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00:00Tonight, the results are in.
00:03We learn the fates of a Trump ally, a Trump snub,
00:06and a Democrat whose past is giving the party trouble.
00:10Plus, the bro-test.
00:13MAGA tries to make masculinity an issue in the midterms.
00:16I mean, this guy, if a stiff breeze came by,
00:19it would blow him over like a feather.
00:21Also, as Donald Trump has said,
00:23an Iran deal is imminent at least 38 times.
00:27One Republican compares him to a cartoon.
00:30We're Charlie Brown, and Iran is Lucy,
00:32and every time we go kick the ball, it's been taken away.
00:35And rain on the birthday party.
00:37Fewer Americans see the U.S. as exceptional,
00:41and only a quarter say the nation stands above others.
00:45Live at the Table, Adam Mockler, Caroline Sunshine,
00:50Sabrina Singh, T.W. Arighi, and L.Z. Granderson.
00:56Americans with different perspectives
00:58aren't talking to each other, but here they do.
01:04This is CNN Breaking News.
01:09Good evening. I'm Abby Phillip in New York.
01:12We're following breaking news tonight
01:13on a number of key primary races across the country
01:16with control of Congress at stake.
01:19One of the most consequential contests
01:21is unfolding in the state of Maine,
01:23where Democrat Graham Plattner
01:24just clinched the state's nomination
01:26for the United States Senate.
01:28That's despite a slew of scandals
01:30that he has faced in the months leading up to tonight's vote.
01:35And to any of those who feel let down or disappointed or disillusioned,
01:39it is my job to earn your trust, faith, and support.
01:45And I will spend every day of this campaign,
01:48and if I have the privilege,
01:50every day in the United States Senate
01:53doing exactly that.
01:56Plattner will face longtime GOP Senator Susan Collins
02:00in a crucial matchup,
02:01and Democrats will almost certainly need to win it
02:04if the party hopes to flip the chamber in the fall.
02:06We're also keeping an eye on South Carolina,
02:08where Republican Senator Lindsey Graham
02:10just punched his ticket for November
02:12without a runoff.
02:14And in the state's GOP primary for governor,
02:17Congresswoman Nancy Mace is admitting defeat
02:19in a race that has tested the power
02:21of President Trump's influence and his endorsement.
02:24Instead, Trump backed Lieutenant Governor Pam Yvette,
02:27and she will advance to the runoff later this month,
02:30along with Attorney General Alan Wilson.
02:32But let's start with Maine
02:36and the Graham Plattner of it all.
02:39He gave a pretty defiant speech tonight.
02:42He attacked Susan Collins.
02:44But basically, he was arguing,
02:46this is a redemption narrative, right?
02:49He quoted a hymn,
02:50I was once lost and now I'm found,
02:53though he admitted that he's not very religious.
02:56Nevertheless, we've heard this
02:57from many a politician before.
02:59Is it enough?
03:01I think it remains to be seen if it's enough.
03:03And what I'm curious on to see
03:04is what do the vote totals look like?
03:06I mean, how much did Janet Mills pull
03:08from Graham Plattner?
03:09Because that's going to be really
03:10a big indicator of how much he's going to have to win
03:13when it comes to Maine voters.
03:15At the end of the day,
03:17I mean, I think Graham Plattner
03:18is a very flawed candidate.
03:19I think if I were a Mainer today,
03:21I would have probably cast my vote for Janet Mills.
03:23I think every moment that we talk
03:25about Graham Plattner and his scandals
03:27or whatever it is,
03:28we're losing time talking about
03:30the issues that matter to voters,
03:31which is, as we know,
03:32affordability and gas prices.
03:34And I think we're taking away from candidates
03:36who are putting competitive seats in play,
03:38like in Iowa, Ohio,
03:40even in Texas in the Senate race,
03:42which I'm sure we'll talk about.
03:43But I think Graham Plattner
03:45is going to have a wave to overcome.
03:48And I don't know if there's more coming out,
03:50but if there is,
03:52you know, he's going to have to brace for that.
03:54There probably is more coming out.
03:56Don't you think, Adam?
03:57There could be,
03:58but we are now witnessing
03:59the post-cancellation,
04:01post-purity style of politics
04:02that the Republican Party has ushered in.
04:04I'm not going to sit here
04:05and defend things Graham Plattner did in his past.
04:07Not even Graham Plattner defends these things
04:09that he did in his past.
04:10But we have watched for a decade
04:12as Republicans have repeatedly lowered the threshold,
04:14lowered the standards for their candidates.
04:16And now Democrats are going to keep holding
04:17our candidates to an infinitely higher standard
04:19while we have Ken Paxton in Texas,
04:21while we have Donald Trump sitting in the Oval Office right now.
04:24And I guess it remains to be seen,
04:26but I also want to reframe...
04:27Is it a high standard or is it a low standard?
04:28Listen, and...
04:29Because I'm not sure that...
04:30I'm not sure that he's being held to a higher standard
04:33than anybody else.
04:34Well, but the Republican Party
04:35is absolutely holding him to a higher standard
04:37than they hold their own candidates.
04:39I mean, Donald Trump had a sit-down dinner
04:41with Nick Fuentes,
04:41and the very same people who were silent about that
04:43are now clutching their pearls
04:45about this admittedly weird tattoo
04:47that Graham Plattner has apologized for.
04:48And it's a Nazi tattoo, Adam.
04:50Yeah, I'm not...
04:51I mean, he's...
04:52Acknowledge that.
04:53Oh, yeah.
04:53It's not weird.
04:54It's a Nazi tattoo.
04:55It's awful, yeah.
04:55So, I mean, look, Democrats now are...
04:59I hear what you're saying,
05:01and I know we've had conversations with you, Caroline,
05:03about similar things,
05:06but basically Democrats are saying
05:08that we're going to go lower.
05:10They go low, we go just as low.
05:12I think that Democrats are trying to reframe this
05:14away from Graham Plattner's personality
05:16and towards a race between Graham Plattner
05:18versus Susan Collins.
05:19Susan Collins is somebody who rubber stamps
05:21all of Donald Trump's worst impulses
05:24from stripping health care away
05:25from tens of millions of Americans
05:26that will lead to death.
05:27We talked about the affordability issues.
05:29We talked about ICE, even.
05:31I mean, Susan Collins rubber-stamped Kristi Noem,
05:34which led to the death of Alex Preddy and Renee Good.
05:36So I'm not going to sit here and judge Maynard
05:38who want to push away, push against the status quo.
05:41It's not my place to judge.
05:42If Graham Plattner can earn their trust,
05:43then he earns their trust.
05:44But I think what's missing in the analysis here
05:46is that Graham Plattner just won a Democrat primary
05:49by running on the best aspects
05:51of President Trump's 2024 campaign platform.
05:54If you look at Graham Plattner's platform,
05:56he ran on no foreign intervention
05:58in the Middle East, no new wars.
06:00He ran on D.C. has been working for the elites
06:03and it has stopped working for the working class,
06:05which is very similar to President Trump's original
06:07drain the swamp message.
06:08He ran on bringing back U.S. manufacturing,
06:10working class issues.
06:11He's an anti-establishment, working class candidate.
06:14That's Bernie Sanders.
06:15That's the Democratic Party.
06:17That's Bernie Sanders.
06:17That's what the guys are missing.
06:19But she is making an important point.
06:20Yeah, he ran on that and that's what he wants.
06:22This is a version of the type of politics,
06:25a type of populism on the left that Trump ran.
06:30At least he ran on it on the right.
06:32I'm not sure we could argue he governed quite that way,
06:35but he ran on it.
06:36My gut tells me it's a byproduct of the wrapping
06:39of the messenger as much as it is the message itself.
06:43He looks like a dude.
06:44Let's just say what it is.
06:45He's got the scruff.
06:47He's got the edge.
06:48At a moment in which Democrats were...
06:50I actually would say that.
06:52I don't think it's that.
06:53Because he's a fraud.
06:53Allow me to finish, though.
06:55Allow me to finish, because it's actually the Democrats
06:57who did this whole autopsy on what it is to be masculine.
06:59Did you guys?
07:00Did you realize that?
07:03It's the Democrats that did this whole analysis
07:06about what it means to be masculine.
07:07They didn't do that because there wasn't a problem there.
07:10They didn't do that because there wasn't something
07:12that was happening on the right that they couldn't tap into.
07:14When I look at Graham Plattner,
07:16the first thing I think of, he looks like a dude.
07:18And he looks like someone who looks very different
07:20than many of the men who lead the Democratic Party,
07:23and I think that is an appealing aspect
07:25that Democrats need to talk about.
07:27And maybe the flaws are part of that package.
07:29No.
07:30You are correct, LZ, with that part.
07:33He looks like a dude.
07:34And when he first entered the race,
07:36and he said, I'm an oyster farmer,
07:38I said, uh-oh, we got problems.
07:41Turns out he's not an oyster farmer.
07:43Turns out he's not a low-class guy.
07:48He isn't what he says he is.
07:50Now, this isn't a reframing about turning this to Susan Collins.
07:53Susan Collins is the Republican every Democrat wishes every Republican was.
07:58No.
07:58She convicted Donald Trump.
08:00Yes, she worked with Joe Biden on a bunch of stuff.
08:02She is as bipartisan as they come.
08:04No, she's not.
08:04She's a bipartisan member of the Senate.
08:06Susan Collins is the Democrat.
08:07That's garbage.
08:08And by the way, come November, just like six years ago,
08:12just like we were seeing garbage polls about Lindsey Graham in South Carolina,
08:15we saw garbage polls about Susan Collins in Maine.
08:17saying, come November, she's going to wipe the floor with him.
08:19Well, here's an interesting rule for you.
08:22And Mainers don't want to be put in a moral laundry of saying not to put that to versus Susan
08:28Collins.
08:28Yeah, but when they learn about his scandals, just to be clear,
08:30when voters learn about Graham Plattner's scandals,
08:34oh, you're going to like this.
08:35Trust me.
08:35Just wait.
08:36You're going to love me saying this.
08:37When voters learn about Graham Plattner's scandals,
08:41he beats Susan Collins.
08:42He goes up in the polls, 48 to 43.
08:45Republicans, I'm telling you,
08:46you got to talk about the fact that he wants to abolish ICE,
08:51which is a position that 70% of Americans do not support.
08:54When you were saying about that, please.
08:54Start talking about the platform that he's talking about.
08:56Yeah, it was President Trump's 2024 platform.
08:58It's not President Trump's platform.
09:00I mean, President Trump ran on affordability.
09:03And they lost the threat.
09:04And no new wars.
09:05And he flipped on all of this.
09:07All of that has completely changed right now
09:10with President Trump in office.
09:11And he's politically paying for it.
09:12And I think to the point of Graham Plattner,
09:13he's not only someone that doesn't look like the establishment,
09:16but you look at the contrast between him and Janet Mills,
09:20someone who is the sitting governor of Maine,
09:22and people want change.
09:23I mean, people are seeing what Donald Trump came in on
09:26and was elected on,
09:27and they're not getting the results that they voted for.
09:29And they look at someone like Graham Plattner,
09:31who I'm not defending,
09:32but I'm saying is offering something different.
09:34Well, he's offering Trump's 2024 original platform.
09:36Which is the winning one.
09:38Everybody should stick to that if they want to win elections.
09:40Well, it's the winning one, because Donald Trump flipped on it.
09:40Great.
09:41Then more times you're going to win.
09:42We're talking about affordability.
09:44We're going to win on that.
09:44We talked about the swamp.
09:45The contrast that we need to make
09:46is between Susan Collins and Graham Plattner.
09:48Janet Mills is done.
09:49So Susan Collins is a definition of a swamp creature.
09:52She promised she would run for two terms.
09:54She's now running for her sixth term
09:55after her net worth has increased by 2,000%.
09:58What did Mark Warner say about that?
09:59What did half the Democrats in the Senate say about that?
10:00She is running for it.
10:01She is the definition of the swamp.
10:03The Senate currently has a 12% approval rating.
10:05So if Maynard's want to gain trust in Graham Plattner,
10:07are you opposed to Mark Warner when he runs for re-election?
10:09I'm talking about Susan Collins versus Graham Plattner.
10:11Well, we have to be consistent.
10:12I also am not going to take this pearl clutching
10:14from Republicans who have zero to say
10:15about Donald Trump having dinner with Nick Fuentes.
10:17I have, yeah.
10:18Have you condemned that?
10:19Yeah, Nick Fuentes stinks.
10:20Have you condemned Donald Trump
10:22for having dinner with Nick Fuentes?
10:23I would not be having dinner with Nick Fuentes.
10:25But this is beyond the point, dude.
10:27I am often critical of Donald Trump.
10:29You have standards down here and we match you
10:31and you say, what the hell?
10:32You have standards down here and we match you.
10:34Okay, so Nazi tattoo is good.
10:36So that's okay now because Donald Trump set the standard.
10:39No, he didn't do that.
10:39No one's defending the Nazi tattoo.
10:40No one's defending the Nazi tattoo.
10:42I know, but where is the standard?
10:44The standard is what you said
10:45when Donald Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes.
10:48Can you condemn dinner?
10:48It's not just a new point,
10:49which is that the voters don't care.
10:51There's a lot of courtesies by the vote.
10:52It would be one of the voters and they don't care.
10:55I want to, there's some other news
10:56that happened tonight in California.
11:00Steve Hilton earned his way onto the ballot
11:02for the general election, a Republican.
11:05And this is happening at the same time
11:06that there's all this talk about rigged elections
11:10in California by Republicans with no evidence whatsoever.
11:13So, I mean, how do you explain this phenomenon,
11:17a Republican now in the runoff?
11:21Because every single Democrat in that primary
11:23was asked a question on the debate stage,
11:26and I call it the Kamala Harris test,
11:27which they all failed,
11:29which is they were all asked the question,
11:30Gavin Newsom, how has he handled homelessness in the state?
11:33What grade would you give him?
11:34And they all go, well, I think I'd give him an A.
11:37Well, I think I'd give him a B.
11:38Which, if you ask anybody in the state of California,
11:41homelessness has become
11:42an international embarrassment to that state.
11:44I mean, when I go overseas and people hear I'm from California,
11:47they go, you guys have a lot of homelessness there, right?
11:49I'm like, oh my God, I'm in Asia,
11:51and you've heard of this.
11:52I don't understand.
11:53So a Republican was able to make it in
11:55because there's a lot of disaffected voters in California
11:58that feel that the state has been in decline
12:00for the last decade,
12:01and he ran moderate enough that he got in.
12:04Totally. No voter fraud, though.
12:06Right?
12:07The voter fraud was never really a real thing.
12:10I think what we're witnessing in California
12:12is a frustration with the homelessness,
12:14though, you know, being shocked.
12:16It's abysmal. It's embarrassing.
12:17It's inhumane.
12:17Well, yes, all over the country, honestly,
12:20not just California.
12:21Largest state, highest homeless spot.
12:22I'm from L.A.
12:23I'm from L.A.
12:24I was just there a terrorist ago.
12:25I saw it, too.
12:25I lived in L.A., I worked for L.A.
12:26times. I lived downtown.
12:27I lived around the corner
12:29from where the homelessness is at the epicenter.
12:31So I know it very well.
12:32I don't need a lecture about it.
12:34But what I will say is I've also experienced it in Chicago.
12:38I've experienced it in a small town like Kalamazoo, Michigan.
12:40I've experienced it all over New York.
12:42I've experienced it in Phoenix.
12:44It's everywhere.
12:45So until we get the attitude
12:46that homelessness is an epidemic all over the country
12:48and not California's problem,
12:50we're not going to solve it.
12:51Now, when it comes to Mr. Hilton,
12:53I think the thing that makes him intriguing
12:54is the fact that he doesn't just talk about solving the problem.
12:57Because he has his business background,
13:00there's a belief that he'll know
13:01how to actually solve the problem
13:03and not just talk about solving the problem.
13:05I think that's what the outcome of the primary shows,
13:07his business background.
13:09I think no matter what happens,
13:11like even though he has emerged as, you know,
13:13the person that is going to face Javier Becerra in November,
13:17California has not voted for a Republican in 20 years.
13:20I mean, since Arnold Schwarzenegger,
13:22I think Californians are going to rally around Becerra.
13:25It was a very tough primary for Democrats.
13:28And I think you're going to see that in November
13:31we will be saying Governor Becerra.
13:33It's interesting because, I mean,
13:34this is perhaps one of the ripest moments
13:37for a Republican or a center-right candidate
13:41to run in California.
13:42And it strikes me that Hilton, he's in the runoff
13:45and probably helped by an incredibly fractured Democratic field.
13:49But Spencer Pratt in L.A.,
13:53maybe the biggest problem
13:55is that they have latched themselves to Donald Trump,
13:58who is, despite all the flaws of California,
14:01a very toxic figure in the state.
14:03Well, what you see with Steve Hilton right now,
14:05especially separating from Donald Trump
14:08on voter fraud allegations,
14:09he's trying to pivot even more to the center.
14:11All politics is local,
14:12especially at a statewide election.
14:15And in California,
14:16regardless of where you are on the political spectrum,
14:18whether it's homelessness or a number of other issues,
14:20we've heard Democrats on this network tonight
14:22just talk about the litany of problems California has.
14:24People are upset with the people in power.
14:27And especially when you're running for governor,
14:28it should be state-focused, state-focused, state-focused,
14:31local, local, local.
14:32If Steve Hilton can keep pivoting that way,
14:34hopefully he can grow that vote share.
14:36It's going to be really hard.
14:37Spencer Pratt,
14:39a lot of people who did vote for him
14:40who weren't traditional Republicans
14:42said it was because he had creative ideas for homelessness,
14:45for fire prevention, for rebuilding, etc.
14:48But it wasn't enough because it's L.A.
14:50But the election, this California election,
14:52wasn't an indictment of President Trump's political rant.
14:54It was an indictment of Gavin Newsom's political rant
14:56because he has run the state.
14:57He's the incumbent governor.
14:58If people felt that the state was going in the right direction,
15:01that he had done a great job,
15:03Steve Hilton wouldn't have made it in the top two.
15:05So for a guy who wants to run in 2028,
15:07FYI, your political brand is a lot more toxic than you think.
15:10You started the argument saying one specific issue
15:12was about homelessness, which I agree with.
15:14I think his conversation about homelessness
15:15is a big question mark.
15:16But I think overall there's a lot of joy.
15:18Well, even Barack Obama said that Gavin Newsom
15:20did a terrible job on homelessness.
15:22Yes, and I've already conceded homelessness's point to you.
15:25But also, I do know that California
15:26has one of the highest economies on the planet.
15:29And highest cost of living.
15:30And so in order to have one of the highest economies
15:32on the planet, you can't be a complete F-up.
15:34So I think Gavin Newsom deserves some credit
15:36about what he's been doing during his tenure as well.
15:38Well, and I think the top two would look different
15:39if that were true.
15:40Next for us, the bro factor.
15:42MAGA tries to use masculinity as an issue
15:45in the midterms, including in this new AI-generated ad
15:49that puts a Democratic candidate in a dress.
15:52Plus, more breaking news tonight.
15:54The U.S. has launched retaliatory strikes against Iran
15:57after it downed a helicopter.
15:59This comes as Republicans compare Trump
16:02to Charlie Brown in this war.
16:14Tonight, with the midterms approaching,
16:16Republicans are targeting Texas Senate hopeful
16:19James Tallarico, a Democrat with a barrage
16:21of attacks on his masculinity.
16:23A new AI-generated political ad
16:25from an outside Republican group
16:27reporting to show Tallarico wearing a dress
16:30is only the latest in a slew of personal insults
16:33intended to portray him as weak.
16:35Watch this.
16:36Boys in white dresses with blue satin sashes.
16:40Girls dust with hormones till they grow mustaches.
16:43Changing the gender of all your offspring.
16:47These are a few of my favorite things.
16:52In many cases, the attacks are homophobic, transphobic,
16:56and rely on easily disproven cases.
16:59Others are based on parts of Tallarico's own comments.
17:02But the truth doesn't appear to be the point of any of this.
17:07I've got to say, if you were making a list
17:10of a thousand adjectives to describe this guy,
17:14masculine would not be one of them.
17:16I mean, this guy, if a stiff breeze came by,
17:18it would blow him over like a feather.
17:20to nominate their first transgender Senate candidate who's clearly transitioning into a female.
17:25You know, when Tallarico goes in for a blood test, when he gets a physical,
17:29blood doesn't come out.
17:30Instead, soy milk comes out.
17:32Did you know that he looks prepubescent?
17:36These are the notes you took?
17:37Did you know that he looks like the guy that leaves an apple on the teacher's desk?
17:43He's also 37 and not married.
17:46The candidate that believes in six genders,
17:48and he takes hits at Jesus Christ,
17:51and he's wearing a mask six months ago.
17:54And he's a vegan.
17:55He's a vegan in Texas.
17:59So, LZ, you were just talking about the problems that Democrats have with masculinity
18:04and how they're portrayed.
18:06I mean, do you think that that's why Republicans are going down this route,
18:10and will it work?
18:11Well, absolutely, this is why they're going down this path.
18:13It's just the messengers.
18:15I'm just kidding.
18:16It's just...
18:18Ted Cruz.
18:20Ted Cruz?
18:21Talking about masculinity?
18:24I mean, I'm gay, right?
18:27If you talk smack about my husband, you probably got some issues with me,
18:31and I'm not going to be easy about it.
18:33He rolled over pretty easy, you know, politically speaking.
18:37And I'm just like...
18:38When Trump attacked his wife.
18:38When Trump attacked his wife, and he attacked his family,
18:40and attacked his character, and there he is, still right there.
18:44And so I'm looking at him.
18:46My definition of masculinity has a lot to do with what's on the inside.
18:51Integrity, things like honesty, civic duty,
18:56a sense of something greater than yourself, a provider.
18:59Not fleeing Texas to go to the Four Seasons King.
19:01Not leaving your dog behind as you do that.
19:04And then blaming your teenage daughter.
19:06So, you know, when I think about masculinity,
19:08I think, you know, try not to cheat on your wife.
19:11And if you do, you apologize, and not cheat on your wife.
19:14And if you do, apologize, and not...
19:15You know, so those are the things that I consider masculine as a gay person.
19:19But as I said, I'm gay, so maybe I don't know.
19:21Maybe masculine means something else.
19:23I...
19:23Any of the straight guys at the table.
19:26Yeah.
19:26Well, no, I agree.
19:27My definition of masculinity definitely precludes people
19:30who shill for somebody that offended their wife, as you said.
19:33It definitely precludes people who dipped out of their own state
19:36in order to avoid a natural disaster.
19:39Definitely precludes people who cheat on their wife with a porn star,
19:42or cheat on their wife overall, like Ken Paxton.
19:44I think you hit the nail on the head.
19:45It's honesty, it's civic duty, it's the ability to be genuine
19:49and to care about those around you.
19:51Masculinity isn't sending endless dollars overseas
19:53while refusing to take care of the people that voted for you.
19:56That's to Ted Cruz and to Donald Trump.
19:57And one more thing, these AI ads need to be banned.
20:01I think that, like, AI is the best thing to happen to the Republican Party
20:04because they now can create fake information
20:06to substantiate the fake information that they spew.
20:08They're hilarious, and they're very effective with voting.
20:10Well, I think you're onto something on the AI ads.
20:14It's not censorship.
20:14I think these types of ads, in particular,
20:17Republicans have to be really careful
20:18because they will backfire,
20:20and Democrats can do the same thing to Republicans,
20:22and I think there has to be some type of regulation
20:24when it comes to something like this.
20:26I mean, that is clearly false, and, you know, propaganda.
20:29But here's the thing.
20:30It's not hard to tell that it's AI.
20:32Well, I tell that to my, like, old great-grandpa or whatever.
20:35It's hard.
20:36It's obviously...
20:38You know that, but, like, is it obvious to the African person?
20:41But I just say, I agree that I just don't know how effective they are
20:45because the idea, you know, we were told that Spencer Pratt
20:48was going to win the L.A. mayor's race off a couple of AI videos,
20:51and that turned out to not be true.
20:51I say, Democrats don't have to create the AI videos
20:53because we can just say, look at Ken Paxson, who cheated on his wife.
20:55Well, you know what's great about those ads
20:57is it puts political consultants on both sides of the aisle out of business.
21:00The amount of money that political consultants
21:02who are establishment and horrible at their jobs in this country
21:05make off of making basic TV political ads
21:07when the average American can now just go be far more creative
21:10and make something off of AI is phenomenal,
21:12and anybody saying otherwise is just not cut out for the future.
21:14Is there a threshold for the likeness that you can use of somebody?
21:16Can you just completely distort them?
21:18Well, there's no...
21:18It's Wild West right now, but those are great ads.
21:20No, but here's the bigger...
21:21I have a feeling political consultants are not going...
21:24Yeah, I...
21:25I hope they do.
21:26I do want to just make a...
21:27Just to make a bigger point.
21:28You know, this idea of attacking people's masculinity,
21:31this is also part of the Trump era.
21:34I mean, he's been since 2016 doing this
21:38with his political opponents, including many Republicans.
21:41Listen.
21:43When little Marco spews his crap about the size of my hands,
21:47which are big, the size of my hand...
21:50So I looked at him, I said,
21:52Marco...
21:56No, I just wanted to set...
21:57Look at that.
21:58Those hands can hit a golf ball 285 yards.
22:03Little Marco...
22:04See, Minnie Mike just got out,
22:05and he's going to, you know, try and save face
22:09by putting some money into Biden's campaign.
22:12Minnie Mike...
22:13Little Ben Sasse...
22:15Little Pencil Neck Adam Schiff.
22:18He is not a long ball hitter.
22:20People like him a lot,
22:22and he's against tampon jib.
22:27It's actually a little bit related
22:29to what we were talking about in the last segment,
22:31which is so much of the political culture right now
22:35is an offshoot of Trump.
22:37It's an offshoot of what he created
22:39in this political atmosphere,
22:40and it's not about issues anymore.
22:43It's about these kinds of smears of people.
22:46Yeah, and look,
22:47Donald Trump has been in the public eye for 40 years
22:50building a brand for himself
22:51before he even ran for president.
22:53He became famous for You're Fired.
22:55He became famous for quotes in tabloids
22:59in the New York Post about his dating life.
23:01He was crass, he was brash, he was vulgar,
23:04he was a billionaire, he flew high,
23:06and people knew him as that.
23:08He is a one-of-one that cannot be replicated,
23:10and when other people try to be the same as him,
23:12they fail.
23:13Oh, yeah, not for nothing?
23:14Even if you hate Donald Trump,
23:17he's still funny,
23:18and his comedic timing is really good.
23:20Is he mean sometimes?
23:21Yes.
23:22Does he say horrible things sometimes?
23:24Of course, but he still is funny,
23:25and that's why people are drawn to him.
23:27James Tallarico, is he Rambo?
23:29No, of course not.
23:30Did the Democrats lose a lot of ground
23:32with a lot of young men across the country
23:34in the last election?
23:35Yes, they alienated the barstool game.
23:37They alienated all sorts of different segments
23:39of the male audience
23:41because, as Rahm Emanuel said,
23:43they were woke and weak.
23:44But I think it's bigger than masculinity,
23:46and I agree with a lot of what you said
23:48about what masculinity is,
23:49and I agree with you on that, LZ.
23:51But I would go beyond it.
23:52It's normalcy and it's authenticity.
23:55Neither would Calarico have.
23:57People, yeah, true.
23:58I disagree with that.
23:59But hold on.
23:59But at least in Texas,
24:00he is not probably what you would call
24:02the average male voter.
24:02Oh, anywhere, not just Texas.
24:04But be that what it may,
24:06the problem is there's not enough normalcy
24:08in our politics.
24:10There's not enough people who are like,
24:11I like this guy.
24:12He seems normal to me.
24:13He likes the same things I like.
24:14We could sit down, talk,
24:16have a few beers,
24:17and have a few laughs.
24:18But why aren't there more normal people
24:20in politics?
24:20Because what normal person
24:21with functioning brain cells
24:22would want to enter this political climate?
24:24It's really hard.
24:24I actually think Calarico
24:25is reaching across.
24:26I mean, that's why he was able
24:28to be successful in that Senate primary
24:31is because he was able to reach
24:33Republicans and independents,
24:34or just across voters.
24:36But hold on just a sec.
24:37I think that if Republicans choose
24:39to make this race
24:40about masculinity
24:41and don't focus
24:42on the issues that matter,
24:44like your energy prices,
24:46your gas prices,
24:47your grocery prices,
24:49I think Calarico
24:50and someone like Gina Hinoza
24:52have a real path to victory,
24:53not just in Texas,
24:54but other candidates in Iowa
24:56or Ohio or wherever in this country
24:58because we're actually talking
25:00about the issues that matter
25:00and people want someone
25:02to deliver for that.
25:03And Democrats are running
25:04on those issues.
25:05The Democrat Party
25:05got it so wrong in Texas.
25:07You guys had a hilarious black woman.
25:09and for the party
25:10that lectures everybody
25:11about racism,
25:12you guys pushed her aside
25:14so you could have
25:15a soy boy white guy
25:16who was created in a lab
25:17and looks like what
25:18political consultants
25:19think a regular wife
25:20looks like.
25:21No one pushed her aside.
25:22By the way,
25:23he thinks there's six genders.
25:25Can you say six genders?
25:26How many genders
25:27do you think there are?
25:28How many genders are there?
25:29First of all,
25:29I would like to say
25:29I just want to know
25:30what the DNC autopsy report
25:31that I've never seen says.
25:32Representative Crockett
25:33is more than just a funny person.
25:35Oh, she should have been your pick.
25:37She was authentic,
25:38she had charisma,
25:39and she would have beaten
25:41whoever the Republicans put up.
25:42But we got it right
25:43and you guys got it wrong.
25:45How did you get it right
25:45with someone that's been indicted
25:47by their house and you guys picked
25:49How did you get it right
25:50by someone that's been invited
25:51by someone that's been invited
25:51by their house and you guys
25:53This is what I would say
25:55to you in regards to Texas.
25:57Based upon my reporting,
25:58based upon having lived there,
26:00I think the reasons why
26:01Tadlerico will have a difficult time
26:04has nothing to do
26:05with the perception of masculinity,
26:06though I think it plays
26:07in the east side of the state.
26:08I just think it's six genders
26:08and that you think
26:09supporters should be welcome.
26:10I don't think that's it.
26:10Not in a state that elected
26:11an openly gay person in Houston
26:13and an openly gay person
26:13currently in San Antonio
26:14is Austin that has more gay people
26:16than any other state
26:17or any other major city
26:19outside of Chicago, L.A.,
26:21and, of course, New York.
26:22So listen, so in terms of identity
26:26and trying to pick on someone
26:28for being queer,
26:29I don't know how that's going to play.
26:30I think the issues
26:31with Democrats in Texas
26:33has been for the last two decades
26:35are two reasons.
26:36One, the conversation
26:37about green energy
26:38and clean energy
26:40and how that impacts
26:40the oil industry
26:41because a lot of people of color
26:42get good jobs
26:44working in the oil industry
26:45and that's one of the reasons
26:46why they tend to vote Republican
26:47and also, two,
26:49the immigration conversation.
26:50Democrats do not handle that well
26:52because they tend to quote
26:53Washington, D.C.
26:54as opposed to talk
26:55like they live in Texas.
26:56If you talk like you live
26:57in the Southwest,
26:58you have a better shot
26:59in the Southwest.
27:00But when I look at
27:01Tallarico's website,
27:02I still see D.C.
27:03I think those are the reasons
27:04why you'll have a tough time.
27:06It has nothing to do
27:06with them being masculine
27:07or not masculine.
27:08We're going to leave it there.
27:09Next for us,
27:10breaking news tonight,
27:11new strikes in Iran.
27:12As the U.S. retaliates
27:13for the downed Apache helicopter,
27:16it comes as a Republican
27:17compares Trump
27:18to Charlie Brown
27:19in this war.
27:20That's next.
27:24The White House said
27:25we obliterated
27:26what was left
27:27of the nuclear program
27:27that didn't exist
27:28to begin with.
27:29And anybody that said otherwise
27:30was fake news.
27:30And that's still
27:31on the White House's website
27:31as of today.
27:32Yeah.
27:33So there were other places
27:35that we're supposed to know about.
27:35and keep more of our men
27:36and women out of arms away, right?
27:37Well, unfortunately,
27:38we can't do that
27:39because that is still underground.
27:40It could be recovered.
27:41The only way to get
27:45the enriched uranium
27:47is to put boots on the ground.
27:49Yes.
27:49And so what is being negotiated
27:51right now
27:51is not even a deal
27:53of a nuclear framework.
27:54It's a deal to get a deal.
27:56It's to open
27:57the Strait of Hormuz
27:58to start allowing
27:59some of those tankers
28:00to come out.
28:01And all of this,
28:02while this is happening,
28:03and we were talking
28:03about this earlier,
28:05this is a very active war zone.
28:07I think what's getting lost here
28:09is the fact that Iran
28:10used a couple thousand,
28:12I mean,
28:13a $20,000 drone
28:14to shoot down
28:15a multi-million dollar aircraft
28:17shows that not only
28:18do they have control
28:19over the Strait,
28:20but they retain
28:23very strong capabilities,
28:25not just in the Strait,
28:26but I think across the country.
28:28And so I think
28:29to Abby's point earlier
28:31of like,
28:31are we closer to a deal?
28:33It's like,
28:33I think there's hope
28:34that we're always closer
28:35to a deal,
28:35but to have that come to fruition,
28:38I mean,
28:38the JCPOA took 18 months
28:40to get there.
28:41I mean,
28:41Americans would not be,
28:43you know,
28:44faulted for thinking
28:45they're being strung along here.
28:47Right.
28:47J.D. Vance,
28:48I was asked about this by CBS.
28:50Here's his response.
28:53You say very close.
28:54How soon?
28:55Could the deal happen
28:56before the midterm elections?
28:57Oh, absolutely.
28:58No,
28:59I think we're going to know
28:59a lot before the midterm elections.
29:01Look,
29:01I think the deal could happen
29:03in the next week,
29:05but the deal could also happen
29:06months from now.
29:07Are the Iranians
29:08stringing President Trump
29:09along in your view?
29:10No,
29:10I don't think so.
29:11Again,
29:11I think their system
29:12takes a long time
29:13to reach consensus.
29:14I always hear people ask me,
29:15do you trust the Iranians?
29:17And what the president has said is,
29:19I don't trust anybody.
29:20I don't trust anybody.
29:21What I do trust
29:22is my own ability
29:24to negotiate.
29:25I trust our administration's
29:27ability to negotiate.
29:28And I trust the enforcement provisions
29:30that we're going to get in place.
29:33Could be next week.
29:35Could be months from now.
29:36I mean,
29:37it seems like they don't really
29:39have any idea
29:40how long this is going to take,
29:41in part because they have
29:43underestimated the timeline
29:44from the very beginning.
29:46Yeah,
29:46Trump is definitely in over his head.
29:48This four to six week timeline
29:49is now over 100 days,
29:51and we've had all of the costs
29:52of this with none of the benefits.
29:54We've gotten zero political
29:55concessions on the nuclear question,
29:57on IRGC,
29:58on the regime change question.
30:00We have made no progress on that
30:01while spending over $100 billion.
30:04Americans are struggling
30:05with high gas prices
30:06with the economy,
30:07and yet we are being lied to
30:08on TV by people
30:09who are saying
30:10this war is almost over.
30:12Every time we go to war
30:13with a country
30:14that starts with IRA,
30:15it ends up in a disaster
30:16where we make very little progress.
30:18We hit a grinding
30:19counterinsurgency,
30:20and now Iran
30:21seems to be waging
30:22asymmetric warfare
30:23in the form of
30:23the Strait of Hormuz.
30:24Donald Trump was promised
30:25that this would go like Venezuela,
30:26where if you chop off the head,
30:27the rest of the body
30:28falls in line.
30:29It did not work like that.
30:30The IRGC is different.
30:31Well, that didn't happen
30:32in Venezuela either.
30:33Well, he was pitched that it would work.
30:34I mean, Delcey's still a continuation
30:35of the Maduro apparatus.
30:36The regime didn't change
30:38in Venezuela,
30:38but at least he was able
30:39to get out of it cleanly
30:40after Maduro was captured.
30:42In this case,
30:42it's very different.
30:43It was a strategic,
30:44targeted operation
30:45versus this was a,
30:47I mean,
30:48very,
30:49I think it's really hard.
30:50He was sold on the idea
30:53that he would be able
30:53to topple the regime
30:54very quickly
30:55and that the people of Iran
30:56would rally around
30:58the United States
30:58and they would take back
30:59their government
31:00as he said,
31:01you know,
31:01on February 28th
31:02when he gave that press conference
31:03and the reality is
31:04is that Iran's playbook
31:06is to run down the clock.
31:08It's to continue
31:08to string this out.
31:09It is in their interest.
31:10All right,
31:10let's hit pause here.
31:12We'll take a quick break
31:13and come back
31:13on the other side
31:14and you can respond,
31:15TW.
31:16We'll be right back.
31:27Just over 100 days
31:28of this war with Iran
31:29and the American people
31:31oppose it.
31:32And Caroline,
31:32you're a MAGA Republican
31:34but you oppose it too,
31:35which I think might surprise
31:37a lot of people.
31:38A Reuters poll just found
31:4056% of Republicans
31:42say that the war is worth it.
31:45that's low
31:46considering that Trump
31:47has, you know,
31:4980%, 85% support
31:51among Republicans.
31:52What does that tell you?
31:52Well, it tells me
31:53what I've known
31:54from the polling
31:54from the very beginning,
31:55which was they said,
31:57oh, all of MAGA supports this
31:59and then there were polls
31:59that broke down
32:00and said non-MAGA.
32:01Well, let me explain
32:02what non-MAGA is.
32:04It used to be
32:04in the Republican Party
32:05you had two wings.
32:06You had the MAGA wing
32:07and then the non-MAGA wing,
32:08which was like
32:09the establishment Republicans
32:10that Trump had overtaken.
32:11So these were the neocons.
32:12These were people
32:13who were very supportive
32:14of the actions
32:15that the Trump administration
32:16is taking right now.
32:18Non-MAGA now means
32:19people who have left MAGA,
32:21who have left the MAGA movement
32:22because they don't feel
32:24like this war is fulfilling
32:25the promise
32:25that the president said
32:26at his second inaugural address,
32:28which is that
32:28we will not just be judged
32:29by the battles that we win
32:30and the wars that we end,
32:31but also perhaps
32:32by the wars that we never start.
32:33So I too am glad
32:35that our pilots are safe.
32:38I have a lot of questions
32:38about our KC-135s
32:40that went down
32:41for the first time
32:41in American combat.
32:42I have a lot of questions
32:43about our F-15 pilots
32:44who went down over Iran
32:45who we've still never met.
32:46We've had the astronauts
32:47at the White House.
32:47We've never heard
32:48from our F-15 pilots.
32:50It's time for us to go home.
32:51We don't need to wait for a deal.
32:53The president can have
32:53a huge political rebound
32:55by just leaving.
32:56And by the way,
32:57it's also affecting
32:58not just how the Republican Party
32:59views President Trump,
33:00but how our country
33:01is viewed on the world stage.
33:02I was just in Istanbul, Turkey,
33:04which is a NATO ally
33:05that shares a border with Iran.
33:06And I just ask people
33:07because I'm an American
33:08and I haven't talked to people
33:09abroad about how they view
33:11our country.
33:11And I said,
33:11does this war make you
33:13respect America more or less
33:15as a global force for good?
33:16And every single person
33:18I talked to sincerely said no.
33:20They said,
33:20you've killed 165 schoolchildren.
33:23This isn't bringing us
33:23closer to peace.
33:25This doesn't help us view
33:26America in a better light.
33:27And so it's time to go,
33:28it's time to come home.
33:29T.W.?
33:32I support the idea
33:35of preventing Iran,
33:37the greatest global sponsor
33:38of terrorism,
33:39from getting a nuclear weapon.
33:40I think our men and women
33:41in uniform have performed valiantly
33:44and they did a tremendous job
33:46in the early days
33:47of this campaign in Iran.
33:50And I don't believe
33:51the commander-in-chief,
33:52any commander-in-chief,
33:53Democrat or Republican,
33:54has the luxury
33:56of looking at political polls
33:58before they do something
33:59to defend our country.
34:01We saw that,
34:02we've seen that over the decades,
34:03wars weren't popular,
34:05they became popular
34:05and we were successful.
34:07They're privy to intelligence
34:08that we aren't.
34:10And Sabrina,
34:10to your point
34:11that you brought up earlier,
34:12when you brought up earlier,
34:13when you said that
34:15a cheap drone
34:16shooting down an expensive plane,
34:19I understand that
34:20that is a massive problem
34:21and unsustainable
34:22in the long term.
34:23But I think it misses
34:25the bigger point, too,
34:26that our military
34:27has a lot of capacity as well.
34:29And we're also inflicting
34:30a lot of military pain,
34:31economic pain on Iran.
34:33So I want to see it end quickly,
34:35obviously,
34:36but I think the goal
34:37of making sure
34:37they don't get a nuclear weapon
34:38and we can, you know...
34:40The polls are downstream
34:40from Trump's decision-making,
34:42which I think is really
34:43what people are questioning.
34:45It's not that Trump
34:47should be reacting to the polls,
34:48but I think people are upset
34:50that he seemingly walked into a war
34:54without understanding
34:55the consequences.
34:56not just for the United States,
34:58but for the whole globe,
35:00for the region,
35:00for our strategic interests
35:02in the region.
35:03I think it was...
35:04I mean, this was a war
35:06that he walked into
35:07because it was a war of choice.
35:08I mean, he made this decision.
35:10He did not lay out the case
35:11to the American public,
35:13and he could have.
35:14I mean, he could have...
35:14Before he went to war
35:15on February 28th,
35:16he could have used
35:17the State of the Union
35:18to explain to the people
35:20why we need to do this,
35:21why we need to do it right now,
35:23and the imminent, quote,
35:24imminent threat
35:25that Iran posed
35:26to the American public.
35:27And to your point,
35:29last year, around this time,
35:31you know, we were talking about
35:32how Operation Midnight Hammer
35:34obliterated Iran's nuclear program.
35:36So if we obliterated
35:38Iran's nuclear program,
35:39why are we going to war with Iran?
35:41And now, we are...
35:44I mean, we have been talking about
35:46how long this war has dragged out for.
35:47How many more hundreds of days
35:49are we going to be sitting here?
35:50I mean, J.D. Vance says
35:51it's going to wrap up any day
35:53to maybe a few months from now.
35:55I mean, I think we can all agree
35:56we've blown past the timeline
35:58that this administration
35:59set for itself.
35:59Yeah, I want to just make
36:00one more point on that.
36:02You are totally right.
36:03This should have been sold
36:04a lot better.
36:05There should have been
36:06a larger lead-up to it.
36:07I completely am with you.
36:09But I also don't think
36:10J.D. Vance is wrong
36:11with the last bit
36:12of what he said.
36:13He said it takes a long time
36:14to get the communications going.
36:16Why?
36:17Because we took out
36:18their first and second string.
36:19They replaced one Ayatollah
36:21with a younger version
36:22who is a religious woman.
36:23And we don't know where he is.
36:24So the question is,
36:25none of us at this table
36:26are aware of who the decision makers are
36:28and the people in the White House are.
36:29But these are just strategic decisions.
36:30You could call them decisions.
36:31I agree.
36:32You could call them mistakes
36:33that were made in this conflict.
36:35It has not worked out well for us
36:38that we decided to take out
36:41all the people
36:41that we thought we could talk to.
36:43That hasn't worked out well.
36:45Well, we'll see how it ends.
36:45The reason why
36:45a president's temperament
36:47is so important.
36:48You know, in the first term,
36:49it was very obvious
36:50that a lot of the moves
36:51that he was making early on
36:53was about Obama
36:54and doing things
36:55that were anti-Obama
36:56and the deal with Iran
36:57was one of those things.
36:58And I'm not quite sure
37:00if he had a proper vetting
37:01of all the ramifications
37:03when he decided
37:04to rip up the deal,
37:05but he knew he had
37:06Obama's name on it
37:07and that was good enough.
37:07I think we're seeing
37:09the fact that he tends
37:11to make decisions
37:12based upon how he's feeling
37:14in the moment,
37:14which is fine
37:15when you're campaigning,
37:17which might even be fine
37:18when you're endorsing
37:19someone for a primary
37:20and you're not thinking
37:20about the general election,
37:22but it's not fine
37:23when it comes to war.
37:24And the fact that
37:25he's so flimsy with it
37:27and the fact that he talks
37:28about eradicating
37:29a 2,500-year-old civilization,
37:31I mean, it's irresponsible.
37:33And so the temperament
37:34of a president,
37:35you know,
37:36for the next time
37:36we go around,
37:37yes, we want someone
37:38who's strong.
37:39Yes, she wants someone
37:40who's going to fight
37:40for the American people
37:41and all the good things,
37:42but the temperament matters
37:44in these moments.
37:45I actually fully agree
37:46with that and I hope,
37:47actually, that the deal
37:48that comes out of this
37:49at the end of it
37:50does not look like
37:51the Obama deal,
37:52but a lot better.
37:53All right, next for us,
37:54the panel's going to give us
37:55their Nightcaps
37:56Comeback Edition.
37:57We'll be right back.
38:08It's been nearly four years
38:09since Serena Williams
38:10competed in a professional
38:11tennis match
38:12and today the 44-year-old
38:14Williams makes her return
38:16in a doubles match
38:18in London and she won.
38:20So, for tonight's
38:21News Nightcap,
38:22which legend do you think
38:23wouldn't miss a beat
38:24if they returned?
38:25Caroline, you're first.
38:26My queen, Celine Dion,
38:28who my heart will always
38:29go on and on and on for.
38:31Cosine.
38:32Go ahead.
38:33I want to see
38:34former President Barack Obama
38:35run for a third
38:36non-consecutive term.
38:37We're going to see
38:37the Obama-Kennedy Center.
38:38We're going to see
38:39Obama's faces on the buildings
38:40and it's going to be amazing.
38:44I'm a sports fan.
38:45I want to see Aaron Donald
38:46come out of retirement,
38:47play alongside Miles Garrett
38:49for the L.A. Rams.
38:50All right.
38:52I want to see the Spice Girls
38:53come back.
38:53They were my favorite girl group
38:54but they're still the best ones.
38:56so I want to see
38:56the Spice Girls come back.
38:57Is that what you really, really want?
38:58That's what I really want.
39:00Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr.
39:04I want to see him come back
39:05and lead the 2028
39:07Olympic flag football team
39:09for America
39:09added to his six rings.
39:11All right, everybody.
39:11Thank you very much.
39:13Thanks for watching News Night.
39:14Laura Coates Live
39:15starts right now.
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