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00:00Hello and welcome to the programme.
00:03This morning, a family needs your help to find the person responsible for killing their beloved daughter.
00:11This was one of the biggest cases Norfolk had at the time.
00:14There were 674 DNA profiles taken.
00:16There was 9,000 statements taken trying to find the person responsible for murdering Michelle.
00:23They've lived in torment for more than 20 years.
00:26Do you know anything that could help them?
00:28This is Crimewatch Live.
00:31We've been jamming the switchboard both here and at the instant.
00:35Just to remind you, this was the abduction and rainbow drop campaign and the handgun debate.
00:42Hello and welcome to Crimewatch.
00:4512 people rang and giving the same numbers and fantastic results.
00:48Thank you for joining us and thanks for your calls so far this series.
01:01We've had some names put forward for several of the appeals which police are now investigating.
01:05So do stay watching.
01:07Yes, thank you for those.
01:08Today, a collision in the West Midlands that had devastating consequences.
01:13One man died and two men fled the scene.
01:16Can you help find them?
01:18Let's hope so.
01:19We'll be hearing about the sinister assassination of much-loved father Lenny Scott, who was shot six times over a petty grudge.
01:28One particular camera actually incredibly graphically captured the murder.
01:33In my 30 years' service, I've never seen anything as cold and brutal.
01:38And we'll be chatting with Joelle Dunn, who's working to prevent young people from falling into a life of crime.
01:50As ever, our team are ready to take your calls and the officers from today's appeals are backstage too.
01:57So please do get in touch if you have any information.
02:00You can scan the QR code to get all of our contact details.
02:03You can call us as well on 08000 468 999.
02:09You can also text us on 633 999.
02:13Start with the word crime, leave a space, then write your message.
02:16And finally, you can email us at cwl at bbc.co.uk.
02:22First today, 22-year-old Michelle Bettels was last seen alive in 2002.
02:28Her family have never stopped looking for the person who killed her.
02:33Michelle was bright, she was intelligent.
02:39She spoke fluent French, quite a bit of German.
02:43I mean, I loved politics, and so did she.
02:47I could have a discussion with her on any subject whatsoever.
02:50She used to love calling me dad, and I used to think, you know, yeah, I feel proud of that.
02:59She was just happy-go-lucky.
03:01And it's only when she got to about 13, and then she started meeting boys, she changed overnight.
03:11She started smoking and drinking.
03:14She's gone from being this happy girl to one that just wanted to argue and fight about everything in the world.
03:20We believe, and me in particular, that that's where Michelle got dragged into that world.
03:28So Michelle Bettels was 22 years old.
03:41She'd been working as a sex worker for two years in and around Norwich City Centre.
03:44On Thursday, the 28th of March, 2002, which was the run-up to Easter, she was last seen on St. Benedict's walking towards Norwich City Centre at about 20 past eight, and that was picked up on CCTV.
04:00And that was the last sighting of her.
04:03She had an appointment at nine o'clock in the opposite direction to what she was travelling in, and she never made that appointment.
04:10Her body was found just about where I am now, which is about six or seven metres off the Podmore Lane, which is a very minor country track.
04:30It's a very rural area.
04:32There's very little traffic about.
04:34It's about 500 metres off the A47, the main Norwich to Kingsling carriageway.
04:40On the morning of the 31st of March, 2002, approximately 20 miles from the red-light district in Norwich, Michelle's body was found by a local resident who was walking his dog in some woodland.
04:58She had been strangled.
05:00The post-mortem and the scientific analysis of Michelle suggested that she'd been dead for 24 hours before she was found, which puts it into the 30th of March.
05:13And also, more oddly, that the scientists felt that she'd been stored somewhere dry, perhaps the boot of a car or another building, before she was brought here, after she'd been murdered.
05:24When Michelle's body was discovered in the woods, some of her belongings had gone.
05:35When Michelle was missing some items of clothing, she was missing a very distinctive black leather coat that she was known for wearing.
05:41She was missing a jumper with a fleeced collar.
05:45Her underwear was missing, and so were some items from her handbag.
05:48There are several sightings of her, six in fact, in and around Queens Road, City Road, Burr Street, areas of Norwich, which was the red-light district at the time.
06:00And there are numerous sightings over there that we believe she was working at, up until around midnight that evening.
06:06This was one of the biggest cases Norfolk had at the time.
06:19There were 674 DNA profiles taken.
06:22There was 9,000 statements taken, trying to find the person responsible for murdering Michelle.
06:29After exhaustive inquiries, police questioned three suspects.
06:33But when their alibis checked out, they were released.
06:43There isn't a day go by where you don't think about Michelle.
06:48She was Denise's daughter and my daughter, and I want her to be remembered that way.
06:55We come down on her birthday, and we come down on her anniversary of her death.
07:01We have to pass Podmore Lane, where Michelle was found.
07:07I always know when we get nearby.
07:10It's just like a magnet guides me to her.
07:12Michelle's killer is still at large.
07:24But now, with advances in DNA sequencing technology, there is new hope that they will be found.
07:32The latest DNA can sequence what colour eyes you have, what colour hair you have.
07:36That's the latest advances we're talking about.
07:38So what we're trying to do is take advantage of those new scientific techniques.
07:43Her body, her clothing and her jewelry were subjected to DNA, forensic analysis.
07:51And there were several samples that identified profiles of individuals.
07:57Whoever had contact with her, whoever was responsible for her death, would have left a forensic trace.
08:01For us, it's unravelling what her legitimate contacts were, and what the contacts were with the person that murdered her.
08:11John is no longer a young man, and him and Denise are obviously getting older.
08:16And, you know, closure for them would probably be the most important thing in their lives.
08:20I always imagine sitting there with Denise and saying to her, it's all over.
08:28And yet I always feel emotional about that, just saying, that's it.
08:33It's over now.
08:36And then we can just go on and try and live a normal life.
08:43It never, ever leaves you.
08:45We've served a sentence that somebody else should have been serving.
08:59Gosh, you can really see the toll it's taken on John and Denise's life there.
09:03Well, with me now is former Detective Chief Inspector Andy Guy.
09:08Thank you for coming in, Andy.
09:10I know you last came in in 2022, didn't you, to talk about this case.
09:14And it helped.
09:15You got some calls.
09:16Tell us a bit about that.
09:17Yeah, well, following the programme we did here three years ago and some local media releases,
09:22we received about 20 calls.
09:23That related to eight men that we were interested in.
09:27All of those had been seen, had their DNA taken discreetly and eliminated from the inquiry.
09:32In addition to that, there was one individual that came forward and said that he'd been with Michelle the day before she went missing.
09:37And again, he was seen discreetly, volunteered his DNA and was eliminated from the inquiry.
09:42Yeah, so hopefully talking about this again now will jog some more memories.
09:46And the DNA side of this is really important too because obviously technology's improved a lot since Michelle's death and that could really help in this case.
09:55Yeah, we spent a lot of time and effort investing in examination of forensic on Michelle, her clothing she was wearing and the area she was found in.
10:05And we have a full male profile that we're really interested in identifying who that belongs to.
10:11Yeah, so you just need more information.
10:12So let's talk about Michelle then.
10:14So she was 22, wasn't she, when she went missing?
10:17Yeah, she was 22, the mother of three young children.
10:20And as John said, she was academically bright.
10:23She was destined for university.
10:25She was doing really well.
10:26And around about 13 years of age, she went off the rails, got into Class A drugs and ended up working in her own Norwich.
10:33Yeah.
10:34And we have an image of Michelle.
10:37This is when she was last seen.
10:40Tell us a bit about this.
10:41So this is Michelle here in a distinctive three and a quarter or three quarter leather coat.
10:47She also had very sort of distinctive black hair and that's helped us identify the six or seven sites later on in the city.
10:53So she's heading towards Norwich.
10:54The appointment she had at nine o'clock is 180 degrees in the opposite direction and she never kept that.
11:00And it's interesting because where her body was then found is quite a distance from where she was last seen.
11:06Yeah, it's about 23 miles to Scarning, Podmore Lane, where she was found, Rushmeadow Road.
11:12And that's just adjacent to the A47, the main thoroughfare into Norwich from King's Lynn.
11:18It's a rural area and there's some suggestion that the person to posit her might have had some local knowledge.
11:23Yes. So there's a lot to take in here and hopefully this will jog people's memories.
11:28What are you hoping to hear from people?
11:30Well, the two areas of appeal are firstly, you know, if you have any information, if there's any suspicion you have around an individual that may be responsible for Michelle's death, please let us know.
11:39Yeah.
11:39And the second one is any individuals that may, any men who may have spent time with Michelle that weekend, the 28th of March through to the 30th of March.
11:48Yeah.
11:49To get in touch. I appreciate that's sensitive, but we will deal with discreetly.
11:52Well, that's a good point because there might be people who are worried about coming forward.
11:55But as you say, you know, this has happened before and you've been very discreet.
11:59Absolutely.
11:59Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming in. I really hope this makes a difference for the family.
12:04Please do call us if you have any more information that may help finally bring some answers to Michelle's family.
12:10All the ways to get in touch are at the bottom of your screen.
12:14Now, our next appeal this morning, I am with DS Paul Hughes from West Midlands Police.
12:19He's investigating a fatal hit and run from the summer.
12:23Paul, thank you for coming in today. What can you tell us about this incident?
12:26We're going back to Friday, the 1st of August this year, 11.50pm just before midnight.
12:31We've got a three-vehicle collision which happened on Stratford Road in Birmingham, Sparkbrook area.
12:37We know a blue Vauxhall Mariva comes out of Longstreet onto Stratford Road and tries to turn right into Ladypool Road.
12:45At the same time, a black Audi A4 is travelling up Stratford Road and sadly we have the collision.
12:50That results in the Mariva spinning 180 degrees and the Audi then collides with a stationary Nissan X-Trail.
12:56You can see on the map there where this incident took place and where the attempted turn was.
13:02As you say, you've described the incident.
13:05We've actually got some CCTV that you've provided us of the incident.
13:08I should warn you that it's pretty shocking footage.
13:13We can see it in full.
13:14Let's have a look at what happens here.
13:15These are the two cars and we can even hear the impact.
13:21That is a really powerful collision.
13:23We've got a different angle of that here, Paul.
13:27Goodness me, it really is quite some impact there, isn't it?
13:31With that attempted turn as you've just described.
13:34But then we can seizure shortly on what happens afterwards.
13:38We can see a lot of people already starting to come out.
13:40But when was this taken here?
13:42So this is the same CCTV.
13:43This is seconds after.
13:46And it's very important to our appeal.
13:47You can see just how many people come out into the road to look at the scene.
13:52Some of them help the victims of this.
13:54And that is key to the appeal for today.
13:56And as you say, even though it was nearly midnight,
13:58we can see just minutes afterwards just how quickly all these people have come round to the scene and gathered round.
14:04Many of these could be, of course, potential witnesses.
14:06Now, in the collision itself, sadly, it did lead to one fatality and other injuries as well.
14:13Yes.
14:13So in the Audi, we have four occupants.
14:15We know who they are.
14:16They were all injured, quite serious, did go to hospital.
14:19Nothing life-changing for them.
14:21And they are making a recovery.
14:23So within the Mareeva, we know we have three occupants.
14:26Sadly, our victim from the fatality is one of those.
14:30But we also now know from that CCTV, within seconds, we have an unknown male who climbs out of the passenger side of the Mareeva.
14:39And then members of the public who help our victim out of the car.
14:43Some others also help a male out of the driver's side of the car.
14:47OK.
14:47And at the moment, you don't know who either of those people are,
14:50including the person that came out of the driver's side car of the Vauxhall Mareeva vehicle.
14:55So you're particularly keen to hear from those or anyone that's helped those people?
14:59Yes. So the focus of our appeal is that Vauxhall Mareeva.
15:02And as you said, it's those two unknown males, one that climbs out on their own and one who has helped out by the public.
15:08Well, we can actually see an image now of what that vehicle would have looked like, similar to the one above.
15:14That's a Vauxhall Mareeva there, Paul.
15:16And obviously, at the bottom, we can see this is the actual vehicle, isn't it?
15:19That's great.
15:20That your colleagues have photographed at the scene after the collision, just showing the scale of the impact there.
15:27But of course, you need as much detail as possible about that vehicle.
15:30What do you know about it at the moment, this vehicle?
15:33So the Mareeva at the town collision was on what we call a false registration.
15:37So the wrong registration number.
15:38We know it's true identity.
15:39That has led to various lines of inquiry that we do follow through.
15:43But sadly, none of those have led us towards those two occupants, and especially the driver that we spoke about.
15:50OK, so we really need to find out who they are.
15:52So who is your appeal to today, Paul?
15:55Several people for today.
15:57We've seen on the CCTV loads of people come out.
16:00I need those people to come forward and speak to me.
16:03Give us the information.
16:03You've done nothing wrong.
16:04Just help us out.
16:05Especially the members of the public that go to the car and do the right thing.
16:09They go and help people.
16:10They help the victim.
16:11But they also help one of the people I want to speak to.
16:14Please come forward.
16:15Tell you no.
16:15We also know from CCTV, you can see people filming.
16:18Social media is very prevalent these days.
16:21Lots of people have been filming mobile phones.
16:24Please come forward.
16:25That footage could be crucial.
16:26They might not know how serious this incident was.
16:28You take all that information.
16:29That's the jigsaw pieces.
16:30Let's put the puzzle together and help the family.
16:32But also the two people gone away.
16:34When you run away, you may not know what's going on.
16:36Now's the time you do.
16:37Do the right thing.
16:38Come forward.
16:39In support of all that, as well as your programme, the Crimestoppers Charity are offering a reward of up to £20,000 to assist.
16:47They are independent.
16:49They're nothing to do with me, nothing to do with the police.
16:51So you can contact your programme, contact me.
16:53But you can go through Crimestoppers.
16:55You don't have to tell them who you are.
16:56And you've got that reward out there.
16:58Please help us come forward.
16:59Yeah, it could be absolutely crucial, Paul.
17:01Get in touch.
17:01If you have any information, remember, you can also scan our QR code, which will take you to our homepage,
17:06which also contains all the information on how to contact West Midlands Police.
17:11Now, later on, we'll be chatting to Russ Middleton from the League Against Cruel Sports
17:16to hear about a crime that has been outlawed for over 100 years, but is still happening today.
17:22We're talking about dogfighting.
17:27But first, you might remember a shocking case from a few months back about a prison officer, Lenny Scott,
17:33who was shot dead simply for doing his job.
17:37Well, this is how detectives went on to catch the man responsible.
17:41I should say there are some very moving interviews in this film.
17:48Lenny was our only son.
17:51He was everything to us.
17:54He was about six foot three.
17:56He was 20-odd stone.
17:58I couldn't even get my arms around him when I was hugging him.
18:01Lenny joined the RAF when he was 17.
18:06And in the RAF, he was a firefighter.
18:09Loved everything about that.
18:12But he missed home.
18:14And so, after a number of years, he decided to leave to come home.
18:22The biggest thing was his humour.
18:24Lenny was, he was, he could light up a room with his, with his banter and his humour.
18:35Lenny has three children.
18:37They were his world.
18:40And he was theirs.
18:41Two, three.
18:43Every single thing was aimed at his children.
18:51If you'd have said to him, you've got a cup final ticket sitting next to the Prince of Wales, whatever,
18:57or you can go to the park with the kids.
19:01He picked the park.
19:02On the 8th of February, 2024, Lenny Scott headed to ASW Liverpool gym, where he regularly trained.
19:18At approximately 7.30pm, emergency responders received a call.
19:37Police were called to the gym to report of a man having been shot.
19:43First responders attended to find members of the gym rendering first aid to the casualty,
19:49who had, in fact, been shot six times.
19:53It quickly emerged that the casualty was a gentleman named Lenny Scott.
19:58Police officers and paramedics worked really, really hard to try and save Lenny.
20:03But sadly, because of the extent of the injuries, Lenny was pronounced dead at the scene.
20:07When he hadn't come home by about 8, half 8, I thought, it's quite strange.
20:18I started ringing him, obviously, and sending him messages, just saying,
20:22you're coming home, you haven't had anything to eat.
20:27After then, I saw on the doorbell that it was police outside.
20:34I knew by answering the door that everything was going to change from then.
20:50And obviously, I wouldn't have known that he'd passed away.
20:54I thought it would just be that he would be really injured or something.
21:02And then Paulie told me.
21:04And I just wanted a hole to open.
21:12Because our lives are just...
21:14We lost the most precious thing in the world.
21:20This has got to be a nightmare that we'll both wake up from.
21:24But unfortunately, we never will.
21:28Officers immediately began investigating
21:38and were able to obtain vital CCTV footage.
21:42One particular camera actually incredibly graphically captured the murder.
21:49In my 30 years service, I've never seen anything as cold and brutal.
21:54With this footage and the witness statements taken at the scene,
22:04officers were able to piece together Lenny's last moments.
22:08The gym was a jiu-jitsu gym.
22:10Lenny attended there every Thursday, religiously.
22:14Lenny had stayed on an extra half an hour or so
22:16to do some additional sparring with his friends.
22:19They came out later than they would normally have been leaving the gym.
22:24They paused by Lenny's car.
22:32And noticed a man walking with purpose towards them.
22:38They must have been wondering, what on earth is he doing?
22:41Lenny made the comment, who's this joker?
22:44Lenny's car had no clue whatsoever what was about to happen.
22:49And then the assailant stepped round the car and opened fire.
22:52Lenny made the comment, who's this jiu-jitsu man?
22:54Lenny made the comment, who's this jiu-jitsu man?
22:55Lenny made the comment, who's this jiu-jitsu man?
22:56Lenny made the comment, who's this jiu-jitsu man?
22:57Using the CCTV, detectives were able to track the suspect's movements before the attack.
23:04CCTV actually showed, in a very chilling way, our killer waited in that car park,
23:10just quietly biding his time for approximately 50 minutes.
23:14And then as Lenny emerges, you instantly see the gunman become active and he's straight down the car park and you see him pull the weapon and without anything being said.
23:26The suspect used an e-bike to flee the area.
23:35The gunman disappeared into the night.
23:37He knew exactly who he was targeting, in my view.
23:40Paul Lenny didn't stand a chance.
23:42We are going to leave no stone unturned and do everything in our power to identify who this gunman is and bring him to justice.
23:48The key steps that you absolutely have to take at the start is to understand your victim, how did he live, can very often tell you who wished him harm.
24:08In 2020, four years before he was murdered, Lenny Scott worked as a prison officer.
24:14In March of 2020, Lenny was tasked and recovered something from a particular inmate's prison cell.
24:23The inmate was a male named Elias Morgan.
24:27He'd been in prison for a significant period of time and he was a persistent and repeat criminal.
24:35Elias Morgan had an illicit mobile phone in his cell.
24:39Lenny Scott, together with other officers, were directed to recover that mobile phone.
24:45Morgan was actually asleep as they entered and it was on the pillow beside his head.
24:51So Lenny stepped forward, picked up the phone, seized it and the three officers withdrew from the cell.
24:57There was no violent interaction, in fact no interaction, as Morgan remained asleep.
25:03Some time later, Elias Morgan was given paperwork that related to the seizure of the phone
25:08and on that paperwork was Lenny's name.
25:14Realising that Lenny Scott was the officer responsible for that,
25:19Elias Morgan tried to bribe Lenny Scott with £1,500 to make the phone go away.
25:28Lenny's clearly a man with a great deal of moral courage.
25:31When that didn't work, then the threat started.
25:38And those threats became increasingly menacing.
25:42Morgan warned Lenny that he had associates on the outside that were watching his family.
25:47Hello, may I please?
25:50I've been just being informed that there's a car set outside my house all weekend by a prisoner.
25:57And I believe it's there at the moment.
26:01It's a prisoner threatening my family.
26:03Right, OK, so what's your name, please?
26:05Lenny Scott.
26:06And who's made the threat?
26:09Elias Morgan.
26:10He's described my family to a T, described my house.
26:14I've nicked them for a phone.
26:18Ah, right.
26:19Until I dropped her, he said they're staying there,
26:21and they're just going to constantly be around my house,
26:24just in fear for my family's life, that's all.
26:28I've been threatened all the time, but this is a bit...
26:31Too close to home?
26:32Yeah.
26:34An iPhone he had, and he reckons it's going to incriminate him,
26:38so that's why he's going to these lengths.
26:40It's no wonder that these threats really, really concerned and frightened Lenny.
26:49He was made aware that himself and other members of the family were being followed,
26:56and I've never seen such a fear in his eyes.
27:01Elias Morgan had, in fact, made a gun gesture with his fingers,
27:08pointing at Lenny, and said,
27:10I will bide my time, but I promise I will get you.
27:15Elias Morgan was clearly deeply concerned by the content of that phone,
27:19and clearly did not want whatever was on that phone to get out.
27:23Lenny could not possibly have known what the impact upon him and his family would be.
27:31Goodness, that's absolutely horrendous, isn't it?
27:35Well, we'll bring you the second part of that extraordinarily sad case later on.
27:40Now, though, we are joined by Joelle Dunn,
27:43who's trying to help stop the kids who are kicked out of school ending up in prison,
27:48because it's a big problem with estimates suggesting
27:50that nearly a quarter of children in secure settings
27:53have previously been excluded from schools,
27:56and you, Joelle, are trying to change that.
27:59It's incredible what you're doing.
28:00Tell us about the Paradigm Project that you set up.
28:03I founded Paradigm Project in 2020,
28:05after years of working on the front line with issues like knife crime,
28:08gang culture, and school exclusions.
28:10And what I saw was a broken system that was reactive and not proactive,
28:15where the most vulnerable children and young people
28:17were not safeguarded and protected.
28:20So there's a quote that really sums up the work that I do by Desmond Tutu,
28:23which says,
28:24there comes a point when we have to stop pulling bodies out of the water
28:26and go further upstream to find out why they're falling in the first place.
28:30And for me, over the years, that served as a call to action
28:33and really helped shape the identity of the work that we do.
28:36And our vision at Paradigm Project is really simple,
28:38an education system that is free from systemic barriers.
28:41And we work towards that vision through research,
28:44which exposes the root causes of complex youth issues
28:47and programmes and training that support schools and communities
28:49in tackling these issues differently.
28:52And a common thread between the two of those
28:54is a focus on early educational transitions.
28:56Yeah, it's so important.
28:57It really is, Joel.
28:59So talk about those transitional times then for young people
29:02and why it can be such a problem for so many.
29:04Yeah, so transitions themselves are tricky for all children, right?
29:08And research in child psychology shows us
29:12that when transitions aren't managed well,
29:14they can be traumatic incidents.
29:15So take the transition from primary to secondary school,
29:19for example, where children are experiencing new responsibilities,
29:23new environments, losing old friends, making new friends.
29:26That can be a daunting experience for any child.
29:28But when you add in children who may have additional support needs,
29:31for example, those with special educational needs and disabilities,
29:35those from marginalised communities,
29:36for example, with care experience, etc.
29:39Those children, the pressures and the challenges are compounded.
29:43So actually, we don't see the transitions as problems.
29:46At Paradigm Project, we see those transition points
29:48as reachable moments where we can proactively intervene
29:51and work with children, especially vulnerable children,
29:54and equip and empower them so that they have successful transitions.
29:58Do you know what?
29:58Everything you're saying is common sense, isn't it?
30:00And it's great that you're doing this.
30:02It's also very personal to you how this all started.
30:05Yeah, it's deeply personal to me.
30:06And I guess I have a really unconventional route
30:08into the work that I'm doing.
30:10In 2016, I was released from a custodial sentence.
30:13And my time that I served in prison
30:15was deeply transformational for me.
30:17I always speak about it was the first time
30:19that I became aware of some of the privileges that I had.
30:22You know, the fact that I'd completed education,
30:24I had qualifications and work experiences.
30:26These weren't the common experiences of the people that were around me.
30:29And for what I saw, it was just that they had a different hand dealt to them
30:32than what I did.
30:33So it gave me a real desire to give back
30:36in acknowledging those things that were different about my experience.
30:40And I did a mentoring qualification in prison.
30:42And I started off mentoring in the education department.
30:45And for me, that really lit something in me.
30:47And I really found that purpose was in serving others.
30:50And when I left, I volunteered for an organisation
30:52that was working with young offenders.
30:54And across the years that I worked in statutory and voluntary sector,
30:57I saw the gaps which led to me founding Paradigm Project.
31:00You've done so much, Joelle.
31:01Yeah, it's amazing.
31:02You really have.
31:03So tell us some of the things that you do now to help others.
31:06Yeah.
31:06So as well as the work I'm doing at Paradigm Project,
31:08I'm also a doctoral researcher at the University of Cambridge.
31:11And my research topic is dismantling the school-to-prison pipeline.
31:15And my academic journey started there two years ago,
31:18researching the same topic at master's level.
31:20And really, the research that I've been doing at Cambridge
31:23has helped give credibility to the work that I'm doing at Paradigm Project.
31:27So we've had a bit of a shift to focus on research.
31:29And we've just released two important pieces of research.
31:32One is a cultural humility approach to safeguarding Black girls in education.
31:36And the other piece is about race equity in education.
31:39You can find both pieces of the research on our website,
31:41alongside with a short film that brings those stories and voices to life.
31:46And as well as the research, we have our programmes,
31:48most notably My Next Steps, which is a resource for schools
31:51to help students and parents with the primary to secondary school transition.
31:56And we also have cultural humility training,
31:58which is adopted from healthcare,
32:00which helps schools to work more inclusively and relationally
32:03with their young people.
32:05It's absolutely smashing life.
32:06And just had twins as well, amongst all of this.
32:09On top of everything else.
32:11Thank you so much for coming in.
32:12It's been lovely to chat to you, Joel.
32:15Now, we're going back to the second part of our film
32:17about the horrific shooting of Lenny Scott.
32:20In February 2024, Lenny Scott was murdered outside a gym where he regularly trained.
32:33Officers were investigating who was behind this execution-style killing.
32:37He knew exactly who he was targeting.
32:40And discovered that four years earlier,
32:43Lenny was being threatened by Elias Morgan,
32:46an inmate at a prison where he worked.
32:49I've just been informed that there's a car setter to hide in my house all weekend.
32:54Just in fear for my family's life, that's all.
32:57All because Lenny had seized Morgan's illegal mobile phone.
33:03Elias Morgan emerged as a prime suspect in this case from very early on.
33:09What would his motivation be for killing Lenny?
33:12Examination of the seized phone revealed that Elias Morgan had been in a sexual relationship
33:19with a prison officer, one of Lenny's very own colleagues.
33:22That is, of course, illegal.
33:28Further analysis of the phone revealed that, in fact, that same officer
33:32had had further sexual relations with two other inmates.
33:36The former colleague of Lenny ended up sentenced to 80 months' imprisonment.
33:40The other two inmates, they both pleaded guilty and received nine months' imprisonment each.
33:46And Elias Morgan himself pleaded not guilty,
33:49and his trial was adjourned until shortly after the murder, in fact, took place.
33:55That seemed to me to be a powerful motivation for Elias Morgan to murder Lenny Scott.
34:00Elias Morgan began to plot and scheme his revenge on Lenny Scott.
34:17Detectives now needed to track Elias Morgan's movements prior to the murder.
34:22On the 3rd of January, Elias Morgan goes to a gym that Lenny Scott used to train at.
34:27Subsequently, he went very close to where Lenny, in fact, lived with his family.
34:33Elias Morgan continued to stalk Lenny, looking for a place to attack.
34:39Detectives now needed to prove that Morgan was in the area the night Lenny Scott was killed.
34:45Shortly before the murder, a Mercedes vehicle that was linked to Morgan
34:50was driving into the Skelmersdale area
34:53and didn't leave Skelmersdale until after the murder.
35:01And we were able to locate that vehicle
35:03and subject it to rigorous forensic examination.
35:08We were able to recover a particle of gunshot residue
35:11in the driver's door pocket and Elias Morgan's blood.
35:15We also found that the vehicle was on false registration plates.
35:19Despite Morgan's attempts to avoid detection,
35:26police were able to obtain crucial CCTV.
35:33We can see a male changing the number plates.
35:36However, the quality of the footage,
35:39you're unable to tell who the suspect is.
35:41However, some phone work that we did showed Elias Morgan's phone pings
35:48and hits right on the money where the vehicle is.
35:53That individual changing that number plate is, in fact, Elias Morgan.
36:00Detectives had placed Morgan in the area at the time of the murder.
36:04But the key question remained.
36:06How did he come by the e-bike which made his escape possible?
36:10Evidence emerged that an associate of Elias Morgan
36:13had, in fact, taken a white van into Skelmersdale.
36:18I believe that the purpose of that van was to take the e-bike,
36:23to take the clothing that was to be worn by the gunman and the gun,
36:28and it just sat there awaiting Morgan's arrival.
36:30The associate was likely unaware of the contents of the van.
36:36With all the evidence,
36:38police now knew the full story of the night Lenny was murdered.
36:42He parked the Mercedes.
36:44He conducted a reconnaissance to make sure that Lenny's vehicle was there.
36:48He then returned on foot to the van and launched his plan of attack.
36:52He returned on the e-bike and lay in wait on the car park.
36:56Morgan has ridden back at speed,
37:08and I am convinced he thinks he's away and scot-free.
37:13Elias Morgan was charged with the murder of Lenny Scott
37:17and, on the 2nd of September, was found guilty
37:21and was sentenced to 45 years in prison.
37:24This was a meticulous and highly planned plot
37:29to take the life of a man
37:31for literally doing his job and refusing to be corrupted.
37:39I must pay tribute to that family.
37:41They'd put their faith and trust in Lancashire Police
37:44and my investigation team.
37:46They stayed with us throughout.
37:47There was justice for Lenny, but it's never going to be enough.
37:59He should be with us.
38:03You have to get through it.
38:05We've got children who need the whole family.
38:09For them to have to be told what had happened,
38:14it's just something I'll never, ever forget.
38:16No.
38:18The heartbreak on their faces,
38:22to see a light go out in their eyes...
38:26..was just devastating.
38:30The happiest times are when I'm with the children.
38:33It gives you almost a spark and keeps you going.
38:39I don't think we'll ever come to terms with it,
38:43but we are determined to move forward
38:46and to keep his memory alive.
38:55Lenny's poor family there.
38:57Well, now I am with Russ Middleton,
39:00who is Head of Intelligence for the animal charity
39:03League Against Cruel Sports.
39:05Russ, thanks for coming in,
39:06because you want to talk about dogfighting.
39:09So this is something that was outlawed back in 1835,
39:13but yet there are lots of people doing this.
39:15Tell us who's doing it and why.
39:17So this was outlawed 200 years ago,
39:19and the people involved that we see
39:22are serious organised criminals.
39:24They're violent often,
39:25and they're involved in a deep underworld
39:28of dogfighting, causing great harm to dogs.
39:32Yeah, and every part of this is brutal, isn't it?
39:36Because even the training that the dogs are doing is awful.
39:39Yeah, the training as well.
39:40They run training camps,
39:42building up to a dogfight they call a keep.
39:45They'll be doing work on treadmills.
39:47They'll be doing jaw-strengthening
39:49by hanging them from rubber tyres
39:51and the like from trees.
39:52And I've even seen them putting dogs
39:56into fast-flowing rivers to swim against the current
39:58to build their strength and stamina
40:00so that they can go the distance in a fighting pit.
40:03Yeah, so there's nothing about these dogs' lives
40:05which is good, is it?
40:06So how do you go about trying to find these people doing it?
40:10Because it's kind of like a secret underworld, isn't it?
40:12Yeah, so a lot of our information comes in
40:15from the public who identify suspected dogfighters,
40:19and they'll call us at the League Against Cruel Sports.
40:22And we'll start unravelling those strands of evidence
40:25to see if we believe that there is dogfighting.
40:28I also operate online in various social media platforms
40:31to see if I can pick up on the little words
40:35and the giveaways and follow those strands
40:37to an investigation.
40:38Yes, because those words, like you said, the keep,
40:40that's what they call a training, isn't it?
40:42That's right, yeah.
40:42They have names for the dogs as well,
40:44like champions and grand champions and things like that.
40:47Yeah, so if a dog wins three fights in a row,
40:49it gets the accolade of a champion.
40:51And if it wins five fights in a row,
40:53it gets called a grand champion.
40:56And that's what makes these dogs so valuable
40:57when they're breeding them to fight.
41:00Yeah, and so this is stuff to look out for
41:02when you're kind of investigating this on social media.
41:04Yeah, so I have to pick up on all of their own language
41:07that they have and try and follow those
41:09to identify who they are.
41:12And what kind of success have you had with this?
41:14It's mixed and varied,
41:15but we do actually identify dog fighters.
41:19We take the intelligence and the packages,
41:21as we call it, to police and hand it all over to them
41:24to try and investigate it.
41:26They get search warrants and then they'll raid the place
41:28and hopefully take these dogs away from a life of misery.
41:31Yeah, and this is happening all over the place, isn't it?
41:34It's not just one particular part of the country
41:36where you're finding this going on.
41:37No, no, not at all.
41:39It's all over the UK.
41:40It's urban areas, maybe in disused farms.
41:43It's inside areas like, we even had one in a warehouse.
41:48I've seen them in cellars of houses.
41:51So it's anywhere where the public won't really have a good look
41:55and a gaze.
41:57Somewhere where private,
41:58so they can conduct this awful activity.
42:01And are there anything we could be looking out for
42:03as members of the public to try and spot this?
42:05So the first thing that we would advise, if you can,
42:08is to look for the breed of dog.
42:09The Section 1 band breed of American Pitbull Terrier
42:12is the main dog of choice for a dogfighter.
42:15We also look for scarring on their muzzle and their forelegs,
42:19indicating they've been involved in a fight.
42:21And we also look for things like treadmills
42:24and other indicative sort of material.
42:28Yeah, things they're using.
42:29Yeah.
42:30Well, Russ, thank you so much for coming in to talk about this.
42:33Really, really appreciate your time.
42:35If you'd like any further information,
42:37then please do go to the League Against Cruel Sports website,
42:40which you can see on the screen now.
42:42Well, remember, you can catch any of today's appeals on iPlayer,
42:48and that's for up to 30 days now after broadcast.
42:51And you can access details of organisations
42:54who can provide support with some of the issues covered
42:56by visiting bbc.co.uk slash action line.
43:01Tomorrow, how a con artist used the temptation
43:04of Scottish homegrown tea
43:06to empty the pockets of investors and top-notch hotels.
43:10This was a very elaborate fraud
43:13that was reaching into all sorts of corners of the tea world.
43:17Pam O'Brien had swindled a lot of us out of a lot of money.
43:23Fascinating story, that.
43:23Although I hate tea.
43:24Like sucking a leaf.
43:26Hate tea, but you're going to love that story.
43:28I am.
43:28It's quite something.
43:29You're going to see you at the same time of 10.45 tomorrow.
43:32Have a good day. Bye-bye.
43:40Have a good day.
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