00:00All right Ben's with us as he is every Monday and Friday at 12. He may have to bolt early
00:05because Quinn's going to talk at 1220. I did retweet your tweet yesterday about
00:12the alarm over the waving of a sixth round pick. I thought that that was an interesting reaction
00:20for many. I saw it show up in my timeline but rather than harp on the hysterical reaction
00:27to the cutting of a sixth round pick. Tell us why he was released and what they're going
00:35what they're planning on doing with say McNichols and even Allen back to the practice squad.
00:41Yeah I think the why is still a little bit of a mystery. I mean obviously if you know you
00:46have
00:46but people have seen the injury report this week they may be up against it in terms of you know
00:51needing guys and whether it's assigning somebody to the active roster or what have you they may
00:57need just open spots to deal with everything they have to deal with. They have four you know they
01:01have you know they should be okay at running back so I'm guessing McNichols is activated but we'll see
01:07about that. It is confusing as to why they chose to do this. Now let's not forget that like the
01:16first
01:17two games K-Tron Allen had some carries. He was the guy that they brought in to replace Bill after
01:23Bill fumbled in week one against Eagles late in the fourth quarter so they were showing some
01:28confidence in him then. Then week three no offensive snaps not those touches no snaps so that's kind of
01:34odd and you know when they signed Eckler a week before the Seattle or they agreed to Eckler before
01:39the Seattle game someone told me I don't know I'm not reporting this as fact or anything but you know
01:43they may have made this move then so I don't know if something happened with K-Tron Allen but
01:48whatever the reason I think they're I mean I heard Adam Peters today on The Junkies say that
01:54they would hope they would hope he clears waivers and brings him back. I don't think he's going to
01:58clear waivers from what I'm gathering. I think he's going to get snatched by somebody. I mean it's possible
02:02everything decided the last minute to not do it but I think he's not I think he's going to get
02:07claimed
02:07by somebody and so then the real question is like well is this really the risk you thought you were
02:12taking it? Why would you take this risk? I know again if you have to open up roster spots you
02:16had
02:16to do something. Was that the something to do? You know you got the offensive lineman if a UDFA
02:22in Taneo who maybe he's a good prospect I don't know but it would seem like he'd be more likely
02:26to
02:26clear waivers as a UDFA than a guy who was a six-round pick in Penn State's all-time leading
02:31rusher.
02:32So obviously we'll talk to Dan Quinn. I don't know how much light he'll shed on the situation
02:36and again it this is not in itself is not a fireable offense but it does bring the question
02:43what's the real reasoning what's the logic and there's been a lot of that lately whether we're
02:48talking about on the field stuff or roster stuff so it's definitely curious to say the least.
02:54Yeah I mean waving a sixth rounder is not a reason for heads to roll that's a reaction I was
03:04getting
03:04and I think you were getting on X. Being curious as to why they released him is fine it's possible
03:11that he's nowhere near as good as what they have and that's going to be a an emphasis in the
03:17off
03:18anyway to try to find a true lead back when we get to next offseason and they were okay with
03:25the
03:25risk of losing him. McNichols is valuable to them on special teams I'm glad he's back I'm glad he'll
03:33be there and by the way with Jalen Lane out I'm assuming that if he is back this week he's
03:38back
03:39on kickoff returns is that a fair assumption? I would think he would be a very likely candidate you
03:46would think Luke McCaffrey goes back there but yeah McNichols and he also has like a different
03:50body type you know gives you that you know aggressive running back body which in this day
03:54and age on kickoffs might almost be more valuable at some point than some of the lighter faster guys
03:59but um yeah no I mean you know I wrote about this earlier in the week when they put McNichols
04:07when they said McNichols window is open I'm like okay so that means at some point here in the next
04:10you
04:10know week or two he's going to get activated and then you've got five running backs how is this going
04:15to play out you don't fit four running backs is a lot for some teams right how is it going
04:20to play
04:20out so they were sitting I mean again they didn't even have to do McNichols they just could have sat
04:25there and waited they weren't under pressure just to open the window so they clearly decided
04:28they wanted to do this I think the other thing that's interesting Kevin is that let's assume
04:32Allen is gone that means two rookie running backs are off this team including the practice squad
04:37and you know when we talk all summer about that they were getting younger faster and that they did
04:42certainly broadly especially like in the front seven and things like that but you know this
04:46would be the opposite of that to go with essentially Eckler and McNichols over either Robert Henry or
04:52who has claimed off signed off the practice squad by Seattle or Allen again this isn't making or breaking
04:58the roster number five comes back to play as well that's that's what's going to matter the most but
05:02you know just sort of is it a sign of hey we really are feeling up against it we need
05:06to
05:06get as many guys in here that we feel comfortable with using immediately um you know or or what and
05:12like the other thing is like in the running back room Bill is a unique in that room in that
05:18he's got
05:18that big play ability you know get off the field whatever but the other three guys Rashad Wyatt
05:24Austin Eckler Jeremy McNichols I mean they all are sort of the same type of back and none of them
05:29are
05:29like playmaking types they're solid pass catchers that can make yards nothing they're not good
05:34but they're kind of the same so they also and at least he's been a playmaker well but I'm just
05:40saying he's 30 something years old here coming off the Achilles I'm not I'm not assuming Eckler
05:44is 24 even let alone I mean he looked fine the other day but you know we got to see
05:48over time
05:49but also fine if you're going to go with Eckler that's fine then why do you need McNichols like
05:53that's all I'm saying like it just feels like they they've they've doubled downed on the same type
05:57of guy and maybe that's what they want maybe they want a guy who they can they can trust in
06:01the
06:01passing game can give you some run and they're cool with losing some of the bigger playability
06:05if it means less bill but I'm just saying it's it's not even that they brought in guys to do
06:09unique things they now have like three guys who are kind of similar in terms of what they're going
06:13to bring in the playbook yeah I mean I would I mean Rashad White is has been a first down
06:19back he
06:19wasn't exclusively kind of a third down back um at at various times he was a first down back in
06:26Tampa and and Eckler's been that too I mean whether it was with the Chargers I mean you
06:31don't think they're getting 15 you don't think either of them getting 15 touches a game right
06:34I mean yes they have been but I'm saying they're not going to be no but maybe that's the point
06:40is
06:40that a two-headed Eckler White you can use essentially on any down and you can combine
06:47them for 20 you know touches in the game and that's better than a a bill um you know
06:54Catron Allen White you know mix sure no that like I said that part I get and McNichols has been
07:00good
07:00here I mean there's no argument that you mentioned the kicker I'm just saying the ought to have all
07:03three of those guys is something and then to lose two workies in the process of that is something
07:09else again I this is you know we talked about this uh the other day or at least I did
07:15somewhere like
07:15you know we because any player that is here they get more scrutinized or more praise than we would
07:23do for other players because of the other players are not here so every one of these guys it's not
07:26the Robert or Catron Allen is the next John Riggins Joe Washington combination for all you old heads
07:32it's just to say huh okay they went for old versus young all right we'll see what happens
07:38yeah I mean Rashad White's not old Eckler's older that's the one you're you're referring to yeah and
07:44and McNichols basically but yes yeah I know McNichols I think more so as a special teamer who
07:50knows they've used him in different spots and he's actually performed I let me just say this
07:54there are very few places in which there would have been you know any sort of outcry or reaction
08:01to a sixth rounder being waived or a running back being plucked off of their practice squad and I
08:09understand the sensitivity right now and at one and three there's a lot of finger pointing and
08:14there's a lot of hoping I'm sensing hoping that it goes wrong so that Peters and Quinn aren't here
08:19next year that wouldn't be the reason you'd move on from Peters six rounders typically within two years
08:27are on another roster or out of the league um and practice squad running backs yeah I liked Robert
08:33Henry in a preseason game but yeah I mean you want youth that's going to develop into really good
08:41a really good player on the field and not just youth for youth's sake as you know in his case
08:47it's more
08:47just the team that took them that's Seattle who I used to my agent survey and John Schneider the
08:52Seattle GM who's like the only GM in NFL history to win Super Bowls with two complete rosters he's the
08:56one that chose them you're like oh wait what right well you know what then for all the people that
09:03said
09:03nobody wanted to touch our practice squad players for two years now John Schneider wants to touch a
09:08practice squad player they must have gotten a decent one finally um they just the coaching staff didn't
09:14know enough to hold on to them uh it's like you can't have it both ways it's like nobody nobody
09:20wants
09:21our players have you seen when they get released they're on the practice squad now somebody wants
09:25them and that's a problem too um all right uh let's get to the other key players like players who
09:31actually can make a difference in the game on Sunday against the Giants what is the deal with
09:37Terry and McLaurin in particular is there a possibility that both of them are out uh so we
09:44just left the open part of practice which is really just stretching for the most part and at least Terry
09:49McLaurin was out there so what that means in terms of how much he's actually going to do today we'll
09:54find
09:54out in a little bit but at least he's out there so at least you think a positive sign he
09:58was you know
09:59had the helmet on and everything so that seems positive we did not see Stefan Diggs just based
10:04on the appearances that does not seem positive since he hasn't practiced so maybe that went a
10:09little longer shot to play but again we'll find out here in in a little bit and you know you're
10:15going to ask me in a bit like what's my prediction I think if one of these guys is playing
10:19I could still
10:19feel okay about the home team if they're both out you know even with Jaden back now all of a
10:25sudden
10:25you know the the offensive weapons looks a lot shakier especially the tight end room hasn't done
10:30a lot so you know hopefully McLaurin can go I mean I think you know I think it's fair to
10:35say he wants
10:36to go wanting and doing or not the same thing or whether he should so I don't think it's a
10:41matter
10:41of like he's questioning any of it it's just I you know I guess whatever the medical reasons are
10:45basically last week I was told when they kept them out was they don't want this hamstring injury to
10:49turn into a multi-week problem obviously if you were to sit out it would be a multi-week situation
10:53but you know that's that's the question so you know I don't even want to speculate this time
10:58whether he's going to play uh or not but at least he was out there so at least in theory
11:03that was a
11:03positive sign also just know uh Sam Cosme was out there today and Nick Allegretti was back out there
11:08as well uh again in the open part of stretching so that's at least positive on those fronts well
11:14positive on the first front um for a lot of people they didn't want to hear that Allegretti was
11:19healthy what about Nick Cross is he back this week or not so he was listed as practicing at full
11:29on Wednesday yesterday though it declined to limited and I've been told even when the week
11:34started that you know he may be more limited than whatever kind of is out there and that maybe the
11:39full was even maybe a little bit closer to limited so we'll see how this goes uh I heard Adam
11:44Peters
11:44again today just reiterate that um he's getting like a medical clearance thing it's not sort of a
11:50up to Dan Quinn that kind of kind of deal so if they clear him then I guess he would
11:55play
11:55yeah obviously it's still somewhat vague as to what exactly he is dealing with and that makes it hard to
12:00even speculate on our end uh so we'll see I mean the fact that you know typically a downgrade if
12:06that's
12:06what it was during the course of the week doesn't seem like a good deal but it's only Thursday and
12:12uh
12:12we'll we'll we'll see again where he's at today but I don't I wouldn't take Wednesday's full as being
12:18a lock that he's playing and then just to be clear Ethan Kallik-Manus is the backup and there will
12:24be no
12:25you know third quarterback on the 53 man game day roster correct um you know again uh
12:32so we didn't say so why why create the open spot for Katron Allen why move that again there could
12:38be a
12:39lot of different reasons if the receivers are out maybe you want to bring up signed Van Jefferson now
12:42that Jalen Lane got hurt or maybe Allie Cahill who has no more elevations free elevations maybe you
12:47just say scoreless has put him on the 53 but um Sam Hartman you're about to get to yeah I'm
12:54saying
12:54like okay maybe they decide finally as we've you know discussed like this is the time to to do this
12:59I believe there's been conversations about this and I know Dan Quinn said as much uh but you know
13:05again I we all hope that Jane Daniels plays and is plays the whole game but you know what did
13:13he
13:13what did he come out three of the last four games or something like that and Kallik-Manus was you
13:17know getting hit you know I know all quarterbacks get hit but he's gonna work he's gonna probably
13:21take some worse hits initially than others so he had to tough spot but again the reality is
13:26and this is I think a potentially a big indictment here of this whole Hartman situation is how much
13:31difference is it between Hartman and um going with the emergency not to say that he's worse he's not
13:37better than the emergency it's just to say do they think they can win if he's in the game based
13:41on
13:41their actions the last couple years or last year I think the answer is no because they would have
13:45played him last year at the end of the year instead of going with a couple vets and they haven't
13:49even
13:49had him up yet this year when the injuries have struck quarterback so I I guess we think it's a
13:55possibility that he could be up that he could sign the 53 but yeah I mean based on the history
14:00here
14:00it's probably not let me just make sure everybody understands the reason that Sam Hartman wasn't a
14:06third quarterback last week or the week before the two games Jaden wasn't available for is you have to
14:13be to be the 46th eligible emergency third quarterback and this rule was implemented after the 49ers in the
14:22NFC championship game against the Eagles a few years ago ended up with Christian McCaffrey playing
14:27quarterback in the second half after you know Purdy and I think it was Josh Johnson actually after
14:34both of them uh got hurt um but they have to be on the 53 man roster to be that
14:4046th third emergency
14:42quarterback and then if you enter the game neither one of the first two can come back and play so
14:48Sam
14:49Hartman wasn't on the 53 man roster he's been on the practice squad so for him to be a third
14:54emergency
14:55quarterback he would have to be brought up to the 53 man roster I believe I have that right
15:00yes you you do and I will also note that the somebody who was with the 49ers at the time
15:06of
15:06that situation was Adam Peters so you would think if a guy right if anybody is going to be like
15:11okay
15:11we will we don't want that risk let's get this guy out here but you know obviously that hasn't happened
15:16and you know I as it is easy to just say well if you get down to the third string
15:22it's over anyway
15:23no just your odds go lower it's not over but your odds go lower and that's why you need to
15:28have as
15:28much help around them as you can but so that's the question do they actually think it's kind of over
15:33if Hartman has to come in versus no we think we like him it's just you know we've got to
15:37be on our
15:37p's and q's across the board if he is yeah all right quickly uh because I know you got to
15:42run
15:42how do they beat the Giants and then what's your prediction yeah I mean you know we we talked earlier
15:48in the year about they weren't getting turnovers well now they have they have three against
15:51Seattle I got two last week and they're playing a quarterback in James Winston who is known to
15:55give the ball up and he's also known to make some big plays looked like it was more of the
15:59traditional James Winston show last week with three touchdowns and two picks
16:03the pass rush you know the front seven has been pretty solid for the most part yeah the defense has
16:08gotten worn down the last couple games but this is a perfect opportunity for this Durante
16:12Jones defense to do what it's designed to do pressure the quarterback forcing to get the ball out
16:17quick and take advantage of it by making perfect creating turnovers and if they can do that this
16:22is how they beat the Giants I know they get more turnovers is the classic answer but in this case
16:27I think it's applicable to Washington's design and who the specific quarterback is um on uh on the
16:34other end then of course look obviously Jane Daniels if he looks like he did you know in that start
16:39of
16:39that Dallas game well I Washington's got a really good shot then to win you know he obviously was a
16:45a difference maker as we expect and then unfortunately the injury happened so if you know
16:49some version of that Jane Daniels is there and the defense can do what we just said then I do
16:54think
16:55that they can win I also think they're going to have to have probably McCorn or Giggs at least one
16:59of them out there to to give the Giants enough to worry about them the Giants have a pretty good
17:03defense they've got good personnel uh you know obviously the Malik neighbors part you know last week
17:08with the Colts they didn't have a deep threat to burn Washington as we saw in the previous weeks
17:12well Malik neighbors is certainly that guy so you know you gotta you gotta keep him in check to a
17:17to a degree but like I said if they can force turnovers out of Winston I think they can win
17:21this
17:21game uh and you're predicting a win I'll assume at the moment that at least Harry's so yes I'll
17:29predict like a uh 23-20 win uh but uh you know as you often say I may tweet out
17:35later and change that
17:36if uh if the smell test goes another way after the game um all right absolutely absolutely
17:42appreciate it Ben standing everybody
