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William Branham Historical Research

John and Laura-Lynn expose how hidden doctrines, secret networks, and unchecked apostolic authority connect modern revival movements back to William Branham and the Manifest Sons of God theology. Laura-Lynn recounts her firsthand experience within Art Lucier’s circles and the unfolding allegations surrounding Daystar Canada and other NAR leaders, revealing patterns of moral failure, financial misconduct, and abuse of power. John connects these events to Branham’s early networks with Roy E. Davis, the Full Gospel Businessmen, and even Christian Identity roots—showing how these old engines of influence continue to power modern charismatic movements. Together they call believers to discernment, courage, and truth, reminding listeners that exposure and repentance must precede revival.  00:00 Introduction 00:31 The Lazarus Prophecy and Apostolic Governance 04:02 Laura-Lynn’s Experience with Art Lucier and Daystar 09:23 Allegations and Oversight Committee Failures 12:02 Dean Briggs, Manifest Sons, and Apostolic Restoration 16:01 William Branham, Roy Davis, and the Roots of the Network 22:44 Full Gospel Business Men and the Charismatic Machine 25:07 Christian Identity, Dominionism, and Early Influences 33:06 Serpent Seed, Manifest Sons, and Doctrinal Evolution 41:11 Mystery Cults and Hidden Knowledge in Modern Churches 44:51 Personal Story: Branham Concealing the Gospel 45:20 How Deep Does the Corruption Go? 48:04 How to Confront Doctrinal Error Safely 53:12 Losing Friends, Finding Truth 57:00 Final Encouragement and Call to Courage ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg  – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

Transcript

00:00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.

00:00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research

00:00:41at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host and friend, Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson,

00:00:47the host of Laura Lynn Live.

00:00:50Laura Lynn, it's good to be back and to talk about this weird Lazarus mess, among other

00:00:56things. It's so odd because you and I have a little bit of a gap in between when we record

00:01:02and talk, and I've been going down paths of research, several paths of research since

00:01:07we talked, and had a few conversations with people, and it's weird to me how they all seem

00:01:12to come to circle back to you.

00:01:14I just had a conversation just yesterday with Pellegrino Walk, and we were talking about

00:01:20Dean Briggs, and they had mentioned it casually. I had not seen it until talking to you, but

00:01:25this weird Lazarus prophecy, and parts of the reasons why these apostles seem to support

00:01:32each other and lift each other up.

00:01:34And it all goes back to what Chuck Smith called it the Moses model, but basically it's a model

00:01:40where the apostles are untouchable by the people, they are accountable only to God, not accountable

00:01:47to the people, and they are, I jokingly call it the Apostolic Governance Committee, but essentially

00:01:56they are only subject to governance by other apostles.

00:02:00So another apostle says, hey, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, and if you fall,

00:02:06I'll lift you back up. So we're seeing all of this kind of come together, and you mentioned

00:02:11this weird Lazarus prophecy, so I thought it'd be good to talk about this for a while, but

00:02:16this is a mess.

00:02:18This is really a mess, and thank you for having me on again, John. I have such good feedback.

00:02:22I believe that you are, more than you know, changing the dynamics that has happened with

00:02:32some of these people who had bad information and thought that William Branham was all that

00:02:37and didn't have the real facts, and their eyes are literally being opened, and they are being

00:02:42awakened to the truth, and that's because of the incredible work that you're doing.

00:02:47So I have been really honored to be a part of it, because William Branham, you know, as we've

00:02:53talked about in the past, was associated lightly and maybe not so intensely with my church.

00:03:00Nonetheless, I believe he came to speak there. I think you've pointed out things to me, and I'm

00:03:05like, oh my Lord. I hasten to say that it is my understanding that I think that Reg LaZelle

00:03:13may have cut ties because, or, you know, just not really gone down the Branham. I certainly

00:03:20did not hear it in all my years of growing up, but we did have aspects of it that was

00:03:25still being used at GLAAD Tidings. So fast forward to the recent exposures that I've made

00:03:33of Daystar, and there's about to be a breakthrough regarding Daystar. It's going to be some good

00:03:39stuff coming out, and I can't say much more than that, and maybe by the time this airs,

00:03:45it'll all be pretty out there, but there's some breakthroughs coming. God is not done,

00:03:51and He is a just God, and He brings along people who are courageous enough to speak the truth,

00:03:58to stand up for what is right. And so when I began my Daystar show on the Daystar Canada network,

00:04:06my husband and I moved to Kelowna. Then when we moved to Kelowna, we start going to the church

00:04:11of Art Lussier. Art Lussier had been my friend. He had done these Battle for Canada's, including

00:04:17celebrating the 1948 revival in North Battleford, Saskatchewan. And that's kind of where I really

00:04:28began to get to know Art, because he was bringing everyone together to celebrate that movement.

00:04:35Fair enough. Probably some good things came out of it, but ultimately some weird stuff came out

00:04:41of it too. So what happens is I become Art's friend, Art Lussier's friend. I'm invited to the

00:04:50battles. I'm invited to speak. I'm sort of in a somewhat inner circle, although I wasn't invited

00:04:56to the drinking parties. And later I realized, like, why? I mean, why did I not get an invitation

00:05:01to be at the drinking parties? I mean, I thought I was their friend. Of course I would say no,

00:05:06and I wouldn't be the one drinking my face off anyways, because apparently that did happen

00:05:11behind the scenes. A whole bunch of terrible things have happened behind the scenes with

00:05:15Art Lussier. There's another incident from 2010 when a fellow that he was traveling with,

00:05:21they did this big ministry and everything, and the main guy raped an 18-year-old girl.

00:05:27And all of this covered up, hidden, all of it a disaster and a mess. Art Lussier is part

00:05:34of it. They get up and announce that there was an affair and he's, you know, because it

00:05:38came out, the woman actually spoke out and went public on Facebook with a post about what

00:05:44had happened. Oh, we're so sorry. And he confesses an affair, which was not an affair. It was

00:05:51an assault. So, Art Lussier and this gang of wolves, the wolf pack in Canada, have, you know,

00:06:03been coercing together. And basically, the oversight committee that overlooks everything

00:06:08has reinstated him after a pretty long battle. And I have gone after him publicly. When I'm in

00:06:15Kelowna, Daystar ends, and I'm kind of like, you know, Lord, it's weird that you would move

00:06:19me four hours, me and my husband, four hours away just to do the show. And now it's over

00:06:27because God doesn't, he's not surprised. He knew that he called me to Daystar to expose

00:06:32Daystar. I guess there was something about me that God knew I wouldn't put up with it.

00:06:37And I would call them out. And I wouldn't be part of, you know, a network that has Joni

00:06:44Lamb in open, unrepentant adultery, an adulterous marriage to the woman. Well, she's the woman,

00:06:52but to the man, you know, who is the husband of her friend for many years. So it's just unbelievable.

00:07:03And I thought, well, I'm not going to have my show, you know, on this, um, this network of

00:07:08depravity. Uh, I I've learned a lot in my, my few years of being on this planet. And that is that I

00:07:15have the fear of the Lord because I have seen his judgment. I have felt his scourge. I have seen the

00:07:22discipline of God in my own life and I do not want it. I never want that again. So I, I really attempt

00:07:29to walk with clean hands and a pure heart so that the Lord can help me to be effective on this

00:07:36planet. But there is a pack of wolves. There is a group of people. They do not have the fear of the

00:07:42Lord. They are operating in a spirit of lust, sexual depravity. Um, they are, they are using the gospel

00:07:49for gain and they are grifting the people of God. And that group resided, one of the key players,

00:07:56Art Lussier in Kelowna. So as I'm there, I start going to his church and then there's a whole

00:08:03rumbling because there's a Facebook group that has been made to, to tear Art Lussier down and to,

00:08:09um, to expose him because there were people that were very hurt and they were finally after 20 years

00:08:15being able to speak. I end up talking to a whole bunch of them. My intention in all honesty was to

00:08:20protect Art Lussier. Uh, this was my friend. He does these big, uh, meetings across Canada. How can

00:08:27this be a bad guy? You know, God is using him. Now, as I went on, I have found out that the fruit has not

00:08:33been good at all. Um, the things that he pulled off in 2022, he yelled at a guy in front of a thousand

00:08:40people. Like he's in a, a spiritually abusive man. So many things, uh, and him and the people that he

00:08:47runs with Nicole, their right-hand person, she is nastier than nasty gets. His wife, uh, Heather,

00:08:54um, has many, many people that report on how very, um, mean, mean spirited and controlling. So she

00:09:04controls all the money of this financial thing. So that's a conflict of interest. People have been

00:09:09complaining. They have been standing up and wanting, um, wanting this to, um, be dealt with and

00:09:19there to be transparency. So short story ending to all of this. I then am led to speak to the two

00:09:27indigenous ladies who have allegations that Art Lussier has molested them. And I was undone.

00:09:36I believe those girls because there's a ring of truth. The ring of truth tells you that what

00:09:45somebody is saying is true. So when you have to decipher between somebody that says, Oh no,

00:09:51that's a lie. And the person who's telling the truth and it, it just has that ring. It sounds

00:09:59right. Not to mention there's three other indigenous women that have made allegations that they have

00:10:06been molested by Art Lussier. And so in light of all of this and all of this presented to an

00:10:13oversight committee, then Julie Royce does a story on the woman that, uh, married woman that Art Lussier

00:10:21sent his bare butt pick to. So this is a apostle bare butt now in Canada. Apostle bare butt sends

00:10:29his picture. Now this is only one of a couple of hundred other pictures of him in a steamy shower.

00:10:33What he got her to do was to go onto a, um, an app that quickly deletes within a few seconds,

00:10:41deletes pictures, deletes the conversations. He set that up early on with her. They were just friends,

00:10:47you know, but he groomed her for a season and, uh, it would send songs, would send pictures,

00:10:54a lot of talking, deep, intimate talking, sharing things. He shared things about his, uh,

00:10:59relationship with his wife and things like that. And then ultimately there was a plan to meet

00:11:05privately. And, um, the, the Lord woke that lady up in a really powerful way. He woke her up and

00:11:14she came to her senses, so to speak, and realized that she was on a very bad path to ruining her

00:11:21marriage and to doing something very wrong. So the Lord woke her up. So all of this gets exposed.

00:11:27Uh, it comes out, the oversight committee for Art Lussier investigating all of these allegations

00:11:33against him realizes that, man, there's a whole lot of stuff here, but what do they do? Well,

00:11:38they kind of quit. And then the board members basically reinstate Art Lussier. The very week

00:11:45after the bare butt picture comes out, he's now back in the pulpit singing and preaching. So the bare

00:11:52butt picture was sent, uh, approximately two and a half, three years ago. And this is a man

00:11:58that has a predator record. And I think what you're exposing, John, is, um, that, uh, these men

00:12:06are there and there is a link and it's back to brandimism. It's back to manifest sons of God.

00:12:13Dean Briggs steps into the picture because Dean Briggs is a good friend of Art Lussier.

00:12:18I have asked him repeatedly, including yesterday in texts that I'm sending Dean directly because I

00:12:23have had communication with him. He has been on my shows in the past. We were actually having a

00:12:27dialogue over the Nephilim and things like this. So, um, Dean Briggs, before I've had my awakening,

00:12:34before I've understood what's going on, um, and I have, have been friends. We we've communicated,

00:12:40you know, from a distance, nothing real personal, but I have, I have his text and I'm able to ask him,

00:12:47are you receiving money from Art Lussier? Because I can't understand one single thing that would be,

00:12:53uh, reasonable to, to put any, uh, you know, context of, of what could be happening that this

00:13:02last week, in spite of Art Lussier's terrible fall, all of the stuff, all the sin to civil Supreme

00:13:11court civil suits in British Columbia, the province where I am, um, against Art Lussier that, that,

00:13:19uh, Dean Briggs would think that supporting him to be on the pulpit, bare minimum would be a good

00:13:28idea. Dean Briggs called out IHOP, KC, called them a bunch of like BSers and said to them that

00:13:35they are, uh, you know, not being transparent. He was super mad about the coverup of Mike Bickle

00:13:41and he just went to town on them. But all of a sudden, Art Lussier, his friend, he's on his pulpit,

00:13:50he's preaching at his church, and then he's giving him a prophetic false word. And he says it in this

00:13:58way. And, uh, you know, he's like, Art Lussier, you know, like, why is it that guys like him and

00:14:04Joseph Z, they get the voice of God, you know, they're actors, actually. So many of these guys

00:14:10are actors. And I'm going to be quiet in just a minute, John, because I want to let you speak.

00:14:15But so Dean Briggs, this, you know, this last week, uh, he says, um, you know, Art Lussier,

00:14:22God is calling you as a Lazarus to come forth, you know, and I'm pretty sure he puts in though

00:14:29it stinketh because boy, does it stink. Everything about this ministry stinks, uh, financial

00:14:36allegations that are just coming to light. I think there's going to be an investigation

00:14:40and, uh, what he's done, his predatory ways. I'm talking about Art Lussier and then Dean Briggs,

00:14:46of course, who is all into this manifest sons of God, but somehow seems to deny it at times,

00:14:50according to some guests that you've had on. And I appreciate their testimony. Um, you know,

00:14:56this is a disaster and a full blown mess and all of it leading back to what you talk about all the

00:15:03time, John, that there is a background to these guys. It leads them into deception. It is a foundation

00:15:10of, uh, sexual misconduct, financial misconduct, false prophetic words, false prophecies, false

00:15:19apostleship. Art Lussier calls himself an apostle. I think that a woman that he actually had,

00:15:25had, uh, inappropriate relations eventually said he was an apostle. So I guess that makes him an

00:15:29apostle. So to us, he's apostle bare butt and nothing, but this is nothing but a, uh, a sham

00:15:37that's going on in Canada.

00:15:39It is. And the funny part is I've not even yet got to the good stuff in my research and publications.

00:15:45There's so much more. When I left the Branham cult, I spent, I actually talk about this in the first,

00:15:52the first big book that I've got on the website, which is preacher behind the white hoods. I talk

00:15:57about all of the meticulous effort that went into studying Branham. What I did not talk about are the

00:16:05different rabbit trails that you find in history when you do this, because Branham is, it's like a

00:16:11spider web. You're connected to literally everyone. And the, the curious mind that I have, I want to

00:16:19know why, like, how did this little no name guy from Jeffersonville, Indiana, little town nobody's

00:16:26heard of, how did he get connected to the Kardashian family? How did he get connected to all of these

00:16:32people where he's got an audience with Richard Nixon? I mean, when you're looking at this, you're

00:16:37thinking there's, there's just no way I couldn't do it. I don't have the means to do this, but at the

00:16:42same time, I'm a businessman. I've been in business meetings. I've been in conventions. I've been in

00:16:49gatherings and I know how it works. When you start connecting with people, you get, so in, in my

00:16:56meetings, I would go connect with a person. They're talking about the business they do has no relation to

00:17:01what I do, but I say, Oh, I know a guy you need to connect with him. He would help you. So they connect,

00:17:06they start basically what I'm talking about is a network. You start establishing a network and

00:17:11then within that network, whenever I need something, I can go to this guy. He's going to say, well, I

00:17:17recommend this other person and we have this collaborative effort of business. So as I'm

00:17:23studying Branimism and I'm finding all of these things, I really had a motivation because I thought

00:17:30there would be enough people who were filled with the desire for truth that when I started publishing

00:17:37all of the hideous things that are covered up in Branham's past and just outright lies, I thought

00:17:44there would be this mass exodus where everybody's just fleeing. But what I came to realize is there are

00:17:49a lot of people in the seats who are not there because of Christianity. They're there because this

00:17:56is their collective group. That's really the only reason. My family was in it, so I'm in it too.

00:18:02They're not there for Jesus. They're really there for their family. And there are other people who

00:18:07are there for other reasons, which I won't say on this podcast. But the thing that I began to

00:18:13understand is the networks that were set up were so far even bigger than Branhamism. One of the guys

00:18:20I've mentioned to you is Roy Davis. And the only thing I think that I've mentioned to you is he was a

00:18:25Klan leader because that's shocking to people. But that's not even the most important part.

00:18:30Davis was connected to fundamentalist religion. He was on the board of directors for the World

00:18:36Fundamentalist League. He was working in collaboration with many different denominations

00:18:42during a time when the Klan was seen favorable by the people. So he was seen as a political figure,

00:18:49a religious figure, a very good person. He was seen by these people who thought he was this

00:18:54religious elite who was, like Art Lussier, untouchable by God. Yet he is, as he's traveling

00:19:03through these evangelistic meetings, he starts to realize and recognize, my wife's back in Texas,

00:19:08my wife and kids. She's not going to know if I'm fooling around in Georgia. And fooling around

00:19:14turns into, well, she's not going to find out if I get married to another person in Georgia,

00:19:18gets married and thinks he's not going to get caught.

00:19:21But the funny story of this is there was a lady in one of his churches. He had multiple churches.

00:19:28There was a lady in one of his churches in, I can't remember the name of the town in Georgia,

00:19:33but in Georgia, he's preaching to his congregation. They don't know that he has a wife and kids

00:19:39and another church back in Texas. So he's holding revivals from Texas to Georgia. He's out in the

00:19:46middle of nowhere, far away from his wife, preaching. And a lady from, a sister of a lady

00:19:53from the church he goes to in Georgia attends the revival because her sister's in that town

00:20:00and says, wait a minute, that's that guy that preaches back home. And the whole thing blew up.

00:20:05So they found out he's a bigamist. And they found that long, long story that I won't get into. You can

00:20:12read the book if you want. But he is carrying multiple young ladies. He had this thing for

00:20:17young ladies. He's carrying multiple ladies across state lines for the purposes of sex,

00:20:22which is a violation of the Mann Act, a federal crime. And when he holds the big revival that

00:20:29attracted William Branham and created this whole mess, he's actually there because the government

00:20:35is trying to put him in prison for the girl that is on the platform with him, 17-year-old girl,

00:20:41who eventually became his wife, who he says, I'm not doing anything with her. But this actually

00:20:48became his wife. So you've got this whole history of problems, not just sexual problems, but really

00:20:56a history of criminal activity by people who their motivation is really not even Christianity.

00:21:03Davis, there's no way this was a Christian man. But he was laying down the foundation for all of

00:21:09these connections. And the other thing that you and I haven't talked about, the full gospel

00:21:14businessmen really come into this picture. And people are familiar with Dimas Shakarian. I don't

00:21:20know if you know this name, but he is largely responsible for the popularity and spreading of

00:21:26the charismatic movement. Whenever a charismatic started to form, he is the one who opened all the

00:21:32doors. Well, how did he do it? He brought businessmen to the picture, full gospel businessmen. So like

00:21:38my meetings, businessmen, A, well, I can do this thing and I can sell it, but I need customers.

00:21:44And on the religious side, well, come to our church. We've got all kinds of customers. And they start

00:21:50connecting people to processes, to products, to this whole thing. Well, it turns into this massive

00:21:56movement called the full gospel businessmen. The founder was Dimas Shakarian, who was Kim Kardashian's,

00:22:04I think, great uncle, if I remember correctly, the lineage. But the co-founder lived about 10 miles

00:22:10from here. He was a Branhamite. So there was a Branhamite in this organization probably through,

00:22:17I can't remember how many years, decades. There was a Branhamite in control. And they're establishing a

00:22:23network where businesses can talk to businesses. And they're creating this elaborate engine that sits

00:22:29underneath the Christianity. So when you see Art Lussier, you see all these other people. Yes,

00:22:35they're there for religious purposes, but they're a spiritual figurehead. And that figurehead is sitting

00:22:41on top of this elaborate engine that in many ways has nothing to do with Christianity.

00:22:47Well, that begins to explain an awful lot, John. And that is the important information that

00:22:53we need to have. Because we think sometimes, oh, this is just one church, one movement,

00:23:02one guy. And all the interlinking people, then you have, like we see in Canada, Art Lussier is

00:23:10connected to this Steve Holmstrom. Now, Steve Holmstrom has said he believes that people are dead

00:23:16because they dare to speak out against the shenanigans of Kenneth Copeland. And he says

00:23:24all manner of ridiculous things. They just had Rodney Howard Brown come in. And then they're

00:23:32connected to Mark Brisbois. Mark Brisbois has some things in his closet that I'm sure he doesn't want

00:23:40coming out. And so they're all manifest sons of God randomites. Basically, Steve Holmstrom,

00:23:48closely associated with Art Lussier, who Art Lussier has recently turned over the very lucrative

00:23:54prayer group. Like they do a firewall. It's called a prayer thing. It's really about the money. And I

00:24:01honor the wonderful people that pray. I do. Thank you, God, that people want to be involved in a,

00:24:07you know, a prayer wall that operates 24 seven. These are the good people that they use. But in

00:24:14order to do that, you know, there's monies, there's donations, there's all kinds of things

00:24:18that happen. All of that gets transferred over to Steve Holmstrom, who says he wants to be just

00:24:23like Branham. That's his own words. He, you know, he wants to raise the dead and, and all of this. They

00:24:30have no clue, nor would they listen. They tell all of their people that I'm sewer water. Anyone

00:24:37who speaks against all of this is, is they call us terrible names. And, um, and so we're, we're kind

00:24:43of in a, you know, we're in a battle, but the battle is the Lords. So all I do and all you do

00:24:49is tell the truth. But what you're, what you're saying is making sense. It's like a network that

00:24:54people eventually, uh, buy into, uh, like with Lou Engel and, uh, Dean Briggs, they're in the States.

00:25:01This is in Canada, but they all buy into the same thing. And you're talking about the foundation

00:25:07of where this came from. Absolutely. So take it a step further. Christian identity. I use that phrase

00:25:14and we've, we've talked about it a little bit, what it is, but I've not really talked about what

00:25:18it means to the latter rain or the reason why, why it even exists. If you go back to, I can't

00:25:27remember what years. I think it's the 1920s Henry Ford, very, very powerful figure worldwide Ford

00:25:34motor company. He's publishing the Dearborn independent. And he, um, he has a person who's

00:25:42working with him, right-hand man who is pushing the Christian identity doctrine, very antisemitic

00:25:49doctrine through his Dearborn independent magazine, because Ford is the one who is behind the Dearborn

00:25:56independent. People saw this, all of this antisemitic rhetoric as sponsored by Ford and therefore

00:26:05legitimate. And so it began, it started to become adopted and there were religious leaders who were

00:26:11adopting it. So the Christian identity doctrine itself isn't a religious doctrine, but the foundations

00:26:18that it was laying, one of which included dominionism, it is starting to be mixed with Christian rhetoric

00:26:25because you had now Christian ministers reading this thing. And this is before full gospel businessmen

00:26:31exist, but the same concept existed. You had very powerful people who were in business, who were

00:26:37pushing agendas, mixing with the Christian religion, and those ideas start to cross-pollinate.

00:26:45And once this turns into a movement where there are conventions, there are people who are gathering and

00:26:51meeting each other. Well, one person's ideas combine with another person's ideas and develop into a

00:26:58different doctrine. And many of the concepts that are in Christian identity start to morph into what

00:27:03becomes manifested sons of God, especially the dominionist aspect of this. From the Christian identity

00:27:10side, they were seeing, well, we're going to have dominion over the Jews and the blacks. And so it fit

00:27:16within their world. From the latter rain side, we're just going to take dominion over the sinners. And so

00:27:23you had ministers who were adopting this not knowing that the racist side existed, and on the racist side

00:27:29not knowing that the Christian side existed. But the leaders who were bringing all of this together in this

00:27:35engine, they were aware. They saw both sides. And on the website, I've started to put names to some of these people.

00:27:43But the thing to understand is, when you're in this position of power, like Art Lussier, like Dean Briggs,

00:27:50and you're part of the conduit that links all of these different groups together, political groups,

00:27:57hate groups, Christian groups, charismatic, Pentecostals, mainstream, when you're part of that conduit,

00:28:04you see the information flowing both ways, and you become a facilitator. And that's where the problem

00:28:10lies. Because the question I have, if you are facilitating evil in the name of Christianity,

00:28:17are you actually a Christian? And you know, this has been really hard. If I could express something

00:28:24like personally troubling is, I've had to really reach out to leaders that have been my friends for a

00:28:31lot of years. And I've had one personal friend that we're still friends, but he's very disappointed in

00:28:38me for going public about Art Lussier. I released a tape recording of the oversight committee.

00:28:51Just, they have no oversight. They don't have any common sense. They have no discernment.

00:29:00And this is affecting, there's beginning to be like a shifting in the land. This is affecting many

00:29:06people's relationships, what you're doing, John. You're a friend wrecker.

00:29:12Because what's happening, what's happening is, and it's in a good way, and you're doing the work of

00:29:17the Lord, is that truth is beginning to shine its very powerful light into our understanding of

00:29:28what the word says, and what these people's religious ideologies are, and they're not correct.

00:29:36So now we have the big names. I mean, one guy, one pastor, he won't talk to me because

00:29:41I brought to light some things about Bill Johnson. And like the manifest things, I don't know if you can

00:29:49even just repeat what's happening, because I think that what's happened even with Dean Briggs, who outed

00:29:55IHOP, they really, they really do believe that they're kind of special in a way. They do believe that

00:30:05they, as apostles, have some special jurisdiction before God or something, something like that. I

00:30:13know you know how to explain this better. And I'm just learning about all of this. And I'm like,

00:30:20no, no, no, you don't. And I will never put them in charge, you know, go to them asking to hear from

00:30:26the Lord. I couldn't care less. Y'all are given false prophecies about, you know, Joseph C. He's

00:30:32prophesying from science journals and the voice of God to Joni Lamb recently. Recently, Joseph C. has

00:30:38this huge prophetic word for Joni Lamb that, you know, God is, she is Esther and Deborah. She's

00:30:44literally in an unrepented, disastrous, I might say, adulterous marriage. Very recently, Doug,

00:30:52Doug Weiss, her husband gets on the show and confesses that he's been porn free for four years.

00:30:59Okay. That's about when they started dating. So he was doing porn. He leaves his wife. He marries

00:31:09Joni and he's confessing that he's porn free for four years. It's just too, too ridiculous. And,

00:31:18and all of these guys are just, you know, they're, they're into these certain things. And I don't know

00:31:25what day stars thing is on the manifest thing. I have no idea. I've never heard them talk about it,

00:31:31but all of these friends, and they just think they're special. You know, Jon, they think they're

00:31:36special and they're not special. God is exposing them. Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal

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00:32:40You know, I had this conversation with Pellegrino Walk just yesterday. I think it will,

00:32:45I think that may come out before this one, but you have a different audience and it's actually

00:32:50worth repeating this so that people can understand it. One of the primary doctrines of Christian

00:32:55identity is the idea that in the Garden of Eden, Eve mated with the serpent and there were two blood

00:33:01lines, one good, one evil. And this later developed into the race riots of the sixties because they were

00:33:08saying, this is an evil seed. We need to stop all of this race mixing, all of that weird mess. And here's

00:33:15the thing to understand. What happened whenever Christian identity began to merge with this

00:33:20fundamentalist religion to produce the manifested sons of God doctrine, it tried to take a spiritual

00:33:27problem and humanize it. So in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve disobeyed God. That should be enough

00:33:33for you to understand. They disobeyed God. That's how sin entered the world. But what the Christian

00:33:39identity flavored doctrine did, it humanized the problem so that instead of looking to the original

00:33:46sin, you instead started to look at human blood. So they started tracing the lineage. Well, we can

00:33:53see that through this human blood, here you can trace all of the evil. This is the evil in the world.

00:33:58And it developed into people questioning, well, does this person have the evil blood in them or the good

00:34:04blood? And if they were to marry each other, it's a human problem and you can put a human face to it.

00:34:11The problem with doing this is you are literally rewriting the DNA of the Bible. You start to go

00:34:17through the Bible and you start to read it from a bloodline concept rather than what the Bible is

00:34:22actually saying to the extent that you change the nature of Jesus. And they did this. Branham taught it.

00:34:30I was just studying recently Robert Morris. And Robert Morris is talking about how Jesus was

00:34:36fully human. And think about what this means. So you have a human who is dying on the cross for you.

00:34:42It would be like me dying on the cross for you. What can I do if I die on the cross for you?

00:34:47The manifested sons of God doctrine tried to humanize Jesus and say that he was the ultimate

00:34:54manifestation of God. God had a thought and expressed it as the word and it came into Jesus

00:35:01as a spirit and he became a Superman. And you too, friends, can become Superman.

00:35:07Well, when you teach that doctrine and you're humanizing spiritual things, well, now what do

00:35:13you do with the leadership? Because the leadership are teaching you, are you not a Superman? You should

00:35:18be able to do the same thing as the leaders. So the leaders had to take the human aspect and rise

00:35:24above it. So yes, it's still humanizing it, but now they're an upper tier of human. They're

00:35:30spiritually elite, essentially. And so the spiritual elite, they're not subject to the same rules of the

00:35:37rank and file member. So in doing this, they've created the cult hierarchy. And the problem is,

00:35:43once it transitioned into the new apostolic reformation with all of these apostolic networks

00:35:49and all of these miniature cults, now you have pyramids of authoritarian control in network with

00:35:56each other, each one just as evil as the next, all of these very destructive cults. But at the top is a

00:36:03leader who, in many cases, is not even a Christian man, supporting other Christians in the network who

00:36:11are claiming to be Christian, I should say. And they're aware. They're aware this person has

00:36:16sexual sin. They're aware of all of these other things. I'm told by people who knew Paul Cain,

00:36:22and I believe it because I know how all this works. I have seen this among the Branham cults.

00:36:28Some of the ministers will actually keep dirt on the other ministers, all of their things that they

00:36:33know will eventually be exposed, because now that other minister becomes a puppet on a string.

00:36:40If you don't align with this doctrine, if you don't do this thing that brings my money,

00:36:44I'm going to expose you for your affair, or for your grooming, or whatever this is. So there are

00:36:48men within these networks who actually know long before the exposure. And it turns into such a mess where,

00:36:57again, you look at all of this and you wonder, are these people even Christian?

00:37:00That is so shocking. And they don't really come up with it, do they? Like, they don't just say,

00:37:07we believe such and such, Eve mated with the serpent. And do they get that from some writing?

00:37:17Like, John, how do they come up with this stuff?

00:37:19Well, the ministers who teach Christian identity in its purest form, they go back to the – they

00:37:26try to use the King James Version, believe it or not, where it says, the serpent beguiled Eve.

00:37:33And because not many people understand the meaning of that word, they'll say that beguiled means sex.

00:37:38And it's a weird – like, I could go through the history of how all of that developed.

00:37:43But the thing to understand is not everybody today who is preaching manifest sons of God

00:37:49even understands or knows where it came from. They have no idea of the serpent seed doctrine.

00:37:55In about – I want to say it was the – maybe the 1970s, after the big exposure, whenever Kennedy

00:38:04was assassinated, all the clan groups were exposed, this doctrine went underground. And many ministers

00:38:10started to teach that the original sin was Eve mating with the serpent. But then what happened

00:38:18is it turned into a spiritual problem, not a bloodline problem. So originally it was a bloodline,

00:38:25then the flood, and then now it's a spiritual problem. And what they did was they just tried

00:38:30to disconnect from the racism and the race riots that had caused all of the government investigations.

00:38:37Right after the Kennedy assassination, you can even see in Branham, his doctrine starts to shift on this.

00:38:43So over time, the original bloodline doctrine kind of got erased and forgotten within the movement.

00:38:50But they kept – like these doctrines that were cross-pollinated and started to develop,

00:38:55they kept many of the doctrines, including the manifest sons of God doctrine,

00:39:02where it came – it almost resurrected whenever the shepherding movement started to form.

00:39:09One of the key figures who was supporting the five shepherds was one of the most famous Christian

00:39:16identity leaders in the United States at the time. And he believed all of the serpent seed doctrine,

00:39:22all of the manifest sons of God, all of these things. But the shepherds didn't really say

00:39:29who he was and what he was doing. So nobody knew that they're working with a Christian identity guy.

00:39:35And eventually he was a homosexual and he got exposed for homosexual sin. So eventually they were

00:39:41able to just push him out. This guy's a homosexual. We can't listen to anything he said. So they kind of

00:39:47wiped their hands from it. But the ideology that framed the doctrine still existed, and it became somewhat

00:39:55disconnected from the two-seed doctrine.

00:39:59So what was so interesting about your friends that you've just had on? Is it – am I saying it right? Pellegrino?

00:40:06It is Pellegrino. It actually – they had to explain it to me. It means pilgrim in Spanish.

00:40:11Okay. Okay. So it's like I think of that water, you know, that beautiful water that you drink. Pellegrino water, isn't it?

00:40:20You know, they really exposed Dean Briggs, but it took quite a friendship. Because some of these people,

00:40:30they won't talk about this openly. So you can be going to a church for a long period of time

00:40:35and suddenly discover that your pastor, in behind the scenes, because it's controversial,

00:40:42they're not speaking it or teaching it. But they finally would have to admit it. But you have to get in

00:40:48relationship. You have to have – you kind of have to confront. And this is the relationship that the

00:40:53Pellegrinos had with Dean Briggs, which – in which I'm understanding from a video that they have had, that

00:41:01he finally – yes, yes, I – you know, I believe in the manifest sons of God. But, well, then why not just

00:41:06say it, you know, out loud? Why are they all so afraid of speaking this?

00:41:11Darrell Bock There's where it goes back into – there's a history that everybody should study,

00:41:15and that's Gnosticism. If you understand Gnosticism and how it worked, it was the combination of many

00:41:23pagan religions with Christianity. And when you mix anything else with Christianity, what you get

00:41:29is not Christianity. Some of the religions that mixed in were called mystery cults. And what they

00:41:36taught was that they had this esoteric knowledge, these divine rituals, these mysteries. And if you come

00:41:42into the group, you know the mystery. But if you're outside of the group, we don't talk about the

00:41:46mystery because then everybody knows the mystery. So that's how a mystery cult worked. You can go to the

00:41:54go through the history of the cult of Dionysus. I think I said that correctly. And they had these

00:41:59spiritual rituals where they were coming together, drinking wine, getting into a drunken frenzy. And the

00:42:07women had their hair up in this bobby pin and they would pull the bobby pin out and go out and do the

00:42:14ritual where they were ripping flesh off of animals and weird things. Whenever you read Paul talking

00:42:19about the hair as a covering, he's actually in the area where all of this is going on. And there are

00:42:26women who are taking part of this in his audience, I'm certain. If you study that history, it's a

00:42:31fascinating history. But it is a mystery cult. And it is the idea that we have a collective esoteric

00:42:37knowledge. Those on the outside don't know the mystery, so they're lost. When we were in the Branham

00:42:44cult, we had many of these things that are now coming to the surface. But we did not talk about

00:42:49it to the outside world. We would talk about it. Sometimes some of the core doctrines weren't even

00:42:54preached from the pulpits. But whenever you went to the special things, which was like you go to the

00:43:01family gathering of the minister or you'd go to some weird, some event that the church is holding,

00:43:09all the older crowd would get together and they would talk about all of the mysteries

00:43:13that we don't preach from behind the pulpit because those are our special mysteries.

00:43:19So when you understand that concept, now apply it to the broader New Apostolic Reformation. It is

00:43:26still the same type of mystery religion. They won't tell you the history of how all of this

00:43:30developed because that's our inside knowledge and the world wouldn't understand it. That's

00:43:35the phrase that they always use. The world would not understand this mystery. So we keep it to

00:43:41ourselves. We bundle it up. And in the end, this is a story I don't think I've shared before on the

00:43:47podcast, so you're the first. But my grandfather was riding with William Branham. They were going out in

00:43:53the middle of Kentucky. I heard this story as I was riding through Kentucky and my grandfather just

00:43:59happened to pass the exit. He said, right there, I sat in that restaurant with William Branham. And

00:44:05they were just having a casual conversation. And my grandfather was a Methodist minister who was

00:44:10trained in Methodism. So he had actually heard the gospel and converted to this destructive cult.

00:44:16He's talking to Branham about salvation, and he's confused. If you understand how his question's

00:44:22working, he was confused on salvation, which makes sense. Nobody in the cult even understood salvation.

00:44:29So he's asking the basic questions that are in the Bible. And he was telling this to my father.

00:44:36I was in the back seat. He leaned over and he said, and Branham leaned over to me like this. And

00:44:41I was asking him, so if that's the case, all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you can be saved.

00:44:48And he said, William Branham got quiet, looked around both ways, looked at me and said, don't you ever tell

00:44:53anybody that. And as a child, I'm hearing this thinking, oh wow, that's one of the mysteries.

00:45:00But now as an adult, I'm looking back, this is a person who is actually trying to shift and change

00:45:07and conceal the gospel from the people.

00:45:09That's an incredible story. And that should be a tweet that should go out. That should be one of

00:45:14those, we got to make this into one of those short stories. You know, how prevalent do you think this

00:45:21is, John? What are we talking? Is there a good number of ministers, we know their faces, we know their

00:45:29names, and they have twisted doctrine that we don't know they have?

00:45:37Absolutely. So here's the fine line that I walk. In fact, you and I had this conversation right

00:45:43before this. I have to be very careful. One of the reasons I focus on history and not the present,

00:45:49what we're doing here is a little bit outside of my normal. The dead people cannot sue you.

00:45:55And to the effect of the YouTube channel, the dead people can't take down your YouTube channel.

00:46:03It was only two and a half years ago, I lost everything. I lost all of it. They had attacked

00:46:08the website, copyright strikes. I actually had technology attacks. There were hackers outside

00:46:15getting into my networks, both my business and my religious networks, which was a little bit odd.

00:46:20But they attacked and they brought everything down. Because I had touched on the edge of something that

00:46:26appeared to be, I can't say what it is. That's outside of the realm of what I can safely say.

00:46:34It was something that was dangerous to them. I'll just say it like that. Once I said it publicly,

00:46:39they knew what I knew and they brought everything down. So when you're talking about leaders today

00:46:46who understand all of these things, everything that I've said to you, they know. It's nothing new to

00:46:51them. If you mention them by name, they can attack you and they can bring everything down. But if you

00:46:58make the public informed of the history, they can start to see through these leaders. You don't even

00:47:05have to mention their names. If they can understand the doctrines, where they came from, how they

00:47:10developed, how they shifted. They can see right through these people who are claiming to be apostle

00:47:16because they're clearly not apostles. So this is what everyone who's watching your show needs to know

00:47:22to share this broadcast, to let people know that there needs to be an unveiling of this darkness.

00:47:30Because what has been kept in secret, God will shout from the rooftops. And you're doing that. So in

00:47:38whatever ways that we can, we need to be courageous in exposing this. And wouldn't it be good, John,

00:47:46do you suggest that, let's say you've been going to a church for a while and once in a while you do

00:47:51hear your pastor saying something a bit odd, like a bit of a different veering from normal,

00:47:58traditional, just the gospel. Wouldn't it be good if they would begin to build that rapport

00:48:05with the pastor to find out if they're in a church that has this ridiculousness? Because I'll tell you

00:48:12my, my prayer is that it all comes tumbling down. If the Lord is returning for a bride without spot or

00:48:18wrinkle, then we've got some work to do because the bride is a bit of a mess. Her bride gown is definitely

00:48:26spotty because she's in a pack of mud and it needs to be cleaned up. And we are very wrinkled. We've got

00:48:32all kinds of, you know, old traditions, old dogma, and you know, the ideologies that are in behind the

00:48:41scenes. These are wrinkles in the body of Christ. And so I think that this exposure season that has

00:48:47really come forward, Jeremiah Johnson talking about it recently, and I don't know if he knows what,

00:48:53which way is up on the exposure because he's kind of, he's kind of understanding the exposure. But

00:48:59again, he's had to go through his own, you know, wake up call to putting out a completely false

00:49:06prophecy that he did that, that Trump would be, you know, elected in 2020. And that really brought

00:49:13him to a place of brokenness and humility. And it's a wonderful thing, actually, that God does that to all

00:49:19of us. So we get a choice about whether we're going to be repentant and, um, get through this.

00:49:25And, and because God is, um, so gracious, he is close to the brokenhearted and a contrite spirit,

00:49:34he will not reject. So there is opportunity for, for, for, uh, repentance and then forgiveness from the

00:49:41Lord. But these guys running around with this, uh, this errant, uh, dogma in, in their repertoire

00:49:49that they only release here and there, um, this has to be exposed. So it would be good if people begin,

00:49:58um, confronting gently their pastors and say, do you believe in this serpent seed thing? Um,

00:50:08and, and what of it, you know, would you say that this would be good, John, that people get courage

00:50:15and begin exposing in the worldwide church? It is. However, the people need to be prepared before

00:50:22you do it. So with the mystery cults, there is the secret knowledge, the secret mystery. Like I said,

00:50:29we can't tell the outsiders, the outside, the world can't know our secret. With that comes also,

00:50:36if there is a person who is going to eventually expose the outside world to the inside, it goes

00:50:44both ways. We have to cut off the person. Whenever the person starts to ask questions to the pastor,

00:50:50if they are concealing the secret, you'll start to realize really quick if this is a cult, because

00:50:55immediately they'll chastise you, they'll chastise your family. They will make it very miserable for you.

00:51:01And it's weird because after we left the Branham cult, we're in one of the most destructive cults.

00:51:08And I start attending mainstream churches and we've tried different ones. I, we, I don't think

00:51:14I'll ever even land on one that I will say, this is the church I'll go to the rest of my life.

00:51:18But one of the churches was a mainstream church. And it was the same way. If you started asking

00:51:23questions, immediately the questions was seen as a threat to the minister. And I didn't know why at

00:51:30that time. I'm starting to learn as I go that there are things that even the mainstream churches

00:51:36don't want you to know and why. I want to know why. So you have to be careful and be cautious because

00:51:42you may not just lose your connection to the minister. You may lose multiple friends,

00:51:47depending on how destructive the cult is. In the end, is that a bad thing? I don't know. If you're

00:51:53in a destructive cult, this is a quick way to get out of it. You'll find out really quick if it's

00:51:58destructive, but the pain that goes with it is very difficult. So people need to prepare themselves

00:52:04before they do it. You're so right. And you know, John, it strikes me that this is a good information to

00:52:09get out here on your broadcast that a few of us that are paying a very high price and our

00:52:17social network is getting a bit smaller. People are, you know, saying they won't deal with us,

00:52:23won't talk to us, won't be, you know, associated. I want to say, I think it is a good thing. And

00:52:32the thing that we have to do is prepare ourselves that I kind of went, you know what, I got my two

00:52:39dogs who love me no matter what. I got my husband who is 100% committed to me and he loves me no matter

00:52:47what. And then I got a few good friends who are also on this exposure and wake up journey,

00:52:55and I'm drawing close to them. And we are finding our people and we are finding connection and finding

00:53:03relationship with those that agree and can walk together. And the rest of them, we do have to be

00:53:11prepared because even the word says, uh, mother will turn against daughter, uh, father against son.

00:53:18The kingdom of heaven brings violence in that. It's not a physical violence. It, it brings the

00:53:24shaking and the ripping apart of that, which is wrong and that, which is right. And Jesus came to

00:53:31expose all of it. And in this era, think of the thousands of years that the enemy of our souls has

00:53:38taken to weave deception into every little corner of the Christian, uh, what does Julie Royce call it?

00:53:49The, uh, evangelical, um, industrial network. Okay. It's like a network. So the enemy came in very

00:54:01gently with this, this idea, and this idea, this false doctrine, that false doctrine, and all of it,

00:54:07catering to everyone's ego, of course, because these guys, they love it. If I can get more power,

00:54:14if I can get more money, if people will see me as important apostle, so-and-so with,

00:54:21I hear from God, I'll let you know what God is saying. You know, uh, as the enemy caters to the

00:54:27egos of man and gets this stuff in, we realize that it's going to be very hard to bring it all to, um,

00:54:37full disclosure. But if those of us who are brave, so if you go into that meeting with your pastor,

00:54:42I guess you got to be prepared. That might be the last time. And then I would say, be brave enough

00:54:49to tell those that are around you. Well, we discovered some things. Let me just show you in

00:54:53the word, like we believe this and this, and we believe that they're teaching an errant gospel,

00:54:59an errant, um, you know, doctrine and be brave and then let the chips fall where they may. I'm good

00:55:07now. I don't, I do have a shrinking network. I've never been so sort of outcasted as this last year.

00:55:16Um, my gosh, I went after Sean Foyt and the world lost their mind on me, the Christian world.

00:55:22I'm like, I'm sorry. What are we not understanding? His close group

00:55:27has allegations that he, they caught, they say the allegations are that he is quite the liar.

00:55:34I talked to another podcaster who said he'd come on my show. I haven't had him on yet

00:55:39and said he worked with Sean Foyt and the guy lies all the time. Like it's a,

00:55:43it's uncanny for a Christian minister. Well, I think that's important to get that information.

00:55:49These people then are willing to put it on paper and have it released to the world so that you know

00:55:56that inappropriate actions have been taken by Sean Foyt. So behind the scenes, so a good singer,

00:56:02is that all we care about? Do we not care about the character behind the man? Do we not care about

00:56:08him putting people at risk of actually getting criminal lawsuits for some of the things he's done?

00:56:14Now, in this last couple of weeks, he said that the FBI are asking him questions and he's furious at,

00:56:21you know who you are, you podcast, Christian podcasters. The FBI has questions for him. Hey,

00:56:28pal, the FBI would have questions for me too, if I was doing what you were doing. So it's come out.

00:56:35And, and you know, I think I, I lost a lot of followers. Like they, honestly, I've had to say,

00:56:41I've had to sit back here in this very chair, because this is kind of where I do my devotions

00:56:46in the morning. And I've had to think, am I willing to lose it all for the cause of Jesus Christ

00:56:53and for telling the truth? And you know what, John? I am everything. Though the Lord slays me,

00:57:02I will trust him. And he gives, God takes away in his just time, blessed be the name of the Lord.

00:57:15Whatever friends I have to lose, though everything turns against me, if I am speaking what I believe

00:57:22the Lord has asked me to expose and to speak on, then I'm a happy camper and I'm good with it, John.

00:57:30And you know what, may we all get there. May everyone who's listening to this,

00:57:34there's people listening to this and your heart's beating a little because you know,

00:57:39something ain't right in your circle. And you know that the Lord's been, the Holy Spirit's

00:57:46begun speaking to you just the way he has spoken to John, to myself, to others of these podcasters

00:57:54and those courageous enough to lose it all, to speak the truth. You know that in your circle,

00:58:00something's wrong. And we, we honor that in you and we honor your courage and we pray that you will

00:58:08find courage and then contact us. We'll be your social buddies. We'll, we'll have some email,

00:58:14um, you know, um, uh, interaction. And some of the people that have exposed have become my new friends

00:58:22and it's wonderful. And John, you're one of them. You're a new friend. I appreciate you. I respect you

00:58:29and I am grateful for this season where this is coming out. We do have to be ready

00:58:37to let it all go. Well, thank you so much. And thank you for doing this.

00:58:42You're very welcome.

00:58:44If you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.

00:58:47You can find us at william-branham.org and Laura Lynn live for more about the dark side of the new

00:58:53apostolic reformation. You can read weaponize religion from Christian identity to the NAR

00:58:58available on Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.

00:59:28And you can find us at william-branham.org and Laura Lynn live for more about the dark side of the new

00:59:33world. We will have to be our next time.

00:59:35We'll see you next time.

00:59:36Let's get started.

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