00:00Is the honeymoon over with Todd?
00:02I think it is, and I don't think it's a bad thing.
00:04It's like, hey, you gotta step into reality at some point.
00:06We can't be newlyweds forever.
00:08Like, eventually the boat docks, and you gotta get off
00:10and fly back to real life and start your life together.
00:13What happened to trust the coach?
00:15Trust the coach.
00:16We haven't even had a preseason game yet.
00:19No, no, no, no, no.
00:21Listen, I think that we all trust.
00:24Right now, we want to, but...
00:26I mean, hey, it's the company you keep, man.
00:28We don't have a quarterback yet.
00:32We don't know who our starting quarterback's gonna be.
00:35It's an everyday argument.
00:36I think a lot of Browns fans are like,
00:38yeah, I mean, we'll see whoever starts this year,
00:40but our quarterback's probably Dante Moore or Arch Manning
00:42or CJ Carr or et cetera, et cetera.
00:45Like, I think that a lot of folks are probably feeling my way.
00:48Because, guys, come on.
00:50We're getting ready for the first preseason game.
00:54So, if we don't have a grip on this,
00:57I mean, we have seen it before.
00:59You mentioned, you always mentioned the...
01:01Was it 2007?
01:03Yeah.
01:03Oh, yeah.
01:04You always mentioned the 2007 Browns,
01:06and that's a hell of a thing.
01:08But, you know, if you have to keep mentioning
01:09one year of the Cleveland Browns,
01:12it shows you how unlikely it is to happen again.
01:15It doesn't happen very often.
01:17So, I think that a lot of Browns fans
01:19are just being realistic.
01:20Like, again, when you and I were doing the thing
01:22over there at that golf course yesterday,
01:24a lot of guys felt the same way we did.
01:26Why?
01:27Because that's real life.
01:29They're popping by, shaking hands,
01:31saying hello, asking us about the quarterbacks.
01:34We all gave the answer.
01:35Nobody got in a snit.
01:37They were all like, yeah, uh-huh.
01:39I think that's the way most Browns fans feel.
01:42And it's about going through this season
01:44with the least amount of anger,
01:45the least amount of frustration
01:47that you possibly get to,
01:48and seeing if there's gold in the hills
01:50when it comes to some of the other players.
01:52Like, it's a big year.
01:53It's a big, big year to hope that
01:55Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion
01:58just aren't great wide receivers
02:00based on the dearth of wide receivers
02:02you've had over the last three years.
02:03It's a big year for Spencer Fano
02:06to not just be better than Jed Wills,
02:09but way better than Jed Wills,
02:10and also a better teammate
02:11and everything else that goes with it.
02:13And to be a first-round left tackle
02:16type of offensive line,
02:17he may not finish his career at left tackle,
02:19but, you know, we're switching guys
02:20all over the place,
02:21so we'll see where that goes.
02:23Andrew Filippone had a,
02:25or Andrew Siciliano.
02:26Oh, God, that's the first time I've ever,
02:27hopefully the first and last time
02:28I've ever made that confusion.
02:30Siciliano had a great point yesterday
02:31about the offensive lineman
02:32we'll get to coming up at 720.
02:34You know, there's a lot
02:35that we can still figure out this year
02:38because it's only Todd Munkin's first year.
02:40I have no plans
02:40on asking for Todd Munkin to be fired
02:43or entertaining a conversation,
02:45him to be fired.
02:46I think it's ghoulish
02:47and I'm not going to do it,
02:47but there's still things
02:49that you can get to this year
02:51that's going to make it for,
02:52not about momentum,
02:53but also like,
02:54hey, this guy's good
02:55and in year two,
02:56he should be better.
02:56In year three,
02:57he should be better.
02:57Like, that's what you're trying to build on.
02:59And then if you insert
03:00the right quarterback,
03:01then yeah,
03:01the Super Bowl window
03:02that we make jokes about
03:03with Mary Kay,
03:05yeah, maybe it'll actually reopen
03:07at some point.
03:08But it's closed right now
03:09and I don't know,
03:10you got good players
03:11in some places,
03:12but you also don't know
03:13what the building blocks really are.
03:14Well, and then I'll tell you
03:15the difference between
03:17like something we were at yesterday
03:19at Rain Tree,
03:20by the way,
03:20beautiful place.
03:22We...
03:23Now you're just naming names.
03:24We were talking to a bunch of golfers
03:27who were very different
03:29from the online presence.
03:31Obviously...
03:32And they were real in person.
03:33Yeah, the online presence,
03:34they have their guy.
03:35There's nothing wrong
03:36with having their guy.
03:36They didn't have an avi
03:37of BoJack Horseman
03:38walking up to you.
03:39Like, they were like right there.
03:40Well, listen,
03:40as much as I like to poke and prod,
03:43like, all right,
03:44you guys got your guy,
03:45you're unapologetic about it
03:46and you believe in him
03:47no matter what.
03:48And you know what?
03:48I wish everybody in life
03:50had that kind of a fan base
03:52regardless of what you do.
03:54You know,
03:54maybe we'd be a much more
03:55positive society
03:56if that were the case.
03:57But in real life,
03:59the people I talk to,
04:00they'll jump on board.
04:01They just want somebody to earn it.
04:04They don't want anything to be given.
04:06They want somebody to earn it.
04:08And if somebody goes out
04:09and earns it,
04:10and if it's Shador,
04:11well, how fun would that be, right?
04:13That is the gist I get
04:15from people in real life.
04:17Like, if Shador Sanders
04:18can come in as a fifth-round pick,
04:21somebody with all this attention
04:23with the magnifying glass
04:25under them,
04:26somebody who has been
04:27on social media
04:28since the advent of social media,
04:31then you know what?
04:32This will be awesome
04:33because they will support you
04:34in this town
04:35if you earn it.
04:36It's not going to be given.
04:37It's not just something
04:39that they're going to accept
04:41because they're being told to.
04:43No, they have a more discerning eye
04:45when it comes to that.
04:46And you know what?
04:47Maybe that's the way
04:47it's supposed to be.
04:48Maybe you should have to earn it.
04:49And I get it.
04:50With Shador,
04:51he's earned it
04:52with his fan base
04:52based on high school,
04:55college,
04:56two different places.
04:56But that doesn't mean anything here.
04:58That's just not the case here.
05:00And you know what?
05:01This first game on Saturday,
05:02even if it's off the bench,
05:04even if it's against
05:05the twos and threes
05:06and fours,
05:08that's a start.
05:09Yeah.
05:09Because the seven games last year,
05:10I think that almost was,
05:12while it was nice
05:13to see some good things
05:14out of Shador last year,
05:15I'm not even writing him off
05:17because of last year.
05:18No.
05:19Like, I was glad
05:21that he gets a start this year
05:22with an open competition.
05:23Let's highlight that
05:24because so many people
05:25just take you
05:26as the slippery wizard you are.
05:28But it's true.
05:29Like,
05:30you had a lot of things
05:31going against you last year.
05:32Whether you were Shador Sanders,
05:34whether you were Miles Harden,
05:36it doesn't matter.
05:37Like, there were a lot of things.
05:39I mean, we're talking about
05:39your boss getting fired.
05:40We're talking about
05:41whether or not
05:42the offense really works.
05:43People actively rooting
05:44against you
05:45who are Browns fans
05:47and my mentions
05:48because they want
05:48the number one pick.
05:49Like, there's a lot of things
05:51that were against you last year
05:53that just,
05:54at least to start the year this year,
05:56aren't going to be
05:56going against you this year.
05:57So that's why
05:58there needs to be
05:59some sort of thing
06:00as a fresh perspective.
06:02I mean, you watch quarterback.
06:03I mean, Cam Ward had to deal
06:04with a hell of a lot
06:05of nasty stuff.
06:06Now, he's the number one
06:07overall pick.
06:08Not a fifth rounder.
06:09But I don't think
06:10anybody should be giving up
06:11on anybody
06:12based on last year
06:13and after the type of seasons
06:14that they had to go through.
06:15When it goes back
06:16to what you're saying
06:17about Todd,
06:18this is the first time
06:19that media has really
06:21criticized him,
06:22that fans have really
06:22questioned him.
06:23And I do kind of like
06:25that he's come off
06:26a little bit brazen
06:27in what he said
06:29because I can't make him
06:30making decisions
06:31based on criticism from us.
06:32Yeah, we reserve the right.
06:33If he plays Deshaun Watson
06:34and he goes out there
06:35and sucks up the room
06:36and Shanoor Sanders is way better,
06:37hey, you made the wrong decision
06:39and that's going to stick
06:39in the back of my head
06:40based on all the other decisions
06:42you're soon to make
06:42as the head coach
06:44of the Cleveland Browns.
06:44I can't debate that,
06:46but he can't care about that.
06:47He's got to make
06:48what he believes
06:49is the best decision
06:50for the football team.
06:50So I think that he's
06:53probably still trying
06:53to keep an open mind,
06:54but I do think
06:55that he's probably
06:56honing in
06:56on what he's
06:57more comfortable with.
06:58And I think probably
06:59what he's going to be
07:00more comfortable with
07:01is the veteran quarterback.
07:03Well, and the other thing
07:04that is going to be
07:05so tough for us
07:06to speculate on,
07:08this really,
07:09what I'm about to say
07:10is so reserved
07:11for the guys
07:12that are there
07:13inside the meeting rooms
07:15every day,
07:16going over the film study,
07:18the homework,
07:19and everything
07:19that they have laid out
07:21for these guys
07:21as they are competing.
07:23But it is like,
07:25who's ready?
07:26So someone could be ready
07:28and worse, right?
07:29Does that make sense?
07:30Yeah.
07:30In a quarterback competition,
07:32like somebody,
07:34somebody might actually
07:35have a chance to be better,
07:37but just might not be ready.
07:39And it's skewed
07:40because Shador
07:40got into seven games
07:41last year.
07:43I'll keep coming back
07:44to this.
07:45Albert Breer
07:46went on the air
07:47last year,
07:48different times of the season
07:49on the afternoon show,
07:51and said that
07:52he was told by people
07:54within the Browns
07:55organization
07:56that Shador
07:57was never supposed
07:57to play last year.
08:01That's going to be
08:02heard as some big slight
08:03because we see guys
08:04all the time come in
08:05who aren't necessarily
08:05ready and perform.
08:07And I know it seems
08:08ridiculous in this day
08:09and age to insinuate
08:10that somebody gets
08:11a whole redshirt year
08:12in the NFL,
08:13especially if they played
08:14in college.
08:15And Shador played
08:15a bunch in college.
08:16He played at different
08:17levels in college
08:18and played a bunch
08:18of games.
08:19So that's going to
08:20be considered
08:22a terrible thing
08:23to hear about
08:23your favorite quarterback
08:24that he might have
08:27been drafted
08:28and the plan
08:28was for a redshirt.
08:30And yet he played
08:31in seven games.
08:32Yeah, there were
08:32good moments.
08:33Statistically,
08:33he was horrendous.
08:34But we all saw it.
08:35He did some better
08:36things than Dylan
08:36Gabriel did.
08:38And Dylan Gabriel
08:39played a lot of
08:39football in college.
08:40He's supposed to be
08:41ready.
08:41And he was a third
08:42round pick.
08:43That was a top 100
08:44pick.
08:44But is there a chance
08:45that in Todd Munkin's
08:46mind that Shador
08:48Sanders,
08:48this is a total
08:49hypothetical coming
08:50for me,
08:51that Shador Sanders
08:52is improving
08:54and they just might
08:56think he's not ready
08:56to start the season
08:58but especially
08:59with the offensive
08:59line,
09:00totally rebuilt.
09:01Let's let him gel
09:02a little bit.
09:04We had a caller
09:05who wanted to say
09:05that yesterday.
09:06I'm sorry,
09:06I was going to
09:07make you wait
09:07for five minutes
09:08until I gave you
09:08my answer.
09:09I'll give you
09:09my answer right now.
09:09It's absolutely
09:10plausible.
09:11It is absolutely
09:12100% plausible.
09:13Whether you are
09:14a big time pick
09:15or whether you're
09:15late round.
09:16Well, I'm sorry,
09:17they're just going
09:17to have to start
09:18accepting some reality
09:19at some point
09:19because it could
09:20be very well the
09:20truth and we could
09:21find out very
09:22publicly like,
09:23yeah, he's worthy
09:24of being on the
09:25roster.
09:25He's just not worthy
09:26of starting right
09:26now.
09:27Is that a terrible
09:27thing?
09:28No.
09:29Is that the worst
09:30thing in the world?
09:30It's not the best
09:31thing in the world
09:32but it's certainly
09:32the worst thing
09:33in the world
09:33is him not be
09:35employed in the NFL.
09:36That's what the
09:37worst thing in the
09:37world is but that
09:38is totally reasonable.
09:40Very few guys,
09:41the way we talk
09:42about quarterbacks
09:42today,
09:43are gifted and ready
09:45week one and can
09:47win at an NFL level.
09:48They're very few.
09:49Name them.
09:50How many guys
09:51burst into the league?
09:52All right, Joe Burrow.
09:53How many guys
09:54though are ready
09:56and can do it
09:57and the team is,
09:58the infrastructure
09:59is there for that
10:00guy to win?
10:01We always say
10:01Patrick Mahomes
10:02had a city year,
10:03the Aaron Rodgers
10:04situation,
10:05Josh Allen was
10:06terrible.
10:07I mean,
10:07he was not a good
10:08quarterback for what?
10:09Two years?
10:10Two and a half?
10:11Well, yeah.
10:12I mean,
10:12there was,
10:13the best thing
10:14that happened to
10:14Josh Allen was
10:15his month out
10:15because of the
10:16injury.
10:16injury.
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