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00:01:10My name is Richard Dolan.
00:01:11I've been researching the UFO topic now for about 15 years, since the early, mid-1990s.
00:01:19Back in those days, I kind of stumbled into the topic through my work as a graduate student in history.
00:01:26I had been doing Cold War studies, Harry Truman, the Soviet Union, the birth of the CIA, and all of those items.
00:01:33And was in a bookstore, found a UFO conspiracy book, rather well-known book, called Above Top Secret by the author Timothy Good.
00:01:41The subtitle was The Worldwide UFO Cover-Up.
00:01:44And I thought, oh, well, that's interesting. Big, fat book.
00:01:46I remember going through the book and recognizing many of the names that he had indicated in there in a lot of the departments and so on.
00:01:55And I thought, well, that's interesting because I'd read about a lot of this, but not in a UFO context.
00:01:59And I was intrigued. I wanted to know, is there something to this?
00:02:03If so, why had I never read about any of it in an academic context before?
00:02:08And so that was the bug that got in my ear initially.
00:02:11I bought the book and I started doing additional research on the UFO topic and very soon became almost, you could say, obsessed.
00:02:19I really wanted to find out for myself personally, was this something that was important?
00:02:26Not initially, were UFOs even real or were they alien?
00:02:30And I wasn't really at that point yet.
00:02:33I was at a much more conservative point at that time, which was simply, is this a genuine topic worthy of historical study?
00:02:41And I very quickly came to the conclusion that it was.
00:02:45I did that because, you know, my stock in trade has always been trying to understand documents, government documents, military documents.
00:02:52And in the UFO field, there's a good number of very good documents that may not be a single smoking gun by themselves.
00:03:03There's no confirmed document that's like a memo from the president describing aliens.
00:03:08But what I discovered in my attempt to understand this was that there were many documents that were one cut below that, that described, for instance, violations of sensitive airspace by objects that frankly, you know, as described in these documents, should not have existed.
00:03:26Disc-shaped, disc-shaped, stopping on a dime, taking off like a bullet, zigzagging sometimes, memos describing these objects in very serious terms, attempted interceptions being made, radar trackings, and so forth.
00:03:40And I thought, well, that's interesting.
00:03:42No matter what the answer to the UFO mystery is, the fact that these documents exist, and the fact that they get no attention in our mainstream community, academic, journalistic, whatever, that's a discrepancy.
00:03:57And so that's always been the foundation of where I'm coming at in this field, where I'm coming from in this field, I should say.
00:04:03That no matter what else I may research, no matter what else I may think about this, if I'm dealing with someone who's very skeptical, who wants to know what's the big deal, the one thing that I can always come back to is that we've got this substantial discrepancy between what we officially know, what our official truth is as a society, and then what we know is going on in the UFO field regarding the military encounters.
00:04:29So that got me started.
00:04:33That was in the early, mid-1990s.
00:04:37The research that I undertook, all of which started out as a purely personal endeavor, morphed into a 500-page book that I wrote.
00:04:44And that book is called UFOs and the National Security State.
00:04:48And in fact, writing that book, it was completed, the first edition was completed in mid-2000.
00:04:55That was my education in this field.
00:04:57I mean, researching it and writing it, really, by the time I got to the end of that project, got me to the point where I felt that, all right, now I know a few things about this subject.
00:05:08Now, that historical narrative, it's very, very much a straightforward historical analysis of the UFO phenomenon.
00:05:17But even more than that, it's actually a reinterpretation of American history and even of world history with the UFO phenomenon front row center.
00:05:26So it's not just a UFO book.
00:05:29It's really, it's a more ambitious attempt, if I may say.
00:05:32It's an attempt to rewrite our history in a way that makes sense with this phenomenon inserted into it.
00:05:39Now, that history ended in the year 1973.
00:05:42That's when that volume ended.
00:05:44And I, you know, certainly remember when that book came out.
00:05:47I had readers who said, wow, yeah, it's a pretty good book.
00:05:49What about the rest of the story now?
00:05:52And I thought, well, right, so I've got to do that.
00:05:55The problem that I had was, again, needing to get up to speed on all the research.
00:06:00And that's taken a long time.
00:06:02But I've done it.
00:06:04Initially, I was going to write a simply two-volume history of this, so volume one and then volume two.
00:06:10But in fact, I've decided it's going to be a three-volume effort.
00:06:13It really has to be.
00:06:14So this second volume is finished.
00:06:16It will be released within less than 30 days from now.
00:06:20The second volume of UFOs in the National Security State.
00:06:23I've subtitled it the cover-up exposed.
00:06:26And that covers the years 1973 to 1991, the end of the Cold War, in other words.
00:06:31The Collapse of the Soviet Union.
00:06:34This is a slightly longer book than the first one that I wrote.
00:06:38Similar.
00:06:39The approach is not radically different.
00:06:41Again, it's a straightforward historical analysis that really relies on three major strands going into it.
00:06:50So the first strand is essentially kind of a concise compendium of the important UFO stories of that period of time.
00:06:59Whether it's something like the Travis Walton abduction case or the Rendlesham Forest case of 1980 when a UFO landed near an American air base in Britain.
00:07:11Or the introduction of Bob Lazar into the field of ufology or any number of other things.
00:07:18The first strand of this book deals with each of those topics in a complete but concise way.
00:07:25So almost like an encyclopedia.
00:07:27You might think, oh, what does Dolan's book have to say about Lazar?
00:07:30And you could read it.
00:07:30Or Gulf Breeze or whatever.
00:07:31The second strand of the book is what I would call a geopolitical analysis.
00:07:37So it's an attempt to understand the cover-up.
00:07:40Understand who's in charge.
00:07:41How does this whole thing fit together?
00:07:43Who's running the show?
00:07:44Is it the president?
00:07:45Well, if it isn't the president, then who would it be?
00:07:47Along those lines, I try to understand the nature of the military and intelligence community's interest in UFOs.
00:07:56And in this book, not simply of the United States.
00:08:00What I've been fortunate about is that for the 1970s and 80s, what we find is that there's a greater amount of source material available from other nations.
00:08:09And so, whereas you can still really get the most detail from the American side of it still, there's a much greater amount of data now during those years coming from Britain, France, Soviet Union, Australia, China.
00:08:27Information that really was not so much available in the early years of this, the 1940s and 50s.
00:08:33So this second book deals with more of a broad global view.
00:08:39So that's the geopolitics side.
00:08:42And then there's a third strand that goes into this book that I've just written.
00:08:45And that's, let's call it the history of ufology or of UFO research.
00:08:51That is, the attempts of researchers in this field to understand what is going on.
00:08:57Well, that turned out personally to be maybe the most fascinating part of the book for me to do.
00:09:03What we find is that in the early 1970s, researchers were in a certain place with this in terms of what they thought.
00:09:09And by the time they get to 1991, just 18 years later, they were in a very, very different place.
00:09:15And so the story of how you get from here to there is also fascinating.
00:09:20And I don't believe it's ever really been done as a history before.
00:09:24There's been some very good articles about ufology, certainly.
00:09:27But to my knowledge, not a single kind of coherent analysis of how ufology moved along during those years.
00:09:38So that's really it.
00:09:39And those are the three strands that I tried to, as it were, weave together.
00:09:42I'll leave it to readers to decide how successful that attempt was.
00:09:46But this field needs, demands a good history.
00:09:51And there really, in my view, there hadn't been one that was satisfactory,
00:09:56that really handled this topic the way it ought to be.
00:09:59And I tried to give it as comprehensive an effort as I could do.
00:10:03And I'm excited and looking forward to seeing this book in print.
00:10:09And I'm certainly looking forward to seeing how readers respond to it.
00:10:18There are many issues on the topic of ufos that no one's really going to know for sure.
00:10:23But here's something that you can take to the bank.
00:10:26UFOs are real.
00:10:28They're absolutely real.
00:10:29And we know this.
00:10:31We have an overwhelming abundance of data, of documentation,
00:10:38that prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt,
00:10:42that there are objects existing that aren't supposed to exist officially in our world.
00:10:47They're not supposed to exist.
00:10:49Whether they're saucer-shaped, triangles,
00:10:51or who knows what other kinds of permutations they may have.
00:10:56Rectangles.
00:10:57These things that can hover in the sky, silently, take off, often rapidly.
00:11:04These are using principles of aviation or flight that are not in the official books today.
00:11:12But someone has got some answers on this because they're doing something there.
00:11:17So that's something you can take to the bank.
00:11:20UFOs are real.
00:11:22And here's the real question.
00:11:24Are they alien?
00:11:25Now, you know, in my early years of researching this,
00:11:30after I became persuaded that the phenomenon was real,
00:11:35I took it as a given that, well, it had to be alien.
00:11:39It had to be.
00:11:39I mean, because it just, I didn't see the technological breakthroughs
00:11:44during the 1940s and 50s that would have been necessary to get us to that level.
00:11:49Today, I have a little more of a nuanced view of this.
00:11:53I do think that a large number of the true UFOs are not of our civilization.
00:12:01Let's call them alien.
00:12:02But I also believe, I've also come to understand that there's been a great deal of work that was done in the 40s,
00:12:14in Nazi Germany, for instance, and in the United States after the war,
00:12:18that was much more advanced, much more exotic than I had understood at the time.
00:12:23So the question is, are there man-made UFOs?
00:12:26And I think the answer to that is also yes.
00:12:29I think that part of the secret, in fact, is that we're making our own UFOs.
00:12:36Now, that begs another question.
00:12:39If we're making UFOs, well, where the heck are these things?
00:12:42Why are they not officially in any U.S. military arsenal?
00:12:44Why are they not being used in any of the wars that we're currently fighting,
00:12:47where you can assume surely they would come in very handy?
00:12:49It's a fair question.
00:12:51My answer to that, provisional answer, is that they're considered too important to use in mere conventional wars.
00:13:01Their mission, I believe, is to go off-world, to deal with them, whoever they happen to be.
00:13:08A perfect example is if you go back in history, go back to the 1986 bombing of Libya by the United States.
00:13:15The U.S. bombed Libya at that time using F-111 fighter jets.
00:13:23Now, it's interesting because at the time, the United States had operational, a certain number of F-117 stealth fighters,
00:13:33which had been flying since the early 1980s.
00:13:37They would have done a better job.
00:13:38They might have actually killed Muammar Gaddafi, which the F-111s didn't do.
00:13:44Who knows?
00:13:45But they weren't used.
00:13:46So the question is, well, why not use your best fighter weapon for a mission like that?
00:13:51And the answer, in the official military history, is that the F-117, whose existence was still classified at that time,
00:13:59was considered too important to risk its exposure for that mission.
00:14:06Okay, so that gives you an idea of the mindset.
00:14:09You can have a totally operational technology, but you would still withhold it for a whole range of missions,
00:14:18and you might only authorize it for certain missions for which it has been designed.
00:14:25And I believe that this is the case with America's fleet, or somebody's fleet, of, let's call them, flying saucers.
00:14:35Their mission is considered too important for them to risk compromising and giving up their existence for mere wars in Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan.
00:14:46So that's the secret.
00:15:00One thing that I'm often confronted with by people who find out that I'm this UFO guy,
00:15:05and then they think, oh, wow, well, that's interesting, UFOs.
00:15:07I've always wondered about them.
00:15:08What I find in dealing with the general public is that there's a lot of general interest on the topic of UFOs.
00:15:17A lot of people have some interest in it.
00:15:19What I often find, though, is that the interest is kind of light.
00:15:25It's like, gee, UFOs are fun.
00:15:28Let's learn a little bit more about them.
00:15:29It's that kind of thing.
00:15:30And I think about a lot of things relating to UFOs, but fun doesn't really enter into my picture of them.
00:15:38What I would suggest for people to understand is that this is very probably the single most serious issue of our civilization.
00:15:49That is the existence of some other intelligence that is interacting with humanity right now.
00:15:58That's very important.
00:16:00People may think, well, what does that have to do with me?
00:16:01I go through my life.
00:16:02I've got my job.
00:16:03I've got my family.
00:16:04I've got my stuff to do.
00:16:05Even if they're real, even if they're walking around, even if the president is an alien, how does that really affect my life?
00:16:11Well, here's what I would say.
00:16:14Everyone has their own choice to sleep or wake.
00:16:20You can choose to sleepwalk your whole life away if you want.
00:16:24You want to grow up with a certain set of things that you are told are true, what some people might call your little reality box.
00:16:31And if you want to live in that box, and many people do.
00:16:34That's their choice.
00:16:35But it isn't everybody's choice.
00:16:37And so, if you get to the point in your life where you feel that there's something wrong with the way I'm understanding the world,
00:16:46I'm going to suggest that this topic is one key part of the answer.
00:16:53That the UFO reality, and this is what I discovered in my own research.
00:16:56I got into this 15 years ago almost on a lark, thinking, well, that's an interesting topic.
00:17:01I want to know for personal reasons what this is all about.
00:17:04And what I discovered is that once you pry that topic open, it opens up a whole range of other related topics about the nature of this world.
00:17:14For example, I thought, well, if this reality is so big and so profound, where's the mainstream media?
00:17:19Why haven't they covered this?
00:17:21Where's our political system?
00:17:23Where's our academic system?
00:17:24And that led me into a study of all of those institutions and their relationship to what I call the national security state.
00:17:35It led me, in other words, into a complete re-evaluation of my whole society, of this whole civilization.
00:17:42Not everyone cares, but some of us do.
00:17:45And so, if you're someone who does care, I'm going to suggest to you that the UFO topic is very much worth your time to investigate.
00:17:52And so, if you're someone who does care, I'm going to suggest to you that the UFO topic is very much worth your time to think about it.
00:18:01When we ask who's running the cover-up, I have to be the first to say that I don't have the final word on this.
00:18:08All I can do is think about it and try to do the best kind of speculation and intelligent guesswork as I can.
00:18:16So, here's what I would say, forget UFOs for a moment and let's just look at the broad world of geopolitics and let's look at the office of the U.S. president.
00:18:27And we ask ourselves, how much decision-making power does an American president have?
00:18:31For example, if you want to study the administration of, say, Ronald Reagan, okay, he covers eight important years in the history of this new book of mine.
00:18:41What we find is that Ronald Reagan did very, very little actual management of the office of the president.
00:18:48Keep in mind, he was elected at the age of 70.
00:18:51There was an assassination attempt on him two months into his office.
00:18:55Well, what historians now are recognizing is that most of Reagan's presidency was managed by George Bush, vice president, CIA director William Casey,
00:19:04a couple of other people who were close up there, like Donald Reagan as chief of staff and a few others.
00:19:09So that, in other words, Ronald Reagan was, no matter what you think of the man personally, okay,
00:19:15it was really a guy who was reading the cue cards and his job was to do what his staff guided him to do.
00:19:28So who's guiding the staff?
00:19:30Who do they work for?
00:19:31Well, what we find is that, as always with American politics, there's money behind the scenes.
00:19:37And the money determines broad geopolitical decisions, whether it's to rig elections in Iran in the 1950s or overthrow that elected government
00:19:49or to have coups in Guatemala or whether it's to invade the nation of Iraq in 1991 during the Gulf War.
00:19:59All of these decisions have their roots in finance and money.
00:20:06And this is what we find.
00:20:08So, for example, are there international groups?
00:20:12Are there the nefarious Bilderberg group that helps to manage things behind the scenes?
00:20:16Well, the answer is absolutely yes, they do.
00:20:19In the study of this book, I did an analysis of the Trilateral Commission,
00:20:26an organization founded by David Rockefeller back in the early 70s.
00:20:29And it's not difficult to see the influence that the Trilateral Commission had on U.S. presidential policy.
00:20:37This is very easy to see.
00:20:38Now, that's separate from UFOs.
00:20:42Within the UFO field, what we find are leaks upon more, leaks upon more, leaks upon more,
00:20:47describing how this problem has become privatized.
00:20:52That is, that fundamental control of policy on this matter has gravitated away from the office of the president.
00:21:00That doesn't mean that the president is irrelevant.
00:21:03It just means the president is a player, one of many, and probably not the most powerful of them.
00:21:13So, we've heard about a group called Majestic, or MJ-12.
00:21:18The question is, are they real?
00:21:19I think the answer to that is, yes, they are real.
00:21:23Is Majestic 12 simply an American organization?
00:21:26I think the answer is no.
00:21:27So, I think what we're dealing with relating to the UFO problem is most likely an international elite group of individuals
00:21:39who have most of the answers on this, answers at least that we don't have.
00:21:46They influence presidential and military policy to the extent that they need to.
00:21:50And I don't think that they're of a mind to want to share much of what they know with the rest of us.
00:21:59And the reason I don't think that they want to do that is because this is a secret that, in fact,
00:22:05has turned out to be very profitable for them.
00:22:08Imagine it this way.
00:22:10Pretend that you've recovered a piece of exotic technology, not made by human hands.
00:22:17And so now you've got this, and you have to decide, well, what do I do with this?
00:22:20Well, if you want to have it studied, you probably will need to send it off to some military contractor
00:22:27whose job it is to make things for the government.
00:22:32They have the R&D, they've got the engineering, all the right people to do this.
00:22:36So it goes off into private industry.
00:22:38Well, who owns the private industry?
00:22:40It's those guys at the top, obviously,
00:22:42who then, over the years, exert near total or absolute total control over that artifact.
00:22:52And this is a goose that lays golden eggs for them.
00:22:55You study this piece of exotic technology long enough, you're going to get some neat ideas, aren't you?
00:23:00One of your genius scientists working for you will say,
00:23:03oh my god, well, I can't duplicate all of the electromagnetic properties of this thing,
00:23:07but we can approximate it, and here's some of the applications that can come out of it.
00:23:12So that, in other words, it's not that we can completely replicate a flying saucer
00:23:16that these aliens may have.
00:23:19But the fact is that seeing examples of their technology
00:23:24very likely would give human scientists in the covert world
00:23:29ideas for their own innovations and money-making opportunities.
00:23:36I think that's how it works.
00:23:37And so, in that kind of a situation,
00:23:39those people who have control over this technology,
00:23:44as I see it, they have no incentive for sharing this.
00:23:48Why would they?
00:23:49There's no reason that they would want to.
00:23:51This is the foundation of a great deal of power and wealth for them.
00:24:05Regarding the issue of the moon,
00:24:08I recall, again, you know, it's funny how when we stay in this field long enough,
00:24:11how far down the path we go.
00:24:15There was a time when I used to just laugh at ideas.
00:24:18Oh, yeah, well, there's a base on the moon.
00:24:19And I'm thinking, how is that even possible?
00:24:22Well, I still don't really know how it's possible.
00:24:24But the only thing that I'll say on that is I've talked to a number of individuals.
00:24:29I'm talking brilliant individuals with real credentials.
00:24:33They're real people.
00:24:34They're not fictitious people who are plugged into the national security community pretty well
00:24:40who have said to me, for what it's worth,
00:24:43that, yes, they are aware of bases on the far side of the moon.
00:24:48Now, one hears this.
00:24:49In this field, believe it or not, one hears this a lot.
00:24:52There's no way I can prove this at this point.
00:24:54Really, all that it is is a bunch of stories.
00:24:56I'm at the point where, although I could never openly say, yes, this is the case,
00:25:05it's one of those things where you have to collect the evidence
00:25:08and then maybe wait for the day when you can confirm or deny it.
00:25:12That's where I think I'm at in relation to the whole moon issue.
00:25:17I mean, one might ask the question, you know, in relation to using UFOs,
00:25:32let's say America has its own secret arsenal of UFOs,
00:25:35and you might say, well, but wouldn't they be handy
00:25:39as some kind of psychological weapon against the enemy?
00:25:44Wouldn't it be useful in stopping the hemorrhaging of money
00:25:49that has essentially bankrupted the United States?
00:25:53The two wars that U.S. is fighting simultaneously,
00:25:55Afghanistan and Iraq, let us face it, there's been no money for these wars.
00:25:59They have been major contributors to not just the American financial problem,
00:26:04but the global financial collapse.
00:26:06They have contributed.
00:26:07So you might think, my God, this UFO technology
00:26:12had better be damned important
00:26:15for it to justify the ruination of an entire national economy.
00:26:22The answer that I have with that is that, yes,
00:26:26those people running this secret,
00:26:30my feeling is that that is exactly what they believe,
00:26:33that that's how important the UFO technology is to them.
00:26:36So, yes, while it would be handy,
00:26:39while it could probably end the war in Iraq,
00:26:43if you had a flying saucer, all right,
00:26:47and it, you know, used it,
00:26:50you could probably disable the whole army.
00:26:52Now, there's another scenario.
00:26:53Could you use that technology and pretend that it's alien,
00:26:58thereby keeping your own control over it secret?
00:27:03I think that that's, I guess that would be possible,
00:27:07but I think of that as a bit problematic, risky, all right,
00:27:11because now you're making it very crystal clear
00:27:14that what, the aliens are on the side of America?
00:27:19Okay.
00:27:21Not everyone's going to buy that,
00:27:22or if they do, boy, that's bad news for a lot of people.
00:27:25So, my feeling would be that even using it
00:27:29as a psychological weapon in that manner
00:27:32is a risky operation,
00:27:34and at a certain point,
00:27:35the cover's going to be blown on it.
00:27:38So, my feeling is that the technology is considered
00:27:40just too vastly important
00:27:43to be used on mere conventional geopolitics,
00:27:49that this is being used
00:27:50in some way to deal with these others,
00:27:55off-world, in Earth orbit,
00:27:56maybe off-planet,
00:27:58maybe the moon?
00:27:59I don't know the answers to all of this.
00:28:01I can only speculate.
00:28:03If you consider that there are anomalies on Mars,
00:28:08which many people do believe,
00:28:12you might think that,
00:28:14well, if I want to investigate those Mars anomalies,
00:28:16I'm going to need a secret space fleet to do it.
00:28:18I can't exactly ask NASA to fund these missions,
00:28:23so you'd have to go deep black,
00:28:25and in that case,
00:28:27you would need a secret space fleet.
00:28:29There are a lot of reasons,
00:28:32as I see it,
00:28:33for wanting to have your own secret fleet
00:28:36of flying saucers,
00:28:37even if they don't help you win conventional wars.
00:28:40When asking about things like one world government,
00:28:55you can look at this issue
00:28:56totally separate from the UFO side of it.
00:28:58In fact, most writers on the New World Order
00:29:01don't really do much with the UFO issue.
00:29:04I don't think it's difficult to see
00:29:05that our entire global structure
00:29:09is moving toward
00:29:10a kind of global political system as well,
00:29:14a one world government,
00:29:15if you want to call it that.
00:29:16Yes, I don't think that's an argument
00:29:18that you can make anymore against.
00:29:21If you look at the long history
00:29:22of this development,
00:29:25go back to the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries,
00:29:27and you see inextricably
00:29:30how the global economy has done this
00:29:32more and more and more.
00:29:34It's interlocked.
00:29:35A corporation can't be bound by national laws.
00:29:40I mean, let's face it,
00:29:41even in the mid-19th century,
00:29:43late 19th century,
00:29:44if you're Andrew Carnegie making steel,
00:29:47so you set up shop in Pennsylvania,
00:29:48but then you've got to get all of your materials
00:29:50from around the world, okay?
00:29:52You can't have big tariffs.
00:29:54That kind of ruins your business.
00:29:56It makes the product expensive and so on.
00:29:58Every corporation functions on that basis.
00:30:02Corporations can't be merely national entities.
00:30:06And so what has happened increasingly
00:30:08over the last 200 years,
00:30:10with increasing speed,
00:30:12is a movement by those people
00:30:14who are basically running the global economy
00:30:18to eliminate vestiges of national sovereignty.
00:30:22Because all that does is it gets in the way
00:30:24of what they're trying to do.
00:30:26Now, you might say that's a good thing.
00:30:27You might say that's a bad thing.
00:30:29Either way, that's what's happening.
00:30:32And those guys,
00:30:33the leaders of finance,
00:30:35the leaders of industry,
00:30:36are the people
00:30:37who choose the political leaders.
00:30:40It's always been that way.
00:30:42And so what we've seen
00:30:43over the last century in particular
00:30:45is a very concerted movement
00:30:47toward, let's call it,
00:30:49a one world government.
00:30:53Or now as former president George Bush Sr. used to call
00:30:57the new world order.
00:30:59Yes.
00:31:00There's no question about this.
00:31:02That is where it's going.
00:31:04Real interesting question now
00:31:05is how does that tie into
00:31:06the UFO cover-up
00:31:08and the UFO reality?
00:31:11Now, there's something
00:31:12to bend your mind around a little bit.
00:31:14If they're moving toward
00:31:17a one world government,
00:31:19which I think that's right,
00:31:20are there those then
00:31:22who are equally cognizant
00:31:24of what's going on
00:31:26with non-human intelligences
00:31:28that are here
00:31:30interacting in some way
00:31:31with this planet?
00:31:33Is there a relationship there?
00:31:34I think the answer is yes.
00:31:36I can't prove
00:31:37that the answer is yes.
00:31:40I only think that it's yes
00:31:41because I see one big truth here
00:31:42and I see another big truth here
00:31:44and I have a very difficult time
00:31:47seeing how they could be
00:31:47completely separate forever.
00:31:49I can't see that.
00:31:51So I think that there's
00:31:53a relationship there.
00:31:55The UFO cover-up is,
00:31:56in other words,
00:31:57a key part of our world today
00:31:59just as the movement
00:32:00toward a one world government
00:32:01is a key part of our world today.
00:32:04I think future research
00:32:06in the nature of the cover-up
00:32:09has to move in that direction.
00:32:12It has to, in other words,
00:32:14understand what this relationship might be.
00:32:19That's really where
00:32:20the true research needs to go.
00:32:21In the book that I've just written,
00:32:24UFOs in the National Security State,
00:32:26Volume 2,
00:32:27I do try to explore
00:32:28some of these issues.
00:32:31But the fact is,
00:32:32what is needed is
00:32:33a great deal,
00:32:35a large number of people
00:32:37pooling their resources
00:32:39and trying to get answers here.
00:32:42This is more than
00:32:42a one-person job.
00:32:44This is a job
00:32:45for a large team of people
00:32:46who are specializing
00:32:48in all different areas of this.
00:32:49And then we can make some progress.
00:32:51I mean, think about
00:32:51the state of UFO research today.
00:32:56Compare it to any field
00:32:58within academia.
00:32:59We've done a great job
00:33:02as UFO researchers
00:33:04considering the fact that
00:33:05we don't get an income
00:33:06for what we do.
00:33:07We don't have any institutional support
00:33:08to speak of.
00:33:09We're just out there
00:33:10on our own doing our thing.
00:33:12Whereas in the academic world,
00:33:14it's very different.
00:33:15You're able to devote yourself full-time.
00:33:17You have a salary.
00:33:18You have grants
00:33:19to do research.
00:33:21That is what's really needed
00:33:23because this problem
00:33:24is so complex.
00:33:25It's so big.
00:33:26It demands the resources
00:33:29necessary for a lot of people
00:33:31to go in.
00:33:33I don't pretend
00:33:33that my word is the final word.
00:33:36I'm trying to provide
00:33:37a good first word
00:33:38so that we can continue
00:33:39this conversation down the road.
00:33:52If we're talking about
00:33:54evidence of aliens,
00:33:55what we have to talk about
00:33:56are claims of aliens.
00:34:00I'm not sure
00:34:01if that counts as evidence, okay?
00:34:04However, let's say one thing
00:34:06about some of these claims.
00:34:07There are many of them.
00:34:09They come from
00:34:09a very wide range of sources.
00:34:12Many of them have
00:34:13a great amount of detail in them.
00:34:17And they're compelling.
00:34:18Not conclusive.
00:34:19They're compelling.
00:34:21So let's leave it at that.
00:34:22We have to be content
00:34:24with a little bit of uncertainty
00:34:25on this issue, I say.
00:34:28So if you take that,
00:34:30then yes,
00:34:31there's a wide number
00:34:33of sources
00:34:34that allege
00:34:36that there is alien interaction
00:34:38with the population of Earth.
00:34:41that there is.
00:34:42Now, you know,
00:34:44I've often speculated
00:34:45that if I were an alien
00:34:46and let's say
00:34:47I didn't look like
00:34:48a normal human,
00:34:49I still might want
00:34:50to interact with humanity
00:34:51for my own purposes
00:34:52and I might
00:34:53genetically
00:34:55engineer my own humans
00:34:57or I might take certain humans
00:34:58and tweak them
00:34:59and make them work for me
00:35:00or, right,
00:35:01implants, who knows?
00:35:03There might be different ways
00:35:04of going about this
00:35:05but the point is
00:35:06that I might want
00:35:07to have such humans
00:35:08working for me
00:35:09and that would mean
00:35:10a certain level
00:35:11of infiltration.
00:35:12It might be benign.
00:35:13It might be malign.
00:35:15It could be anything.
00:35:17So to call it evidence
00:35:18I think is a stretch
00:35:20but to call it
00:35:22a reasonable working hypothesis
00:35:24I think is correct.
00:35:27All right?
00:35:27And if, you know,
00:35:29if I were not a scientist
00:35:31but rather a
00:35:32counterintelligence expert
00:35:34this would have to be
00:35:36one area
00:35:38that I would need
00:35:38to look into.
00:35:39In other words,
00:35:40a counterintelligence guy
00:35:41doesn't have the luxury
00:35:43of a scientist.
00:35:44Scientists can say,
00:35:45well, I need proof.
00:35:47I have to establish
00:35:48my protocols
00:35:49for testing this phenomenon
00:35:50and until I get
00:35:51all the evidence,
00:35:52A, B, C, D
00:35:53and everything lined up
00:35:54then I can't possibly
00:35:55conclude that this is the case.
00:35:57Look, if you're doing
00:35:58counterintelligence
00:35:59and if you're worried
00:36:00about the security
00:36:01of your society
00:36:02you don't really have
00:36:02the luxury to afford that.
00:36:05You have to act
00:36:07and you have to think,
00:36:09well, what is the likelihood
00:36:10of this happening?
00:36:13So it has to be
00:36:13a reasonable hypothesis
00:36:15and I believe that is
00:36:17a hypothesis
00:36:17among those people
00:36:18in the intelligence community.
00:36:27Here's another reason
00:36:31the UFO topic
00:36:32might be of interest
00:36:33to just an ordinary person
00:36:35who's never given us
00:36:36a thread of thought
00:36:37in their life
00:36:38and it's this.
00:36:40What if you've gone
00:36:42through your whole life
00:36:43thinking that your reality
00:36:45consisted of this,
00:36:46this and this,
00:36:47of that ball game,
00:36:48your family,
00:36:49and some of your hobbies
00:36:51and recreations
00:36:52and let's say
00:36:53this is how you
00:36:54see your life.
00:36:56Simple life,
00:36:58simple everything.
00:37:00The reality of the UFO
00:37:02phenomenon
00:37:03could very well
00:37:05transform what you think
00:37:06you even are
00:37:07as a human being
00:37:09because if,
00:37:11let's just say,
00:37:13you have the example
00:37:14of a non-human intelligence
00:37:16that's operating
00:37:17on levels
00:37:18beyond anything
00:37:20you imagined.
00:37:23Intellectually,
00:37:24in terms of consciousness
00:37:25perhaps,
00:37:26what that means
00:37:28is that gives us
00:37:29an example
00:37:30of potentials
00:37:33that we may not
00:37:34have achieved ourselves.
00:37:35What I'm suggesting
00:37:36is that the UFO phenomenon
00:37:38can be a stimulus
00:37:39for an awakening,
00:37:41a discovery
00:37:42of who we actually are
00:37:44and on an optimistic note
00:37:48it might actually
00:37:50spur us
00:37:51into development
00:37:53as a species
00:37:55and as individuals
00:37:56to reach a much higher level
00:37:59of awareness
00:38:00of who we are
00:38:01than we'd ever thought
00:38:02possible before.
00:38:03That could be the upside
00:38:05and I hope
00:38:05that that is
00:38:06the true side
00:38:08of what we're dealing with.
00:38:09There's a dark side
00:38:10to this, I believe,
00:38:11but there's,
00:38:14you know,
00:38:14it's true that every crisis
00:38:15breeds an opportunity
00:38:16and this crisis
00:38:18might bring us
00:38:19an opportunity
00:38:20for an awakening
00:38:21of who we are
00:38:23rather than just,
00:38:25you know,
00:38:26looking down at the ground
00:38:27and our feet
00:38:28in front of us
00:38:29and thinking
00:38:30this is our life
00:38:30but it doesn't have
00:38:31to be like that.
00:38:32So,
00:38:33UFO phenomenon
00:38:34is one
00:38:35very excellent way
00:38:36to enable us
00:38:38to open our eyes
00:38:40and see who we
00:38:40really are
00:38:41and what our potential is.
00:38:42You can lead them
00:38:54through the media,
00:38:55through what you feed them
00:38:56through the media,
00:38:57you can lead them
00:38:57through the academic institutions.
00:38:58If you have key
00:38:59connections
00:39:00through the CIA
00:39:01to Harvard
00:39:01and to Yale
00:39:02and all the other
00:39:02big shots,
00:39:03you can manage
00:39:04the culture.
00:39:05And so people,
00:39:08I mean, look,
00:39:08we are living
00:39:09in 21st century America
00:39:11we have certain beliefs
00:39:12that we hold
00:39:12and had we been raised
00:39:14in 13th century Arabia
00:39:15we'd have different beliefs,
00:39:16wouldn't we?
00:39:17It would mean
00:39:17that we don't have
00:39:17some free will
00:39:18but it does mean
00:39:19that we're very dominated
00:39:20by our culture
00:39:21and so that culture
00:39:23in our case
00:39:24is very much
00:39:25a top-down culture
00:39:26these days.
00:39:27It's determined
00:39:27by corporate leadership,
00:39:29political leadership
00:39:30and they decide
00:39:31largely
00:39:32what goes on
00:39:33to the TV.
00:39:34They decide
00:39:34what gets into your head
00:39:36through mainstream media.
00:39:37So in other words,
00:39:38when you say
00:39:38that people
00:39:39don't care,
00:39:40I would say
00:39:41it's a little more
00:39:42involved than that.
00:39:44People
00:39:44have some free will
00:39:46but they're also
00:39:47easily managed.
00:39:49Just like,
00:39:50you know,
00:39:50I use an analogy
00:39:51in my first volume,
00:39:54it's like people
00:39:54aren't like a car
00:39:55that you drive.
00:39:56Not quite that simple.
00:39:57They're more like a horse
00:39:58that a good rider
00:39:59can manage.
00:40:00If you're a good enough rider,
00:40:02you can manage that horse.
00:40:04It has a will,
00:40:05you've got to be
00:40:06mindful of it
00:40:07but if you know
00:40:08what you're doing,
00:40:08you can manage it.
00:40:09I think that's
00:40:10what the public
00:40:11is like.
00:40:12And these guys,
00:40:13they're expert riders.
00:40:14they're living jaguars.
00:40:19in the evening
00:40:19and they're like
00:40:20they're solid air
00:40:21i tell you
00:40:26in the next狂
00:40:37or so he's like
00:40:37they'll find you
00:40:38and they'll run
00:40:39their own way
00:40:39and they'll find you
00:40:40in the next狂
00:40:41this year.
00:40:41You
00:40:42My name's Nick Pope.
00:41:06I worked for the British government for 21 years based at the Ministry of Defence, the
00:41:12UK equivalent of the DOD in the US.
00:41:16Now from 1991 to 1994 I held a position where my duties included looking at reports of UFOs
00:41:27that were made to the department, investigating them to see whether there was anything of
00:41:32any defence significance, any interest to the department.
00:41:49Pretty much after I took up my post in the UFO project I read into the general history
00:41:56of ufology and of course you can't do that without very quickly coming across Roswell.
00:42:04I guess you'd call it perhaps the granddaddy of all UFO cases, ground zero, the most famous
00:42:10UFO case in the world, however you want to characterise it.
00:42:15It's interesting because in a cultural sense it's just about the only case where you can
00:42:23go way outside the UFO community, you can stop people in the street and chances are they'll
00:42:28have heard of Roswell.
00:42:30I was very interested in the Roswell story because a couple of things struck me straight
00:42:37away about this as being quite significant and they're not necessarily points that you
00:42:41hear brought up that often but they're points with my government background that were readily
00:42:49apparent to me.
00:42:50Now the first one was, wait a minute, this is not anything to do with ufologists because
00:42:58there wasn't any such thing.
00:42:59I think people actually forget that in 1947 there was no such thing as a UFO community.
00:43:06Yes, the media were on the flying saucer story in relation to Kenneth Arnold's sighting,
00:43:13but there was no such thing as ufologists.
00:43:16And in fact of course the phrase UFO had not yet been coined, so it was flying saucers and
00:43:23flying discs.
00:43:25But the critical thing about Roswell, the thing that really impressed me about this, was this
00:43:31was not the media running a story.
00:43:34This was not some researcher or some member of the public.
00:43:38This story came about because the US military had proactively approached the media and said,
00:43:46we have something for you here.
00:43:48So this was the US army saying, we have recovered a flying disc.
00:43:54Now to me that's hugely significant.
00:43:56And what then followed with the retraction of the story and the weather balloon story,
00:44:05something about that didn't quite gel with me.
00:44:08I mean this is the most elite military unit on the face of the planet, arguably.
00:44:13The 509th Bomb Crew, the only atomic bomb capable squadron anywhere in the world, the best of the best.
00:44:19So if ever there's a bunch of people less likely to mistake a weather balloon for something more exotic,
00:44:25that's them.
00:44:28Roswell is important, I think for two reasons.
00:44:32One, it is indisputably the world's most famous UFO case.
00:44:38So it's, as it were, it's an ambassador in itself for the subject.
00:44:45Ufology doesn't stand or fall on Roswell, but Roswell is arguably the flagship.
00:44:52It's the case that people put out to the wider public and say, but look at this.
00:45:00The other reason I think Roswell is important is that, of course, it's like terrorists say,
00:45:07we only have to get lucky once.
00:45:09I mean, there's no real gray area, if you'll excuse the pun here.
00:45:15If an alien spacecraft did crash in Roswell, then that's changed everything, whether or
00:45:22not we know about it in a wider public sense.
00:45:25It's very interesting to look at the whole issue of where we are in relation to evidence
00:45:41and proof on Roswell, and this analogy of if it was taken as a legal case, would it, could
00:45:50it be proven?
00:45:51I think the answer is, we don't know.
00:45:55There is certainly some compelling evidence, and indeed in a strictly legal sense, of course,
00:46:02deathbed testimony, of which we have some, is admissible in court.
00:46:07So yes, I think we have a very interesting combination of eyewitness testimony, deathbed testimony,
00:46:17temporary accounts, the initial report from the U.S. Army themselves.
00:46:23We have recovered a flying disc.
00:46:26On the other hand, I'm not sure whether if you were asking a jury to convict on this that
00:46:35they would.
00:46:36I think it might be a hung jury.
00:46:39I think people might say, well, there's some interesting evidence, but I'm not quite convinced
00:46:45you've taken it to the point of hard proof.
00:46:49Let me qualify that.
00:46:50I suppose it depends on what legal system you're operating on.
00:46:55If you are operating under the legal system where you have to prove something beyond all
00:47:00reasonable doubt, then no, I don't think Roswell is there.
00:47:05If you are applying the on the balance of probability test, I think a jury might be more favourably
00:47:11disposed to say, you know what, yes.
00:47:27In my three years on the British government's UFO project, I investigated hundreds of cases.
00:47:36Things that stood out for me, I guess, were the cold case review that I launched into arguably
00:47:42Britain's most famous UFO case, the Bentwaters Incident from December 1980.
00:47:48That was very interesting.
00:47:50I was still getting inquiries about this from the public, from the media, occasionally questions
00:47:56were even asked in our parliament about this.
00:47:59So I decided to go back to the files to see what we knew, what maybe we'd missed.
00:48:05And it was very, very interesting.
00:48:08A compelling case where a UFO was seen over at least two, maybe three different nights.
00:48:15Witnesses were United States Air Force personnel based in the UK at the twin bases of Bentwaters
00:48:20and Woodbridge.
00:48:21Those witnesses included Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, the deputy base commander.
00:48:27There was physical trace evidence in terms of an assessment of radiation levels taken at
00:48:34the landing site.
00:48:35I mean, this wasn't lights in the sky.
00:48:36This was a metallic craft that actually was seen to land in a clearing in the forest.
00:48:41The MOD's defense intelligence staff assessed those radiation levels as being, and this is
00:48:48a direct quote from an MOD document which is up on their own website, significantly higher
00:48:55than background.
00:48:57Now these radiation levels were about eight times the normal background levels that you
00:49:02would expect for that particular area.
00:49:04There was a radar operator who says that at the time of the incident he took a call from
00:49:09the control tower saying we have something unknown over the base.
00:49:14He testifies that there was an uncorrelated target on the radar screen for a couple of sweeps.
00:49:21Colonel Holt talks about light beams being fired down from the UFO at him and his men and how
00:49:28later on in the night the UFO was firing light beams down at the weapons storage area on the
00:49:35military base.
00:49:36So in terms of hard evidence from credible eyewitnesses and the physical evidence in terms of things
00:49:45like radar and radiation levels, this case is about as good as it gets.
00:49:49Another fascinating case that happened midway in my tour of duty in March 1993 is something
00:50:10that is generally known now as the Cosford incident.
00:50:14It's probably Britain's second best known UFO case behind Bentwaters.
00:50:19This was a wave of sightings that took place over a period of about six hours from about eight
00:50:26in the evening on the 30th of March to about 2.45 the following morning.
00:50:32Many of the witnesses were police officers and two of the locations where the UFO was seen were
00:50:42Air Force bases at Cosford, from which the incident takes its name, and Shawbury, which
00:50:48are about 12 miles apart.
00:50:50A patrol of Air Force police saw the UFO travel directly over the base at Cosford.
00:50:56Then the meteorological officer at Shawbury saw this thing at much closer level, and he's probably
00:51:03the best witness in terms of A being military and B getting a really close look at this thing.
00:51:10He described a vast triangular shaped craft moving slowly towards the base at a speed of maybe
00:51:18only 30 or 40 miles an hour.
00:51:20He said there was a low frequency humming sound coming from this craft, which was quite unpleasant,
00:51:25rather like standing in front of a bass speaker at a concert.
00:51:29He said you could feel the sound as well as hear it.
00:51:32He described this thing firing a pencil-thin beam of light down at the ground, which swept
00:51:39backwards and forwards across the fields, he said, as if this was looking for something.
00:51:44Then he said all of a sudden the beam retracted and this craft just accelerated away to the horizon.
00:51:52In his words to me the following morning when I interviewed him, many times faster than a military jet.
00:51:58And this is a man with eight years experience in the Air Force.
00:52:01What can I say to someone like him?
00:52:04It's a weather balloon? No.
00:52:07We got testimony from the police witnesses to this, the military witnesses, the members of the public.
00:52:14The Met officer in particular, his account was very interesting.
00:52:20And he said to me, look, I've been in the Air Force for eight years.
00:52:24I work at a military base.
00:52:26I see fast jets and helicopters on an almost daily basis.
00:52:31I've never seen anything like this before in my life, both in terms of its speed and its acceleration.
00:52:39Governments can and do keep secrets, so it is quite possible for a UFO cover-up to be instigated and maintained,
00:53:06if that's what the powers that be wanted to do.
00:53:09Let me give two historical examples.
00:53:11The first is the Manhattan Project, where thousands of people were engaged on a highly classified project,
00:53:18which of course was not disclosed until the bomb was actually dropped.
00:53:23Another example, perhaps in a sense an almost better example because of the time that this secret was kept,
00:53:31is the breaking of the German codes during the Second World War,
00:53:36and particularly the Enigma machines and the work done from places like Bletchley Park in the UK.
00:53:42And even after the war was over, this secret was kept for decades.
00:53:48And I think it was only towards the end of the 1960s that actually it was revealed in a book, I think,
00:53:59that yes, actually we'd broken the German codes in the early 40s,
00:54:03and many of the military successes that we'd enjoyed had come about as a result of that.
00:54:09So that's two fairly high-profile examples, and of course without wanting to sound too flippant about it,
00:54:15of course there are all sorts of secrets that government keep from people on all sorts of subjects.
00:54:21I mean, for example, my last job in the Ministry of Defence was in the Directorate of Defence Security,
00:54:27and as you can imagine, particularly post 9-11,
00:54:30there's all sorts of highly classified material going on that people don't have a clue about.
00:54:35So yeah, of course you can keep a secret.
00:54:50I'm undecided about whether there is or isn't a cover-up.
00:54:55I can only really speak with authority about the position in Britain,
00:54:59and to the best of my knowledge there, I don't believe there is a cover-up.
00:55:03I think the government has mishandled the issue.
00:55:06I think investigations have been botched, particularly, for example, the Rendlesham Forest incident.
00:55:15Bentwater is one of our best opportunities to get to the bottom of the UFO mystery,
00:55:20and yet because of embarrassment, jurisdictional issues about whether this was a British or American lead,
00:55:29and just simply the fact that there was nothing in the manual to deal with what do you do if one of these things lands,
00:55:36people ran around in circles and the whole thing was completely mishandled.
00:55:41But I think it's a step too far to say that because the government has mishandled the issue,
00:55:48and because the government is overly defensive about this subject,
00:55:53no one likes to say there might be things in our airspace and we don't know what they are,
00:55:57and they're faster than us.
00:55:59That's not the same as saying we know all about these things and we're keeping the truth from the people.
00:56:05I did that job for three years.
00:56:08I had the combination of high security clearance and need to know,
00:56:12so I'm as certain as I can be that if there was something going on,
00:56:16I would have been involved with it or got a hint about it.
00:56:19There is no smoking gun, spaceship in a hangar in Britain.
00:56:24Now, if there is one in America, I don't know about it.
00:56:28So I'll give you a politician's answer.
00:56:31I can't rule out the question of there being a UFO cover-up in the US or elsewhere,
00:56:39but I'm as confident as I can be that the UK has been pretty straight on this issue,
00:56:43and indeed, of course, is now in the process of releasing its UFO files.
00:56:49In a sense, I don't know what the UFO phenomenon is, but I do know what it isn't,
00:56:56and it isn't all weather balloons and hoaxes and misidentifications of perfectly ordinary phenomena and objects.
00:57:07There is something exotic going on, I believe.
00:57:11Now, whether this turns out to be extraterrestrial,
00:57:15whether it turns out to be some other phenomenon that perhaps we don't even have words for or concepts for yet,
00:57:23whether it turns out to be, and this is an area that the MOD did look at a few years ago,
00:57:28some sort of exotic atmospheric plasma phenomena, for example.
00:57:33Again, we don't know.
00:57:35But, like I say, this is not all just hoaxes and people making a mistake.
00:57:42The Ministry of Defence is the British equivalent of the US Department of Defence,
00:57:59so it serves as a Department of State managing the armed forces,
00:58:06making sure that they're properly trained, equipped, and supported.
00:58:11But the Ministry of Defence is also a military headquarters in its own right,
00:58:17so it's not only where the Secretary of State for Defence sits at the political level,
00:58:23but it's where the Chief of the Defence Staff and the Single Service Chiefs sit
00:58:28and direct military policy and operations.
00:58:33My terms of reference were completely UK-based,
00:58:38so I was authorised to investigate cases that had taken place in the UK's Air Defence region.
00:58:45I had no remit to go beyond my terms of reference.
00:58:49From time to time we liaised.
00:58:52One example would be we spoke to the embassy in Brussels
00:58:59because of the similarity between the Cosford incident in the United Kingdom in 1993
00:59:05and the wave of sightings in Belgium in 1989 and 1990.
00:59:09But, generally speaking, my terms of reference confined me to the UK,
00:59:15so I can't speak with any authority on the situation in Canada
00:59:19or indeed really anywhere outside of Britain.
00:59:34I've seen in the literature, of course, material about moon bases,
00:59:39life elsewhere in the solar system, alien bases, whatever.
00:59:44I'm pretty sceptical about most of that material, to be honest.
00:59:48I don't believe that the entire astronomical and scientific community would be involved in a cover-up of something like this.
00:59:57In fact, I believe quite the opposite.
00:59:59If they found life, I think they'd be shouting it from the rooftops,
01:00:03not least because of what it would do to their funding, which would go up dramatically.
01:00:09Plus the fact that scientists are always competing to come up with scoops.
01:00:15And, of course, someone will win the Nobel Prize off it.
01:00:19So I'm sceptical about moon bases and some of these wilder stories doing the rounds.
01:00:24But, I mean, I have no direct knowledge of those matters.
01:00:27It's not a subject that came up, certainly in my tour of duty on the UFO project.
01:00:33After I left the UFO project in 1994, I remained in the Ministry of Defence.
01:00:39I had a number of other jobs that I did.
01:00:41But I just felt that the UFO phenomenon was far too interesting and important for me to walk away from.
01:00:49I was hooked, as it were.
01:00:51I thought on one level, of course, it speaks to arguably the most profound question we can ask ourselves.
01:01:01Are we alone in the universe?
01:01:02And if we're not, what are the implications of that?
01:01:05So it's interesting.
01:01:07It's also important, not least because some of the sorts of cases that are of most concern to me involve near misses between UFOs and aircraft, both commercial aircraft and military jets.
01:01:23And, indeed, a number of cases, Milton Torres, Parviz Jafari, Comandante Huertas, where pilots have been ordered to open fire on UFOs.
01:01:34So whatever you think the UFO issue represents, whether you believe they're extraterrestrial, whether you believe they're black projects, whether you believe that there are a number of different things going on,
01:01:48it seems to me that there are important defense, national security, and air safety issues involved.
01:01:54And that's another reason why I continue to be involved in this field and to speak very openly about it and to do my best to keep this subject in the public eye, particularly through getting it into the mainstream media.
01:02:10One of the things that I think is of most interest and importance is the, and I don't think they are connected, but I think there's an indirect link because precedents are set.
01:02:34But the ongoing program to release UFO files in a number of different countries, obviously the British government commencing in May 2008 and running on to the present and probably there's another year or two to go.
01:02:52British government is declassifying and releasing its archive of UFO files.
01:02:58The French government released theirs in 2007.
01:03:01There's material that's come out from Canada, from Brazil, from Denmark, from a number of other countries.
01:03:07And I think this is very interesting.
01:03:10I think actually it says good things about freedom of information and open government.
01:03:17Whether governments have done this willingly or whether in some cases they've been dragged kicking and screaming into that decision by a combination of the UFO community and the media and people making pretty smart targeted FOI requests, I don't know.
01:03:33But we are where we are and it's an interesting situation.
01:03:37We know an awful lot more now about air force and government involvement with this subject and some of the cases they've investigated than we knew two or three years ago.
01:03:48And that's a great thing.
01:03:49I'm generally skeptical about the whole Nazi flying saucer issue.
01:04:08I think it's indisputable that yes, of course, the Germans were constantly searching for their so-called wonder weapons.
01:04:18But really, in total war, anything they had, they used operationally.
01:04:24So V1s and V2s and some of their jet aircraft were thrown straight into the fight.
01:04:31If they'd got any disc-shaped craft which would leave us standing, I think they would have used them.
01:04:39Now, I'm not saying these things didn't exist on the drawing board.
01:04:44Certainly, there is very strong evidence.
01:04:47In fact, I don't think it's disputed that they were working on these issues.
01:04:51But I don't think it got much further than the drawing board and perhaps a few small-scale models.
01:04:57In my opinion, they had not got so far certainly as producing any operational flying discs.
01:05:07Whether there were some small-scale prototypes or not, I don't know.
01:05:12I'm pretty skeptical.
01:05:13I mean, the British had an organization called the T-Force, and I'm sure the Americans and others had similar units.
01:05:22These were scientists who traveled right up on the front line, just perhaps a few hundred yards behind.
01:05:30Anything in terms of equipment that was captured was quickly secured and taken back.
01:05:36I've seen nothing in the files that suggests they had any reasonably functional discs that were recovered.
01:05:46So I think drawing boards, small models, I probably doubt they even had a working prototype.
01:05:55I'm absolutely convinced that the universe is probably teeming with life.
01:06:13I'm further convinced because intelligence seems to be a pretty good survival strategy in evolutionary Darwinian terms.
01:06:24I'm convinced that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.
01:06:29As to whether we are being visited by any of this intelligent life, in other words, the $64,000 question,
01:06:36are some UFOs alien spacecraft?
01:06:39Again, I'm going to give that politician's answer.
01:06:42I can't rule it out.
01:06:43Sorry, but that's about as far as I can go on this.
01:06:46Because I do think it's until I get my hands on a bit of hardware or something that's indisputable,
01:06:53I think what we're dealing with is a combination of photographs, videos, testimony,
01:06:59but we're not quite there in terms of absolutely nail it down and take it to the bank proof,
01:07:06at least not in my book.
01:07:08I've researched a number of areas in the field of ufology.
01:07:12Obviously, when I was doing the government job, I was looking at UFO sightings,
01:07:18but also if we received the reports, which we did from time to time,
01:07:22abductions, crop circles, et cetera, anything weird and wonderful.
01:07:27Frankly, there was nowhere else in government to send it.
01:07:30So we ended up as the recipient for all these strange reports.
01:07:36Remote viewing cropped up from time to time, even ghost sightings on military bases,
01:07:41of which there were more than people might imagine.
01:07:44So that was quite interesting.
01:07:46In terms of my primary areas of research, now in a private capacity, I guess the big flagship British cases like Bentwaters,
01:07:59like the Cosford incident, but particularly the whole issue of why I believe, and air safety is a big part of this,
01:08:08why I believe that this is an issue of considerable defense significance.
01:08:13These are the sorts of areas on which I tend to write.
01:08:17But I've also written on, for example, the relationship between ufology and science.
01:08:23I've also written some speculative articles about what would happen if an incident such as Roswell were to occur,
01:08:31not in 1947, but today, because I suspect things in a multimedia society would pan out in a rather different way.
01:08:40So on my website, there's an interesting combination, I guess, of factual reporting and more speculative articles.
01:08:49As for my books, my first one, Open Skies, Closed Minds, is an overview of the UFO phenomenon,
01:08:57with particular reference to my time on the UFO project.
01:09:01My second book, The Uninvited, is an overview of the alien abduction, alien contact phenomenon.
01:09:09After those two non-fiction books, I decided to try my hand at writing science fiction.
01:09:16So I wrote two novels, Operation Thunderchild and Operation Lightning Strike,
01:09:21which took UFOs, abductions, some of the related issues,
01:09:26and combined them with what I knew about war fighting and crisis management in government.
01:09:33And I tried to tell a realistic story of alien invasion using real protocols, procedures and hardware.
01:09:40I think it's clear that people have always seen strange things in the sky.
01:09:59Today's UFOs are the flying saucers of a few decades ago, going back much further, chariots of the gods.
01:10:11Similarly, today's abductees were yesterday's contactees.
01:10:17And then you go back to folklore and the idea of people interacting with the little people.
01:10:23Obviously, researchers such as Jacques Vallée have done a lot of work on that.
01:10:28Graham Hancock has done some interesting work on ancient civilizations,
01:10:33and particularly on parallels between the abduction phenomenon and, for example, the shamanic journey,
01:10:40and the other world or other worlds that the shamans can access through using certain hallucinogenic substances and other rituals such as dance and, indeed, trance.
01:10:56So there are some very interesting things going on.
01:10:59I very much doubt any of this is a modern phenomenon that suddenly mysteriously started in 1947 with Kenneth Arnold and Roswell.
01:11:10I suspect these things have been going on for a long, long time, but we like our labels.
01:11:15We love to label things, and at the moment we've got our labels.
01:11:19Maybe in a few decades' time we'll have new ones.
01:11:22So actually, yes, I think it's very important that we look at the historical perspective here.
01:11:29I know we need a generalist.
01:11:39But, now, not only did we got to look at the historical perspective and dive into apaška
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