00:00We had a college football head coach weigh in on this recently.
00:04In fact, he's the head football coach of a team that's kind of floundering right now,
00:09the Colorado Buffaloes.
00:10His name is Deion Sanders, and he was asked in a sit-down right there,
00:17was it at Folsom Field?
00:18Yes, right on the field.
00:19He had some questions asked about his son, Shador, and how he's coming along.
00:26Here's what Deion had to say.
00:28He's matured so much, and he's grown so much in the last year or so
00:32that I'm really, really proud of him because he's never had to deal with circumstances.
00:38And we've always dealt with chatter.
00:39If you're in that last name, Sanders, you're going to do a chatter.
00:42We've always dealt with that from youth all the way up.
00:44But the level of dysfunction that permeates around, it's crazy.
00:49But for him to rock steady and find his balance, it's wonderful seeing him mature,
00:54especially when we're in the same room.
00:57A lot of talk about maturity when it comes to his kid, which that was one of the raps
01:04on him when he came out.
01:04Now, any time we would bring that up, that the NFL people are questioning maturity,
01:08his fan base would have all sorts of allegations,
01:13and they would have assumptions based on why we in the media would say that.
01:18And his dad's basically like, yeah, he was immature last year.
01:21By the way, Todd Munkin said, oh, when I got there, you know, we've seen some strides in maturity.
01:27Which they're telling you, this was an immature kid when he got drafted.
01:31He bought his head coach a golden horse head.
01:33Which I thought that was a sign of maturity.
01:36Butter up your superior.
01:37They do say that.
01:38Buy a horse, be more mature.
01:40Yeah, heck yeah.
01:41Is that in the book somewhere?
01:42That's an old wives' tale.
01:43No, I didn't get to that chapter.
01:44Yeah, that's why.
01:46No, I wasn't the most mature at the age of 24.
01:49There's absolutely some growing up that needs to happen.
01:52And to Deion's point, too, of like, I should say Coach Prime, show him some respect there.
01:58But to his point, you have grown up in a spotlight where you are Sanders, you are Deion's kid,
02:03all of that stuff.
02:03And you'd think that there are a lot of positives.
02:07You're not scared of a camera.
02:08You're not scared of a light.
02:09But you also have heard your dad, who was one of the best athletes of all time, have
02:14a lot of confidence in himself and back it up on a football field.
02:18And Shador, I don't think, falls into the same category of player that his dad was.
02:23So he doesn't get the leeway of, hey, if Deion, back in his day, did a press conference where
02:29he just moved his mouth and didn't speak, and then went onto the field and returned a
02:32kick for a touchdown, had two interceptions, and had six catches, you're like, okay, yeah,
02:36you can do whatever the hell you want.
02:38And when Shador does that, a little bit different.
02:40So I think that that's part of the growing.
02:41And I think you saw it.
02:42I was pretty pissed last week when the initial press conference came out and he talked about
02:50the Saints thing and he laughed and all that stuff.
02:52I thought that that was a bad ball.
02:54That was a bad ball.
02:55Sunday after the game, Lyme, I think you tweeted it.
02:58I couldn't have been more impressed by how he responded to, hey, should you be the quarterback
03:02going forward?
03:02And he said, no, something to the effect of whatever's best for the team.
03:05I'm here for the team.
03:06And I was like, dude, you got nailed it.
03:09That's perfect.
03:10That's a perfect response.
03:12So it's like maybe he's growing even quicker now a little bit on that maturity front there
03:16too.
03:17Yeah, this is different for Shador because he's had to, for the first time, he's really
03:23had to earn a job these last two years.
03:26He didn't necessarily have to do that because his talent was such that it was a no-brainer.
03:30Like he was going to be the quarterback, you know, when he, when he finally got that opportunity
03:34in high school and in college, the step before he ends up going to Colorado and then, yeah,
03:40so it made sense.
03:41Why wouldn't he be the starter?
03:42Well, it's different in the NFL.
03:43You're not going to be gifted anything unless you're a first round pick.
03:46Like, and even now you have to wait your turn like Mendoza.
03:49And you're the face of a $5 billion company.
03:53Like, like put it in that terms as well.
03:55And, you know, the, the juxtaposition last week, I thought it was, I thought it was like
03:58perfect.
03:59It was Shador saying what he said on Tuesday or whatever it was Wednesday.
04:02And then Shuck like three hours after saying, getting the exact same question and just handling
04:07it like a pro and it's a boilerplate answer.
04:09It's fine.
04:09It's, it's very silly stuff.
04:10It's also useless.
04:11It's useless.
04:12And that is the point, right?
04:13That just be the face of the franchise.
04:16And to like, like I said earlier, couldn't have been more like, cause I view everything
04:20from when I used to play quarterback that, and again, it was at a very small level, but
04:24everything you do is an evaluation.
04:26Every single thing that you do from the moment you step in the building, from the moment you go
04:30to class, from the moment you talk to the media.
04:32You are being evaluated and you can being compared to the backup or whoever is in the
04:35competition with you.
04:37It made me very upset that his first opportunity was that, and it made headlines for the, all
04:41the wrong reasons.
04:42And then it made me so happy after the game when he was, he got it right.
04:46He got it right.
04:46Nailed it, dude.
04:47Just absolutely nails it.
04:48Everything you do is a part of that evaluation.
04:50All right.
04:51Did he use the term, did prime own use the term dysfunction?
04:55I said there was a lot of dysfunction around him.
04:58Did he mean it though?
04:59I think it's unclear.
05:00Was he talking about with the Browns or did he, I know the Sanders.
05:05I didn't hear a specified thing.
05:07Do you want to hear it again?
05:08Yeah.
05:08Let me hear it again.
05:09He's matured so much and he's grown so much in the last year or so that I'm really, really
05:15proud of him because he's never had to deal with circumstances.
05:19And we've always dealt with chatter.
05:21If you're in that last name, Sanders, you're going to do a chatter.
05:23We've always dealt with that from youth all the way up.
05:25But the level of dysfunction that permeates around, it's crazy.
05:30But for him to rock steady and find his balance, it's wonderful seeing him mature, especially
05:36when we're in the same room.
05:37The level of dysfunction.
05:38Now, that's going to be a lightning rod in a community, a football community like Cleveland,
05:43where you want to talk about permeating dysfunction.
05:46Who knows it?
05:47Who can spot it?
05:48Who can identify it better than a Cleveland Browns fan base when we've been inundated
05:53with dysfunction for so long?
05:55Although, I don't know that that's the apt term to describe the situation around Shador
06:00now, do you feel that this has been a dysfunctional setup for Shador Sanders?
06:05I do not feel that it's been dysfunctional.
06:07And I think, to me, that clip sounded like he said it and then immediately wanted to pull
06:12it back.
06:13Like one of those where it was already out and you're trying to reel it back in, but
06:15you can't.
06:17Yeah.
06:17I mean, saying the word dysfunction in the Cleveland world is like ripping a scab off because
06:22I think we're so, it's been that way for so long.
06:25But I think with Todd, this whole situation, especially the quarterback situation, in my
06:31opinion, even publicly, it couldn't have been more clear.
06:33And I'm sure, I'm not positive because I can't be, but 99% sure that behind the doors
06:39and inside that building, it was made very clear what the situation is, the length, and
06:44all that stuff.
06:44When I think dysfunction and Browns and quarterback, I think Freddie Kitchens.
06:49I think Pittsburgh started at Shirts.
06:51I think Romeo Cornell flipping a coin to determine a starting quarterback.
06:55But you have to agree that there was a level of dysfunction in his rookie season with the
07:01four-quarterback race and all of that stuff, right?
07:03Yeah, but this year it was two quarterbacks.
07:05And I agree with you, but if you look at the, if you're the Sanders family and you're looking
07:10at the grand overall picture of Shador's time in Cleveland, it has been more dysfunction
07:15than it hasn't been.
07:16Although recently it seems to be not as much dysfunction and they gave him an opportunity,
07:21you know, some people feel he didn't get a fair shake still, but a fair shake, but
07:26Owen, this is a, to be the starting quarterback this season.
07:29They gave him a chance to do that.
07:30This was a fifth round pick that had three quarterbacks ahead of him last year.
07:34Is this just a dad sour that his son wasn't prioritized for the first time?
07:39Or for the first time in his life, his kid was not prioritized.
07:44He was not a priority.
07:45He was a fifth round pick.
07:46There was another quarterback taken ahead of him in that draft.
07:48Or the term dysfunction and what he said was, all right, Shador answers a question and
07:53he wants to avoid a media question and it blows up into this major thing.
07:57And now he's got to answer it.
07:58It's the front.
07:58It's the first thing on ESPN.
08:00It's the first thing here.
08:00And that's self-imposed.
08:01It is self-imposed, but could that be what he meant?
08:04Maybe the dysfunction around like, all right, say one thing and it goes nuclear, even though
08:09he is a fifth round pick.
08:11I got to tell you, this is just, I understand.
08:13Man, this is a very famous, unbelievable football player, an all-time Hall of Famer, somebody
08:19that everybody rooted for.
08:20I didn't care whether you're inner city, whether you're in the suburbs.
08:23I had a poster.
08:24Ken and I were talking about our posters growing up.
08:27What's a poster?
08:28I had the Deion Sanders.
08:30I'm kidding.
08:30I mean, yeah, did I also have Mark?
08:32It's like a screenshot that you put on your wall.
08:33You print it out, right?
08:34Yeah, what's a poster?
08:35Did you have a Tony, Tony, Tony poster as well?
08:36No, no, I did have a Ricky Henderson and I had a Bash Brothers.
08:40Okay.
08:40So I did have the posters, but Deion was also up there.
08:44And I don't care who you are, like everybody celebrated Deion Sanders.
08:47His son is not the dad.
08:49His son is going to have to work harder.
08:51He's going to have to earn jobs.
08:53Like the Deion never had to even show up to practice.
08:55Like he was that good.
08:56He was that good, you know, and he just doesn't have the talent level that Pop had.
09:00And, you know, Deion is one of the best athletes of all time, period.
09:04I think he's a little salty that his kid isn't being given priority.
09:09Sure.
09:10Welcome to, you know, 2026 and life in the rough and tumble NFL.
09:14Yeah, and welcome to it not being the most prized possession because Deion was the most
09:19prized possession at Florida State.
09:20He was the top draft pick.
09:22He batted lead off for the Braves.
09:23Like all of the stuff that made you are, it goes back to you.
09:28You always hear it like be who you can afford to be and you're treated as where you are in
09:32terms of value, right?
09:33Deion could do whatever the hell he wanted because on Sundays, he was unbelievable.
09:36He was the best player in the NFL.
09:37And even at Colorado, okay, you had Travis Hunter and then Shador was right there.
09:42With the Browns, I mean, there's probably 12 guys in the organization that are being
09:47prioritized way ahead.
09:48Maybe 15 over Shador.
09:51So this is rarefied air and I don't think they love it.
09:54Earn it.
09:54I think it's tough.
09:55All right.
09:56When we come back, we've got about last night.
09:58We'll get to the Harden stuff.
09:59We'll table that for a little bit later on.
10:00An unforeseen QB controversy in the city that never sleeps.
