00:00Three out of four guys on this show will go back to Deshaun Watson for Sunday's game against the Houston
00:06Texans.
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00:10John said he would go back to Shador, but he gave a horrible follow-up why.
00:18I didn't say, sometimes you just want to see somebody different, you know?
00:21I don't, that is...
00:23That's okay.
00:23You know, just in seeing what some people had said about, hey, we know Deshaun's not in your future.
00:30So they just want to see a different quarterback.
00:31Can I say I'm on the fence?
00:33Yeah.
00:34But I think if I was Todd, I would go back to Deshaun.
00:38Well, and that's what I'm trying to say.
00:41If I'm tasked with winning football games, I'm going back to Deshaun Watson.
00:45I'm trying to win football games here.
00:47I'm trying to still make the playoffs.
00:48Well, and it's just, you know, he has...
00:51These are things that Todd has done.
00:53He's very open about his age and his opportunities as an NFL head coach.
00:57He thinks it's the last one.
00:59And he obviously had the opportunity to start Shadour to start the season.
01:04And nobody would have faulted him had, after that Buffalo preseason game, he just come out and started Shadour.
01:11In fact, everybody wanted that.
01:13And I don't think anybody would really kill him if he started Shadour and then Shadour flopped.
01:19But he didn't.
01:21He chose the pariah to be a starting quarterback.
01:25Yes.
01:25And so, at that point, I think you've got to ride that wave until it's completely gone.
01:30And it might be close, but...
01:31Well, if you think, like, Shadour, it's not...
01:34I don't think it's an end-all, be-all.
01:36Shadour has no chance to be the starter on Sunday.
01:39I'm glad you brought that up.
01:41Because there is...
01:41I mean, you can be a little bit on the fence about it.
01:44You can be a fence rider about it a little bit and just say,
01:46Hey, Kenny, you said it yourself.
01:48You didn't think that there was much of a difference between the way the two guys played.
01:51And you also say that you don't believe that Shadour...
01:53Or you don't believe that Deshaun Watson's going to be here next year.
01:56So, if some guy calls in and goes,
01:57Kenny, I don't think we're making the playoffs.
01:59Lima, Tone, Owen, I don't think we're making the playoffs here.
02:01So, what the hell is the point of playing this guy that you say yourself isn't going to be here
02:04next year?
02:04For three quarters, I thought for sure it was Deshaun's coming back.
02:08Can't wait until Deshaun gets back.
02:10And then I saw the fourth quarter in overtime.
02:12And I went, boy, this looks a lot...
02:14This looks very familiar.
02:16This looks really...
02:17It looks like how Deshaun's fourth quarter's...
02:18Because, exactly.
02:19What were we doing?
02:19I mean, there was a game a couple of weeks ago.
02:21He had like 46 yards in the first half.
02:24And it's like, what is this?
02:25I think Shadour had 38 yesterday in the first half.
02:27Then through three quarters, what did he have, Deshaun, in the Ravens game?
02:32Went in like three quarters, he had like 71 yards or something.
02:36It looked like it was flirting with being under 100 yards passing.
02:41And then things turn up in the fourth quarter.
02:43And I think both of the guys, you learn what you can about the defense.
02:47Then you take what the defense gives to you.
02:49And then you know what?
02:50Both have made exceedingly good plays in the fourth quarter.
02:53That pass, I'm glad you mentioned it.
02:54The pass to Jerry Judy.
02:56Stood in there, took a shot, got it off.
02:59And Jerry Judy made a great play on the ball.
03:00And they were able to complete a first down.
03:02It was a big damn catch, a big damn play.
03:04Yeah.
03:04Yeah, absolutely.
03:05A third down, too.
03:06Yeah.
03:06Not a knock.
03:07Not a knock at all.
03:08Back to the phones.
03:09Fred in Cleveland.
03:10Hello, Fred.
03:12Hey, you know what?
03:13I got to agree with you guys, man.
03:15And I called in yesterday after the game, man.
03:17You know, just from looking at the eye test, I mean, Shadour passed some of it.
03:21But I'm still not sure he's the franchise quarterback.
03:24And I think we got a problem because we could have started Shadour, right?
03:28We could have started him.
03:30He could have got his games out of the way, right?
03:32And we would have had enough film and tape on him to say, hey, we know we need to get
03:36a quarterback or we don't need to get a quarterback.
03:39And then we could have put Watson in.
03:40But like you just said, we put Watson in first.
03:43So now you kind of almost got a ride with that.
03:45And we're going to have even a worse problem at the end because now do we try to offer
03:50Deshaun something if he comes back when he gets back on the field and he does continue
03:55to improve?
03:56Because remember, he's coming off injury, too, if we look at him as the human being and
04:00not the personal side of it, right?
04:03He's shown some flashes and some things.
04:05I can't even believe I'm saying this, man.
04:07But Deshaun Watson was showing that he could do some things.
04:10And I wonder what he would look like if he continues to improve.
04:13So it's just we got a problem.
04:14And that offensive line is a problem.
04:17And are we missing Jim Shorts?
04:19That's what I want to ask you guys.
04:20Well, we've given up a plethora of rushing yards before with Jim.
04:25And Fred, thank you for the call.
04:27We gave up a plethora of rushing yards before with Jim.
04:30That's nothing new.
04:31It's an attacking front.
04:32It's a front that shoots gaps.
04:35And when you shoot gaps and you're not reading the hat as much, you're just trying to fire
04:40through, you're going to get left behind.
04:42And there's been plenty of times where that happens.
04:44I mean, Mike Hall, you look at the attacking front they have.
04:46Mike Hall came up with a sack.
04:47Mike Hall also got passed right by a couple times because you're shooting through an A
04:52and you guess wrong and you can't do nothing there.
04:55You're out of the equation.
04:59I didn't need to do all that, but name your favorite gap.
05:02Oh, come on.
05:03Meet me in the A gap, brother.
05:05No, inside run is still inside run.
05:07It's a game for men.
05:08I'll meet you in the A gap.
05:10What about when you're in 12 personnel and now you got more gaps to have to worry about?
05:14Give me more grit.
05:16What are you doing?
05:18Where are you going then?
05:20Oh, so gritty.
05:23I mean, technically you'd have more gaps if you're in 12 persons or 22 persons.
05:28Get 33 personnel, I think.
05:30Get 50 guys on the field.
05:31Keep it going.
05:32Keep it going.
05:33You want to see more H back too?
05:35That's a little too gritty.
05:36Yeah, I believe.
05:38We got Michael Burton.
05:41I'd rather have Tim Burton.
05:44Hey, question.
05:45Why did that strike me so funny?
05:46If Harold Fannin just lines up on the goal line in some capacity and gets the football,
05:56is he scoring a touchdown?
05:57Can we talk about that?
05:58Probably.
05:59Yeah, on the two-point play.
06:00Well, remember last year, was it a – what was the play?
06:05Was it not Fannin?
06:06Was it Judkins instead when he went wildcat?
06:08But you would have ran from the two?
06:10No, I'm not saying two.
06:11I just thought the – I thought the play was not good.
06:15And then Shadur said afterwards, he goes, well, I booted out, so that made it worse.
06:20Like, yeah.
06:20It didn't make it better.
06:21Yeah.
06:21No.
06:22You know, I guess it didn't matter.
06:25Okay.
06:26Although, it was a pretty ticky-tack old call.
06:29I agree with you, but for a second, I thought – I thought you wanted to run it.
06:34I go, no, you don't want to run it there.
06:35No, I just – for all the things that I've thought about Kevin Stefanski, especially
06:40the last two seasons, the one thing that dude could do was inside five yards, he's getting
06:45a tight end on a crossing route, and Blake Whitehart was going to score a touchdown, or
06:49you know, guys that I didn't even know existed.
06:52Yolda Froholt was going to come in the game and do something.
06:54Oh, that's right.
06:55Yolda Froholt.
06:56Totally forgot about it.
06:57Plays for the Cardinals now.
06:58Yolda Froholt.
06:59So, maybe they should have just been like, hey, remember what Kevin used to do?
07:02We're going to do one of those.
07:04There's something Kevin does that you still want to do?
07:07Just the two-point play.
07:09Let's go to the phone.
07:10We would have never been in that situation if he was head coach, but –
07:12Jeff in Cleveland, hello.
07:14Hey, guys.
07:15Good morning.
07:16Hi, Jeff.
07:17You know, I've been hearing a lot of conversation about the first two quarters from both quarterbacks
07:21and how they both ended up kind of looking the same in the fourth quarter.
07:25It may sound crazy, but do you guys think Todd Munkin could be holding the offense back?
07:29Because I hear a lot about the guys that are scared to throw the ball and players are open,
07:32but they don't want to throw picks, and then in the fourth quarter when they have to make
07:35the throw, they just take it upon themselves and they make plays.
07:38So, maybe, I don't know, open up the offense more in the first two quarters, first two quarters
07:41and see what's going to happen.
07:42Just wanted to get your guys thought back.
07:43I would be more comfortable opening it up in a weird way, Jeff.
07:47Thank you for the call.
07:47I'd be more comfortable opening it up with Shador at some point because I just don't think
07:51he gets down on himself during games.
07:53I've seen Deshaun Watson get down on himself during games, but I think there's things that
07:57they figure out during the game.
07:59Their offense is still behind, and it's behind a lot because of the protection, and it's
08:04behind a lot because of the quarterback play as well.
08:07And I've done a lot of defending of both these guys today, but I also think that both of you
08:12or both these guys don't give you the greatest chance to win compared to the top half of the
08:16quarterbacks in the NFL.
08:18Well, that being pointed out, in the first, sometimes it takes you a while to unlock a
08:22defense, and I think it took them a while to unlock a defense.
08:25And then when you have a new quarterback playing for the first time this year who only played
08:28seven games before last year, and it's been a while since he's played, yeah, I tend to
08:32be a little bit conservative on the offensive side.
08:34I thought he did a good job there.
08:35There could be something to be said for being more conservative in the first three quarters
08:39that you haven't turned the ball over because of that, and letting it rip might lead
08:44to being down.
08:45I mean, they've shown you when they're down big, they're not coming back.
08:49It's not happening.
08:50They won't quit, but they're not coming back.
08:52And I'm glad you're bringing that up because if I start out ripping the ball all over the
08:58place and with a quarterback that the offense has changed, and he said he's going in for
09:04he wants plays in that make him a little bit more comfortable, and I respect that from
09:07Shador, but it's a new offense, it's a new year, this is your first game that you're
09:12out there, you start ripping the ball all over the place like that.
09:15And I know that they missed some guys.
09:16I think that they have banged it into both of their heads.
09:20Please do not turn the ball over.
09:23Because if you give even some of the worst offenses, including ours, if you give some
09:27of the worst offenses the ball at your own 30, you're going to give up six, you're at
09:32least going to give up three.
09:33And a whole lot of threes end up to something that you can't deal with.
09:37Like you have to play tight, complimentary football here to rip off a term from Gerard.
09:43God.
09:43So all three phases are going to have to be like the even the like, look at the penalty
09:47that you had on the punt.
09:49Was it the punt or the kick?
09:50It was the punt and the illegal touching on the punt.
09:52It was a 30 yard penalty.
09:54So bad.
09:55I mean, it's so 30 yard penalty.
09:57And I don't give a damn if he's a young guy that none of you know his names.
10:01No, but that's the only thing he needs to know.
10:03You're supposed to know that.
10:04He's on special teams.
10:05Like he needs to know that is lose your mind.
10:07I want to make sure I get his name right.
10:08Daniel Thomas.
10:09I mean, I hate to be that way, but there you go.
10:11Like that's a terrible penalty because you have to be, you know, you're playing from
10:15behind in so many ways.
10:16And so you have to be that much on and guys like when Winston Reed, I trust him implicitly.
10:22Donovan McMillan.
10:23I really trust him as special teams.
10:24Two of those guys.
10:25I really trust except for the specialists.
10:28But man, when it comes to that stuff, it's like, man, you got to know that you got pushed
10:30out of bounds.
10:31You can't be the first one to touch that.
10:32And you got to be screaming at somebody to stop that thing other than you.
10:35Because you're not allowed to touch a damn thing.
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10:41Browns did confirm 2 o'clock Todd Munkin today.
10:43All right.
10:44Maybe you'll get your quarterback answered today.
10:46Oh, I'd hope so.
10:48If he doesn't answer it.
10:49I don't think it's happening.
10:51I think he's got days to figure that out and he's not going to do that.
10:55Well, but if that's the case, then the expiration date is coming up for Deshaun Watson.
11:01Isn't that pretty obvious?
11:02If he can't just go out there, and I thought he should have said it yesterday, but if he
11:06can't say that today because what he's trying to fool the Texans.
11:10I don't think it's a fool thing.
11:12I think it's a he.
11:13Wednesday is when they start the Texans.
11:15Today is put it all to bed day.
11:18And I don't know what the way the week was and how dramatic the week was and emotional.
11:22And part of this was even the Jared verse conversations like, man, Sunday could go pretty poorly.
11:27And it didn't go that bad.
11:29When has Todd Munkin shown that he cares about emotions or feelings?
11:35I saw a lot of the same type of play from Shador that I saw Deshaun.
11:39And if you're thinking you're getting the same quarterback play, well, let's go with a young
11:42guy who gives us a chance to be around next year.
11:44So there ain't like there's no conversation.
11:48I would just go back to the guy that was hosting team parties after victories just two weeks
11:53ago.
11:54So that's probably what I would do.
11:56And I think that's what Todd will do.
11:58But if he leaves it open ended, I don't think anybody's saying to start Shador Sanders is
12:02crazy.
12:03You've not got a lot.
12:04We've had a lot of calls today.
12:05You haven't had me ripping anybody for that.
12:07Have I?
12:08Have I got red faced and angry over anybody?
12:10I don't think so.
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12:14I'm going to get to you guys on this again.
12:15Ken Carmen, Anthony Lima.
12:17I want all your vast opinions.
12:182 p.m.
12:19Today is when Todd Munkin speaks to the media.
12:23He will be asked who a starting quarterback is.
