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00:00This is CNN Breaking News.
00:05Good evening. I'm Abby Phillip in New York.
00:07In Breaking News tonight, in one of the biggest primary showdowns of the year,
00:12CNN is projecting that Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton
00:16will defeat longtime incumbent Senator John Cornyn in the GOP runoff for U.S. Senate.
00:22It was a blowout win and a massive victory for Trump
00:26that tested his grip on the Republican Party.
00:28For months, Trump sat out this contest.
00:31But in a surprise move last week, the president endorsed Paxton,
00:35arguing that Cornyn wasn't loyal enough to him while he was president.
00:39So here's what Paxton had to say about Trump's support just a few moments ago.
00:45When everyone in Washington told him to abandon me and abandon the people of Texas,
00:49he didn't listen.
00:50Instead, he gave his complete and total endorsement.
00:55President Trump is the leader of our party,
00:57and his endorsement is the most powerful force in politics.
01:01Tonight, we just sent a Texas-sized message to Washington.
01:06I said it in March, and I'll say it again now.
01:10Today, change was on the ballot, and change won.
01:15Now, Paxton's nomination could ultimately complicate things come November.
01:20He is coming with, to put it lightly, a long, long laundry list of scandals that have plagued him.
01:25That's something that has worried some GOP senators who believe that Cornyn
01:30had a better chance of hanging on to this GOP seat in the fall.
01:34Now, Brad Todd, I mean, he's right that Trump's endorsement is king in the Republican primary,
01:42but I'm wondering, do you think he is right that Trump made the right decision here to endorse Paxton?
01:47Well, first off, incumbents tend to get in runoffs what they got in the first,
01:51and so John Cornyn's camp was already concerned that he was under 50% in the first,
01:55and you don't tend to grow much as an incumbent the second time around.
01:58But I think it's a big gamble by President Trump.
02:01Ken Paxton's a bad fundraiser.
02:02There's a lot of opposition research against him.
02:05He's a polarizing figure.
02:06His only saving grace in this is that he's running against James Tallarico,
02:10who is the most radical person to ever run statewide in Texas.
02:13And this election in the fall will be a referendum on him more than it will be on Ken Paxton,
02:19I suspect.
02:20James Tallarico is not.
02:22Ken Paxton, that's for sure, because James Tallarico's never been indicted like Ken Paxton has.
02:27James Tallarico's never been impeached like Ken Paxton has.
02:29James Tallarico doesn't have any scandals of infidelity like Ken Paxton does.
02:34James Tallarico is the antithesis of Ken Paxton because Ken Paxton is the most corrupt politician in America,
02:40according to James Tallarico's new ad he just released today.
02:43So Democrats, you know, don't really have a good shot usually in a state like Texas,
02:48but Donald Trump just gave Democrats the best possible hand they could by supporting Ken Paxton
02:55and not supporting his incumbent, John Cornyn.
02:57I'll agree with you, John Cornyn.
02:58If John Cornyn had won tonight, we would never talk about the Texas Senate race ever again.
03:04And Ken Paxton is the only way this could be an ongoing topic on this network.
03:08Yeah, and there is also the fundraising issue that has been brought up,
03:11is that the Republicans are going to have to spend a lot of money on this race.
03:15And James Tallarico, I think already in the first quarter, has raised like nearly $30 million.
03:19So the Democrats can literally leave him alone and let him operate on his own,
03:23and that's a big win for them considering the amount of money they're going to have to spend in some
03:26other races.
03:27So from a strategy standpoint, even if James Tallarico doesn't win,
03:31I think it still benefits the Democratic Party.
03:33I also, you know, I see Trump doing what he often does, which is deciding that someone's loyalty is not
03:40enough.
03:41Trump said in his endorsement of Paxton that John Cornyn is a good man and I work well with him,
03:46but he was not supportive of me when times were tough.
03:49John was very late in backing me in what turned out to be a historic run for the Republican nomination
03:54and then the presidency.
03:55And he's not wrong about that.
03:58But, I mean, comments dating back to 2016, you know, Cornyn is basically saying Trump would be a bad nominee,
04:04but so did a lot of people.
04:05So did Marco Rubio.
04:06So did J.D. Vance.
04:08So why is it that some people's loyalty is being held against them and other people it's not?
04:16Abby, I don't think you have to go back to 2016.
04:18It was just a few weeks ago that Trump was on the precipice of endorsing John Cornyn.
04:21So when you throw out the fact that he's not loyal, the reality is that he was basically prepared to
04:26endorse Cornyn.
04:28There's no doubt that he has full grip on the Republican Party.
04:31I think you've seen that again in Indiana.
04:33You've seen that in Kentucky.
04:34You've seen that in Louisiana.
04:35In this case, though, I think he had clear evidence that Paxton was going to win this race, which is
04:39why he made endorse him.
04:40He just kind of jumped on the horse.
04:41He got in front of the parade as fast as he could.
04:45I mean, again, if this was about being loyal or not, then he wouldn't have been prepared to endorse Cornyn
04:50just a few weeks ago.
04:51You think that he's just trying to back the person who was likely?
04:55In this case.
04:56Now, again, I'm not questioning his command of the party because he's shown it again and again and again.
05:00But in this case, I think he was trying to get ahead of the parade.
05:03I think Trump also has some unique insight here that indictments and impeachments and infidelities and divorces don't really disqualify
05:11a candidate.
05:11This is a man who's the woman who was married in for years won't even won't even endorse him.
05:16But he's got that Trump endorsement.
05:18And apparently that is one of the biggest pieces of political capital we can have.
05:24They were just saying that in the clip we watched.
05:26But in truth, the biggest power is not a Trump endorsement.
05:28It's people showing up and voting.
05:30I'm excited to see in this general election how the youth vote, how the rural vote, how people of color
05:36turn out.
05:37Because folks like Ken Paxton are running on a record where they've enriched themselves and lined their pockets, right?
05:44His net worth has grown $12 million since he's been in office in 2003, basically my whole lifetime.
05:51And while attorney general, he denied people water breaks, right?
05:56That was what he was running on.
05:57Meanwhile, he's got 10 homes all across this country.
06:01And so him and Donald Trump have a whole lot in common.
06:04And this endorsement is no surprise.
06:05But Tallarico doesn't have much in common with most Texans.
06:07I think that's going to be a real challenge.
06:09If you're basically saying that eating meat is such an existential threat to the environment, that's not going to play
06:14well in Texas.
06:15The Texas swing voter is right of center.
06:18And the Democrats would have done themselves much better if tonight they had nominated a Hispanic, Catholic, tough on the
06:24border, tough on law and order, state legislator or sheriff or county commissioner in the border counties.
06:30I mean, Donald Trump carried the Rio Grande Valley.
06:32I think Republicans are going to carry most of the Rio Grande Valley in Congress races this year.
06:36James Tallarico is Austin.
06:38He is the left of the left of the Texas Democratic Party.
06:41It's funny.
06:41It's funny that Republicans, you know, I wasn't even a James Tallarico supporter.
06:44I supported Jasmine Crockett in the primary.
06:46I've been in Texas the past five months because I've been there with my mom.
06:50And I'm telling you that Texas is ripe for the pickings.
06:55Democrats have to have the right candidate and the right time.
06:58And Democrats are excited this year in the way they haven't been in any other year in recent memory.
07:03So I think there's a lot of opportunity.
07:04And the fact that they're going after James Tallarico the way they are with these silly attacks about whether he
07:09eats meat or not.
07:11That's the worst that they come up with.
07:12We can go further.
07:15I'm sorry.
07:16There's 12 million cows in Texas.
07:18I get it.
07:19If you want to say the Ken in Texas believes there's six genders, I think there's going to be a
07:23lot of issues.
07:24He says the American flag is a complicated symbol.
07:26But see, this is the kind of nonsense the Republicans want to play.
07:30They don't want to focus on the real issues.
07:32What's going to be good for Texas?
07:34Who's going to put money on your table?
07:40Now that we've seen Paxton coming through as the nominee here, I actually think this is going to be a
07:45race largely about corruption.
07:47And there's a hunger for moral leadership right now in this party and across this country that I think James
07:52Tallarico is speaking to.
07:54Let me play some of the – these are some voters that were speaking earlier today during voting about their
07:59choice in this Senate race, Republican voters.
08:02Listen.
08:04I was torn because I was going to go with Cronin.
08:08Cornyn.
08:08Cornyn.
08:11But when Trump backed in – I listened to Trump.
08:14I like Trump.
08:15I like Trump a lot.
08:16I made one vote and that was for Cornyn.
08:19And why is that?
08:21Primarily because he's not supported by Trump.
08:24I don't like Paxton's history and that combined with Trump's support makes it a non-starter.
08:32I think he's ruined my Republican Party.
08:35I think he's divided America.
08:39So that last gentleman, you know, I don't know how many Republicans in the state of Texas feel that way.
08:47But I wonder about the 30-something percent that Cornyn did get in this race and whether that's a sign
08:53of trouble.
08:54Because, you know, Tallarico, he had a statement tonight.
08:57He said he's thanking John Cornyn for his years of service.
09:00He says, we don't agree on everything, but we still believe in public service.
09:03To Senator Cornyn's supporters, you have a place in our campaign.
09:08I mean, I do wonder – look, Democrats have a long history of spending – wasting a lot of time
09:13trying to go after Republican voters.
09:15But I do wonder, I mean, how many Republicans, not only do they hate Paxton's history,
09:21but they don't like what Trump has been doing to the Republican Party and might be looking to send a
09:25message.
09:26Look, I think Paxton is a divisive and a weak candidate for Republicans.
09:30I still think it's Texas, Abby, and I still think at the end of the day that even that candidate
09:34is going to beat Tallarico in November.
09:37Will we spend a lot of resources in Texas that I wish we'd be spending elsewhere?
09:42Absolutely.
09:42Have we already spent a lot of dollars trying to support incumbent John Cornyn that some think maybe is replenishable?
09:49But some donors may feel like, I just spent a ton of money and lost in a primary.
09:52It may not be.
09:53So I think this is –
09:54And a lot of people are loyal to Cornyn in terms of fundraising.
09:58I think Cornyn is – the donors in Texas love John Cornyn, but they also do not want a left
10:04-wing Democrat like James Tallarico.
10:06Now, I think he's a lift. I think he's a pretty big lift, but I think that the president has
10:12$300 million in his affiliated committees.
10:14There's no place like Texas to raise Republican money because it comes out of the ground and it won't stop
10:19coming out of the ground every day.
10:22I think the real danger here, though, for Republicans is that Republican voters just won't show up.
10:28Because, I mean, Kim Paxson was impeached by Republican House of Representatives in Texas.
10:33It wasn't Democrats who impeached some Republicans.
10:35He's not well-liked.
10:36He's not just scandal-placed.
10:38He's disliked.
10:39And the idea that –
10:40Turnouts love tonight, too.
10:41You're right about that.
10:42Do you remember when, back in the 2017 Alabama Senate race, Trump endorsed Roy Moore, who was accused of sexual
10:52encounters with young girls, teens?
10:56And he did so despite all – everybody basically telling him not to do it.
11:00Roy Moore goes on to lose that campaign by a small margin, but loses it.
11:06I mean, there is a prospect that this could be a similar setup.
11:10Doug Jones promised he was a moderate in that race.
11:12James Salarico is not promising that.
11:14You know, I mean, I guess the question is on what are voters going to be voting on.
11:20Are they going to be voting on the price of gas being $4 plus, or are they going to be
11:24voting on what people think are, you know, gender pronouns or whatever?
11:28And I was just about to bring that up.
11:30I think the state of the economy is really going to play in Democrats' favor in this race, especially in
11:34Texas, where they love to brag about how cheap everything is.
11:38And now it's not looking that way anymore.
11:40You also have, I think, the other issue is that because Trump has aligned himself with this person and they
11:46are like this, this is a historically unpopular president.
11:50So while, yes, the endorsement was enough to carry him with Republicans, but there's a whole lot of independents and
11:55a whole lot of swing voters that are, like, out on Trump completely.
11:58And I think that situation applies to Texas as well, despite the fact that on some level, I think you're
12:04right that the makeup of James Salarico is not what you would typically expect Texas to vote for.
12:10But considering everything that is happening in the country and all the issues, I think that this is probably as
12:15good of a chance as the Democrats have had in years to actually win this state.
12:19Abby, Texas may be one of those states where high oil prices maybe don't hurt you as much.
12:24I was in Houston last week and gas prices were about 85 cents cheaper than they were in Texas.
12:27In Texas they are, for sure.
12:28But, you know, Ted Cruz posted a picture of the gas he paid.
12:32It was still $4 a gallon.
12:33And for Texas, that's like...
12:34People don't like $4 a gallon gas.
12:36High gas prices are bad.
12:37We can agree on that.
12:39All right, next for us.
12:40Even some MAGA hosts are stunned by Trump's recent behavior in his slush fund deal.
12:44We'll discuss that.
12:46Plus, Iran is threatening to retaliate tonight after the U.S. strikes during the ceasefire, even as the president is
12:52claiming a deal to once again just keep talking is in place.
13:01Tonight, even MAGA supporters are shocked by Donald Trump's brazen presidency.
13:06Here's Megyn Kelly, who endorsed and voted for Trump in 2024, campaigned with him, calling out the president and his
13:14family for, quote, self-dealing.
13:17I have to be honest, I didn't expect the corruption to be quite as, you know, widespread as it's been.
13:24And, like, the self-dealing and the lining of his and his family's pockets.
13:28Like, that's been a little shocking.
13:31Talking billions of dollars.
13:33And I just didn't expect Trump to be so disrespectful of his base.
13:35I mean, you look at, like, across the board of the Trump family.
13:37I've never seen a family get so rich off of a presidency.
13:39Right, right.
13:40And it happened at the same time as we now have a Supreme Court ruling that basically says any official
13:44act he takes while in the White House is protected.
13:47Right.
13:47And those two things are, you know, seem to be giving him some sort of a hall pass that could
13:53very much get abused.
13:54Like, this is not the way it's supposed to be.
13:56This, even one of those would have caused a massive scandal 12, 13 years ago.
14:05Joe Rogan, who is on a texting basis with Trump, slammed his $1.8 billion slush fund for his supporters.
14:12That also bans the IRS from investigating Trump and his family for past tax issues.
14:19That is so crazy.
14:21Imagine, like, somebody accused you of murder.
14:23Yeah.
14:23And it turns out you weren't guilty of that murder.
14:26And then you sue them.
14:27You go, you can never prosecute me for murder again.
14:30And then you just go straight, Ude Hussein.
14:35The shock of some of these folks, actually, I thought it was interesting, Megyn Kelly says, I'm shocked that Trump
14:42is so disrespectful of his base.
14:45I don't know.
14:46I mean, I'm not sure what you're saying.
14:49Well, that's the thing, though, is it's really hard to take either one of them seriously for a number of
14:53reasons.
14:54The Donald Trump that is here today has been the same person.
14:57Like, this is not maybe the grift is different and maybe it's a little more polished and maybe it's more
15:02well executed.
15:03But he has been a grifter and a corrupt person his whole life.
15:07And so it's hard for me to believe in hearing them that this isn't another part of the scam.
15:12Like, oh, let me get off this train now because I see that he's a total train wreck.
15:17But you knew this before.
15:18There was plenty of reasons you didn't have to support him in 2024.
15:21And the same with Joe Rogan.
15:23Plenty of reasons.
15:24None of those reasons have changed.
15:25And so it's almost like they're saying, oh, I knew he was bad.
15:29I just didn't think he was that bad.
15:31Well, if you knew he was bad, that's enough reason not to support him and not to help further his
15:35campaign.
15:35So I don't know.
15:38It's just hard for me to take them seriously.
15:40I almost feel, too, that what they're saying is I knew he was bad.
15:43I just didn't know he would be bad this loudly and embarrass all of us.
15:46Correct.
15:46Which we probably all at this table could have seen coming to some degree.
15:50But the way that he has enriched himself and his family over a billion dollars just this year, I think,
15:55his personal net worth has been creative and various, right?
16:00Like through the courts, through crypto, there's nothing he won't try.
16:04And I think his base is starting to catch on, that he is in no way working for them, but
16:08is working for himself and his family.
16:10And even these commentators are looking at a presidency that is coming to an end while they still have to
16:15further their media careers.
16:16Well, you know, I mean, Mark, just I often point out, obviously, that Republicans made a whole career out of
16:24claiming that Joe Biden enriched himself off of his son's, you know, whatever Hunter Biden was doing.
16:32We know that President Trump, his net worth has skyrocketed to $6.5 billion since he's been president.
16:40His sons are actively and openly in a whole slew of businesses that are regulated by the Trump presidency, cryptocurrency,
16:50you know, gambling or whatever you want to call it.
16:56Trump says it's not gambling, but it is prediction markets, real estate investments, truth social, all of it.
17:05I mean, how do you justify that if you're a Republican?
17:08Abby, I remember being on the campaign in 2016, and one of the most electric lines was the drain the
17:13swamp rally cry at the various rallies.
17:17I think American voters elected Donald Trump to clean it up.
17:20They viewed that Hillary Clinton and the Clinton machine was corrupt.
17:23I think it helped in 2020 that 2024 that the Biden family, I think, had taken advantage of taxpayers,
17:30with Hunter making money off the communist Chinese and making money off his paintings.
17:33I think that Republicans look inconsistent, but we don't call it out as well on this Donald Trump.
17:39I think when you see that basically it's not just it's Qatar that is funding much of their crypto investments,
17:46when you see that Jared is basically getting his money from Saudi Arabia, yet also simultaneously negotiating Middle East peace
17:53process,
17:53if there's no conflict of interest there, that just today it came out that Kazakhstan has a mining company that
17:59the Trump boys are invested in,
18:01and it's being backed up by Ex-Im Bank loans, taxpayer funded.
18:05I think Republicans need to be consistent on this, and I think it could be a big detriment to them
18:10come November.
18:11I mean, would you agree, though, that what we're talking about is orders of magnitude difference?
18:15I mean, let's stipulate.
18:18Maybe it's millions of dollars that Hunter Biden made from his business dealings.
18:22We're talking about billions.
18:23I think it's bad either way, Abby.
18:25I don't want to get into comparison of one of the other.
18:26I think it's bad either way, and I think Republicans are right to call it out with Hunter, and we
18:29should be calling it out this time, too.
18:31I will call it out as hypocritical, because what Donald Trump just did last week was, in my opinion, and
18:38according to many who've looked at it,
18:39including the New York Times, which I know you probably don't agree with, the most corrupt decision that any president
18:44has ever made in history, in American history.
18:47I mean, first of all, he sued his own government for $10 billion.
18:50Then he negotiated a deal with himself, with his own lawyer, for $1.8 billion.
18:55But he has complete control over this with some fancy commission of people who his lawyer appoints, and he can
19:03fire.
19:03That is the most corrupt, self-dealing, most farcical operation I've ever seen.
19:09And the idea that he was able to get away with it, and Republicans won't call him out on it.
19:14Let me just make sure. I just want to also just make a note of this.
19:18The Trump administration is also now actively, and they say this is not being done quietly,
19:24they are deleting indictments from January 6th convicts that are on government websites, erasing, literally erasing history, and doing it
19:34proudly so.
19:35Nothing quite about it. We are proud to reverse the DOJ's weaponization under the Biden administration.
19:39This is about one man who has an ongoing child solicitation case and came to the Capitol armed with bear
19:47spray.
19:47I'm not familiar with that case or many of those other ones, but I will...
19:51But does it even matter? I mean, why are they erasing history?
19:54Most of those people shouldn't have been pardoned anywhere.
19:56At least the violent ones like Enrique Terrio shouldn't have.
19:58But we'll go back to Keats' point.
19:59The Republican senators are standing up to this.
20:02That's why they left town.
20:03That's why they left town.
20:04Whoa, whoa, they left town.
20:05Whoa, whoa, big action error.
20:07I think I would... I don't like the $1.8 billion slush fund.
20:12I wouldn't like it as $1.8 billion pennies either.
20:15And I think most Republican senators feel the same way.
20:18That's the kind of thing you do through a court or through the legislative process and not through a settlement.
20:22A judge could order it, but...
20:23What are they going to do about it? What are they going to do about it?
20:25Well, I mean, I can tell you right now that there is an extreme level of dissatisfaction within the Republican
20:31Senate conference.
20:32It's not just this.
20:33I think that's why John Cornyn got Trump's ire.
20:37I don't think it was anything about what John Cornyn had done or said himself regarding Donald Trump.
20:42I think that John Cornyn was the hostage that the president could shoot politically.
20:47He's mad at the whole conference.
20:48He's mad that they haven't gotten rid of the filibuster.
20:50He's mad that they left town.
20:52I think this is...
20:53They're not actually doing anything.
20:55They left town.
20:56I mean, honestly, they're not even really saying a whole lot about it.
20:59It sunk the reconciliation bill.
21:01It should be a big win for Republicans.
21:02It should be us being strong on border security when Democrats are weak, and instead it's been totally derailed.
21:07But I'll go a step further.
21:08Listen, you would guys...
21:08I'll go a step further.
21:09Republicans would impeach a Democratic president who did even one of the things that we discussed.
21:15Abby, I'll go a step further.
21:16We keep talking about this as $1.8 billion.
21:20It's worse than that.
21:21It's $1.776.
21:24Right.
21:24Because some clown thought it'd be funny to say the people who rioted and assaulted police
21:28are equivalent to the people who founded our country 250 years ago and stood our country up.
21:33So I think it's even more nefarious than that.
21:35I think that this whole notion of $1.776 is some clever fool in the White House thinking this would
21:40be funny.
21:40And it's not.
21:41But I think it has already derailed.
21:42I also want to say that $1.776 is our money.
21:46And this is a time at which people are feeling the squeeze.
21:48Gas is more expensive than it's been in recent memory.
21:52Our electricity bills are up.
21:53Places like Arizona, it is so hot.
21:55And we are spending more and more every year just to keep our houses cool.
22:01Groceries are expensive, and people are just barely making it by.
22:04And that is our money that he is making that decision about, right?
22:08He's saying that our hard-earned tax dollars should go to these January 6th riders.
22:13There's nothing patriotic about that.
22:15And it is insensitive in a moment like this when so many Americans are struggling.
22:19Got to leave it there.
22:20Next for us, the president says that an Iran deal is close.
22:24But we have heard that before.
22:26Is this time any different?
22:28Some Republicans are getting fed up.
22:30We'll debate that next.
22:3587 days.
22:37That's how long it's been since the war with Iran began.
22:40That is twice as long as Trump had initially said it would last.
22:43And after weeks of saying an end was near and a deal was close,
22:46Trump is again saying that negotiations are proceeding nicely.
22:50And he's insisting that it will be a great deal or no deal at all.
22:54Marco Rubio says that both sides are just working on the particulars.
22:59I think there's strong alignment and agreement on what a preliminary draft should look like.
23:04I think, like anything, with something like this,
23:07it's going to take a couple days to settle on even down to the disagreements over a word, a sentence.
23:15So we'll have to work through that.
23:19They're calling that potential agreement a, quote, memorandum of understanding.
23:23Now, as for the details, those are pretty unclear.
23:26But the little that we do know appears to be more of a plan before the plan instead of a
23:32deal itself.
23:33According to our reporting, both sides would have to agree to stop fighting on all fronts.
23:37The Strait of Hormuz would be gradually reopened.
23:40And once that happens, a 60-day process would begin to tackle the other pressing issues.
23:45Most importantly, the reason this war began in the first place, Iran's nuclear program.
23:50Now, this weekend, Republican Senator and Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Roger Ricker,
23:55says that the rumored 60-day ceasefire would be a disaster.
24:00He added that everything accomplished in Operation Epic Fury would be for naught.
24:06I'll crib Frank Luntz here and just read his tweet.
24:11Insider reporting from unnamed White House officials says the Iran deal is 95 percent done.
24:15The remaining 5 percent of negotiations are focused on Iran opening the Strait of Hormuz and turning over all nuclear
24:22weapons.
24:22Seems to be a whole ballgame.
24:25Right.
24:26That doesn't seem like 5 percent.
24:27Right.
24:28I don't understand why we're even discussing this.
24:33Why are we discussing this as a deal if it doesn't deal with the core issues that caused the war
24:39to begin in the first place?
24:40Well, Abby, look, I think that there's been no president who stood with Israel more than Donald Trump.
24:45I think after October 7, 2023, it became an existential threat for Israel if it hadn't already been.
24:51And he stood with them.
24:52But I have similar concerns as Chairman Wicker.
24:54I feel like at this point, history shows that peace deals work better with a defeated enemy.
25:00And I think peace deals with your current adversary, if you haven't defeated them, never work as well.
25:05And so I have I have significant concerns about the administration negotiating some sort of temporary pause and it's more
25:12or less a ceasefire.
25:13And if you're going to basically unfreeze their assets, I don't see how this is different than what the Obama
25:18administration did in sending pallets of cash with the promise that one day they'll stop enriching uranium, too.
25:24Yeah, I mean, and just to underscore what we know, it would stop fighting on all fronts.
25:28Yes, the Strait of Hormuz would be reopened.
25:30It would tackle some of the other issues later, like the nuclear issue.
25:33And and the reporting is also that potentially there would be some unfreezing of assets.
25:42Now, the Iranians say that the unfreezing would happen in order to reopen the strait.
25:46But even the administration officials are saying that once the strait is reopened, then they would unfreeze assets, which seems
25:54to be that we are paying them to do what they were doing before, which is to allow free transit
25:59in the Strait of Hormuz.
26:01How is how is that a win?
26:02Yeah, this agreement deal or whatever we're calling it doesn't do much more than get us back to where we
26:07were before at the cost of twenty nine billion dollars.
26:10We've already spent in the war. Thirteen U.S. soldiers, hundreds of Americans injured, 13 killed, by the way, and
26:16gas prices at four thousand fifty cents a gallon.
26:18So I think what this deal is supposed to do is to get Donald Trump out of a political slump.
26:24Every other major war I've seen with the American president usually results in some sort of upsurge in the polls.
26:30I mean, George Bush was in the 90s. Both George Bush were in the 90s when their wars took place.
26:36But this is the most unpopular war I've seen in my lifetime.
26:39And Donald Trump is searching around for some sort of way to justify what he's doing here.
26:43But there is no way out, because, as you just said, this basically puts us back to where we could
26:50have been with the JCPOA, with Barack Obama's deal.
26:53But we're going to pause the Iranians would ever keep the deal.
26:56There's a cost, right, in terms of our tax dollars, money that we put in.
27:00Right. There's a cost to human life.
27:02But there's also been a cost to Donald Trump's support.
27:04And this war, like you said, is incredibly unpopular, is particularly unpopular with young people.
27:09And I think some of the people who are the most angry about this war are young MAGA.
27:14In fact, that Donald Trump stands to lose, because he campaigned on an America first, anti-interventionist platform that these
27:22young people bought into in 2024.
27:23And I think he stands to lose them.
27:25I do a lot of survey work with Republican primary voters and Republican base voters.
27:29The numbers don't bear that out.
27:31Republican voters want to take the Iranian government out, period.
27:34But he didn't do that.
27:36But I will say, Brad, there's a lot of polling that suggests that even among Republican voters, this war is
27:42not particularly popular.
27:44No, I disagree with that.
27:46I think it will be unpopular if we leave too soon.
27:48And if we quit without achieving the objectives, that will make it unpopular among Republicans.
27:53The question is not, do we want Iran to be defeated?
27:56Yeah, everybody wants Iran to be defeated.
27:58The question is, do we approve of how Trump is conducting this war?
28:02It's seven presidents too late.
28:04Every president that preceded him since 1979 has failed to do something very essential, which is take on the mullahs
28:11in Iran and stop them from being able to project terror in their region.
28:14It's seven presidents too late.
28:16Where we are right now, there's not much evidence that Trump has done what you're claiming the seven presidents also
28:21didn't do.
28:22And just to put a finer point on it, you know, Trump is saying very confidently that we're close to
28:28a deal.
28:29But he's been saying that since at least March 23rd.
28:33Listen.
28:36We have points, major points of agreement.
28:39I would say almost all points of agreement.
28:41They are negotiating, by the way, and they want to make a deal so badly, but they're afraid to say
28:45it.
28:45They are begging to work out a deal.
28:49Most of the points are already negotiated and agreed to.
28:53We're very close to making a deal.
28:54I mean, Iran is dying to make a deal.
28:56And who wouldn't when your military is totally gone?
29:00We're going to end that war very quickly.
29:04Maybe it'll be a good deal.
29:05Maybe it'll be a bad deal.
29:06But maybe there won't be a deal.
29:08Because this is what he's been saying.
29:10First of all, I don't think he has a clear idea of what kind of war he's actually fighting.
29:14He wanted this to be a war of strength.
29:17Iran knew, head to head, no.
29:19Right?
29:19So if I'm facing a bully and we both fighting and I know they're bigger than me, then I'm going
29:24to have to do something more psychological.
29:26Because I can't win the physical war.
29:28Iran knows that this war is deeply unpopular in the United States because of the expense.
29:34They are fighting a war against economic chaos.
29:36That's the war they're fighting.
29:38Trump is fighting something different.
29:39And that's why he has put himself in a complete corner.
29:41Because if you put that much force and the military did all that it did, it still didn't make them
29:49give in.
29:49So now you have no point of leverage.
29:52Now you have to come to the table and make this look like a win for yourself.
29:55And they know that.
29:56And it feels like whatever they're going to get out of this, it won't even be as good as the
30:01last deal.
30:01All right.
30:01We have to leave it there.
30:02Next for us, the New York Giants quarterback, stumped for President Trump, gets a fast lesson about the cost of
30:08mixing politics and sports.
30:10So we'll discuss that next.
30:15Tonight, New York Giants quarterback Jackson Dart is facing criticism, including from one of his own teammates, for showing his
30:21political colors off the field.
30:26What a privilege it is to be here.
30:28And without further ado, I'm grateful.
30:31I'm honored.
30:32I'm honored to introduce the 45th and 47th president of the United States of America, President Donald J. Trump.
30:41I want to thank Jackson Dart.
30:43This is going to be a future Hall of Famer in my book.
30:46Thank you.
30:47Thank you, Jackson.
30:50Dart is a 23-year-old second-year player.
30:53And his teammate, 22-year-old Abdul Carter, took to social media to react.
30:58Quote, I thought this shit was AI.
31:00What do we do in man?
31:02Carter wrote before deleting that post.
31:04Then Carter says that he and Dart are on good terms and had a conversation as men.
31:09But Dart's appearance and Carter's response are prompting a national debate.
31:16Jamal, what do you think?
31:18I mean, are we at a place where we can, and anybody can say that if you're an athlete, you
31:22shouldn't be up on a political stage speaking?
31:24Well, sports and politics have always mixed.
31:26I mean, they've mixed since the days of George Washington.
31:29What changed about this narrative of sports and politics not belonging together is when, frankly, black athletes started to show
31:35more agency
31:35and started to speak more about some of the conditions that people in their community were facing
31:40or even some of the experiences that they had.
31:42That's when it became, oh, no, don't mix sports and politics.
31:45In this particular case, this was an unforced error by Jackson Dart.
31:50Again, Donald Trump is historically unpopular.
31:52You are the quarterback of the New York Giants.
31:54What was the point?
31:55What is the upside in appearing at this rally?
31:58Now, he has a right to support whoever he wants, but Abdul Carter has a right to criticize his support
32:03of that.
32:04And a lot of athletes, partly what makes them hesitant about talking about their political beliefs is that they don't
32:11want the blowback
32:11and they don't want the resistance in how people might feel about it.
32:15So, yeah, his teammate who is a Muslim, who is a black man in America, had every right to question
32:20him about what that support means,
32:22especially when you are considered to be the face of the organization and the sort of default leader of the
32:28entire team.
32:29They're both got the free speech rights to do and associate it.
32:33They sure do.
32:33And neither one of them was using the football field or their jersey or their helmet as a platform.
32:38Well, he was actually leading a chant that was associated with the team at the rally, and it was incredibly
32:42embarrassing.
32:43It's not during the game.
32:44It's not people who've paid the ticket.
32:45I'm going to go watch Bruce Springsteen tomorrow night, and I'm going to agree with none of his politics,
32:49but I agree with all of his songs, and I'm going to enjoy that part of the show.
32:53And, like, he's going to use the whole concert for that.
32:55But Jackson Dart is not using the Giants Stadium, MetLife Stadium, whatever it's called now.
32:59Just their chance.
33:00Yeah.
33:00It's a private citizen.
33:02It's not really about that.
33:03He's not a private citizen.
33:04I mean, he's a public figure.
33:06He's a private citizen.
33:06It's a little bit different.
33:07He gets to vote just like everybody else does.
33:08But who is his, you know, when we think about who is he accountable to, it's his teammates first and
33:13his city second, right?
33:14His state is team.
33:15He's accountable to himself.
33:16I feel like we're so hypocritical on this.
33:17Well, he's going to be accountable on the Internet.
33:18I feel we're so hypocritical on this, Abby.
33:20Why is that?
33:21Because when Steve Kerr and the Warriors come out and condemn Trump, does anybody on this panel say,
33:25oh, that's out of line?
33:26They shouldn't do that.
33:27Jackson Dart has every right to be there with the president of the United States.
33:31And when people are invited and teams win national championships and they're invited to the White House, they should go.
33:35And yet every time there's a political statement, we're not going to be there with Donald Trump, the media justifies
33:40it, says it's fine.
33:41When Jackson Dart goes for rallies, all of a sudden we're going to criticize it?
33:44This is absurd.
33:45But it was about the person, though, not just the office, though.
33:47That's what I'm saying.
33:47Okay, was there a person?
33:48Was everybody okay?
33:49Was anybody going to get upset with Steve Kerr?
33:50Well, and by the way, all players didn't go see Obama.
33:52There were some that decided to sit out and not go because they didn't agree with his politics.
33:56And that's totally fine.
33:57I don't have to find that.
33:58But it's not fine.
33:59No, it's fine.
33:59You're talking about two different things.
34:00You're talking about, you know.
34:01No, I didn't say he didn't have a right to go.
34:03What I said is when you do that, you're going to open yourself up to criticism.
34:07I think what's hypocritical is that there's one thing that distinguishes this from everything else for me.
34:11In no other situation am I aware of, has the President of the United States ever come out and attacked
34:16someone, a professional athlete, for taking a stand?
34:19Except when Donald Trump did that with Colin Kaepernick and said, and I quote, get that son of a bitch
34:25off this field right now.
34:26He's fired.
34:27That is an irresponsible, inappropriate thing.
34:30Violation of everything the First Amendment is supposed to be about.
34:32To use your pressure as the President of the United States to try to get a professional athlete off of
34:37the field for expressing his free speech.
34:39And for Republicans to even criticize anybody else after you have a Republican President who did that, you have no
34:46credibility to talk about that.
34:47He was using the game in the stadium in the uniform.
34:50The difference is the President of the United States was using his platform.
34:54Colin Kaepernick was using the stage in the game.
34:56The President of the United States was using his platform to try to silence an American citizen.
35:00Brad, I don't understand.
35:01Why is it that Colin Kaepernick suddenly doesn't have First Amendment rights?
35:05He does.
35:06He does.
35:06Because he's in the stadium, right?
35:08He has First Amendment rights as soon as he's off the job.
35:11That's not the way the First Amendment works, baby.
35:14That's not the way the First Amendment works.
35:15You only have First Amendment rights when you're not playing football?
35:18His politics belongs off the field.
35:21Oh, come on.
35:21Jackson Dart should be engaging in politics on the field.
35:24And Donald Trump's threats exist outside the White House, and yet here we are.
35:27Since when is the football field a no-constitution zone?
35:30So wait a minute.
35:30Steve Kerr, to Mark's point, Steve Kerr is allowed to, and every other coach who hates Donald Trump or a
35:38player who hates Donald Trump,
35:39that's not politicizing anything.
35:40That's not inappropriate.
35:41No, it totally is.
35:42I mean, I guess I think that, yes, I think criticizing players right now on either side of the aisle
35:50doesn't make a lot of sense.
35:51But I also think you have to grapple with what he just said about the Colin Kaepernick of it all.
35:57Because what's different about that is that it's not just other players or random people on the Internet.
36:02It was the president of the United States, not just that one time, but repeatedly using his platform to attack
36:10an individual player for speaking out,
36:12not about partisan politics, mind you, but about social issues that he thought was important.
36:18The president used his platform to do that.
36:20And that player was blackballed.
36:22He was exiled from the NFL and, by the way, was able to settle with the NFL for his collusion
36:27case because of that.
36:29That's why he didn't get another job.
36:31Look, I'm not a footballer.
36:31That's why I let Jamal handle that.
36:33No, it's not true at all.
36:34Jackson North is a rising star.
36:36There's a lot of stinky football players who still have contracts.
36:39The NFL will take people who are guilty of serious crimes and put them on the field on Sunday if
36:44they think they can help them win.
36:45If they thought Colin Kaepernick could help them win, they would put them on the field.
36:47Well, I'll tell you what the NFL doesn't do.
36:49The NFL doesn't typically settle collusion cases.
36:52They settled his.
36:52And why?
36:53Because the depositions, Donald Trump made a call to Jerry Jones, the owner of the Cowboys,
36:59and told him that this is a winning issue for me, Colin Kaepernick.
37:03Basically, he put the code red on why he doesn't have a job.
37:06And that's why Colin won the case.
37:08Colin Kaepernick wasn't playing through Jerry Jones.
37:12Let me play this.
37:13This is what Joy Behar from The View said, which kind of underscores a little bit of what Deja was
37:18saying
37:18and what Jamel was saying about the politics of doing this in a state like New York.
37:23Listen.
37:24For somebody to back a guy like Trump, whose history in discrimination and racism goes back to housing discrimination.
37:32In the 70s.
37:33In the 70s.
37:34DEI attacks.
37:36And posting pictures of the Obamas as apes.
37:40When he's on a team that's 55% to 60% of the NFL is that much percentage of black
37:48people.
37:48Blacker.
37:49That that is just the definition of stupidity and racist, in my opinion.
37:55So there's a difference between what he can do, what he's allowed to do, and what might be the right
38:00thing to do.
38:01He's the quarterback for the New York Giants.
38:04Yeah.
38:05I mean, you said that the NFL would put anybody on the field that could win them a game because
38:09that's their goal.
38:10But, in fact, their goal is actually to sell tickets.
38:12And I think we'll be left to see.
38:14You can say what you want to say.
38:14It's hard to sell tickets if you're losing.
38:15Well, and maybe, you know.
38:18It's just true.
38:18It's reality.
38:19Right, right.
38:21But, you know, I think we're going to see how this plays out in the stadiums and online.
38:26And, in fact, the discourse I've seen online is largely people saying that this was embarrassing and just an unforced
38:33error.
38:33And I would disagree about the media part.
38:36Well, yeah, because I would say I would disagree about the media part because I think the media actually has
38:41come harder at Abdul Carter than Jackson.
38:43Yes.
38:43Oh, yeah, just as we saw in that clip of The View.
38:46Just one show.
38:47Next for us, the panel is going to give us their Nightcaps Impostor Edition.
38:52We'll be right back.
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