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00:00anymore. Okay, so
00:01Ken's going to do a lot of that fun stuff.
00:04He'll be intoxicated
00:05on everything. He's always waffling
00:08like, oh, today I hate Ohio
00:09State, but I like them. Might be intoxicated on waffles.
00:12I think he's got an Airbnb
00:14they're going to be covered too in case
00:16the weather is going to be a part of the picture.
00:18I do wonder if the weather is going to be
00:20a part of the picture for
00:21Sunday's game against the Texans. The reason I
00:23bring that up is Meglin,
00:26even though the Browns are underdogs,
00:27he says the weather could actually help
00:30Deshaun Watson
00:31and more notably
00:34the defense for the Cleveland Browns.
00:36I do wonder if there's
00:37any benefit to be gained
00:39by Deshaun Watson sitting out
00:42last Sunday. He was
00:43at the game. He had the
00:45shades on as he was watching.
00:47Had the earpiece in as he was
00:49monitoring what was going on.
00:51But he also saw something that I think
00:53was pretty stark in contrast
00:55to most of his games
00:57this year, which was
00:59especially in the fourth quarter
01:00and in overtime.
01:02The willingness of
01:03Shador Sanders to take shots
01:05down the field,
01:06the vertical passing game.
01:07Do you think you might see more
01:09of that, especially if
01:10Denzel Boston is able to go?
01:12I know he's kind of nursing
01:13a toe injury.
01:14We don't think it's anything
01:15that's going to cost him
01:16a shot to play in this game.
01:18Do you think it can help
01:19a quarterback to actually sit out
01:21and watch things from a different
01:22perspective?
01:23A thousand percent
01:24it can help a quarterback do that,
01:26especially in the scenario
01:26that they were in
01:28this week where he wasn't
01:29benched because of performance.
01:31He was out because of injury.
01:32And obviously we know
01:33that whole story,
01:34but he was there watching it.
01:35And less Lima about,
01:38hey, you need to take
01:39these deep shots.
01:40More of, hey,
01:42here's how we can complete
01:43these deep shots.
01:44If you're not going to be perfect,
01:45if the ball's not going to be perfect,
01:47I watched a clip,
01:47a cut up of Tom Brady
01:49throwing the ball deep
01:49the other night.
01:50I saw this video
01:51and I referenced it to Ken
01:53because of your social media account.
01:55I had like 10 takeaways
01:56on things I don't see
01:58on most Sundays
01:59on most teams today in the NFL.
02:00And the tweet you're referencing
02:02was like,
02:03I let the hate in my heart
02:05of Tom Brady winning everything
02:07cloud my appreciation
02:09for just how damn good he is
02:11or was.
02:12And my biggest takeaway
02:13was like, all right,
02:14because I got into
02:14the big argument
02:15with one of my buddies
02:16on Sunday
02:16when Denzel Boston
02:18made that catch up the sidelines
02:19and gets taken out of bounds
02:20at the one yard line
02:21or whatever.
02:21They don't end up scoring.
02:22But he was like,
02:23that was a horrible throw.
02:24And I said, no,
02:25it was not a horrible throw.
02:27I said, the miss on that
02:29is short,
02:29especially when you are throwing
02:31to Denzel Boston.
02:33Okay, Denzel Boston,
02:34six foot four,
02:35big body,
02:36potentially a Mike Evans type.
02:38He's got that kind of feel to him
02:39or maybe not a burner,
02:41but he can go up
02:41and win on these guys.
02:44And you see how many times
02:45at this year,
02:46and I have the numbers
02:47in front of me,
02:47Deshaun Watson on deep throws,
02:49deep passes this season,
02:51deep passes,
02:51and this is according
02:52to NextGenStats,
02:53deep passes are classified
02:54as 20 plus air yards.
02:55He's 8 of 29 on the year
02:57for 272 yards,
02:58two touchdowns,
02:59one interception.
03:00That's a 74.8 passer rating.
03:01Shador Sanders on Sunday
03:02was three for three,
03:04154 yards,
03:05one touchdown passer rating
03:06of 158.3.
03:07Now the difference was,
03:09Shador wasn't trying
03:10to be perfect, right?
03:11He was just giving
03:12his guys a chance.
03:13Now, when you just give
03:14your guys a chance,
03:15that will equate
03:15to some incompletions,
03:17but the point there
03:18is that if you miss,
03:19on Sunday,
03:20if you miss Denzel Boston deep
03:22and he doesn't have a chance
03:23to get his hands
03:24on the football,
03:24to me,
03:25former coach,
03:26former player,
03:27that is unacceptable.
03:27That is like fireable offense
03:29in my mind now
03:30because you just saw
03:31what Shador did
03:33to just give Denzel
03:34a chance to go make a play.
03:36And what Boston's capable of.
03:37And what he's capable of.
03:37And the other part,
03:38Anthony,
03:39is like,
03:39all right,
03:39if he doesn't catch it,
03:40he's either going to catch it
03:41or it's going to be incomplete.
03:42So just give him a chance.
03:43He's going to fight, though.
03:44At the very least,
03:45he's going to fight for it.
03:46And maybe the KC one,
03:47not so much
03:48because that one,
03:49you know,
03:49KC different, right?
03:505'11",
03:51a little bit smaller,
03:52more so that burner type.
03:53You got to be a little more
03:54precise on him.
03:55But every time you go vertical
03:56now to Denzel Boston,
03:57you need to give him a chance.
03:58And that is something,
03:59Anthony,
03:59to your question,
04:00you absolutely can learn
04:01from watching a game like that.
04:03Well,
04:03I do know this year
04:05for Deshaun,
04:06I think it's been,
04:08it's been drilled
04:09into his head.
04:11Turnover's bad.
04:12Yeah.
04:12And I know it's easy to say,
04:13but you're watching
04:14a reckless style of play
04:15around the league
04:16from a bunch of quarterbacks.
04:18And like Joe Burrow,
04:19turnover's not bad
04:20necessarily for Joe Burrow
04:21because he knows
04:22he's got two receivers
04:24that can go up,
04:25fight for footballs.
04:26And if they do turn the ball over,
04:28they're going to live
04:28to see another day
04:29because they can come back
04:31and put it on them.
04:32You know,
04:32they can have bad halves
04:33and then have four touchdowns
04:34in the second half
04:35or five touchdowns
04:36in the second half.
04:36But for the Browns,
04:37turnovers will quite literally
04:38lose them the game
04:40that put their defense
04:41in rough spots.
04:42And what I've noticed too,
04:44like Deshaun's not
04:45throwing the ball away.
04:46So they're basically telling him
04:47the only way we can really
04:49get the splash plays
04:50is for you to stay on your feet,
04:52create some havoc.
04:53That's a tough way to live
04:54over the course of a season
04:55because it also means
04:56you're going to take hits.
04:57You know,
04:57we saw Shador Sanders
04:59take that massive hit
05:00on the throw to Judy,
05:01which was a sensational play.
05:03But every quarterback's only got
05:05so many of those hits
05:06they can absorb,
05:06especially the 10-year vet
05:08like Deshaun Watson.
05:09Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
05:10And I think, you know,
05:11Anthony, to that point exactly,
05:13you know, turnover's bad.
05:14Yeah, the Browns are so limited
05:16as an offense
05:17that, you know,
05:18you lose the turnover battle
05:19even by one.
05:20You know, that is a 10-point loss, right?
05:22You're losing by two scores
05:23because they don't have the firepower
05:25to go, not yet at least,
05:27and we haven't seen it
05:27and I don't see signs of them
05:29flipping a switch on Sunday
05:30and beyond and being like,
05:31oh, we're a 40-point-a-game team now.
05:34Like, I don't see that.
05:34So they have to take that approach
05:36and I'm okay with it, right?
05:37And it is going to be,
05:38it does limit you as a quarterback
05:40because you are,
05:41in the back of your mind,
05:43it is, don't turn it over,
05:44don't turn it over,
05:44don't take that risk.
05:45You saw that a lot on Sunday
05:47with Shador,
05:48just a touch timid,
05:50a touch,
05:51he wasn't thrown with the anticipation
05:52because all week in his head
05:54he was probably,
05:55hey, if we don't turn the football over,
05:57we're going to have a chance
05:57to win the game
05:58and then that's part of the messaging
05:59that I think that they're getting.
06:00Well, until it got desperate
06:01and they really had no other shot.
06:02And then he changed.
06:03Yeah, then he changed.
06:04And then it was taking chances.
06:05We saw that against Tennessee last year too.
06:07Yeah, 100%.
06:07It seems like he's definitely someone
06:09who's thriving in those moments,
06:12scrambling around,
06:13get up to the line of scrimmage,
06:15maybe draw it up in the dirt.
06:17Yes.
06:17I mean, all those kind of things
06:19is where he excels.
06:20And the question for him,
06:21for Shador and his staying power,
06:23is going to be,
06:24can you do things in the flow of an offense?
06:26You know,
06:26not that Deshaun Watson's excelling
06:28in that realm,
06:30but I do think there was
06:31a little bit of a difference.
06:32I know for three quarters,
06:33most people are saying,
06:34well, for three quarters,
06:35it was bad.
06:35For Deshaun,
06:36did you see anything different
06:38in the flow of the offense
06:39and the execution?
06:40Flow of the offense felt
06:41very similar to me.
06:42Felt very,
06:43they kept it,
06:44you know,
06:44which I think is a good thing.
06:45They kept it very similar
06:46between Deshaun and Shador.
06:49Now, the one thing
06:49that has gotten lost
06:50in all of the conversation
06:52and kind of the recap of this
06:53is, you know,
06:54Shador is,
06:55this is his second year
06:56playing football.
06:57He played eight games last year.
06:58He hasn't played football.
06:59This was his first game
07:00in 10 weeks, right,
07:01of live bullets.
07:03He did,
07:04he,
07:04in my opinion,
07:05there were a couple throws.
07:06There was a couple situations
07:07where it's like,
07:07yep,
07:07that guy's open.
07:08I think of the fourth and two,
07:09right,
07:10just across the 50.
07:11They are,
07:12it's a 6-6 game
07:13and you're going in,
07:14they go for it
07:15and they run double slants
07:16to his left
07:17and both guys were open.
07:18KC won and Denzel won
07:19according to NFL terms,
07:21right,
07:22where NFL windows
07:23are very small.
07:24Shador was just a touch gun shy
07:25because he's like,
07:26ah,
07:26I haven't seen live bullets
07:27in a year.
07:28Which makes sense.
07:29You know,
07:29and that got lost
07:30in the whole,
07:31you know,
07:32hey,
07:32he played well,
07:32he didn't.
07:33And,
07:34you know,
07:34you saw it towards the end
07:35a little bit,
07:35him kind of firing up.
07:36But like,
07:37things happen so fast
07:38in the NFL
07:39that you just got to
07:39kind of be on it.
07:40And that's one of the things
07:41that you,
07:42when you talk about
07:43Deshaun and Shador,
07:44Deshaun's got a little bit
07:45more of that feel to him
07:46where it's not even
07:46taking a chance.
07:47It's knowing that,
07:48hey,
07:48Denzel's open on this slant.
07:49Well,
07:50that's a,
07:50you know,
07:50go back to Tennessee
07:51and he got the interception.
07:52But Denzel's open on this.
07:59Cool Ray in Bedford
08:00is Deshaun Watson
08:01playing for his job
08:03on Sunday
08:03against the Texans?
08:05No,
08:05because no,
08:06this organization
08:07and Tom Munkin
08:08is just liars.
08:09They don't want the boy
08:09to play because
08:11you guys are reporting it
08:13and everybody reporting it
08:13incorrectly.
08:15You know,
08:16Deshaun Watson
08:16was already cleared
08:17of a concussion.
08:19He woke up one day
08:20and said,
08:21I'm sorry.
08:22Hold on,
08:22Cool Ray.
08:23This call's got a concussion.
08:24You're breaking up.
08:25You're breaking up.
08:25Go ahead.
08:26I'm saying,
08:27y'all making it seem
08:28like he was under,
08:29protocol,
08:30concussion protocol.
08:31No,
08:31he was already cleared.
08:32He self-diagnosed
08:33and took himself out.
08:34That's what happened.
08:35And then he saw
08:36how Shador played that game
08:39and now he's like,
08:40oh,
08:40I'm ready to play now.
08:41So,
08:41I'm about to give you guys
08:43a spoiler.
08:44He's going to throw
08:45two interceptions
08:46because Munkin
08:47and Deshaun Watson
08:48is going to try to
08:49prove to everyone
08:50that Deshaun Watson
08:52can still play this game
08:53when we all know
08:54that the game
08:55is going to stop.
08:55So, Corey,
08:55are you saying
08:56he took himself
08:57out of the game,
08:58didn't want to play
08:58in that game
08:59against the Saints
09:00in the Dome
09:01of all places?
09:02I think,
09:03I personally believe,
09:04and it's not a fact,
09:05I personally believe
09:05maybe because of age,
09:06maybe because of the hits,
09:08he needed an extra day
09:09of rest,
09:10I don't know.
09:11But I believe
09:11that he took himself
09:12out thinking
09:13that Shador was going
09:14to not play
09:15as well as he played.
09:16And when he saw that,
09:18he needed,
09:19now he's like,
09:20oh,
09:20now I'm motivated.
09:21And he's going
09:22to throw two interceptions.
09:23He's going
09:24to try to do
09:25something.
09:25Are you rooting
09:26for this?
09:27Are you pulling
09:28for this
09:29so you can get
09:30the change
09:31to the backup
09:32quarterback?
09:33What I'm pulling
09:34for is something
09:35that should have
09:36been done
09:36in week one,
09:37which is put this
09:38so we know
09:39who our quarterback
09:39is moving forward.
09:41I think we do know
09:41who our quarterback
09:42is this week.
09:43He's wearing number four.
09:44No,
09:45I'm talking about
09:45for the future.
09:46I'm not talking
09:47about this crap
09:48that we've been looked at.
09:49We're still talking
09:50about since last year.
09:51I made a comment
09:51yesterday that
09:52all we did
09:53was replace
09:54up to an older
09:55Kevin Stefanski.
09:56We're having
09:57the same conversations
09:58that we had last year.
09:59We still got four
10:00quarterbacks on this team.
10:02We're still trying
10:02to figure out
10:03who the future
10:03of the quarterback is.
10:04We're still talking
10:05about Deshaun Watson.
10:05So you do not care
10:06that this team
10:07is five and four
10:08and has a chance
10:09to kind of put
10:10Houston in playoff
10:12hell right now
10:13with a loss?
10:14No,
10:14because I'm worried
10:15about my team
10:16moving forward
10:17because they're talking
10:18about building
10:18a multi-billion dollar dome
10:20and I want to know
10:21as a Browns fan
10:22that we're going
10:22to have a future.
10:24I'm worried about
10:25my team moving forward
10:27about who's the future
10:28of this team
10:29when we know
10:30it's not a 200 million
10:31dollar person
10:31who's not going
10:32to be on this team
10:33next year.
10:33The one thing
10:34I disagree with
10:35a lot of what you're saying
10:37but the one thing
10:38that I do take away
10:40from it,
10:40I don't mess around
10:42with head injuries.
10:42I've had a couple
10:43like they can be late,
10:45those concussions
10:45can come on late,
10:46I don't mess with that.
10:48I definitely don't think
10:49there's anything
10:50nefarious there.
10:50Now,
10:51I will say this,
10:52I've had some thoughts
10:54over the past week
10:54or two,
10:55like these are a lot
10:56of the similar conversations
10:57that we've had
10:59with the Kevin Stefanski
11:00era,
11:01the Kevin Stefanski
11:02teams and yeah,
11:03this is Todd's first year
11:04but a lot of the same stuff
11:05is being talked about
11:06and said.
11:07Well,
11:07look,
11:07there's no doubt
11:08that it is still
11:09very up in the air
11:11who's going to be
11:11quarterback for the
11:12Cleveland Browns
11:13next year.
11:13I don't even know,
11:14like if I were to do
11:15betting odds
11:16on who's going to be
11:17the QB starting week
11:18one,
11:19like,
11:20well,
11:20Shador would be on
11:21there.
11:21Yeah,
11:22he would be on there.
11:22I don't,
11:23I don't think it would
11:24be like two to one
11:25or anything like that.
11:26It would,
11:27the,
11:27I,
11:28this is a fascinating
11:29one because I believe
11:30my thought is this quarter,
11:32the quarterback for the
11:33Browns next year is not
11:34on the roster right now
11:36and not in college.
11:37I think that I also
11:38don't think we need
11:39to be trying to find
11:40the quarterback for
11:41when the dome opens
11:42in 2028 or 2029 or
11:44whatever that is.
11:46Let's try to win games.
11:47I just drove by that
11:48site a couple of weeks
11:49ago.
11:49A little dirt.
11:50I see,
11:51I see cranes.
11:52That's it.
11:52That's all I see right
11:53now.
11:53It's going to be sweet.
11:54I'm very much so pro
11:55dome,
11:55but they,
11:59this team though,
12:00I couldn't be more
12:01on the side of win as
12:03many football games you
12:04possibly can.
12:05Like,
12:05I think this is so good.
12:06The fact that they're
12:07competitive right now,
12:08the fact that they're
12:09competitive right now is
12:09so good for all these
12:10young players.
12:11Chuck in Sandusky,
12:13go ahead.
12:13You're next up on the
12:14fan.
12:15Hey,
12:15thanks for taking my
12:16call.
12:16What's up?
12:16It's something I want
12:17to say about the first
12:18three quarters about when
12:20Sanders was playing.
12:21Nobody's talking about
12:22the on-site penalties of
12:23the offensive line and
12:25other players.
12:26That was putting
12:27Shadour Sanders in the
12:28hole as a quarterback.
12:29No quarterback could
12:30have overcame that
12:31within the three quarters
12:31and he actually had
12:32nothing to do with
12:33none of those penalties.
12:34Everything looked good,
12:35you know,
12:36on his end,
12:36besides the team
12:37around him.
12:38Well,
12:38they did have an
12:39issue on the goal
12:40line that was...
12:41Which he missed
12:42three touchdown
12:43passes.
12:44that...
12:45Bang,
12:45bang,
12:4550% play.
12:46And then the
12:47second thing I want
12:47to say before I get
12:48off,
12:48I ain't going to hold
12:49you,
12:49is that Shadour
12:51Sanders is playing
12:52at his floor.
12:53Meanwhile,
12:54wow,
12:55Deshaun Watson,
12:56the 10-year veteran,
12:57is playing at his
12:58ceiling.
12:58It's obvious to see,
12:59so I mean,
13:00I think it's going to be
13:01promising to use it
13:01for Shadour.
13:02Thank you,
13:03Chuck.
13:03I don't disagree.
13:04I buy that 100%.
13:05I don't disagree with
13:06that entirely.
13:07The problem is if you're
13:08chasing ceiling right now
13:10when a team is above
13:10500 and looking for
13:12a playoff berth,
13:13I just don't think this
13:14is the week to make
13:15that move.
13:16And I don't even know
13:16if the bye week is
13:18necessarily the week.
13:19I think there is a
13:21locker room and you've
13:22got to also take into
13:23account those players
13:24who are out there
13:25hanging out,
13:26partying with Deshaun
13:28when they got off to
13:30the start that they
13:30got off to.
13:31And I think it's
13:32really important.
13:32And I agree,
13:33Chuck.
13:33I agree with what you
13:34said.
13:34We're seeing Shadour's
13:35floor.
13:36Again,
13:37we have to really
13:40figure out,
13:41hey,
13:41do they want to go
13:41for it now and
13:42develop him right now
13:43or do they want to
13:44go try to make the
13:44playoffs?
13:45All right,
13:45when we come back,
13:46I haven't heard the
13:47term dysfunction in a
13:49little bit when it
13:49came to this situation
13:51in the football team,
13:53but did it come up
13:54again recently?
13:55Also,
13:56the latest on James
13:57Harden and his
13:59battle to get in
14:00shape,
14:00this has been a
14:02reality show played
14:03out in front of us
14:05and on national
14:05television recently.
14:06We'll get to that
14:07all straight ahead.
14:08Plus,
14:09we've got Daryl
14:09Ryder and Nathan
14:10Zagura.
14:10Chance to win $50.
14:11Blue Falls Car Wash
14:138 o'clock as well.
14:14It's all straight ahead.
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