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00:09Abbey-Philipp in New York.
00:10Tonight, the White House is celebrating a pair of major Supreme Court victories
00:14that expand the president's power on immigration.
00:18And it clears the way for him to continue his crackdown.
00:21The first decision allows the Trump administration to end temporary protected status
00:25for foreign nationals from countries like Haiti or Syria.
00:29Millions may soon be eligible for deportation, and hundreds of thousands could lose their
00:34work authorization they receive under the program, which was meant to help people fleeing
00:39war or disaster in their home country.
00:42Now, separately, the justices rule that the White House can revive a controversial policy
00:46that allows officials to block asylum seekers entering the U.S. southern border.
00:50The decision drew a scathing dissent from Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who warned more people will
00:55die as a result.
00:57The policy began under President Obama was ended by President Biden, and now, with its
01:03return under Trump 2.0, here's how the White House's Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller
01:08sums it up.
01:10I think the most important point is that this administration, on the asylum point, is we've
01:14implemented international agreements all over the world to take in our asylum seekers.
01:25That statement, I think, encapsulates exactly how Stephen Miller sees the world, what he's
01:31wanted to do for a long time.
01:33But at the same time, asylum still is in the law, right?
01:36Like, it is still a legal process.
01:38And the court basically has given the Trump administration carte blanche to effectively shut
01:44it down, as Stephen Miller said.
01:45Right, right, right.
01:46You know, when we look at these pair of cases, they're being presented, you know, in the media
01:51as well, as a victory for the Trump administration.
01:54For me, it's not so much a victory for Trump or for this administration.
01:57It's a victory for executive power, and that's something that should make a lot of people
02:02nervous, because the administration has basically been given permission from the highest court
02:07to dismantle critical parts of our immigration system.
02:11But Congress set up our asylum process.
02:14Congress, bipartisan Congress, designed TPS.
02:17In my view, the Supreme Court is basically absolving, abdicating itself of its responsibilities
02:23under the Constitution to provide checks and balances to the other branches of government.
02:28They're acting as though there are only two branches of government.
02:31And so when we talk about the administration, this administration wanting to end these programs,
02:37it's very problematic in terms of the consequences.
02:40But just from a legal framework, it is quite problematic, because the administration admits
02:45that it did not follow the processes to end TPS.
02:49And with the asylum case, it's very questionable that the Supreme Court even took this case,
02:55because those proceedings are not metering the turnbacks.
03:00That is not happening right now.
03:01So it's, in a sense, a theoretical argument.
03:05But this speaks to the incredible deference that this court has given to the Trump administration
03:09on immigration.
03:11Yeah, on immigration and on a lot of other things.
03:14For the Haitians, however, this means that, you know, hundreds of thousands of them,
03:21if you take the entire pool of Haitians and Syrians together, it could be a million people
03:26are affected by this, could be stripped of their protective status, stripped of their work permits,
03:31and told to go home.
03:32And interestingly, here's what Mike DeWine, the governor of Ohio, said.
03:37He says, the policy to remove these individuals from this country is a mistake.
03:41This also means that while these Haitians were working and contributing to our country,
03:46our community, and economy yesterday, today it is now illegal to employ them.
03:51So he is sounding the alarm.
03:53And this is, by the way, the place.
03:55He calls out Springfield, Ohio.
03:57This is the place where J.D. Vance lied about Haitians eating cats and dogs.
04:01And he says, they are a part of, 10,000 of them, they're a part of this community now.
04:05They're taking on jobs.
04:07They're building the economy.
04:08And he just says it's the wrong policy.
04:11Yeah, it is.
04:12And so the court's decision is actually really good for Haiti as a country, as a sovereign nation,
04:17because the first word in TPS is temporary.
04:20It's always supposed to be temporary.
04:22And specifically in regards to the Haitians who have come here,
04:24the first batch came, I think, in 2010 after the earthquake in Haiti.
04:27It's been 16 years since the earthquake.
04:29So that's not temporary.
04:31And at what point, by American standards, are we going to decide that Haiti is livable again?
04:37When's that day coming?
04:38Is that coming in six months?
04:40Is that coming in a year?
04:41Probably not anytime soon.
04:42And one thing that doesn't get talked about is some of these TPS recipients,
04:46not all but some, have been doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers who left Haiti.
04:51How is Haiti as a nation supposed to rebuild itself when we've brain-drained a lot of their talent
04:57and planted them in Springfield, Ohio, where that's not fair to the residents of Springfield, Ohio, either.
05:02And as a nation, we are legally obligated to our own citizens before we're obligated to anybody else.
05:07Springfield, Ohio, notice how the migrants are never, they're never brought to Nantucket.
05:10They're never brought to Beverly Hills.
05:12They're never brought to Martha's Vineyard.
05:13They're never going to go compete with hedge fund bros who inherited the job from their dad.
05:17They're always going to be brought to middle America, places like Springfield, Ohio,
05:21where they're going to have to compete with Americans for wages, depreciate those wages.
05:25I'm sure, does anybody at this table, have you heard the name Aiden Clark, an 11-year-old boy?
05:30No, you guys don't know his name?
05:31Here we go again.
05:3211-year-old boy killed by a Haitian immigrant under TPS with no American driver's license
05:37who rammed his car into a bus, killed 11-year-old Aiden, and injured 20 schoolchildren.
05:42Who is this good for?
05:43Not the Haitians, not the American people.
05:45I love how they cherry-pick isolated cases and forget the fact that people who are immigrants
05:49actually commit fewer crimes than people who are residents in this country.
05:52But getting back to the point of this discussion about Haiti,
05:55first of all, I'm so glad that you're concerned about Haiti right now.
05:59I am.
05:59It's a sovereign nation.
05:59And the alleged brain drain.
06:01But the U.S. State Department says, would you let me speak?
06:03Because I let you speak.
06:04The U.S. State Department says that it's actually not safe for Americans to travel to Haiti right now.
06:09So you want to dump these people into our country where even our own State Department
06:14or the Trump administration says it's not safe.
06:16But the larger problem is that this is a country that is now governed by a racist foreign policy
06:21and a racist immigration policy.
06:23At the same time, Stephen Miller is out here claiming that we don't allow anybody into this
06:28country for asylum anymore.
06:29The doors are closed.
06:30We're allowing white South Africans to come to this country.
06:33Those are the only people who can come to this country right now, white South Africans.
06:36But 350,000 Haitian Americans who are black can't stay here, even though they have been
06:41here, many of them for many years.
06:44They can't stay here.
06:45They're taxpaying people.
06:46They are law-abiding people.
06:48They are people who actually do jobs and create jobs.
06:51They're actually people who are doing jobs that some Americans don't want to do.
06:54No, they want the jobs.
06:55They just don't want to do it for that wage.
06:57Cleaning toilets.
06:57They don't want to do it for that wage.
06:59Cleaning toilets in a hotel, Caroline.
06:59And big business, the healthcare industry loves to keep them here.
07:02It's modern slave labor.
07:04Caroline, Caroline, Caroline, you're not the only person at the table.
07:06You have to oppose having people.
07:07Just a second.
07:07Just a second.
07:08I will say he did let you finish your entire thought.
07:11So just let him finish his, please.
07:13So I think the larger problem here is that we have an administration that is changing
07:18not only foreign policy, immigration policy, but changing the Republican Party.
07:23What Raul said a moment ago is really important.
07:25This is a bipartisan bill.
07:27This is a bipartisan legislation, the Immigration Act of 1990, signed by President George H.W.
07:34Bush at the time when Republicans and Democrats used to agree that it was okay, that America
07:38actually believed in the principles of the Statue of Liberty, that we actually wanted to have
07:41people come here and seek asylum, or at least come here and to be able to live here if
07:47they knew that their conditions were not good in their own countries.
07:49The issue, well, first of all, I just want to note that to your point, the State Department
07:53has a level four warning for Haiti, Syria, and Somalia.
07:57It says, do not travel for U.S. citizens.
07:59And if you do travel, prepare a will.
08:02So I think that tells you kind of everything you need to know about how they feel the situation
08:07is.
08:07But on the issue of racism, that came up in the court decision.
08:10And Samuel Alito, in the majority opinion, said, none of the cited statements by either
08:16the president or the secretary were overtly racist, and in substance, all expressed policy
08:24views that could rest on race-neutral justifications.
08:27Elena Kagan, you know, she hit back and said, the evidence they have offered includes statements
08:35by the president so repellent and racially infected that the majority declines to put them in print.
08:41These statements fairly shout, in their racial undertones and overtones alike, that race
08:46entered into the president's resolve to remove Haitians from this country.
08:50Can I just mention some of those comments?
08:51If he called Haitians, or Haiti, a shithole country, that, I mean, I think that's what
08:58a lot of people, what's one of the many statements that make a lot of people believe that there
09:02is racial animus at play here.
09:03Well, I mean, you're making it about race.
09:05Keith's making it about race.
09:06That was precisely the argument that the Supreme Court said was not the proper one.
09:10Yes, the legislation for TPS was a bipartisan bill from 40 years ago, but it gave the secretary
09:15of Homeland Security extreme policy oversight in determining who gets TPS or who loses it.
09:21In this case, we've litigated this.
09:23We had an election, right?
09:23President Trump, you pointed out, he said some pretty mean things.
09:27We litigated this debate during the election, and the American people chose to have a more
09:31restrictive anti-immigration policy.
09:33That's just the fact.
09:34The American public put Donald Trump in place.
09:36He is now implementing policies that you may not agree with, but the American people elected.
09:40And it's not just Haiti.
09:42So we keep focusing on this racial thing.
09:43It's about all 13 countries that, who temporary protective status, have recently come up
09:48for renewal that he has pushed to withdraw or deny.
09:52The reason why we focus on Haiti, though, is because Haiti is the issue that involves
09:57race most directly.
09:58It's an equal protection issue under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.
10:01He said, he called, he actually said these countries, he said Haiti's a shithole country.
10:05He said they're poisoning the blood of this country.
10:07He said they're bringing AIDS to this country.
10:09He accused Haitian immigrants of eating people's pets and dogs.
10:14That's what Donald Trump said there.
10:17I'm citing what the Supreme Court decided.
10:19That's what your president, your Republican president, and the Supreme Court was wrong.
10:22There were three dissenting members who said otherwise.
10:24That the TPS statute gave the Secretary of Homeland Security the authority to do this.
10:27You may not like the results of the election.
10:29I happen to have voted for Donald Trump.
10:30So you're saying the voters voted for a racist foreign policy immigration?
10:34What majority white country was up for TPS renewal recently that he didn't move to...
10:40Trump is allowing white South Africans to come to this country.
10:43They're the only people who are allowed to come to this country right now.
10:45Name a majority white country that has TPS, that has TPS, that's up for renewal, that
10:50the Trump administration did not try to not renew.
10:52You have very passionate arguments around TPS, right?
10:55Both of you at this table, all of us.
10:58But the thing I think is most important when we're talking about TPS is that this case
11:03was not about a definition of what is temporary, when is temporary, too long.
11:09And it wasn't a case.
11:10It was not a case about whether or not Haitians are here doing jobs that Americans don't want.
11:15And Haitians actually, among our immigrant population, Haitians have some of the highest
11:20educational attainment because many people who have come from Haiti left because they are
11:25professional people with advanced degrees.
11:30The point of TPS is, in the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, is that it
11:37grants
11:37humanitarian relief to people from these countries where they would be in danger if the U.S.
11:43government returned.
11:44This is not a question of what...
11:46The Supreme Court did not even examine the issue.
11:49Does the statute give an end date for the renewal?
11:53No, by design.
11:54So the TPS doesn't have a renewal date?
11:57So the renewal date for Ukraine is up in the fall this year?
12:00That's not...
12:00You're making my point?
12:01That is by design.
12:02I mean, Raoul's point is that...
12:03It's a policy question.
12:04Hold on a second.
12:04Raoul's point is that TPS is designed and it can be extended for as many times as...
12:11Congress could have put an end point.
12:12As the administration wants it to be.
12:14Now, but here's the thing, Raoul's other point was that they acknowledged that they didn't
12:22follow the process that's in the law for actually going through this renewal process.
12:27So the court basically said, doesn't really matter.
12:29We're going to defer to the executive branch and let them proceed, however, even if it isn't...
12:34That's not correct in the sense that the statute does give Homeland Security Secretary this
12:39discretion to around TPS when they follow the processes, which they admit in the filing
12:46that they did not.
12:48That's what makes this a really startling decision.
12:51And I know I'm talking too much, but I want to say that that's an important part of this discussion.
12:58Let me just play one more thing.
13:00This is Stephen Miller today talking about what he thinks the founding fathers would have wanted.
13:07Listen.
13:09You know, when the founding fathers built this country, they were keenly aware of the fact
13:14that their history as Englishmen in the colonies, their history and experience
13:20with enlightenment principles and values formed the foundation of our system of government.
13:26It's simply not the case.
13:27It has never been the case.
13:29To go back to the Haiti example, that you can just take three million people from a failed island,
13:34put them into America, and overnight that they're able to become fully successful,
13:39fully assimilated American citizens.
13:41That defies everything we know about how culture works,
13:43how assimilation works, how nations work.
13:48So, Amanda, I find it extremely rich for someone like Stephen Miller to say that,
13:52especially since his own ancestors, who were Jewish, who fled persecution,
13:58came to this country and were thought at the time to not be capable of assimilation,
14:02were thought at the time to not be compatible with American society.
14:07And they came here and they assimilated.
14:10And now he's in the White House.
14:12It is the embodiment of the American dream.
14:14I mean, it's literally engraved on the Statue of Liberty.
14:16Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.
14:18Like, this is a place where you can come.
14:20If you are not safe where you live, it's a place where you can come and incorporate and assimilate
14:24and be a true American.
14:25Can they come here at your house? Can they come to your community?
14:27They are in our community. I live in New York City, one of the most diverse cities in the world.
14:30So, can they come stay at your house?
14:32I would welcome them in my home. I would welcome them in my neighborhood.
14:35As many as we need.
14:36If they are coming here through the way.
14:37Could your house handle 10, even if it doesn't have room for 10?
14:39We should solve the housing crisis in New York City.
14:41And then I would love to do that.
14:43Haitians with TPS are not doing that anymore.
14:45Let me let Amanda finish her point, please.
14:47I would just say, I think it's like such a devastating way to go into celebrating 250 years of America
14:51by kicking out the people who make America great, who make this country what it is.
14:56The immigrants who come and say, you know what?
14:58I'm going to come as a doctor, an engineer.
15:00I'm going to bring my talents to Springfield, Ohio, and make that a home.
15:04Was the Haitian migrant who killed 11-year-old Aiden Clark making America better with that action?
15:09That is...
15:10Do you think your family can say that?
15:11Do you think your family can say that?
15:13You're going to kick out 350,000 people because of one case.
15:17Is that making America better?
15:18You're going to kick out 350,000 people because of one case.
15:22What about all the white people who commit crimes in this country?
15:25You're going to kick them out of this country?
15:26You're going to kick them out of this country, too.
15:27One American life matters.
15:28But you haven't answered the question.
15:29Your comment is just as racist as Donald Trump's comment.
15:32You're going to focus on one American child making America better.
15:33It's not.
15:34You're going to focus on one Haitian person and use that as a justification for a racist foreign policy.
15:39It's disgusting.
15:40It's abhorrent.
15:41It's disgusting that an 11-year-old was killed by a Haitian migrant who rammed his car into a bus.
15:46That is disgusting.
15:48Trump already called a shithole country?
15:49He was referencing the government, which treats their people boring.
15:52It's made of racism.
15:53All right.
15:53We've got to just leave it there.
15:55We do have to leave it there.
15:57We want to invite you at home to join the debate.
16:00You can go to CNN.com slash Abby and weigh in on this conversation and all the others in this
16:06show.
16:06We'll get to some of your comments at the end of the show.
16:09But next for us, Donald Trump's conservative critics are getting louder and bolder, including a shouting match.
16:15And Tucker Carlson is calling Trump the B-word.
16:19Plus, AOC is defending progressivism against Democratic critics as socialists continue to pile up the winds across the country.
16:27Another special guest is going to be with us at the table.
16:29We'll be right back.
16:37Tonight, some of the president's former allies are his critics.
16:42They are getting louder and louder, and it's not holding anything back.
16:45Tucker Carlson campaigned for Trump just two years ago, and now he's divorcing himself from the Republican Party entirely.
16:52He's calling Trump weak, and chief among his complaints is that Trump's war with Iran is wrong.
16:59Carlson took his jabs one step further today.
17:02Listen to this.
17:04He tried to posture his way out of it.
17:06We're going to eliminate you.
17:08And after, like, the 400th truth social, they reached the same conclusion that everyone on the globe reached, which is,
17:16this guy's not strong.
17:16He's weak.
17:17Strong people don't brag about how strong they are.
17:19They just punch you in the face.
17:20There are two types of guys, and you've got to be careful of the second.
17:22They're the first who are like, would you say, would you say, say it again, you know, push you in
17:28the chest.
17:30You don't have to worry about those guys.
17:32And then the guys don't say anything, just knock you cold.
17:35And Trump is very much, would you say, shut up, I don't take you seriously.
17:42No, I'm not being mean, but, like, come on.
17:47Patrick McEnroe joins us in our fifth seat.
17:50Wow.
17:50How did I get so lucky to get in this guy?
17:52Yeah.
17:53Okay, so, first of all, Tucker Carlson giving lessons on toughness is one way to look at this.
17:59But is he right?
18:02I'm not sure he's right, but, you know, it's good to be loud, and it's good to make a huge
18:08statement wherever you're coming from.
18:09Believe it or not, I was actually in D.C. this week meeting with some senators and some congressmen about
18:16another issue, college athletics.
18:18But what struck me was actually the people behind the scenes in D.C., and I'm talking about staffers, I'm
18:24talking about interns, people working for the senators, they actually want to get stuff done.
18:29And I actually walked out of there thinking to myself, you know, there's a lot of young, positive people here
18:35that actually want to solve some problems.
18:37And, you know, we all come on these shows and we talk about, you know, the people that are loud
18:42and that have an extreme view, in my view, an extreme view of what's really going on.
18:47When behind the scenes, I think there's actually a bunch of people that are really trying to make things better
18:51and get things done in a more positive direction.
18:54So is Tucker Carlson right?
18:55I'll leave it to the experts here to tell me if he's right or wrong.
18:58Well, Trump, I mean, I think is facing this backlash from people like Carlson.
19:02But look, part of it is if Tucker really doesn't like this part of Trump, why did he support him
19:09in the first place?
19:10Because Trump has always been this person to yell and scream about how tough he is and then actually to
19:17pull his punches, as he did with Iran.
19:20So is that really the problem for Tucker and for some of the other conservatives who are trying to walk
19:27out of the MAGA movement right now?
19:29So the president respects strength.
19:32He doesn't respect people who are weak or project weakness.
19:35So I think what Tucker is doing is just using the president's same playbook.
19:39I mean, the president is a trash talker.
19:41He gets out and uses that same tone that Tucker uses, says the same things.
19:44Tucker is just using that same playbook because he knows that's actually what Trump respects.
19:49He respects people that are brawlers like that.
19:51I think what's going on largely in terms of what's going on on Capitol Hill and what Tucker is saying
19:57is they're watching the king bleed for the first time.
20:01And they smell blood in the water and they're taking advantage of it.
20:04And so you watch the president's actions on Capitol Hill.
20:07And I think in response to Tucker's comments where he kind of did show a force and said, I'm the
20:11boss.
20:11I'm going to tell you what we're doing.
20:13And I get it because I'd be frustrated, too, if I was him.
20:15I mean, first of all, he did waste an enormous amount of political capital on this war.
20:19Whoever told him to do it, totally misguided.
20:22I think the president should have listened to people who have been loyal to him rather than dismissing them and
20:27banishing them.
20:28Because what we've learned is the neocons will always use you.
20:30They will never have your back.
20:31I thought we learned that in the first term of the Trump administration.
20:33I guess we didn't.
20:34But I understand some of the president's frustration on Capitol Hill because it's like, we never have the votes for
20:39the SAVE Act.
20:40We never have the votes to conform Bill Pulte.
20:42But we always have the votes for $9 billion more for Ukraine or $300 billion more for the war.
20:46And it's like, come on.
20:48Get real.
20:50I don't know.
20:51I mean, here's the thing.
20:53Republicans want to win elections.
20:54That's how government is.
20:55And look, they want to win elections.
20:58They don't act like it.
20:58And if you think, if they thought that all of those, if Bill Pulte and the SAVE Act were going
21:05to help them win elections, don't you think they would be running to cast their vote?
21:09I mean, they're not because it's not going to help them.
21:13I mean, this is a very, like, people are doing what's in their self-interest.
21:17Not only that, they passed what is honestly a sort of incredible feat, which is a bipartisan bill to advance,
21:22to lower the cost of housing.
21:23And he says, I'm not going to sign that.
21:25I'm going to wait until you pass the SAVE Act.
21:27I'm going to actively suppress the vote using the SAVE Act.
21:29I don't want to touch that housing bill.
21:31And he's actively also said, I don't want housing to get any cheaper.
21:35That's not how you lead when you care about winning the next election, which I do think begs the question,
21:40does Trump want to, well, does Trump want to win the midterms?
21:43I think he would prefer to win.
21:44But frankly, I don't think he's scared of losing.
21:47Because I think what he's learned is he's had everything thrown at him.
21:50He's been through the investigations.
21:51He's been through the subpoenas.
21:52He's been through the witch hunts.
21:53And he's actually learned that his political brand does a lot better when he's a political martyr on the ropes.
21:58And I think he's learned that, like, it doesn't matter.
22:00You guys are useless anyways.
22:02I'm going to keep the Senate, lose the House, and I'll have more time for the ballroom.
22:05than getting things done.
22:08Again, that's not really why the Tuckers and the Marjorie Taylor Greens are upset.
22:14But it is the truth.
22:15And it's one of the reasons that he's lost support from some people on Capitol Hill.
22:18But then again, you know, all the talk about Bill Cassidy confronting Trump in this meeting yesterday.
22:25And then he talks to CBS and he explains why he, by the end of the day, had already backed
22:31down from his criticism of the president.
22:33Listen.
22:36And I listed those objectives that I did not see being achieved and how the kind of end point of
22:42the war kept stretching out longer and longer.
22:45I need to know to serve my people and my state and my country.
22:48As it turns out, I got a briefing afterwards.
22:51In one sense, I actually accomplished the mission of what I needed to do.
22:54But you had also said the American people need that information.
22:58So the American people aren't getting those public hearings and briefings.
23:01So last night when I asked about that in my briefing, they said right now the negotiations are delicate.
23:08And they could collapse if they're not nursed along in the appropriate way.
23:14I can accept that.
23:17If it's that easy, I mean, what's the point of yelling at the president in a meeting
23:23if you're going to just back down that easily?
23:25Well, I think we have a term for that.
23:26It's called beer muscles.
23:28You know, this is a guy who had a little bit of an audience.
23:31He had his pals in the Senate.
23:32And he decided to take out, in his mind, what would be some revenge.
23:36Remember, this is someone who just came in third place in a race where his own constituents
23:41rejected his version of the Republican Party.
23:44Republican Louisiana voters said no to this guy, not just for the leading candidate,
23:48but for the person who came in second place was even better, more preferred to him.
23:51But you pointed out some other people, too.
23:53You pointed out Marjorie Taylor Greene.
23:55You pointed out Tucker Carlson.
23:56These are people that have always, you know, to their critics, had this fringe place in
24:03the Republican Party.
24:04And for the most part, the Republicans are more willing to cast aside fringe voices,
24:10people that go a little bit too extreme.
24:12In the Democratic Party, they do the opposite.
24:13They elect them to the highest offices.
24:15Is that true?
24:15Well, isn't Donald Trump president?
24:16Sure as shit is in New York, yeah.
24:17Isn't Donald Trump president?
24:18Well, also, Joe, Donald Trump has some of the more moderate views of the Republican Party.
24:23Joe, I don't think it's really true that I think that Republicans would have been totally
24:29fine with both Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene and all of their fringe beliefs
24:34if they had not challenged Trump.
24:40And that's the only reason.
24:41It's not because they're, like, too crazy for that now.
24:44Tucker Carlson literally went 180 degrees on all his views.
24:46He lost his show on Fox, lost his audience, and then did something or somehow got some
24:51new show.
24:52And now he has completely opposite views of where he once was.
24:54You guys were totally fine with him a year ago.
24:57And it's not just Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
25:04It's also John Cornyn, who's now an enemy, or a parcel of an enemy.
25:08It's also Tom Tillis.
25:10But I'm saying, Trump is making enemies at the same time when he needs to be making friends.
25:14And that's why Republicans in the Senate are actually pissed off him, why he's not getting
25:18his legislative agenda through, why he refuses to participate and sign the bill.
25:22The MAGA movement was against these insiders, like Cornyn, you know, like Cassidy.
25:27And right now, the voters took the side of Donald Trump.
25:30Donald Trump is toxic, and Republicans are starting to realize it.
25:32Why are all the Republican voters voting for Trump candidates if he's toxic?
25:35It's not true.
25:35They didn't have South Carolina earlier this week, though.
25:36He won almost every election he endorsed a candidate, except one in Iowa, one in South
25:40Carolina.
25:41You know, very few compared to the hundreds that won.
25:44All right.
25:44Let's leave it there.
25:45Next for us, deja vu all over again.
25:47That's what AOC thinks about the hand-wringing from Democrats, about the new wave of social
25:52ists who are winning primaries across the country.
25:54We'll discuss.
25:55That's next.
26:03Tonight, the Democratic Party establishment is reeling, trying and failing to contend
26:08with the size of its tent and the limits of its power over socialism.
26:13After all of Zoran Mabdani's endorsements won their primary challenges, it put the party
26:18leadership on notice.
26:20But as moderate Democrats worry the progressive left will drag down other Democrats, the face
26:26of the movement is defending it.
26:29I feel like it's deja vu all over again.
26:33There was so much fear around that when I was elected, and none of it bore out to be true.
26:41Voters vote for what is happening in their community and what's on their ballot.
26:46And I think that any candidate of any party that's running their own race has the responsibility
26:53to run their race, say what they believe, and be as attuned to their community and their
27:00voters as possible.
27:01While there may be personalities, I think what they want to see is policy.
27:05You know, are we fighting to guarantee health care for every American?
27:07Are we trying to raise wages?
27:09Are we tackling these huge corporations?
27:15She would know.
27:17She unseated an incumbent, a longtime Democrat, and she ran as a Democratic Socialist as well.
27:24So she knows.
27:26And do you think that she's right, that this is basically deja vu?
27:28It's her race, but times three.
27:30Well, it's not that she's right.
27:32She's right that this is similar to her race.
27:33But I can't remember her ever saying, you know, horrible, disparaging things about the
27:37American flag, you know, being part or founding an organization that wants to undermine the
27:42republic.
27:42This is what some of the candidates that won recently are doing.
27:45So they are much more further towards the radical left than AOC ever was.
27:50So, like, at some point, she's going to have to contend with what a lot of establishment
27:54Democrats have to come to face after 10, 20 years.
27:57They eventually become the establishment, and they get eaten by this new cadre.
28:01Look, what happened with the Democratic Party was this.
28:03For 10 years, for eight years, whatever you want to say, the party had no message other
28:08than orange man bad.
28:09And Zoran Mamdani, his allies, his compatriots, they filled that void with a very cogent series
28:15of ideas.
28:16It's called socialism, right?
28:17And they filled that void.
28:19And this is the only alternative message to Trump, right, out there in the ether.
28:24And people did pick up what they're putting down.
28:26Mamdani's a vote-getter, no question about that.
28:28But this is essentially good for a Republican Party because you have a lot of Democrats,
28:33even Letitia James, the attorney general here in New York, pushing back on the socialists.
28:38They're afraid of the socialists because they see the electoral possibility of what the
28:42Republicans can do.
28:43But isn't he right in the respect that Democrats have been coasting on Trump bad, Trump bad
28:49for years and years and years?
28:50And now there is an alternative message.
28:53They don't like it.
28:54Some of the establishment doesn't like it, but it is a real message.
28:57I agree, full stop.
28:58Like, if the establishment Democratic Party wants to beat out the socialists or the far
29:02left, like, put forward a message.
29:04Tell us what you want to do.
29:05Tell us how you're going to make housing cheaper, child care more affordable, solve the affordability
29:09crisis.
29:10Like, where's the vision?
29:11If the establishment and the old guard wanted to win, they should have been organizing.
29:15They should have been communicating.
29:16They should have been doing stuff.
29:18I think, like, the frustration that voters have right now that I think is so visceral and
29:22so deep is this sense that our leadership is not well-suited for the moment.
29:26They have neither the stomach nor the skills to fight in the way that we need, and they
29:30have failed to deliver on the promise that, like, oh, no, just elect us and we'll get it
29:33done, or, no, we know who can win.
29:36They have lost all sense of credibility with the Democratic base.
29:39They no longer reflect the party as it stands with voters.
29:42What I don't understand is why the Democrats are going down this socialism route, because
29:48that's not going to work in the rest of the country.
29:50It might work in New York City for a while.
29:51It might work in the rest of the country.
29:52Well, if you want to win the presidency, I believe it's going to have to work.
29:56So progressivism, when I hear progressivism, I think something a lot different than when
30:00I hear socialism.
30:01So when I hear Democrats saying, I'm a Democratic socialist, I'm thinking, why are you saying
30:05that?
30:05The Republicans do a hell of a job of identifying, we're going to call them socialists.
30:10Socialists hate America.
30:11Can I ask you something?
30:13Please.
30:14No disrespect, you don't have to answer this question, but how old are you?
30:17I'll be 60 in a couple weeks.
30:19You look great.
30:19Thank you.
30:20You look wonderful.
30:21Thank you.
30:21But I think the truth is that for a lot of younger people, they don't care about those
30:25labels.
30:26They don't know the difference.
30:27I mean, they know the difference, but it doesn't really matter to them as much.
30:29And part of the reason why, look at what's happening here in New York City.
30:33Just today, Zoran Mamdani just had a rent freeze that the rent control board established, which
30:39he promised he was going to deliver.
30:40He got universal child care through in the past six months.
30:43He's been in office.
30:44He's got crime down.
30:45And he's still had progressive...
30:47Let me finish.
30:48Let me finish.
30:50He's got crime down.
30:51He's got the Knicks winning historic championships.
30:55And he balanced the budget on top of that.
30:57If that's socialism, then sign me up.
30:59Because those are things that people want.
31:01He's delivering results for the people of the city.
31:04So can I just...
31:05So can I just...
31:06There's a protest by progressive Democrats against Mamdani.
31:10Sure.
31:10A treatment of the NYPD.
31:11Hold on, sure.
31:12So they're eating themselves.
31:13But just to be clear, I mean, what's fascinating is that look at this polling about...
31:17Let's start with Mamdani.
31:1948% of New Yorkers approve of him.
31:23Just 30% disapprove.
31:2423% are unsure.
31:26So he has a net positive approval rating in this city right now.
31:30Look at the national picture.
31:31Bernie Sanders is the most popular newsmaker, plus 11% favorability, followed only by AOC,
31:41who has a negative 4 approval rating.
31:44And then all these other...
31:45Look at Donald Trump.
31:46He's at literally the bottom...
31:48I don't know what Marco Rubio did to the public, but he is at the bottom of the list.
31:52But look, my point is that I don't know about the labels.
31:56I think that maybe people are too obsessed with that idea, because it seems like voters
32:02are not taking that seriously.
32:05They're also not taking the real controversies.
32:08Like, honestly, some of these candidates have said some things.
32:10They've deleted tweets.
32:12They've said some things that they don't even want to defend.
32:14But voters are just ignoring all of those things.
32:17And I feel like that is, if nothing else, that is actually a Donald Trump legacy.
32:21That is...
32:22Donald Trump set the table for that kind of thing in our politics.
32:25Well, I think Donald Trump inherited an...
32:27I always said Donald Trump's election...
32:29A happy country does not elect Donald Trump.
32:31An angry country elects Donald Trump.
32:34And Aristotle said that you have to have a thriving middle class in a democracy because
32:38it moderates the politics.
32:40And when that middle class shrinks and when it disappears, you're going to get political extremes.
32:45And this country has produced Donald Trump to the presidency, and now it's produced Mom Donnie
32:49in New York City, and AOC.
32:51We have a country where one in three Americans under 35 live with their parents.
32:57The average age of the first-time homebuyer is 40 years old.
33:01The main middle class pathway to upward mobility and a better life, college, has all but collapsed.
33:07Most people do not believe that going to college is the way to have a better life anymore.
33:13That has been our main economic highway for decades.
33:17All of that has collapsed.
33:19A civilized global superpower would look at all of those statistics and treat it like
33:23the national emergency that it is.
33:25Because what's going to happen is the United States is going to get revolution one way or another.
33:30We don't want to see it go down the path that Russia, France, Iran went down, where the young
33:36disenfranchised just revolted.
33:38People want...
33:39You're not going to beat left-wing populism with anything other than right-wing populism.
33:43America already said that's what they want.
33:45But the Trump administration has to double and triple down on its right-wing populist policies
33:49to blunt the riots.
33:51Otherwise, people are going to look for left-wing...
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