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The film explore the British Royal family's interest in UFOs and the paranormal from the days of Lord Louis Mountbatten, Prince Philip and now King Charles. It also explores the claims that Charles flew a UFO back in 1975 in Canada
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00:00Hello, my name is Howard Hughes, and you're watching The King of UFOs.
00:22We hope you enjoy this royal rollercoaster ride of paranormal and extraterrestrial delights.
00:27And hopefully, by the end of it, we'll both have learned something.
00:32I mean, it'll be the speculation that UFOs, let's say, landed in Buckingham Palace and
00:36all the rest of it.
00:37He would have to be an ambassador.
00:40It would change our whole perspective on life, wouldn't it?
00:42I'd like to think that the King would be the man to meet them, because he is head of our
00:47state.
00:48So just to recap, so Charles is one of three pilots, and you said it had a glass dome,
00:52is that right?
00:53Yeah, what I saw, like what I saw when it was flying, it looked like a regular helicopter
00:59when I looked at it during the day.
01:01But then when I saw it at night, it was odd.
01:04It was, there were dome-like projections around each of the pilots.
01:09The British royal family has always managed to capture the public's curiosity.
01:14While their lives and duties are often shrouded in secrecy, an intriguing aspect emerges.
01:20Their interest in UFOs and the paranormal.
01:24Join us now on this riveting journey as we explore the British royal family's unique fascination
01:29with the unknown.
01:57Okay.
01:58Welcome, Richard.
01:59Thank you for joining us.
02:00My pleasure.
02:01I'm just really interested to get your thoughts on the British royal family and the history
02:05of the paranormal.
02:07Have the royal family showed an interest?
02:09Oh, gosh, yeah.
02:10Well, you see, the thing is that, obviously, most of their, all of their properties, I would
02:15say, are old, ancient.
02:18I mean, to quote Longfellow, all houses where men have lived and died are haunted houses.
02:24So they've got buildings that have got history beyond anything.
02:28All of their properties, well, have got ghosts in them.
02:33It's as simple as that.
02:34And they know it.
02:36And yeah, they're into it, I mean, because they've witnessed it.
02:39They've seen things, heard things, sensed things.
02:42The late Queen, of course, I mean, she saw her namesake, Queen Elizabeth, in the Library
02:48of Windsor Castle.
02:50He, he's seen the same ghost, Queen Elizabeth.
02:56His grandfather, George VI, saw Queen Elizabeth I eight times in the Library before the start
03:06of the Second World War.
03:07They live with their ghosts, because people do.
03:10You see, most people aren't frightened of ghosts when they're in their houses, because
03:15they just accept them.
03:17There's a rich history, because British history, you know, it's ancient, I guess.
03:23And the royal family goes back hundreds of years.
03:26And there's a lot of legends and ghosts in these places like Windsor Castle, Sandringham,
03:34Balmoral, as sightings of everyone from Henry VIII, King Charles I, King Charles II, Anne
03:42Boleyn, Queen Elizabeth I at Hatfield House.
03:46They've got so many royal ghosts, and it's, you know, it's part of the British mythology,
03:53the culture.
03:54You know, it's part of what makes us British, I think, folklore.
03:59Well, it's mainly the Victorian times when the paranormal became prevalent in the form of
04:04seances and spiritualism.
04:07There was a lot of kind of spiritualist leaders, gurus around at the time that were, you know,
04:14promoting this talking with the afterlife, basically, making contact with deceased relatives, etc.
04:21Which is what Queen Victoria was doing when she was interested in seances.
04:27She wanted to contact her recently departed husband Prince Albert.
04:31And so there was this big fashion, I guess, at the time, for all things paranormal, spiritual.
04:37We had the likes of famous authors like Conan Doyle, who wrote Sherlock Holmes books.
04:44He was promoting it as well.
04:46You know, he was taking it from a scientific point of view that there was something there.
04:50You know, historically, the royal family have been generally quite interested in the paranormal.
04:57You know, going back to Queen Victoria and having seances.
05:01But for it to be kind of public knowledge that a member of the royal family did that.
05:13I just wanted to get your thoughts on the British royal family's interest in the paranormal.
05:19Well, I think it goes back many years.
05:24I'm going to go back to the 1950s, because I know a little bit about that few contacts I made a couple of years ago through Psychic News magazine.
05:33In the 1950s, there was a famous trance medium called Lillian Bailey.
05:38And she visited Lionel Logue, who was King George VI's speech therapist.
05:44And she received messages, which were then passed on to the then king.
05:48After George's death, Lillian received a request to give a private seance at a house in Kensington, which I think was in 1953, as far as I can remember.
05:58She was blindfolded and taken by a limousine to this residence.
06:02And as usual, she went into the trance and allowed her spirit guide to come through.
06:08It was a guy called Bill Watton.
06:09At the end of the seance, the blindfold was obviously taken off.
06:13And she found, to her surprise, that sitting there was the Queen Mother, the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Margaret, Princess Alexandra and the Duke of Kent, all sitting in the seance circle.
06:25But I do know there's a long association with various royal families and spiritualism and the paranormal.
06:29That's a long running strand for most of the royal family, even to this day with Prince Charles.
06:35But I think a lot of it's kept very secret.
06:37And what about William, the next generation?
06:41He's had his own kind of paranormal experiences in his house in Sandringham.
06:48We know his mother was interested in the paranormal.
06:52And interestingly, so the house that he's in, in Sandringham, is supposed to be haunted by a Catholic priest.
07:01And his comment about it was, you know, I'm not bothered.
07:07As we enter the modern era, the British royal family's interest in UFOs and the paranormal continues to captivate conspiracy theorists and people who are fascinated by the unknown.
07:19Prince Albert was probably the first member of the royal family as Queen Victoria's consort and husband that had a UFO experience before there were UFOs as in modern folklore.
07:33I think it was 1875 or 1876, he wrote an entry in his journal saying that he saw strange, dazzling lights in the sky like orbs flying past and he couldn't describe them.
07:47We would probably describe it now in modern terms as a UFO.
07:51At the time, you know, that word didn't exist.
07:53So we're just kind of putting a modern interpretation on it now.
07:56It was unexplained. It was powerful enough for him to make an entry in his journal.
08:02So there's definitely something to it there.
08:04So that was the basis of, you know, modern royal ufology, I guess.
08:09And that kind of led on to the next person, which was Lord Mountbatten, who was uncle to Prince Philip.
08:19And Mountbatten had this passion for UFOs.
08:24And his biographer, Philip Ziegler, mentions that they had this fantastic passion.
08:32He thought that UFOs were from Jupiter or Venus.
08:36And he elaborated on the fact that he thought they were living, living craft.
08:41They thought there was definitely a non-physical element to these UFOs, which is, you know, this is back in the 1940s, 50s, which is quite radical at the time.
08:51But now we've got recent whistleblowers in the US Navy.
08:56David Grouch has come forward and he said there's this non-physical paranormal element to UFOs.
09:03So there is definitely something there.
09:09The royal family has been interested in UFOs for decades.
09:14But this was always a matter of extreme sensitivity, because in some ways it was counter to the government's public position on this, or if not directly counter to it, certainly difficult to gel with it.
09:32And what I mean by that is that the Ministry of Defence, which is the lead department for UAP in the UK government, their public line was always that UFOs were of no defence significance or limited defence significance.
09:51So to have a situation where the royal family were almost arguably denying that line by taking it seriously was awkward, to say the least.
10:03Prince Philip was very much at the forefront of royal interest in this, though arguably he was introduced to the subject by Earl Mountbatten, his uncle.
10:15This is a fabulous resource, the Great British UFO Learning Centre.
10:20Invaluable documents going way back to the 50s.
10:25And I see there's lots of pictures of Prince Philip, Lord Mountbatten.
10:32So there seems to be a real interest from the royal family in UFOs.
10:38Does that start with Lord Louis Mountbatten, you think?
10:43Well, it did for me, because I met Lord Louis Mountbatten back in the 70s.
10:48My ex-father-in-law, Chief Petty Officer Ted West, was aboard HMS Kelly, which was actually sunk in 1941, and his skipper was Lord Louis Mountbatten.
11:01For many years they had a reunion, and I do know that my ex-father-in-law went there.
11:06So, you know, I'm proud of my association with Ted and HMS Kelly.
11:13You're obviously aware that there was the incident at Lord Louis Mountbatten's house when somebody called Briggs witnessed a UFO there.
11:24At Mountbatten, of course, famously in the 50s, had actually had a report of a UFO landing at his estate, Broadlands.
11:36And he had personally investigated this and was impressed by the credibility of the witness, who was one of his own employees, of course.
11:47So he was someone known to Mountbatten.
11:52So Mountbatten had this passion, but then he also was lucky enough to have a UFO land on his estate in Hampshire.
12:13And I'd say Mountbatten wasn't present at this landing, but his bricklayer and labourer, Fred Briggs, witnessed this UFO land at Broadlands.
12:27A ladder, a long ladder came down and an occupant came out and knocked Fred Briggs off his bike apparently.
12:34And this is only recently released when Mountbatten archives, we had access to them and we found this report in there.
12:44And actually Mountbatten had written a testimony about it swearing to the honesty and credibility of Fred Briggs.
12:51He says, I have no doubt, no reason to disbelieve if what he said was true.
12:57So that's a fascinating encounter by a member of the royal family.
13:02And Mountbatten, you have to realise, was a big influence on Prince Philip.
13:07And through Mountbatten's interest, yes, the Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, became involved.
13:14And this was, of course, particularly awkward, because as the spouse of the reigning monarch at the time, and somebody who was perhaps unfairly, but, you know, however you view this, was at the centre of a number of so-called gaffes.
13:36And this was a potential scandal.
13:40But he handled his interest, I think, very carefully and intelligently.
13:47He was always careful to put a little bit of clear blue water between this subject and him.
13:55So, for example, when he looked into this, he did so using one of his royal equerries as an intermediary.
14:04And that was Sir Peter Horsley.
14:06Even this equerry had a meeting with, in a Chelsea flat, with some person or entity called Janus.
14:16OK.
14:17And this Janus said, you know, basically said he was an extraterrestrial here to save us.
14:24We were basically destroying the earth.
14:26And he wanted to speak to Prince Philip, arrange a meeting, so that, you know, they could discuss these issues.
14:33The thing is, what we think now is possibly Janus might not have been an extraterrestrial, might have just been a Russian spy.
14:40So, the meeting never happened. It could have happened. It's a very, very strange encounter.
14:45And it's, you know, it's all documented in Sir Peter Horsley's autobiography.
14:50And so, when the Duke of Edinburgh said, for example,
14:55Oh, I want to hear about this George Adamski character.
15:00He was advised by his royal equerry, you know, look, don't meet him personally.
15:07This will leak. And it will cause quite a scandal.
15:12So, do it through the intermediary.
15:16And that's what happened.
15:18And Sir Peter Horsley went out and interviewed UFO witnesses and whizzed them,
15:24often with questions which had been put directly by Prince Philip.
15:30But he had a large collection of UFO books.
15:34He subscribed to Flying Saucer Review and a number of other publications.
15:41All this, again, was done very carefully so that you didn't take out a subscription and say,
15:46please, please send to Buckingham Palace.
15:49So, a series of cutouts were used.
15:53Not dissimilar to the way in which, when I was on the UFO program,
15:58we subscribed to various UFO magazines and we used a post office box.
16:03Prince Philip had this passion, had this knowledge.
16:06Maybe it was a bit politically embarrassing, which is why it kind of kept it a little bit secret.
16:12And you have to realize Prince Philip's archives are not going to be open now for another 90 years.
16:19You know, so we're not going to know really the truth about, you know, what he actually believed.
16:25And I'd be interested to know, of course, what's happened to his collection.
16:29And what we don't know, perhaps one of the big unanswered questions, is to what extent King Charles III has inherited any of the documents, the files, the books, the magazines, and most of all, perhaps the interest.
16:48Flipping the thing on its head about the royal family, it might not be that their interest in the paranormal is based on just a normal interest.
16:59Maybe it's based on knowledge.
17:02So, their interest is based on factual knowledge that they've been able to get access to that we don't.
17:08Maybe they're interested because it's, it's, they know more about it and they want to find out more.
17:15They know the truth.
17:17We seem to have this, this stream coming down from the royals, from Lord Mountbatten, then to Prince Philip.
17:24Do you think this has now been passed on to, to King Charles, this interest?
17:29Well, I would imagine so.
17:31You yourself have just looked on the computer there, a newspaper cutting, I think, was that about 74 or something?
17:38But the newspaper printed an article about a meeting at the palace to discuss all manner of things.
17:48Uri Geller went there, I think, according to that.
17:51Why not?
17:53We know that Prince Charles is, you know, so interested to the fact that he's attended, like, UFO conferences, you know, 2008, 2009.
18:03He even spoke at a UFO conference in 2009.
18:07I suppose the problem is if you can look at UFOs, you can look at the paranormal, and you can adopt a jocular attitude towards them, as indeed quite a lot of UFO enthusiasts have done over the years, that's fine.
18:22But when you tip over the border, or you tip over the line, and you think, by God, these things are dangerous, these things we know very little about.
18:32You know, we're all interested in UFOs, but to go and speak, especially as someone so high profile, you've got a lot to lose, haven't you?
18:45You're going to make yourself potentially look a bit kind of idiotic or, or, yeah, so why would you do that unless you were convinced that there was something happening?
18:59Yeah, there's this fascinating story that Prince Charles flew a prototype UFO in Canada in 1976.
19:06And I have to say, it probably wasn't extraterrestrial, it was based on an Avrocar, so it was a saucer-shaped craft with dual rotor blades.
19:16But the funny thing is, it had some strange magnetic propulsion system, which was unknown, still is unknown.
19:25But it was observed by Dan Costello, which gives the description that it emitted a blue ionic flame,
19:32and it was controlled magnetically by a larger craft behind it.
19:37So it's all very bizarre.
19:39But it just points to the fact that, you know, maybe UFOs are not necessarily extraterrestrial.
19:44Maybe it is some exotic, as yet unknown technology that either the US government's developing or Chinese, Russians, who knows?
19:55But it could be something more earthly, but something that's not been released to the public.
20:00So I think that's an interesting angle.
20:03Next, our story definitely goes all the way to 11 on the weird scale.
20:23It involves Prince Charles allegedly flying a prototype UFO in Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1975.
20:34Canadian diver Dan Costello claims to have worked with Prince Charles on a top-secret project called Serpico at a location known as Sandy Point.
20:43Yours is a fascinating story. Could you just give us some background on Sandy Point, Nova Scotia, and what you were doing there, really?
20:52Sandy Point's a very small village now. But during World War I, World War II, these were some of the largest industrial naval yards that we had on the east coast of Canada.
21:06The royals had a lot of interest there. Through the 20s, they were fabricating these depots around and about in unofficial ways.
21:15Churchill had been one of the first sea lords to involve himself in this, as well as Prince Louis of Battenburg.
21:21So this is the previous generation of the Batten's that I knew.
21:24Right.
21:25In my front yard, I met Max von Batten, who was King Charles' first cousin, and Max von Batten's wife.
21:31Some of the projects that Lord Louis of Montbatten had overseen as black ops when he first took over the Royal Marines and Commandos in 1941.
21:40There were sites there that were still under the auspices of Montbatten. He was still coming and going until 1979.
21:46I knew him fairly well. I knew them all on a first-name basis.
21:49My parents weren't allowed to know what I was doing with this project.
21:53The neighbour was a sapper who had worked on Illustrious with Montbatten back in World War II.
21:59He was overseeing my role and sort of intervening between my parents' authority and the Royal's desire for these projects to go ahead.
22:07Because there was a couple of the hatches that needed to be penetrated that were too small for anybody else's hands.
22:15And they had a bunch of the Germans, they had child divers among them as well.
22:19Let's just recap. You were being recruited by the British Navy, was it?
22:26Well, just a combination of the group.
22:29When I was sitting down, it was Royal Navy, their engineers in the room.
22:34They're the ones that are training me.
22:36And then who else is in the room is Max von Batten.
22:39Then who else is in the room is Prince Philip.
22:42And who else is in the room? King Olaf of Norway, as well as Prince Harold, who's now the King of Norway.
22:48And so on. Half a dozen other Royals were sitting there around me as they're devising this contract that I'm signing with my thumb.
22:55So they wanted to recruit you as a child diver to help them on what were you doing?
23:00What they described this to be as Royal Salvage.
23:03And what it was, was treasures and armaments that had been stocked up from the seven years in Napoleonic times all the way up to what was left over after World War II.
23:13A lot of the projects did have a security dimension to it.
23:17The risk was real related to the sharks and also related to the electrical turbine risk.
23:23So part of it was me helping save the lives of my family and my community and the Royals, but also a part of it was the reward base that they were dangling a carrot in front of me at all times.
23:35And let's just forward on to Prince Charles's involvement in this area.
23:40What happened there?
23:42Well, I mean, Prince Charles, he was pretty personable when I first knew him.
23:46I knew like I met him and Princess Anne just down the same street of my where I was living because they were putting together.
23:53It was an antique steam turbine that had been built on the site by Howden Humes and I think it was a Howden Soeli turbine.
24:02So I guess you mentioned in an email that you had some information regarding Prince Charles and a prototype UFO.
24:12Can you just explain to us?
24:14The structurals that I was seeing regarding the prototype helicopter, whatever it was, UAP, like I say, it might have had sort of a Flettner like tail or a bit of a come on kind of pinch along one end to show where the end of it was.
24:29I don't remember seeing like a tail rotor at all.
24:33It looked like a helicopter when looking up at it, but it was it was silent.
24:37There was no sound coming out of the thing.
24:39And I'd seen Charles come and go there with with like commercial rotary craft, regular helicopters.
24:44So like I already knew helicopters make a specific sound.
24:48I just thought that was quite odd. That was kind of scary to me. I ran away.
24:51I didn't know that that was the actual craft. They headed out and around that sunset that afternoon.
24:57And you say Charles is one of three pilots. Is that right?
25:01Yeah, they were short of engineers.
25:03And I think Charles and his engineering crew had been back and forth for some missions to those sections already.
25:10They knew the circumstances and events, the risks, and they had the training and they were familiar with the craft.
25:17What I saw when it was flying, it looked like a regular helicopter when I looked at it during the day.
25:22But then when I saw it at night, it was odd.
25:25It was there were dome like projections around each of the pilots.
25:30And as I had recalled, there was an armored body suit that may have been an anti-electrical protection device for the for the pilots.
25:41And I helped test this as a diver. And I didn't know that's what I was doing.
25:45I thought I was testing it for my own safety. We needed it. But they also needed this.
25:51You said it was silent. And you said there's some sort of strange electric electromagnetic.
25:59Yeah. I didn't notice this when I saw it during the day, but when I saw it coming up and around the house, I didn't distinguish that it had this until that night.
26:08And I'm looking at it and there's like there was a hole in the bottom of the structure of the craft.
26:13There was something projecting out of there that was blue and it was turning the surfaces where it was interacting with the surface along that section into molten blue elements of the soil.
26:25Like it looked like it was turning things into glass and liquefying things sort of in my in my view.
26:31It was sort of shocking. Obviously, the sound that was coming from that was sort of like a crackling, humming, crackling, roaring.
26:39And then it would gust its way around the clearing.
26:43And it was clearing the path for the larger flight craft that was coming behind it.
26:46I didn't realize that there was that's what they were doing at the time.
26:49Sure.
26:50It was turning the fabric of the forest along the semaphore line into dust.
26:55Wow.
26:56Wow.
26:57And without flame, turning the branches of the trees into black carbon falling into the surface.
27:04I never saw anything like it before or since.
27:07And then the next day, there were a bunch of bulldozers that came down to cover it all up.
27:14Do you think the technology US pilots are seeing now in the skies could be linked to what Charles was flying?
27:21Well, this is what I believe, because I never saw anything like that before or since.
27:27It didn't make sense to me looking at it.
27:29It didn't make sense that it was flying because there were periods where the dual rotors were stopping mid flight and the thing is hanging in the air.
27:38Wow.
27:39And then the blue flame is coming out at that time.
27:41There was a ferocious fire that took place under the road beds directly up towards my house that night that fried out a bunch of probably, I'm assuming 1920s inter-power cables that had been attaching some of these turbines, probably from the 1900s.
27:57Okay.
27:58So just going back to this craft with the ground effects, what was it?
28:03What was powering it?
28:04I'm assuming that it's something pretty radically similar to a Tesla turbine.
28:09So basically, you're saying the sanity point where you were, where you worked as a child diver, this has been some sort of secret location that the British Navy government used.
28:21You were saying that Churchill was going to use it as a fallback if Hitler was successful.
28:27This, I mean, I just want to say this story sounds incredible.
28:32What proof do you have?
28:35I mean, if you, if you come under Sandy Point Road at Venres, you'll find some of the concrete caissons would still be there or the road bed wouldn't be there.
28:44These sections were designed, some of them, the size of aircraft carrier cargo holds, and they went along the road beds.
28:52Some of them were rail line fitted, and they fitted, 1980, they shut the rail line out.
28:57But that would also be down there.
28:59Those sections I've checked to some of the locals who still live in the area.
29:03They tell me a lot of those tunnels are still down there.
29:06You know, they could have evolved, you know, a plasma turbine technology that no one else did.
29:12It could have been something from Tesla's day.
29:15Thanks, Dan.
29:17I mean, I guess the last question we've got for you is why should we believe you're a fantastical story?
29:23The royals themselves know it's true.
29:25They were there.
29:26You know, King Charles knows it.
29:28Princess Anne knows it.
29:29Queen Margaret knows it.
29:31King Harold knows it.
29:33King Carl Gustav was there back and forth before he got married.
29:36Yeah, I just happened to be in that particular location by God's will.
29:42He's a work of medicine.
29:43He's a proud supporter.
29:44Henry, his ėėė°, he's a large one.
29:46You can't use the only world to kind of go with the enterprise.
29:47We're not afraid of having their own.
29:48You know, he had an opportunity for a huge one.
29:49You know, he gave his wife as well.
29:50He's a great man.
29:51He's a great man.
29:52He called me when he was in the middle of theenter.
29:53He said he looked at me, he was a perfect man.
29:54He was a perfect man.
29:55He was a perfect man.
29:56He didn't know what he said.
29:57He was a perfect man.
29:58He was a perfect man.
29:59He was a little bit.
30:01He can't have a person, the back of my life.
30:02He always picked up his own way.
30:03He was a perfect man.
30:04He was a perfect man.
30:05We'll now look at the continuing interest of Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II in
30:16UFOs and other paranormal phenomena in the 1980s and 1990s.
30:23We look at their interest in the Rendlesham Forest UFO incident, which has been called
30:27the British Roswell, and also their correspondence with various UFO authors and claims that they
30:33had their own royal UFO and paranormal library.
30:37It's an interesting correlation between Prince Albert's sighting of orbs in the sky and what
30:43happened at Rendlesham Forest in 1980 in Suffolk.
30:48It was at RAF Bentwaters.
30:50It was a joint US RAF base that was housing nuclear weapons at the time.
30:57These strange lights appeared over the Christmas of 1980 and allegedly a craft landed and admitted
31:07some strange messages to the people that observed it.
31:12So it's a fascinating part of British ufology and has been called Britain's Roswell.
31:18It's that big an impact.
31:22And you know, people go there now to Rendlesham and they see strange orbs like Albert's saw
31:28in the sky.
31:29For me, the phenomenon exists because so many sighting reports from people, from members
31:35of the public who, like us, have no idea but felt that their reports, their sightings should
31:44be preserved for posterity, which is what I'm trying to do.
31:49But yeah, I mean, and over the years, of course, in front of you are a number of letters from
31:56Prince Philip then, who was very interested in the UFO subject, who wrote to me thanking
32:04me for the books he had.
32:06So yeah, that's it.
32:07So what books were you sending Prince Philip?
32:10Well, volumes 1 to 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 and probably the Holt book as well.
32:18Both the Queen and Prince Philip held a passionate interest in Rendlesham.
32:23John Hanson, an author, ex-police officer, CID, you know, a very credible person.
32:32He's written books on the Rendlesham Forest incident with Colonel Charles Holt.
32:37Charles Holt was the colonel that was in charge of the base at the time these sightings happened.
32:42And Charles Holt observed these lights and documented it on his dictaphone.
32:49And they've written books about it.
32:50These books were sent to the Queen and Prince Philip, who wrote back to John Hanson saying,
32:56you know, we made George your book, we've added them to our collection.
33:00So they've definitely got an interest in Rendlesham.
33:02Why?
33:03Your correspondence between with Prince Philip and the Queen regarding the Holt perspective,
33:08this was about the Rendlesham UFO incident.
33:11Could you just give us a bit of info about what Rendlesham was?
33:15Rendlesham, it's such, as you've seen yourself, we have vast files on Rendlesham, but to put it simply,
33:27it was a series of UFO sightings, unexplained, that took place in Rendlesham Forest at the end of December 1980,
33:36witnessed by a number of airmen.
33:39I've interviewed nearly all of them over the years, but for me, it's what Colonel Holt saw, who's a personal friend.
33:49And he witnessed these lights appearing over the forest.
33:53We have the famous memo from Colonel Holt, which was released some time after.
34:00I remember speaking to somebody in one of the national newspapers and he said,
34:04the trouble is, John, we can't offer anything serious because it would alarm people.
34:11I think they are open to the paranormal and the fact that UFOs exist.
34:17However, they have to be careful because they are heads of state, heads of the church.
34:23So there's only so much they can state publicly.
34:27I'm sure there's a lot that goes on behind closed doors that we're never going to know.
34:33For instance, Prince Philip's own archives, we're not going to get access to those for another 90 years.
34:40What's in those?
34:41The Lord Hill Norton report in the 70s, where the British government set this report up to look into UFOs and reality,
34:50and Lord Hill Norton basically gave this report to members of the establishment, head of the MOD army, etc., the church, Prince Philip,
35:01and basically stated that UFOs were demonic in origin.
35:05And Lord Hill Norton was increasingly getting involved in this subject.
35:09For example, asking questions in parliament, lobbying defense ministers to do more.
35:16He fell under the influence of a maverick priest called Paul Inglesby, who very much did buy into this idea that UFOs were demonic.
35:28And that was a very unfortunate turn of events because I had briefed Lord Hill Norton.
35:35And just as I was, I guess, engaging and helping to move things forward, and we had Lord Hill Norton as a powerful figure in all of this,
35:47along came Paul Inglesby, inserting his bizarre religious views about demons and UFOs into the conversation.
35:57They warned them for investigating further, don't investigate these things further, they are demonic, not to be touched, stay away.
36:04And that was the message that was sent to Prince Philip.
36:07So has that been handed down to Charles, William? I don't know.
36:14Like the lads here want to ask, and like probably King Charles wants to ask, is what are these things?
36:21Where are they from? Do they have an agenda? Are they in fact intelligent or not, or what?
36:28I just don't know. There's so many different explanations, aren't there?
36:34But nobody can prove them.
36:36Nick Pope talks about an element in the British and US governments of, you know, evangelical Christians who do take a biblical interpretation of UFOs.
37:01And, you know, the Bible, their interpretation of the Bible is like anything that's paranormal is a demon.
37:08And UFOs are seen as demons, you know, Satan's minions, so stay away from them, I guess.
37:15I have to say that's not my view.
37:19I tried to, you know, not to put too fine a point on it, but undo some of that damage and try to ease Ingalls B out of the equation.
37:32But it was quite difficult.
37:34But, yeah, it was a challenge.
37:37Sure, absolutely.
37:38Do you think any of those ideas rubbed off on Prince Philip and then Charles?
37:42I hope not.
37:43I certainly hope not.
37:44But I can't rule it out.
37:46Unfortunately, I've not briefed the King personally on this, so I don't know.
37:52Winston Churchill himself blocked UFO sightings or blocked reports from pilots of things they'd seen, you know, during the Second World War.
38:04And he said that was because he did not want to create a problem for religion that is documented.
38:13Time after time I have spoken to people and they do regard this stuff as demonic.
38:21But, you see, demonic, that raises within you.
38:27You know, you can see the devil jumping up and down and demons.
38:31I think that's probably not what it's all about.
38:35What I can say is that many cases involving UFOs where members of the public have been fairly close to them
38:46or have been influenced by the electromagnetic radiation that's given off the objects will change things,
38:53will cause problems in the house, you know, malfunctions with electrical and mechanical apparatus.
39:03I mean, the Queen sent scientific advisers to, like, UFO sites.
39:08Her and her husband really interested in crop circles, which kind of can link into that UFO phenomena.
39:16But the idea that she's sending people to these sites, again, you wouldn't do that unless either you were deeply interested
39:27or you knew that there was something more to it.
39:32You wouldn't send it on a whim, would you?
39:34You've got lots of records here about crop circles.
39:36And I know the Queen and Prince Philip both expressed an interest in crop circles.
39:41And I've been corresponding with Colin Andrews, whom I think you know.
39:44And Colin Andrews mentions this story where he was with a Japanese film crew in the 80s in Wiltshire.
39:51And the Queen sent a Rolls-Royce out to look at these crop circles being formed.
39:58And Colin was expecting the Queen to get out of the Rolls-Royce. It wasn't. It was a scientific officer.
40:03There must be a link possibly between crop circles and UFOs.
40:07Well, undoubtedly, particularly the early crop circles were just circular, burnt formations in the grass or in the fields.
40:19I think they described them as UFO nests back in the olden days.
40:25You can stand in the middle of a crop circle, which has been recently made, and it's fresh.
40:31There's a feeling comes over you. You can feel the energy.
40:37There are stories. I've spoken to witnesses who've more or less seen these things appear,
40:43then gone over and then ended up with some quite terrifying experiences.
41:01When humans have interacted with so-called aliens, the aliens have always been bringing this message that we need to save you.
41:14The planet's doomed unless you change your ways. There's always been that apocalyptic message.
41:20And maybe the aliens are here to help us. So I guess maybe that's it.
41:25I know Charles cares passionately about the environment and what we're doing to the planet.
41:30So maybe that links in with, you know, possible alien race saving us.
41:37I wonder if there's a secret knowledge that's been handed down by a generation of royals.
41:42So go back to King James I, Francis Bacon, Baron of Verulam.
41:49He was known as, you know, inventor of the scientific method.
41:54Also secret alchemist, member of the Rosicrucians.
41:57The Rosicrucians were supposed to have secret knowledge.
42:00I wondered if any of that's been passed down.
42:04Yeah, I mean, it could well be. It's almost like ingrained in their DNA, isn't it?
42:09And this knowledge. Yeah, especially, you know, like Lord Mountbatten's library of books around UFOs, paranormal.
42:19Maybe there were, you know, other documents that, again, we don't have access to because we're not the perceived elite.
42:28We're not. I don't like to use the word Illuminati, but there may be an Illuminati-esque kind of knowledge hub that we don't have access to, but they would.
42:41We can speculate that the royal family have had access to knowledge that we don't have.
42:48For instance, the Queen is alleged to have requested documents from the Vatican secret archives.
42:54You know, the Vatican headquarters of the Catholic Church has a well-known secret archive where documents go back thousands of years,
43:03possibly, you know, detailing the origins of Christianity and such like.
43:08But also there's this allegations that they're holding the truth about the UFO phenomena.
43:1553 miles of corridors full of secret documents and items, including skulls of extraterrestrials down in the cellars of the Vatican and various other things.
43:35In other words, they are into, although they believe the world to be 6,400 years old, they are into aliens.
43:45They've got an observatory in Arizona. They have an observatory at the Pope's summer palace in Rome.
43:52The Vatican's always had an interest in UFOs. It's got its own cardinal and Monsignor's appointed to deal with first contact with extraterrestrials.
44:01So it's always had an active interest. So maybe that's because they know more.
44:06There is some speculation that they were privy to a UFO landing in Sicily in the Second World War and Mussolini recovered this.
44:17So some say they actually may have a UFO.
44:21And of course, the Vatican, an orange saucer-shaped ship craft has been seen on more than one occasion hovering over the Vatican.
44:35There is even talk that the Pope is an alien. I'm not sure about that one. But they know more. They know far more than we realise about what's going on up there.
44:52So what was the Queen doing? Requesting documents? Was it relating to UFOs? I mean, it's speculation, I guess, but she was requesting access to something.
45:02Which leads me on to the fact that maybe our own royal family have got their own secret archives at Windsor Castle.
45:09You know, there is, you know, millions of documents there going back hundreds of years.
45:14Maybe there's some secret knowledge in there about the paranormal and UFOs.
45:20Well, I believe that's it. She is obviously a believer, as so many of us are.
45:25Because my take on this is, you know, are we really so self-centred and bigoted as to believe that we are the only planet in the universe and beyond, and beyond infinity?
45:35Of course, there's life somewhere else. And again, the royal family, the incredible people, believe it.
45:48Aliens have made contact. What happens next? Contact with an extraterrestrial civilisation has been made. And after that, there is no turning back.
46:00How will the world's leaders react? And what will our own King do to ease his people's worries and fears?
46:08How will it impact the world's religions? And what can the King do as head of the Anglican Church to reassure its followers?
46:16Now is the time for him to be the King of UFOs.
46:19We've made first contact with extraterrestrials. What will King Charles's role be to ease the fears of the population and going forward on a world basis? What can and what will he do?
46:33That's a very interesting and an important question. And I think you've touched on something really fascinating here because one of the things that's emerged in the United States in the current discussions that are being had is how apolitical this is, which is as it should be.
46:54This is not a partisan issue. We actually have in the U.S. Republicans and Democrats alike. And in these divided days, it's quite refreshing to see this being handled on a non-partisan basis.
47:10This question is very interesting because this is exactly where the monarch might serve a very important function in, for example, an address to the nation from the King would, I think, be something that everyone would want to see.
47:29I would imagine there's a security approach to things and all this. And so, of course, the King would never operate independently when we'd like to think that he just sort of shook his hands with the aliens or whatever.
47:44But there would obviously be massive amounts of kind of protocol and information and advisors and all the rest of it, leading to what I would imagine would be some kind of public expression of something.
48:01But there's no way on earth that the King would just stand up and make a speech at that point.
48:07You'd imagine that actually the whole thing would be couched in quite serious discussions and with various political bodies.
48:16So if what you're exploring is ultimately ending up with some kind of public expression of what's happened, I guess that's what you're asking, rather than the, you know, the intricacies of what might have taken place in Buckingham Palace Gardens on that date.
48:32But that's that's another question.
48:34Obviously, there will be statements from political leaders.
48:37But to stress the nonpartisan nature of this and to bring people across the divide, whatever their politics together, an address to the nation from the King is, I think, essential.
48:50And much as we have the Christmas broadcast or, you know, the King's speech, say, to Parliament now, we would have, I think, we would need an address to the nation from King Charles.
49:05And it would be, obviously, it's, it's, there are so many variables in the scenario, it's very difficult to say for sure.
49:13But you would hope that this would be the mechanism by which the establishment would, would send out a message of reassurance to people, a message of hope, a message not to panic.
49:27And any, any instructions and requests that, that the government feels it would be helpful to do.
49:35Now, the government, of course, would probably draft this speech.
49:39But ultimately, I'm sure someone like King Charles would put his own stamp on, on this.
49:45And, and it's a very good way to get a nonpolitical input.
49:50The King would, would presumably make some kind of statement.
49:53I mean, it's, it's fascinating to imagine, would, would there be a live interview with the, with the, with the alien?
49:58I guess the question would be, what, what are they here for?
50:01And what's, what's Charles going to respond to?
50:03You know, would Charles be responding to a national or international crisis?
50:09Is this of, of a security nightmare, you know, as in a war or something along those lines?
50:16Or is he responding to something that's anomalous and we don't know and we're hedging our bets?
50:21Or is he going to be responding to something that has a more positive suggestion?
50:26I just hope they never land.
50:27I really do.
50:28But I'm sure if they did, I'd be, I'd be honoured.
50:32I'd be pleased that the King would, would play a part in this, you know,
50:37because he should do.
50:39Clearly there are religious and theological implications to first contact, however that unfolds.
50:46And absolutely, King Charles's position as head of the Anglican Church would be important,
50:53as would the fact that the King has previously tried to, to speak out about the importance of a multi-faith approach in, in, in the modern UK.
51:04Okay, so, so actually I think his, his role would go wider than just the Anglican Church.
51:11And he would be a number, one of a number of leading figures worldwide whose words on the religious implications would be important and people would listen to.
51:21Not, not just Christians, but right across the range of, of faiths.
51:26And of course, addressing those who don't have any faith and, and they're atheists.
51:31It's, it's important that the King speaks for everyone.
51:34William, I guess, like his mother, possibly has an interest in spirituality, the paranormal.
52:03William, will he take that on board, uh, as his role as future King?
52:09We're not aware of him having any UFO experiences, but, you know, we've talked about him having, having a ghost and his, uh, house in Sandringham.
52:18Um, so, who knows, but whoever is King is going to have, you know, an important role to play, uh, on the world stage, with disclosure being imminent, that we are not alone.
52:32Of course, King Charles, um, there's no doubt he's, he's, he's into ghosts.
52:38I know that for a fact.
52:39I know he's seen the ghost of Queen Elizabeth in the library at Windsor.
52:43Um, Dumfrey's house, the present queen, refused to go to that house while it was being renovated, because she said there was definitely a ghost in that building.
52:54And so, as regards the king, I, I would imagine that if he knows more about aliens, uh, and ghosts, then why he, what I think he should, um, disclose to the nation, um, what he knows.
53:10Because he certainly discloses lots of other things to the nation, um, and I think that's wonderful.
53:15Yes, I think he should.
53:17I hope he will.
53:17Should we have first contacts with extraterrestrials or wherever they may be, what role do you think King Charles would play?
53:27Well, that's the, that's the $24,000 question, isn't it?
53:32Um, I think, I think, I think King Charles is a very open-minded man.
53:36Um, I think he's a very compassionate man, and he's a very sensitive man.
53:41Um, and I think he'll be very open to it, because I believe now he's defender of the faiths, isn't he?
53:47Not the faith.
53:49The faiths.
53:50Um, I suspect he would know anyway, um, to some degree, um, what the true situation is, as does, you know, the Pope and the people that matter around the world, the leaders.
54:01I think it's just a combination of things.
54:03Um, you know, I think, I think from, like, if you're being sort of the church point of view, as head of the Church of England, stuff like this, I think, I think the sort of the Vatican would sort of say, well, we're all God's creatures, regardless.
54:16So, whatever they may look like or appear to us, it doesn't disprove a God.
54:22It disproves just a creative source that has perhaps got many, many different mansions.
54:27And we're just one infinite, minute little bit of it.
54:29For me, UFOs and the paranormal, it's a bit like a Pandora's box.
54:49If you and I could just lift the lid up slowly and look inside, we'd be shocked.
54:57If we took the lid off and looked inside, we'd never be the same again.
55:01And I just think maybe that isn't, that isn't the right way.
55:07I'm betwixt and between.
55:09You want to know the answers.
55:11I want to know the answers.
55:12Would you really regret having to find out the answer?
55:16Because it could change your whole way of life, your whole outlook on life.
55:21Maybe we don't need disclosure.
55:23Disclosure so far have told me very little about, as we said, what these things are, where they come from, what they're doing here.
55:32They've certainly been here.
55:33We know that, and I think you agree with me.
55:35I mean, we are at an apex of weirdness, really.
55:40We've got disclosure in the U.S.
55:44That's pushing forward.
55:46We've got the CERN-Hadron Collider about to explore other dimensions of reality.
55:52Our king has an interest in spirituality.
55:55He sees himself as king of all faiths, which is a great thing.
55:59So maybe he's got to explore what these, you know, where this may end up and help us through some momentous change that may be coming.
56:12There's a, you know, a role, a really, really important role you play as king.
56:17So to embrace that kind of, that paranormal identity, to embrace UFOs, that's kind of bringing it into the public realm.
56:28It's bringing us seriousness.
56:30It's bringing a kind of gravitas to it all.
56:35If you've got, like, the king who, like, is standing by it, these people are going to feel validated, potentially, and more likely to share their stories.
56:46The impact that First Contact would have would be massive on society.
56:50The fact that there's, we are not alone.
56:53There's probably a more intelligent race out there.
56:57How does that affect us, our place in the universe, our place, if you believe in God, with God.
57:04There's important, you know, spiritual aspects of First Contact.
57:08Will the aliens bring their own gods?
57:10Will they bring no god?
57:11And, by virtue, have been far superior than us, just by the fact that they've had to travel the vast distances involved?
57:21Will they impose their beliefs on us in a reverse colonialism?
57:28Possibly.
57:28So, these are massive, profound questions that, you know, we don't know the answers to yet.
57:36He's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
57:54He's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
57:58He's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
58:07He's the king, he's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
58:37He's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
58:46Bob Lazar says he went too far for a truth we cannot know.
58:54So, you take a nap and then your cover's blown with the king of UFOs.
59:04Watch him fly, oh so high.
59:14Watch him fly, tonight.
59:34Watch him fly, he's the king of UFOs.
59:36Watch him fly, they came from heaven to heaven.
59:41Watch him fly, he's the king of UFOs.
59:47Watch him fly, he's the king who said, stroke him, he's the king of UFOs.
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