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00:08Can't find Mike, who responded to
00:12my Edmund Fitzgerald reference today.
00:15Can Browns fans think they'll make Whitefish Bay this season,
00:19but real ones understand that the Gales of November are here already.
00:26I'm going to a dusty old Holland Berea.
00:32I think I, will the, it was televised last year on YouTube.
00:36Will it be on YouTube live this year?
00:38What's that?
00:39The 51st anniversary of the Edmund Fitzgerald from Whitefish Bay.
00:42I think that's where they hold the ceremony is Whitefish Bay.
00:45I want to see it again.
00:47It's awesome.
00:48I got to read John U. Bacon's book, The Whole Deal.
00:51Yeah, 51 years ago.
00:53I already watched a documentary this morning.
00:55I didn't sleep.
00:56There's no sleep.
00:57No.
00:59I saw the Cavs last night.
01:00I'll get back to that coming up.
01:01I'll get to that coming up here in a bit.
01:03That didn't put you to sleep.
01:04A lot of people ripping on Gold Kenny, and I'm going,
01:06well, who put the team together?
01:08We got one guy with a name that starts with a K.
01:10We got another guy with a name that starts with a K.
01:11I think you're ripping the wrong dude.
01:13I mean, you can fire him.
01:15That's fine.
01:15But is that going to stop James Harden from walking around
01:18and looking decrepit?
01:20He was not alone last night.
01:22Okay.
01:22I can tell you that much.
01:23Just making sure.
01:24So, 216-474-0092.
01:26It is, like, I guess there would be some people who want one guy at the start
01:31or the other guy, and they'd be more than willing to just let the front office
01:36make that decision instead of the head coach.
01:37I think that's just psychotic.
01:40The front office doesn't spend much time in the locker room.
01:43Really, the head coach lets the locker room be the players thing,
01:45but, you know, they're in the meetings with them all the time.
01:47They're the ones doing it.
01:48Like, you're supposed to have the temperature of the locker room.
01:52And I would imagine still the temperature of the locker room would still be with Deshaun Watson,
01:58at least for another week.
02:00I didn't think Deshaun Watson, again, I don't think that they won in spite of Deshaun Watson.
02:05I don't think they lost because of Shador Sanders yesterday or on Sunday.
02:11For three quarters, he tried his best, didn't turn the ball over,
02:15kept him within striking distance.
02:17I mean, guys, my bar is obscenely low.
02:19I know that.
02:20By the way, we said that with Deshaun Watson.
02:22That's not just a Shador thing.
02:23We're not being patronizing.
02:25Exactly.
02:25I'm being as honest and brutally honest as possible.
02:29I don't know if either – I really don't think either guy is long for the organization.
02:34One guy has a better chance than the other.
02:36Shador has a better chance to be long for the organization than Deshaun Watson.
02:41But I just want the head coach, the people that we say we – or the guy we say we
02:47trust,
02:48I want that guy to make the decision for better or for worse.
02:52For ugly, for great.
02:54Just let Todd make the call.
02:55If he comes in on Wednesday and he says, you know what, thought about it,
02:59Shador Sanders is going to be starting quarterback.
03:00Fine.
03:01I want you to make the call.
03:03Chips, they fall where they may.
03:052-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
03:07Let me get to Mike at Akron.
03:08You're first up on the fan.
03:09Hello, Mike.
03:11Hey, good morning, guys.
03:12Thanks for taking my call.
03:12Glad to have you.
03:14I heard you guys talk earlier about maybe dysfunction, right?
03:17If we switch to Shador, then all of a sudden everything falls apart.
03:20Well, I think that the plan was from the beginning that they were going to turn over Shador.
03:24I remember when we talked at the beginning of the season, you said all four quarterbacks are probably going to
03:30end up playing because that's just Browns tradition.
03:31I think the Browns have outperformed what the expectation was and the talent level of this team.
03:38So I think that going to Shador now is not the wrong move.
03:42I honestly don't think that this Browns team is a playoff team.
03:47And I don't think anybody really feels the Browns are a playoff team.
03:50Even when the power rankings were coming out and the Browns were 5-2, we were below teams that were
03:542-5.
03:55So I really think, though, that the plan was in place from the beginning that Shador was going to sit
04:02for the first 8, 9, 10 games,
04:04and then it was going to be his team the rest of the way through.
04:06So I don't think it's dysfunctional if they make the move.
04:09I think it's part of the plan.
04:11I think it's insanely dysfunctional because they're 5-4.
04:14They might not be a playoff team,
04:17but if you find yourself in a position to try to make the playoffs, try to make the playoffs.
04:22You just got done saying we don't see a big difference between the two of them anyways.
04:27I don't, but I believe in continuity.
04:29And I do believe that they trust Deshaun Watson.
04:33They trust Deshaun Watson for the fourth quarter, for the first three quarters.
04:38But to your point, if now the way the situation is,
04:41if Deshaun goes out and starts with Houston, which I agree,
04:44I think that he should start at Houston.
04:46But if he plays a normal Deshaun Watson first half, he's not getting the third quarter.
04:52The way it's set up now, it's like it's not if he's going to lose his job,
04:57it's when he's going to lose his job.
04:58Well, see, that part I have to disagree with as well because I make the decision for the whole game.
05:02If I'm thinking about replacing him at halftime,
05:04then I can't make the decision with the thought to replace him at halftime.
05:09I'm making the decision that we're going to go out there
05:11and we're going to try to win with Deshaun Watson
05:13or we're going to end up losing with Deshaun Watson
05:14and then I'll make my other decision because I have a bye week after that.
05:18People are acting like Deshaun Watson has been what Carson Wentz was last night.
05:22That's not been the case.
05:23Mike, thank you for the call.
05:24And maybe Mike's not saying like, okay, that's the whole plan.
05:26Like, yeah, it could rationally turn out where Deshaun Watson is so terribly bad on Sunday
05:30that they're like, fine, you know what?
05:32Get number two, get his helmet back on.
05:33We got to get out of here with this guy.
05:34Let's go.
05:35Okay, that might end up happening, but I'm not making that plan.
05:38The quarterback that I put out there is the one that I want to win with.
05:43That is why I'm having such an issue here is that you're still five and four.
05:48I don't know why.
05:49Guys, I understand that a lot of us feel that this thing is going to end
05:54and probably end with us wrecking,
05:56but I don't need to jerk the wheel into the rocks.
06:01That's the issue that I have.
06:03You're in a position you can still make the playoffs.
06:07Why just take myself out of that position to begin with?
06:10If it happens, it happens.
06:12You're playing Houston.
06:12They're going to be blitzing.
06:13No matter what quarterback you put out there, they're going to be flying at you.
06:16And I did think Shador handled the blitz decently well on Sunday.
06:21And there was a couple times they sent everybody at him,
06:23and he just dumped it off the Dylan Sampson first down.
06:26Okay, that was fine.
06:29I mean, there's nothing, like, I wish it was so much easier,
06:32and I could go, guys, you're crazy.
06:34Deshaun Watson, this, that, and the other.
06:35I can't.
06:36I can only go by the reaction of the players,
06:39and I don't think it's been necessarily nasty reaction towards Shador Sanders,
06:43but there's just so much that's been given over the last two months
06:47where you made this decision in the face of the fans.
06:51None of us wanted Deshaun Watson to start.
06:54None of us wanted Deshaun Watson even in uniform after the Bills game.
06:59I remember being on the phone trying to figure out what is the out for the contract.
07:04No, it's $82 million this year.
07:06They have to do that next year.
07:07Okay, they cannot let him go.
07:09I mean, Mary Kay after week one, right, well, maybe they can just come to an agreement
07:12and he could be on the roster, but he's just not going to be around in Cleveland anymore,
07:16and they go their separate ways.
07:18You've been through all that.
07:19Now, you've been through all that.
07:20You've been through struggles together.
07:22You've been through that adversity.
07:24You're 5-4, and now I'm going to just pitch all that,
07:28even though I do have a natural break right after this game against Houston
07:32where if he goes out there and he sucks and you've lost three in a row and you're 5-5,
07:36it would certainly make sense to have that conversation.
07:39I just don't believe in doing it right now.
07:41I'm still trying to hold on, and I don't know why we just need to again
07:46drive the car into the building.
07:48I don't understand why that has to happen.
07:51Well, we won't make the playoffs anyway.
07:52That doesn't give me an excuse to be irresponsible with the roster.
07:56Well, you certainly can't say that now, and even with a loss to Houston,
07:58you couldn't say that now.
08:00And furthermore, you know, I think it discounts what Deshaun Watson has earned
08:07throughout the season in that locker room.
08:09Like, every win, every time they get a great weekend and, hey, we'll see you on Wednesday,
08:15whatever it is, like, that builds up a certain amount of equity within the building,
08:20and if you pull the plug on him, especially after a loss that he didn't even play in,
08:26I just don't think that works in a locker room.
08:29I think that's the kind of stuff that causes a revolt, if anything.
08:34I wish I could disagree with you.
08:36And not even because they don't like Shador.
08:37It has nothing to do with Shador.
08:39You can remove him from the conversation.
08:40You want to go with the guy who's helped you win.
08:41Yes.
08:41It's not a nasty thing about Shador.
08:43It's just the truth.
08:44Yeah, those guys believe Deshaun Watson can beat anybody.
08:45They can all love Donovan McMillan a whole bunch,
08:48but if you put Donovan McMillan out there in a starting role,
08:50you'd be going, well, I've got to pay attention to number 31 over here
08:52because he's going to need a lot of help.
08:54And I don't know if we're in the best position.
08:56You can love plenty of guys.
08:58Winston Reed, great special teamer.
09:00If you had to put him in there as a starter,
09:02yeah, you'd be paying attention to number 59 a little closer,
09:04going, he might need some help.
09:072-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
09:09I'm going to push up.
09:09The Cavs ain't going anywhere, hell.
09:11They're going nowhere fast.
09:12I'll get to them.
09:13Hell, Lima had a hell of a question earlier today
09:15before the show about the Cavs.
09:17And it comes down to fans as well,
09:19but I want to get back to you guys.
09:20What is the proper decision here for the Cleveland Browns
09:23as far as their starter?
09:25And I just, again, I wouldn't be in an uproar
09:28if they did pick Shador.
09:29I just want to make sure it's Todd to make the decision
09:31because I just don't want to come in here late December
09:33and there's some bombshell breaking story
09:35of people getting involved
09:36and Todd didn't get to make the decision.
09:38When you're 5-4.
09:402-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
09:42Ken Carman, Anthony Lima.
09:44Jason Lloyd, 7-20 from The Athletic.
09:47I'll ask him about this
09:47and obviously the future of Kenny Atkinson
09:50after last night.
09:50All right.
