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00:00Tonight a return that would make the founding fathers blush the president's cashing in on industries over which he has
00:09influence plus born in the USA citizen of the USA the Supremes reject Donald Trump's attempt to overturn the 14th
00:18amendment also is this new court political ideological or bound by law depends on who you ask Amy Coney Barrett
00:29is a turncoat
00:30and the results are in as socialists take their fight west to Colorado tonight and the V predicts the party's
00:37next leader I think it's got to be AOC live at the table Adam Mockler Joe Borelli Ashley Allison Elizabeth
00:46Pipko Jose Antonio Vargas and Camille Foster Americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other but here they do
01:06good evening I'm Abby Phillip in New York the right accused Hunter Biden of profiting off the presidency they called
01:13him a crook and a grifter well tonight what would those what would those same people call Donald Trump and
01:19his family because we're
01:21you're learning just how much richer the presidency is making Trump according to a new financial disclosure the president made
01:28more than a billion dollars in his first year of back in office from crypto ventures alone he made more
01:35than 500 million dollars from the sale of tokens tied to firms managed in part by his sons and another
01:42635 million from a licensing agreement with celebration coins and even Mar-a-Lago earned him more than 70 million
01:50dollars in that
01:50according to the New York Times according to the New York Times one of his biggest hauls in 2025 came
01:56when an investment firm tied to the United Arab Emirates bought nearly half of the Trump family's main crypto company
02:03world financial world liberty financial a transaction that blurs the lines between foreign policy and private enterprise now the scope
02:12and the scale of Trump's holdings continues an unprecedented streak of profit making for a sitting president
02:17but while the White House denies any conflicts of interest Trump has promoted businesses and policies that stand to benefit
02:25him and his family particularly in the area of crypto now before we open it up to the table here
02:33I want to invite you at home to join this debate go to cnn.com slash Abby and weigh in
02:38and we'll get to some of your comments throughout the show but let's start with the billions of dollars that
02:44Trump has made in just one year
02:46it's an astounding amount of money Joe and I wonder how you justify that after all the years of Republicans
02:53making a huge issue out of Hunter Biden making perhaps four let's be generous four or five million dollars.
03:01Well it's not the dollar amount per se it's not the dollar amount per se it's the potential quid pro
03:05quo it's also a chain of emails that were found on his laptop essentially saying put 10% aside for
03:12the big guy meaning the person in office the person who's covered by conflict of interest laws the person who's
03:17covered by public officers law not necessarily Hunter Biden himself there is a difference there's a difference there.
03:23So that's um let's say that that's all true so are you concerned about Donald Trump literally on paper he
03:30disclosed it making over a billion dollars just from crypto alone including a transaction that involves a foreign nation that
03:37he is literally right now as we speak involved in very delicate negotiations on behalf of the United States um
03:45when it comes to the war that's going on in the Middle East.
03:48We should all be concerned about people in public office profiting off their office that's why there is disclosure so
03:53are you concerned Trump's disclosure was 927 pages he's one of the top 1% wealthiest Americans so are you
03:59that's not a secret I'm not a secret because I can look at the document and see what's there with
04:03Joe are you concerned about how much money Trump has raked in in one year am I concerned with a
04:08billionaire making more billions on on more money no I'm not in fact nobody let me just sum up nobody
04:14who voted for Donald Trump a guy with you know skyscrapers
04:18with his name on it with a plane that has his name on it is suspect of him making money
04:23so let me get this straight he made his whole career talking about how much money he made Donald Trump
04:28in the year before he was president 2024 um made let's call it uh an eight it was it's a
04:37fraction of it it's like about five six hundred million dollars in total in 2024.
04:42now we're looking at billions of dollars so the amount of money that the president has raked in while sitting
04:49in the White House is beyond anything that I think people can even conceptualize we are talking about billions of
04:55you're using innuendo and conjecture to say there's something there's no there's no actual evidence it's actually just a fact
05:03that the only thing that's changed about Donald Trump is that he's president now Joe you make a great politician
05:08weaving around
05:10the reality of the situation is Trump is the most corrupt president in American history and we're not even telling
05:15the full story I'm glad that you brought up the quid pro quo part because the part that we're missing
05:19is this two billion dollar investment from the UAE was facilitated by the founder of Binance CZ the founder of
05:25Binance was subsequently pardoned by Donald Trump and Trump has benefited off of this crypto he leveraged the hype of
05:31his inauguration to the day before announce a cryptocurrency named Trump coin but that wasn't enough
05:35because then he now announced Melania coin but that wasn't enough because then he created this pardon economy where people
05:40can pay into his campaigns or his family and they get directly pardoned do you agree with the pardon of
05:45CZ the founder of Binance who helped funnel money into Moss do you agree with the pardon there's no question
05:49that Donald Trump has been pro crypto uniquely he ran on saying it's not pro crypto we're going to pass
05:56the genius act which they did we're going to be so pro crypto that he's making himself rich as hell
06:01we're going to be the crypto capital my friend Joe it's no so Hunter Biden is pro painting Hunter Biden
06:11let's not forget the fact that the previous president had to pardon his son for crimes he removed tariffs from
06:20Vietnam can I just have a couple questions so I don't think that public officials or officials should be making
06:29money that on the backs of the American people or using the American interest to make money
06:35perhaps Joe Hunter Biden did it and perhaps Donald Trump is doing it but I actually wonder if the American
06:42people actually care I'm not sure that they do so if we want to concede the point that they're like
06:47you know what you're the president we live in a capitalist society let's do it I think my biggest issue
06:53is that Americans are suffering right now and he just made a billion dollars and so the people who voted
06:59for him I just want to ask them does he have your did you make a billion did you make
07:04a million did you make a hundred thousand did you make a hundred thousand did you make a thousand are
07:09you in debt right now and if you're in debt right now the man in the White House is profiting
07:15off of you and that is my biggest issue the corruption is there but I'm not sure the voters care
07:20about that but I do think the voters care about
07:22them suffering while this man gets rich so to Ashley's point just on this the crypto ventures that they've been
07:29involved in Trump launched this meme coin that was actually heavily supported by just regular people who Trump supporters yeah
07:38just Trump supporters right and when you look at this chart what it shows you
07:42is that the red line is what investors a lot of them regular people made from this crypto venture it
07:51goes into the negatives negative 2.8 billion dollars 2.28 billion dollars the Trump organization on the other hand
07:58they're in the positive they've made 2.29 billion dollars so Elizabeth look Ashley is making an important point even
08:07if you don't care about the perception of corruption about the perception of
08:12self-dealing that the president is making policy that he directly benefits from if you're one of his supporters shouldn't
08:19it bother you that he was enriched while you were ripped off you know it's an interesting question because I
08:24can tell you as someone who's traveled the country on the campaign I've talked to his supporters I talked to
08:28thousands probably of his supporters many of whom told me one of the sole reasons they were voting for him
08:32was because he was a billionaire who they believed had made enough money and proven himself that they wanted him
08:36in that oval office I don't think anyone thinks he's profiting off of them
08:40but he's profiting without them I think they think that he is leading the charge and trying to show people
08:43what it means to actually do something different Joe talked about crypto and what it means to be the crypto
08:48president how you know he's tried to embrace crypto in a way no one else has he's leading the charge
08:52and I think most Americans believe in him I don't think anyone that voted for him believes he's trying to
08:57make money while they are suffering I'll say can I just say I think maybe he's not profiting off of
09:02them but he's profiting without them
09:04I don't think so I think most people that voted for him believe that he's trying to make the kind
09:08of policy at the same time
09:09if you haven't seen a guy run for office talking about deregulating crypto and talking about how we should be
09:17investing in crypto right it's totally fair and if that's all he was doing my point to you is if
09:22you didn't see that and read the tea leaves and say darn I should probably put a couple of dollars
09:26in Bitcoin
09:27I mean they did what about Trump coin and they lost Trump coin you should put the money there look
09:31it seems to have not worked out well we have a president who has made a policy point to deregulate
09:36crypto that's a fundamentally good thing for our economy I think we're conflating issues here I think more people are
09:41exactly because I don't think this is doing well in the president's benefit this isn't really I'm going to let
09:48Camille in but this isn't really about oh he's deregulating crypto he is profiting off of
09:55making regulatory moves that directly benefit his family's companies and I think the more concerning thing is that a huge
10:05sum of this wealth that we just described comes from a deal with a foreign nation okay the you essentially
10:12the UAE is involved in a deal that basically bought out the Trump family crypto company more than half of
10:21the company leaving the Trump family massively richer
10:25and it turns out Donald Trump personally himself so I mean that's I mean when the founders talked about you
10:33know preventing presidents from in basically enriching themselves off of the presidency this is basically what I mean they weren't
10:40envisioning crypto but they were envisioning things like this from foreign foreign yeah I'd say this look during the first
10:45term it was entirely defensible to talk about Donald Trump's track record of having made all
10:49all of this money his vast real estate holdings the expectation that his family was still going to be in
10:54business fine I can accept that what's happened subsequently is something else entirely his sons are enriching themselves investing in
11:04rare earth minerals they're now defense contractors and and now they're crypto tycoons they didn't have a competency for any
11:12of these industries before now there is so much credible reporting at this point
11:17on an almost daily weekly basis now of them having insider information and making trades and dealing with companies who
11:25are directly involved with the administration so Joe keeps talking about the big guy email the New York Times a
11:31story about this mining deal the president directly negotiated this contract between the this mining company that his sons are
11:41invested in and the United States government
11:44it's not a cryptic email it's an actual phone call with the president on the line and his sons stand
11:53to benefit from it so again even if you were to concede every possible thing that Hunter Biden did wrong
12:00wouldn't you at the very least have to acknowledge that this is bad well with this contract we're talking about
12:07tungsten mining in Kazakhstan China just cut off our exports of tungsten there's a we need defense
12:14tungsten is used in warheads we understand why is it okay that the president's sons are involved in a major
12:22deal even from the article I read it said the president's son invested in the company after this deal was
12:26done so Joe if Hunter Biden had done this would you say the same thing I read the same article
12:30no no no can we put characters involved with the sons dominari securities invested in this company after this deal
12:36was done but if Hunter Biden did the same thing is it not problematic that the president's sons are directly
12:42standing to benefit from a company that is getting government money essentially that the president himself helped negotiate look again
12:52if there's quid pro quo
12:53but here's the thing I don't think I don't I'm just saying that you were trying to say to me
13:04that Hunter Biden committed a crime because some person named the big guy was mentioned in an email I'm talking
13:09about a phone call
13:10yes president Joe how about this okay let's remove the existing fact pattern just to see like if we have
13:15the same standard of ethics right now a democratic president has a son who may be enriching himself from insider
13:23information of the government and benefiting off of that information is that wrong kickback to the president yes a republican
13:30president is there a kickback to the president yeah it's okay I think if you apply the fact pattern here
13:35they're the same fact pattern so your answer should have been easy the last three rounds of questions
13:39go ahead I'm trying to say this entire conversation is infuriating if there was a Biden coin or Obama coin
13:46conservatives would be balled up in a curl
13:49you'd be curled up in a ball crying I would not be doing ads for it it's not just that
13:53Donald Trump has enriched himself it's that he's sold access to the presidency
13:56he's created the executive club he's allowed tariffs to dictate foreign policy in such a way where he tarred Vietnam
14:02removed the tariffs and then one week later
14:04he got a 1.2 billion dollar golf course you want to know about the quid pro quo we gave
14:08the UAE access to a bunch of very special chips the same week that they invested two billion dollars in
14:13Donald Trump's personal crypto firm do you condemn that you condemn the pardoning of CZ do you condemn Justin Sun
14:19who scammed Americans and then was allowed back into the United States after Trump dropped an investigation is any of
14:24this above board
14:24yeah I mean look again if you have the evidence that there is a quid pro quo crime
14:30then bring what if I present the evidence and you just reject it you reject it entirely
14:34people did bring crimes and he was convicted of felonies and that wasn't enough
14:38Trump's corruption using conjecture and innuendo
14:40it's not conjecture
14:42I wonder if we could just go
14:44I don't know I mean look the numbers are on a piece of paper and as you point out it's
14:48disclosed
14:48it's not like you're right it's not like they're hiding the sums of money
14:52mm-hmm it's billions of dollars the reason we know this is in a public disclosure
14:55but is it okay it's not conjecture that's a problem just because it's public is it okay
15:00is it against the law can we acknowledge that it's profoundly unseemly for the president
15:05you don't have to defend the stuff I would prefer the president not make money
15:08okay Congress
15:12lock it in
15:13he's not directing the company
15:16we might have to get some truth serum
15:17final answer Joe lock it in come on
15:20all right next for us we've got more breaking news MAGA is livid tonight after the Supreme Court
15:25rejected Trump's efforts to kill birthright citizenship another special guest is going
15:29to join us at the table plus the results are coming in as socialists take their movement
15:33west and JD Vance says that AOC is the one who will be the nominee in 2028 we'll discuss
15:46the Supreme Court just delivered a blockbuster blow to President Trump's immigration agenda by striking
15:52down his executive order ending birthright citizenship the justices ruled six to three to uphold the 14th
15:58amendment's long-standing guarantee that with narrow exceptions children born on U.S. soil are American
16:05in his majority opinion Chief Justice John Roberts wrote citizenship then and now was the right to
16:11have rights the framers of the 14th amendment extended that promise to every freeborn person in this land
16:18we keep that promise today but in a singing dissent Justice Samuel Alito called the ruling
16:24a serious mistake that preserves a powerful incentive to enter and remain in this country illegally
16:30now President Trump did not take the loss well he called the ruling bad for the country and is calling
16:36on Congress to get rid of birthright citizenship through legislation this is at least rhetorically
16:44the next frontier is to try to do this through legislation which to be frank the court explicitly ruled out
16:50today
16:51um but what do you what did you make of the ruling how it was structured and and also we
16:57we described it as 6-3 but
17:00the the upholding of the constitutional underpinnings of this was really 5-4 so it was a bit more narrow
17:07than I think
17:08people would have expected I have to say I could not sleep last night just could not sleep trying to
17:13figure out
17:13because I couldn't figure out where this was really going to go given how how the rulings have been in
17:18the past couple of weeks
17:18I think what happened today is the Supreme Court defined American unequivocally if you were born in America
17:26you're American that was true yesterday that's true today and that's going to be true tomorrow
17:30and that citizenship in this country is not by blood it's not by race it's not by ethnicity
17:34it's by soil and I think that I have to tell you coming from California where you know 30 percent
17:41of the state is
17:42immigrant here in New York right like 4.6 million people in New York state are immigrant I'm not even
17:47counting the kids
17:47it's just the immigrants I think today was something worth celebrating in July 4th weekend
17:53it was interesting to me to your point how often the majority opinion referred to a nation of immigrants
18:00and that's something that's really pushing back it seems on the the heavily anti-immigrant rhetoric coming out of
18:09the White House and the Republican Party they were pretty clear this country was founded by immigrants
18:15and is a place that is designed to give citizenship to people who come here
18:22are born here become here and and become citizens through other means
18:27can I just push back on that slightly obviously I'm a supporter of this administration I'm a daughter of two
18:32immigrants
18:32I'm a supporter of immigration when it's done the legal correct way and I think immigrants have done
18:37an incredible um a bit of good let's just say for our country including my own family so I don't
18:42think
18:42there's an anti-immigrant sentiment I think it's an anti-illegal immigrant sentiment I would say
18:46a good chunk of why Donald Trump got elected uh is because we have a problem with illegal immigration
18:51I'd say most Americans actually agree on that they disagree on the level to which it's bothering them
18:56and what they want to change but I know a lot of people that thought that birthright citizenship
19:00was a major problem and who voted for President Trump assuming he might be able to make some kind
19:04of a difference I think with this ruling right now I think people are really disagreeing on what it
19:07means I've heard a lot of people say this is the end of this topic and I just don't think
19:11that that's
19:11the case I know a lot of people on the Republican side who are now saying what are the workarounds
19:15what comes next and I hope that people realize that's actually going to be the next step I think
19:19this issue is on the ballot actually in one way or another in November because obviously millions of
19:23Americans see the issue they want some kind of a change and they know this is not the end at
19:27all it might
19:27just be the beginning actually I was starting this conversation I take issue with the arguing and
19:33the destruction of the 14th amendment is actually how people want to reform our immigration policy I
19:38agree with you that people were dissatisfied with the last administration's immigration policy and
19:43they want to change I do think that's the main reason why Donald Trump won I don't think he won
19:47because of the repealing birthright citizenship I do also think that I come on this show often and I
19:54I am debating people who have different ideologies with me and there are a lot of attacks don't it folks
19:59on my side of the aisle and we're called radicals and we that we hate this country and that we
20:04want to
20:04destroy it and yet this very administration is trying to destroy the constitution and that is radical
20:10that is a hate for this country that is a hate for what our founding father stood for and so
20:15I just want
20:16people to just take a second and think about how aggressive this administration is we do need to fix our
20:22immigration policy it is not by changing the constitution in the 14th amendment and that is
20:27why the Supreme Court struck it down today this should never have made it to this never I mean I
20:32was in
20:32college I'm not sure if you were born yet I was in college when Pat Buchanan wrote a book called
20:37the death of
20:38the West do you know that Samuel Huntington the whole anti-immigrant way didn't happen overnight Trump
20:45just basically picked up a $500 bill on the floor and said I'm gonna go run on this and also
20:50let's
20:51remember I covered Barack Obama for the Washington Post in 2008 and back then when people were like
20:55oh isn't he a Muslim isn't he a like and remember now Donald Trump made the biggest part of his
21:03political life was when he questioned the citizenship of a sitting president when the birth when that
21:08whole conversation happened that should have disqualified him from this conversation and yet what
21:13has happened I mean it's one thing to say you don't like the policy right of birthright citizenship and
21:20I think that's fine if you don't like it but the idea that a president can just sign away a
21:27part of the
21:28Constitution is basically what the court knocked down today and even this idea that people are saying
21:35that Congress retains the authority to clarify federal law and he says it should act immediately
21:41um I it's actually not the case right so Justice John Roberts here's what he said specifically what the
21:51Civil Rights Act began the 14th Amendment would finish like the act the 14th Amendment was intended to
21:56repudiate Dred Scott this time however the goal was even grander to put the question of citizenship beyond
22:03the legislative power altogether and settle the issue once and for all he goes on to say that this was
22:10a
22:11codification essentially of common law of England so it goes all the way back this idea that Republicans
22:19are trying to sell to their base that they can just write a law and make the 14th Amendment go
22:24away
22:25is not supported by this our entire study of constitutional law is essentially a study of how
22:32the first 10 amendments the other of the next 17 have been interpreted and changed over time we have
22:38incorporation to the states of some of those amendments we have different interpretations for
22:42example of the second amendment from what it specifically says there's a constructionist argument
22:46as an interpretive argument so to say that the Constitution is never challenged is absolutely that's not what I
22:50said I said that I said that but you did say that how could the president challenge the Constitution it's
22:55actually it happens all the time in the Supreme Court I didn't say that the president couldn't
22:59challenge it how could the president it's just that the idea that the president could nullify the 14th
23:04Amendment is clearly what the Supreme Court repudiated today and they also repudiated the idea that
23:13Congress could do it the solution here's the solution I'll give it to you it's a constitutional amendment right
23:19and there is a process for that it's a hard process but it does exist so I don't know it
23:24seems like
23:24Republicans are not being honest with what it would really take to make a change to birthright
23:29citizenship we have different different states with 50 different levels of gun law that all change the
23:36way the Second Amendment is interpreted so in this case with this example the 14th Amendment the
23:41president made good on a campaign promise he instituted an executive order the normal thing happens
23:46someone challenges what he did they brought it to court and this time he lost and I happen to agree
23:51actually with the Supreme Court in a large sense I think the 14th Amendment is very clear now the the
23:56thing that may come to haunt Democrats is that Trump ran on immigration very strongly in 2016 build the wall
24:02we remember that he ran in 2020 immigration to some degree not as much didn't win he ran in 2024
24:08on
24:09immigration and won again so anything that essentially kicks the immigration issue maybe it won't be number
24:14one again in American's eye but I think it does give the Republicans an opportunity to bring a an
24:19issue that has worked for them in the past back up going into I know I just said in a
24:2430 issue and not in
24:26I know you have I said okay okay let me show you hold on hold on hold on hold on
24:31here hold on
24:32from a few days ago okay June 18th to the 22nd should the Supreme Court keep or reverse its birthright
24:40citizenship ruling from in 1898 69 percent say keep okay that's not close you're not asking the right
24:48question the question is in a you go poll 50 50 when it was limited to people who have not
24:53obeyed the law
24:54if you've come here illegally and you've had a baby is the baby a citizen you said that there are
25:0250
25:02states that have 50 different laws and that is because there there are state rights but there's
25:06also something called comment commerce clause and so that actually says that when you move from one
25:10state to the nurse state there have to be some laws that actually transcend from state to state so
25:16while there are states rights there are also things that the Supreme Court have enacted through
25:20jurisprudence that actually override state rights which is why we have the federal government and
25:25which is why so many people relied on I like that you pointed out that Trump ran on immigration
25:29multiple times because he's impressively turned one of his strongest issues into the Republican
25:33Party's largest liability I mean ICE is currently being rejected by the American people after Renee
25:38Good and Alex Preddy were killed and the Supreme Court seems to be siding with the American people
25:43that Donald Trump's immigration policy is way too radical I mean I was young at the time but you
25:47brought up Barack Obama it wasn't that long ago when he issued a slew of executive orders and
25:52Republicans called him a communist dictator now Republicans are frothing at the mouth because
25:56the Supreme Court won't let Donald Trump rewrite the Constitution via executive order so this is an
26:01extreme policy dictated by Stephen Miller at one point Kristi Noem and right now it's backfiring on
26:06the Republican Party and Donald Trump of course let me just make sure this is really clear this is not
26:11about legality remember just a few days ago the same Supreme Court basically are making TPS
26:17holders temporary protection status Haitians what 350,000 people are about to lose their
26:24document they're here legally under the law and they're now about to lose their status so this is
26:30not about what's legal or not this is about who's American who's American and who belongs and who
26:35belongs and what country we want to be you know look thankfully thankfully X is not real life Twitter
26:41is not real life I know that this weekend when we celebrate July 4th when I go to the Bay
26:45Area
26:45all of us are going to celebrate the fact that all of our neighbors who may have might have come
26:49here 20 years ago 15 years ago or last week we're going to celebrate the fact that this is the
26:53ideal
26:54of what we're actually trying to fight for the ideas of this country that's not about race ethnicity
27:00right or or or even blood it's about who gets to define who an American is all right next for
27:07us so is
27:08is this Supreme Court political or are they following the law because both liberals and
27:13conservatives right now are pretty livid we'll debate next
27:31tonight the Supreme Court used the last day of its term to rule on some of the most consequential cases
27:36before it
27:37birthright citizenship transgender athletes and campaign finance but as soon as the court's
27:43opinions were reported out in the court of public opinion each of the justices were either heroes or
27:49villains it depends on who you ask now this court might either be deemed political or bound by the
27:55constitution MAGA or against Trump ideological or independent this week right-wing commentators have
28:02slammed justice amy coney barrett for siding with chief justice john roberts and the liberal minority
28:08on two separate occasions and standing in the way of important aspects of trump's agenda here's megan
28:14kelly just hours before barrett sided with the liberal justices in this key birthright citizenship case
28:22is justice amy coney barrett a trump appointee she's supposed to be one of ours why do ours why are
28:28they
28:28always so wiggly honestly like the libs you can take it to the bank kagan sotomayor ketanji brown
28:35jackson i have to admire their commitment to their side they never abandon their side amy coney barrett is a
28:43turncoat she's constantly siding with the left john roberts obviously and he is pursuing the wrong
28:50agenda as chief justice you know he's an institutionalist meant to protect the supreme
28:55court that's not your job
28:59now i mean look it's true that amy coney barrett has been a swing vote in some cases but it
29:03is not
29:03true that she's always siding with the left i mean she has voted with uh the conservative majority a lot
29:11it's just that sometimes she doesn't which i don't know isn't that what we're supposed to see
29:17i think so many americans um and this is true of pundits it's true of regular america everyday
29:22americans as well and it's certainly true of like folks on the maga contingent who have lost
29:28confidence in the courts as the president has been more openly critical of them um seem to have this
29:33perspective that the way you should feel about the court has everything to do with whether or not
29:37they're ruling in the way that you like on various issues and i must be in a weird minority i
29:42am happy to
29:43to see justices make decisions that seem out of step with what you would expect from them as a
29:48conservative or liberal justice but when you read the opinion there is an argument there there's a
29:53case that's being made and they're doing it on the merits on the basis of principle you've seen
29:58actually sorda mayor and ketonji brown jackson break ranks with their party and vote in different
30:03directions because they see the issues in particular in particular ways do you think liberals are wrong
30:08to call this court uh essentially captured by absolutely yeah yeah and by trump well i don't
30:16think you're actually in the majority or the minority about wanting the justices actually to uh
30:21adjudicate a case i actually think it's because it's not happening is why people are feeling like
30:26this court is political first the reason why people feel like this court is captured by donald trump
30:31is the hypocrisy of how scolia's seat was uh filled and how they prevented merrick garland you can try
30:38argument to the blue in the face but when you say that if it's less than 100 days out from
30:42an election
30:42when the democrat is in and they shouldn't replace it then it should be the same thing and that wasn't
30:46the case and so it was the unfair way in which republicans went about filling these two seats
30:51is why people first feel like this court was checked capture the second thing is that i actually
30:57believe i i am a lawyer by training and i um believe that the supreme court should not be political
31:02however when supreme court justices go in front of congress under oath and give testimony that they
31:10will not they will they will uh uh uh live by precedent with it when it comes to roe v
31:16wade and they go
31:18against their opinion it does feel political and so i actually think it's not for a democratic
31:23president a republican president a pundit any elected official to restore the confidence in the
31:29court again i actually think it's the justice's responsibility because i feel like they are
31:32behaving in such a way not all of them but some of them that feel so political right now that
31:37is why
31:38i don't actually think you're in the minority right now recent rulings suggest to you that the court is
31:42captured i mean you've certainly saw decisions in justice i think they're inconsistent i actually think
31:47they're inconsistent like because like how do you do a ruling on one case around gerrymandering in alabama
31:53two years ago and then to a totally different ruling on another case how do you say there's uh
31:58the president has executive authority to fire some uh appointed individuals in the um in
32:04independent offices and then not some so it's the inconsistency i actually think that makes people
32:08feel like it's so political and and that some of the there's also some of these some of the justices
32:14right clarence thomas in particular i think has become much more outspoken this is what he said
32:19earlier this year about what he calls progressivism listen progressivism seeks to replace the basic
32:27premises of the declaration of independence and hence our form of government it holds that our rights
32:36and our dignities come not from god but from government it requires of the people a subservience
32:44and weakness incompatible with a constitution premised on the transcendent origin of our rights
32:53i think a lot of people would hear that and they would hear somebody who has a very clear agenda
33:00and
33:00maybe isn't taking a look at each case and the text and making rulings individually but is looking
33:07at things through a very very strict ideological well i think first of all we should have a clarence thomas
33:14clip every night on the show i think it'd be very good but yes it is no secret that he
33:19is one of
33:19the most conservative if not the most conservative on the court and i think we can fairly say as megan
33:25kelly pointed out that roberts and now amy coney barrett have become these moderate occasionally swing
33:31voters i guess the question i would ask is who was the last democratic presidential appointee to the
33:37supreme court that could also be considered a swing voter it's not certainly the three well he lost
33:41that doesn't mean that she has not switched parties all the justice has switched parties i'm saying
33:48people that are routinely recognized as a moderate swing voter i wouldn't say i would have to go back
33:53to my memory serves correctly and my googling serves correctly i couldn't remember the guy's name but
33:57it would be byron white appointed by jfk was the last democratic presidential appointee of the supreme
34:02court who was genuinely considered a swing voter i think he even dissented they're not voters
34:07uh actually justice that's why i just want to point this one here's one crazy thing that's been
34:14happening the attacks on amy coney barrett have been um let me just be clear sexist uh matt walsh
34:22back in 2020 when she was a point she was being appointed he called her an impressive judge now
34:27today he says the worst supreme court justices of all time have all been women that's just a fact
34:33republican presidents should take a hint um other uh commentators uh derrick evans a former west
34:40virginia uh state legislature amy coney barrett is the poster child for why we need to repeal the 19th
34:46amendment um another another conservative says if amy coney barrett really votes against ending
34:51birthright citizenship we should begin to look into how to deport her haitian child back to haiti
34:58that's the level of it there is a lot of vitriol coming out a lot of hypocrisy from conservatives and
35:05i'm not surprised this party is like having sexist attacks against her there's a bunch of hypocrisy ben
35:09shapiro said this is a legal abomination but two years ago he said i'm sorry the constitution is happening
35:15to you when there was a ruling that the liberals did not like so we see this on both sides
35:19we see
35:19unfair attacks and i think it's a top-down effort from donald trump to try to delegitimize the courts
35:24to try to you know spew vile and venom in politics marjorie taylor green had to leave politics due to
35:30the death threats that she was getting so women in the republican party aren't treated well are you
35:34concerned about progressive attempts to delegitimize the courts to talk about court packing schemes and
35:39various other things yeah assisting that the courts have been completely overtaken if despite the fact
35:43that you get rulings like today that are clearly checking executive power at a pretty regular
35:48clip well i would ask you do you think that the supreme court was right when they said trump should
35:52be able to overthrow an election without any insist on answering questions with questions no no if
35:56there's a far left person i'm just i'm concerned about that um then absolutely that's bad but i think
36:01the court does have some concerns with allowing billionaires to buy elections with saying that trump
36:04can't really do anything illegal as long as it's in the purview of the presidency they've had some
36:08whack court or whack cases well i would just say we also just had a segment and we were told
36:13that we
36:13could revise the constitution so i don't think that it is unfair for progressives to say if they
36:19think something is broken fix it can we just say also this conversation isn't helping we're sowing
36:23more distrust in the court these are all nine educated people that were appointed by presidents
36:26approved by our senate we should not choose to not have faith in them when they vote away or judge
36:31no we can that's america no you can say whatever you want that's america that's actually what makes
36:36democracy stronger you can say whatever you want but to try to sow distrust in the system when it doesn't
36:39go
36:39your way that's the problem i'm not sowing distrust i'm calling a spade a spade next for us it's primary
36:44night in colorado and after a wave of socialist victories so far this season the vice president
36:49is predicting that the new democratic party leader will be alexandria ocasio-cortez we'll discuss that next
37:03tonight a wave of progressive democrats are hoping to build on the momentum of recent victories across
37:09the country as colorado's primary results roll in in the race for the state's first congressional
37:14district 29 year old democratic socialist milat kiros is trying to oust a 15 term congresswoman diana
37:21to get now right now it's still too close to call in the race for the u.s senate in
37:26colorado cnn
37:26projects incumbent senator john hickenlooper will defeat progressive challenger state senator julie
37:32gonzalez and as socialism fever spreads there are some new questions about how this will all shape up for
37:39the democratic field ahead of 2028 here is vice president jd vance with his prediction
37:46the leading democrat for 28. i think it's got to be aoc i know that's probably conventional wisdom
37:55i mean it's funny it's the aoc versus ossoff thing i guess the question would be who do you think
38:01really
38:01has the power in the democratic party and if you think the answer is like wall street and the left
38:10of
38:10center business community then it would be assoff and if you think it's the universities it would be
38:14aoc aoc had a chance to respond today here's what she said jd vance just said in an interview that
38:23he thinks you are going to be the leading democratic candidate for president in 2028 what's your response
38:28to that i mean um you know uh i hope he is that's what i'll say that he's a republican
38:37nominee yeah
38:40all right camille i clocked your face when jd vance was talking you didn't agree that's wishful thinking
38:46that is not the conventional wisdom that aoc is the leading candidate on the on the left but certainly
38:52lots of republicans hope that's the case the the dsa bonanza has the dsa's achievements recently have
38:58been a bit of a bonanza for a party that is being roiled by infighting at the moment the early
39:04state
39:04lineups don't line up for her some of them are open primary states so it's functionally difficult
39:09for her but i think there's a very fair case to be made that everyone in the democratic party from
39:14sanders to james carville said the democratic party didn't stand for anything people like aoc
39:19zora mamdani they filled this void with with their version of progressive socialism and for better or
39:25worse it's the only you know cohesive plan the democratic party has that's attractive to vote and
39:30that's what donald trump did donald trump filled a gap when they felt like republicans were stale
39:35and not doing anything and i think that is on both sides of the owl what we are seeing is
39:39that americans
39:40are sick of the status quo and they want somebody that's going to fight for them they want somebody
39:43that's going to come with new ideas and if you are going to bow to billionaires you got to go
39:48right
39:48and it's where it's working people are looking for new ideas and i think when it comes to young
39:52voters there's oftentimes it's like reductive and lazy framework that there's a bunch of socialism
39:56spreading among them but when you can't accumulate capital in a society you're not going to be
40:00tied to the capitalistic system i don't agree with all the prescriptions of the dsa but the reality is
40:05when young people are negative on student debt negative capital on medical debt and actually are
40:11farther and farther away from getting a house they're going to begin to rebel against the system
40:14they don't see is working for them so having an alternative vision is what these republicans and
40:18establishment democrats need to have if they want a fighting chance all right next for us a new
40:22addition to the table you there at home we'll read some of your feedback when we come back
40:30dot com slash abby our first comment tonight we need to elect supreme court justices too
40:39right no wrong that was your point that was his point he was talking about them being voters so
40:46maybe i'm on to something maybe i'm starting a new revolution i'm not sure i mean would that
40:50solve any problems no i mean we're already electing the people that nominate them
40:53we elect judges all over the country i think that there ought to be some there i think the problem
40:59with the supreme court is that there is no end to their term that's probably the big
41:02voters would elect trump to the supreme court knowing them okay next up can someone please give
41:08joe a twister game that way at least he'll have a reason to twist himself into a pretzel trying to
41:14that can't give the finger to the camera no can i do that you were like all president you're like
41:18presidents dabble in things cryptocurrency is dabble in sometimes like bro you can't just weave around
41:23like that just say it's bad props from adam for being a good politician yeah yeah it was impressive i
41:30saw
41:30in real time is that a compliment i think it's a compliment from adam it's a compliment all right
41:34and finally last but certainly not least i like ashley's outfit tonight she's dressed for battle
41:39you know stay ready so you ain't gotta get ready your favorite i know thanks guys love you too
41:45thank you very much for watching news night laura coates live starts right now
41:54tonight the supreme court draws the boundaries of trump's power on birthright citizenship but he's
41:59already looking for openings you know what the court may have shown him where to find them
42:04plus the progressive movement has put the test in colorado one progressive challenger falls short while
42:09another's race is turning into a nail biter and the king leaving la so where does lebron james
42:16take his next chapter we'll talk about it tonight on laura coates live
42:26well my opening statement tonight look the supreme court has now handed president trump a map a map for
42:33the rest of his term a map of where his power begins where it ends and where he might still
42:40be able to
42:41push and of course we want to read that map don't we want to figure out where all of this
42:46is going and
42:48where it's taking our country and the reality is the supreme court term i mean it has been nothing
42:53short of dizzying you've got ruling after ruling decisions on nearly 60 cases from immigration to
42:59presidential power to pretty much every culture war issue you can think of and the temptation is going
43:05to be to draw one clean through line across all of it i wish i could do that for you
43:12but it's not that easy
43:13you can say he won this one he lost that one so there you go here's what it's going to
43:18be but i
43:19take a different approach because there's more than one citizen in this country i guess about what
43:24he has lost or not the question isn't just who won and who lost the supreme court it's what's changed
43:30in our country or stayed the same for all of us because of it let's tackle trump's immigration agenda
43:38the court handed him a blow today on his push to try to end birthright citizenship but that decision
43:47upholding birthright wasn't even a unanimous one in a six to three decision it ruled children born
43:54in this country even to undocumented immigrants they're still citizens it's been the law for almost
44:00150 years by the way but they ruled again on it today and chief justice john roberts drew a line
44:08around the 14th amendment and delivered a defeat for trump's executive order he tried to make that
44:14first day but a completely dead end it was not because trump is now looking to congress to pass
44:20legislation to try to end birthright citizenship and house speaker mike johnson says you might be open to
44:27trying it certainly is time for us to do everything that's possible i don't know what that is i think
44:35it's clearly an issue uh that merits the attention of congress but i will tell you that it's a big
44:40concern with the american people because it's been abused what's the it now look i can tell you that
44:48the likelihood of congress passing anything on birthright citizenship right now is virtually nil
44:55they've been so successful everywhere else but despite what trump says a constitutional amendment to
45:01you amend that amendment that's under the category of necessary but now the president knows where he
45:07can test his limits and his administration is not waiting look at this a doj letter to all u.s
45:15attorneys directing them to prioritize investigations of quote unquote birth tourism schemes
45:23you see this is going right the administration is already trying to work around the court's ruling
45:29and on immigration more broadly it's already been handed some pretty significant wins just take last
45:35week it confirmed his power to regulate the border it sided with the president on turning back asylum
45:41seekers at the southern border and and it cleared the way for trump to deport haitian and syria syrian
45:48migrants with immigration protections and that ruling it cannot be overstated in its significance
45:55because it said it isn't the court's call to make it's the president's now that's just immigration
46:02but if you step back and look at the entire supreme court term i told you the top it's tempting
46:08to try
46:08to broad draw a broad conclusion and there is there is one thread that holds i mean you look at
46:14what the
46:15president lost birthright tariffs those were about running the government tariffs that's actually congress's
46:22power to tax right the power of the purse we know this it's not his birthright the constitution
46:29he tried to rewrite that portion by executive order and the court basically said no when he tried to
46:35reach outside of his own branch but inside the executive branch well that's a horse of a different color
46:43the court gave him more room to control the agencies under that huge umbrella that answer to
46:50the executive with one exception of course the federal reserve which of course the independence
46:55the court said has sweeping consequences all across the world in terms of the u.s economy
47:00so even if even if they didn't necessarily hand trump a clean sweep but did give him a road map
47:08or maybe
47:08some confirmation of what he can and cannot do which he's already trying to follow and unless the other
47:13branches of government get on that same road and create some roadblocks well they may not be the
47:20co-equal branch of the government but maybe two other subordinate ones here to break down a pivotal day at
47:27the supreme court we've got cnn legal analyst and former doj prosecutor elliot williams democratic
47:32strategist sawyer hackett and former cnn communications former senior oh there you go
47:38former senior communications aide senator lindsey graham tw re i gave you a new job a new title there
47:44you go let's get to it all right ellie and begin with you because vice president vance he is finding
47:50some silver linings and in in one he says this the fact that this case was a five to four
47:57decision
47:58effectively means that the the concept of birthright citizenship which is an absurdity uh to the 14th
48:05amendment that concept is hanging by a thread we actually have an opportunity to reverse this
48:11decision just as we've reversed so many bad decisions throughout the generations first of all
48:17he said six not six to three he's talking about the concurring opinion and thinking the way that the
48:21technicality the way that they parse out the issues that he was describing that but it was not
48:25unanimous and that is the key that he's trying to talk about so just i mean do you agree that
48:30birthright
48:31citizenship the first line of the 14th amendment is hanging by a thread i don't think it's hanging
48:35by a thread he is correct that it was five four on the constitutional argument justice kavanaugh
48:41sort of broke off from the majority saying that wait a second i believe that under for
48:46statutory reasons uh this this might have been okay but but but i don't agree with the court's
48:50constitutional argument grounded in the 14th amendment now he also in effect gives a road map
48:55to congress to limit birthright citizenship if they so choose there's a few problems with that
49:00number one i would think that based on that plain language of the 14th amendment that you've talked
49:05about any legislation to try to narrow it is itself going to be subject to legal challenge um but the
49:11idea that it's hanging on by a thread i i mean i just think that's just not an accurate reading
49:16of what
49:17the court decided today given the however many hundred plus years of uh precedent on this issue and
49:25the language of the constitution it it's quite clear and the court has ruled today so maybe the court
49:30could overrule it one day or change their mind but it's just that's highly unlikely but the court
49:34never overturned its own precedent what do you what do you mean read the facetiousness in my in my voice
49:39but you hear about the words birth tourism you know that this whether you have the court talking
49:45about the legal and constitutionality the political machines are already looking at this issue in terms of
49:51is this a winnable discussion using the supreme court's failure to have a unanimous decision to say
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