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00:01Tonight, Donald Trump ducks out.
00:04Let's call it quits, because I've had enough.
00:06Thank you, darling.
00:07The president storms off when confronted about his claims and conspiracies.
00:12Plus, MAGA's fraud fever rises, as California's reality TV candidate sinks to third place.
00:19You know that these elections are rigged.
00:23Also, hold your fire.
00:25Israel defies the president, as attacks begin again with Iran.
00:30And Donald Trump enters the world's most famous arena, and doesn't get a hometown hello.
00:39Live at the table, Charles Blow, Caroline Sunshine, Anna Navarro, Hal Lambert, and LZ Granderson.
00:48Americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do.
01:04Good evening.
01:05I'm Abby Phillip in New York.
01:06Let's get right to what America is talking about, President Trump's monumental meltdown.
01:11Tonight, the walls appear to be closing in on the president.
01:14His war in Iran is as unpopular as ever, as it stretches into its 100th day.
01:20Americans are worried about their finances more than ever before.
01:23And he's suffered a series of legal losses that are throwing his priorities for a loop.
01:28And his own party is now fiercely pushing back on some of his agenda.
01:33It all comes to a head during this interview with NBC's Kristen Welker on Meet the Press this weekend.
01:39Welker pressed Trump on a number of conspiracy theories.
01:42First, about January 6th rioters.
01:44Then, the lie that California's election is rigged.
01:47But instead of responding with evidence or proof of any kind, Trump resorted to insults and smears before he stormed
01:55off altogether.
01:58You know that these elections are rigged.
02:02Your network knows that they're rigged.
02:04You know that I won an election in a landslide and I got 94% bad press.
02:11But, Mr. President, you've never presented evidence.
02:13Because you have no credibility.
02:14But you've never presented evidence that it was rigged.
02:16Let's keep talking about it.
02:17I want to talk about Todd.
02:18You have more evidence.
02:19There's more evidence than ever presented.
02:22Let's talk about...
02:23Your elections in this country, we're like a third world country.
02:27Your elections are crooked.
02:28And you're crooked.
02:29And Mr. Press is crooked.
02:31And so is ABC and CBS and CNN.
02:35But, Mr. President...
02:35Your one-sided crooked networks.
02:37Let's call it quits because I've had enough.
02:40Thank you, darling.
02:40Have a good time.
02:41Mr. Prowled all the way to Wisconsin for this interview.
02:47One of the most revealing things about that exchange is that she kept asking for proof.
02:53There was no proof being put on the table.
02:56And when the President attacks the media, calling them biased, it's usually because they're correcting him on some very obvious
03:05falsehoods,
03:06like the one that he tried to repeat in that interview, Charles.
03:09Like, the President wants to say this.
03:12You have to let me lie without interrupting me.
03:15You have to let me lie and not push back on it.
03:18And if you don't give me that kind of coverage, then I do not like the media.
03:22And the other thing that the President does is that he substitutes himself for the country all the time.
03:27I think people have to really be careful when they listen to him because that's an authoritarian thing.
03:33When he says that they are the enemy of the country, he really means that they are the enemy of
03:37me because they won't let me lie.
03:38When he says that people are attacking the country, he really means that they are attacking him.
03:44The substitution is a very real thing that happens with Donald Trump in the way that he communicates.
03:49And I think everybody needs to pay attention to that.
03:52Why can't Trump take corrections, tough questions?
03:56Why can't he put proof on the table of his assertions?
03:59Well, I think you watch the President more than anybody, and I think, I hope everybody at this table would
04:04be honest about the fact that the President of the United States takes more tough questions on a daily basis
04:09than just about any other President in the modern era.
04:11Certainly, the last one that we had.
04:13Oh, no, I think he should do this two to three times a week.
04:16This was a great interview.
04:17Storm out of air news?
04:18No, no, no, absolutely, because the President's base and most of the country still views the mainstream media as very
04:23biased against them.
04:25They feel very demonized by the media.
04:27They feel very misunderstood by the media.
04:29They don't feel like the mainstream media has done enough to try to understand the actual proof of the thing
04:35that he's claiming.
04:36Can I talk about that?
04:37Because that's always the comeback.
04:39Where's the evidence?
04:40Yeah, because...
04:41The evidence is this.
04:41If you're going to claim a fraud, there should be some evidence.
04:43Okay, the evidence is this.
04:44You have a California system that enables fraud to happen easily.
04:49You don't have voter ID.
04:50You have mass mail-out ballots.
04:52You have voter...
04:53That's not evidence.
04:54That's not proof.
04:55That's just a description of an electoral system.
04:58It's an electoral system that's ripe for fraud.
05:00Ripe for fraud.
05:01It's not fraud.
05:02And then you have...
05:02That is not fraud, though.
05:03No, but then you have statistical anomalies where you have Raman, who was third place, was getting 20% of
05:09the vote,
05:09and then the after vote, the vote after the election day, she gets 40% of the vote.
05:14I don't know.
05:15That's a total...
05:16Speculation is also not proof.
05:18Hold on just one second, because I just want to let people know that we are going to spend a
05:23whole segment...
05:23It's not speculation, that's data.
05:25That is not data.
05:26We're going to spend a whole segment on the California race in just a moment.
05:30So we're going to talk through some of the stuff that you're talking about there.
05:33But I actually think that we can boil it down much more simply than this.
05:38Trump falsely believes that he won the 2020 election that he lost.
05:42When he is challenged on that, he gets upset, and he storms out of an interview.
05:47Explain that one.
05:48No, they were talking about the Merrill race in California, and he was talking about the fraud there, the rigged
05:53election there.
05:54Okay.
05:55That's what they were talking about.
05:55It's rigged?
05:56You believe it's rigged?
05:56I do believe it's rigged.
05:58Oh, my God.
05:58We can wrap this show up.
05:59100% rigged.
06:00We can wrap this show up.
06:01He also was talking about his favorite obsession that he lost.
06:05What's that?
06:06In that exchange, he also was talking about the election that he lost in 2020.
06:11Well, he talked about the 95%.
06:13He also got mad because he has 95% negative press coverage.
06:18He's sitting there in a negative press interview.
06:21What does press conference have to do with the fact that she asked for proof of fraud?
06:25Here's the thing about the president.
06:27When he was candidate Trump, and they had the primary, and he lost to Ted Cruz, the first
06:34thing he said was, it was rigged.
06:36And he insisted that the state officials change the actual results of that primary.
06:42You remember that.
06:43And Ted Cruz was very upset by that because he called Ted Cruz a liar.
06:47That was, what, 10 years ago.
06:50So to characterize this conversation without an understanding of who he has been, I think
06:59is unfair to the conversation we're supposed to be having now.
07:02He's always done this.
07:03Caroline also suggested that Trump loves taking tough questions.
07:06But here is his very real history of not taking tough questions that he doesn't like.
07:11Listen.
07:14Your first statement was, are you ready for tough questions?
07:19Are you?
07:19That's no way to talk.
07:21That's no way to talk.
07:22I think we have enough of an interview here, Hope.
07:24Okay, that's enough.
07:26Let's go.
07:27Let's go.
07:28The only way it's not going to happen again is you have to solve the problem of the presidential
07:34rigged election of 2020.
07:36Mr. President, if I...
07:37Wait, wait, wait, one more question.
07:39The woman that you said was a great doctor in that video that you retweeted last night
07:43said that masks don't work and there is a cure for COVID-19, both of which health experts
07:48say is not true.
07:49She's also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens and that
07:55they're trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious.
07:59Well, maybe it's the same.
08:00Maybe it's not.
08:01Last week, well, real quick.
08:02Okay, thank you very much, everybody.
08:04Thank you.
08:05Okay.
08:06Okay.
08:06No.
08:07Hold on, because I haven't spoken.
08:08There's two different things that I think need to be addressed in the clip that we saw
08:13from the Meet the Press interview.
08:14The first is him alleging that he didn't lose the 2020 election.
08:19Trump and his team filed over 60 challenges in court and lost every single one of them.
08:25So there is no evidence that held up in court.
08:28That's number one issue.
08:29The second issue, which to me is just as horrible and needs to be discussed, is his consistent
08:36berating and insulting and ad hominem attacks, particularly against women.
08:42Whether it's...
08:43Give me a break.
08:44What do you mean, give me a break?
08:45Kristen Walker, this week.
08:46That is what it's Kristen.
08:47Kristen Walker came in for his last week.
08:49I worked with Kristen when I worked at the White House.
08:51Will you give me a break?
08:52Have you no shame as a woman?
08:54No.
08:55That we hear him call him ugly and piggy and crooked and liars and stupid and bad journalist.
09:01Have you absolutely no solidarity with women?
09:05Oh my God, I can't believe you sit here and tell me to give you a break.
09:09He pushed her up against her in this network.
09:10We hear him call him ugly and ugly.
09:12Tell our journalist that she's not fit to be a journalist because she doesn't smile.
09:16How dare you tell me to give you a break?
09:19Have some shame.
09:20Why would the president tell a woman that she doesn't smile enough when she's working, asking
09:28him a question?
09:29Because he's an equal opportunity offender.
09:30And let's not pretend.
09:32Let me explain how the game works.
09:33Give me another example of him telling her.
09:35Let me explain how the game works.
09:36Give me an example of him being equal opportunity with that particular insult, Caroline.
09:42The president gets a lot out of having combative exchanges with journalists.
09:46His base loves it.
09:47That's why I said he should do two to three more of these a week.
09:49His poll numbers go up.
09:50But Caitlin's getting something out of it, too.
09:52So many journalists have made their careers in this country off of being combative with President
09:57Trump, Caitlin Collins included, Jim Acosta, many former people.
10:00It is all part of the game.
10:01It is all part of the theater.
10:02It's not a game.
10:03But why is it a game to you?
10:04But the fact that you guys are going to call us a woman problem, Kristen did one of the
10:06toughest interviews I have seen someone do with the president up to date.
10:09And he walked up and left?
10:10And she deserves credit for that.
10:11Because he couldn't take it.
10:11He didn't push back.
10:12She threw all the way to his scotch and left her and didn't do her job.
10:17No, the guy needs to grow up.
10:19He's the president of the United States.
10:21He needs to grow up.
10:22And instead of walking out, having a tantrum and taking a breath.
10:24How many interviews did Biden do?
10:26And how much did you criticize?
10:26We never did an interview.
10:28Okay, Biden is back in the White House in the sky.
10:30The Biden is like a reflex.
10:32That is a separate conversation.
10:33It's the truth.
10:34Then just...
10:34So is the 2020 election.
10:36What did you do?
10:36Blah, blah, blah, blah, Biden.
10:38Blah, blah, blah, blah, Biden.
10:39Blah, blah, blah, blah, Biden.
10:40Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Biden.
10:42I get it.
10:43You want the president to look good.
10:45I get it.
10:46You want to talk about 2020.
10:47I mean, I'm bringing it up.
10:48No, he does.
10:49You said it.
10:50No, he got it up.
10:51I actually brought up 2015 when he started beginning the lies.
10:54You did that, too.
10:55About talking about how elections have been stolen.
10:57I was just letting you know there's a pattern here that's been two years long.
10:59That's why I brought that up.
11:00But to the point I'm trying to say right now is that what do you want this nation to gravitate
11:04towards?
11:05The behavior that we've seen in which you berate women or behavior in which you learn how to negotiate
11:10with someone that you don't agree with, but you don't need to yell or get up and leave
11:14an interview.
11:14It's about the more that you will be ranked women because apparently you're going for
11:18your image.
11:20Let me ask you this because I hear people pushing back on LZ and Anna and suggesting
11:24that maybe this is somehow about Joe Biden, which it's not.
11:27Are you comfortable with Trump being challenged on something and rather than defending his
11:32point, just simply storming off of an interview?
11:34He did defend his point.
11:36She kept on and on with the same question.
11:38How did he defend it?
11:38He said that he thought the election was rigged.
11:41He answered the question.
11:42Yeah, and she asked for proof and he provided what?
11:43It goes back.
11:44He talked about what I just said.
11:46If you look at the whole election.
11:47You did what you said to make any sense.
11:49Of course it does.
11:49No, it doesn't make any sense.
11:51And it's not a fact.
11:52I just want to be clear.
12:05And it's not proof.
12:07It is a fact.
12:07Trump obsession, which he also brought up in that interview with his loss in 2020, which
12:12he has now tasked the government with trying to validate, even though there's no proof
12:17of it.
12:18Why is it that when he is challenged on that, he can't answer for it?
12:22Look, after the fact, we know there were problems in Arizona.
12:26We know there were problems in Georgia.
12:28Oh, my God.
12:28We know after investigation.
12:29What were they?
12:29You can't prove that in 45 days.
12:31What were they, Hal?
12:32It's been six years.
12:34What were they?
12:35What were the problems?
12:36There were problems with the voters in Georgia.
12:39Where's the fraud?
12:40Where's the fraud?
12:41There was no problem in Arizona.
12:42How many fraudulent votes were cast in Georgia?
12:44Because I live in Georgia.
12:45I want to hear you loud about this.
12:46And I lived in Arizona.
12:46That's a lot.
12:48And I lived in Arizona.
12:49You can't have this conversation.
12:50You can't have this conversation.
12:51This man just said that there were thousands of fraudulent votes.
12:53The more you guys know there's no fraud, the more likely there was fraud.
12:57It's amazing.
12:58The more that you lied, the more we're going to push back on the fact that you are lying.
13:0181 million.
13:02It's 81 million.
13:03The Heritage Foundation keeps the largest database on voter fraud.
13:08This is so ridiculous.
13:09I want to walk off.
13:11I'm going to finish this point.
13:13Hold on a second.
13:14They keep 30 years.
13:15They've tracked 32 elections.
13:18100 million votes.
13:20They have found 39 total cases of voter fraud.
13:26That's absurd.
13:26That's absurd.
13:27The Heritage Foundation is absurd.
13:30Where's your proof?
13:31Where's your proof?
13:31I just cited my source.
13:34Hold on, Hal.
13:35Hold on, Hal.
13:37You said it's absurd.
13:39Why is it about it?
13:39Mine is the Heritage Foundation.
13:40Do you think there's no H-1B visa fraud?
13:42Where is your source?
13:43Do you think there's no Medicare fraud?
13:44Do you think there's no home health care fraud?
13:46Can you let me finish and speak?
13:47You are not saying a source.
13:48Guys, guys, guys.
13:49You are not saying a source.
13:50There's fraud all over the federal government.
13:52There's fraud all over the states.
13:53Where is your source?
13:54And yet there's no voter fraud?
13:56Hold on a second.
13:56Are you kidding me?
13:57What is your source?
13:58The idea that you're sitting here trying to convince us based on or not.
14:02Is there Medicare fraud or not?
14:02Is there Medicare fraud or not?
14:02Whatsoever.
14:03Is there Medicare fraud?
14:04But to trust your word.
14:06Unbelievable.
14:07And trust the president's word.
14:08We know he is lying.
14:09And I want to know if you think that was the reason.
14:11I don't know if we're sitting here with two elections tonight.
14:13Just a second.
14:14Do you think it's real too well?
14:15I actually do.
14:15There's no fraud in anything.
14:17Medicare, Medicaid, H-1B visas, nothing.
14:19You have no source.
14:20And you're going to get locked out of.
14:22And it's still not going to work.
14:23California won't allow the federal government to honor Charles and Hal.
14:26Stop talking.
14:26And it's still not going to work because you don't have a single source in your whole body.
14:30They won't let them audit.
14:31Stop talking.
14:32Guys, stop talking.
14:33Because y'all are talking so loud.
14:36But to be honest, Hal, you're not saying anything.
14:38Okay, I think I am.
14:40See what the viewers say.
14:41The president has agreed to do a second interview.
14:46Hold on a second.
14:46Caroline wants to have a quick word and then we're going to go to a break.
14:49By the way, I would just add.
14:50The president has agreed to do a second interview with Kristen Welker.
14:53Which doesn't surprise me at all.
14:55So Kristen will have her own time.
14:57So I'm sure ask him for further effort.
14:59Are we going to leave that way more than Biden ever did?
15:04We're going to leave that right there.
15:05Next for us.
15:06The president and MAGA are pushing false conspiracies about the California elections being rigged.
15:12As reality TV star Spencer Pratt loses the mayor's race.
15:16Is this a preview of the midterms?
15:18Plus, tonight marks 100 days since the start of the war with Iran.
15:22And Trump is issuing a warning to Israel.
15:24We'll discuss.
15:32Tonight CNN projects that Spencer Pratt, the Trump backed candidate running for mayor of Los Angeles, will lose out on
15:39a chance to face the incumbent, Karen Bass.
15:41Over the weekend, the former reality TV star lost ground to progressive city council member Nithya Rahman as more votes
15:48were counted over the weekend.
15:50Across all votes reported since election night, Rahman has outperformed both Bass and Pratt, erasing a 40,000 vote deficit
15:57to Pratt and emerging more than 20,000 ahead.
16:01Now, before CNN's projection that Rahman would advance and with zero evidence to support this claim today, Trump said the
16:08election was rigged.
16:10On Fox tonight, J.D. Vance also offered his skepticism.
16:15Somehow we find ourselves in a situation where, number one, they're still receiving ballots, not just counting ballots, Jesse, they're
16:21still receiving ballots.
16:23And number two, the way that they're coming in just so happens to work out such that the Republican is
16:30getting kicked out of the final two.
16:31So it's a Democrat versus Democrat runoff. That seems pretty shady to me.
16:39Everything is about vibes. You know, no, no proof, no substantiation, just just vibes.
16:47And, you know, we just came off a pretty heated conversation in the last segment.
16:52This time, I want to start with some basic facts about where this race stood when voters went to the
16:59to the ballot.
16:59So before these of the votes really were starting to be counted, Karen Bass was in the lead.
17:07Nithya Rahman was within the margin of error, but right behind her.
17:10And Spencer Pratt was in third, but he was actually outside of the margin of error.
17:16He was losing. OK, so you take that.
17:20Then then let's look at this.
17:22Karen Bass in head to heads against Spencer Pratt would have beat him by 18 points.
17:29Karen Bass in the head to head against Nithya Rahman would beat her by just four points.
17:35So that's that's a competitive race.
17:36So when you have people like Trump and Vance and others saying, oh, there's a conspiracy here.
17:43There's no conspiracy.
17:45It's just math.
17:47It's just counting ballots.
17:48Why can't they just lose gracefully?
17:52Well, if the Knicks win tonight and they say, oh, we're not going to know the score for three more
17:57weeks.
17:57I mean, people would riot in this city.
17:59And perception is reality.
18:01No, it's not.
18:02So if the Knicks win tonight and we say, we don't know, that creates the reality.
18:06Perception is not reality in this situation.
18:08And we don't like that.
18:08Why would we ever want to create a perception?
18:10Reality is reality.
18:11Reality is reality.
18:12OK, a Knicks game and voting are not the same thing.
18:15We know that.
18:18So voting, people get to cast their ballots and those ballots get to count.
18:22So do you want to count the ballots or you don't want to count the ballots?
18:26We want to count them on election day.
18:28You want to count them.
18:28If you're a Democrat, you want to count them until you pull ahead and then you stop.
18:31But I just want to say this.
18:33You have a system in California where you don't need a voter ID.
18:36You don't even need a voter ID.
18:38You don't need an ID to register either.
18:40You count ballots long after the election's over.
18:43You don't have election results the evening of.
18:45Like you do all over the country and in other countries with many more population sizes.
18:50You can harvest ballots.
18:52So you set up a system where you can create doubt with the voters.
18:56Oh, doubt just gets created out of thin air.
18:59Well, and then all of a sudden, the candidate that conceded election night
19:02all of a sudden gets double the outperformance after the election.
19:05What about Steve Hilton?
19:07And pulls ahead.
19:08He's receiving votes in California.
19:10He's a Republican.
19:11Let's play what he said tonight.
19:14He agrees with you on some of the problems with the system.
19:16But but he's probably going to be in the runoff.
19:19So let's hear what he says.
19:22There's so many things wrong with the system.
19:24I've been saying all along that we take it very seriously because we don't want to let
19:28people down.
19:29And we've been very vigilant on it.
19:30We're keeping an eye on it.
19:31We've got teams standing by, lawyers standing by.
19:34And actually, it's the same answer that actually I've been giving for a few days now.
19:38We've seen nothing that would give us cause to intervene in that way.
19:42But more importantly than that, Bill Essaley, the U.S. attorney, who's actually got the
19:46full weight.
19:47We're just a campaign.
19:47He's got the full weight of the Justice Department.
19:50And he's there and he's taking a look at it.
19:52And I trust that if there is anything that needs to be investigated, that he will make
19:57sure it happens.
19:58But I think the real point is that this whole system needs to be improved.
20:03No question.
20:04California should count votes faster.
20:06But Steve Hilton is getting votes just in the same system, the very same system that
20:12Karen Bass and Nithya Raman and Spencer Pratt are getting votes in.
20:16And he's doing fine.
20:19And he's not crying foul because he's winning.
20:22Spencer Pratt just happens to be losing.
20:23And actually, if you look at the numbers, there's a lot of reason that it would make sense for
20:27him to be losing.
20:28Well, OK, let's let's understand a few things that happened in California.
20:32And let's remember that in the United States, each state has their own set of election laws.
20:37That's just how our system works.
20:39In California, most every voter, every eligible voter, every active eligible voter in California
20:46receives an absentee ballot.
20:48There are some people that do early voting.
20:50There are some people that vote in person.
20:52Most of the people that do those are Republicans that and most of the Democrats vote by mail
20:58in ballot.
20:59Now, what happens in California?
21:01If your ballot is postmarked on Election Day, they counted and they allow for seven days for
21:08that ballot that could have been mailed in on Election Day to get there.
21:11That's why they are still receiving ballots and they will be receiving ballots until tomorrow.
21:16There is a phenomenon in California known as the red mirage because Republicans vote early
21:23voting and vote day of the election.
21:26Those votes are counted first.
21:27And so there is a disproportionate representation of Republican votes.
21:32I think Steve Hilton is receiving.
21:34If you look at California, California is what, 25, 26 percent Republican.
21:39And I think Donald Trump's endorsement of Steve Hilton helped him consolidate that Republican
21:44vote.
21:45And he is number two in a roster of 61 candidates running for California governor.
21:53So there is nothing in that race that's indicating any fraud.
21:57You can take an issue with how they do it.
21:59You can take an issue with the fact that they allow seven days.
22:01You can take an issue with all of that.
22:03But it is a giant state with over 20 million voters where everybody is allowed to vote by
22:10mail.
22:10In Florida, most of us vote early voting or vote day of.
22:15So that's why we in Florida can count quickly.
22:18So it's not about counting quickly.
22:20It's if they're still waiting for election ballots to come in because the law allows them
22:24to come in until a week after the election.
22:27Florida is also a good example of.
22:30We've had our issues.
22:31Yeah, I mean, Florida has had their issues.
22:33But I would also say, like, prior to the whole Trump kind of, quote unquote, sowing doubt,
22:38okay, in all of this, in Florida, Republicans used to rely on older voters voting by mail.
22:45Yes.
22:45Republicans relied on those votes.
22:47It was Jeb Bush and my husband, Al Cardenas, who was the chair of the Republican Party of Florida,
22:52that invested tremendously in building a vote by mail operation amongst Republicans in Florida.
23:00And it used to be that the absentee ballots used to benefit Republicans.
23:07It was the inverse of what's happening in California.
23:09So when President Trump bills in his ballot, this isn't about the election results as much as it is about
23:15having confusion and chaos.
23:17So when it's election time, you can have an opportunity to better shape the narrative in your favor.
23:22This is about November.
23:24This is not about now.
23:25This is about continuing to plant seeds of doubt.
23:28So if there is a blue wave, which, you know, that's debatable, he'll be able to say it was rigged.
23:35We need to investigate.
23:36These results shouldn't count, et cetera.
23:37So this is just planting more seeds of doubt.
23:40And it's also about depressing and suppressing the vote, casting doubt and the integrity of the election system and making
23:46people doubt.
23:47Why do I even vote at all?
23:49Does it even matter?
23:50Yes.
23:50And technically, all the candidates are nonpartisan.
23:53In California.
23:55In California.
23:55Yeah.
23:55I think perception is reality.
23:58And I think it's exactly the inverse.
23:59Mail-in voting, fine.
24:01But why can't it all be counted on election day?
24:03You have this.
24:04It's creating this perception among people.
24:14Because that's the law.
24:16It's creating this perception.
24:17I live outside of Los Angeles County, but I knew people who voted in Los Angeles who did not have
24:22to show an ID to vote.
24:24So the combination of not having to show an ID and the fact that we don't know the winner on
24:28election day creates a lot of doubt.
24:30Any common sense person feels that way.
24:31You know, one of the first things, I'll ask, do you remember one of the first things that Vice President
24:36Pence was tasked with when they first got into the White House?
24:39I never think about Vice President Pence.
24:39But I will tell you, it was actually to investigate voter fraud.
24:42It was one of the first things that President Trump in his first term set out to do was to
24:46investigate voter fraud.
24:47You know what they found?
24:48Nothing.
24:49They found nothing.
24:51I just believe that this is a news show and a news channel.
24:56I have an ethical responsibility to say that you are lying.
25:01No.
25:01You are lying.
25:03I didn't interrupt you.
25:04Hold on.
25:05You don't call me a liar on national TV, sir.
25:08Do not call me a liar on national TV, sir.
25:10You're a liar.
25:12You are a liar.
25:13I'm going to let you respond in just a minute.
25:14Charles, finish your point.
25:16I can spell it, too.
25:17I have an ethical responsibility.
25:19If people are going to go over here and poison voters' views of an election system that has no proof
25:26that it is rigged in any way, spouting the same lie that the President is spouting,
25:33we have an ethical responsibility at this table and a news show and a news channel to call that out.
25:39And I'm going to do that.
25:41You can huff and puff.
25:42You've done it.
25:42The federal government has received, I think it's millions of voter registrations from some Republican-led states that have given
25:54them access to it.
25:55Do you know what percentage of those votes or those registrations where they found actual fraud of any kind?
26:06Do you?
26:07Yeah.
26:08What is it?
26:08It is a fraction of a percentage.
26:11Fraction.
26:11And in some cases, when they double-checked, the flags that they thought were fraud were actually not fraud.
26:17So what you're saying is there's all kinds of fraud all over the place, but not in voting.
26:21Well, here's what my point is.
26:23Not in voting.
26:23You're claiming that it's never been looked at.
26:25That's false.
26:26You're claiming that this administration hasn't been able to look at it.
26:29That's also false.
26:30Not in California.
26:31What's not in California?
26:32You are claiming that just the fact that the federal government hasn't looked at all the state voter rolls is
26:39proof that there is fraud is not true.
26:42But there's data, too.
26:43Again, I'll ask you again.
26:44What else do you have?
26:45I just said earlier, when you have a candidate who's in third place, this is a Democrat and Democrat, Bass
26:51and Yanya, she's in third place.
26:53She was getting 20% of the vote on pre-election day, on voter mail end, on election day.
26:59The last poll that we can do here at CNN.
27:02No, you don't.
27:02No, you don't.
27:02Let me just have Hal and Caroline take another look at this poll.
27:06Because polls are not everything, but since we don't have a...
27:09You just said that he was up in a poll.
27:10I'm just showing you...
27:12I didn't say that.
27:12He's down in this poll.
27:13He was up in the vote.
27:14And so, look, we don't know what's going to happen until election day, until voters vote.
27:20And right now, voters have voted, and those votes are being counted, and that's what we go on.
27:26Okay?
27:26And unless you guys can come to this table with something other than a bunch of speculation, the idea that
27:32there is rampant fraud, there is no proof of it.
27:34There's no proof of it in California.
27:36There was no proof of it in Georgia.
27:38There was no proof of it in Arizona.
27:40And y'all have had six years on the Trump front to prove it.
27:44Why can't you prove it?
27:45Because I just want to know why she...
27:48And listen.
27:48You can't prove it that it's not true.
27:49I just want to know why she did not concede.
27:52That is not accurate.
27:52She was on stage crying.
27:54She didn't...
27:54Okay, she might have been on stage crying.
27:56She did not concede.
27:57And she's not going to say it, but she's saying all the same.
27:59She said there were still a lot of ballots to be counted, and that the race was not going
28:03to be called that night.
28:03Why is she crying?
28:04All right, next for us, the president says that he calls the shots when it comes to Iran, and that
28:09he'll
28:10declare total victory over the country in the next two weeks.
28:13What's different this time?
28:14Well, we'll discuss that next.
28:21We're negotiating now, and they want to make a very good deal.
28:25I think we are winning that battle, but you're really going to win it over the next two weeks
28:29when we declare total victory.
28:31It'll be a total victory.
28:34Two weeks.
28:35Does that timeline sound familiar to you?
28:37Well, it's because Donald Trump has used it for healthcare, for infrastructure, for taxes,
28:41for conspiracy evidence, TikTok, tariffs, trusting Putin.
28:45I could go on and on.
28:46It's historically a tell that he has no idea what the timeline is or how to proceed on something.
28:51And that fits since today marks 100 days since the start of the Iran war.
28:56And once again, there is no end in sight.
28:59After Iran attacked Israel for continued strikes on Hezbollah in Lebanon, Israel briefly defied
29:05the president's demand not to respond and escalate the situation.
29:09Now, Trump told Axios reporter and CNN contributor Barak Ravid that he warned Israeli Prime Minister
29:15Benjamin Netanyahu, you better be careful or you'll be on your own very soon.
29:20Trump also told the Financial Times that he, and not Netanyahu, calls the shots.
29:24It echoed what Trump said nearly three weeks ago.
29:29What did you say to Prime Minister Netanyahu about Iran and how long to hold off on strikes?
29:35He's fine. He'll do whatever I want him to do.
29:36He's a very good man.
29:39He'll do whatever I want him to do.
29:41And he's a great guy.
29:43To me, he's a great guy.
29:47And it appears Trump's call to Netanyahu worked.
29:50CNN has learned that Israel was preparing for a significant attack on Tehran.
29:54But Trump convinced Netanyahu to stand down.
29:57And this is a moment, I think, Hal, of division between Israel and the president.
30:05And I actually think that this idea that Trump told Netanyahu, you're going to be on your own
30:10if you keep doing X, Y, and Z, is something that if we'd heard that from another president,
30:14people would be hair on fire.
30:15And in fact, to be fair, some people, Mark Levine has said, why are we turning on Israel
30:20and Netanyahu tonight?
30:22Wow, he adds.
30:24What is going on here?
30:25Is Trump taking up too much for the Iranians to try to get them to the negotiation table?
30:32Well, I think Israel would like to destroy Iran.
30:34And I think President Trump is holding them back from doing that.
30:36So I think he's wanting Iran to cut a deal, Iran to cut a deal.
30:41And he's saying, look, I'm holding Israel back.
30:43Let's cut a deal.
30:44I think that's what's going on here.
30:45And Netanyahu is just ready to move forward with this.
30:49President Trump wants to cut a deal.
30:50And I think that's really what's going on here.
30:51And when people say, you know, they're saying, well, Trump said no new wars.
30:55Look, Iran started this.
30:57They've attacked us for years.
30:59He took out Soleimani in his first term.
31:01So Trump's been aggressive with Iran.
31:03I don't think it's all that surprising what's happening here.
31:05And I think he wants to end this the way he wants to end it and not the way Netanyahu
31:09wants to end it.
31:10But he did say no new wars over and over.
31:14But he didn't start this one.
31:15People say he started it.
31:16Look, Iran's been at war with us for a long time.
31:18And he did take out Soleimani.
31:19Iran's been at war with us.
31:20How many U.S. citizens has Iran killed on U.S. soil in their 47 years?
31:23Well, how many soldiers have they killed?
31:24And why were our soldiers in the Middle East to begin with?
31:26Okay.
31:26How many Americans have they killed on U.S. soil?
31:28So that's allowed?
31:29They're allowed to kill soldiers in the Middle East?
31:30Hold on.
31:30So how many, for the people who chant death to America for 47 years, how many U.S. citizens
31:35have they killed on U.S. soil?
31:37Okay.
31:37How many on U.S. soil, Hal?
31:39So that's all that counts?
31:39It's an easy answer.
31:40You should know it.
31:40Or is it like Ted Cruz where you don't know the population of Iran?
31:43Wow.
31:43How many U.S. citizens have they killed on U.S. soil?
31:46You know, I don't know the answer to that.
31:47I would guess it's low.
31:48But I don't think that's the telltale test.
31:50I don't think you have to kill us on our soil.
31:51If you're killing us overseas, you're killing U.S. citizens.
31:53Why are we overseas to begin with?
31:55Why are our soldiers in the Middle East to begin with?
31:56Why are we really going to go into global politics and why we're overseas?
31:59I don't think we have enough time.
31:59You were talking about...
32:00Why are we just talking about...
32:02Don't interrupt.
32:05Don't interrupt.
32:06Don't interrupt.
32:07Just get some popcorn.
32:19We're overseas because...
32:26Das war die 18 US-intelligenten Agencies, die 18 US-intelligenten Agencies in our country, back to those.
32:44What is that supposed to mean? Back to those? Who's intelligence-intelligenten Agencies?
32:50Well, they were the 18 intelligence agencies you're about to quote. Go ahead.
32:52No, that's, no, that is, it wasn't the intel agencies. It was the politicians.
32:58It wasn't the intel agencies that lied about that. It was the politicians, like your old friend Ted Cruz, that
33:04believed those lies and got us into those wars, and it was President Trump who campaigned on being different, and
33:09that's a separate thing I'm going to get into, but the 18 US intelligence agencies concluded that Iran was not
33:14building a nuclear weapon, and that has not changed during the course of this war.
33:17However, what has changed is that Iran has now learned they don't need a nuclear weapon, because they can behave
33:23like a nuclear power without ever needing to be one, because they can just close the Strait of Hormuz if
33:28and when they ever want, and they have learned what China has learned, which is that you're never going to
33:31beat the US military militarily, you beat us economically.
33:35Last quick point on that. Trump keeps saying how badly he wants a deal. The Iranians keep saying nothing. They're
33:45not negotiating, they're not coming to a deal, and they still have nuclear material in, on their soil.
33:50So it seems that they're the ones who seem to think that they have the upper hand to keep this
33:55going as long as they want.
33:56Well, I think it's the economic lever just about more than anything else, because it is able to control not
34:03just the United States, but really the Western world in a lot of ways.
34:07And because of the way the Western world has treated that region for centuries, you can understand why there may
34:13be some animosity.
34:14And the bigger point there is that Netanyahu has been trying to push presidents into this for many presidencies.
34:20Trump's the only one to debate, because everybody knew what was going to happen.
34:23Israel wanted to wipe them off the map, and they knew that they would have some leverage, because they're in
34:30the region and they have the Strait.
34:31This is the problem.
34:32Well, it's the economic lever except for the political lever.
34:35Not exactly a hero's welcome for the president tonight at Madison Square Garden.
34:38We're going to talk the politics and the basketball next.
34:49Tonight, Donald Trump returned to New York City to attend Game 3 of the NBA Finals.
34:53And he was shown on the Jumbertron at Madison Square Garden during the national anthem.
34:58The reception to the president's homecoming may not have been what he hoped for.
35:22But I cannot imagine that the president was surprised that he was booed at MSG.
35:26I was just at, what was the thing where Fernando Mendoza played?
35:31The NCAA football championship.
35:35And Trump went.
35:36This was in Miami earlier this year.
35:39Spent so much money there, I'm not going to a sports event the rest of my life.
35:43And he was booed as well.
35:45So, listen, I think he knows that comes with the territory.
35:49New York even more than in Miami, Florida.
35:52I would tell you basketball and Madison Square Garden even more.
35:56It also, you know, caused a lot of disruption.
35:58It meant that a watch party that was scheduled to happen outside of MSG did not happen.
36:04But, you know, he takes the punches.
36:08He knows that the boos are coming.
36:09And he may be a glutton for punishment because the way that the city was, like, bracing for chaos today
36:14was unbelievable.
36:15Well, I think the boos weren't as much political.
36:17Well, I won't say that.
36:19They were definitely political.
36:21And what you did to the city, they couldn't have the watch party.
36:25Blocks of, you know, streets are blocked off.
36:27And there was an opportunity for you to maybe have a watch party in Washington because there's so many Knicks
36:33fans in D.C.
36:34You could have done it in the White House lawn.
36:36It would have been cool.
36:37You would have been cool.
36:38By that blue reflecting pool he just made.
36:40Exactly.
36:41Could have put a little orange right down the middle.
36:42The White House lawn is under construction right now.
36:44But the point being is that there was an opportunity for you to take that moment as a New Yorker
36:49and still allow the Knicks to have their moment.
36:51He's a Floridian now.
36:52Don't you know that we don't have property taxes over there?
36:54We don't have state income taxes over there?
36:56He's a New Yorker.
36:57That's why he wants the approval of the city so much.
36:58I don't mind presidents going to spring events.
37:01But I do think that this one seemed, like, just unnecessary.
37:05It was.
37:06Just given everything that it entails to get him there.
37:10Yeah.
37:10And keep him safe.
37:11Yeah.
37:11I mean, it's interesting because actually after the White House Correspondents' Dinner, there
37:15was a lot of the common strategy out of the White House was we have to have the ballroom
37:18because it's not safe.
37:19But it's like it's safe for him to go to Madison Square Garden.
37:21But I mean, I think Madison Square Garden is not the SEC or in NYC.
37:25But what is interesting is when I worked on President Trump's 2024 campaign the month before he got elected, we
37:31held a historic rally at MSG where it was a very different vibe.
37:35I'll tell you that.
37:36Not a lot of booze.
37:37A lot of cheers.
37:38And so it was historic because it was New York because it's deep blue New York City for a Republican
37:43who then went on to win the presidency.
37:45But what I will say is I think it's good for the president to go out and do this and
37:50hear this reaction from the crowd because I really think it's the war that is driving the crowd's reaction.
37:55And his staff really keeps him in a bubble.
37:58They take him to the villages in Florida and they're like, see, everybody loves you.
38:01And it's like, no, everybody hates this war.
38:04And it's good for him to go out and actually get in touch with the people and really see, oh,
38:09wait.
38:09And I think you're starting to see it shape his decision making, too.
38:12So I actually think this was a positive.
38:13Interesting.
38:14All right, everyone.
38:14Thanks for joining us tonight.
38:16We'll be back in just a moment.
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