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Washington Commanders Reporter Ben Standig from The Last Man Standig Podcast and Substack joins The Kevin Sheehan Show to break down what stood out to him from the Commanders preseason game vs the Dolphins, what we can learn about the roster from the game and if Jayden Daniels’ PR will bounce back from the LSU controversy.
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00:00All right, Ben Standing's with us as he is every Monday and Friday.
00:03He is our team insider.
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00:15You wrote in your column this morning in the opening line,
00:20the first pre-season game offered some answers.
00:23The days since have created a few more questions.
00:27Let's start with the answers.
00:28What answers from Friday night's game against Miami?
00:35Oh, I mean, it's like small little answers more than like, you know, big ones,
00:40especially since most of the guys weren't playing.
00:42I mean, we did get a couple things like it had looked like Jeremy Reeves
00:46was in line to be first team safety, and then he doesn't have to play in the game.
00:51They breast him with the other main guys,
00:54whereas Quan Martin and Will Harris played more snaps than any safeties who played in the game.
01:00So, you know, a little there in terms of like the current depth chart look.
01:06Yeah, Cross and Reeves are the starters, right?
01:09I mean, that's certainly the way it looks.
01:11It had looked that way for a week or so in camp, but, you know, you never know.
01:16And, you know, this was a sign in that regard.
01:22I would even say maybe, you know, it's been – we've talked a lot about Luvu being the green dot
01:28guy,
01:28it looked like, and then you have Stiles and Chennault both playing in this game.
01:33Not saying that that's – you know, they're obviously going to play,
01:35but, you know, that whole dynamic is like who's going to play more,
01:38or are they going to just split, you know, looking more and more like that may be the case.
01:46And then, you know, you just have to make individual performances.
01:49You know, Katron Allen, like, you can look at it half glass, full, half glass, empty,
01:54depending on where you want to emphasize it.
01:55But there was a stat I saw, I mean, Warren Sharp had it,
01:58that of his 23 carries, zero of them went for negative yards.
02:02And that says something about the style of the player.
02:06And it was something that was recognized by coming into the draft that, you know,
02:10he's a fall forward kind of a guy who makes something, you know, even when nothing's there.
02:14And, you know, I think that's – for a guy that, like, what's his role?
02:17Is it going to be the short yardage kind of guy maybe with Bill and Rashad White?
02:22Well, you know, again, maybe we can nitpick on some things here and there,
02:26but that type of player showed up against the Dolphins.
02:30And so, you know, I think some subtle things like that kind of stood out.
02:34All right.
02:35What you wrote, what questions have the days since created?
02:43Well, I mean, the Marietta one is, you know, the most obvious one.
02:47You know, the medical people out there, by that I mean, you know,
02:54people who don't have degrees, medical degrees.
02:56Because we're telling me that –
02:57The internet.
02:59Yeah, and some other people.
03:00Like, the sprained MCL is not the worst thing in the world, obviously.
03:03I mean, certainly it's better than, you know, what could have been the alternatives.
03:06And that, you know, he could be back – you know, we already –
03:09Quinn already said he's going to be out for preseason.
03:12We didn't technically ask if he's going to practice.
03:14But that's a – we can get to that.
03:15But, like, if he – you know, I mean, if he's out at all, like, if we get to week
03:22one
03:22and it's still iffy, you know, I mean, what do they do?
03:25They don't have a guy right now who you would feel remotely comfortable.
03:28I'm getting a lot of people – because I wrote about the Marietta thing.
03:31I'm getting people going, oh, come on, you're making a big deal about this.
03:34Nobody has a QB3, blah, blah, blah.
03:36You know, there's a massive difference in QB3.
03:39You can have a guy like, say, Josh Johnson or a Driscoll, and nobody would say,
03:45well, if that's your quarterback for 17 weeks, you're good.
03:47But if we're just talking a game or two, right, can that person be functional?
03:52Can that person allow the other playmakers to do what they do,
03:56allow the offensive coordinator to call a game plan in which at least the basics
04:00can be executed and you're not asking him to do too much?
04:03The problem with having a seventh-round rookie in Sam Hartman is there's no sense
04:08that they could even do that.
04:09And that's the difference between having a third-stringer who's at least functional
04:15versus no idea.
04:17I mean, you know, and I think that's where it's a little bit nervous right now.
04:20Again, especially when this – even if it's not for that reason,
04:23the starting quarterback has missed a lot of games.
04:26So, you know, the backup quarterback, you know, Josh Johnson was the number two
04:32at point for a lot of last year.
04:34Let's not forget, at the end of the year, they brought in Jeff Driscoll to be his backup
04:37because they didn't trust Sam Hartman to do that.
04:40So, you know, it just feels like you're putting yourself at a bit of a risk here
04:44all along, and now they're saying they're not even going to bring in another quarterback.
04:48Again, I don't think it's the end of the world, but to dismiss the third-stringer
04:52as irrelevant because the season's over.
04:55The season's over if that guy has to play the season.
04:57It's not over if he has to play one or two games.
04:59And they need somebody to punch him for that.
05:01Right.
05:02Like, my immediate reaction when you started talking, I'm like, look,
05:05if the backup quarterback's got to play like he did last year, we're doomed.
05:08The season's over.
05:10Let's move on to 27.
05:12That would really suck, by the way.
05:14But to your point, Marcus Mariota is very capable of coming in for a two-week period
05:21and keeping the trains on time, keeping them running and giving you a chance
05:26in the same way that, you know, Joe Flacco gave Cincinnati a chance.
05:30Of course, he had to do it for a much longer period of time
05:33and with a terrible defense last year as Burrow was getting healthy,
05:37but they were actually in it with him.
05:39That's what you have to have.
05:41Marcus Mariota's not starting 17 games, and you're going to end up, you know,
05:45vying for a playoff spot.
05:46But if he only has to start one in October and one in early December
05:53in a big spot, you have to have somebody like him versus a Sam Hartman.
05:57There's a big difference, major difference.
06:00Yeah.
06:00I mean, again, go back to 2020 when, you know, they went through, you know,
06:06Alex Smith was there, got hurt, and Dwayne Haskins and Kyle Allen,
06:10and they get to the end, and Alex Smith can't go,
06:13and they're looking at Steven Montez who had been there all year,
06:16and Ron Rivera said, his eyes got too big.
06:19They're like, all right, so what do we do now?
06:20And they went and, you know, they brought in Heineke,
06:22and, you know, say whatever you want about Heineke, he was a gamer.
06:25You know, he could do it.
06:26So that's all I'm saying.
06:28It's not, you know, you got to play this stuff all the way out.
06:32I mean, and, you know, again, it just, again,
06:34there's no difference to me than last year with the wide receiver room.
06:37I was like, really?
06:38This is the plan when you have this huge risk at receiver
06:41in terms of the injuries and the holdout,
06:43and they went in with the depth.
06:46It was obviously not satisfactory,
06:48and then obviously it played out the way that it did.
06:50So, again, the QB3 is not going, you're not going to,
06:53the season's not going to hinge on that,
06:54but if you don't have a guy that can at least be functional,
06:57then you probably have no chance.
06:59That was such a great pull, Steven Montez,
07:03because he literally, didn't he get into a game,
07:06and he was clearly petrified?
07:10Or Rivera thought that he could play,
07:13but he just, he was one of those guys
07:15when you actually had to do it in the game,
07:19didn't quite look the part.
07:22Did he play in a game?
07:23I don't think he, I don't think so,
07:26but it was a position that he was going to,
07:28you know, again, just based on the fact
07:30that he'd been there all year,
07:31which, by the way, brings up to just a different point
07:34since we're here.
07:35Like, this is no disrespect to Sam Hartman.
07:38The guy, seems like a really nice guy.
07:40He, you know, clearly has a good feel for football.
07:43You know, we could see that even when he's playing,
07:45but like, you know, I mean,
07:47it just doesn't seem like they think
07:49he's a legit quarterback,
07:50and the eye test kind of backs it up.
07:53Well, what does Regina think?
07:56Wow.
07:57I don't know what to tell you on that one,
07:59but, I mean, this is sort of like,
08:01I was just surprised when they brought him.
08:03Kidding, people, I'm kidding.
08:04Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
08:06I'm just surprised when they brought him back.
08:08I'm like, okay, like, A, they drafted a kid
08:10in the seventh round, and it's like,
08:11well, what is, again, like, what is the point?
08:13If it's just a camp body, even still, like, you know,
08:17I don't know.
08:17I'm just, it's like, the odd choice to me
08:20of keeping him, unless it's for other reasons,
08:23then it's just like, well, what was the point?
08:26Now you're in this position where Sam Quinn's saying
08:28they're probably not going to bring anybody else in,
08:29so does that mean for the rest of camp and preseason,
08:33the people you have to evaluate at receiver
08:35or anywhere else are now going to be having to do that
08:38with a seventh round rookie and a guy in his third year
08:41who you have already kind of said
08:43you don't think should be playing?
08:45That doesn't seem like a great spot to be in,
08:47but it is what it is.
08:48Do you think there's a chance that Jaden
08:51and the offensive starters and some of the defensive starters
08:55will play Saturday against Detroit?
08:56We know that it won't likely happen against Baltimore,
08:59but could it happen Saturday against the Lions or not?
09:04I mean, like, you know, all things being equal,
09:06I would say, yeah, you know, you should play some of these guys,
09:09but now that Mariota's hurt, and again,
09:11you can tell me that he'll be back in two weeks
09:13and it won't be a big deal, that's cool,
09:14but as of now, he's hurt, and I don't think I'd play him.
09:19I think the risk is now exponentially greater
09:22knowing that Mariota's out.
09:23Again, maybe he'll be ready for week one.
09:25I'm not a doctor. I don't know.
09:26I don't think you can operate like that.
09:28I don't think you can.
09:29I think if your backup quarterback is out
09:31for the rest of the preseason, that can't...
09:34If you're starting quarterback, if you think he needs work
09:38or that the offense needs work with the new offensive coordinator,
09:41I don't think you can operate on that level of fear.
09:45Again, if you had a third stringer
09:47that you could remotely play, I might agree,
09:49but at the moment, it's just the extreme is so nuts
09:53that I don't know that you could...
09:54I mean, again, even if it was Josh Johnson,
09:56who none of us are saying is a guy you'd be comfortable with going,
10:00but at least you could play Josh Johnson for a game or two.
10:03That's all I'm saying.
10:04I don't know how you would do this otherwise,
10:05but sure.
10:06I mean, to the larger point, everybody needs work.
10:09It isn't just the quarterback.
10:10You need to get Stephon Diggs on time.
10:11You need to get the offensive line.
10:13If Alec Grady's actually going to be back,
10:15you've got to get rhythm with him and the quarterback,
10:18and so on and so on.
10:20So there's more to it than just the quarterback.
10:23I just...
10:24Look, again, if they're not bringing anybody else in,
10:26then they clearly don't have the same worries that I would,
10:30but that's me from the outside.
10:33We'll see.
10:35Steven Montez is available, if you're curious.
10:39He hasn't played football since 2024.
10:42He played with the Edmonton Elks.
10:45That's not the CFL team.
10:47I'm pretty sure the Edmonton team and the CFL are the Eskimos, I think.
10:53But he didn't get many opportunities after playing here.
10:56All right.
10:58Of the players that really helped themselves on Friday night
11:02with respect to making the roster
11:05or being seriously considered for the practice squad,
11:08who was on that list for you?
11:12Well, I mean, I think the two running backs,
11:14like I said before with Cater and Allen,
11:16like at least you saw the rationale behind
11:19what he could potentially do for them.
11:21So, you know, I think he's probably already in a decent position
11:24to make the team, especially now with McNichols banged up.
11:27But I think that just at least helps solidify that.
11:29And then if you're talking practice squad,
11:31you know, Robert Henry shows that he can be
11:36a guy that can make plays in space.
11:39And, you know, again, we go through this every single year.
11:42There's a guy or two as a skill player who you see in preseason,
11:46you're like, oh, my Lord, this guy's going straight to Canton.
11:50And then, you know, it doesn't always play out that way.
11:52But, you know, you need guys who can, you know,
11:55potentially help and make plays in certain ways.
11:57And, you know, like in the example of, say,
11:59I'm not saying they're the exact same type of guy,
12:01but in the knock on wood example that Bill were to miss any time,
12:04you know, maybe this guy Henry could be a guy that could come in
12:07and give you some of that, you know, elusiveness and wiggle
12:10and whatever that maybe you wouldn't get from some other.
12:13So, yeah, I mean, as a pure practice squad guy,
12:16he looked fun for sure.
12:22I mean, I think, you know, the linebacker situation is interesting.
12:27Allie Cahill and Kane Medrano are not the same type of guy
12:30in terms of the positions that they play.
12:33But it was Cahill.
12:33Medrano nearly had a pick six.
12:35I mean, it was right in his hands.
12:37Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
12:39But, I mean, like, you know, Cahill made this team last year
12:41kind of out of nowhere.
12:43And, you know, they were using him in that green dot kind of role.
12:48Medrano is more of the speed special teams kind of a guy.
12:52So, you know, I think that's an interesting dynamic.
12:54I mean, do either of them make the team?
12:56Or if so, which one?
12:57You know, that could signal, you know,
13:00depending on what they think they need more of.
13:02You know, that could be interesting.
13:06And I think also, like, I think Tyler Owens was interesting to me.
13:10Again, it's hard to get completely worked up over snaps in preseason
13:15because you don't always know what the priorities were.
13:17But the fact that, you know, he was a guy, like, on the very first play, right?
13:21On the very first play, he didn't, like, essentially play outside corner to a degree
13:26and, like, or at least he moved outside and defended the receiver out there.
13:30He played fewer snaps than Harris and Martin.
13:33And I say that in a positive way for Owens,
13:35as if they were like, well, maybe we don't need to see him as much.
13:38He played more special team snaps than anybody on the team last year.
13:41We already know that Ballour's out.
13:43Jeremy Reeves is probably going to play less, right?
13:46He can't play more if he's going to be a lot of safety.
13:49And so Tyler Owens, you know, I generally thought he would make the team,
13:55in part because he's just got these incredible athletic and physical dimensions
13:59that they'd want to keep playing with.
14:01But, you know, when you see how they're using him
14:03and potentially even prioritizing him over Harris and Martin,
14:07then that's, you know, that's interesting just in terms of both making the team
14:11and also maybe how they see him possibly fitting in the rotation.
14:16Yeah, back to the running backs.
14:17I mean, I actually, I mean, I think it's really hard.
14:20I mean, because we can go down the list.
14:22The Marcus Masons and, you know, just the running backs.
14:24Mack Brown, Lake Seastrunk, like just thinking about running backs that weren't.
14:32But he, the thing that stood out to me is just in sort of a zone run scheme,
14:37he's totally built for it.
14:39He's got really good patience, really good, excellent vision, good burst.
14:44He actually looks more natural as a zone runner than Katron Allen does.
14:49But, you know, they're learning a lot about these guys in practices,
14:54joint practices as much as they are in the games.
14:56But I would think that that's a guy that certainly helped himself.
15:00I just don't know where the room would be unless you decided
15:03that Katron Allen is a six-round pick.
15:05You liked Henry's upside more.
15:08Yeah, I mean, even, you know, Quintin McNichols could be out a few weeks.
15:12We'll see what that means in terms of the season.
15:14But let's just say he was out even longer.
15:16Like, if you wanted a fourth back, would you go with,
15:19Henry, would you go with Jerome Ford, who's a guy that's played in the league
15:22a little bit, can do more things, ready to go?
15:26You know, that would be an interesting dynamic.
15:28But, yeah, we're a ways off.
15:29And I would also say, you know, the conversation we always have
15:32about running back is not that they're a dime a dozen,
15:35but that you can always typically find somebody there.
15:37Now, I think it's smart for teams around the league to prioritize
15:40paying some of the better guys, you know, your Barkley and your Gibbs,
15:43if that makes sense.
15:44But it's still the same general idea, and this is an example of that.
15:47He looks like a guy that could play, that if you had to throw him in,
15:50could probably give you at least something, which is not the case
15:53at other positions.
15:54But at the same time, don't overvalue it, because there's a lot.
15:58We just say you can find running backs kind of here, there, and everywhere.
16:01And that's why, like, most camps probably have a guy like him who you're like,
16:05ooh, this is interesting.
16:06But that's the point of the running back position.
16:08There's just a lot of guys who can do this.
16:11By the way, I thought Antonio Hamilton Sr., and I went back and looked at my
16:15kind of recap for the Giants game at the end of the year.
16:18He played very well in that game.
16:21He's, with some of their special teams losses, like a guy like Nick Belor,
16:26who was arguably their best coverage guy on teams,
16:32I have a feeling they brought him back, and now there's – because of special
16:38teams alone, he's going to make this football team.
16:43Well, you know, that's the thing.
16:44Special teams has obviously took the key element.
16:46When you look at these last few spots, he did have, you know, some good highlights,
16:52I thought, as a special teams guy in the game.
16:54And, you know, like you said, late last season, he was standing at a bit.
16:57A little bit of corner, but, you know, special teams as well.
16:59And that would be his entree into making the team.
17:02Now the fact that Trey Amos is still out and we don't quite know his deal,
17:07now keeping a fifth quarterback seems more logical in general.
17:12So, yeah, it would just come down to how do you do that?
17:15You know, where else are you taking – removing away a player from another spot?
17:18But certainly Hamilton looks like that guy.
17:21And this is also the dynamic of he's, you know, over 30.
17:26You know, he was a guy they picked up in camp last year.
17:30In the middle of camp.
17:31Like, you know, can you put him to the practice squad and get him there?
17:36And then, you know, elevate him the first week or two if you need to.
17:39You know, those types of things they're going to have to figure out, you know,
17:42in terms of who they can expose or not.
17:44But certainly Hamilton looks like a guy that could play.
17:46And also, like, you know, Fabian Moreau, you know,
17:49he's a guy that was with Durante Jones in Minnesota.
17:52Right.
17:53He's a completely solid vet.
17:55He was playing – I want to say he was playing ahead of Hamilton,
17:59at least in this game.
18:00And I feel like even in some practices that's been the case.
18:03But, you know, again, it might just depend if it's a choice,
18:06what they prioritize more, perhaps the cornerback part
18:09or the special teams part.
18:12Ben Standing joining us.
18:14Jake Moody hitting a 29-yarder off the right upright is not good for him.
18:19And that matters in this kicking thing.
18:23And Stevens already had sort of a lead.
18:26I don't know.
18:27Stevens actually – I don't know if you noticed, the play was whistled dead,
18:30but he actually missed an extra point before the play was whistled dead.
18:34He went through with the kick and pushed it to the right.
18:36Ended up making it on the retry.
18:41But is it Stevens and his job to lose at this point?
18:47I mean, I would think so.
18:48You know, even going back to the beginning of this,
18:50it felt like as long as they weren't feeling nervous about a rookie,
18:56that Ty would go to the guy with the bigger leg and therefore more potential.
19:00And the fact that Stevens has also been more accurate to boot in camp,
19:04you know, I think would suggest that it's his job to lose.
19:10But, you know, I mean, look, we'll see what happens.
19:12I'd be curious to see if, like, next game, they're like, okay, kid,
19:16you go do everything, right?
19:19And we'll see where we're at.
19:20And if he does it, then there's nothing else to see here.
19:23And if he doesn't, then, yeah, well, then maybe it's still game on.
19:26But, yeah, it looks to me like Stevens is the guy.
19:29And, you know, again, it's that big leg aspect of it.
19:33You know, I think we're all going to be, you know,
19:35you always want the offense to move down the field as much as possible.
19:38But I think some of us sickos are going to be like, eh, that's okay.
19:40Maybe you stall at the 50.
19:41Let's let him kick one from 60 plus.
19:44Yeah, well, there was an opportunity in the game the other night.
19:46Hold on.
19:47I wrote this down on my notes.
19:48Yeah, I think I saw somebody say he could have kicked like a 61-yarder.
19:52It was, I think it was a 60, I think it was a 61-yarder.
19:55Yeah, because the ball was at the 40, I think it was a 62-yarder.
19:59The ball was at the 45, I think I wrote down.
20:01When was that?
20:01When did they punt?
20:03I think it was like the first drive.
20:08I'll find it.
20:09Whatever.
20:10Yeah, I would like to see that.
20:13For sure, I'd like to see that.
20:15I think it was the first quarter.
20:16And I think in that case, Quinn wants to see the defense.
20:18Yeah, they were at the Miami 44.
20:21So, seven, that had been a 61-yarder.
20:2461-yard field goal.
20:26First drive of the game.
20:28Offensive drive of the game.
20:29Yeah, and they punted.
20:30Right.
20:30So, you know, I mean.
20:31With their backup punter.
20:33Right.
20:34I mean, I'm just guessing that Quinn was like, hey, we want to do this.
20:36He didn't want that to be his first kick.
20:38Well, not just that, but also like, you know, you want to have the defense also.
20:42You know, it's not just him.
20:43You want to have the defense do what they need to do.
20:46So, give them the longer field to play with.
20:48Obviously, that first drive wasn't great defensively anyway.
20:51So, you know, give them, you know, the opportunity to do what they do.
20:55So, obviously, it's always a fun thing to do right before the halftime or, in this case, in the second
21:01half when it's a preseason game.
21:02But, yeah.
21:03It won't surprise me if we see him launch one of those here in preseason if the situation works out.
21:11But, yeah, that one in the first quarter probably wasn't exactly right.
21:15All right.
21:16We'll end on this because we've talked a little bit about this today because we talked about it on Thursday
21:20and Friday.
21:22You titled the section in your substat column this morning, Meme-ified.
21:27The sports meme industrial complex worked overtime this weekend to capitalize on the drama involving Jaden Daniels and LSU.
21:37I really hope that the people around him understand what they did and don't do that again.
21:44Do you think that that's being reinforced somewhere?
21:50Oh, I have no idea.
21:51I mean, you know, like, to do this, you know, look, I think we discussed this the other day.
21:56There could be something interesting in terms of the NIL aspect of it.
21:59You know, why are the guys who are no longer playing still having their name and likeness being used when
22:06they're presumably not getting any money?
22:08Separate issue from how bad of a PR blunder this was.
22:11Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:11No, I think so.
22:12That part was real.
22:13But the fact that they then decided to make this more public by going to ESPN, by saying, according to
22:18ESPN, that a Daniels spokesman said this was about the number five jersey at LSU.
22:23Like, these are the types of things that just seem to be a complete own goal.
22:28So then when Jaden Daniels comes out later and says, you know, it says that hopefully it's a private matter.
22:33Well, I mean, when your people went to ESPN and more likely than not, I don't know this for sure,
22:41but I'm guessing they leaked the cease and desist.
22:43Thinking that the world would back God's gift to football, you know, Jaden Daniels, that that can be the only
22:54thing they thought they could achieve is that everybody would come out and back them.
22:58LSU, Washington fans, football fans, football media.
23:02I mean, anybody with a brain in their head with any experience could have said, don't do this.
23:09It's not going to go the way you thought.
23:11My question is, I think he'll recover from this football wise here.
23:16It's fine as long as he plays well, but we can't have this again with the people around him.
23:23They've got it.
23:24They've got to take a major step or seven backwards out of this.
23:31I would hope that they got the message.
23:35Well, that I mean, yeah, that's that's the question.
23:37The people that decided to do this in the first place, do they understand the lessons here now, as we've
23:43all know, having walked through life in various ways?
23:46Some people like, oh, OK, that just was a bad choice.
23:49And other people don't see it that way at all, whether they're ignorant or arrogant or whatever.
23:54And they just think, no, we're doing the right thing here.
23:57Don't worry about it.
23:58That's yeah, that'll be the question.
24:00I agree with you.
24:00I don't think it's going to affect him here at all.
24:04But, you know, I do think it's yeah, like you said, this was sort of the get out of jail
24:11free card on this kind of front.
24:13And again, it's like, OK, man, like now you guys are this is a real thing we're doing here.
24:17OK, so, yeah, I do think it's an it's an important deal.
24:21What did you make of Dan Quinn saying he probably hasn't been paying attention to it?
24:24I mean, I get that.
24:25You know what?
24:26I haven't played that sound.
24:27Max said he had it.
24:28Max, do you have that?
24:29Will you play it for me real quickly?
24:30I haven't heard it yet.
24:34Sorry, which sound I was doing?
24:35I was doing Quinn on Quinn on the Jaden Daniels situation.
24:38Yeah, let me pull it up one moment.
24:41Yeah.
24:42I mean, you know, for people of a certain age, he went full Sergeant Schultz on it.
24:48Yeah, I don't know.
24:49And, you know, look, he was getting ready for a game and this, that and the other.
24:52But it was such news.
24:54I don't know how you couldn't completely.
24:55He said he was aware that Daniels had issued a statement, thought that was a good move.
25:00This, that and the other.
25:01But then he immediately pivoted to just how well Jaden would play in camp.
25:04And, you know, let me let me hear it, Max, if you got it.
25:11Do you have it?
25:12Not yet.
25:13Not yet.
25:14All right.
25:14Don't worry about it.
25:16Ben just gave the summary of it.
25:18So, yeah, I mean, I don't know what he's going to say to that.
25:21I think that, you know, of course, this isn't going to affect this team in this moment.
25:29It's preparation for the season and his hopeful, you know, rebound season in 26.
25:35It's obviously affected very severely the relationship that he has with his alma mater.
25:41I think it's recoverable.
25:43Other people don't.
25:44I think he's a good enough kid and certainly can repair that, you know, at some point.
25:49I think the thing that you just have to understand, I would guess, is you don't want this to happen
25:57again.
25:58This is not, this is self-inflicted.
26:01This is unforced error at the highest of levels.
26:04Anybody that they could have consulted with that had any experience with this stuff could have said, no, don't do
26:12this.
26:13In addition to, you're not going to get the reaction you want.
26:16The timing of it is terrible.
26:19Um, because you don't want it to happen again and be a distraction when the games are actually going on,
26:25you know, or I mean, I can, I think a lot of people are already, you know, putting it out
26:30into, uh, next January and February when there will be likely contract negotiations.
26:36Um, let's hope it, it, it's, it, that was a lesson learned for his sake, uh, and for the team's
26:43sake, for everybody's sake, it's a lesson learned.
26:45There's no guarantee that it was though.
26:47No guarantee at all.
26:49Right.
26:49And I do think like, I don't, I know I'm not going to do my best to not have this
26:52turn into the Bryce Harper national.
26:55Is he going to get signed with the Yankees bit that just hangs over his head.
26:59But this is the point of, if you look ahead, okay, the people that helped him make this decision will
27:03be the, presumably the people who are going to help him make other decisions, including the contract.
27:08And that's the one thing we're all going to be like, okay, you know, assuming he's healthy and assuming he
27:13should pull it, you get it paid and all that.
27:15That's going to be the big question hanging over it.
27:17And, you know, situations like this or make you be a little bit more nervous than, you know, you'd like
27:24to think you would be when most of these things are somewhat cookie cutter to a degree, but you know,
27:28we'll see.
27:29Yeah.
27:30All right.
27:31I will talk to you, uh, later on this week.
27:34By the padded practices, the next two days is the parent plan.
27:37So keep that in mind.
27:40So padded practices as in Tuesday and Wednesday.
27:43Correct.
27:44So the starters aren't going to play on Saturday.
27:48Right.
27:49I mean, it's trending that way, but you know, I mean, I guess if you don't play Tuesday, Wednesday, you're
27:56off Thursday, Friday, you know, then that, that gives you some time.
27:59And, you know, again, do I think I take Deron Payne's out there?
28:02I mean, probably not.
28:03Do I think some of the younger guys to be out there?
28:06Sure.
28:06Jaden, that's the, that's the big question.
28:10I, you know, um, when does training camp officially end?
28:16Um, it's this week, right?
28:19It usually is right before that second preseason game.
28:23Uh, no, training camp still going on for a bit here.
28:29I think it doesn't typically go through the last game.
28:32I think it goes through the last game.
28:34I think in recent years, it's ended earlier and earlier, at least, at least calling it training camp.
28:41Yeah.
28:41I mean, there is a point where it transitions where one day we're out there and the next day we're
28:45not, but I think that's going to be a bit.
28:49Usually that's like sort of around the point when they, uh, trim to 53 and that's, you know, when it
28:55all kind of ends.
28:56But, you know, look, man, I don't remember what happened yesterday, but I'm getting old, Kevin.
28:59I love, I love, by the way that, and I just saw this, that Ben and his sub stack listed
29:04all of the potential quarterbacks that they could bring in.
29:07And one of them was Phillip rivers.
29:10Yeah.
29:10I don't, I, can you imagine?
29:12Yeah.
29:12I'll come in and play third string preseason football for you.
29:16Um, I would have mostly joke, but you know, yeah, I know, but also because guys like Driscoll would be
29:24a possibility.
29:25He, I mean, he was, you know, he was a teammate of blouse, right.
29:28And he was here before.
29:30I mean, again, to me, without knowing Mariota's exact situation, I'd be calling Driscoll right now.
29:35I'm being like, come on in because he's an adult in the room, so to speak.
29:39He's actually done some of these things.
29:41Like, let's just say Jayden doesn't play.
29:43Then what do you, it gets true.
29:45Well, then what are you doing?
29:46You're going just with the two guys who have no experience.
29:48I mean, presumably right.
29:50Detroit's going to play their better guys.
29:51Right.
29:51And typically if this is the game, so now you're going to put a thing, Kelly, man,
29:55this and Sam Hartman against the lions team that possibly has a bunch of guys.
29:59And you want to see your own guys again, maybe it's too late for that in terms of a Driscoll,
30:03but like, that's how I would be thinking.
30:06What's the, I'm going to tell you right now what Detroit's going to do.
30:11Detroit is, oh, that's week two of the regular season.
30:16My fault.
30:17Week two of the preseason.
30:18Where's the number here?
30:23It's not up.
30:24There's no number on the, oh, here it is.
30:26Detroit's minus two and a half.
30:28So there's a number.
30:29So they're, they're less than what Miami was on the road.
30:32All right.
30:32I got to run.
30:33Thanks.
30:35Ben standing, everybody.
30:36Kevin Sheehan showed the team nine 80 and the team nine 80.
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