00:47:01people

00:47:01are

00:47:02trying

00:47:02to

00:47:02teach

00:47:03the

00:47:03Bible

00:47:03without

00:47:04having

00:47:04yet

00:47:04understood

00:47:05what

00:47:05the

00:47:05Bible

00:47:05says

00:47:06yes

00:47:07and

00:47:08you

00:47:08know

00:47:08the

00:47:08example

00:47:09I

00:47:09go

00:47:09back

00:47:09to

00:47:10in

00:47:10my

00:47:10mind

00:47:10is

00:47:11trying

00:47:12to

00:47:12forbid

00:47:13women

00:47:13from

00:47:15and

00:47:18you know

00:47:18we've

00:47:18talked

00:47:18about

00:47:19that

00:47:19before

00:47:19it's

00:47:20you know

00:47:21there's

00:47:21nothing

00:47:22in the

00:47:22New

00:47:22Testament

00:47:22that tells

00:47:23a woman

00:47:23she can't

00:47:24wear

00:47:24pants

00:47:24you have

00:47:25to go

00:47:25to

00:47:25truly

00:47:26an

00:47:26archaic

00:47:26passage

00:47:27in the

00:47:27Old

00:47:27Testament

00:47:28I think

00:47:29it's

00:47:29Deuteronomy

00:47:2922

00:47:30and

00:47:30verse 5

00:47:31and

00:47:32you have

00:47:32to take

00:47:32it out

00:47:33of its

00:47:33context

00:47:33and then

00:47:34to

00:47:35compound

00:47:35matters

00:47:36you have

00:47:36to

00:47:36refuse

00:47:37to

00:47:37obey

00:47:37the

00:47:38rest

00:47:38of

00:47:38that

00:47:38chapter

00:47:39which

00:47:39tells

00:47:40you

00:47:40can't

00:47:40plant

00:47:41different

00:47:41types

00:47:42of

00:47:42seeds

00:47:42beside

00:47:43each

00:47:43other

00:47:43in

00:47:43your

00:47:43garden

00:47:44and

00:47:44you

00:47:44can't

00:47:44wear

00:47:45clothes

00:47:45that

00:47:46are

00:47:46made

00:47:46of

00:47:46a

00:47:47mixture

00:47:47of

00:47:48fabric

00:47:48none

00:47:49of

00:47:49them

00:47:49obey

00:47:49that

00:47:50but

00:47:50they

00:47:50just

00:47:50want

00:47:51to

00:47:51obey

00:47:51the

00:47:52earlier

00:47:52thing

00:47:52so

00:47:53you're

00:47:53right

00:47:53John

00:47:53it

00:47:53really

00:47:54comes

00:47:54down

00:47:54to

00:47:54people

00:47:55just

00:47:55don't

00:47:56know

00:47:56the

00:47:56Bible

00:47:56they

00:47:57really

00:47:57don't

00:47:57understand

00:47:58the

00:47:58Bible

00:47:58they

00:47:59don't

00:47:59know

00:47:59what

00:48:00it

00:48:00means

00:48:00they

00:48:00don't

00:48:00know

00:48:00what

00:48:01it's

00:48:01about

00:48:01they

00:48:01don't

00:48:02know

00:48:02it's

00:48:12mind

00:48:12he

00:48:13was

00:48:13trained

00:48:14himself

00:48:14he

00:48:15actually

00:48:15was

00:48:15trained

00:48:16he

00:48:16had

00:48:16a

00:48:16master

00:48:17in

00:48:17theology

00:48:18from

00:48:18Southern

00:48:19Baptist

00:48:19Seminary

00:48:20in

00:48:20Louisville

00:48:20and

00:48:21he

00:48:21had

00:48:21a

00:48:22doctorate

00:48:22in

00:48:22theology

00:48:23not

00:48:23in

00:48:23philosophy

00:48:24it's

00:48:24a

00:48:24very

00:48:25specialized

00:48:25degree

00:48:27there

00:48:27are

00:48:27lots

00:48:27of

00:48:27doctorates

00:48:28in

00:48:28philosophy

00:48:29a

00:48:29PhD

00:48:29but

00:48:30he

00:48:30had

00:48:31a

00:48:31THD

00:48:31in

00:48:31Old

00:48:32Testament

00:48:32and

00:48:32Hebrew

00:48:33from

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00:54:22theology

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00:54:49only

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00:55:10Dr.

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00:55:23biblical

00:55:23scholar

00:55:24that he

00:55:24was able

00:55:25to take

00:55:25traditional

00:55:27theological

00:55:27scholarship

00:55:28and

00:55:29wed it

00:55:30with

00:55:31Smith

00:55:31Wigglesworth

00:55:32John G.

00:55:33Lake

00:55:33William

00:55:34Branham

00:55:34charismatic

00:55:35stuff

00:55:36and

00:55:37end up

00:55:37with

00:55:37the

00:55:38perfect

00:55:38balance

00:55:39of

00:55:39those

00:55:39and

00:55:40it

00:55:40simply

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00:55:41happen

00:55:41if

00:55:42you

00:55:42hold

00:55:43on

00:55:43to

00:55:44all

00:55:44of

00:55:44Hobart's

00:55:45biblical

00:55:45theology

00:55:46foundation

00:55:47it's

00:55:48going to

00:55:48come

00:55:48with

00:55:48a

00:55:48price

00:55:49you

00:55:49can't

00:55:49escape

00:55:50it

00:55:50there's

00:55:50poison

00:55:51throughout

00:55:51he

00:55:52actually

00:55:53and you

00:55:54won't

00:55:54know

00:55:54this

00:55:55unless

00:55:55you

00:55:55go

00:55:55to

00:55:55seminary

00:55:56yourself

00:55:57or

00:55:57do

00:55:57if

00:55:57you

00:55:57don't

00:55:58go

00:55:58to

00:55:58seminary

00:55:58you

00:55:58don't

00:55:58have

00:55:59to

00:55:59go

00:55:59but

00:55:59you've

00:56:00got

00:56:00to

00:56:00buy

00:56:00the

00:56:00material

00:56:01and

00:56:01you've

00:56:01got

00:56:01to

00:56:01do

00:56:01the

00:56:02study

00:56:02and

00:56:02you've

00:56:02got

00:56:03to

00:56:03do

00:56:03the

00:56:03research

00:56:03yourself

00:56:04he

00:56:05was

00:56:05not

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00:56:06good

00:56:07on

00:56:07just

00:56:07a

00:56:07whole

00:56:08lot

00:56:08of

00:56:08points

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00:56:11complexities

00:56:12of the

00:56:13issues

00:56:13in

00:56:13theology

00:56:14he

00:56:15did

00:56:15not

00:56:15understand

00:56:16the

00:56:16nuances

00:56:17that

00:56:17were

00:56:18involved

00:56:18in

00:56:19certain

00:56:19biblical

00:56:20text

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00:56:21beyond

00:56:22that

00:56:23he

00:56:23was

00:56:23simply

00:56:24wrong

00:56:24about

00:56:25a lot

00:56:25of

00:56:25stuff

00:56:26not

00:56:26only

00:56:27did

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00:56:28the

00:56:28nuances

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00:56:29was

00:56:29wrong

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00:56:31the

00:56:31trinity

00:56:31he

00:56:32was

00:56:32wrong

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00:56:33teaching

00:56:33his

00:56:33people

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00:56:34kept

00:56:34them

00:56:34in

00:56:34fear

00:56:35all

00:56:35the

00:56:35time

00:56:35that

00:56:35they

00:56:36could

00:56:36be

00:56:36saved

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00:56:37they

00:56:37could

00:56:37lose

00:56:37their

00:56:38salvation

00:56:38he

00:56:39was

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00:56:40teaching

00:56:40on

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00:56:42he

00:56:43was

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00:56:44eschatology

00:56:45he

00:56:45was

00:56:45wrong

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00:56:46textual

00:56:46transmission

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00:56:47was

00:56:48wrong

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00:56:48so

00:56:48many

00:56:49things

00:56:49so

00:56:50if

00:56:50you

00:56:51think

00:56:51here's

00:56:52what

00:56:52I

00:56:52would

00:56:52say

00:56:53John

00:56:53if

00:56:53you

00:56:53think

00:56:53that

00:56:54you

00:56:54are

00:56:54smart

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00:56:56you

00:56:56may

00:56:56be

00:56:57if

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00:56:57think

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00:56:58smart

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00:56:59trained

00:56:59enough

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00:57:00qualified

00:57:00to

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00:57:02choose

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00:57:02good

00:57:02and

00:57:03the

00:57:03bad

00:57:03I

00:57:04would

00:57:04simply

00:57:04say

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00:57:05because

00:57:06there's

00:57:07poison

00:57:07throughout

00:57:07and

00:57:08there

00:57:09is

00:57:09not

00:57:09the

00:57:10same

00:57:10type

00:57:11of

00:57:11misleading

00:57:12poison

00:57:13there

00:57:14that

00:57:14you'll

00:57:15find

00:57:15in

00:57:15some

00:57:16scholarly

00:57:16book

00:57:16on

00:57:17the

00:57:17subject

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00:57:18those

00:57:18guys

00:57:19didn't

00:57:19pretend

00:57:20to

00:57:20know

00:57:20it

00:57:20all

00:57:20like

00:57:21Hobart

00:57:22did

00:57:22you

00:57:22can

00:57:22go

00:57:23read

00:57:23other

00:57:24better

00:57:25scholarly

00:57:26works

00:57:26on

00:57:26whatever

00:57:27the

00:57:27topic

00:57:27is

00:57:27you're

00:57:28interested

00:57:28in

00:57:28and

00:57:29it's

00:57:29going

00:57:29to

00:57:29advance

00:57:30you

00:57:30way

00:57:31past

00:57:31where

00:57:32Dr.

00:57:32Freeman

00:57:33would

00:57:33have

00:57:33ever

00:57:33taken

00:57:34you

00:57:34because

00:57:35while

00:57:35you're

00:57:35listening

00:57:36to

00:57:36some

00:57:36of

00:57:37the

00:57:37accurate

00:57:38things

00:57:38that

00:57:38Dr.

00:57:39Freeman

00:57:39does

00:57:39have

00:57:40to

00:57:40say

00:57:40in

00:57:41some

00:57:41theological

00:57:41areas

00:57:42poison

00:57:43is

00:57:43mixed

00:57:43in

00:57:43with

00:57:44it

00:57:44all

00:57:44the

00:57:44time

00:57:44I'll

00:57:45just

00:57:45give

00:57:45you

00:57:45one

00:57:45example

00:57:46and

00:57:46I'll

00:57:46shut

00:57:47up

00:57:47for

00:57:47you

00:57:47John

00:57:48when

00:57:49he

00:57:49was

00:57:49teaching

00:57:49just

00:57:50I

00:57:51think

00:57:51it

00:57:51was

00:57:51just

00:57:51Old

00:57:52Testament

00:57:52introduction

00:57:53teaching

00:57:53the

00:57:54little

00:57:54book

00:57:54of

00:57:54Obadiah

00:57:55he

00:57:55gets

00:57:56to

00:57:56the

00:57:56last

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00:57:57of

00:57:57Obadiah

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00:57:59in

00:57:59a

00:57:59classroom

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00:58:01where

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00:58:02going

00:58:02to

00:58:02study

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00:58:03Obadiah

00:58:04the

00:58:04date

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00:58:05the

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00:58:08the

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00:58:10the

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00:58:11book

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00:58:14were

00:58:14the

00:58:14original

00:58:15recipients

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00:58:16the

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00:58:16theme

00:58:17of

00:58:17the

00:58:17book

00:58:17those

00:58:18are

00:58:18things

00:58:18you

00:58:18do

00:58:19with

00:58:19Old

00:58:19Testament

00:58:20survey

00:58:20or

00:58:21Old

00:58:21Testament

00:58:21introduction

00:58:22so

00:58:22we

00:58:23get

00:58:23to

00:58:23the

00:58:23last

00:58:24verse

00:58:24and

00:58:25it

00:58:25says

00:58:25if

00:58:26I

00:58:26can

00:58:26remember

00:58:26it

00:58:27in

00:58:27my

00:58:27mind

00:58:27it

00:58:28says

00:58:28that

00:58:28saviors

00:58:29will

00:58:29come

00:58:29and

00:58:30the

00:58:30word

00:58:30can

00:58:30also

00:58:30be

00:58:31translated

00:58:31deliverers

00:58:32that

00:58:32deliverers

00:58:33will

00:58:33come

00:58:34upon

00:58:34Mount

00:58:34Zion

00:58:35to

00:58:35judge

00:58:36the

00:58:36Mount

00:58:36of

00:58:36Esau

00:58:37and

00:58:37the

00:58:38kingdom

00:58:38shall

00:58:39be

00:58:39the

00:58:39Lord's

00:58:39I

00:58:40think

00:58:40that's

00:58:40a

00:58:40very

00:58:41close

00:58:41quotation

00:58:42or

00:58:43close

00:58:43to

00:58:44it

00:58:44of

00:58:44the

00:58:44last

00:58:44verse

00:58:45of

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00:58:45verse

00:58:4621

00:58:46that

00:58:47deliverers

00:58:48will

00:58:48come

00:58:48upon

00:58:49Mount

00:58:49Zion

00:58:49to

00:58:50judge

00:58:50the

00:58:51Mount

00:58:51of

00:58:51Esau

00:58:51and

00:58:52the

00:58:52kingdom

00:58:52shall

00:58:53be

00:58:53the

00:58:53Lord's

00:58:53you

00:58:54say

00:58:54what

00:58:54can

00:58:55you

00:58:55get

00:58:55out

00:58:55of

00:58:55that

00:58:55well

00:58:56here's

00:58:56what

00:58:57you

00:58:57get

00:58:57out

00:58:57of

00:58:57that

00:58:57when

00:58:58you

00:58:59have

00:58:59this

00:58:59big

00:59:06do

00:59:07a

00:59:07one

00:59:08I

00:59:08know

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00:59:08done

00:59:08a

00:59:09bunch

00:59:09on

00:59:09deliverance

00:59:10but

00:59:10we

00:59:10need

00:59:10to

00:59:10do

00:59:11something

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00:59:12Hobart's

00:59:13view

00:59:13on

00:59:13it

00:59:14I've

00:59:14got

00:59:14requests

00:59:15on

00:59:15that

00:59:15I've

00:59:16got

00:59:16requests

00:59:17from

00:59:17another

00:59:17brother

00:59:18on

00:59:18eternal

00:59:18security

00:59:19because

00:59:20he

00:59:20said

00:59:20Hobart

00:59:21always

00:59:21kept

00:59:21me

00:59:21eternally

00:59:22insecure

00:59:22that

00:59:23I

00:59:23just

00:59:24felt

00:59:24every

00:59:24day

00:59:24I

00:59:25was

00:59:25going

00:59:25to

00:59:25hell

00:59:25and

00:59:26lose

00:59:26my

00:59:26salvation

00:59:27anyway

00:59:28back

00:59:28to

00:59:29Obadiah

00:59:29verse

00:59:2921

00:59:30so

00:59:31here's

00:59:31Hobart

00:59:32just

00:59:36date

00:59:36authorship

00:59:37recipient

00:59:38that

00:59:38kind

00:59:38of

00:59:38stuff

00:59:39but

00:59:40I'm

00:59:40telling

00:59:40you

00:59:41he

00:59:41always

00:59:42found

00:59:42a

00:59:42way

00:59:43to

00:59:43weave

00:59:43into

00:59:44it

00:59:44crazy

00:59:44charismatic

00:59:45stuff

00:59:46so

00:59:46we

00:59:47get

00:59:47to

00:59:47Obadiah's

00:59:48last

00:59:48verse

00:59:49and

00:59:49it

00:59:49says

00:59:49deliverers

00:59:50will

00:59:50come

00:59:50upon

00:59:51Mount

00:59:51Zion

00:59:51to

00:59:52judge

00:59:52the

00:59:52Mount

00:59:52of

00:59:53Esau

00:59:53and

00:59:54he

00:59:54said

00:59:54I

00:59:54also

00:59:55think

00:59:55that

00:59:56this

00:59:56has

00:59:56reference

00:59:57to

00:59:57all

00:59:58of

00:59:58the

00:59:58end

00:59:58time

00:59:58deliverance

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01:00:00that

01:00:00God

01:00:00is

01:00:00raising

01:00:01up

01:00:01in

01:00:01the

01:00:01body

01:00:06you've

01:00:07got

01:00:07to

01:00:07be

01:00:07kidding

01:00:07me

01:00:08that

01:00:08was

01:00:08nowhere

01:00:09in

01:00:09Obadiah's

01:00:10mind

01:00:11he

01:00:11had

01:00:12nothing

01:00:12to

01:00:12say

01:00:12about

01:00:13any

01:00:13kind

01:00:13of

01:00:14end

01:00:14time

01:00:14deliverance

01:00:15casting

01:00:15out

01:00:16demon

01:00:16ministry

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01:00:17verse

01:00:17and

01:00:18that

01:00:18context

01:00:18and

01:00:19that

01:00:19book

01:00:19have

01:00:20nothing

01:00:20to

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01:00:22an

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01:00:23there

01:00:23are

01:00:23hundreds

01:00:24of

01:00:24them

01:00:24that

01:00:25if

01:00:25you

01:00:25carefully

01:00:25listen

01:00:26to

01:00:26Dr.

01:00:26Freeman

01:00:26you

01:00:27will

01:00:27find

01:00:28that

01:00:28following

01:00:28the

01:00:29theology

01:00:29will

01:00:30come

01:00:30with

01:00:30a

01:00:30price

01:00:31there's

01:00:31very

01:00:32little

01:00:32that

01:00:32I

01:00:32would

01:00:32add

01:00:32to

01:00:33that

01:00:33but

01:00:33there

01:00:33is

01:00:33one

01:00:34thing

01:00:34that

01:00:34I

01:00:34will

01:00:34say

01:00:35I

01:00:36have

01:00:36had

01:00:36people

01:00:37I

01:00:37had

01:00:37the

01:00:37same

01:00:38conversation

01:00:38that

01:00:38you

01:00:38and

01:00:39I

01:00:39have

01:00:39just

01:00:39had

01:00:40I've

01:00:40had

01:00:40this

01:00:40with

01:00:40people

01:00:41who

01:00:41have

01:00:41escaped

01:00:41the

01:00:41cults

01:00:42and

01:00:43my

01:00:43advice

01:00:43is

01:00:43always

01:00:44just

01:00:44go

01:00:44read

01:00:44the

01:00:44book

01:00:45for

01:00:45yourself

01:00:45it's

01:00:45simple

01:00:46and

01:00:46sadly

01:00:47many

01:00:48people

01:00:48often

01:00:49respond

01:00:50with

01:00:50this

01:00:50I'm

01:00:51not

01:00:51capable

01:00:52I'm

01:01:00their

01:01:01heads

01:01:01by

01:01:01these

01:01:01people

01:01:01these

01:01:02scoundrels

01:01:03who

01:01:03want

01:01:04to

01:01:04claim

01:01:04full

01:01:05authority

01:01:05and

01:01:06control

01:01:06of

01:01:07how

01:01:07they

01:01:07understand

01:01:08the

01:01:08Bible

01:01:08but

01:01:09yet

01:01:09the

01:01:09Bible

01:01:10was

01:01:10written

01:01:10where

01:01:10anybody

01:01:10can

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01:01:11it's

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01:01:13the

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01:01:21the

01:01:21Bible

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01:01:23every

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01:01:27Wednesday

01:01:27night

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01:01:27other

01:01:28people

01:01:28every

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01:01:30to

01:01:30a

01:01:30minister

01:01:31to

01:01:31try

01:01:31to

01:01:31determine

01:01:32if

01:01:32what

01:01:32he

01:01:32says

01:01:32is

01:01:33biblical

01:01:33it's

01:01:34far

01:01:34more

01:01:35work

01:01:35than

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01:01:36the

01:01:36book

01:01:37yourself

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01:01:38he

01:01:38says

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01:01:38you'll

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01:01:40read

01:01:40it

01:01:40and

01:01:40you

01:01:41can

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01:01:42are

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