00:14and we are on to training camp
00:17I would think last night
00:19has everybody on the same page
00:20it's three straight losses for the Tigers
00:23we're inside a week from the trade deadline
00:25they're 50 and 57
00:27they'll spend over 90 days this year
00:29with a losing record
00:30they'll be below 500 on deadline day
00:33Scott Harris
00:34we can find out if you have the chops to pull this off
00:37you gotta trade Tarek Skubel
00:38you're sellers
00:39the decision's been made
00:43I don't think there's any question about it
00:45decision should
00:47already have been made
00:48but I think this clarifies it
00:50we get to figure out if Scott Harris can pull this off
00:52he has not had good trade deadlines here in Detroit
00:54but now he has a clear directive and a direction
00:56and you have to trade Tarek Skubel
00:58and he's got the number one trade piece
01:00not just this year
01:00but probably
01:02you could say
01:03it's the number one trade piece on the market
01:05in the last 10 years
01:07Juan Soto would probably be
01:09because of the control
01:10and an everyday player
01:11but there are few examples
01:13of a player this impactful
01:14being available at a trade deadline
01:16yeah
01:16and then the argument is
01:17everyday player versus pitcher
01:19that's going to pitch every five days
01:20but he's a two-time Cy Young award winning pitcher
01:23who is pitching really good right now
01:25he is
01:27should he pitch again in a Tiger uniform
01:31no
01:32I know he's supposed to pitch Wednesday night
01:34and I would
01:36not try them out there
01:38and it's not a matter of
01:40at this point it's not a matter of wins and losses
01:42it is simply a matter of
01:44I don't want any risk of
01:46remember it was what two years ago
01:48I think it was at the end of the season
01:49when we're
01:50going on this historic run
01:52and he took a couple of hard line drives
01:54off of his glove hand
01:57I don't want anything fluke like that to happen
02:00if they're going to sell him
02:03then he is done playing as a Tiger
02:05if your mind's made up
02:07only bad things could happen
02:10it's not like him going out and dazzling
02:12and throwing 12 strikeouts
02:13is going to increase his value
02:14but only bad things can happen
02:15if he were to get injured
02:17if something were to happen
02:18right
02:19and the performance
02:21is irrelevant
02:22could be a good outing
02:23could be a bad outing
02:24it's irrelevant
02:25his resume is what it is
02:29they should
02:29try to trade him
02:31today
02:32sure
02:32they should be trying to trade
02:34actively trade him
02:35every second of every day
02:37right now
02:38it is calls
02:39it is trying to
02:39you know
02:40pit teams against each other
02:41get the maximum return
02:43and that's really what it's going to come down to
02:44for Scott Harris
02:45is
02:46what does the return look like
02:48I don't care where he goes
02:49and this is not a
02:51hey you know
02:51we got these two options
02:52we're going to give
02:53you know
02:53scoops
02:54you want to
02:54you want to
02:54you want to go to LA
02:55you want to go to New York
02:57no
02:57it is
02:58how
02:58who
02:59where can you get
03:00the best return
03:02for the asset that you have
03:04that is Tarek Scoobal
03:05so let me just start with
03:06I agree with you
03:07I don't need to see him pitch Wednesday
03:09I'm with you
03:11does this hurt their leverage in any way
03:12by pulling him off the mound
03:14conceding that he's sellers
03:16I think it's kind of obvious
03:17I don't think there's any harm in doing that
03:18no I don't think so either
03:19and how would you react
03:21fans that have already bought tickets for this game
03:23too bad
03:23that's just the risk you take
03:25when you buy tickets to a baseball game
03:26right
03:26yeah
03:27sorry
03:27I mean we already had the bobblehead days
03:30right
03:31part one and part two
03:32yeah
03:32so there's
03:33there's nothing
03:34and he had his moment Friday night
03:35it's not like this is
03:36yeah
03:37he had the standing ovation
03:38he had the 12 strikeouts
03:40it was
03:41it was
03:42it was the send off
03:43a star like that should have
03:45so no bickering between the two of us
03:47I wonder if the audience is on the same page
03:49Tom
03:50any pros and cons for
03:51either pitching him or not tomorrow night
03:54I mean
03:55if you don't pitch him
03:56then
03:57they're saying he's available
03:59which is not a secret
04:00right
04:01exactly
04:01that they're
04:03he's officially on the market
04:05for sale sign in front of the house
04:07yeah
04:07so
04:08what
04:09you're showing your hand
04:10I guess is the
04:11I don't know that there's
04:13you're bluffing
04:13who cares
04:14yeah but
04:14hold on
04:15yeah
04:16you're bluffing
04:17if you pitch him
04:18but the cards are facing everybody else
04:21so what good's your bluff
04:22everybody sees it
04:24the only reason you pitch him
04:26is if you're unsure
04:28that you can get the return that you want
04:30and
04:31because if you don't pitch him
04:31you're sending the signal to the fans
04:33Tarek Skubal's gone
04:34and then all of a sudden
04:36hey
04:36he's not moved
04:37and then he pitches again
04:38now it's a
04:39it's a complete red flag
04:41that you weren't able to consummate a trade
04:43you weren't able to get the deal done
04:45that you screwed up
04:46it'd be egg on your face
04:47yeah
04:47now here's
04:48here's a key
04:50don't have egg on your face
04:51do the job right
04:51that's what you're paid to do
04:52navigate these tough situations
04:54create a market
04:55and get the best return possible
04:56I mean that's why I say
04:57it's Scott Harris on the clock
04:59we get to find out
04:59if he's got the chops for this
05:00we've not been happy
05:01with many of his trade deadlines
05:02last year as a buyer
05:03we'll see about this year as a seller
05:05but you go back to his first deadline
05:07with Eduardo Rodriguez
05:08now I think he gets
05:09some credit in hindsight
05:11for how you lead
05:11but in totality
05:12his deadlines have been underwhelming
05:14you got a chance to rewrite that narrative
05:15make the best of a bad situation
05:17you actually now have the benefit of clarity
05:20I know nobody likes losing
05:21this three game losing streaks
05:23gives them clarity
05:23there's no playing pretend anymore
05:26well what if we're still at
05:27you're not
05:28right
05:29we've had a losing record
05:29for 90 plus days
05:30when we get to the trade deadline
05:31there's no charades
05:33there's no make-believes
05:34there's no
05:34well golly
05:36it's 2024
05:37you had this stat
05:39they have a worse record now
05:40than in 2024
05:41through the same number of games
05:43so what do they do in 2024
05:45it's almost the exact same
05:46they're 50 and 57 right now
05:48that season
05:50they were 52 and 55
05:51so
05:52if the 24 team could sell
05:55you can sell to
05:57teams with losing records sell
05:58let's not overthink this guys
06:00right
06:03so we both think
06:04that he shouldn't play
06:06what do you think
06:07the Tigers will do
06:08oh he's gonna be pitching
06:08on Wednesday baby
06:12every game matters
06:14and every win will matter
06:16especially if they sell him
06:18and they are still going to attempt
06:19to make the postseason
06:20which is possible
06:22sure
06:22but let's just call it what it is
06:25hey let the Tigers do
06:27whatever they're gonna do
06:29and we'll keep it going
06:30in the background
06:32and if they make a run
06:33hey
06:34it will be
06:35it will be fun
06:37but I think the appropriate
06:39mindset is
06:402024
06:40was a fluke
06:42it was a miracle
06:42it was magical
06:43that's part of what made it special
06:44it should not be expected
06:46it should not be how you operate
06:47your baseball team going
06:48every couple years
06:49we get a miracle
06:50right
06:50that's not how this works
06:51all right
06:52so
06:53we all want him traded
06:55yes
06:55does he have to be traded
06:57no matter what
06:59so what I'm putting on the table is
07:01if he can't get the return
07:02what if you don't like the return
07:03what where's the
07:05is the criticism of Scott Harris
07:07then he should have done this sooner
07:11let me just first brace
07:12with the degree of skepticism
07:15that there isn't going to be
07:16a legitimate offer
07:19because if he walks at the end of the year
07:21they get a draft pick
07:22I have to believe
07:24there is a better offer
07:26than a draft pick
07:27that has been made to this team
07:31like let's use common sense
07:33someone has to be offering
07:34more than a draft pick
07:36oh yeah
07:37there's going to be prospects
07:38that are going to get moved
07:39so if he can't consummate the trade
07:42I'm not really sure
07:42I'm in the business of finding excuses for him
07:45all right
07:46so ESPN just posted this story
07:48at 7 o'clock this morning
07:49so I'm throwing this at you guys
07:50you don't know
07:51prep really
07:52but
07:52yeah
07:52you know they have two massive
07:54trades that the Tigers can make
07:56they have a bunch
07:56like 10 massive trades total
07:58but two of the Tigers
07:58will make with Scoble
07:59first one's the Brewers
08:01and it's centered around
08:02Logan Henderson
08:03great
08:03who's a
08:04you'd be good with that
08:06I would too
08:08the other one
08:09is with Tampa
08:10who I believe
08:12should be one of the teams
08:13that really pushes here
08:14it's a great opportunity
08:15with Judge out
08:17and the Yankees
08:17banged up
08:18now Bellinger's out
08:19for the Rays to try to
08:21like thread their needle to
08:22once
08:23it's kind of like the Brewers argument
08:24on the American League side
08:26right
08:26where the economical team
08:28the team that usually doesn't buy big
08:30goes ahead and buys big
08:31the CC Sabathia back in the day
08:32right
08:33so
08:35Passon
08:36is the one that had the proposal
08:37for
08:39the Rays
08:40and he stopped short of getting
08:42Theo Gillen
08:43which is their number one prospect
08:44ninth overall in baseball
08:45I'd say no to Tampa then
08:46because the next best offer
08:48he includes a catcher
08:49the Tigers don't need a catcher
08:50no they don't
08:51if of any of the positions
08:52the catcher would not be one of them
08:54yeah
08:55so
08:56what if they made that trade
08:58are we critical of him then
09:00because that's the best he could get
09:02you see what I'm saying
09:03it's like
09:04that's why you start doing this right now
09:06because you hold firm
09:08that you're
09:09you're asking
09:09you're asking
09:10for somebody's number one prospect
09:12or highly regarded prospect
09:15I'm not taking
09:15Tampa's number one catcher
09:17when I got
09:18Dingler
09:19Lorenzo
09:20who's probably going to end up
09:21at first base here
09:21right
09:22he's probably their future
09:23first baseman
09:23if he pans out
09:24and you got Braseno too
09:26right
09:26no
09:27if
09:27if you're going to do that deal
09:29with Tampa
09:29then you want number nine overall
09:31and
09:32it's a deal
09:33I'm not doing it
09:34yeah
09:35if you don't want to include him
09:36then don't call back
09:37yeah
09:39I 100% agree
09:41and the one with the Brewers
09:42was what
09:43Logan Henderson is a centerpiece
09:45they have a second basement
09:45in there as well
09:46well and I think
09:47you certainly make that known
09:49to Tampa
09:50that hey
09:50we can get Logan Henderson
09:53for Tarek Skubal
09:54you see what I'm doing here
09:54I'm not asking for the Brewers
09:56number one prospect
09:57but I am asking Tampa
09:58it's systems
10:00are different
10:01yeah
10:01and needs are
10:02different
10:04I guess what they could offer
10:05is different
10:05yeah
10:07I just wonder if
10:08Dombrowski gets into this
10:10well I think
10:11we've talked about
10:12a number of teams
10:13that would be
10:14tantalized
10:15with the possibility
10:15of adding Tarek Skubal
10:17so
10:18he's clearly
10:19come back strong
10:20from this
10:22Skubal scope
10:23his last start
10:24was
10:25filthy
10:26right
10:26seven plus innings
10:28into the eighth
10:28twelve strikeouts
10:29gave up one run
10:31he's that guy
10:32the guy that won
10:33the last two Cy Youngs
10:34if you're the Phillies
10:36you've been dancing
10:36around this for years
10:37we know Dombrowski
10:38isn't shy
10:39about making bold moves
10:40we were the beneficiary
10:41of it when he was here
10:42in Detroit
10:43we've highlighted
10:44the Brewers
10:45you haven't won a game
10:46in the NLCS
10:47despite all these
10:4890 win seasons
10:49you haven't advanced
10:51into a real
10:52you know
10:52seven game fight
10:54in the NLCS
10:55or even a World Series
10:56do you want to beat
10:56the Dodgers
10:57is this all for show
10:59go for it
11:01for the Dodgers
11:03you have a chance
11:04at history
11:04this is a three-peat
11:05and you actually
11:06have the wherewithal
11:07to keep Skubal
11:07beyond this season
11:08so just start
11:09that process sooner
11:10and worry about
11:11locking them up
11:12afterwards
11:13before the curtain
11:14falls on the CBA
11:16and they have some
11:17injuries in their
11:17starting rotation
11:18and they just stop
11:19everybody else
11:19from getting them
11:20those are three NL teams
11:21Tom brings up Tampa
11:22the Yankees
11:23I know they have
11:23a very good rotation
11:24but very good
11:25isn't good enough
11:25in New York
11:26greatness in a World Series
11:27is all that will suffice
11:28you can start poking around
11:30and make the case
11:30that there's enough teams
11:31that should be creating
11:32a bidding war
11:33that the Tigers
11:34can get something
11:34for Tarek Skubal
11:35I don't even want to argue
11:36that simply
11:37we can't get anything
11:38for Tarek Skubal
11:39that feels like
11:40an indictment
11:40on our front office
11:43I'm just
11:43so I do think
11:45that Dombrowski
11:46should be
11:48could possibly
11:49get in on this
11:49and I'm just looking
11:50at their
11:51their top prospects
11:54and I don't know
11:55that they would have
11:56enough juice
11:58to get in the game
12:00top prospect
12:01is what
12:02Aiden Miller
12:02infielder
12:03yeah
12:03is Andrew
12:04Andrew Painters
12:05graduated
12:05he would be
12:06a guy
12:06I would look at
12:07too
12:07yeah
12:08right
12:08power pitcher
12:12248-539-9797
12:14should Skubal
12:15pitch tomorrow
12:16against Baltimore
12:17that's the question
12:18we ask you
12:18we seem to have
12:19a consensus
12:19on the show
12:20I did mention
12:21there's an NFL
12:22defender
12:22big name
12:23who wants out
12:24well at least
12:25briefly address it
12:26when it comes to
12:27the Lions
12:27it's 97-1
12:28on
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