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00:00I am doing a PhD at Istanbul University. I'm an atheist.
00:04There shouldn't be people born with three arms or five legs.
00:07Is it the duty of those disabled people to make me find God?
00:11Doesn't the fact that he created and said people must recognize me show that he is needy?
00:15No, it doesn't.
00:17According to the verse in the Quran, he guides whom he wills to the right path and whom he doesn't.
00:21What is my role here then?
00:23Well, he is out of the matter then.
00:24Doesn't the creator's existence outside of matter automatically mean that there is a creator?
00:30Is it okay if I post this video on YouTube?
00:36No problem.
00:36What do you do? Are you a student or working?
00:38I am doing a PhD at Istanbul University.
00:41Do you believe in something?
00:42I believe in atheism and philosophy.
00:44I was a Muslim for a long time, dogmatically.
00:47I stayed as a deist for a long time. Now I'm an atheist.
00:50What convinces you that there is no creator?
00:52Have you found any evidence or any sign?
00:55The creator that religions tell about is a personal God.
00:58He can love someone like me.
01:00For instance, he loves the prophet he created.
01:03He resents people who don't worship him.
01:05If there is a creator, he must be better and more perfect than me.
01:09Alright, let me ask you this.
01:10Why do you think having a characteristic like to love or be angry with someone is a deficiency for the creator?
01:15Can he be superior to you and love his servants and creations at the same time?
01:19Why should his love be evidence of his non-existence?
01:21Since he is portrayed as a human, I said he doesn't exist.
01:24You say, like a human.
01:26The issue here is, God gives people something called I.
01:29There is generosity in us.
01:31Why do you think these were given to us?
01:33With these feelings, we can infer so we can get to know the creator.
01:36The resemblance to humans is not physical.
01:38He only puts our feelings in so that we compare.
01:40But of course, those feelings are not exactly the same.
01:43We can only infer.
01:44While I can't imagine something that is out of time and space,
01:47how is it possible that we will be held responsible for it?
01:51Since we live in a time stream, we may not understand the concept of timelessness.
01:56However, not understanding it is not evidence of his non-existence.
01:59It is also not an evidence for his existence.
02:00But we can see a lot of evidence for his existence.
02:03What do you see?
02:04Okay, let's try to infer something out of it.
02:06If we analyze it from the basis, everything is done by matter or a creator outside of matter, right?
02:12Yeah.
02:12There are two types of creatings in the universe.
02:15One, creating from nothing.
02:17Two, creating by gathering materials that already exist.
02:20When I think about these two creating options, who performs these, mentally and logically?
02:26I'll make an inference.
02:27For example, the first type.
02:29If we're talking about creating from nothing,
02:31certainly there needs to be someone who has always existed and never needed anything.
02:35If someone is already in nothingness, he can't create himself from nothingness.
02:39He is already in nothingness.
02:40If he needs someone or something, he can't create something new.
02:44Someone who has always existed and has never needed anyone is required.
02:47Imagine one day you wake up, open your garage and find a Ferrari.
02:51We would say, somebody must have put this car here, right?
02:54Right.
02:54Why?
02:55Because we know that a Ferrari doesn't just come out of nowhere.
02:58One can understand this perfectly easily.
03:00And if the universe came into existence out of nothingness, we would say to ourselves,
03:04it can't come into existence without anybody's intervention.
03:08We'd say, someone who is not time-bound, already existed and doesn't need anybody's help is necessary.
03:14When I take a look at the matter, it is changeable.
03:16You know the law of entropy.
03:17What happens in it?
03:18The matter wears out.
03:19Something that can be worn out or be changed can't be eternal.
03:23Because something eternal is infinite, unchanging and constant.
03:26Then the matter doesn't have the attributes I'm looking for.
03:29Eternity and not needing anything.
03:31What did we learn from the Big Bang?
03:33Matter has emerged from nothing.
03:35The universe is expanding.
03:36What will happen if the universe is expanding if we rewind the tape?
03:39The universe will shrink into a single point and we will reach the definition of nothingness.
03:44So, the matter couldn't have done this by itself.
03:46Secondly, we can look at a building by gathering materials together.
03:50In other words, the second type of creating.
03:52For example, the continuous creation and emergence of hundreds of thousands of creatures daily.
03:57These are building activities.
03:59For the building to be made, four attributes must come together.
04:02What are they?
04:03Knowledge, willpower, power and life.
04:06Without even one of these, no building activity can take place.
04:09For example, imagine you're on a beach by the sea and you want to build a house on it.
04:13Even if it is made from sand, even then, these four attributes must be present.
04:18Knowledge is the knowledge of how to build that house.
04:20Willpower is the ability to choose whether to do something or not.
04:24Power is strength.
04:26Life, a dead thing can't even build a house from the sand.
04:29Like this house in the example, four people are born in this world every second.
04:34385,000 babies and hundreds of thousands of beings come to life daily.
04:38So, each of these building activities requires someone with knowledge, willpower, power and life behind it.
04:44And again, when I take a look at atoms and matter, they don't have any of these four attributes.
04:49We said there are two options, either matter or someone beyond matter.
04:53So, if the matter doesn't have these attributes, even if I can't see beyond matter, even if I can't perceive timelessness, I say, there is one.
05:01I say, one who has knowledge, willpower, power and life.
05:05One who is beyond time and space and in need of nothing.
05:08One that is eternal and always existed.
05:10One who creates things from nothing.
05:12He is the one who does the two types of creation with building activities.
05:16What do you say?
05:17It's like we said in earlier, we said it's either matter or a creator.
05:20Isn't the inability of matter evidence for the creator's existence?
05:24What you said, is it like the verse, God said to be and it came to be?
05:29There are two kinds of creation that we talked about.
05:31What I am saying is that the creator controls both.
05:33There was no universe and he created something from nothing.
05:36God is creating step by step.
05:38For example, when we take an apple, we sow seeds.
05:40When the seed turns into an apple, it doesn't just pop up, right?
05:43Yeah.
05:43Now, God continues to create gradually until the seed becomes an apple.
05:47Well, the seed you sowed is all about the laws of biology.
05:50If the conditions are right, it will germinate and it will grow and it will be a sapling
05:55and it will bear fruit.
05:56If the conditions are not right, it won't.
05:58What is the role of the creator here?
06:00This is a good question.
06:01Do you know what you missed?
06:02The things we call laws are actually names that tell us how God created and how he governs
06:07the universe.
06:08For example, we say the laws are applied while a seed takes time to become a fruit.
06:12In fact, these laws are the name of the order that tells us how the creator transforms
06:17the seed into fruit.
06:18The law doesn't do anything on its own.
06:20If there is a law, someone behind the law governs the universe with that law.
06:25Let's say there's a smoking ban here.
06:27We hang this sign here.
06:29We come here and smoke.
06:30Now, can this sign inflict any punishment on us?
06:33The sign can't.
06:34Right?
06:34Who inflicts it?
06:35Law enforcement needs to inflict it.
06:38Why?
06:38The law doesn't do anything on its own.
06:40The law, this rule, whoever put it here, whoever rules here must come, punish and govern.
06:45Just like this example, the laws of biology, the laws of physics, the laws of the universe
06:50can't do anything on their own.
06:51If there is a law, there has to be someone who applies these laws in the background.
06:56For example, can you show me the law physically?
06:58Like this is the law in its physical form?
07:00I can show you the sunrise and the sunset, but I can't show you gravity.
07:04You can't show gravity.
07:05Why?
07:05Because it's not made of matter, right?
07:07Why these things stay there is about gravity, but I can't say this here is gravity.
07:12That's exactly what I'm saying.
07:13Why?
07:13Because it's not material.
07:15These are issues that we infer.
07:17This is our inference.
07:19These laws that you see here are names of how the creator manages the universe and how
07:23he governs matter.
07:24If there is a system, there is a governor.
07:26If there is a law, there are those who apply the law.
07:29So this place shows the creator again.
07:31Do you think the universe is too organized?
07:32I don't think so.
07:33It's in chaos.
07:34We know what time the sun will set and rise, right?
07:37Right.
07:37Or on one day, on the news we hear, there will be a solar eclipse that happens once in a century.
07:42We wait, and it happens exactly as it is told.
07:45While these predictions happen due to mathematics, formulas, how come it shows us that there is
07:49no order?
07:50You went to a university and you're doing a PhD right now.
07:53You have a master's degree.
07:54You must have seen hundreds of formulas in your classes so far.
07:57Maybe you had to memorize them, right?
07:59Yeah.
07:59With all these formulas you memorized, what do they actually show us?
08:03They show us that an order governs the universe.
08:05Because if there's a formula, there's an order.
08:07In a place of chaos and disorder, you'll pull out a formula and say, wait a minute.
08:11All right.
08:11With this formula, it happens all the time at this rate.
08:14Can you come up with a formula?
08:15The formulas show complete order.
08:18You're right.
08:18But within this organized universe, three armed and five-legged people should not be born.
08:24First, we have to ask ourselves, does something like this happen 99% of the time?
08:28Is it 1% or even one in a million chance?
08:31If he deliberately creates that 1% according to a plan, we can't call it a flaw.
08:36For example, if I take this microphone and use it as a phone.
08:39Yes, we can't say it's a flaw.
08:40You know, it is funny because, for example, when we go to a paper or plate factory,
08:48even in that plate factory, there are three defects out of a thousand.
08:52Let's say five in a thousand.
08:53You're an industrial engineer.
08:55You know better.
08:56If God performs with error margin, if he does, he's flawed.
08:59If God creates that 1% for a specific purpose, then this is a part of the order as well and not a flaw.
09:06We can measure the definition of order and perfection with fitness for purpose.
09:09How? For example, I take this microphone and if I use it as a phone, can I say,
09:13just a minute, no one's calling this phone, bro. It's flawed?
09:16No, but if it doesn't capture sound, it's flawed.
09:18It is flawed if it does not capture the sound well, but I can't say if I can't call someone with it, it is flawed.
09:23Because the purpose of this microphone is to capture sound and not to call someone.
09:27If it works as it should, I can't say it is flawed.
09:30You go to the library.
09:31Can you say the library is so quiet, is this library flawed?
09:35No.
09:35Because that is the library's purpose, it is made to be a quiet place.
09:38By nature, exactly.
09:39Just like this, God created people for a purpose.
09:42What is that purpose?
09:43He created it to introduce himself.
09:45For example, people need to encounter diseases here, so that they may know the creator as Al-Shafi, the healer.
09:51They may know the creator as Al-Razak, the all-provider when it comes to hunger.
09:55Since God built this universe to recognize him, any creation which will introduce God to us is suitable for the purpose.
10:01Coming across some people that are born with three arms and two heads neither indicates the creator's non-existence nor that the universe is imperfect.
10:09Because what do people do?
10:10With every newborn baby, people pray.
10:12Why do people pray?
10:13The need to pray arises because these diseases are unknown to people.
10:17Praying is one of the essential foundations of creation.
10:20People were created to pray.
10:21So, we can say, everything that leads people to know God and facing issues such as helplessness, weakness, and disease that lead people to pray is a good fit for the purpose of the creation of the universe.
10:32If something works according to its purpose, we can't say it's flawed.
10:36Is it the duty of those disabled people to make me find God?
10:39And for themselves, people make inferences for themselves, not just other people.
10:44As we said, people will find the creator along with their own attributes.
10:48One who sees himself weak finds the almighty creator.
10:51Their illnesses are actually letters to them.
10:53If the purpose of writing a letter is to make you understand, people are sent here to understand.
10:58This is how this issue should be viewed.
11:00From the beginning to the end, we discuss the creator's existence.
11:03What do you say?
11:04When we look at the fact of creating something from nothing, if the matter doesn't have this attribute, doesn't the creator's existence outside a matter automatically mean that there is a creator?
11:13You still called the creator our Razak.
11:15Providing food, healing, my opinion hasn't changed.
11:18I mean, having those attributes doesn't make sense to you.
11:21Yeah.
11:22What kind of creator makes sense?
11:24Does it make sense if he doesn't have any attributes?
11:26The God I had in my mind is plausible and better than me.
11:30My version of a God is superior to yours.
11:32For instance, one of the attributes of God is a samad.
11:35He doesn't need anything, anyone.
11:37Doesn't the fact that he created and said, my creation should know me, shows that he is in need?
11:41It doesn't show that because...
11:43I think it shows.
11:44Why not?
11:45We say, I think, we cannot discover the issue as truth.
11:47We need to look at the evidence here.
11:49It doesn't change for you or me, but that's how I understand it.
11:52Imagine a mother caressing her child's head.
11:54She woke up the night before, caressed her child's head, and went back to bed.
11:58She did it because she wanted to, right?
11:59In other words, it is not a need.
12:01Yes.
12:01For God, creating is also something he wanted to do.
12:04It's his choice.
12:05It's not because of needing to do that.
12:07We said in the beginning, he must be eternal so that he can create things from nothing.
12:11He must be in need of nothing so that he can create things and continue building.
12:15If something is eternal, its compassion is infinite.
12:17Its might is infinite.
12:18There is no room for helplessness.
12:20Because we're talking about absoluteness, there is no limit.
12:22So we can say, he doesn't need anything, anyone.
12:25If you ask, why did he create, this is a reflection of his names and attributes.
12:29Someone generous will want to offer it, his generosity, to others.
12:32If there is an attribute, the attribute will want to be reflected and come to light.
12:35Everyone who has beauty and perfection will want to show their beauty and perfection.
12:39In other words, the beautiful one will want to show his beauty.
12:42Since God has endless wealth, since he has infinite power, he wanted to create things.
12:47And with his generosity, with his gifts, he provided livelihood for his creation.
12:51He wanted this.
12:52He was not in need to do that.
12:54He created and showed his generosity to the people.
12:57And he says he will continue to provide for you in the eternal heaven.
13:00Okay, God wanted to create me here.
13:03And according to the verse in the Quran,
13:04he guides whom he wills to the right path and whom he doesn't.
13:08Let's say he didn't want to guide me because I'm an atheist.
13:11So I became an atheist.
13:12What's my role here then?
13:13This is a good question.
13:14You read the translation of Quran.
13:16I have to read the translation since I'm not a native Arab.
13:18You may check tafsis, exegesis.
13:20Since the verses were revealed following certain events,
13:22if we don't know the essentials of an event,
13:24the core of it, it will be a personal inference.
13:26However, the verse was revealed for a specific reason.
13:29The meaning is given in context of the event.
13:31The Prophet, peace be upon him, interpreted and explained that verse.
13:34When we look at the verse, God says,
13:35وَيَهْدِ مَنْ يَشَهْ
13:37God guides whom he wills to the right path.
13:39In the other part, it tells him whom God will guide.
13:41God says, I guide whom I will.
13:43The question is, who does he wish to guide?
13:45In other verses, he mentions the qualities of those people.
13:47What did he say?
13:48Just at the beginning of Surah Al-Baqarah, he says,
13:51they, God conscious people, believe in the unseen.
13:53They perform the prayers.
13:54There are many characteristics of those people in the Quran.
13:57In other parts of the Quran, God has explained whom he will guide to the right path.
14:00This is where the willpower of man comes in.
14:02If a man reads the Quran,
14:04the principles of faith and belief are clear.
14:06Do I want it? Guidance or not?
14:07If you look at it and say, I don't want it,
14:09God says, those who don't want to be guided to the right path will not be guided.
14:13Whom will I guide to the right path, he says?
14:15The ones who want this guidance,
14:16he says, whoever accepts this will be guided to the right path.
14:19Otherwise, people may understand it differently when they read the translation.
14:22Okay.
14:23What are you going to do?
14:24Keep looking?
14:24No, I stopped looking a long time ago.
14:27I'm living out my life in a normal way.
14:29I would like to ask you a sincere question.
14:31You may not answer if you don't want to.
14:33Now, when you say atheism, you have your family, friends, loved ones.
14:37Maybe you have someone you love or you're married to.
14:39There are so many people you are attached to.
14:41Atheism says, there's nothing after death.
14:43How do you cope with that?
14:44How can a person be happy with a thought like,
14:46I will go to nothingness?
14:48Instead, with the slightest inference,
14:49yeah, well, there's a hundred pieces of evidence against the creator.
14:52One of them seems plausible.
14:54I'll just accept that.
14:5599 other things that don't make sense to me.
14:57I'll try to solve them step by step.
14:58Wouldn't that be nice?
14:59How else are you going to live with the idea of nothingness?
15:01I'm happy because I'm in charge of my life.
15:04Don't you feel the heaviness that you will be nothing in the end?
15:07How can you live with that?
15:08After I die, I don't know, maybe I'll be a weed.
15:10Cows will eat, produce milk, and kids drink that milk, something like that.
15:15What else could it be?
15:16I was like this before I was born.
15:17I was in the sausage.
15:19I was in the pastrami.
15:20Even when you're apart from someone you love for a month,
15:22you can't stand to be apart, right?
15:24I mean, there is that feeling of belonging.
15:26Yes.
15:26If we can't even stand being apart for a month,
15:28can we really see it as so trivial?
15:30This eternal separation?
15:31You can't stand to be separated from the one you love for a month,
15:34but I'll never see them again forever?
15:36If there are a hundred plausible evidences,
15:38I think even one piece of evidence is enough to accept a creator.
15:41Take care.
15:42It's been a pleasure meeting you.
15:43What is your belief?
15:46Apatheism, it's also known as pragmatic atheism.
15:49I'm a Christian, I became a Christian afterwards.
15:51I've been deist for the last two years.
15:53Science has already explained it to us,
15:54at least it doesn't seem astonishing to me.
15:57I think you're looking for the prophet in the wrong place.
15:59Then I would also like to be born in the tribe
16:01and eat avocados in paradise after I die.
16:02I'll prove it at the level of 2 plus 2 equals 4.
16:12I'll prove it 100%.
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