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Revelations of a secret Pentagon program as well as eyewitness testimony from fighter pilots forces the world to take UFOs seriously for the first time in years.
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00:00I don't know what the hell that is I don't know man but no planes ride that low what the hell is
00:29that the Pentagon has confirmed the existence of the 22 million dollar initiative that studied
00:35UFOs for at least five years beginning in 2007 and they released video some people find what we
00:42call UFOs terrifying or they just want to dismiss it and say it's all nonsense I'm not joking
00:50way up there look at how it's moving it's really not all nonsense but it's not what you think it is
00:59either they're very large nice feet ten foot I don't know they're like aliens to us they're
01:05tiny eyes and and they're not human they're 100% they're not human it turns out there was a UFO
01:11program in the Pentagon secretly studying us and for years there is something there there is
01:17something provably there and at least initially it cannot be explained
01:47so
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02:43when it comes to the UAP problem the rules have changed I mean the best evidence is what your
02:49government is doing about it now just a short time ago Senator Reid responded to CNN saying that he's
02:53quote proud of this program and its groundbreaking studies
03:00first off introduce yourself and let me know what you do and how you're even related to all of this
03:07I'm Gary Nolan I'm a professor in the department of pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine
03:13and the principal function of my lab is cancer research but sub cellular cancer research so we look at cells in cancer tissues
03:26when you're trying to understand the basics of something really what you're doing is you're tearing something apart down to its most foundational constituents and you're saying how do they get put together and we say this therapy with this arrangement does well and this arrangement they die
03:41they die
03:43rules
03:45it's the basics of science
03:48several years ago some people who are associated with the CIA and an aerospace company
03:54came to my office one day unannounced and they said hey we need to talk to you
03:59because people say that you have a blood analysis tool and we're doing complete medical workups of these people who have claimed to have interactions with something whatever it is and it was varied a hundred different people but we have all of this medical data including like MRIs of their brains and all the rest since you have the best blood analysis we need your help and then they started talking about UAP or UFOs
04:27and I thought it was a joke I really did I actually thought there was some sort of a candid camera moment I was looking around like okay well there's a there's a bridgeway over there is there a camera that's looking at me am I gonna you know this is a big joke
04:42but no they were very deadly serious
04:47did the data point to a conclusion of any kind or an understanding of any kind about these scans
04:53well I mean the understanding that we saw at least of the brain scans that we had was that it was random patches of white matter disease dead tissue in the brain
05:03all of them oh yeah absolutely you know at first glance it looks like multiple sclerosis you get these random white matter patches in the brain and as those patches progress people lose more and more function control over their body
05:18these look similar at first glance but they're non progressing
05:25and multiple sclerosis progresses unless you intervene so a few patches become 10 patches and they get larger
05:35these cases were what we would call acute non progressing
05:40I thought this is weird they all seem to have this at first we thought it was damage
05:47but this was in fact living tissue and so that's something that needs an explanation
05:52how did a person get all of these lesions in their brain and they don't have multiple sclerosis
05:58what happened to them
06:00I know I'm a little slow but that's not an airplane it's not a rocket maybe the dragons have been released somebody pissed off Godzilla
06:08I don't know what the hell is this whatever it is it's shaking my house
06:13now as it turned out the hundred events that we had probably about 85 of them actually were Havana syndrome patients
06:21Havana syndrome
06:22Havana syndrome
06:23Havana syndrome
06:24Havana syndrome
06:25so there were situations around the world where our diplomatic corps were complaining of noises in their head
06:41headaches rashes sickness etc and it's been generally determined that these are some sort of energy weapon which is being used to harass our diplomats
06:54I mean this is known from way back in Moscow during the Soviet Union
07:01it's not hard to do I mean take the front mesh off of your microwave and stick your face in front of it and you'll find out exactly what an energy weapon is
07:10and it turned out that 85 people that we had actually were Havana syndrome patients
07:16but that left 15 people on the table and we said well what's special about these people
07:22well they were all extremely high functioning they were all in many cases what you would call savants
07:29right they were 130 140 IQ plus why because these are DoD people they were also pilots and when you looked at their stories
07:38they were entirely about UAP
07:41there's a whole fleet of them look on the ASA
07:45my gosh
07:46the release of US Navy pilots cockpit footage and testimony about possible UAPs has caused a media frenzy
07:53no distinct wings no distinct tail seemed like they were aware of our presence because they would actively move around us
08:02this video captured by a fighter pilot with a cell phone that shows a metallic object that you might miss if you blink
08:08three key former military officials set to testify
08:15David Fravor a former Navy commander who took video of a UAP
08:19as we looked around we noticed a white tic-tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north south and moving very abruptly over the water
08:26there were no rotors no rotor wash or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings
08:33former Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves calls whatever is out there a security risk
08:39so you're seeing it both with the radar and with the infrared and that tells you that there is something out there
08:46pretty hard to spoof that
08:48my particular case a couple weeks after finishing my training found myself out in the Middle East preparing for combat operations
09:00we conducted those operations for about four months and returned back to the eastern seaboard of the United States
09:08we stopped upgrading some systems and doing repairs
09:11we upgraded radar system
09:13when we did this flying with a more advanced radar
09:16we'd be seeing objects that were operating in the working areas that we hadn't seen just that morning
09:26and that was really the status quo until we actually left on our workup cycle to join the USS Theodore Roosevelt off the coast of Jacksonville Florida
09:36and it was there that we filmed the gimbal video
09:46we all fly out together we do our training
09:50and we fly back as we run out of fuel essentially one by one
09:55two air crew that I know well were returning to the boat when they picked up radar contact of four or five objects
10:01that were flying in a wedge or V formation
10:05you can hear their excitement in their voice as they try to understand what they're looking at
10:09and then between that formation and the aircraft was a what appear to be a larger object and that's the object we typically call the gimbal
10:25that's not our LNS though is it?
10:27that's not our LNS dude
10:28that's not our LNS dude
10:31we're going against the wind
10:32the wind's 120 knots from the west
10:34look at that thing dude
10:35look at that thing
10:36look at that thing
10:37look at that thing
10:38it's rotating
10:41when Ryan Graves was flying off the USS Theodore Roosevelt off the east coast of the US during an exercise
10:47my job was safety of flight and I got this report on the Navy secret network
10:53it was an email and it was addressed to all the subordinate commanders of this command called US Fleet Forces Command
11:00a four-star command
11:03and it was from the operations officer a two-star admiral who I knew very well
11:08and the subject of the email was urgent safety of flight issue all caps
11:13the body the text was very short it just said if any of you have seen what these are tell me ASAP
11:20we're having numerous near mid-air collisions with these
11:23and we're gonna have to shut down the exercise if we don't resolve this
11:26and attached was the now very famous go fast video
11:30this was to every subordinate commander so this is about 20 admirals and senior executives who received it
11:45the thing is the next day that email was wiped from my computer
11:52and everybody else's and no one talked about it when I went to monthly meetings with the commander and all the people who received that email
11:58which I have a problem with because this was a safety of flight issue resulted in the pilots Ryan Graves having to mitigate his own safety threats with no senior officer supporting him
12:13which is a big problem we've seen these things being stationary and moving with the wind we've also seen them drifting against the wind in a very similar manner as well
12:31look like just a dark cube inside of a clear sphere we've seen them maintain complete stationary behavior over GPS location for extended periods of time in hurricane force winds we don't understand how it's able to perform those even very basic maneuvers
12:56we're seeing them in the morning we're seeing in the afternoon we're seeing in the evening there's no break in all those behaviors and so all that combined is confusing doesn't correlate with the technology that I'm aware of as a fighter pilot
13:17this story has a way of engulfing you whether you want it to or not
13:25I've called it my abduction story because when I first started covering this topic I felt like I was being lowered into a rabbit hole
13:39I couldn't see the bottom you know couldn't make out the creatures that were you know gonna show up
13:46if you would have told me six or seven years ago where we'd be today it would be kind of shocking
13:53well I covered the Pentagon and national security for more than two decades covered the wars in Iraq and
14:00Afghanistan traveled the world and in that entire time I don't think UFOs came up a single time all those years
14:10you know it was a subject that you know was for movies and in science fiction
14:16Rosenberg
14:17oh damn
14:18the archelians are not gonna like this this guy was one of the royal family
14:22I knew it this is an alien and you guys are from some government agency trying to keep it under wraps
14:27and then in 2017 things changed
14:32there's a recent report by the New York Times unveiled the existence of a real life X-files department
14:39the former head of that program Luis Elizondo told the times the UF program collected video and audio recordings of reported UFO incidents
14:46including footage from a Navy F-18 Super Hornet showing an aircraft surrounded by some kind of glowing aura
14:54as a journalist I'd spent 17 years reporting on UFOs in a climate in which nobody official would acknowledge anything about them
15:04before 2017 of course it was just ridicule it was just non-engagement just disinterest 100%
15:13and that's why it was so shocking for me to learn this program existed because I had been out in the world campaigning
15:19for the government to set up an agency to study these things
15:22but actually there was one
15:25I got a tip that hey you know the Pentagon has this UFO research effort and it was created you know by then Senator Harry Reid of Nevada
15:35here's a senior senator who believes the truth is out there
15:41and you know is inserting money into the Pentagon budget very quietly very secretively to go do more research on this
15:49I mean that only happens in the movies
15:53but this was a real story
15:55our story actually ran the same day as the New York Times
15:58I think they beat us by like an hour or something like that
16:01it all began when I went to this meeting and I sat opposite a table opposite Lou Elizondo and talked to him for about three hours
16:12all about the program I was shown all these documents I was shown you know performance reviews that he had
16:18and then the big moment was when I was shown these three videos that have since become very well known
16:25these haunting images part of a bombshell first admission by the military of a government program investigating sightings of UFOs
16:32it wasn't until the New York Times article came out in 2017 and I saw the video that they released
16:41obviously a strange moment of deja vu until I realized that those are you know my friend's voices
16:48that's when I realized that this was a problem that clearly wasn't being resolved
16:55Pilots who come forward you know not just somebody off the street but you know 20 year veterans flying F-18s
17:03trusted with millions of dollars of taxpayer money and high performance aircraft coming back and saying
17:10listen we were on this training mission and we were stalked by these orbs for days and it wasn't just the pilots
17:17but it was the radar operators on warships that were also part of this flotilla so you can't just dismiss it
17:30the videos were not shown to me by Lou in that meeting but they were shown to me on a laptop by Chris Mellon
17:36Christopher Mellon served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence for Presidents Clinton
17:55and George W. Bush and had access to top-secret government programs
18:00so it's not us that's one thing we know in 2017 as a private citizen he surreptitiously acquired the
18:07three Navy videos and leaked them to the New York Times it's bizarre that someone like myself has to do
18:14something like that to get a national security issue like this on the agenda
18:30it had to be a very personal decision you had to make to even talk to Leslie at first
18:51no actually this people don't realize is she was kind of auditioning for me
18:57I had the Washington Post and Politico and the New York Times competing for this story
19:02I didn't want to spend months and months and then find out that oh her editors are not going to run it
19:06competition is usually a good thing the New York Times seemed to be the best opportunity
19:10but it wasn't as though they found me I reached out to them
19:18Chris Mellon became involved with Luis Elizondo while he was still at ATIP
19:22which was this Pentagon group that had been studying UAP
19:26I got invited to a Pentagon meeting because I was an unpaid consultant to the Office of Naval Intelligence
19:39so I still have my security clearances and found out that we were having incursions over restrictive military airspace
19:49on an ongoing recurring basis for years
19:53dozens and dozens and dozens of incidents that were not being reported
19:58NORAD didn't even know this was happening
20:00North American Aerospace Command didn't know this was happening or so they say
20:04I was blown away how could this be why do we have an intelligence community
20:07if we're gonna let people fly over our country with strange vehicles and we're not even gonna report it
20:12It was partly like Pearl Harbor only absent the consequences but they're seeing it on radar
20:22they're not reporting it up the chain of command which is what happened at Pearl Harbor
20:25and it was kind of like 9-11 because all these different government agencies had pertinent information on this topic that they weren't sharing
20:30and there was no one place it came together
20:37I was ashamed in a sense as a member of the intelligence community
20:42as someone who's part of that to see the system paralyzed
20:47the natural reaction was to go through the chain of command
20:50I had two friends who by chance were direct reports that dissected off General Mattis
20:56but the bureaucracy nobody wanted to touch it
21:01it was a hot potato nobody would take ownership
21:06Christopher Mellon he's not somebody who's gone off the deep end
21:10he's somebody who worked you know at the highest levels of the Pentagon
21:13one thing that might drive Chris is that
21:16he was among the most senior intelligence officials in the country
21:19and he suspects they were hiding things from him
21:22when I was in the government this was an issue that you just didn't talk about
21:27there was always the risk that you were going to damage your reputation
21:30and you know might affect opportunities for promotion or jobs and so forth
21:36so after months of trying to get some kind of favorable action
21:40it became clear that we either had to give up and just allow this to continue
21:45or we had to go to Capitol Hill in the press
21:49tonight CNN has learned the Pentagon had a secretive program to research UFOs like the one Fravor spotted
21:56the project was called the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program
22:00all of this was on the record all of this was documented
22:03and because Senator Harry Reid was involved it also gave the story credibility
22:10it was pretty explosive I mean it was picked up a lot in our media
22:14I think maybe even more in the international media
22:18it was just like this firestorm
22:20the military spent millions of dollars to look into UFO sightings
22:24millions of dollars for the project were pushed through by former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
22:29but the funding for the project was so called black money
22:32meaning that was secret money for classified programs they just didn't want it talked about
22:36that could be a military threat we should be looking at it
22:39but on the one in a million billion chance that it really is ET
22:44we kind of want to know that too
22:48it was a thrilling moment for them
22:51it was a breakthrough it was unprecedented it was significant
22:55but I would like to correct the record a little bit
23:00the New York Times had virtually no impact on the legislative or executive branches of government
23:05what were you hoping the impact of it would be?
23:10I thought with Congress would be seized with this
23:13they'll be demanding briefings demanding to know what's going on
23:17that's not what happened to my great surprise
23:22marks a turning point in the history of this issue
23:25but had it been that story alone we wouldn't be having this conversation
23:30if you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?
23:48as I've stated publicly already biologics came with some of these recoveries
23:52were they I guess human or non-human biologics?
23:55non-human and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to
23:59that are currently still on the program
24:01now the committee says this could be the first of several hearings with some lawmakers saying next
24:06they would like to hear directly from some of the pilots who have encountered those objects first hand
24:11what changed? if it wasn't the New York Times then what made the difference?
24:17pilots
24:22that's what really made the difference
24:24it was face to face with the naval aviators describing their experiences
24:31when I pursued this my personal logic was that hey I'm representing myself
24:35I'm gonna talk I'm not gonna be wearing uniform
24:37I'm not gonna say I'm Lieutenant Graves and I'm saying X Y or Z
24:41I just wanted to speak as someone that had experiences that was talking about him in my own time
24:49from my perspective I knew that what I was doing was well outside the bounds
24:52of what would be considered acceptable behavior from my command structure or anything like that
24:56but I really didn't see any other way that this was going to resolve itself through the status quo
25:02Ryan was initially understandably very reluctant to come and speak to members of the Congress
25:09and it was a bit of soul-searching on his part
25:17what to me is so intriguing about it is in the past if a pilot saw something
25:22there wasn't any way of really corroborating was this human error was this fatigue on the pilot's behalf
25:29was this a problem with the instrumentation
25:32but now there are any number of documented incidences where there are multiple instruments recording something out there
25:40so it's not just the pilot it's not just one tool
25:45there there is something there there is something provably there
25:48and at least initially it cannot be explained
25:52I just knew that I had a responsibility to talk about what I knew
25:58and describe what I knew and what I didn't know as clearly as possible
26:04I ended up going to the Pentagon to kind of start the conversation
26:08we've transitioned from the Pentagon up to the center armors service committee
26:12we had a closed door meeting
26:14I mean honestly I was pretty terrified frankly
26:19I did not want to go there if you will
26:21I did not want to go there
26:23Ryan was one of the first pilots
26:25maybe the first pilot to come forward
26:27and brief members of the armed services and intelligence committees behind closed doors
26:31it was pretty clear that this was not necessarily going to be well received by his colleagues and his squadron
26:37and by other Navy officials
26:41and yet he decided to do so
26:44at least I can say at some point in my life
26:45I really truly pursued something that I felt I believed in
26:50you've also I believe discussed and know of many more pilots
26:54this is just those that you're currently working with
26:56is that correct can you expand on that?
26:58when we were first experiencing these objects off the eastern seaboard in the 2014 to 2015 time period
27:03anyone that had upgraded their radar systems were seeing these objects
27:11I didn't have a massive, massive interest in UFOs growing up
27:14kind of a standard interest that I guess most young people do with X-Files and E.T. and things in movies
27:22it was only in 2017 when the New York Times article came out that I really, my interest was really peaked
27:28and I think at that point I was hooked, absolutely hooked
27:32and so I wanted to kind of document where my mind was going on the subject
27:36and so I created an Instagram account in early 2023
27:40I kind of came in at the right time where the congressional hearing was happening
27:44and I think I was one of the only if not the only person putting content out in real time
27:48Mr. Fravor, the tic-tac incident that you were engaged occurred in 2004
27:52what kind of reporting took place after that incident?
27:55none, we had a standard debrief where the backseaters went down to our carrier intel centre
28:00and briefed what had happened and that was it
28:03in the UK they're a lot more reserved I think about the subject
28:06and we haven't seen much talk from the government at all
28:10the congressional hearings were just groundbreaking
28:13because we'd never had anybody ever in history on oath saying these things are real
28:20and these are my experiences
28:22in front of Congress with the hand up
28:25passing off their experiences for the world to see live on TV was just incredible
28:30we would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach that's zero airspeed
28:36these objects were staying completely stationary in category 4 hurricane winds
28:41these same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds 1.1, 1.2 Mach
28:46and they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't
28:50I don't have an explanation for
28:52stories are anecdotes
28:55and that's not a bad thing
28:57I mean in medical literature you can write about a case report
29:01which is an anecdote of a single individual story
29:04and that goes into the literature
29:06there are traditional and standard ways to get stories
29:12as long as there's data associated with it
29:15now let's talk about the science of it
29:18if you have a hundred people who've got the same internal scarring
29:22looking at the brain scans that's data
29:24so that's something that needs an explanation
29:27how did a person get all of these lesions in their brain
29:31and they don't have multiple sclerosis
29:33is there a commonality that we can observe
29:36and there was a couple of reports in the literature that I found
29:40that linked this area of the brain to intuition
29:43and that was interesting
29:45because I thought well wait a second intuition
29:47in an area of the brain that has to do with body movement
29:52let's say that you're at a party
29:57and you're walking around the room
29:58you need to predict where people are moving
30:00but that moment when somebody does something unexpected
30:03you have to react to it quickly
30:05so those are life and death moments as it turns out
30:09because let's say you're in a forest
30:11and a wolf or a cheetah is jumping out
30:14you need to be able to know to make the intuitively correct move
30:17all the studies that have come since then
30:22have said that intuition
30:24whatever it is that you want to call intuition
30:26resides in this part of the brain
30:28I've looked at the data
30:30and I say that there's something worth studying here
30:32I'm only here to give you the data
30:34you guys can argue till the cows come home what it is
30:37I'm just telling you what's there
30:40I'm not coming to any conclusions
30:42a lot of these pilots don't know what they're seeing
30:46they don't know if they're from our government
30:48above their pay grade
30:50they don't know if they're from adversaries
30:52state actors, non-state actors, private entities
30:56so we have to talk about these things
30:58and create an environment where other people are comfortable
31:01and feel safe enough to discuss this very serious issue
31:04you've got a lot of pilots out there who've seen things independently
31:09who have been too afraid to say anything
31:11yeah that was one of the things that was striking
31:13in having a chance over the course of a couple years
31:16to get to know Senator Harry Reid
31:18you know, learning from him
31:20number one, why he was interested in this issue
31:23and why he, some would say, risked his political high
31:27by creating a UFO program
31:30all of his staffers at the time
31:33were like, don't do this
31:34even if it's secret
31:35and if it leaks out
31:36you're gonna look like a kook
31:38but he didn't really care
31:40he talked to some of these fellow senators
31:42Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii
31:46both World War II veterans
31:48who were like, almost immediately
31:50oh yeah, we should totally look into this
31:55Ted Stevens said he saw Foo Fighters
31:57off his wing as an Army Air Corps pilot
31:59over Europe
32:00you know, people would come back
32:01and they'd be like, we saw those things again
32:03no idea what they are
32:04but they didn't attack us
32:06so I guess we're okay
32:07and didn't talk about it for 40 years
32:09Democratic Senator from Ohio
32:12John Glenn, who's 62
32:14is very much a hero
32:15in a country that loves to love a national figure
32:18John Glenn, he said, was another one
32:21who was like, we absolutely should be doing more research into this
32:23but again, these were not guys who said this publicly
32:26because in the, you know, in that era
32:28you just didn't do that
32:30now I think the stigma is changing
32:36We've managed to get the attention of the government
32:39both the legislative and executive branches
32:41and we now have the real prospect
32:44within the next 24 months, say
32:46of finding out possibly where the origin of some of these things are
32:50or where some of them might be extraterrestrial
32:52There's a massive sense of responsibility now
33:04and I think when I first started posting videos
33:06it was just whatever I found interesting
33:08It just keeps on going on circles and circles and circles
33:11and so now as I go further along
33:15every time I see new bits of footage
33:17or people send things to me
33:19I put out less and less and less and less and less
33:22because I have that responsibility
33:24so I'm really careful in what I put out
33:26and now somebody will send me something
33:28and I'll ask them
33:29where's this come from?
33:30Have you got the original?
33:31Do you know where the original came from?
33:32Who took the footage?
33:34There's other footage out there that's better
33:36that's more compelling
33:38but we don't know who took it
33:39we can't follow back that chain of custody
33:41to somebody that's super credible
33:43on a platform that we can trust
33:46Boom!
33:47What is that?
33:49We are all out here in the middle of this parking lot
33:54Is it possible for you to contrast
33:56the program that you initially wrote about
33:59with the program today?
34:01So ATIP was the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
34:07which was set up in 2007
34:12at the direction of Congress
34:14mainly to look into these reports from military pilots
34:19ATIP was a very small operation within the Pentagon
34:23It didn't get very far either
34:25the senior leadership in the Pentagon doesn't want to hear about it
34:28they don't want to spend resources on it
34:30It didn't have funding in the later years
34:33it was just a group of dedicated people
34:35who kept on doing what they were doing before
34:38when they did have some funding
34:40That entity was kind of transformed numerous times
34:44It became the UAP Task Force
34:47and a couple of years there
34:49and that was acknowledged
34:50by the Office of the Director of Naval Intelligence
34:52that that entity existed
34:54and that evolved
34:55it kept changing its name, you know
34:57and then it became this All Domain
35:00What is it?
35:02The All Domain
35:04Advanced
35:06Wait
35:08No, I know what it is
35:10All Domain
35:11What's the R?
35:12The All Domain
35:14Anomalous Resolution Office
35:17It's a horrible name
35:19Acronym is ARROW
35:21Leave it to the Pentagon
35:22to come up with something like that
35:24It's great that it has an easy acronym
35:26because some of the previous names were absolutely insane
35:28you couldn't even say them
35:30and let alone say an acronym for them
35:32Fuck the Pentagon with these acronyms
35:34It's called the UFO Office
35:36I mean, come on
35:37A Pentagon official confirmed this week
35:39that the U.S. government is investigating
35:41more than 650 potential UFO sightings
35:44A team is examining the 650 cases
35:47This office is up and running
35:49I'm working with colleagues
35:50to make sure it's fully funded
35:51So clearly the Pentagon is taking UFOs seriously
35:55And really they're supposed to be the focal point
35:58that is researching
36:00not just sightings
36:01made by military personnel that come in
36:03but also trying to dig into the bureaucracy
36:06and figure out
36:07what else do we know?
36:08Or what did we know?
36:09And when did we know it?
36:11This is altogether different
36:14fundamentally different
36:15Now you've got an organization
36:17that's out in the open
36:18with Arrow
36:19enjoys very strong support from Congress
36:21It has a very wide mandate
36:24and a lot of latitude
36:25It's got a large staff
36:27It's growing
36:28and you have the support
36:29from the intelligence community
36:31You have direct access
36:32to the Deputy Secretary of Defense
36:34and the Director of National Intelligence
36:38Now all the national security agencies
36:41all the intelligence agencies
36:42have to share information
36:44on this topic
36:45with this Arrow office
36:46All the puzzle pieces are now on one table
36:48and you can start fitting them together
36:50instead of being in different buckets
36:52spread all over the place
36:53I'd first like to thank our witness
36:55Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
36:56for testifying here
36:57and in today's earlier closed session
36:59and for his long and distinguished career
37:01both in the intelligence community
37:03and in the Department of Defense
37:04Dr. Kirkpatrick
37:05Dr. Kirkpatrick
37:06You can give your testimony
37:07Dr. Kirkpatrick
37:08It's a privilege to be here today
37:09to testify on the defense's efforts
37:12to address unidentified anomalous phenomena
37:14Do you know Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick?
37:17Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
37:18So Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
37:19is a physicist by training
37:20In his last assignment
37:22he worked for the Space Command
37:23and he worked in their intelligence shop
37:25He's very well suited
37:27and qualified
37:28by due of his training and background
37:30to lead this effort
37:32but it's early days
37:33so it remains to be seen
37:35how this is going to come out
37:36and where it's going
37:37This is an issue of government transparency
37:40We can't trust a government
37:41that does not trust its people
37:43We're not bringing little green men
37:44or flying saucers into the hearing
37:46Sorry to disappoint about half y'all
37:49We're just going to get to the facts
37:51We're going to uncover the cover-up
37:53and I hope this is just the beginning
37:55of many more hearings
37:56and more people coming forward about this
37:58This has become something you're vocal about
38:01Yeah
38:02I'm just wondering
38:03how do your constituents feel
38:04about you being vocal on this front?
38:05I get a little ribbing
38:07but I don't give a rip
38:08Mind you
38:09I go out to take my dogs out
38:11to go to the bathroom every night
38:12in the backyard
38:13and I look at those stars
38:15and literally
38:16the concept of light years
38:18it comes into play
38:19I always think
38:20I look at some of those stars
38:22and the light from those stars
38:23literally left that star
38:25before the time of Christ
38:27So you think in God's vast universe
38:32that there could not be something else
38:34and to think also
38:35I mean it's kind of arrogant on our part
38:36to think that we're the best that God can do
38:38I mean come on
38:42Since 1947 the Pentagon's been lying to us about UFOs
38:46and they've covered this thing up from day one
38:48You look at Roswell in 1947
38:52military comes out and says
38:54we've recovered a saucer
38:55and then the next day
38:57they drop that poor colonel out
38:59holding a hot air balloon
39:01and there's no way in hell
39:02that they would have messed that up
39:05You know military intelligence is a whole lot like
39:07congressional ethics
39:08it really just doesn't exist
39:10What's going to have to happen
39:15is somebody's going to have to walk out
39:17with some information
39:19of one of these craft
39:21either on the ground or flying
39:23before they you know
39:25commit suicide by shooting themselves
39:26in the back of the head five times
39:28I have legislation for this year's defense bill
39:34to guarantee that AERO
39:36they have access to special access programs
39:39which are typically compartmentalized
39:41and highly classified
39:42to make sure they're actually getting to see
39:44all the previous data
39:46all the previous information
39:48So all of those SAP's are opened to
39:51Dr. Kirkpatrick and the AERO team
39:53to review, to analyze, to understand
39:56and so hopefully whatever doors are still closed
39:59will be opened in the next year
40:01And you mean the data that stretches back decades even
40:04to the Second World War or the 40s, 50s?
40:07So the first time anyone seen
40:09unidentified aerial phenomenon
40:10and reported it to the federal government
40:12so we want that data
40:14so that can be used as a holistic review
40:17of what is the history
40:20all that should be co-located
40:22and reviewed scientifically
40:24the military's not comfortable
40:26with bad data, bad facts
40:28or things that they don't know the answer to
40:30and so that's why
40:31Senator Rubio and I and others
40:33teamed up to begin to look at this
40:35much more intensely
40:36If you look at what's happening now
40:40it's about Navy pilots
40:42like Graves
40:43what they're reporting from the cockpit
40:45but these budget questions
40:47really focus on the Air Force
40:49If you look at the Air Force budget
40:53a significant share of it
40:54actually isn't theirs
40:56it's the intelligence communities
40:58and it's for all the secret programs
41:00but it's sort of budgeted
41:01through the Air Force budget
41:03The Air Force complains that like
41:05you look at the Air Force budget
41:06and you think oh we get the same
41:07as the Army and the Navy
41:08we don't really
41:09because there's this huge chunk
41:10that's the pass-through budget
41:12it's actually not our stuff
41:13it's the CIA drone program
41:16and you know God knows what else
41:19We do know that the government
41:21spends billions every year
41:23on secret aircraft, drones
41:26I wonder if they don't want to play in this
41:29not because they're hiding aliens
41:31but if Arrow is picking around
41:34and wants to know
41:35where's all the SAPs
41:36the special access programs
41:38that might shed light on advanced technologies
41:41and you're the Air Force
41:43you don't want to open that up
41:45the SR-71 Blackbird Cold War spy plane
41:50the F-117 stealth fighter
41:53the B-2 bomber
41:54those things were secret for 30 or 40 years
41:57so imagine what they have now
42:06My goal is to make sure
42:07that the parts that are appropriate
42:09to be made public
42:10are made public
42:11and that's why we need
42:12the public reporting every year
42:13and that's why we created the office
42:14because we wanted to have
42:15a thorough scientific review
42:17of everything that's classified
42:18unclassified
42:19and publicly available
42:20so that we just have more information
42:22and that we have more clarity
42:24the way the issue came to me
42:26was how those pilots were treated
42:28that they weren't necessarily being believed
42:30or they were being disregarded in some way
42:32it became a very important issue for me
42:35Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
42:40is leading an effort to change the way
42:42the military handles the problem of sexual assault
42:46in the armed forces
42:47Gillibrand points to victims who complain
42:50that too often commanders ignore their allegations
42:53Did you see a correlation I guess
42:56I know they're very distinct
42:57two different issues
42:59There's always a correlation
43:01military sexual assault has been covered up
43:03sexual harassment's been covered up
43:05these cases often don't see the light of day
43:08and on the UAP side
43:09it's something the military didn't want
43:11to talk about publicly
43:12they were addressing it from my perspective
43:15in a very paternalistic way
43:17that's not validating that something actually happened to them
43:20I think it's duplicitous and inappropriate
43:25Ryan, you say that you want to get to a point
43:28where people feel comfortable reporting them
43:29do they not?
43:30It's a big risk to go out publicly on this topic
43:33at the end of the day
43:34if you're going to highlight yourself
43:36at least in the military aviation communities
43:38for something like this
43:39there's very little upside for you
43:42In the Navy we deal with problems after the fact
43:45and not before the fact
43:46we fix things after people die
43:49and we write our procedures
43:51and our lessons of blood
43:52and you know
43:54I think there's opportunity
43:55perhaps to avoid that in this scenario
43:57I've heard many reports
43:59that service members
44:00who witnessed unidentified aerial phenomenon
44:03and recorded it on the instruments
44:04that they had available to them
44:06were often disregarded or disbelieved
44:09or retaliated against
44:10for coming forward with information
44:12about these sightings
44:14those individuals are whistleblowers
44:17and they should be heard
44:19One of the biggest moves Congress has taken
44:23is to enact this law that includes
44:26a process for people within the military
44:30within the spy agencies to come forward
44:32to Congress but also to the Pentagon Arrow office
44:36with their testimony
44:39in other words
44:40if you know
44:41they signed a non-disclosure agreement
44:43and were told never talk about this secret program
44:45you sort of get a get out of jail free card
44:47you can come forward
44:48there's supposed to be a process for that
44:50to help Congress unearth
44:53some of these programs that might exist
44:56that you know have not seen the light of day
44:58the UAP task force was refused access to
45:01a broad crash retrieval program
45:04when you say crash retrieval
45:06what do you mean?
45:07these are retrieving
45:09non-human origin technical vehicles
45:12you know call it spacecraft if you will
45:14non-human exotic origin
45:16vehicles that have either landed or crashed
45:19we have spacecraft from another species
45:22we do
45:23yeah
45:26David Grush is undoubtedly the biggest whistleblower
45:29that we've ever had in history
45:30I mean he's the first official whistleblower
45:32that came forward with the legislation
45:34that came out in the NDAA
45:36and he's saying that
45:37I've interviewed all of these people
45:39it was my job to interview all of these people
45:41I was sent out to do it
45:42I had the clearances
45:44these people were telling him
45:45that they had first-hand experience
45:47with craft and with biologics
45:50so right now there are whistleblower cases
45:55happening around this issue
45:57so anybody out there
45:59who may have been involved
46:00in a program related to UAP
46:02you know black programs related to this topic
46:05particularly if they think it may not have been
46:07appropriated by Congress and authorized
46:09they can now come forward
46:11and share that information
46:13in a secure environment
46:15without violating the law
46:17or their obligations
46:18we now have a number of very senior government officials
46:24with very high security clearances
46:26that are coming forward
46:27and basically saying
46:28we believe there are secret programs
46:32buried deep in bureaucracy
46:34that are hiding either UFO crash materials
46:38or you know some other sort of exotic technology
46:43that we don't think is human made
46:45and just the simple fact that that's happening
46:48it's not just people from the fringe
46:50it's not you know people just claiming
46:53that they believe this or that
46:54these are the people that are entrusted
46:56with the nation's secrets
46:57some of them are coming forward and saying
46:59hey there's more to learn here
47:02and we want to help you find out
47:04I think that's remarkable
47:06because I had helped those people from the government
47:12and the aerospace corporation
47:13that showed up in my office
47:15and gave them advice on how to do the kinds of analysis
47:18they wanted to do
47:19they started coming back to me for more
47:22a case in point is the Atacama mummy
47:25which many people know about
47:27I was brought to help study it
47:33because somebody thought it was an alien
47:34in fact I have to be honest
47:35I mean I reached out to them and said
47:37you're claiming it's an alien
47:38I can prove or disprove it
47:40at least looking at its DNA
47:42if it has DNA
47:44I had two other Stanford professors
47:47specialists in genetics
47:49a bunch of graduate students
47:50and I had the world's expert
47:52in pediatric bone disorders
47:54on the paper
47:57that of course went worldwide
47:58and you know what the title was
47:59Stanford professor sequences DNA
48:02of alien baby
48:04it was all over the world
48:09I eventually proved
48:10that it was a human stillbirth
48:12with multiple mutations
48:14and own dysmorphia
48:18my entree to the UFO community
48:20was you know the hated one
48:22you know the guy who disproved
48:24that it was an alien
48:26it's one of those weird ones
48:27but Gary Nolan's a significant character
48:29because the subject has lacked
48:31that scientific connection
48:33so we rely on people like Gary Nolan
48:36to say I've seen the evidence
48:38and this is how I've assessed the evidence
48:40and we need people like Gary
48:42to do that for us
48:44because I'd gotten a Department of Defense award
48:47for doing ovarian cancer
48:49that came about the same time
48:51that I was doing the work
48:52I was accused of being bought off
48:54these kinds of conspiracy things
48:57that you never live down
48:58people still
48:59I still see it in reddit forums
49:01every once in a while
49:02you know science can be done
49:04on these things
49:05because there's a whole bunch of data
49:07on the table
49:08but once you start looking
49:10amongst all the puzzle pieces
49:12interesting stuff starts to show up
49:15I was always driven by curiosity
49:27I was at a boarding school
49:29I was seven years old
49:30and the headmaster of the school
49:33one of his neighbors
49:34had taken a home movie of a UFO
49:36from his backyard
49:38and the headmaster of the school
49:39the headmaster of the school
49:40was so excited about this
49:42he felt we all needed to see this movie
49:45we all saw a three to five minute segment
49:48of a massive golden disc shaped object
49:52and one of the things that was interesting
49:54was clouds look opaque
49:56generally big cumulus clouds
49:57you know white
49:58but when something goes into it
49:59you see it's actually not very dense
50:01it's wispy
50:02this is way before computer generated imagery
50:04this is Kodak reel to reel kind of stuff
50:07so I don't know how that could have been faked
50:10and it went into the cloud
50:11eventually disappeared
50:12and then came out the other side
50:14I was thunderstruck
50:16and a bunch of us went running outside
50:18looking at the night sky that night
50:20see if we could see something
50:22and I started reading every book
50:23I could get my hands on
50:25it gave me a lifelong interest
50:34for years there was virtually no discussion
50:39in mainstream leading news outlets
50:42and yet meanwhile local papers
50:45there were thousands and thousands of reports
50:48from small communities all over the world
50:50where people in their community
50:52had had experiences and seen things
50:54you know the local doctor or the mayor
50:56so there was a huge disconnect
50:58between the national media and the regional media
51:01and why is there such a paradox?
51:03in 1950
51:08I believe it was May of 1950
51:10Enrico Fermi was a nuclear physicist
51:13one of the fathers of the atom bomb
51:15he was one of the seminal physicists involved
51:19in advancing research
51:21and our understanding of quantum mechanics
51:23and subatomic particles and so forth
51:25he continued to visit Los Alamos
51:27after the atom bomb was developed
51:29during the summers
51:31he was in the cafeteria lunching with some other scientists
51:34and the issue of alien life came up
51:36and he made this wise crack
51:38well where is everybody?
51:39and everybody had a good chuckle about that
51:41but that has become known as Fermi's paradox
51:43if there's life in the universe
51:44and life else in our galaxy
51:46how come we don't see any evidence?
51:48we don't detect any radio signals
51:50etc
51:51the ironic thing is that even as he was saying that
51:55the director of security at Los Alamos
51:57had his hair on fire because there were so many UFO sightings
52:00right around Los Alamos
52:01at the very same time he say that
52:03I mean everybody around Los Alamos
52:06the security people, pilots, scientists
52:10everybody was seeing these things
52:12just a few months before
52:14there was an overflight of about a hundred UAP
52:18over town of Farmington, New Mexico
52:20you know, front page news across the states
52:23and so it's this huge disconnect
52:25when people in the scientific community say
52:27how come there's no evidence
52:28and meanwhile there's these things that
52:30could be alien probes that are
52:32swarming all around the very facility
52:34where they're saying this
52:42oh my god, what is that?
52:44quick, quick, are you recording that right now?
52:45yeah, I'm recording, I'm recording
52:47what the fuck is that?
52:52the cabin was our place
52:54and our little country place
52:56and we certainly didn't expect
52:57anything peculiar to happen there
53:00but after that night
53:02I became scared
53:04I bought a shotgun
53:06I bought a pistol
53:07I was really strung out
53:09I hurt
53:10I had been assaulted
53:12and that was obvious to me
53:13I mean I had a mark on the side of my head
53:16I had been rectally injured
53:20I was obviously the victim of an assault of some sort
53:23but when?
53:24who?
53:25I had a gun
53:27and I was really scared
53:28so you'd be better
53:29to leave that
53:30I'm gonna have to have to wait
53:31to see what's going on
53:32for a next day
53:33you don't have to wait
53:35you think St. Patrick?
53:37and you didn't have to wait
53:38to come up with me
53:39to see you
53:41what's going on?
53:42and you know
53:43how much
53:44you've been working for
53:45here
53:46and you know
53:47what's going on?
54:43
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