00:00You know, getting him in motion, just different ways to involve.
00:05We also had linemen down the field like 15 times on any of these plays that offset hard-charging defenses
00:13that might bottle up your running game.
00:15Are you talking about early?
00:17Yeah, I mean.
00:18Because Andrew.
00:19You mean early as in like the first 25 minutes of the game.
00:23Well, the two Shador plays.
00:25I heard that, and that still might be a play-calling thing because I was listening to Nathan and Andrew,
00:32and they were speaking about the difference in timing.
00:35So that can throw off the – if you don't get rid of the ball on a screen.
00:38I don't think the timing has anything to do with the Pittsburgh Steelers standing right there.
00:41Well, no, but if –
00:42By where the play is developing at.
00:44But if you – that's true, but if you have a legal man downfield on a screen, that can also
00:48be like,
00:49you got to get rid of the ball because they're taking off.
00:50They're not looking behind him.
00:51That's only one portion of what the problems were in trying to get – overcome the lack of a running
00:56game.
00:56Oh, yeah.
00:56Which has been a recurring theme, save for one week.
01:00Everything was off schedule.
01:01I mean, that was – but it was like, man, like that's what's difficult with it.
01:05Now you got to bring in a quarterback that's cold.
01:07Why you get Deshaun Watson checked out?
01:11And he – like, yeah, like that's the difference in the veteran thing.
01:14Like, and this is not a Shador-Dylan-Gabriel thing.
01:17This is just the difference in like, yeah, if you got a 10-year vet back there, they know how
01:21to do that stuff
01:22because they've been doing it for a long time.
01:24Shador's inexperienced.
01:25Dylan-Gabriel would have been inexperienced.
01:27Like, you still got such a young room underneath Deshaun Watson.
01:33Taylon Green is a rookie and probably won't play much at all this year.
01:37Like, you don't have a lot.
01:39And so when you do that screen, and that's something that maybe people should be more critical of Todd Munkin
01:44for.
01:44I wasn't even going to start it about Todd Munkin.
01:46I wanted to get you going about Ryan Day.
01:48That's what I was trying to get you going on.
01:50No, I mean, if you want to go on Todd Munkin, you go right on ahead.
01:53But I was looking at Ryan Day going, man, I just – I don't – just lined up and got
01:57beat out there at USC.
01:58And I know that Fahey didn't play very well.
02:01I didn't – I didn't think like he just cost him the game.
02:05I just – or the season.
02:08No.
02:08I think he's inexperienced and he wasn't necessarily ready and played against a good football team.
02:13Yeah, well, but also –
02:15They are good.
02:16USC is good.
02:17But also a team that had given up a bunch of points to Rutgers and Louisiana.
02:19I understand that, but they still can score.
02:21And they were scoring and you didn't really have an answer for it.
02:24Yeah.
02:25With Jeremiah Smith on your team.
02:27It's very concerning.
02:28And they can't really – even though that was probably the – was that the best the Buckeyes had run
02:33the ball all season in that game?
02:36And so they've tried to make the job easier on the quarterback.
02:39Well –
02:40But that was – that was an insane game, the way it started out.
02:45You're down to 7-0 before you can blink.
02:47This is what plays with me here.
02:48And maybe I'm making an excuse for Ohio State.
02:50Maybe I'm making an excuse for Ryan Day.
02:52I know me.
02:54He's 6 – everybody's made a big deal.
02:56Daryl made a big deal about it.
02:576-4 in his last 10, Ryan Day is.
02:59But, again, I keep asking, where is the elite program this year?
03:05Like, I just said that to you during Lima Likes.
03:08Where is the – like, I think that people's expectations are through the roof for some of these teams.
03:14Like, you've heard Kurt Zignetti kind of go after the fans and go, like, guys, there were 15,000 people
03:18here in my first home game.
03:19And now you're complaining about that we don't beat teams by enough, let alone winning these games.
03:25Like, I think we're finding out, like, you are seeing the balance.
03:27Like, when you and I were talking about when Julian Sane got hurt and there were people going, you should
03:34have still been able to find –
03:35it's like, well, no – like, Pete Futek was saying, you got to find – you still should have somebody
03:40who's better.
03:40I'm like, well, no.
03:41If they can play at one of the other 130 places, they're probably going to get paid and go play
03:45at one of the under 130 places.
03:47Lincoln Keenholz was going to go get paid.
03:48Because it's not only you're getting paid.
03:50Yeah.
03:50When you get paid, that guarantees you're the starter.
03:53If you really want –
03:54Exactly.
03:54They get the best of both worlds by getting out of Ohio State.
03:56So, I guess if you have enough donors, I guess you can just be stupid and throw all the money
04:01in the world just to keep him as a backup if you really wanted to do that.
04:04I don't know how well that's going to really work out.
04:06Like, yeah, Dylan Raiola could have played anywhere and been a starter anywhere.
04:09He went to Oregon.
04:10I didn't think he was necessarily a problem last week.
04:12But does anybody set the world on fire over Dylan Raiola?
04:15No.
04:15So, that might be one scenario that that's played out.
04:18But I thought that that was a little bit surprising, that he was just going to go back and be
04:21Dante Moore's backup.
04:23Did you find that to be surprising?
04:25I did.
04:25Yeah.
04:26So, usually you're not going to find these guys, and you're seeing just how thin these rosters are.
04:31And think about it.
04:32They had to replace three first-round picks on defense.
04:34And in years past, teams like Ohio State, Alabama, it was always, we reload.
04:39We reload.
04:40You got guys to develop.
04:41Well, now you're plucking guys.
04:43They got a transfer from Alabama.
04:44They got a transfer from Central Florida.
04:46And their transfers have not hit.
04:49So, it's a tough thing to do to ask to replenish every year.
04:54Not the old way, which was, we'll get all the five stars out of high school.
04:58We'll have one of the best signing days and classes every single year, like Ohio State and the premier teams
05:04do.
05:04And then guys are in the system.
05:06And then, oh, he's coming up.
05:08He's a freshman now.
05:09Wait till by next year.
05:12That's gone.
05:13You're just like, hey, GM, how's that guy look at Central Florida?
05:16Oh, pretty good.
05:17Hey, everybody's throwing money at him, right?
05:19Well, we got to throw more money.
05:20Let's bring him in.
05:21Does it work every year?
05:23No.
05:23Are you going to seamlessly bring in outsiders every year when you lose first-round picks?
05:28No.
05:28So, I'll cut teams a break.
05:30The issue is that, you know, like I said, you're really 5-5 if the Indiana game doesn't buy what?
05:39A fingernail?
05:40Yeah, apparently.
05:41You win that game?
05:41So, they're 6-4.
05:42I forgot about that.
05:43They're 6-4 in their last 10.
05:45Mm-hmm.
05:46And you asked, is anybody good?
05:48Like, I kept telling people, you got to compare Ohio State not to their national championship teams.
05:52You got to compare them to the other teams this year in college football.
05:55Who are you scared of?
05:57Well, is anybody really afraid of Miami?
06:00Like, really?
06:00Oh, my God.
06:02I mean, right now, is it?
06:04No.
06:05Is it Georgia?
06:07No.
06:08They got a loss on their schedule.
06:10I know they came back after that bye week and beat the breaks off of Florida yesterday on Saturday.
06:15But, honestly, Miami, Georgia, is anybody terrified of Utah?
06:19Is anybody terrified of Notre Dame?
06:21UCLA is the fifth-ranked team in the country, by the way.
06:23Yeah, nobody's terrified of UCLA.
06:25Great story.
06:25Bob Chesney's a good coach.
06:26Don't get me wrong.
06:27But no one's losing it with fear over that.
06:30Like, you look up and down.
06:31Who's the scary program right now?
06:34And for so long, before NIL, and even going into the beginning of NIL, it was you.
06:39It was Sabans, Alabama.
06:41It was LSU here and there.
06:45A couple other schools here and there.
06:47Michigan, give them their credit.
06:48Indiana at the beginning, or Indiana now.
06:51But, really, I don't.
06:52Or Indiana last year.
06:54I don't know if anybody's scary.
06:56Like, you're just seeing how thin all these rosters are.
06:59And so, 6-4 with Ryan Day.
07:02Yeah, compared to Urban Meyer.
07:03Or compared to how Ryan Day started.
07:06Yeah, that's an alarm bell for a lot of people.
07:08But I'm looking at it more like, well, if we looked at it more towards the NFL and he was
07:116-4.
07:13Okay, you're 6-4.
07:15I know it's a voted-in playoff, especially when there's going to be a 24-team playoff next year.
07:21Well, 6-4 over their last 10.
07:24Yeah, I don't know if you can go 7-5 or 8-4 and make the playoff even at 24.
07:28But you're still Ohio State, so maybe.
07:31I don't know if it's as big a deal as we're making it out to be.
07:34It's just that a lot of people are Ohio State fans and they find losing to be patently unacceptable.
07:39Which, you know what, that's your right as a fan to do.
07:42But damn, when I break down the rest of the country, I'm going,
07:46yeah, they're 6-2 right now.
07:48They've got to get going on offense.
07:49But man, I don't see anybody just terrifying right now.
07:54Yeah, the issue is, Ohio State's not getting a savior quarterback anytime soon.
07:59No.
08:00So, how many losses are they going to end up with this year?
08:02Are they going to lose the Michigan game?
08:04No.
08:05Michigan's defense is really, really good.
08:07Michigan's offense is really, really bad.
08:09But is this Ohio State team going to be able to score against Michigan?
08:13Yes.
08:13And the confidence that you said that is if you haven't watched Ryan Day lose games to much inferior Michigan.
08:21I've been watching a lot of...
08:22Because Chip Kelly refused to throw the ball.
08:24I've also been watching a lot of this year's Michigan Wolverines, too.
08:27And it's like, eh.
08:28Because I've been getting really defensive of Kyle Whittaham going,
08:30you guys need to relax on this guy.
08:32This guy's a damn good football coach.
08:34But he's going to be, what, 68 by the time they have the game at the end of this month?
08:40Oregon-Northwestern's a tough out at Nebraska-Michigan.
08:46Eh.
08:47They can win four in a row.
08:49They can win four in a row.
08:50They're at home against Northwestern.
08:52That place is a house of horrors on the road.
08:54But I don't care if it's the old stadium or the new stadium.
08:57Playing Northwestern on the road for whatever reason really bothers them.
09:02Usually it rains.
09:03This one's at home.
09:04Just be okay.
09:06Versus Oregon.
09:08You're on the road at Nebraska.
09:09That might be a toughie just because, but probably won't.
09:12And then you got Michigan.
09:14Eh, you'll be fine.
09:1510-2.
09:16You keep the 10-win record intact.
09:21Be the first time since when?
09:232012?
09:24Be the fickle year, right?
09:25Yeah.
09:26Which, I mean, who really counts that?
09:282-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
09:30Should we be harder on Todd Munkin?
09:33After this loss?
09:34You know, it's a similar question to what we asked about Deshaun Watson.
09:39So, I think there's a lot of things here that they had to overcome yesterday.
09:43All right, we'll see if Daryl thinks that we should be harder on Todd Munkin after this loss.
09:46And whether or not this is just one loss and they're just 5-3.
09:50Like, I've been trying to tell you guys if they would have lost this game.
09:53Or maybe I'm putting my head in the sand and there's a bigger problem with this team.
09:56Ken Carman, Anthony Lyman.
09:57Take us with you to work where you'll hear Daryl in five minutes on the fan.
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