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00:00I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God. I can neutralize your evidence.

00:05It's a paradox on its own. If God exists and is eternal, why can't anything else be eternal?

00:10Will you change your mind if we work this issue out?

00:12We can't come to an agreement on this.

00:15You say, can there be a being who has superior intelligence like an alien?

00:18Maybe we're playthings of higher beings or technologies.

00:22The creator of a brick is an architect. The creator of an architect is a creator.

00:26What about his creator? This is the question.

00:28I presented you with dozens of evidence. You can't even disprove one of them.

00:31Yeah, but I don't think you can disprove one of mine either.

00:34Which one?

00:35Now you have disproved.

00:43Are you saying it's okay for us to post this video on YouTube?

00:45It's okay, no problem.

00:46What do you believe in?

00:47I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God.

00:49If I remember correctly, I was a Muslim since I grew up in a Muslim family until the 6th grade.

00:55I had a religion and ethics teacher in the 6th grade.

00:57I got to know him. He was a teacher that I liked.

00:59Our teacher made us read the translation of the Quran in the lessons.

01:02Let's say we have a class on Monday.

01:04He would say, children, read these parts in the evening.

01:07After reading for a while, I realized that what's said and done are two different things.

01:12I mean, the things that people did.

01:14Then I let it go.

01:14I've come to think like this using logic too.

01:16I'll tell you that much.

01:17Does it make sense to hold the book responsible for people's mistakes?

01:20If you think about it, a doctor can deliberately cut people in the operating room,

01:24but no one will criticize the medicine book or hate medicine, right?

01:27Right. You're absolutely right.

01:28But here's the thing.

01:29I thought that there was something wrong with what people were doing.

01:32So I started looking into the views of the opposition.

01:36When I compared the views of the opposition and the things that are happening,

01:39I started to think that the opposition is more correct.

01:42People's actions encouraged me to think against them.

01:44Are you saying you searched the Quran and reviewed the opposing views then?

01:47Yeah, but I have to say, I can't say that I've read the Quran 100% because I have not.

01:53Even if you read the Quran 100%, what you understand from the translation counts as personal remarks.

01:58Why?

01:58If you bring the Quran and give it to 2 billion Muslims, 2 billion different ideas can emerge, right?

02:02Yeah, sure.

02:03You understand something from the translation.

02:05However, if we look at the Holy Quran, it descended over 23 years and some verses descended for specific events.

02:10We need to know those verses.

02:12We need to know about those events, etc.

02:13We need to get to the bottom of those events.

02:15In other words, we actually need to look at tafsir.

02:17Otherwise, what we understand from the Quran does not make any sense, right?

02:20Yeah, right.

02:20Then, what really happened which made you say that there is no God?

02:24Can you give me one piece of evidence that there is no God?

02:26I can neutralize your evidence on God's existence.

02:30For example, God has always existed.

02:32He is eternal.

02:32Let's assume God is eternal.

02:34Then my belief for the universe is that it is eternal too.

02:37The universe is created.

02:38The universe has always been there.

02:40It's a paradox on its own.

02:41If God exists and is eternal, why can't others be eternal?

02:44You're basically saying that this issue is confusing for you.

02:48So, if we work this out, will you change your mind?

02:50Will you turn back?

02:51We can't work this out.

02:53If we do, will you change your mind?

02:55I'm asking you sincerely.

02:56Maybe.

02:56If we work it out using logic.

02:58Then maybe, okay.

02:59We must know the difference between the ruler and the ruled.

03:01For example, when we look at this building, it is made of bricks, right?

03:04The bricks are like the ones being ruled here.

03:06Why?

03:06Because the bricks couldn't have made this building.

03:08There's an architect who is the ruler of them all, right?

03:10Right.

03:10This is the basic logical rule here.

03:12The bricks are ruled.

03:13They can't build a structure themselves.

03:14They can't be ruler and ruled at the same time.

03:17So, there's a ruler other than them.

03:18I mean an architect.

03:19He controlled all of them and built the building.

03:21So, the ruled can't build a structure on their own.

03:24Likewise, both the physical universe and matter were created afterwards.

03:26This is what the Big Bang tells us.

03:28And if we don't look at the Big Bang, when we look at the matter, we see that it is ruled.

03:32Because it has neither willpower nor life.

03:34It neither has knowledge nor any power, right?

03:36Do atoms have any of these?

03:37No.

03:37The atoms don't have any of these.

03:39So, they are ruled just like the bricks.

03:41We said the ruled couldn't have done this by themselves.

03:44A ruler must do it.

03:46Just like atoms are ruled in this universe, there must be a ruler who creates matter from

03:49nothing.

03:50In other words, there must be a ruler who is free of matter that can perform these actions.

03:54Since there is no knowledge, no willpower, no power, no life in the brick, there needs

03:58to be someone who builds this building.

04:00Someone with willpower who uses those bricks.

04:03To be precise, I am saying a creator is needed to create atoms from nothing and constantly

04:08control and build them, just like the architect example.

04:12So, the matter is ruled.

04:13A creator who is a ruler is required.

04:16Let's say there are creatures very different from us.

04:18Maybe they are humanoid or they look like animals.

04:21There's a different kind of life form.

04:23And they have high-end technology, okay?

04:25We can call them creator, master, etc.

04:27And we can believe in them.

04:29You say, could there be a being who has superior intelligence, like an alien?

04:33I'm making it up for argument's sake.

04:35Maybe we're playthings of higher beings or technologies.

04:38We do not argue a case without evidence.

04:41There's got to be at least one piece of evidence so we can reason by using it.

04:45If I said the sun will not rise tomorrow, would you panic right now?

04:48I won't, because I won't believe it.

04:50I know, right?

04:51Why?

04:51Because there's no evidence.

04:52Just like that, when you say, maybe we are created by these kinds of beings.

04:56I mean, anybody can say anything.

04:58Someone might say, I'm a being that lives on a turtle.

05:00We all do.

05:01Is there any evidence?

05:02Someone might say, I'm a being that lives on an ant.

05:04I mean, anybody can say anything.

05:06A case cannot be argued without any evidence.

05:08And what we really understand is this.

05:10As we said before, we need a ruler who will reveal the ruled.

05:13Let's take a look at his attributes.

05:15First, he must have knowledge so that he creates us.

05:17Can he do such a thing without willpower?

05:19He can't.

05:19He can't do it if he doesn't have power or life either.

05:22I mean, whoever he is, he needs to have four attributes.

05:25If you say, couldn't it be aliens?

05:27Now, there has to be someone beyond the physical universe.

05:30He has to be free of matter.

05:31Why is that?

05:32The one who builds a clock is not the same kind.

05:34The one who creates matter cannot be made of matter.

05:37The artist does not look like his art.

05:38Does a man look like his painting?

05:40Similarly, does a carpenter look like a table he built?

05:43There must be a creator free of matter.

05:45You said, could it be an alien?

05:46When you think of an alien, you still feel inside the universe's boundaries.

05:49So someone else must have knowledge, willpower, power, and life.

05:52So this kind of logic doesn't make sense either.

05:54I think the examples you gave are too concrete.

05:57We accept it as an abstract entity no matter how abstract we think of it.

06:01I accept it that way.

06:02You're making an abstract entity to do something concrete.

06:06Reason and logic make us accept it.

06:08For example, do you have willpower?

06:09Did you come here of your own free will?

06:11Yeah.

06:11Can you show me the willpower physically?

06:12No, I can't.

06:13I can know the existence of things clearly that do not have any physical form.

06:17I mean, why would I ignore my intelligence?

06:19Because my intelligence provides me with pieces of evidence as a result of my investigation.

06:23A ruled requires a ruler.

06:25There must be one.

06:26A universe of atoms, a ruled entity, must have a being who rules over them and creates them with his willpower.

06:32Around 350,000 people are born every day.

06:34The ruled atoms are created and combined by the ruler.

06:37I mean, I see it all the time.

06:38My mind always supplies me with new opportunities.

06:40Then why should I limit myself?

06:42When we limit ourselves, we begin to accept.

06:44And once we accept, that is the end of it.

06:47But if you do not accept, there are many possibilities behind it.

06:51The creator of a brick is an architect.

06:52The creator of the architect is a creator.

06:54Well, his creator.

06:55This is the question.

06:57Let's deal with this issue, shall we?

06:58I'm ready to answer whatever you ask, God willing.

07:01Imagine I have a glass of water in my hand.

07:03Does the sea get wet when I pour this water into it?

07:05Or does it get wet when I take the water from the sea and pour it into the water in the glass?

07:09That's an interesting question.

07:11Why exactly?

07:11It can't happen since making something wet is an attribute of water, right?

07:14Water doesn't get wet.

07:15It makes other things wet.

07:16Water makes dry things wet.

07:18If I pour a glass of water on you, your body will get wet.

07:20But when I pour water into another body of water, it doesn't get wet.

07:23Why?

07:24Water is already wet.

07:25It is not affected by the outside, right?

07:27Yeah.

07:27We call this an essential attribute.

07:29Since your body is dry, water can affect it from the outside.

07:32Since the wetness of water is its essential attribute, it can be affected from the outside.

07:36Just like this example, the existence of God is inherent.

07:39The act of creating is also inherent in God.

07:42Now, we said water wets dry things.

07:44Wetness affects things from the outside, but it does not get affected by itself.

07:48The existence of God is inherent.

07:50His creation is inherent.

07:51Now, when I look at the essential and extraneous attributes of water, similar to the water example,

07:56I can see that God is not affected by the outside.

07:58You can think of it this way.

07:59The concepts of time and space started to exist with the creation of the universe.

08:03What is the concept of time?

08:04It's a concept that coexists with the universe, right?

08:07Yeah.

08:07If I made this watch, there are two issues here.

08:09First, I exist before this watch.

08:11Second, I am not subject to the rules of this watch.

08:14There are different rules inside the watch.

08:16Likewise, God has created the universe.

08:18If he created the universe, he must exist before the universe.

08:22He's not subject to the rules of time and space of the universe.

08:25So, there is no concept of time for the creator, for God.

08:28Asking about the God free of time, who created him, is not logical because you subject him to the constraints of time.

08:34For the God who created matter, there is no time and no past.

08:37He is eternal.

08:38He is always there because there is no time concept for him.

08:41If there is no time, there is no beginning.

08:42No beginning, no before.

08:44As technology advances, the knowledge we learn changes all the time.

08:48100 years ago, a man was like, I am a theist.

08:51I believe in God, whatever happens.

08:53If this man received current information, he would say, oh, this is how it happened.

08:58For example, what happened?

08:59I disagree with what you say.

09:01You say as time passes, the information we receive accumulates.

09:04The absence of a creator will be found eventually.

09:06Quite the opposite.

09:07As time goes on, I examine the structure of matter more and more.

09:10As I investigate the matter, I reach the existence of a creator in the same way.

09:14Why?

09:14Because I've examined the matter.

09:15I've looked at the atom.

09:16And I've looked at subatomic particles.

09:18I've looked at the electrons and protons.

09:20I've looked further.

09:21I've even looked at the quarks.

09:22In other words, our research continues up to the tiniest particle or even to the essence of the matter.

09:27But no matter how much I investigate, they have no knowledge, no willpower, no power, and no signs of life.

09:32I can say as I investigate, I see the existence of a being who has these attributes.

09:36Let the technology advance as much as it can.

09:38Let the science progress as much as it can.

09:40These are not pieces of evidence for the absence of a creator.

09:43On the contrary, they start to offer us pieces of evidence on how a creator made the universe.

09:47If we investigate the DNA, we see four bases, right?

09:50Exactly.

09:50Yes, adenine, thymine, guanine, cytosine, right?

09:54Now, I said science.

09:55As the science progresses, it actually leads to God, the creator.

09:58Why?

09:59I found four bases.

10:00Let's have a look inside them.

10:01These bases also consist of four elements.

10:04Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen.

10:06When I consider these elements, I don't see any attribute in these that can form you.

10:09A tree or a peacock egg.

10:11If you say they can, then you must show me too.

10:13Your science is supposed to tell me, like you said, now it's providing results.

10:17On the contrary, no matter how much I investigate, they don't have any abilities or attributes.

10:21I see thousands of evidence every second.

10:23So there must be a ruler who controls the ruled atoms, who has mastery over them.

10:26I don't know.

10:27This is a question unanswered.

10:28It doesn't make sense.

10:29You know, you look at a tree.

10:30You examine it.

10:31But maybe you don't question it enough.

10:33I'm not saying I know anything right now.

10:35I'm just providing you with my guess.

10:36You're asking questions.

10:37That's okay.

10:38You couldn't find anything.

10:39Then there is a God, a creator.

10:40It's not that I couldn't find it.

10:42I found it.

10:42A tree has no knowledge to control itself.

10:44Did we find it?

10:45We found it for now.

10:46No willpower.

10:47Did we find this?

10:48Yeah, for the moment.

10:48It won't change now.

10:49Why?

10:50I said that it is one of the rule.

10:52Wouldn't it make more sense for atoms to do this if atoms have willpower?

10:55Is everything formed by atoms?

10:57Yes.

10:57Are you made up of atoms?

10:58Yes.

10:59And I say, dude, if atoms had willpower, like you said, what would they do by themselves?

11:03They would come together.

11:04They would decide and manage a system.

11:05They would take over the universe.

11:06But when I look at the atoms, they're ruled and are working within an order.

11:10They are not confused.

11:11They continue to operate within the same system.

11:13If they had their own will, this would be a paradox.

11:16Why?

11:16They can't be ruler and ruled at the same time.

11:19In other words, bricks can't build this building.

11:21Why?

11:22Because one brick can't rule all bricks.

11:24It can't rule by saying, you guys stay here, you go there.

11:27This building can't stand together by taking orders from all of them simultaneously.

11:31And this system can't be constructed.

11:33Why?

11:33There is a contradiction between being a ruler and being ruled simultaneously.

11:37So all the bricks are ruled.

11:39Apart from these, an architect, or as we called it, a ruler is necessary.

11:43There can be no willpower in atoms too.

11:45This is a contradiction.

11:46An atom can't be a ruler to all atoms and be ruled simultaneously.

11:50It can't say, come on guys, we're forming bodies.

11:52Come on guys, we're going to build an eye.

11:54Come on guys, we're going to build ears.

11:55Because how will an atom both give and take orders at the same time?

11:59I've presented you with dozens of evidence.

12:01You can't neutralize even one of them, right?

12:03Yeah, but I don't think you can neutralize one of mine either.

12:07Dude, which one did we not neutralize?

12:08Well, you do now, but science is constantly changing.

12:11It changes every day.

12:12For example, this camera zooms into us.

12:14As the camera improves, the zoom improves, right?

12:16I mean, these advancements only improve the physical closeness to the matter.

12:19Since the issues we're talking about are related to the attributes of the matter,

12:23zooming into something incapable of showing these attributes and saying,

12:25science will find this in the future, will never be related to the absence of a creator.

12:29Because science only studies the motion of matter.

12:31What we can do is to interpret.

12:33It is the interpretation that we derive from the motion of the matter.

12:36So science will never work anything out about this issue.

12:38It will tell us the motion of matter and we will derive from it.

12:41How was it this conversation?

12:42Were we able to clear any of your doubts?

12:44Is there any progress at least?

12:46If God was 0% before we spoke, he's like 2% now.

12:50You're saying it's up to 2%.

12:51It was a good interview.

12:52You are friendly and respectful.

12:53Let's shake hands.

12:55It was good.

12:55You can contact us again anytime.

12:57We're ready to help you with your research.

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