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00:00Damn it, Todd.
00:01Did he answer the question?
00:03No, you didn't.
00:04No, he didn't.
00:06Oh, Owen wants, Owen's doing Champions League already.
00:08Come on, Todd.
00:09Told you he was not going to name a starter.
00:11I was stunned.
00:12I didn't disagree, I thought.
00:13Did I disagree?
00:14Yes, you disagreed with me.
00:17I just didn't think it was a lot.
00:18He'll just say Deshaun.
00:19That's what I thought he would do.
00:21Damn it, Todd.
00:24That's right, I did disagree with you.
00:25I still think he's going to say Deshaun on Wednesday, but then there's no.
00:29Why start there?
00:30Why even bother now?
00:32Bring them both out.
00:33Have them both warm up on Sunday.
00:34The media gets to see so little of the practice anyway.
00:38Jeremy Fowler reported earlier in the day, because Todd has his press conferences at 2.
00:44And usually he starts at around 157 or so.
00:47So you always got to be there a little early.
00:50Yesterday he started like right at 2.
00:53And Jeremy Fowler reported yesterday that they were going to name Deshaun Watson
00:57the starter for Sunday against Houston.
00:58Which I think, I was annoyed that he did that, because then I'm like, well, why would
01:02anybody listen to us at 2 o'clock?
01:04He just scooped it.
01:05Well, yeah, but now there's an issue.
01:08Is that Todd says he doesn't know, and so now you immediately start to draw conclusions
01:14going, who's feeding who in the building?
01:17Oh, then the next part of that was.
01:18Who's saying what in the building?
01:20No, but then the next logical jumping off point was, or was he and another decision maker
01:27in the building is superseding Todd Munkin?
01:32Because those are the questions that get asked when that happens.
01:35But this, can I just be abundantly clear?
01:39We're going to get really deep into the fog.
01:42It's going to be a smoky morning.
01:45And you're going to have to be crawling on the floor, reaching for a door here.
01:49Above all else, let me please, please, please hope.
01:56Whether it be Shador, fine.
01:59I'd have questions because you won the games with the veteran.
02:03If it would be Deshaun, fine, but he ain't part of the future.
02:07He doesn't have a chance to be a part of the future.
02:09Like there's goods and bads and pros and cons and both.
02:11Just please let it be Todd's call.
02:14Just let the head coach make the decision for the football team.
02:18Please do not, please, please do not get in your own way.
02:23I'm serious.
02:24Please do not let me come in here in late December with some story going,
02:28Andrew Barry decided that he was going to take over
02:31and that it was going to be Shador Sanders after the start against New Orleans.
02:35Or Andrew Barry said it's going to be Deshaun Watson.
02:38Our ownership, please, please just let Todd be the one to make the decision.
02:42For better, for worse, for ugly, for great, doesn't matter.
02:46Please let Todd make the call.
02:49Just let it be Todd who's the one deciding.
02:52I'll roll with whatever.
02:53Or I'll support one of the two.
02:55It doesn't matter.
02:56Just please let it be Todd making the decision.
03:00Is it so hard to let the head football coach make the decision on who starts his football games?
03:04Please just don't let it turn into that.
03:08Don't.
03:08Don't.
03:09It's my plea to anybody on their way to the building today.
03:13If this was discussed and it was above Todd or something like that, just let Todd make the call, man.
03:18Please.
03:19So let's talk about it.
03:19You're 5-4.
03:20Can we not freak out?
03:21Yeah, let's get to it.
03:22And what I can't stand the most, now I'm getting agitated and pissed.
03:25I'm sorry.
03:26What I can't stand the most is like, hey, you're still above 500?
03:28And people keep going, well, you know, I mean, that's smoke and mirrors.
03:31You had to do this and the other.
03:32What is the record of the football team?
03:34What is the record on the football team?
03:36They are 5-4.
03:37If I look up any website, they are 5-4.
03:40They are not sort of 5 and a lot of 4.
03:42It's not like that.
03:44Okay?
03:45You're 5-4.
03:46Please stop letting seasons go into the dumpster before they actually go into the dumpster.
03:50If it goes into the dumpster, it's plenty explainable.
03:53Okay, I'm done.
03:54I'm sorry.
03:54Go ahead.
03:54I agree with everything you said.
03:56This is the hard part is not that I thought.
04:00I did not think Shador was irredeemable.
04:05You know, for the three and a half quarters or three plus quarters, he was pretty bad.
04:10And they couldn't even hand the ball off on the goal line the right way.
04:13And we were getting the autopsy on.
04:15Not that it was all Shador's fault, but pretty clearly these are the things that happen when you have somebody
04:20new in there.
04:20The younger version of the current Deshaun Watson.
04:22Yeah, and you have somebody new in there who has not gotten the reps during the season.
04:25He was running scout team.
04:26He did get reps in the training camp.
04:28But you can understand why there would be some issues operationally, right?
04:32You saw the look on Todd Munkin's face for three quarters, for two and a half hours.
04:37He looked like he was furious with the quarterback for most of that game.
04:42And then, yes, some Quid Sean Judkins, too, and a special teams player as well.
04:45And, you know, Jared Verse probably, you know, for the majority of the three hours as well.
04:51But you can see he was not thrilled.
04:53If you're reading the body language every time the camera showed him.
04:56I guess Howard, too.
04:56Make sure you get it.
04:57So, yeah.
04:57Yeah, you got to throw that in there, too.
04:59So, with all that said, like, this would be the easiest thing ever.
05:04You go back to Deshaun Watson for one more week at 5-4 to try to stay above .500 right
05:10before the bye.
05:11Like, it's kind of, to me, a no-brainer.
05:13The team was 5-3 with him, even if you didn't think Deshaun Watson was playing all that well.
05:19It's what 99.9% of NFL teams would do in this case.
05:23You go back to the starter.
05:25Yeah.
05:25He did not get Wally pipped because of what happened in the fourth quarter in overtime.
05:30You know, that's just not what a normal NFL head coach would do.
05:34I saw people comparing box scores.
05:35Yeah, that's just not what a head coach would do.
05:38That doesn't mean that he wouldn't go to him maybe right after the bye if Deshaun looked terrible.
05:42I still think that's a little premature, but whatever.
05:45I could see it because we know Deshaun's probably not in the future of the Browns.
05:50So, then you throw in this trade deadline, which got a lot of conspiratorial things flowing.
05:57Like, are they only not naming Deshaun Watson the starter because they want other teams in the league
06:04to think they're really high on Shador, and that, therefore, he retains some value
06:10based on what he did in fourth quarter in overtime, that they could trade him for another team?
06:14Okay.
06:15And I don't find that very believable.
06:17No, because if you were one of the teams that were like, hey, let me kick the tires on Shador.
06:21Well, now you owe us more because we might start him.
06:23Okay, you're 5-4, so go ahead and start him.
06:25Yeah, why would you start him?
06:25Yeah, exactly.
06:27Well, you've got to give us a third rounder now.
06:29Why?
06:30Because we might start him on Sunday.
06:32All right, you're 5-4.
06:34Go ahead and start him, I guess.
06:35I've called somebody else.
06:36In the same vein of craziness, I've seen people think that all of this is a precursor
06:42to a Deshaun Watson trade at the deadline.
06:45Now, that'd be something.
06:46I'm like, you're going to have to run the terms of that trade by me.
06:49That'd be something.
06:49You're going to have to explain that one to me, what exactly the value is
06:53and how the contract works out.
06:54So, either way...
06:56If Andrew could find a way that you're not hit with that massive penalty at the end of
07:00all of this or whatever, fine.
07:01Go right on ahead.
07:02Maybe there's a way.
07:03Jason Lloyd will join us at 720.
07:05I'm sure as hell he doesn't really know those specifics, but still I'll ask him why not.
07:09It just gets back to every NFL team would just go back to Deshaun Watson in this space.
07:14Why would they not have already affirmed that?
07:17And so, that's what makes me worried.
07:18Because I thought, you know, you decided to go with the veteran to start the year.
07:24And the guy who backed him up while young and more fun to talk about and doesn't have anywhere
07:30near the baggage as the other guy.
07:32And I know people get all worked up over his fan base over the internet.
07:35I don't care about any of that.
07:36Yeah, they're not worried about their baggage.
07:38No.
07:38We're talking about the quarterback.
07:39So, he doesn't have anywhere near the baggage the other guy does, but you still pick the
07:43other guy, and the other guy still has five wins.
07:45And yes, wins matter.
07:47Continuity matters.
07:48You're trying to hold on to it.
07:52And if Shador Sanders had played a tremendous entire football game, then yeah, I would have
08:00no problem with it.
08:01But now, I just, I think, okay, they look similar in so many ways.
08:07I just, man, it, like, I make the same arguments for both guys about, like, oh, the offensive
08:12line, the run game, that whole deal.
08:15You're like, there's a lot.
08:16And I'm just going, why are we, just don't, just let Todd make the decision.
08:20As long as it's Todd's decision, I'll criticize Todd, good or bad or ugly, whatever it is.
08:25I just want the head coach to be the one making the decision at five and four.
08:28Don't, don't do this.
08:28Don't do the Johnny Manziel stuff over again.
08:31Don't do this.
08:32Now, Johnny could not save himself because he was an idiot.
08:35I don't believe Shador is any of those things that Johnny Manziel was.
08:38That might give a weird press conference here and there.
08:40But, man, I don't want to deal with, I just, I don't want to have to go through it again
08:45where it's like, hey, you know, you still had your head above water.
08:47And for whatever reason, you just decided to stick your own head in the bathtub.
08:51Like, what, don't do this.
08:53What would the locker room say?
08:54Honestly, not that, I'm not trying to make it seem like the locker room loves Deshaun Watson,
08:59hates Shador.
08:59That's not what I'm saying.
09:00But the locker room also was believing in five and three.
09:06And, and again, I'm not putting the whole loss on, on Shador or anything like that.
09:09In fact, his, his comeback was courageous at times and was awesome, but it ends up in a loss.
09:16And the locker room is probably also assuming, yeah, we're going back to the guy that got us
09:20to five and three, that we were partying at his house for the people that didn't think
09:24it was too long of a trip to make that they were, they were enjoying that.
09:28They some Jared verse barbs at six, 12 in the morning.
09:31Okay.
09:31They have made, they have made, cause you know, you could call yourself a leader, but you know,
09:36Well, does he live in Hunting Valley?
09:38Yes.
09:38Jared verse ain't from here.
09:39I just told you last week, it's harder than hell to find that place.
09:42And they do that on purpose.
09:43And that's how they, how they prefer it.
09:45So, and speaking of Hunting Valley, congratulations to the preppers.
09:49How about university school getting it done?
09:51That's a hell of a win.
09:52That's a hell of a win down there.
09:53That was a mighty big win.
09:54Credit on that for how many days?
09:55Credit where it's due.
09:57They got a, should have put that in line of likes yesterday.
09:59The legal win midweek over Glenville and on the football field, they got the victory.
10:03Anyway.
10:04So all I'm saying is that there's no question who the leader of the team is, right?
10:10At least on offense.
10:12Well, nobody has a captain's crest on their jersey, so it could be anybody.
10:16But it's been, it's been Deshaun Watson and the team has acted like it.
10:19They've gravitated towards him.
10:21They've all spoke to it.
10:22And now you're going to bench him.
10:23Not just because, oh, there's a concussion.
10:26Oh, because we want to see what we have in Shador.
10:29Like, that's a weird thing to do when you were five and three going into this game.
10:32You better believe it.
10:33There's no teams would do that.
10:35So why the hesitancy in just announcing him?
10:39It makes people think that the building is starting to quake a little bit.
10:45Listen, I would pick Deshaun.
10:47You would pick Deshaun, right?
10:48Yeah.
10:49Okay.
10:49If he picks Deshaun, fine.
10:51If he picks Shador, fine.
10:54There's not that much of a discernible difference.
10:57I do.
10:57I would think that the veteran would know the offense a little bit better.
11:01Just please don't turn this into December and Berea, and things fall apart one way or the other, and then
11:08the leaks of, well, Todd didn't make the decision.
11:10It was made by somebody else.
11:11Just please don't torpedo yourself.
11:15Or go out and win.
11:17Whatever.
11:18216-474-0092.
11:21I mean, I just want Todd Munkin to be the one to make the decision.
11:25And I would still go with Deshaun Watson.
11:27I was not surprised when Jeremy Fowler put that tweet out.
11:32I was shocked when I was on the Zoom and heard him say that he has not made his decision.
11:38I was too.
11:38I sat at my desk and I went, okay, well, and then the phone lit up.
11:43It was our boss going, well, your show's done tomorrow.
11:45I mean, Kenny, I was surprised he didn't.
11:46Here we are.
11:47I was surprised at the press conference on Sunday that he didn't say it.
11:52Then the Cavs went out and walked around and got hammered.
11:54So, I mean, we got too much sports.
11:56There's too much sports to pack into a four-hour show.
11:59We haven't even gotten to Ohio State yet.
12:01Throwing their special teams coordinator onto the bus.
12:04Go ahead.
12:05Because that's their major issue.
12:06Yeah.
12:07I was surprised on Sunday night he didn't just say, yeah, we're going back to Deshaun Watson.
12:11He's our starting quarterback.
12:13What about this experience has not led you to believe he's a starting quarterback of the season?
12:17I don't know.
12:18I don't know.
12:19He's played well enough.
12:22He's looked the part.
12:23He's acted as such.
12:25They even started tweeting about him on social media again, which I didn't think they would ever do.
12:30Like, the people had responded to him in the locker room.
12:33The players had.
12:35And, you know, Shador did his job as the backup to almost help them win the game.
12:41I didn't put it all on him that they lost the game.
12:44But there were some issues there that you would expect from a backup quarterback.
12:49Like, you just go back to Deshaun Watson.
12:51Why haven't they?
12:522-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
12:54So, which one do you want?
12:57And I know that.
12:59I get it.
13:00I know.
13:01I'm getting the.
13:02Well, Kevin.
13:03Yeah, I know.
13:04I got it.
13:05So, what would you like to do?
13:09Just name Deshaun tomorrow and move on?
13:12Would you be upset?
13:14Yeah, I thought they should have done that Sunday.
13:15Would you be upset?
13:16Or would you think there's conspiracy afoot if they picked Shador?
13:18It would have me asking a lot of questions.
13:20Today is the trade deadline.
13:22It's also the Gales of November.
13:23Because you're right, Kenny.
13:25Rest in peace.
13:25That would be a very self-sabotaging thing if they put Shador back out there.
13:31He does what he's supposed to do against Houston, which is probably lose.
13:36Now you're 5-5.
13:37You're going to the bye week.
13:38And everyone's like, well, what?
13:39You're going to go back to Deshaun Watson?
13:41Now it's weird.
13:42Now, officially, the whole thing is off the rails.
13:44There you go.
13:45So that's the whole issue.
13:47That would be considered a big-time unforced error that I thought we had gotten past.
13:53Honestly, with Kevin Stefanski kind of stabilizing things over time,
13:59and then him getting replaced, Todd Munkin coming in,
14:03I thought we all understood the order of operations here.
14:06Yeah.
14:06This would be back to dysfunction land.
14:10So do you think it's Todd's decision?
14:12I thought it was.
14:13I pray to God it's Todd's decision.
14:15But I also think if it was, we would already know who the starting quarterback was this week.
14:19So you don't think it's Todd's decision then?
14:21I'm very curious.
14:23What other film do they need to look at?
14:26Well, wait.
14:27I didn't know if it was absolutely obvious that they go.
14:31I would go back to Deshaun, but I could, again, I could under, I wasn't blowing up anybody on the,
14:37on the phones yesterday who were like, ah, I'd go with Watson.
14:40Bull would go back with Watson.
14:42He said it on afternoon drive.
14:43Yes.
14:43Or go back to Shador.
14:44He said it on afternoon drive yesterday.
14:46I think, I thought, I just, I can't believe that a real, I can't believe that a head coach, I
14:51could understand a pundit who's thinking more about the future of the Browns than the right here and now where
14:57you don't really think they're going to win a Super Bowl.
14:59I do not understand why a head coach would do that.
15:01What, what, what, and yet last year, remember, we had a starting quarterback named Joe Flacco.
15:09It seemed that Kevin Stefanski wanted to stay with him.
15:12Can we not be silly?
15:13And he was traded away.
15:14Can we just not be silly about this?
15:16And that same upper management is still in power.
15:19Why do we have to be silly about this?
15:21Why do we have to be silly?
15:22Why does this always have to be, we're either, we're either going to be Super Bowl champs, which we've never
15:26been.
15:27We've never been.
15:28We've never even been in a game.
15:29Or we have to lose every game.
15:32Why do we have to lose every game?
15:34Well, Ken, we have to get a quarterback.
15:35Okay, name the guy you want.
15:37We already have five wins.
15:38Name the guy.
15:39Well, I can't name that.
15:40Literally, I had that back and forth yesterday on social media.
15:43And I like the guy.
15:44I was going back and forth with.
15:45I go, you're telling me we need to lose the rest of the year.
15:49You can't name the quarterback that you want.
15:51Do you see how insane that is?
15:54I hope we all do.
15:56Like, if you were like, Kenny, I believe in CJ Carr.
16:01I believe in Darian Mensah.
16:03Darian Mensah, who didn't have Malachi Tony, threw that effing team on his back on Saturday night.
16:08That's a winner.
16:09That's a gamer.
16:10Fine.
16:10Say it with your chest.
16:12Say it with some conviction.
16:13At least I can listen to you.
16:15But when we sit here and go, ah, Kenny, they're a paper tiger.
16:17They're no good.
16:18You're sitting there holding on to playoffs.
16:19We need to lose the rest of these games.
16:20We need to get a quarterback.
16:21Okay, who do you want?
16:22I don't know.
16:23Oh, okay.
16:24Well, then fine.
16:25We'll just continue to do what we've always done.
16:28I just keep teams that are in motion tend to stay in motion.
16:31And when they lose, they tend to continue to lose.
16:34And when you lose on purpose, it affects everybody.
16:37And so that's what you just hope.
16:38You just hope you're playing the lottery.
16:40That's all you're doing.
16:41You're sitting down there and you're scratching off tickets with people behind you in line
16:46waiting for you to get the hell out of the way so they can pay for their gas and go
16:51about
16:51their day while you're scratching off tickets, hoping that one's going to come up with the
16:55three cherries.
16:56That's all you do.
16:57That's all.
16:58The Dolphins, the Cardinals, the Browns, Washington over the years.
17:04The Eagles got caught in that quagmire for a moment before Howie Roseman.
17:08You just, you're just people getting in the way of the ones trying to compete.
17:13You got out of that realm for like a split second.
17:16Don't go back.
17:17Don't go back to it.
17:18All right.
17:19You got some good players here that we're excited about.
17:23Now I'm begging them not to do something crazy.
17:25Again, if it's Todd's decision to go with Shador, if it's Todd's decision to go with
17:29Deshaun, fine.
17:30I'd be so happy because you let your football coach do a football decision for his football
17:35team.
17:36Just don't, don't do this whole whatever that you've done in the past.
17:41Just don't do that.
17:43Don't let us find out in December.
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