Crime Night! Season 1 Episode 2

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00:00I'm Julia Zemiro, this is Crime Night, where we look at crime through the ideas, science

00:28and psychology that shape it. Tonight we're exploring scams. Or are we? We are. We'll

00:34look at where they come from, why they work and how even the smartest people can be taken

00:38for a ride. But before we hand over our address and mother's maiden name, let's meet the panel.

00:43She holds three degrees from three countries and yes, all from actual universities. I can

00:48only imagine what her hex debt looks like. Please welcome Professor Danielle Reynolds.

00:58I mean honestly, three degrees is very impressive. Is your collection complete?

01:03Nah, I doubt it. If somebody paid me, I would totally study another degree.

01:07What would that be? Probably environmental science to start with.

01:11Oh, correct. We need more of those because it's pretty bad out there.

01:15He's a consulting criminologist and expert in fraud and cybercrime. Clear your browser history

01:23and shred your receipts. It's Dr. David Bartlett. Now David, does anything still surprise you

01:34when it comes to white collar crime?

01:36If you asked me that question 12 months ago, I'd say nothing surprises me anymore. But in

01:41the last 12 months with generative AI and some of the things we've seen there, yeah, I get

01:45a little surprised.

01:46I'm getting a little bit terrified. Alright, geez. Up next, she studied law, trained in journalism,

01:52then realised she'd rather do something useful and took up comedy. The justice system's loss

01:57is very much our gain. It's Steph Tisdall.

01:59Steph, I'm wondering what kind of lawyer you think you might have made?

02:08I wanted to be a human rights lawyer.

02:10Ah.

02:11And then I met more humans and went, nah, no wrong.

02:17And finally, they're not just a funny person, they're a skilled negotiator once haggling

02:21their way through a mugging by offering a pack of cigarettes. Please welcome Rhys Nicholson.

02:25Yeah.

02:27Did that really happen? Did you?

02:32Yeah. It was before marriage equality had happened. And this guy was mugging me and I

02:38haggled and I gave him a packet of cigarettes and I was like, I'm just going to cancel my

02:41bank card so you don't need that. I gave him some cash. And then as he was walking

02:45away, and I'm not making this up, he turned around and said, by the way, my sister's a

02:49lesbian and I think it's really sad you guys don't have gay marriage. Have a good night.

02:52And that's how I met my husband.

02:59Scams aren't rare, they're relentless. Every week there's a new one in the headlines.

03:04Here are just a few that made the news.

03:06And we can't go without mentioning perhaps the biggest scam of all, duping millions of

03:19Australians every year.

03:20I really do believe in love of this one.

03:24Sweet Jesus, how are they still trying to convince us that it's a social experiment?

03:28Last year alone, scammers drained nearly $1.5 trillion globally. Australians themselves

03:37lost a staggering $2 billion to scammers in 2024. That was the quote to rebuild the Gabba

03:42for the Brisbane Olympics, which also turned out to be a bit of a scam.

03:46And tonight we're zeroing in on one of the most financially devastating of the lot, phishing

03:52scams. I'll let the Australian Federal Police explain what they are.

03:55Phishing is an attempt by cyber criminals to trick victims into giving them personal information

03:59or downloading malware. To do this, they often send messages pretending to be from companies

04:04you know and trust and direct you to click links or reply with sensitive information.

04:09That's very helpful information that everyone should know, but I don't think the message

04:13is really getting out there.

04:15Phishing is exactly like, well, phishing. You cast the nets wide, but instead of catching

04:21dinner, scammers are hoping to reel in your details. David, are phishing scams increasing,

04:26or are we just hearing more about them? Actually both. They are increasing and we

04:30are hearing more about them. But what we know is that these types of scams are still really

04:34underreported. And there's a whole range of reasons why people don't report. So it might

04:39be, for example, that they think it's just a small amount of money and not worth reporting.

04:43Or it might be that it's a romance scam and they're actually embarrassed to admit that

04:47they'd sort of fallen victim to this. And this falls into what we call the dark figure

04:51of crime. And that's the proportion of crime we know that sort of exists but doesn't

04:55get reported. So that $2 billion really is the tip of the iceberg.

04:59That's what I was going to say. Is that $1.2 trillion worldwide based on just what we know?

05:05Absolutely.

05:06That's not prediction. That is insane.

05:10So as criminologists, we work off of data, right? Like the data on scams is not thorough.

05:18And it's because of that dark figure. There's so much about it that we just don't know.

05:22Rhys, how often are you contacted by scammers?

05:25I reckon quite a bit. Like a lot. Like a lot. Like I feel like every third text at the moment

05:30seems to be a phishing scam or my family and it's really the same.

05:34So you've noticed an increase?

05:37Yeah. I reckon since the Qantas hack. I genuinely think since the Qantas hack it all kind of kicked

05:43off and I'm getting constant text all the time and emails and never a phone call though.

05:48Just pick up the phone, you know?

05:50Well that's actually completely predictable. So hackers, what they're interested in is the data.

05:55And your data's probably ended up on the dark web and been sold to hackers who are now using that

06:00information, yours and everyone else that's been hacked, to try and execute a phishing scam on you.

06:05Because I keep getting the, like, the job offer ones. Like, is there anyone, you know, the ones where they're

06:10kind of like, hi, and they're always the wrong name. It's like, hi Martine, I'm from blah, blah, blah.

06:15And you can make a thousand dollars a minute if you come and sit in this box.

06:20Yeah, that's actually, that's actually a bit different. That's probably part of a money laundering

06:25syndicate, trying to get you in to be a money mule. So what they, they've got all this money that they

06:30need to launder and basically they want to use your, your bank account probably to do that.

06:36And I have a follow up question. How would you get out of one of those?

06:44Move on Julia!

06:45Julia?

06:46A question for you. With this reporting thing, right, are there like squads that are set up

06:50for scams? I'm not even joking.

06:52No, absolutely.

06:53Yeah.

06:54Most police services in Australia have a, have a sort of fraud section. Some of those have,

06:58are very specific in relation to scams. But in Australia, it's actually the Australian Competition

07:02and Consumer Commission, the ACCC, that does a lot of the work around scams.

07:06And the interesting thing is that in 2025, reporting is down 25%. The amount of money lost is actually

07:13up 28%. And that suggests that scammers are actually becoming more successful.

07:18Hmm. Over 100 million spam emails are sent every minute. Not only this, a third of your

07:23phone calls are now scam related. Like everyone here, I've received bogus text messages requesting

07:29payment from toll company linked. I've had fake packages delivered by fake Australia Post.

07:34But before dodgy texts and crypto bros, there was this guy.

07:38It's the oldest rip off on the internet. An email from a Nigerian prince promising millions

07:43of dollars in exchange for a small fee.

07:46Oh, you're laughing now.

07:49The father of phishing scams. A fake royal with fake problems and a fake fortune.

07:55But the victims? Very real. The scam first appeared in the 1980s, often run by mail and fax.

08:01I mean, imagine scamming someone by fax. So noisy. Once email took off, so did the scam,

08:08which amazingly is still alive today and is still raking in thousands of dollars a year.

08:13And with the rise of social media, scams are surging. Scammers can slide into message threads,

08:18into your DMs. They can pretend to be your long lost friend, a distant relative, even a dead celebrity.

08:24Here's Michael Jackson, who's keen to make a comeback and trying to get his finances in order.

08:31Hey, it's Michael Jackson. I'm not really dead. Can you cash out me $600

08:37so I can come back to the United States and put out some more music?

08:41The original Smooth Criminal.

08:42But Rhys, what kind of phishing scam are you likely to fall for?

08:56Oh, 100% romance scams.

08:59No.

09:00Totally. I reckon if I wasn't married I'd be one of those people at the airport with a bunch of flowers saying,

09:04he said he'd be here.

09:06Even when I hear you talk about the dark figure of crime, I'm like, ooh, what's his vibe?

09:12Danielle, how many people are these scams catching out?

09:16Well, these phishing scams aren't targeted, right?

09:19They're literally phishing for victims.

09:21So if only 1% of those scam emails and texts successfully result in a victim,

09:27the scammers are winning, you know?

09:29You think about that Qantas hack.

09:31There were like 6 million approximately people whose information was hacked.

09:36If the hackers are successful at scamming 60,000 people, they are victorious.

09:42Mmm.

09:43The scammers also adapt their methods.

09:45So there's a whole lot of work that goes into trying to prevent these phishing emails

09:50getting through the system to their victims.

09:52But the scammers are working to get around it.

09:54So there's like spam filters, for example.

09:56And the idea is that the spam filter will search on keywords and then just send that message automatically to junk.

10:01So the scammers get around that by putting deliberate typos in.

10:05But not only that, coming back to Danielle's point,

10:07they're looking for that 1% of people who will actually fall for the scam.

10:11Now someone who doesn't detect the spelling error might be more likely to actually part with money.

10:16You might be thinking, I'd never fall for that.

10:19I'm smarter than that.

10:21Well, let's put that to the test in our experiment of the week.

10:24Now, we set up our very own harmless phishing scam to see just how many of you would take the bait.

10:37Our lure, a QR code, and the promise of a gift to remember your time here tonight.

10:42Because nothing says, trust me, like free stuff.

10:45This is quishing, which sounds like something you should keep to yourself,

10:48but it's actually a phishing scam.

10:50Early this evening, our audience was relaxing in the foyer when they were presented with this enticing poster.

10:56To receive their gift, they had to scan the code, which directed them to an official-looking United Parcel Post website,

11:04where they were invited to enter their details.

11:08Anyone feeling a little nervous right now?

11:11Now before we reveal the results, we want to point out that this experiment was designed to dupe our audience,

11:18like many scams out there.

11:20We wanted to test their trust in an institution, like the ABC, and my face,

11:24and use that trust to access their personal details.

11:28Alright, studio audience, let's see how many of you scan the code.

11:3262%.

11:34That's a pretty alarming figure.

11:36You're all keen to quish.

11:38But how many of you really wanted that mystery gift enough to add your details into a United Parcel Post website?

11:45Apparently 36% of you.

11:48Now, Cy Y, hello.

11:51You were one of the people that shared your details.

11:54Did you at any point think that this might be a scam?

11:56Well, I trust the ABC.

11:57Of course you do, me also.

11:59I trust you, Julia.

12:02That's correct.

12:03It's all possible for any of us to fall for a scam.

12:06Have you ever fallen for a scam before?

12:08Oh, yeah.

12:09Like, it can happen.

12:10I'm a chronic online shopper.

12:12So, it was starting to twig when I was like, I don't know this delivery service.

12:17Because I'm quite familiar with the delivery service.

12:21And that's good.

12:22You're figuring out the things, your limits around it.

12:24That's excellent.

12:25Are you ever freaked out by what you might be scammed on?

12:28It's just something you sort of have to be aware of.

12:30But you can't be shot off to everything.

12:31And I love free shit.

12:33And is that not the moral of the story?

12:37I love free shit.

12:38Thank you so much, Cy Y.

12:40Thank you for scamming.

12:41The most dangerous scams aren't the ones promising millions.

12:50They're the ones that feel personal.

12:52Scammers have graduated to a master class in psychological manipulation.

12:56Let's take a look at the evolution of one of the most insidious phishing scams of the past few years.

13:01It's been dubbed the Hi Mum scam.

13:04Parents are being targeted in a new text message scam.

13:07Authorities say the scammers are contacting parents claiming to be their children in an emergency.

13:13The scam texts were usually vague enough that parents would assume they were real.

13:17The child needs money for a new phone or their card has just been declined.

13:21They were basic.

13:22It was a simple text message that caught out Jen Irishu.

13:27Well, it started with, Hi Mum, it's me.

13:30This is my new number.

13:31You can save this one and delete the other.

13:34Believable.

13:35Believable.

13:36A message from who she thought was her son, which has now cost her more than $3,000.

13:43What started as vague text messages has evolved into something far scarier.

13:48Scammers can now clone voices using AI.

13:51All it takes is a few seconds of audio, often taken from social media.

13:55And suddenly, they can sound just like your child.

13:58Unsurprisingly, it gets worse.

14:00I received a phone call from my daughter.

14:03And she keeps crying and sobbing.

14:04She's like, Mom, help me.

14:06Help me.

14:07Mom, these bad men have me.

14:08They have me.

14:09And this man takes over and he tells me, listen here, I have your daughter.

14:13If you call anybody, if you call the police, I'm going to pop her stomach so full of drugs

14:17and then drop her for dead in Mexico and you'll never see your daughter again.

14:20I never had any doubt that it wasn't my daughter.

14:23It wasn't just her voice.

14:24It was her personality.

14:25It was the way she talked to me.

14:26It's the way she'd cry and sob.

14:27It was her replicated.

14:29A terrifying situation.

14:31David, what makes these techniques so effective?

14:34As a parent, that is frightening.

14:37Scammers really play on our emotions.

14:40That particular scam has combined two sets of emotions.

14:43One is the time urgency.

14:45So, you know, they need it now.

14:46And the other thing is the emotion of being a parent.

14:50And those two together are really, really powerful.

14:53My mum got hi-mummed from me.

14:57And she got a message saying, hi mum, this is my new phone.

15:00The other one's broken.

15:02Can you send me some money so I can get a new phone?

15:06And she said, oh, well, we literally live five minutes down the road from each other.

15:10Co-dependence.

15:11And it just happened to be that I had seen something like on social media about the hi-mum thing.

15:18And I just called her probably to borrow money at the same time.

15:22She said, what are you doing?

15:25You've just been texting me.

15:26Are you getting a new phone or what?

15:28And I was like, what are you on about?

15:30And she was very convinced.

15:31And I said, mum, that's a scam.

15:33And she went, really?

15:34I didn't know that.

15:35Because, I mean, my mum's a very smart woman.

15:36It was just, why would you ever think to question it?

15:39I think that's the thing.

15:41It was really quite fortunate that you happened to have that conversation with her.

15:44Oh, yeah.

15:45To stop her engaging in that scam even further.

15:47Well, luckily she was just going to rock up to my house as well.

15:49She's like, I don't like giving numbers out, you know?

15:51Like, luckily.

15:52But she was 100% convinced that that was me.

15:55That, yeah, I don't like giving numbers out.

15:57That's actually a really good strategy.

15:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.

16:00Are there certain types of people that are more likely to get scammed?

16:03Look, I think it's a bit of a myth that there are certain types of people who fall for scams.

16:08Like, oh, you have to be dumb.

16:09Or it's older people because they're not as technologically savvy.

16:13There's actually some recent research from last year.

16:16And it actually showed that teenagers' susceptibility to scams was increasing.

16:21One in four of them fell victim to these social media scams.

16:26And they were most vulnerable to these buying and selling scams.

16:29So, you know, like on Marketplace, for example, you say, oh, I really like that bicycle.

16:34I'll send you $500 and you send them the bicycle.

16:37They would send the money and not get the product that they paid for.

16:40So those are the types of scams that young people are falling victim to.

16:44Well, ultimately, I think anyone can be scammed.

16:46If it's the right scam delivered to you at the right time, when you're a bit vulnerable

16:53to that type of scam or you're busy and you're not paying attention, ultimately I think anyone

16:57can be scammed.

16:58Yeah.

16:59Is there a particular time of day where people might get scammed more than another time?

17:02Yeah, there is actually.

17:04People are most vulnerable when they're busy or when they're trying to shift gears.

17:08So, in fact, banks did some research that showed that Tuesdays at four o'clock were the time

17:14that people are most likely to get scammed.

17:16Look out, everyone.

17:17But when you think about it, it's people at four o'clock packing up from work.

17:22They're thinking about what they're going to do next.

17:24They're going home.

17:25So they're guards down a little bit and they're not quite sort of switched on.

17:29There's other research around that shows that Fridays, Friday afternoons in particular,

17:34people are more susceptible.

17:35And that, again, makes sense because your mind shifts sort of changing from work into

17:39the weekend.

17:40Yeah.

17:41Image and video manipulation has evolved so quickly we're reaching a point where it's

17:45almost impossible to tell real from fake, which makes it the perfect tool for scams.

17:50Here's Lew Wall.

17:54Humans love a good trick.

17:56Magic, multi-level marketing, monogamy.

17:59The only thing we love more is falling for them.

18:02Now scammers have taken that love digital with deepfakes.

18:05AI generated replicas of real people, from Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton eating cereal,

18:11to the late fake Pope Francis in Balenciaga.

18:14Rest in polyester, Popey.

18:17Deepfakes are advancing with every scroll.

18:19So how did AI get so good at making fake people?

18:22Well, one of the ways was Snapchat filters.

18:25Yep, those puppy ears and rainbow vomit effects weren't just for fun.

18:29Every Technicolor attack bomb was teaching AI to map human faces with precision.

18:34And while the machines were learning, our brains were learning to become accustomed to manipulated imagery.

18:39So these filters tricked us into teaching them how to get better at tricking us.

18:44All it takes is a few minutes of footage.

18:48A TikTok, a wedding speech, a hot take, that's enough to clone you.

18:52These days it's easier to deepfake your boss than get promoted.

18:56And I should know, I made one.

19:01Relax, obviously I outsourced it to a deepfake expert.

19:04Hello Liam, who are you, where are we, what do you do?

19:10We're a cyber security company and I'm a hacker here.

19:15Do you hack for good or for evil?

19:16Exclusively for good.

19:18What are the main indicators that I should be looking for to spot a deepfake?

19:22They struggle with beards, they struggle with people that don't have any hair.

19:27Liam, you've nailed this.

19:29You need surprisingly little footage to create a deepfake.

19:33What the real game-changer was when things were fast enough to be able to do it in real time.

19:38We're hacking into the mainframe.

19:40Using one five-minute red carpet clip and disturbingly little time,

19:44Liam knocked up my very own petit peu zmiro.

19:47I'm ready to be Julia.

19:49You are Julia.

19:50Oh my...

19:52That is insane.

19:54Hey, I'm Julie Z.

19:57I'm gonna go scare some Fisk fans.

19:59Hey Kitty Flanagan!

20:03That's crazy, isn't it?

20:10It's fun on one level but it's kind of extremely terrifying on the other.

20:14David, how worried should we be about getting deepfaked?

20:17The question you've probably got to ask yourself is why would someone target you to make a deepfake?

20:22So what we tend to see is that it's celebrities, politicians, people like that who tend to get targeted.

20:27So it's possible but it's probably more a case of being alert but not necessarily alarmed at this point.

20:34AI is changing all of this as we speak.

20:37And I know that you're right, like, you know, you really have to ask yourself why would somebody deepfake you?

20:42But even here in Australia, there have been cases of these high school students in New South Wales and Victoria

20:48who were accused of deepfaking pornographic pictures of their female classmates.

20:54So I think that this is a real problem.

20:57Can we just pretend we don't know?

20:59Can you just wipe my memory?

21:02Memory, please.

21:03It's terrifying.

21:04Yes, scammers keep getting smarter but all is not lost.

21:07There's a glimmer of LED light in the darkness proving we're not helpless in this fight.

21:12Is it the AFP?

21:13No.

21:14People don't even watch their videos by accident.

21:17I am talking about a vigilante YouTuber with over 4 million subscribers who turns the table on scammers

21:23and exposes their methods.

21:25Enter Jim Browning.

21:27The man is totally unknown.

21:28We can't tell you where he is or show you his face.

21:31He's helped lead authorities to fraud boiler rooms resulting in the takedown of major operations.

21:36The scammers would like nothing more than to expose him.

21:39Oh, can we just acknowledge the handcuff method that they've got going on there?

21:44They're just solving hands.

21:47I think I went to that wedding last summer.

21:55Browning is one of many scambaiters who expose and disrupt scam operations by hacking into their call centres,

22:02accessing their computers and finding out exactly who they are.

22:05Yeah, hi sir.

22:06My name is Carolina Fernandez.

22:09I am calling you from the Microsoft.

22:12Oh, hi Priya.

22:14Browning's huge YouTube popularity allows him to educate and protect the public against many worldwide scams.

22:23And Browning is not alone.

22:25An Australian company, Aparthe AI, is also using technology to scambate scammers.

22:30Aparthe chatbots engage with scammers on long fake calls.

22:35The idea being if they're chatting to a bot, they're not chatting to us.

22:38Hi sir, this is Mary speaking and I'm calling you from NBN.

22:43So we decided to upgrade your line.

22:45Right, right.

22:46So about the technician, how long do they usually take to do their work?

22:49You know, I might need to grab a cuppa while waiting.

22:52Yes, it's a quick job.

22:53Oh, that's good to hear.

22:55Just worried I might need to entertain them.

22:57Any tips on what to talk about with the technician?

22:59I could be a bit chatty, you see.

23:01Can you just hold for a minute?

23:03I will transfer my call to my teacher.

23:06With people like Jim Browning and Aparthe on our side, there's a real chance to fight back and reclaim our digital space.

23:12So Danielle, how do we arm ourselves against scams?

23:16Well, I think a really good tip for friends and family is to use a safe word.

23:20So a safe word is a word that only you and your group know.

23:24And I think that it's a really great tip to help you in scamming situations like the hey mum situation.

23:30And really easy to prepare, but it could be really critical in a moment where you don't have a lot of time to think.

23:37And reporting helps.

23:38Yeah, if there's sort of one message, it's report, report, report.

23:41Because the more reporting that happens, the more data that we get, the more we can understand what sorts of scams are out there,

23:47who's more likely to be targeted, who's more likely to be a full victim and so on.

23:51Scamwatch.gov.au is where you report scams in Australia.

23:54It's pretty much sort of like a clearing house.

23:57And they will send that information on, in some cases, to the police and other authorities.

24:02I love the idea of a scamming clearing house.

24:04Like, we've ordered too many scams!

24:06Bring the truck, bring the trailer, face painting for the kids, no windows!

24:10There's a whole lot of other things we can do.

24:14Like, for example, stay vigilant around knowing how your bank, your insurance company, your utility providers all interact with you.

24:22The other thing is to keep a perspective on urgency.

24:24So, a lot of these scams really use time urgency as the emotion to sort of hook you in.

24:30Look, the reality is, in life, very little is super time urgent.

24:36So, I think just take a breath and just think for a minute, because that will be enough to actually sort of get your cognitive processes going again.

24:42Is it better to hang up on scammers or be polite to them?

24:46We've got to remember that these people who contact us aren't always doing this willingly.

24:53So, organised crime engage in human trafficking to get people against their will into these call centres to make these phone calls.

25:02So, the person contacting you may not actually be the person where the money's going to.

25:07And they're a victim of crime as well.

25:08They're victims of human trafficking who are being used to try and extract money from you.

25:12And the real crime there is capitalism.

25:14A hundred percent, my friend.

25:17That is the most ABC thing ever since.

25:20Actually, Rhys, I don't think they say it enough.

25:23Have you ever been on the phone with a scammer and start to get to know them?

25:28I had a friend of mine get scammed.

25:31We were pretty sure it was a romance scam.

25:33It was quite obvious.

25:34And we said to her, look, this isn't real.

25:37And to prove it to her, we found the person whose photo had been taken and asked, have you been speaking with her?

25:43And he said no.

25:45And she said, I'll verify it myself.

25:46And then tried to pick him up.

25:48So, slightly different story.

25:51But a really good one, though.

25:55Yeah, I liked it.

25:57You can actually do a reverse image search and see if that image has popped up anywhere else on the internet.

26:01And what we know is that, particularly in romance scams, you'll see the same profile image used across multiple profiles.

26:08And that's a surefire bet that it's a scammer trying to lure you in, basically.

26:13Well, I've been deep faked and the audience have been quished,

26:18which leaves our comedian friends as the only ones who haven't been the victims of a scam tonight.

26:22But we're about to change all of that.

26:24Rhys, Steph, I'd like to invite you to play a game we're calling There's No AI In Me.

26:30In this game, we've taken some real audio clips of things you have both actually said and recreated them using a pretty basic AI voice emulator.

26:46Your job is to tell your real voice from the AI recreation.

26:50Easy?

26:51Well, we'll see.

26:52Rhys, you're up first.

26:53You're going to hear two clips of the exact same phrase.

26:56Which one is you?

26:58Hello, I'm Rhys.

27:00I'm from Australia.

27:01This is my real voice.

27:02Ridiculous.

27:03Here's the thing.

27:04I got engaged a couple of years ago.

27:06To a man.

27:07Sorry, ladies.

27:08Wrong tree.

27:09Stop barking.

27:10Hello, I'm Rhys.

27:15I'm from Australia.

27:16This is my real voice.

27:17Ridiculous.

27:18I got engaged a couple of years ago.

27:21To a man.

27:22Sorry, ladies.

27:23Wrong tree.

27:24Stop barking.

27:25I mean, I don't sound like that.

27:28I think the second one is me.

27:33And I'm basing this purely on there is a mic pop.

27:38Like, I can't tell the voice difference.

27:40But what I'm saying is that's the only thing that's making me think that.

27:44I cannot pick it out.

27:45Well, maybe that's the kind of thing you should be looking out for.

27:47Because it's correct.

27:48You are.

27:53That's still terrifying though.

27:55Yeah, I know.

27:56It is.

27:57It's terrifying.

27:58Okay, Steph, you're up.

27:59Here's your first clip.

28:00Because obviously we all know that what we're really using AI for is to make our Instagram

28:06pictures look really hot.

28:08Because obviously we all know that what we're really using AI for is to make our Instagram

28:14pictures look really hot.

28:17That is bloody hard.

28:21Because my initial reaction was to go for the first one until I heard the second one.

28:26But they've done that edit to make it sound like it's on stage.

28:29I thought there was a mic pop again, like you said, on the second one.

28:33I don't know why.

28:35I think I'm going to be wrong, but my gut is sure for the first one.

28:38Well, the AI has fooled you.

28:40It was true.

28:41No, it was not.

28:42And also my voice sounded great.

28:44So thank you.

28:45Yeah.

28:46Please give them a round of applause.

28:48Please give a huge thank you to our guests, Rhys Nicholson and Steph Tisdall.

29:01And of course, to our resident experts, Professor Danielle Reynold and Dr. David Bartlett.

29:07This week on Crime Night, we only scratched the surface of the science behind the scams.

29:14But we've learned that a little vigilance goes a long way.

29:17And how safe words aren't just for the bedroom.

29:19I'm Julia Zemiro.

29:20Good night.

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