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00:00This is CNN Breaking News.
00:05Good evening, I'm Abby Phillip in New York.
00:08The results are rolling in on a number of key primary races across the country,
00:12including right here in New York, where we're watching a slew of high-profile contests
00:17that are testing the power of Zoran Mamdani, the mayor of this city.
00:21Now, the Democratic Socialists backed candidates in three House primaries,
00:25including two challengers taking on Democratic incumbents,
00:28and tonight's results could be a major indicator of where the party is headed this November.
00:34So let's get straight to CNN's chief national correspondent, John King, who's tracking the results live.
00:40Now, John, we've projected here at CNN two of the races being run by Mamdani's chosen candidates.
00:48What can you tell us about what happened in those races?
00:52Abby, in the two we've projected so far, it's the margins that tell you about the strength of the progressive
00:57movement.
00:57Right now, the strength of Mamdani, the strength of his organizations.
01:01Let's start here.
01:02This is the first one we called.
01:03This is the 10th district.
01:05Brad Lander was a mayoral rival back in the early days, then a Mamdani supporter,
01:10had his endorsement in this race.
01:11And look at this versus a Democratic incumbent member of Congress.
01:15Incumbents rarely lose primaries.
01:16When they do lose, it's not by margins like that.
01:19That tells you, wow.
01:20Now Brad Lander has been a statewide, citywide official, excuse me.
01:22He has a big following in the area.
01:25So he has his own strengths in addition to the progressive strength of the moment and the mayor's endorsement.
01:29But that is a thumping of an incumbent.
01:32Then you move over here to the 7th district.
01:34The incumbent here is retiring, Nidia Velasquez.
01:37As you know, she's a powerful force in New York City politics.
01:40She had endorsed the Brooklyn Borough president over Mamdani's pick.
01:44The Democratic Socialist, Claire Valdez, again, look at the margin.
01:48Nidia Velasquez has a big organization in her district.
01:52She is a powerful force, will remain a powerful voice in city politics.
01:55But she was thumped tonight by the mayor's choice there.
01:59And then now we're waiting here.
02:00This one is the closest one of them tonight.
02:02This is the third race where the mayor endorsed in the 13th district, again, taking a risk,
02:08going against not only the Democratic establishment, but a Democratic incumbent and a senior member
02:12of the Democratic Party in Washington in Congress.
02:16Right now his candidate, though, has a narrow lead, about 86% of the vote in.
02:20So this is the only close one.
02:21This is the only close one against a very prominent, very powerful Democratic incumbent there.
02:26But so far the mayor has two wins and his candidate is leading in the third as he tries to
02:30make,
02:30not just in the city and not just in the state, but he's trying to make a national statement
02:34about Democratic Socialists and about progressives and about fight.
02:38And, John, as we were just speaking, we've got some breaking news coming in to CNN.
02:44Let's go over to New York 12.
02:50Let's go over to New York 12 because that's where CNN is now projecting that Micah Lasher
02:54will now win that pretty crowded Democratic primary.
02:59He defeats Alex Boris, who was just trailing him in that race.
03:04Now, John, this was one of those interesting races where you had a Kennedy,
03:09you had a strong Trump opponent, you had an Alex Boris,
03:14someone who's running essentially against big tech,
03:17and now you have Micah Lasher winning this race.
03:20Talk to us about what we should know.
03:21For all the attention on this race and a ton of money thrown into this primary,
03:25you mentioned a lot of it by AI forces in this race.
03:28But essentially what you had here every year in the city, I'm here in D.C.,
03:31this was West Side versus East Side more than anything else,
03:35more than the celebrity candidates, more than the Kennedy grandson,
03:37more than George Conway.
03:39This was West Side versus East Side.
03:41Both members of the state assembly there and Micah Lasher winning this race 39 percent to 35 percent.
03:47You see Jack Schlossberg, President Kennedy's grandson, getting only 11 percent.
03:52And you see you have to go all the way down.
03:54George Conway running last in this primary with just 6 percent.
03:57So a lot of understandable focus because he switched parties,
04:00because he's the ex-husband of Kellyanne Conway, a fierce Trump critic.
04:05Obviously, the Kennedy name on the ballot brought celebrity to this race.
04:08But this became about two very popular local politicians in this central Manhattan district right there.
04:13And Lasher now projected to win that state.
04:16This is a very, very safe Democratic seat.
04:18It's the most wealthy congressional district in New York City.
04:21Jerry Nadler, the longtime incumbent, retiring.
04:24Certainly a blue Democratic seat come November.
04:27And we should note, this race was not one that Mamdani endorsed him.
04:31So we're still waiting for the one to see where this narrative goes.
04:36And we'll be watching that as the night goes on.
04:38John King, thank you very much.
04:39We'll be back with you as the night progresses.
04:41My panel is here with me.
04:44Let's start with the two candidates that Zoran Mamdani endorsed.
04:49We're still waiting again for the fate of New York 13,
04:52which frankly is perhaps one of the more controversial of his endorsements.
04:56But if he were to get a clean sweep tonight, that message,
05:02what is the message that is being sent to national Democrats as a result of it?
05:07Yeah, I think it's a reckoning.
05:08I think it's a wake-up call.
05:09I think people are trying to say over and over again that we're tired of how the game has been
05:13played.
05:14We've tried it your way.
05:15We've tried it with your consultants.
05:17We've tried it with you reaching across the aisle.
05:19And we're tired.
05:20And we want people who are looking out for the people.
05:22And that's what Mamdani represents.
05:24I think we're not going back.
05:26I think we have to really understand that this version of predatory capitalism has come to its fruition.
05:31And we're kind of all in this monopoly game where that one person has all the money and all the
05:35property on the table.
05:36And we're like, this isn't fun anymore.
05:37We have to try new rules to this game.
05:39And this is what we're being offered with the Democratic Socialist Party.
05:42But, Neera, do you think that, I mean, what then, right?
05:46Like, is Democratic Socialism really something that is exportable outside of New York?
05:52Let me just read this quote from John Fetterman, who's no fan of the socialists.
05:58He says to Manu Raju, the dirtbag left is surging.
06:03That's what he says is happening tonight in some of these primaries.
06:07Well, I think it's hard to take advice from John Fetterman these days about where the Democratic Party is.
06:11As I will note, he had a lot of left support when he was running and then turned his back
06:17on the left pretty quickly when he came into power.
06:20I think we should look across the board.
06:24There's also another important race in New York, New York 17.
06:27It'll be Mike Lawler's seat.
06:28That is the most, that is a seat that is really up for grabs.
06:32It's contesting a Republican seat.
06:34They're a, you know, a woman, one, Kate Conley has been declared in some places.
06:39And she is a former military leader and has served many, many times in, across, across the oceans to protect
06:51Americans.
06:51And I think, you know, she was facing a more progressive candidate.
06:56But people there were looking for a more moderate person to go up against a Republican.
07:00I think this is a healthy Democratic Party.
07:02In urban cores, like in New York City, places where there are a lot of liberal voices, people are hungry
07:08for change.
07:09And I think they are angry at some establishment figures that have left them down.
07:15But also where you need to put up competitive races and competitive candidates, Democratic primary voters are still selecting candidates
07:23who can best beat the Republicans.
07:25They're pulling the brand leftward.
07:27I mean, the Democratic Party now is the Democratic Socialist Party of America.
07:31They're for anti-Semitism.
07:32They're for confiscation.
07:33They're against capitalism.
07:34Come on.
07:35We're for anti-Semitism?
07:36That's obscene.
07:37That's an obscene statement.
07:38And, you know, you also can look tonight and see somebody else is a big loser.
07:42That's Hakeem Jeffries.
07:44Hakeem Jeffries is going to lose these races in New York where Zorn Mandami is endorsed.
07:47He didn't endorse these races.
07:48He did endorse.
07:49He endorsed Goldman.
07:50He endorsed his incumbent members of Congress.
07:52If he can't get the Hispanic Caucus chairman across the line in a city where he's the leading figure of
07:58the political machine, then his stick is very short in the U.S. Capitol.
08:02And that's because Hakeem Jeffries himself, as liberal as he is, is not far left enough for today's Democratic primary
08:07voters.
08:08It's not about being far left.
08:10Also, he was right in his race.
08:11The Democratic Socialist Party of America's critique is that the Democratic Party is not.
08:15But the thing is, you just made a statement about.
08:17You have to realize those words don't scare people anymore.
08:19Is that saying socialist and saying.
08:21First off, I'll say that, especially with three that are moving forward.
08:24Look, I'm going to tell you my viewpoint as somebody who lives in Los Angeles, right?
08:28A lot of people in, like, you know this too, you live in L.A.
08:30The number one thing they're saying is why can't we have a mom dying?
08:33That's what they're saying.
08:34And it's about energy.
08:35It's not really about some of the things you guys have named.
08:38And they look at him doing things.
08:40They look at him sort of breaking the mold about and imagining things in a different way.
08:46And that's what has been missing from the Democratic Party is imagination.
08:49They don't have any imagination.
08:51You don't win Congress in New York or L.A.
08:53You win at Pennsylvania for John Fetterman.
08:55CNN has a projection.
08:56I'm going to go straight to John King over at the Magic Wall.
08:59And that projection, Abby, means that the mayor, Mom Donnelly, does get a sweep of the three races in which
09:04he endorsed in Democratic primaries tonight.
09:06The Democratic Socialist candidate, Daniela Elisa Avila-Chevalier, beating a powerful Democratic, longstanding Democratic incumbent, Adriano Espaillat.
09:14A much more narrow race than the other two districts here.
09:17But this is, again, a mayor making a statement.
09:20This is a candidate making a statement.
09:22You're having the conversation with your panel about we want new, we want different, and, yes, we want more liberal
09:26in this particular case.
09:28Espaillat is certainly a Democrat and a progressive.
09:30But this is part of the generational divide.
09:32We've also seen the Democratic Party.
09:34We want new.
09:34We want younger.
09:35But there's one for the mayor.
09:38There's two for the mayor.
09:40And there's three tonight.
09:41So the conversation is going to be, Abby, number one, how much power does Zoran Mom Donnelly have in New
09:46York City politics?
09:47Number two, he's also making some enemies tonight, let's be honest.
09:49He's been mayor six months, and he's gone against two Democratic incumbents and the wishes of the retiring Democratic incumbent
09:55in the third district there.
09:56But he's making a statement for the city, for the state.
09:59And he's also making a statement of where he thinks the Democratic Party should go nationally, both for the next
10:04five months and into 2028.
10:05So as you're discussing with your panel, can you export this?
10:09Can you sell what he wants to do in New York City, where his candidates clearly are winning tonight, where
10:13he won clearly, convincingly?
10:15Can you sell it?
10:16Well, he wants to be part of that debate, and tonight he's proving he gets a big role in it.
10:21You know, this is a really important conversation, because Zoran Mom Donnelly, thank you, John King.
10:25Zoran Mom Donnelly is, he took a big swing, right, as we were just discussing.
10:31And you don't take those kinds of swings unless you think you can win, and he did.
10:36And this last race that we just called, just one second, because I think this is super important.
10:41Daria Lisa Avila-Chevalier is one of the more controversial candidates.
10:46CNN earlier in the year reported that she had deleted previous Twitter posts expressing views for abolishing police, prisons, borders,
10:57seizing private property, nationalizing major industries, calling into question Israel's right to exist.
11:05She spoke to a friend of the show, Estet Herndon, in a recent interview, said that all deportations are immoral.
11:14So, all of that being said, there she is, defeating a Democratic incumbent, a powerful member of the Hispanic caucus,
11:23who's been there.
11:24The chairman.
11:24The chairman.
11:25He's been there for a really long time.
11:27I mean, you could say that all of this is just controversial, she's a bad candidate, but she's likely to
11:31just be the congressperson.
11:34And does it not suggest, though, that people, the voters, looked at that and they were like, we don't really
11:38care about that, we care about all these other things?
11:40I think that's the problem for the greater Democratic Party in this district or in these three districts.
11:46You have the ones who are the furthest to the left, who, under no uncertain terms, support open borders, do
11:52not support any deportation.
11:54And even in that podcast interview, I mean, she was given a follow-up of, even if it's a murderer,
12:00even if it's a rapist, no, they shouldn't be deported.
12:04Republicans are very obviously going to take advantage of this, and it's going to hurt the Democrats nationwide.
12:09You could win in New York, you could win in Seattle, you can win in Portland and Los Angeles.
12:14But that's where you're going to win.
12:16And if we're able to define the Democrats, who have tried to run away from this label of being socialist,
12:21being open borders, being, you know, pro-crime or anti-Israel,
12:24if that's the goal of the Democratic Party, to run from that, you're not going to be able to do
12:29that anymore.
12:29But you forget one important thing.
12:30People are broke.
12:31That's the other part you forget, is that the affordability crisis in this country, I think, is a major win
12:36for a lot of Democrats.
12:37It's like, again, all those little scary terms y'all like to use to try to throw people off and
12:42say...
12:42She's open borders, right?
12:43And I'm not saying that I agree with that.
12:46That is what she believes.
12:46But there's extreme mega candidates, too, that run on way worse things than this.
12:50Do you call them out as well?
12:51Yes, we do.
12:52And guess what, they still get elected.
12:53You know why?
12:54Because there is core things that still resonate with people, and all the scary times aren't going to get them
13:00off of that.
13:00At the end of the day, if people are broke, they do not care.
13:03In far-left districts where Republicans aren't running, like, Republicans don't lose anything tonight in these districts.
13:09But they are going to be dealing with some of these far-left candidates in, say, Maine.
13:15I mean, to come up for Congressman Golden's position, you guys put someone very far to the left,
13:20and that's now going to go into the Republican camp.
13:23We're going to pick that seat up.
13:24When you're going into moderate...
13:26I don't think you will, my friend.
13:27I think that's the thing.
13:28You guys keep putting out all these scary terms.
13:30No, we've heard all this anti-Semitism and we are evil and we're open borders.
13:34But listen, that's one candidate that you're talking about in the entire country.
13:39No, listen.
13:40That is the part of the Democratic Socialists.
13:42There are people struggling in this country, and we need representatives that don't just represent the donors
13:47and the lobby groups and the billionaires.
13:50Mamdani is showing us that you can deliver.
13:52It is possible to run and keep your promises.
13:55I would love to talk without you talking over me the entire time.
14:00He's also out there saying that he's going to align himself with the folks that do not believe in Israel's
14:05right to...
14:05Look, Redlander, look, I just answered your question.
14:09If you want to throw that in love, I'll say find me an extreme mega politician that's not bigoted.
14:15What about what Jamel is saying?
14:18I mean, isn't the story of the last 10 years of politics, especially in this Trump era, that there are,
14:25even in the Republican tent,
14:27plenty of people to the far right that have been welcomed into the tent.
14:33And maybe they're toxic, maybe they're controversial, but they still get elected in their ruby red districts.
14:39It just seems like a parallel thing is starting to happen on the Democratic side.
14:43And part of what's happening is that Democrats are actually learning from what Republicans did over the last 10 years.
14:49I don't think they're learning. I don't really think they are learning.
14:50I mean, I think if you look back, this happened to us.
14:53In 2010 and 2012, you can look at candidates like Sharon Angle and Richard Murdoch and Todd Aiken.
14:58We left a lot of Senate seats and House seats on the table because we did things that made the
15:03most radical people in our party happy.
15:07And you guys are celebrating, oh, we're taking our party back.
15:10We're finally sending a message.
15:11It's a message that swing voters are going to be scared of.
15:14Congresswoman Shevalia, Congresswoman-elect Shevalia, I'd like to invite her to come campaign in any of the districts where I'm
15:19working with candidates this year.
15:21She would be welcome. We might pay her travel expenses.
15:23I would like her to be an ambassador of the Democratic Party.
15:26But she's not an ambassador of the Democratic Party.
15:28Sure she is. Of course she is.
15:29She just won tonight.
15:29You just said it.
15:30No, she's not.
15:32I'm sorry, aren't you celebrating the unity that she's bringing to the base of the Democratic Party?
15:37You're saying that she's energizing everyone?
15:39No, we're saying, I think we started this by talking, I think we started this by saying her race was
15:44the closest, that Mamdani was the thing that we were celebrating.
15:48And Mamdani is showing that politicians can, again, I'm speaking and you keep talking over me.
15:54I would love to finish a point.
15:56Okay, hold on a second.
15:57Just finish your point and then you can respond.
16:00My point is, we were talking about Mamdani.
16:03Mamdani, in six months, has shown what the Democrats have not been able to show in years.
16:08That you can say you're going to get something done and then you can get it done.
16:11That you can look out for the people and you can actually deliver for them.
16:13That if you don't answer to the billionaire class, you don't answer to a lobby group and you don't answer
16:18to your donors, then you can actually keep looking out for the people.
16:22And that's why when we're talking about John saying, you know, is this Mamdani's idea?
16:26This is what a lot of us in the country want.
16:29We want politicians that answer to us, that look out for us, that represent us.
16:34Mamdani said he wants to seize the means of production.
16:36He says he wants to fix your...
16:37He does not say he wants to...
16:39He hasn't been throwing sexualism around since the 4th grads.
16:41It's like a scary word that we're all supposed to glorify by.
16:42He said that. That's a quote from him.
16:45Jason, respond to that and also square it with the fact that Trump said all those things about Mamdani, but,
16:54you know, he's cool with him now.
16:56He had him at the White House.
16:57They're working together on issues on housing.
17:00I don't know.
17:00Trump doesn't seem to be sort of following through on his pledge to use Mamdani against the Democrats.
17:07He seems to be wanting to walk hand in hand.
17:09But you don't think that Republicans are going to use this, including Donald Trump, once we get closer to...
17:12I'm just wondering how effective that's going to be if the president is effectively clasping hands with Mamdani and they're
17:21walking into the future of New York City together.
17:23Well, is Mamdani clasping hands with Donald Trump?
17:24I mean, I think it goes a little bit both ways, where they're trying to say, we can work together,
17:29especially in New York.
17:30And New York is a special case, obviously, for the president.
17:32But the bigger picture issue for the party is more damaging.
17:37You can win these races in New York.
17:39You're not going to win them elsewhere.
17:41I disagree.
17:42You can't say Mamdani is a beacon to show Democrats how to win and then say we can't take the
17:47socialism to other places.
17:48That is true, right?
17:50You can win them in New York, but these candidates may not be exportable to other parts of the country.
17:56They will pull the brand left.
17:57Well, I mean, I think those are two separate things.
17:59You're saying that everybody gets tainted by it.
18:02There is a scenario in which Democrats actually run the right candidates in the right places.
18:07Yes, I mean, that's what democracy is supposed to be.
18:09This whole issue of 2010 and 2012, you're absolutely right.
18:15Republicans took a very competitive races and they put very extreme candidates in.
18:20And I think that is not what's happening in the Democratic Party today.
18:24What you said today is in the most liberal parts of America, they found very liberal candidates.
18:30And, you know, those people should represent, they should get the representatives they want.
18:35But as I pointed out, in competitive districts and states, they were nominating, Democrats were nominating, sometimes more moderate candidates.
18:44Josh Turek just won in Iowa against a more progressive candidate, a great candidate, more progressive candidate.
18:50But people believe he has a better chance of defeating Ashley Hinson.
18:54And I think that we also saw that today in New York 17.
18:58And that's a healthy party.
18:59Not in northern Maine, not Graham Plattner, not in California against David Valadeo.
19:04We are seeing, how do we know?
19:06Because the House Democrats have been spending money to try to stop these people from winning.
19:10So, okay, this is the setup, right, for the fall in 2028.
19:14We'll see what happens in all of those races.
19:16Next for us, the president admits that he meddled in California's elections, asking the U.S. attorney to do him
19:22a favor.
19:23We'll discuss.
19:24Plus, more breaking news tonight.
19:26Tonight, the Senate joins the House in voting to halt the Iran war and limit Trump's war powers.
19:44Tonight, as we continue to watch the primary elections across the country, President Trump is suggesting that he interfered in
19:51California's elections,
19:53after falsely claiming that the state's voting was rigged against GOP gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton.
20:00I called up the very powerful, very good U.S. attorney in California, and I said, do me a favor.
20:06Take a look.
20:07They're trying to steal that election, too.
20:09About an hour after the call, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Hilton has won.
20:15So, had I not made that call, Steve Hilton would right now be looking, watching the election from home.
20:24Hilton will face former Health and Human Services Secretary Javier Becerra in November,
20:29and Trump has repeatedly accused California of election fraud, despite having zero evidence for it.
20:35But this is the first time that he's acknowledged directly asking for an investigation and an intervention in an ongoing
20:44election.
20:45I mean, there's the Georgia case when he calls up and asks for the missing votes.
20:51But what is he doing here?
20:54And I don't think anybody should feel comfortable about the president picking up the phone,
20:59asking the U.S. attorney to dig into an election that is currently underway with zero evidence of anything going
21:05wrong.
21:06Well, Steve Hilton said he didn't have any evidence of anything going wrong either.
21:10The president likes these narratives.
21:12But there is one part about his frustration that is legitimate.
21:15California takes too long to count the votes, and they do it deliberately.
21:19First off, they let you mail your ballot on election day, so it can come in a week afterward.
21:24Then they let you have weeks to come in and cure your ballot if there's a problem with your signature.
21:28It doesn't intercom...
21:30No, it doesn't intercom...
21:31Hold on, you're laying out a bunch of legal things in the state of California.
21:34Hold on.
21:35You're laying out a bunch of things that are perfectly legal in the state of California.
21:40You might find them annoying, fine, but they are legal.
21:43Why is the president picking up the phone, calling the U.S. attorney,
21:46and basically asking him to make his preferred candidate win?
21:51He's asking to investigate if there's any fraud.
21:53And it is not just a frustrating...
21:55And why does he think...
21:55It's not an annoying thing.
21:56But why does he think...
21:57Why does Trump think that as a result of that phone call,
22:01the magic result was that his candidate won?
22:04I can't tell you why he thinks what he thinks.
22:06But I can tell you that most voters, regular Americans,
22:08think it's ridiculous that California takes so long to count votes.
22:11Most voters don't live in California.
22:14They don't have to worry about it.
22:15They don't live there.
22:16Do you want it fast or do you want it accurate?
22:18Well, exactly.
22:18Do you want it fast or do you want it...
22:19You can have it fast and accurate.
22:20No, you can't.
22:21Not in a state with 40 million people.
22:23Sure, no, you can.
22:23No, we have a lot of people.
22:25Texas counts their ballots much faster with a similar population.
22:28It's a state that gets to decide how its election works.
22:31And California is a state that gets to allow how its elections work.
22:36It's not illegal.
22:36It's not an illegal thing.
22:38It's just the rules in California.
22:39It takes a long time to count them to make sure they're all legal.
22:41And there are bad rules that engender a lack of confidence.
22:43And again, you don't live there.
22:46We're fine with it.
22:47We're fine.
22:48We're both from California.
22:49Why does it actually engender a lack of confidence?
22:52Like, Steve Hilton, like every other candidate in California,
22:55Republican and Democrat,
22:56looks at the election ballots coming in.
22:59He won some late ballots, too.
23:01Sure.
23:01It doesn't...
23:02You know, he does not have a lack of confidence.
23:04I just think saying things like it engenders a lack of confidence...
23:07Around the world, swift counting with certainty
23:11upon the receipt of ballots on election day
23:14equates to confidence in the process.
23:16No, it's not.
23:16Yes, it does.
23:17It happens everywhere else in the world.
23:18That's also what the data suggests.
23:20It is the data, yes.
23:21The polling overwhelmingly suggests
23:22that the longer it takes for a result,
23:24the more questions people have.
23:26It's not a fraud.
23:27Just a second.
23:28He was talking about fraud.
23:29But hold on.
23:29You've never done a recap?
23:30Just a second.
23:31Just a second.
23:31This is not a conversation.
23:33This is not a conversation about what engenders confidence.
23:36Yeah.
23:37This is a conversation about whether or not
23:39there was actually any wrongdoing,
23:41any reason for you or you or the president
23:44to say that there was anything
23:46that went wrong in this election.
23:48Do you have evidence?
23:49I'm not taking that position.
23:51Okay.
23:51I haven't taken that position.
23:52Well, then, that's what we're talking about here.
23:53I like mail-in voting.
23:54We are not talking about vibes, okay?
23:59Like, the point is that President Trump
24:02has claimed election fraud in every election
24:06that he has lost, okay?
24:08Why?
24:08Not because there was anything wrong
24:10with those elections,
24:11but because he doesn't like losing.
24:13So when the president of the United States
24:15with the biggest bully pulpit in the world
24:17tells all of the people in this country
24:20to not trust elections,
24:21what do you think doesn't engender confidence?
24:24Is it that they're counting the ballots
24:26or is it because the president,
24:28with his megaphone, is casting doubt
24:30because he doesn't like to lose?
24:32But, I mean, you got to...
24:33Which one is it?
24:35No, but which one engenders less confidence?
24:38I don't think it's like that.
24:39Is it the actual way that they count ballots
24:41or is it the president sowing doubt?
24:43No, it's the way they count ballots.
24:45It is the way it's.
24:45So you mean that you're suggesting
24:46that it's not the president
24:48repeatedly lying about elections?
24:50So you mean to tell me
24:50if Steve Hilton was the runaway winner,
24:52we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.
24:54This is going to not happen anymore in about a week.
24:56The Supreme Court is considering
24:57Watson v. Republican National Committee,
24:59which is a lawsuit that will stop states
25:02from accepting ballots after Election Day.
25:04Every state in the country
25:05will have to have ballots in the door
25:07by the time the polls close.
25:09That is the first step
25:10toward getting a system...
25:12But that is very problematic.
25:13Actually, it's ridiculous
25:13that Republicans are championing
25:15a state, basically,
25:17a Supreme Court throwing out state rules on voting.
25:19Here's the thing.
25:20Even if that, let's say that happens,
25:22that would be a change of the rules.
25:24Everyone gets to abide by the rules.
25:26Guess what?
25:26The rules are what they are today.
25:28But I do want to ask you again.
25:30Do you think that Trump's repeated lies
25:33about elections have eroded confidence
25:35in elections in this country?
25:37I don't think that Trump's suspicions
25:39about mail ballot...
25:40What about the lies?
25:41Reflect...
25:41What about the lies, Brad?
25:44Reflect the suspicions of the voters.
25:44No, seriously.
25:44I think they reflect suspicions of the voters.
25:47I don't think we're going to ask that question.
25:49I'm asking you a question.
25:50You're not going to ask the question.
25:51Because Trump is not talking about
25:53things that he just doesn't like.
25:54He is straight up lying about things
25:57that happened in elections.
25:58In the 2020 election,
25:59he lied repeatedly about
26:02about pretty much everything
26:04that he claimed happened in that election.
26:06You don't think those lies had any impact?
26:08I am talking about
26:09what this segment was here.
26:11We showed a bite of the president
26:13talking about the California election
26:14counting process causing a lack of confidence.
26:17He's crying.
26:18So hold on a second.
26:19No.
26:19So Trump, again...
26:21I don't think he should call the U.S. attorney,
26:22but I think he's right that the problem...
26:24He's saying he's calling the U.S. attorney.
26:24In this case, Brad,
26:26Trump is also lying
26:27about what's going on in California.
26:29And you don't think that that's a problem?
26:31I didn't hear him cite any evidence
26:33of fraud in California.
26:34I don't...
26:34Steve Hilden says there's no evidence.
26:35But he lied by saying...
26:36But his call changed the result.
26:38His call didn't change the result.
26:40It didn't.
26:40But you're losing the plot here.
26:42No, you're losing the plot.
26:43You're losing the plot.
26:44The substantive thing that affects this country...
26:45No, I'm just trying to defend something
26:47that's indefensible.
26:48That's why you sound crazy right now.
26:50Actually, what affects the country
26:51in November is the fact
26:54that the president of the United States
26:55lies about elections...
26:57I get it.
26:57Democrats think everything's about Donald Trump.
26:59It's about...
27:00This segment was actually about Donald Trump.
27:03Let me try this one more time.
27:08In the Republican-controlled state of Georgia,
27:11Trump went searching for thousands of votes.
27:16Was he lying about what happened to those votes?
27:19I think that ballot was counted
27:21by people who I trust to count.
27:23I think the Georgia result was legit.
27:23So was he telling the truth or was he lying?
27:25I'm not going to evaluate everything Donald Trump has ever said.
27:27No, you just don't want to call him a liar.
27:28That's not going to do it.
27:29I just don't want to say what it is.
27:31All right.
27:31We can play this game if you want.
27:32Well, no, it is not a game.
27:34Here's the thing.
27:35It is...
27:35What do we do about fixing confidence in elections?
27:37It is not...
27:38It is actually not...
27:39It is actually not...
27:39Ending mail balloting ending post-election counter.
27:41It is actually not a game.
27:43Thank you.
27:43It's not a game.
27:44Correct.
27:44It is actually about what is true
27:46and what is false.
27:47Correct.
27:47We need to not count ballots after election day.
27:50But that's not the point.
27:51If the president has proof of fraud, he would have brought it forward by now.
27:56But the truth is that he has lied repeatedly.
27:58It has been proven.
27:59He has lost every single case when it comes to the election claims that he has made.
28:04Those are lies, okay?
28:06That is not a game.
28:07You can keep litigating Donald Trump's word if you want.
28:08It's more constructive if we talk about what is causing the American public a lot of confidence.
28:13The plot is...
28:14And that is the fact that California counts ballots in such a way that people can't trust it.
28:18Here's the plot.
28:19In America, people get to cast votes.
28:21Those votes get to be counted according to the jurisdictions where they live.
28:25They should count them by election day.
28:26They should count it.
28:27Period.
28:27They should show up in person on election day.
28:30If there is fraud, that's the way you want to do it.
28:33And any time that somebody has a claim of fraud, bring the evidence.
28:37We'll take a look at it.
28:38The courts will take a look at it, but that has never happened.
28:41But we should have a mechanism that has as little subjectivity in it as possible.
28:46Hey, I'm still waiting for President Trump to bring the evidence of fraud that he claims
28:51is in California or anywhere else where he has lost an election.
28:55And let's see if it's actually real or if it changes the result.
28:59So far, it has not.
29:00Next for us, breaking news.
29:02In a rare rebuke, the Senate has voted to limit Trump's power in this war against Iran,
29:07including removing military forces from Iran.
29:09So what happens now?
29:10We're going to debate that next.
29:20Breaking tonight.
29:21Both chambers of Congress want to rein in Donald Trump's war powers.
29:25In the Senate, four Republicans joined all but one Democrat to pass a war powers resolution
29:30that directs Trump to remove military forces from the war in Iran.
29:34The vote is largely symbolic, and it's unclear exactly how it can be enforced.
29:39But it comes as Iran denies, as the president claims, that Tehran has agreed to, quote,
29:44the highest level nuclear inspections until infinity.
29:48He was asked about their denial, and this is what he said.
29:53The rioters are saying there's no scheduled visit for the IAE inspectors.
29:57Is that part of your agreement?
29:59They're wrong.
30:00They're wrong.
30:01They're wrong.
30:01They know they're wrong.
30:02They told us inside, and we have it down 100% inspections.
30:07And if they were right, I'd cancel the meetings right now.
30:10When will those inspectors actually be on the ground?
30:13At the appropriate time.
30:14At the appropriate time.
30:15There's no rush.
30:16But they'll be on the ground at the appropriate time.
30:21I mean, you know, I'm not suggesting that we should take Iranian officials at their word.
30:29But I will ask this.
30:31When J.D. Vance says, oh, everything's fine because we have a handshake deal with them behind the scenes,
30:39how are we supposed to know that anything has actually been accomplished when none of this is written down?
30:45The Iranians are denying it.
30:47Nothing is actually happening.
30:49It seems like if there is a handshake deal, they can't trust that handshake.
30:53Oh, I agree.
30:54So there's two separate issues.
30:55Number one, anything Iran says should not be trusted.
30:59They are a terrorist state.
31:01They put out information because they're also talking to their own constituency and the hardliners in Iran.
31:05Pushing that aside, yeah, we shouldn't just trust Iran.
31:08And we'll know what is part of this deal in 55 days or whatever that number is because that's when
31:13we'll actually get it.
31:15I think there's a lot of speculation.
31:16The president is clearly taking a stance saying we're not going to have a deal unless this is a part
31:21of it.
31:21And is this perhaps part of the negotiating to let Iran know, yeah, we're not going to have a deal
31:27unless this is agreed to?
31:29Maybe.
31:29I don't know.
31:30But I certainly believe that Iranian officials are talking behind the scenes in a way that's different than they're talking
31:35publicly.
31:35I mean, can I just say, since this war started, I've been on the show a few times and every
31:42single time it's like the president says he's not going to sign a deal or come to any agreement unless,
31:49you know, this has been achieved or that has been achieved or this has been achieved.
31:53I mean, obviously, you could have nuclear inspectors in today and they don't have them and we ended military hostilities.
32:02The truth is, let's just be honest and candid.
32:06We gave away all of our leverage with the seizing of the bombing.
32:10Good to not.
32:11It's good to seize the bombing.
32:12Shouldn't have started the war in the first place.
32:14But we have very little leverage with them and the president keeps talking and is about different things that he's
32:20going to accomplish that we have no reason to believe will actually ever happen.
32:27And I think all of this is honestly a PR strategy to manage his defeat, our defeat in this war
32:33that he has started and is basically handing over power to the Iranians.
32:37So that's on the IAEA inspections.
32:40There's also the missiles.
32:42Iran's president says the discussion over our missiles does not exist in the MOU and it never will.
32:47If we did not have the missiles we use for our defense, Israel and the United States would have devastated
32:53Iran.
32:54He is right that there is no talk of missiles in the MOU.
32:58And I don't know, you say don't listen to Iran, but here is Trump back in March of this year.
33:05And then here's Trump on June 17th, just recently, as they're working through this MOU.
33:11Listen, our objectives are clear.
33:15First, we're destroying Iran's missile capabilities.
33:20And you see that happening on an hourly basis and their capacity to produce brand new ones and pretty good
33:26ones they make.
33:27Well, what am I going to do?
33:29Are they going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles, but they can't have them?
33:32Yes, sir.
33:34It doesn't work that way, you know.
33:37It doesn't work that way.
33:38And missiles aren't the problem.
33:39Missiles are, they hurt a little location, but they don't blow up the planet.
33:46Maybe they are aligned.
33:48Maybe the United States and Iran are aligned that they ought to have missiles after all this.
33:53The president was right on March 2nd.
33:55He's wrong now.
33:56And the U.S. Senate was wrong today to limit the ability to keep the American military there.
34:00It's the one stick that's in the deal.
34:02And what is a very bad deal, in my opinion, right now at least at the MOU stage, the one
34:06stick in the deal is that American forces don't have to leave the region until 30 days after the full
34:11agreement is completed.
34:12And so today the U.S. Senate, and I think a few Republicans made very bad votes here.
34:16They took advantage of the fact that Mitch McConnell was in the hospital.
34:19Dave McCormick was traveling with the president.
34:21That was a mistake on the Senate's part.
34:23And the Republicans who voted for them, they were dead wrong today.
34:26They should have left the stick in that American forces stay in the region until 30 days after the conclusion
34:32of a successful deal.
34:33I think a larger problem with this is that the entire Trump administration is trying to tell people they're tasting
34:41caviar when it's a doo-doo sandwich.
34:42And we know this about this deal.
34:45And there's nothing about it that looks good.
34:47But at this point, we've gone so far down the line of something we never should have been in in
34:50the first place that it's leaving us very few options in terms of how we extract ourselves in a peaceful
34:56way.
34:57I've said it many times on this show since this has all started.
35:00Iran is fighting a different war.
35:02And it feels like the Trump administration does not understand this.
35:06Americans don't want the war.
35:07They're not good with the gas prices.
35:09They're not good with casualties.
35:10They're not good with a lot of it.
35:11Iran, when your enemy is able to take a punch and doesn't mind getting hit, that's a different kind of
35:17war.
35:18Like, they don't mind suffering.
35:20We mind the suffering.
35:21They know this.
35:22They know midterms are coming up.
35:23As you said, we've lost all the leverage.
35:25What's the deal that you're upset about specifically?
35:29It's not that I'm upset with the fact that we're even in this.
35:31No, no, and I agree.
35:33And I'm concerned that December, you could lead to a bad deal, right?
35:37But the folks who are saying...
35:38I don't see how it does it.
35:39Why do you?
35:39But you're saying that you disagree with the deal.
35:41The deal hasn't been set yet.
35:43Okay.
35:43To your point, is that we don't know what the exact...
35:46And you and I might be on the same page at the end of it.
35:48Let her respond to you.
35:49Yeah, no, I think you're right.
35:50Okay, we don't know the exact term, but everything that we're hearing is disturbing.
35:54And that is the point.
35:56Is that, no, I don't trust Iran and the PR campaign they're running.
35:59I realize they're running it.
36:00The problem is we have a president that lies all the time.
36:03So we don't really know who to believe and who to trust,
36:06and that's leaving everyone who's an American very unsettled.
36:08We're going to take a quick break and resume this conversation on the other side of this break.
36:12We'll be right back.