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00:01Out Front next, breaking news, a new case of Hantavirus confirmed this hour.
00:07As the mystery deepens over the origin of the deadly outbreak, we're going to speak to a passenger on that
00:12ship.
00:13And our doctors are standing by to take your questions.
00:15Also breaking new details about Iran's new Supreme Leader.
00:18He still has not been seen in public since he took over, since the war began.
00:23But sources say he is playing a critical role in Iran's war strategy.
00:27Even as we are learning from sources the extent of his severe burns and injuries.
00:33And you're looking at a new gold logo.
00:36It is a gold logo for the Palm Beach Airport, which is about to be named the Trump International Airport.
00:41How much money could Trump be making from all of this?
00:44Let's go out front.
00:48And good evening, I'm Erin Burnett.
00:50And Out Front tonight, we begin with the breaking news.
00:52A new confirmed case of the deadly Hantavirus, which brings the total number of known cases to six.
00:58And there are two more probable cases we are aware of at this hour.
01:02All of these developments are coming in the context of a deepening mystery as to where the virus originated when
01:09it came to first in this outbreak in humans.
01:12A health official says that it is a, quote, almost non-existent possibility that the man who died on the
01:19cruise ship, the first known death, was infected where the ship departed.
01:24So then that actually raises very serious questions.
01:27Where did he get the deadly virus, which took his life?
01:31And who did he come into contact with?
01:33Does this change the profile of where we are now?
01:35What we know for sure, though, is that 10 days after the ship left Argentina, that man died.
01:42So obviously for those 10 days, he was on the ship.
01:45Incubation period, as we said, can be prolonged here.
01:48So it was 15 days after he died, right?
01:52It was another 15 days, more than two weeks, that his wife died.
01:56She had gotten off the ship and flown on a commercial flight to one of the busiest airports in Africa.
02:01And tonight, more states in the United States are monitoring people.
02:05New Jersey officials have at least two people being watched after they came into contact with a passenger who was
02:10on that cruise ship.
02:11The cruise ship all in had about 150 passengers and crew, which is right now headed to the Canary Islands.
02:17And we understand it also may be carrying the body of the third person who died on board.
02:23So that body may be on board right now because officials have not confirmed to us that that body was
02:29ever removed.
02:30But let's show you the port where this ship will be arriving.
02:33We understand within 24 hours, a little bit less than that, we expect.
02:38The CDC dispatching a team to meet the 17 Americans who are on that boat still, including an American from
02:44Oregon named Dr. Stephen Kornfeld.
02:46We spoke to him last night.
02:48He was a crucial player in all of this, helping care for sick passengers, including the ship's doctor, who was
02:53evacuated.
02:54So Dr. Kornfeld really then sort of stepped into that role.
02:57He will join me in a moment with more details from the ship tonight.
03:01The Americans on board will eventually be brought to Nebraska on a charter flight.
03:07And officials there have told reporters they have 20 spaces in a quarantine unit, a specific quarantine unit that is
03:13in the state of Nebraska, that they are ready for these 17 passengers.
03:17Melissa Bell is out front live in the Canary Islands to begin our coverage.
03:20That's where the ship, of course, will be arriving, we expect, in less than 24 hours.
03:24And, Melissa, what is the latest you're learning about what really happens next here?
03:30Well, a great deal of care is going to be taken in getting these passengers and crew off the ship,
03:36including those 17 Americans.
03:38We understand they're going to be the first to be taken off the ship from Spanish authorities.
03:43But there are a great deal of worries here.
03:46We've had protests from dock workers.
03:48There's been wrangling between local authorities here and the authorities in Madrid about whether this ship should be allowed to
03:54dock here at all, Erin, because of the fear there is of contagion.
03:58So a great deal of effort is being made by Spanish authorities to say that this is going to be
04:03very carefully dealt with and the sort of orchestrated maneuvers of the ship and its arrival and the disembarkation of
04:11anyone who comes off it here in Tenerife will be very carefully monitored, so much so that they say that
04:16there will be no contact cases possible.
04:19Now, this, of course, after what we've seen, you mentioned a moment ago, those 15 days before we learned that
04:26the virus was on the ship and after that first person died, all of those people that got off, of
04:31course, in St. Helena, that went on to South Africa, that went on to the United States,
04:36all of those contact cases that are now emerging tonight in Spain, two more that we've learned of who happened
04:42to be on a flight from South Africa.
04:44Those people had left the ship, Erin, before it was known there was a virus.
04:47This time what Spanish authorities are saying is that no expense and no care will be spared to make sure
04:53that those on board are taken off safely and onward to their next destinations without potentially contaminating anyone here.
05:01Yeah, it's going to be an incredible process. Thank you so much, Melissa Bell, in the Canary Islands tonight.
05:09I want to check in now with Dr. Stephen Kornfeld. He is on the Hantavirus-infected cruise ship. He took
05:15over from the doctor on the ship when he got sick.
05:17Dr. Kornfeld and I spoke yesterday. He's back with us tonight. We have heard from so few people on board
05:23that ship, but obviously you are all there together, Dr. Kornfeld.
05:26What are you being told on board right now about when and how you'll be getting off?
05:36Well, things do seem to be a bit fluid, but we will be docking.
05:42Well, we'll be arriving at Tenerife Saturday evening.
05:46We're not allowed to dock, so we will anchor offshore.
05:49Local health officials and international health officials, probably in full protective gear, will come on board via Zodiacs or other
05:59small boats.
06:01We will all be evaluated, and then over Sunday, depending on when different repatriation aircraft from different countries arrive, we
06:13will be escorted to the shore on a bus to the airport, and then we will leave the airport.
06:20And I understand that until each country's planes arrive, we will not be able to leave the boat.
06:30We will not have any contact with any local citizens.
06:33Right, which is, and obviously, as you point out, not allowed to dock at the port, right, that you're going
06:38to have to anchor offshore.
06:39I mean, that's all part of this.
06:41Now, several questions here, doctor, but one of them is I understand that the Americans on the ship, there will
06:48be a plane, and that all of you will get on it together to go to Nebraska.
06:54Do you have any idea what happens there, and how long they can hold you there in quarantine?
07:01I do not, and I don't, because I don't think they know.
07:05We've gotten a lot of recent information about what's going to happen, and an honest assessment that until the local
07:16CDC and other physicians evaluate us, it's impossible for them to determine now anything as far as where and how
07:25long we'll be isolated in a facility versus home isolation.
07:31So, I understand you're talking about all of these international health officials, you're talking about them boarding, maybe via Zodiac,
07:38in full protective gear, as you anticipate over the next day or two, once you're finally at Tenerife.
07:45But I know that there are some international health officials already on board.
07:49You've told me about them, and I know you said they were interviewing everyone on the ship, okay?
07:54Can you just tell us about that process and, you know, I guess, what they were wearing, what they were
08:00asking?
08:01How do you go through a process of interviewing everyone on board?
08:06Well, they're wearing masks.
08:07They're wearing good masks, but they're just wearing masks because the feeling is that this is, on our ship at
08:18one point, a very contagious process,
08:21but, in general, is not that contagious, and it's well controlled by mask wearing.
08:26So, we were appropriately distanced, but they were wearing masks, and we all went through an interview process about contacts
08:34and our health and how we're feeling.
08:37Our temperature was taken.
08:38Our medications were reviewed.
08:41And that's kind of helping them piece together what happened and to help them predict what might happen in the
08:50future based on exposures.
08:52I think after we dock, their job is so much over.
08:59They're pretty much on board to assess what happened and make sure that if any of them are taken care
09:06of,
09:06I think they'll be handing all the other duties over to the other health officials when we get to ORT.
09:12All right.
09:12And I know, obviously, you're doing that, and so much, hopefully, is going to become clear over these next 48
09:17hours.
09:17I guess if it's just under 24, where you'll be putting that anchor down, and then we see from there.
09:23Doctor, thank you very much.
09:25We'll be talking again soon.
09:27And as I said, stay well, and we'll look forward to hopefully getting good news in these next days.
09:34Thank you for your time.
09:37All right.
09:38Out front now, Gustavo Palacios.
09:40He is one of the world's foremost experts on this strain of Hantavirus.
09:43He helped solve and piece together how the virus moved from person to person.
09:48He's also part of a group of experts advising on the ongoing cruise ship outbreak.
09:52And also with us, Dr. Peter Hotez, the infectious disease expert and dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College.
09:58So I appreciate both of you.
10:00Gustavo, you know, I began the program by saying we have another confirmed case now.
10:03It's unclear exactly where that case is.
10:07I don't believe it's on the ship is the point I'm making.
10:09But it's related to this somewhere else.
10:12But do you think we'll see more cases on board this ship?
10:15Well, one of the characteristics of this virus is that it has a very, very long incubation time.
10:23So until we identify exactly what is the time of the original contact, it's going to take a while to
10:32figure out exactly when the six weeks that normally happen.
10:36I mean, because that's a mystery.
10:37And Dr. Kornfeld said to me, actually, as we were talking, you know, before we started rolling the cameras, you
10:42know, that he himself, he's still in that period.
10:45You know, he's very well aware of that, especially as he was he was treating people.
10:48Yeah, I mean, the average is two weeks to six weeks in terms of the time that it will take
10:55for the disease to disease onset.
10:59So during that period, obviously, a lot of the we are just in the middle of considering that is I
11:06prefer was the time where all the people aboard the ship.
11:09Right.
11:09So we are until the middle of May to to have those six six weeks period.
11:14Right.
11:15Right.
11:15And of course, I guess at what point did you get it in that time?
11:18We know that there wasn't a death till that.
11:19You know, this is all all happened in recent days.
11:22Dr. Hotez, how concerned are you about the passengers going home?
11:26And, you know, and again, I'm also curious what your take is on now that there is another confirmed case.
11:33Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, pretty much everything we know about person to person transmission was really discovered
11:39with Dr. Palacios's paper.
11:41Before this, we always assumed that all of the cases would occur directly from what we call zoonotic spillover from,
11:48in this case, rodents to people.
11:51So that paper in the New England Journal in 2020 was the first to show that there could be human
11:57to human transmission.
11:58The hope is that the level of human to human transmission is not as high as something like coronavirus, like
12:06COVID-19 or influenza, certainly not measles.
12:10And, you know, even though, and again, from the paper, even though the incubation period goes up to six weeks,
12:17it also shows that most of the cases were after three or four.
12:21So, and the fact that this has been going on since the end of March or early April, I have
12:26some optimism that we're not going to see this sudden massive surge in a number of cases.
12:32But, of course, with an unknown pathogen or a little known pathogen, you can't say that with total confidence.
12:41So, Dr. Palacios, obviously, we now have this mystery of where this started.
12:45There had been an assumption that it put out there that it was, you know, that there were birds in
12:50a garbage area, that there would also be rats, and that that's where it happened.
12:53And now that has been called into question.
12:56They do not think that is what happened.
12:57I know that you are involved in the efforts to figure this out, which is going to be so crucial.
13:02What are you learning?
13:04Well, I mean, the real investigation here is to have a good granularity on where is the virus distributed in
13:14the country, where are the rodents that are infected.
13:18And once that we have the sequence information from the cases, we will be able to match to where those
13:25variants are circulating in Argentina or Chile that are or in South America, where the sources of the contacts could
13:36have happened.
13:37I mean, there is experience already for other hantaviruses where this was the way to identify the origin.
13:44We call it active surveillance, that is essentially sequence the virus on the patient, then go and look where are
13:53the closest ancestors in the rodent populations in the area, and then go to match it and go and to
13:58do active surveillance, go to that area, pick up rodents, identify positives, and characterize the virus.
14:06And that way we are able to do, for example, for Hantan viruses in Korea with my colleagues at Korea
14:14University, we have done work to match exactly where warfighters were exposed to the virus.
14:21And so, Dr. Hotez, you know, obviously there's another confirmed case of this particular hantavirus.
14:28And so, you know, we don't know what we don't know about where this goes from here, but I know
14:33that you've called this event a wake-up call in terms of whatever might end up being when there is
14:38another pandemic of some sort of virus.
14:40And, you know, obviously everyone is still in a state of PTSD and trauma from COVID-19, globally, politically, in
14:48so many ways.
14:49Is the United States more or less ready, I guess, especially given that what I just said, that masks is
14:56a four-letter word to a lot of people in this country.
14:59Vaccines are a four-letter word to more people in this country than they were before COVID-19.
15:03Is America more or less ready now?
15:06We're less ready, Aaron, and here's why.
15:09You know, this virus is occurring through what's called zoonotic spillover.
15:14That is transmission from an animal to a person.
15:17COVID-19 occurred through zoonotic spillover.
15:21In this case, you know, from bats to a secondary intermediate animal host, whether it was a raccoon dog, still
15:27remains to be clarified.
15:30The original SARS, you know, COVID-19 is caused by SARS, too.
15:34The original SARS back in 2002 was zoonotic spillover again from bats to, in this case, a civet cat.
15:41The Ebola virus was zoonotic spillover from bats eventually to people, both in 2014 in West Africa and Congo in
15:492019.
15:50So there's a pattern here.
15:51We are seeing now this consistent, serious epidemics, in some cases pandemics, zoonotic spillover from animals to people.
16:00And so we know where this is heading.
16:03This is accelerating most probably because of climate change and animals seeking out new habitats, coming closer to the people,
16:10together with deforestation and urbanization of people coming closer to the animal reservoirs.
16:16And we have to recognize that this is our new normal of pandemic and epidemic threats, zoonotic spillover.
16:23And the problem now is we have a head of health and human services who is dismantling a lot of
16:31our vaccine infrastructure.
16:32He has nixed several key efforts to prepare new vaccines for emerging pandemic threats.
16:41And so that weakens our biosecurity.
16:43We've seen what's happened with some of the dismantling of the Centers for Disease Control.
16:47And, of course, pulling out of support for the World Health Organization at a time when zoonotic spillover events are
16:54only increasing.
16:55So the timing is terrible.
16:57And this is a time when we should be accelerating support for virologists like Dr. Palacio to do his work
17:04at Mount Sinai.
17:05And we're going in the wrong direction.
17:09Dr. Palacio, we've gotten a lot of questions for people.
17:12And obviously many of them are about, you know, where this goes from here.
17:15And I know, you know, we have this extra case, an additional case now, and there's more being monitored.
17:19But that people are also worried about interactions with animals, right?
17:24And in particular, in this case, rats.
17:26Rats are everywhere.
17:27I mean, there's more rats than humans in the city that we're living in right now.
17:31So we got a question from one of our viewers, Gretchen Weaver.
17:33And let me just play it.
17:37My question for the experts about the hantavirus is if you're just simply cleaning out your garage
17:44and you come across a lot of rat or mice species, we don't have any in our house, very clean
17:52house.
17:53But I'm just concerned when my son, adult son, is getting ready to clean out his garage
18:00and he's not good about wearing masks and stuff, do I need to tell him and remind him,
18:06please wear a mask and gloves?
18:12Dr. Palasquez, what do you say to that?
18:14Well, there is a reason why rodents are a species that, you know, we kind of dislike.
18:21And it's because they are the source of a lot of diseases, not only hantaviruses.
18:26But in the specific case of hantaviruses, you know, the excreta, the aerosol excreta that normally you need to inhale
18:37to take the disease from that case, it needs to be in a kind of special environment with a dry
18:46time.
18:48You know, that's why it flourished in, you know, in the Four Corners area in North America
18:55and in the area in Epuyen and El Bolson in South America.
19:00So, yes, it's true.
19:02Obviously, if you can mask and if you know that you are in an infested area
19:06that you could have a lot of aerosol generated by dusting that area,
19:11yes, definitely, there is no pain in using a mask.
19:15But it's a special environment, a special environmental environment that you need
19:20to ensure that you take care of the rat population.
19:26Right, right.
19:27All right.
19:27Well, Dr. Palasquez, Dr. Hotez, thank you both very much.
19:30I appreciate your time.
19:31And, of course, any additional questions about hantavirus,
19:34please send them to us out front at CNN.com.
19:37And as Gretchen did, you can also record your questions as well.
19:40All right, out front next, we have breaking news, new reporting just coming in to CNN
19:45about Iran's supreme leader and his state, his condition,
19:49and actually how powerful he is right now, even though we have not yet seen him.
19:55That is coming up after this, plus the UFO files.
19:58The Pentagon is releasing what it calls never-before-seen files.
20:01Why now?
20:02Trump's friend, his former friend, Marjorie Taylor Greene, has a guess.
20:06And search operations are still underway tonight for the bodies of three hikers who were killed
20:11after a massive volcanic eruption.
20:14Go for it, it's all.
20:15You can take the guess, Dad.
20:17Stand by, Breakmaster.
20:18In three, two, one, effect.
20:21Break, break, break.
20:23Breaking news.
20:23CNN is learning that Iran's supreme leader, Muqtava Khamenei, who has not yet been seen in
20:29public since the war started and the rest of his family was killed, he is playing a critical
20:33role in shaping Iran's war strategy.
20:36That is according to multiple people familiar with the U.S. intelligence assessment.
20:40Khamenei sustained serious injuries at the beginning of the war.
20:43We now are reporting, including burns to his face, his arm, his torso, and his leg,
20:49all this CNN reporting this hour.
20:51And it comes as an American fighter jet shot at two Iranian oil tankers today
20:55as they tried to evade the U.S. blockade in the Strait of Hormuz.
20:58Now, Zach Cohen is breaking this reporting on the supreme leader, Hanis, out front.
21:02And, Zach, I mean, obviously this list of the extent of the injuries and where the burns
21:06were, all of your new reporting, and all of this, you know, the questions in so many
21:10in Iran I've heard, you know, they think, maybe is he dead?
21:13Well, you're learning, obviously not, the state of his condition, and I know you're learning
21:17a lot more about how involved he actually is in the war, right?
21:22You know, is he comatose or is he a core player?
21:26What are you finding out?
21:28Yeah, Aaron, we're learning from multiple sources that Iran's new supreme leader has,
21:32while been keeping a very low profile since sustaining those injuries in the early portion
21:36of the war, has remained heavily involved behind the scenes, helping to shape Iran's
21:41war strategy.
21:42And the U.S. intelligence community believes that he's likely involved in helping manage
21:46Iran's responses to the U.S. demands in this ongoing negotiation back and forth.
21:53And look, this is really the first time we're hearing about Iran's new supreme leader since
21:58he replaced his father in that role.
22:01Obviously, his dad was killed in those early airstrikes as well by the U.S. and Israel as
22:06the Operation Epic Fury launched, first started.
22:09And Khamenei, though, now assuming this mantle of this powerful position within Iran, the
22:15supreme leaders look to as the sole power source within that country.
22:19But at a moment when we've heard President Donald Trump and senior top officials, U.S. officials
22:23say that they believe the Iranian government is fractured and that's why negotiations have
22:27been difficult to come by, this is evidence that the man who has been chosen to replace
22:32the former supreme leader is still alive, is still involved in engaging in conversations
22:37about the war and about the strategy going forward.
22:40All right, Zach, thank you very much.
22:43All of that new and obviously so crucial out front now, retired Air Force Colonel Cedric
22:47Layton, along with Brett McGurk, who served as senior national security official for multiple
22:51presidents of both parties and has been in the room for many Iran negotiations.
22:56So, you know, Brett, this new reporting, obviously there's a lot of detail here.
23:01OK, first of all, there's the extent of the injuries that Zach was going through, the burns
23:05to the torso, the neck, the arm, and the leg.
23:10Zach is also reporting that Khamenei is, there's no devices anywhere around him, none of any kind,
23:18and he's communicating with people during Courier.
23:23But also, all of that would seem to imply that he's kind of very removed from things
23:29in the decision-making process, but Zach is saying that he is very involved.
23:33So, what do you read into this intelligence assessment?
23:37I think, Aaron, I read into it, it's kind of confirmatory, I think, of what we're seeing.
23:42So, assuming he has a role, and there's a great quote in that report, it's kind of a mix between
23:48Weekend and Bernie's and Wizard of Oz.
23:50So, assuming he has this role, I always ask in a situation like this, who really has the
23:55power in a foreign capital?
23:56And the power in Tehran is the Revolutionary Guard.
24:00And the Revolutionary Guard is commanded now by Ahmed Vahidi, who we've talked about before
24:05in this program.
24:06So, he is probably the most powerful country in Iran, because he has the power.
24:12He has the power of the forces in the Strait of Hormuz, the people launching those missiles.
24:17He can order anyone in the country to basically go to someone's door, knock down the door, and
24:21detain somebody.
24:22So, but this is what makes it so difficult, Aaron, about where we are in trying to get
24:26a deal.
24:27These guys are the dyed-in-the-wool ideological revolutionaries.
24:31And Iran is in a sustained conflict, now going on 47 years, with the United States, to drive
24:37the United States out of the region and eliminate Israel as a sovereign Jewish state.
24:41That is their ideology.
24:43That's what these guys believe.
24:45And therefore, when you're trying to think about where we are, we can maybe hope, I know
24:49that the prime minister of Qatar was in Washington today, saw the vice president.
24:53They're working on an MOU to try to open the Strait for 30 days, allow negotiations to succeed.
24:58We might see that in the run-up to the president's trip to China.
25:01But we are nowhere, Aaron, strategically in a new direction for Iran, which I think is unfortunate.
25:09But this is where we've been for decades.
25:10And that's why whatever happens here over the coming days, and this reporting is very
25:14confirmatory, it's the same guys of the same mindset making the decisions in Iran.
25:19And so, it's the Iran we've always known.
25:22It might be a little weaker.
25:23But ideologically, it is intact.
25:26And these are the guys who are going to be making decisions.
25:28And I don't see them doing a big deal with us.
25:31Yeah.
25:32So, I mean, Colonel, you know, all that is really incredible.
25:34And it also, just, you know, this reporting coming out as an intelligence assessment with
25:38the conclusion being that he is playing an important role, okay?
25:41And General Fahidi from the IRGC may be the ultimate power player, but the Supreme Leader
25:45is playing an important role.
25:47That's significant in the context of the fact that yesterday, the Iranian president,
25:53Mahmoud Pazeshkian, said that he actually had spent a couple of hours with the Supreme
25:58Leader, which is the first time that anybody in power has even acknowledged seeing him.
26:03So, it's as if his profile is suddenly being pushed up purposefully.
26:08Yeah, I think that's correct, Erin.
26:09And the way I look at this is the profile is being pushed up because they need a representative
26:14for the state that is going to be, you know, one of the, basically, as the name implies,
26:20Supreme Leader.
26:21He's going to be the supreme authority for that state.
26:23Now, will he do all of the dirty work?
26:25No.
26:26Will he do all of the thinking behind some of the strategy?
26:29Probably not.
26:30But he will decide, with the help of the others, especially the Revolutionary Guard people,
26:35he will decide exactly what they're going to do with the help of the commander of the
26:40IRGC and a few other people as well.
26:42Right, right.
26:43So, you know, Brett, the back and forth in this war is not a ceasefire, even though they're
26:50saying the ceasefires, you know, whatever.
26:52I guess the word doesn't mean anything.
26:53But there's still a ceasefire, even though there's firing going on.
26:57But Trump then said something today about this, about what a broken ceasefire, as he called
27:02it, would look like.
27:03It was a very specific threat.
27:05Here he is.
27:07If there's no ceasefire, you're not going to have to know.
27:10You're just going to have to look at one big glow coming out of Iran.
27:16One big glow, Brett.
27:18I see you sort of shaking your head.
27:19I mean, we all know what that's a threat of, right?
27:21It's a threat of using nuclear weapons in the context of a guy who threatened to wipe a
27:26civilization off the map, right?
27:28So, Brett, since you know so many of these guys in Iran, do those words and threats like
27:34that at this point mean anything to them?
27:36They really don't, Aaron.
27:37I mean, if you go back to the June, the 12-day June conflict, Iran was in a very weak
27:41position
27:41coming out of that.
27:42I think actually now they feel pretty emboldened.
27:44And if you remember, back on April 17th, President Trump said we're going to have a ceasefire.
27:49And the precondition for the ceasefire, he said the strait of Hormuz will be wide open.
27:53It's not wide open.
27:54It is shut because Iran is shooting its ships trying to go through.
27:57And then we have our blockade.
27:59So the precondition for the ceasefire is not in place that we had demanded.
28:02And the Iranians know that.
28:04So I really think whatever we get back from the Iranians, Aaron, they're not going to
28:09put that much on the table.
28:10And they're going to try to continue to control that strait.
28:13That is what they want.
28:14And they got a big grip on it.
28:16And with the CIA intelligence assessment, The Washington Post and now CNN reporting,
28:2170 percent of Iran's missile capacity is intact.
28:24Yeah, that's right.
28:25And, you know, what it tells us is that none of this was destroyed.
28:29What we have here is a system that is resilient, and the Iranians are going to use it as much
28:35as they can.
28:35They've got a bit of leverage here.
28:36We destroyed a lot of what they have, but 70 percent is a lot more than 50 percent, which
28:43was the previous estimate.
28:44And that is a huge, huge deal.
28:46Yeah, absolutely.
28:47All right.
28:48Thank you very much both.
28:49I appreciate you.
28:50And next, a brand new report revealing exactly what the U.S. government knows about UFOs.
28:55And let's just all admit, it's fascinating.
28:58You're going to click.
28:58You're going to want to read it.
28:59Of course, we all do.
29:00But that's the point.
29:01Why release it now?
29:02Why?
29:03Is it to deflect from the war?
29:04To deflect from rising gas prices?
29:06Is it to deflect from, as one Republican said today, the Epstein files?
29:11Plus the deal to rename Palm Beach Airport to Trump International Airport.
29:15How much money will Trump bank on this?
29:20Tonight, the Pentagon releasing what it calls never-before-seen files on UFOs, including
29:25this video.
29:27Okay, this video is from 2013.
29:28It's a star-shaped object with arms of alternating length that was observed, they say, from a
29:33U.S. military platform.
29:35And then this, which is an infrared image of an unidentified object flying over the western
29:41United States last December.
29:43Now, President Trump took a victory lap when these came out, said that previous administration
29:47have failed to be transparent on the subject, he wrote.
29:51With these new documents and videos, the people can decide for themselves, all caps, what the
29:55hell is going on?
29:57Have fun and enjoy.
29:59Well, I think a lot of people in this case might say, okay, sure, I get it.
30:03But one of Trump's allies, Marjorie Taylor Greene, former ally, says she knows what is going
30:07on.
30:08She said, quote, the most transparent administration in history still hasn't released all the Epstein
30:12files or arrested anyone, but rolled out some UFO files today.
30:15So you would get so excited that you forgot you're paying over $4.50 a gallon because
30:20they are fighting another foreign war they said they would no longer fight.
30:22Happy Friday, everyone.
30:24Out front now, Jamal Simmons and former Congressman Adam Kinzinger.
30:27All right.
30:27I appreciate both of you.
30:31Jamal, as I said, this is fascinating.
30:33We all look.
30:34You and I were talking.
30:35Okay.
30:35We all look.
30:36But I know that you are absolutely shocked that Trump might be doing this to draw attention
30:42away from other things that are of serious, present danger to Americans.
30:46You know, this is classic old school Trump, really, right?
30:49Like, this is the kind of Donald Trump that I think people thought they were voting for.
30:52He was going to get elected.
30:52He'd go to Washington.
30:53He'd tell us all the secrets.
30:55He wouldn't buy by any of the rules.
30:56I'm not sure there'd be no wars or anything, so we couldn't talk about the UFO files.
31:00The wars, gas would be, like, low prices, and the economy would be flourishing.
31:04The problem is, though, that that's not what we got.
31:07For the most part, we've got war that nobody really understands.
31:11We're ending up with these gas prices and other prices that are higher than everybody
31:14wants.
31:15The president doesn't have a plan, and so maybe he's using this very rightfully interesting
31:21phenomena to just distract everybody from the stories that he doesn't want us to talk
31:25about.
31:26And, you know, Adam, it's interesting because Tim Burchett, Republican congressman, praised
31:31Trump over the UFO files.
31:33He said, remember the feds told us these files didn't exist and Trump stood up to the deep
31:36state.
31:37The first drop will be big, but in comparison to what is coming, there'll be a drop in the
31:40bucket.
31:41I would say, holy crap, it's coming.
31:43By the way, if we're going to talk about drop in the bucket, that would be the current
31:46released pile of Epstein files compared to the total number of Epstein files, so I guess
31:52we can make that point.
31:53But Burchett's comments came just one day before he was on Joe Rogan's show talking
31:57about this, and I wanted to play for you Joe Rogan's take.
32:03The Iran war is not going very well.
32:05American public is very upset.
32:06A lot of people don't think we should have ever been involved in that in the first place,
32:09and we need some good news.
32:11I think we, um, some, we need something to distract us.
32:15We need something to take our focus off of.
32:17If I was going to do it, now would be the time I'd do it.
32:19Yeah.
32:20But I don't think Trump really even cares.
32:22I think he just wants to get it out there.
32:24I mean, no, I mean, I don't think he cares about, about, um, trying to get, uh, uh, everybody
32:28off, off target, you know, by, by disclosing UFOs.
32:32I think he cares about all of it.
32:33If someone's going to do it, do it.
32:34You want to leave a legacy?
32:35Be the guy who releases all these files.
32:42So, Adam, how do you see it?
32:43Who's reading the room right?
32:46Uh, I think, I mean, I think this is clearly an attempt to distract.
32:50Now, you know, look, Trump felt like he was upended because Barack Obama said he believed
32:55or some version of that, and I think Trump was like, well, I got to get out in front
32:59of him.
33:00I'm a skeptic, by the way.
33:01I'm just going to throw that out there, so look at it through that lens.
33:04But it's always been amazing to me because people like Tim Burchett and some other members
33:10of Congress always go on these shows and act like they've seen things and they need to
33:16release it.
33:16Because I got to tell you, I've seen some things.
33:19I'm sorry.
33:20I hate the burst bubbles.
33:22Congressmen don't get to see stuff like that.
33:24They always just kind of pretend like they do, or they talk to some dude that may think
33:29that he saw a UFO once.
33:30But, I mean, you know, is there something to it?
33:33Sure.
33:33A lot of the ones I've even seen now have been, you know, some, I don't want to say
33:39debunked, but there's been theories put behind what they are.
33:41But I think this is clearly an attempt right now to try to take our eyes off.
33:46I mean, this is probably the first time we've talked about Epstein in a month, which is crazy
33:51because there's so much going on.
33:52So much going on.
33:54And as I pointed out, the files such that we have are not the full files.
34:00That's just one basic thing.
34:02And no one's been held to account yet.
34:04I mean, Jamal, there's also the big stuff going on right now.
34:09Yeah.
34:09Okay.
34:10In addition to things like war and gas and Epstein's and all of these things.
34:16But in Virginia today, a big move.
34:18The Virginia Supreme Court rejected the read-on House map.
34:21So people had voted in Virginia and they voted in a way that would give Democrats all these
34:25extra seats.
34:26And that was crucial because of all that's been going on in all the different states.
34:29If Democrats got those, it was sort of, okay, you've had this war and you're going to both
34:32emerge equal.
34:33Except for the court just ruled against them.
34:35So they lost those, which means Republicans have a huge advantage when it comes to these
34:40redistricting.
34:42So what does this mean for Democrats if they don't get those seats, if this is how you go
34:47into the midterms?
34:47Yeah.
34:48First of all, I want Kinzinger to do his research.
34:50Do your own research, Adam, on these UFOs.
34:53UFOs are real.
34:56But listen, more importantly, when we talk about what happened in Virginia, I think the Democrats
35:00are going to be okay because the wave that it's coming is one that's going to be big enough
35:03that it's going to sweep a bunch of districts in that people aren't really expecting.
35:07And Democrats are doing something they haven't done in the past, which is putting a name
35:10in every slot.
35:11They want somebody to run for every seat because if you're going to catch light, then you've
35:15got to have a bottle, which means you've got to have candidates who are out there who
35:18can actually win these races.
35:19I'm much more concerned about what's happening with the redistricting races around the Calais
35:25decision in Louisiana.
35:27The fact that these African-American districts are being torn apart in Tennessee, they're going
35:32after them in Alabama.
35:34We're hearing rumblings about perhaps South Carolina, although I hear there's some resistance
35:38in South Carolina about Jim Clyburn's seat.
35:40Those matter a lot more.
35:42They're existential.
35:43Those states never wanted to pass the 14th and 15th Amendment after Reconstruction in
35:47the first place.
35:47They've been resistant ever since.
35:49That's why we had to have a Voting Rights Act.
35:51And it turns out they're still resistant.
35:53And when you now have an all-white, practically Republican Party and a mostly Black Democratic Party,
35:58you say race doesn't matter, but now a party is a proxy for race.
36:01And when they say we're going to have a Republican legislature, it means it's going to be a white
36:06legislature.
36:07So, Adam, do Democrats have any room for error now when it comes to the House?
36:11I mean, does this loss in Virginia, and I know obviously what Jamal's talking about in
36:15other southern states as well, but does this mean that what has become conventional wisdom,
36:20which is that when it comes to the House, this is an easy flip for Democrats, has that changed?
36:26Yeah, I mean, I think it is going to be a wave election, but I think this could maybe in
36:30hindsight
36:31be a blessing in disguise in a way, because it forces Democrats to refocus on persuasion,
36:38the old art in politics, persuasion, get more people on your side, turn out more people.
36:43I think it's going to be a wave election.
36:45I think the Democrats will win the House.
36:47Certainly, probably not by as big of a margin as they would have otherwise,
36:50but I don't think this is the great savior that the Republicans think it is.
36:55All right.
36:55Well, thank you both.
36:56I will say, by the way, Adam, I know you just finished a book so that we got a good
37:00topic
37:00for the next one, UFOs, but the one that you have just come out with, so congratulations,
37:05is called That's What Heroes Do.
37:08It is Adam's new children's book, and congratulations on that, Adam.
37:12Thank you.
37:12And next, this is the new gold logo for Trump International Airport in Florida.
37:17So, is this a way for Trump to make more money off the office of president?
37:24Plus, incredible video tonight of a volcanic eruption, and tonight, search operations are
37:28still underway.
37:29I mean, this video is just incredible.
37:30Search operations are underway, though, for survivors.
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