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00:01Tonight, the fate of the Iran war depends on who you ask.
00:05Conflicting versions emerge of a potential agreement to keep talking,
00:09but leaves out nuclear specifics.
00:11Plus, Elon Musk becomes the world's first trillionaire.
00:16Is this a reason to celebrate or be horrified?
00:19Also, I always say to people, like, show me your phone.
00:24Give me access to your iCloud.
00:26Hunter Biden defends Graham Plattner despite the scandals.
00:30And becomes a liberal symbol for punching back.
00:33And what goes up must come down,
00:36at least when Donald Trump tries skirting the law with name games.
00:41Live from the Food Network, Scott Jennings,
00:44Bakari Sellers, Carrie Champion, and Arthur Idalla
00:48for a special Summer Friday edition of Newsnight.
01:05Happy Friday, everyone.
01:07I'm Abby Phillip for a special edition of Newsnight.
01:09This summer, we are taking the show on some field trips,
01:13spending our Fridays right back here at the Food Network's Test Kitchen in New York,
01:17our sister company.
01:18We have a fabulous chef serving the friends of our show,
01:22and she's got a special treat for us at the end of the night.
01:25But first, of course, some breaking news tonight.
01:28President Trump's name is coming down from the Kennedy Center building.
01:32A judge has rejected the center's last-minute request to freeze a previous judge's ruling
01:37while the court proceedings play out.
01:39The court didn't elaborate on that decision,
01:41and they have until midnight tonight to restore the original name.
01:44Now, you'll remember back in December,
01:47a Trump-approved board of trustees voted to change the name in order to honor him.
01:52CNN Washington correspondent Sondland Sarfati is on the scene.
01:56Sondland, what is happening?
01:58Is there still a crowd out there waiting for this to happen?
02:03Yeah, Abby, it's a rather extraordinary scene outside the Kennedy Center at 10 p.m. on a Friday evening.
02:08What this moment is is really emblematic of the political divide, frankly,
02:12that exists in Washington right now.
02:14As you can see behind me, you have a crew of about 13 people.
02:18They are bar by bar constructing this large scaffolding,
02:25and they're going to build this so that they can reach the words
02:28Donald Trump to remove his name from the Kennedy Center.
02:31And just off-screen here at the angle you can't see fully,
02:34but there are hundreds of people here in D.C. who have come out to witness this moment.
02:40Now, with every foot that they build this scaffolding,
02:42we've heard chants of take it down, take it down.
02:45Clearly, many of the people out here coming today to witness in support of that name coming down.
02:50And there was a last-ditch effort on the part of the Kennedy Center today in the courts
02:55to try to get the name to remain on the building,
02:58but that was denied by a federal judge reinforcing that President Trump's Kennedy Center needed to take the name off
03:06the wall.
03:08And there you see people cheering as the workers are climbing up the scaffolding, again, adding to it.
03:14So, again, the federal judge making sure that the Kennedy Center would take down this name by midnight tonight.
03:21So now it really is a race against the clock.
03:24And notably, Abby, as you know, Washington, just a wild moment that this late on a Friday night,
03:29this many people are out here.
03:31This name on the side of this building has been symbolic for so much.
03:35President Trump's reach in Washington, his attempt at making a stamp and remake cultural institutions like the Kennedy Center.
03:42So we'll be here watching, certainly a significant moment.
03:45Abby?
03:47Wow, what a sign of the time, Sunlin.
03:51We'll be keeping an eye on that scene tonight as we see what happens to those letters.
03:55Just about two hours left before they have to comply with this ruling.
03:59But back here in New York, it is pretty extraordinary.
04:03I had to chuckle because I was reading the court filing by DOJ as they tried to convince the court
04:09to allow them to keep the name up.
04:13And they changed the bylaws of the Kennedy Center to basically say that any money that they received while that
04:21name was up there
04:22was contingent on Donald Trump's name being on the Kennedy Center, which is a living memorial to the former president.
04:28And the court filing says, the reason for this clause is that people and companies who have given or will
04:34be giving millions of dollars to the center
04:36were only willing to do so with the name Trump on the building.
04:39Many did it because they loved the concept of two great presidents, one Republican, one Democrat, working together as one,
04:46in many ways, a bipartisan relationship, exclamation point.
04:50Not sure if Donald Trump has started working in the Justice Department, but yeah, I mean, it's almost comical if
04:58it didn't actually happen.
05:00So can I, I'm going to just be a lawyer for a second.
05:03The reason why this is a great moment in history, what's going on, that his name is coming down,
05:08is that the judiciary has no real power to make sure people do what they say.
05:16So right now, President Trump can say, no, no, no, no, nothing's coming down.
05:20And the judge has nothing, the judge doesn't have an army, the judge doesn't have any power to do anything.
05:26So this is our government actually working, that when the judiciary uses the power of a pen,
05:32nothing more than the power of a pen saying, no, you can't do this, and everyone is following the judge's
05:38order,
05:39that's a great American moment that the government is working, the three branches of government are working the way they're
05:46supposed to.
05:47I actually agree with him, but I also think that when you look at your...
05:51It's okay, you're allowed to, you said it like, holy cow, I actually agree with him, you're allowed to agree
05:57with him.
05:57It's 10.06, I just got started.
06:00I didn't even get a complete sentence out.
06:02I love you.
06:03It was the tone.
06:03It was the tone.
06:04Yes, I agree with you, you're right 3 or 4% of the time.
06:08So what I was, you're not going to agree with this part.
06:11What I was going to say is I believe this is just indicative of what the Trump presidency will be.
06:16You have an individual who has what most people would agree to have a heavy dose of psychopathy
06:23that is rooted in some sense of self that is not necessarily rooted in anything.
06:28So he wants his name on buildings.
06:30He wants his picture on dollar bills.
06:33He wants those type of things.
06:36And when Donald Trump is gone, I do believe that many of the things that he deems to be accomplishments,
06:42those superficial things, without changing the lives for the better of the American people,
06:48will come down and will be erased.
06:50And so this is going to be the first, although this is something that individuals can see,
06:55not just with their mind's eye, but they can literally see with their eyes,
06:58because that name coming down, I think that there's going to be a lot of scrubbing
07:02from the history books of Donald Trump's name, the things that Donald Trump has done,
07:08and the things that won't be expunged are things like impeachment.
07:12You know what, I think it's an important point that this for liberals is sort of like a celebratory moment,
07:19but I think it is emblematic of one of the big problems with this Trump second term.
07:24He is expending a huge amount of energy, self-aggrandizing in the office.
07:31He was elected to lower prices, make people's lives better.
07:36Instead, he's calling into meetings, according to CNN's reporting,
07:40that according to a source, it was like an episode of Veep,
07:44he's calling into meetings at the Kennedy Center to talk to them about this issue,
07:49to attack the judge's wife, who was a former attorney for Joe Biden at one point.
07:56Then the board says, oh, maybe they'll make a resolution to honor Trump
08:02that would recognize his major contributions.
08:04What is all of this about?
08:06I mean, is the entire government supposed to be working to make this one man feel good about himself?
08:12Well, are we upset that the president of the United States took an interest in the Kennedy Center,
08:17took an interest in a building? A lot of people are upset about that, yes.
08:20But why? Why would they be upset about it?
08:22Now, I'll answer my own question, because they've never been able to stand the fact
08:27that Donald Trump won the White House the first time, and especially the second time.
08:31I have an alternative explanation.
08:32They don't want him to be able to exercise any power, large or small.
08:35How about Congress establish the Kennedy Center as a memorial for John F. Kennedy,
08:40and that it is illegal for him to slap his name on it?
08:43That is why people are upset about it.
08:44Look, here's the deal. He took an interest in this.
08:46What about the law, Scott?
08:48Well, what about it? He took an interest in it.
08:50What about it? Who cares? Let me tell you what I see.
08:53We're abiding by the law.
08:54You can't get the government on the phone after 3 o'clock on a Friday,
08:57yet we can build scaffolding to scrape a name off the side of a building.
09:01They build scaffolding to put a name on the side of the building.
09:04This is what the government can do.
09:05And what is it that Democrats do for fun on a Friday night?
09:08These haters stand out on the streets screeching about a name?
09:11Wow. Wow. Haters.
09:11To your point about it is against the law, I want to give a shout-out to Representative Joyce Beattie.
09:17I think that she actually tells the story that when she was on a...
09:22She's a member of the board, and there was a meeting, and she wasn't there,
09:25and she called in virtually, and she...
09:28This was not on the agenda to change the name or add Donald Trump's name to the Kennedy Center,
09:33and she tried to speak up against it.
09:35When she found out about it, she said she was shocked.
09:38They muted her. They wouldn't allow her to talk.
09:40She then actually filed the lawsuit to stop this.
09:43And on May 29th, we now find out that this is when the judge said,
09:46You know what? You're right. Take it down.
09:47And I just want to give her a shout-out for one particular reason.
09:50When they tried to shut her down, she said it wasn't about me.
09:54It was about arts, and it's bigger than this, and it wasn't fair.
09:57And she was the only one that had enough cojones to say...
10:01Right. Chutzpah.
10:02Chutzpah.
10:03Testicular fortitude.
10:05Testicular fortitude. Thank you, friends.
10:07To say, You know what? It's not right.
10:10And someone should do something about it.
10:11She said Donald Trump was on the meeting when she was actually trying to object,
10:16and he was trying to intimidate her with looks, and she still went ahead.
10:19So shout-out to her for saying, Something is wrong.
10:21Let's do something about it.
10:22And it should do something for all of us Americans who feel like we're not happy with what's going on.
10:26So us New Yorkers are not surprised that Donald Trump is putting his name on everything.
10:29I mean, it's just like, it's laughable for us.
10:32I mean, his name is everywhere.
10:33I've gone to a Trump grill, and, Abby, I've never seen this before.
10:37I ordered a hamburger, and on the bun, God bless him.
10:40It was a Trump burger?
10:41And on the bun, they char it with his profile.
10:46So I'm eating President Trump.
10:48Not even the name.
10:49But you know what?
10:50I'm with Scott, too.
10:51Like, you're going to have very little going on in your life on a Friday night.
10:55Unbelievable.
10:55And you're standing in front of the thing, whistling.
10:57I mean, go watch Abby Ferry on CNN.
11:00Do something productive at all times.
11:02I mean, you can argue that that's the case, but these are also American citizens.
11:06Maybe they care about the law.
11:07Maybe they care about what the judge said is the plain text of the law.
11:15Quote, the Kennedy Center's organic statute makes it crystal clear that the center is
11:20to be named for president of Kennedy.
11:22We also acknowledge that for, since its inception, the Kennedy Center has been a place where the
11:31arts have flourished.
11:33Yeah.
11:33It has not been a place of partisan politics.
11:36At all.
11:36Nobody ever said, we're going to go to the Kennedy Center because John F. Kennedy was a great
11:41Democrat.
11:42No one ever says that.
11:43No one ever.
11:43They go to celebrate the arts.
11:44They go to show Melania the movie at the Kennedy Center.
11:48Sure.
11:48That's where we're previewing.
11:49Well, you know, speaking of that, Bakari, you know, the Park Service has also been in
11:54the crosshairs of this administration.
11:56And just tonight, a judge ruled that they have to reinstall signs and exhibits at the national
12:03parks about topics like slavery and climate change.
12:07These are exhibits that had been removed.
12:10Like, for example, in the National Historic Park in Philadelphia that had an exhibit about
12:14slavery, at Fort Sumter in South Carolina that had an exhibit about climate change, at the
12:20Acadia National Park that had an exhibit about indigenous people.
12:23So they're going to have to put it back, according to this judge, at least for now.
12:27What we're seeing in real time, which is good for me, is that you can no longer create your
12:31own narrative.
12:31This administration has a history of doing that and erasure.
12:34And so right now, people are saying, and I don't know, of course, they're going to push
12:37back and they will appeal.
12:38I'll leave it to the attorneys to talk about it.
12:40But I like the idea of someone saying, you can't create your own history in real time.
12:44And when it talks up, when we talk about the Kennedy Center, I have said this on the
12:47show before, him putting his name on that living memorial is like someone else putting
12:51their name on someone else's tombstone.
12:53It is, outside of it being illegal, it's such a level of disrespect and it shows that, would
12:58he want anyone to do that to him?
13:00How, imagine the Donald Trump Center and someone comes on and another president.
13:05The author, I don't like Donald Trump Center.
13:07Correct.
13:07There we go.
13:08I like the sound of that.
13:12Who can forget, by the way, at the great battle of Fort Sumter, when they were all arguing
13:18about the future of climate change and they were just, couldn't, couldn't come to an agreement
13:24over climate change and the cannonball started flying.
13:26I mean, what a joke.
13:27The crazy part, the crazy part about the battle of Fort Sumter off the coast of Charleston,
13:33South Carolina, is what people do remember are that some of the first slaves did come
13:36in.
13:37And so, while you're having this conversation, and I understand the angst about climate
13:41change, but when you have, when you have plaques about indigenous people, you do recognize
13:45Christopher Columbus didn't discover this place, right?
13:48You do understand that America, as great as she is, has her warts, and we have to celebrate
13:52her warts and her successes.
13:54That is what makes this country great.
13:56And so, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, that's the last one.
13:58Yeah, I was going to say.
13:59All right.
13:59Yeah, we can talk about that often.
14:01We'll keep an eye on this as we go along tonight.
14:04But next, the U.S. and Iran are pushing different accounts of a potential agreement to keep talking,
14:09as one conservative host calls Trump a clown for his handling of all of this.
14:14Plus, Elon Musk becomes the world's first trillionaire.
14:17Is that something to celebrate or to condemn?
14:20We'll debate next.
14:32Tonight, the White House is signaling positive developments in its talk with Iran.
14:37It's not a deal to end the war.
14:39Instead, it's an agreement to just keep talking about potentially reaching a deal.
14:44But as for the details of this so-called memorandum of understanding, it depends on who you ask.
14:50A senior administration official tells CNN that Iran has agreed to reopening the Strait
14:54of Hormuz and to end funding terrorist groups.
14:58The official also says that Iran's money won't be released until they comply and that they agreed
15:03to destroy or remove nuclear material and end its nuclear program altogether.
15:07But those terms conflict with what we're hearing from Tehran.
15:11Iran's foreign minister says that any nuclear talks will only happen after the memorandum of
15:16understanding is agreed to.
15:18And state media claims that the agreement includes war reparations and the immediate release of
15:23billions in frozen assets.
15:25Vice President J.D. Vance called that fake news, insisting that there is no funding or cash
15:30that's going to be released to the Iranians by just signing the agreement.
15:34However, Iran's foreign minister does say that the memorandum has never been closer.
15:39So where are we?
15:42You would be just justified in feeling deeply confused at this point.
15:48And also maybe even ambivalent.
15:50Because I do think that this kind of will they or won't they thing is really starting to just
15:57make the public numb about what's happening here in Iran.
16:01I mean, shout out to J.D. Vance.
16:02I mean, for the past four to six weeks, I don't even think we knew he existed.
16:06I mean, J.D. Vance has been somebody in the administration who's been buried and they
16:09trot him out here to tout the war in Iran and to refute the reports that we're all seeing.
16:13I mean, there are reports today that the UAE just gave Iran $3 billion of a promised
16:18$10 billion.
16:20UAE said that's not true.
16:21Actually, OK, all right.
16:23Well, Eric Erickson and many others have stated the simple fact that Barack Obama, to reduce
16:28their stockpile by 98 percent in the JCPOA, Barack Obama and the Obama administration gave
16:33Iran $1.7 billion.
16:35We're now talking about war reparations that are the tens of billions of dollars.
16:40We're now talking about our allies in the Middle East giving Iran funds in the tens of billions
16:46of dollars.
16:47And we were at a point where Donald Trump said there will be no money that is going
16:51to exchange hands and we're going to destroy their nuclear program.
16:55And then he used the big word that it's been obliterated.
16:58I mean, it's been lie after lie after lie after lie.
17:01Let me just make one point, which is that we don't know actually what is in this deal.
17:08But I think one thing that, you know, Scott would probably agree, because this is what the
17:14administration is trying to tell people to combat some of this narrative is that they are going
17:21to release something.
17:22They just are saying that there has to be move movement by the Iran the Iranians to to get
17:30rid of their nuclear stockpile or what have you.
17:31But but but but once here's the point that I want to make is that Iran is way closer to
17:37a nuclear weapon today than they were 10 years ago.
17:41And so the ask from them is going to have to be way more significant than it was for the
17:48nuclear deal that that Trump pulled out of in in order for them to release the funds and
17:53the amount of funds.
17:54I think that the Bakari is pointing out is likely to be much more money than it was under
18:00the JCPOA.
18:01So, first of all, in the UAE piece, UAE said that is absolutely not true.
18:05Number two, you've had the United States government, the Iranian foreign minister and the Pakistani
18:11prime minister, all three saying the same thing today, which is there's going to be a huge
18:15amount of misinformation put out there by people who want to tank this.
18:19And you shouldn't believe it.
18:21And we need to take all of them at their word.
18:23The fact that you have all three of those governments, U.S., Iran and Pakistan, all
18:27saying don't believe misinformation, we're working this out.
18:30And they've all three said we're closer to getting this done than we've ever been.
18:34That is a hopeful vibe.
18:36Now, what does the Iranian state TV have to say to the Iranian people?
18:40That may be one thing.
18:41But all I know is the vibes on this today feel a little different because of the players
18:46that have come to public and said, here's the thing about vibes is that it only gets you
18:50so far.
18:51I just asked you about what the administration is saying.
18:53Oh, they're saying this is a kind of a pay to play situation.
18:57We will give them money if they do what we tell them to do.
19:00So you so that is you have to acknowledge that they have put that on the table.
19:03I mean, nobody's making up that they're going to give the Iranians money.
19:05So here's what I was told today by senior administration officials.
19:08And it's what they've been saying for weeks.
19:10Any sanctions relief only comes if Iran has a demand a demonstrable performance, meaning
19:17they have to meet the objectives of the nuclear material being destroyed, but you can't give
19:23them money up front.
19:23And they won't give them money up front.
19:25I get that.
19:25But they might release the sanctions if they show good faith.
19:27Let me read what Eric Erickson said on his blog.
19:31He said, the president the other day said Iran was playing us.
19:34The only one being played is President Trump.
19:36The state of war exists between Iran and its neighbors.
19:39The ceasefire is a farce the president has turned into a clown.
19:42Trump chose to engage Iran.
19:44It dealt a serious blow.
19:45But instead of dealing a knockout blow, the president ordered Israel to pull its punches.
19:50We have now harmed our relations with our Middle East allies who depend on us for protection.
19:54This situation is now more unstable than before the war began.
19:58And it's all because of a single person who swears he'll get a deal any day now.
20:02The president should be embarrassed and said he'll be mad at everyone except the man in
20:08the mirror.
20:08Michael Jackson.
20:09Yeah.
20:11Michael Jackson.
20:12Yeah.
20:12Look, I look at things at what we know, because what Scott said is true, there's a lot of misinformation.
20:19If bombs stop being dropped for the next two months, if people stop being killed for the
20:24next two months, if the straits are open and my gasoline goes from $5.50 back down to a
20:30normal $4.50, right now for the position that we're in, that's a win.
20:36We know that no one is better at spinning a negative into a positive than Donald Trump.
20:40And he will figure out a way to make chicken salad out of chicken poop, no matter what the
20:45outcome is here.
20:47And he will make it, he'll make it a victory.
20:49He'll have a victory parade.
20:50I don't know.
20:50I think this is one of those few times when the metric, the deliverable is crystal clear.
20:56Everybody knows what it is.
20:58They, first of all, this memorandum of understanding is going to kick the nuclear issue down the
21:03road into the 60-day period.
21:05The deliverable has to be the retrieval of the nuclear material and an end to their nuclear
21:11program.
21:11If he doesn't get that, there's no vibes that's going to cure the situation for him.
21:15Vibes don't matter here.
21:16And I think that we're talking about this at a very high level, and I'll just talk about
21:19it just from a human level.
21:21People at home don't believe it.
21:22This war of choice was supposed to be over for a couple of weeks.
21:25I remember when we wake up in the morning, we find out, I hope everything's okay.
21:29We wake up in the morning, we find out we're at war, and it'll be a few weeks.
21:33It'll be over in a few weeks.
21:34The promises are, people are over the promises.
21:37They're looking at their grocery, they're looking at their grocery list, this new thing called
21:39groceries.
21:40They're looking at gas, and they don't see an end.
21:42And I don't see an end.
21:44And if we can't give them something sturdy, something to hold on to, these people are
21:48the, the American people are going to really revolt in a way, and it's going to fail for
21:53Donald Trump.
21:54Now everyone's talking about whether or not he can get past this, whether or not he can
21:57turn this into chicken salad.
21:59I don't think he can.
22:00I think you talk, we are above the fold here, guys.
22:03Well, it's earlier.
22:04It's earlier.
22:04But people are fed up.
22:05We got some work to be done.
22:06We have a lot of work to be done.
22:07We have a lot of work to be done.
22:09So let's be positive.
22:10And that may well be the case.
22:12But obviously, details matter so much.
22:15Of course.
22:16And look, I mean, there was a deal before.
22:20There was a deal before that got them away from having nuclear weapons.
22:27But Republicans still thought it wasn't good enough.
22:29And I think that Trump is on the verge of losing even some in his own base if the deal
22:33is not sufficiently strong.
22:35I think, I think the one piece of this that concerns me the most is the IRGC in Iran.
22:41I think there are political elements in Iran.
22:43Clearly, they want to make a deal.
22:45But, you know, we have been attacking them.
22:47The IRGC as constituted today, well, if it's still constituted that way next week or in six
22:53weeks, they are still going to be a problem.
22:54So I still think whatever we sign and whatever we do, we have to keep an eye on this.
22:59And we have to allow the Gulf allies and we have to allow Israel to perhaps continue on
23:03that because the IRGC is never, in my opinion, going to conform.
23:07All right.
23:07Next for us, Elon Musk becomes the world's first trillionaire.
23:11As many Americans struggle to get by, is this achievement worth celebrating or condemning?
23:17We'll debate that.
23:26Tonight, call it a million millions or a thousand billions.
23:31Today, Elon Musk broke history becoming the world's first trillionaire as his company SpaceX
23:35went public.
23:37SpaceX celebrated a record IPO trading today, with shares gaining 19%, lifting the company's
23:43market value to over $2 trillion.
23:46Now, Musk could also be compensated up to $7.5 trillion if SpaceX hit certain milestones.
23:53But the full payout depends on the company establishing a colony on Mars with 1 million permanent
23:59inhabitants.
24:00No big deal.
24:02To illustrate what Musk could do and buy with all of that money, here's Jimmy Kimmel.
24:09If you tried to count out loud to a trillion, you would be counting until the year 33,736.
24:16A trillion dollars is $10 billion hundred dollar bills.
24:19If you stack them up, the pile would be almost 700 miles high, as tall as 123 Mount Everest.
24:25With that kind of money, Elon could buy every NFL team, all of them, and he'd still have $773 billion
24:31left, which he could use to buy all 30 Major League Baseball teams, every NBA team, every
24:37Wendy's, every Target store, the Beatles' entire music catalog.
24:40He could buy Nike, Macy's, and every Hyundai Elantra ever produced.
24:45And would still have $260 billion, $50 million left over.
24:52Here's, here's my confession.
24:55A trillion dollars is not a real amount of money.
24:57It's just, it's just a projection.
24:59I mean, of course to you peasants, you've never touched it.
25:01Of value.
25:01It's not real.
25:03It's not real.
25:03Once you get to a trillion, it's very real.
25:05We can't hold a trillion in our hands, okay?
25:06Exactly.
25:07But is it-
25:08I would try.
25:08Is it a moral failure, Carrie, for somebody to call themselves a trillionaire in this
25:15day and age?
25:16I think it's the, here's the irony, he, I was listening to a podcast Elon was on not
25:20too long ago, and he said pretty soon with the, with the advent of robots, there will
25:26be no manual labor.
25:27Pretty much we're going to, money's going to be useless.
25:29We won't even need money because they're going to take over and it'll be cheap labor and
25:33money won't even really, it'll be a cashless currency.
25:35We don't need it in this society, and here he is, right here, the very first trillionaire.
25:40So I was looking like, I wonder what he would do with a trillion dollars, very much like
25:43what Jimmy Kimmel was just doing.
25:45In my mind, what could you solve?
25:47What kind of problems could you solve in our world?
25:49So just humor me for just a few moments.
25:51If you spent a million dollars every single day, it would take you more than 2,700 years
25:58to spend a trillion dollars.
26:00What you could effectively do with a trillion dollars is get rid of global poverty.
26:04You could end world hunger.
26:05You could cure major diseases like malaria.
26:08And you could completely transition the global energy sector to renewables.
26:12The fact that he has this type of money only tells me that his power will be more prevalent,
26:17and that I could not, I cannot guarantee someone like this man would use his power for good.
26:22Well, you've already seen it.
26:24I think the great irony in what you just said is that this is the same person who took a
26:28hatchet to USAID.
26:29And the end result of what we're seeing is that there are thousands of women and children
26:35who have died because of the cuts.
26:37America has become weaker because we've receded from the world order when it comes to our soft
26:42power, something that George W. Bush talked a great deal about.
26:47Elon Musk is a white supremacist who believes in things like the-
26:51Oh, boy.
26:51Oh, boy.
26:52I wasn't going to finish the sentence.
26:54You may need a lawyer when this is over, Bacar.
26:55Oh, boy.
26:55No.
26:57Can I finish the next sentence?
26:58Go ahead.
26:58Who believes in things like the great replacement theory?
27:00Honestly.
27:01Bacar.
27:02Yes.
27:02What's wrong with what he said?
27:03It makes sense to me.
27:05Wait a minute.
27:05Does Elon Musk not believe in the great replacement theory?
27:07Is it not a racist theory that's been debunked?
27:09I just don't, I just think you, considering we have about 12 defamation cases in my office
27:16right now, before you start throwing things around like someone's a white supremacist, now
27:21the senator from the Democratic senator who's got, who's got the SWAT sticker on his chest,
27:27I think then, then I would win that case.
27:29Well, hold on.
27:30Hold on one second.
27:31Let me just also say this.
27:31Well, hold on.
27:32Let me just, first of all, I want us to stay on topic.
27:35I mean, Arthur, I would say there are people, and people you just brought up, Graham Platt,
27:39there are people who have come on this show and called him a straight up Nazi.
27:42So, that has happened.
27:43But there's evidence of that.
27:44And, well, Bacar is arguing, Bacar is arguing that he has evidence of racial bias.
27:50Let me just say.
27:50I don't want to litigate that.
27:53If somebody believes in the great replacement...
27:55So, let's...
27:55Bacar doesn't want to litigate that.
27:57Bacar doesn't want to litigate that.
27:59I believe I have every ground to stand on.
28:01But what I'm not going to do is allow someone, just because they're a trillionaire...
28:04And this is the problem we have in this country.
28:06Because somebody has a billion dollars or somebody has a trillion dollars, people all
28:10of a sudden are afraid to speak their truth.
28:12That is not going to silence me.
28:13All right.
28:14Who said that?
28:14Scott Jennings.
28:15You've been shaking your head.
28:16You just said that.
28:16You've been shaking your head since Carrie started talking.
28:19So...
28:20I've been...
28:20I've been all day long.
28:21I've been listening to liberals count and spend Elon's money for them.
28:26This envy, jealousy, hatred of success.
28:31Why is it immoral?
28:33Why is it wrong for somebody in our system, our capitalist system, in the greatest nation
28:38on earth, to go out and build a company, build companies, build technologies, go into space,
28:44aim to go put a colony on Mars, give internet to half the world?
28:48All the things he's doing.
28:50Why is any of this wrong or bad?
28:52Why would we want to discourage entrepreneurship?
28:55Why would we want to discourage anybody building anything?
28:58That is the nature of this.
28:59That's a fair question.
29:00Because Elon Musk has also...
29:02I mean, he's getting super rich.
29:04But a lot of other people are getting rich, too.
29:07At spade sacks, people who are...
29:09That's the wrong frame.
29:11And I think that Scott Jennings is wrong.
29:13And let me tell you why.
29:14Because they're liberals.
29:15The liberals that you are lambasting right now, no one is saying, and I'm not saying,
29:20I can't say no one, but I'm not saying that I'm mad at him for being innovative enough
29:25to create an IPO that creates wealth for him or many others.
29:29What I am saying, however, is that there has to be some nature of altruism.
29:34Being an American, right?
29:36I mean, reading the Statue of Liberty, like, there is a certain level of give me your poor.
29:41Give me your burden.
29:42Wait, do you have evidence that Elon Musk is not altruistic?
29:45I mean, I don't know.
29:46I mean, Michael Bloomberg, our former mayor, he's given money to every charity, every event.
29:51I do think that when you compare Elon Musk's charitable giving to other uber-wealthy people,
29:58whether it's Bloomberg, Gates, you know, Lorraine Powell Jobs, you name it, Warren Buffett,
30:05he's not high on the list, and he's now the wealthiest person on this planet.
30:11But Bakari was alluding to this, and so was Kerry.
30:14Ro Khanna says you've got to tax him, tax him at 5%.
30:18In one year, you could fund free public college and trade school, $10 a day childcare,
30:24special needs education nationwide.
30:27Bernie Sanders says...
30:29How much is Ro Khanna worth?
30:30A couple hundred years.
30:31Bernie Sanders says this is an argument that rich people, you don't have to be a trillionaire,
30:38but people who are making a lot of money should be subject to more social security tax,
30:43because right now they only pay it on less than $200,000 of income.
30:47So there are some proposals on the table for how...
30:51You know, there are going to be a lot of people making buckets of money in this AI world,
30:56and there are going to be a lot of people put out of work.
30:59There are proposals on the table to how to make that work for society a little bit better.
31:03Yeah, and I don't think what you were saying, Bakari, was wrong.
31:06You're... Look...
31:07You never think what he's saying is wrong, so that's...
31:09Who? Her?
31:10Yes.
31:10She does.
31:11She never disagrees with me all the time.
31:13How much is someone allowed to have?
31:14Okay, first of all, no one's jealous.
31:16I want to point that out.
31:17Oh, yes, that's all day long.
31:18I'm not jealous.
31:19Well, not me.
31:19All day long.
31:20I've been talking about a lot of people.
31:21Sure, fine.
31:22I'm just saying that I know that he's not going to...
31:24I'm going to say, to your point, he has used his money for good, for advances.
31:28You're right.
31:28There are many wonderful things that he has done for society that we now look at and say,
31:33guess what, I can now do that.
31:34And you're right, giving internet to people who didn't have internet, amazing, wonderful,
31:38good for you.
31:38But what I am saying is that I also know that he doesn't believe that he should do the things
31:43that we were just
31:44pointing out, such as changing what we need to change in this society.
31:48Is he mandated to agree with you?
31:49No, he's not mandated to agree with me, but there should be some checks and balances in this society.
31:53People should not be allowed to have a trillion dollars.
31:55I don't want a human needs that much money, and you know that.
31:59Scott, do you think that these ultra-wealthy people, I'm not talking about people with
32:0410, 15, 20, even $100 million.
32:07I'm talking about people who are approaching a trillion dollars.
32:10Do you think that there's more that they should be doing to give back to the societies that
32:16helped them get rich?
32:17Yes.
32:17Elon Musk and SpaceX benefited from tens of millions of dollars in government contracts
32:24and deals that allowed them to become the company that they are today.
32:27Or should they be doing...
32:28Bakari, can I...
32:29Yeah, go ahead.
32:29I'm sorry.
32:30Scott, do you think that they should be doing more?
32:33I think it's up to them.
32:34I think that many of them, and Arthur mentioned one, they do a lot.
32:37But it's not for me, or you, or any of us here to tell someone else what to do with
32:43what they earned and what they built.
32:44Governments do that every single day.
32:45It's called taxes.
32:46Yeah, I know.
32:47And the rich people in this country pay the vast majority of taxes.
32:50And I hear people today saying, oh, it's time that we tax the rich.
32:53Folks, I got news for you.
32:54We already taxed the rich.
32:56They paid the vast majority of taxes.
32:57And I think Elon Musk is the single largest taxpayer in America, and he'll be even bigger
33:02now.
33:02But is it for us to sit around and say, there's a limit on what you can build.
33:06There's a limit on what you can earn.
33:08And it's now my job to tell you what to do with your money?
33:10Hell no.
33:10All right.
33:11Let's leave it there, Arthur.
33:12What if there's a tax that you have to pay to a charity?
33:16Not to the government.
33:16You get to pick what charity.
33:17After you make over $100 million, 5%, you've got to give it to a charity.
33:20You will not redistribute my wealth to other private entities.
33:23Okay.
33:24That's my money.
33:24I'm not going to redistribute yours.
33:26Don't redistribute mine.
33:26All right.
33:27Okay.
33:27Next for us, Hunter Biden is defending Graham Plattner.
33:30And the no-holds-barred style is getting some praise from liberals.
33:34What's behind all of this?
33:35We'll be right back.
33:45Tonight, Graham Plattner has a new ally.
33:48As the Maine Democrat navigates scandal after scandal in his bid for the U.S. Senate, Hunter
33:53Biden, the former son, or the son of former President Joe Biden, is now coming to his defense.
34:00I have not heard anything in any way that would say to me that he is an abusive, misogynistic, or
34:16anti-Semitic, or racist person.
34:21And I have heard this from Graham Plattner, though, that he thinks we should all have free healthcare.
34:27I have heard this from Graham Plattner also, that he thinks that we have to radically change our politics.
34:32I have heard this from Graham Plattner, that working people are .
34:36And if that's the standard by which we are going to judge people, particularly people in elected office, then I
34:43don't think we're going to have many people in elected office.
34:47Not sure this is the endorsement that Graham Plattner was looking for, Scott.
34:52Yeah, degenerates are having a moment tonight.
34:54I see Plattner, Hunter Biden, and Gavin Newsom all on the same screen.
34:58I mean, honestly, as far as character references go for Graham Plattner, Hunter Biden is the literal last person you
35:09would pick.
35:09But if Hunter Biden hasn't been paying attention to the things that Graham Plattner has said, done, the things he's
35:14had tattooed on his body, and the things that his girlfriends have said about him, that's on Hunter Biden, because
35:18he seems woefully misinformed.
35:20Wow.
35:21You know, having represented many people who are being accused by their scorned lovers, I put that in one column.
35:28But, Abby, as I said on your show, I think three or four times now, the whole tattoo thing, I
35:33can't get over someone having an anti-Semitic symbol tattooed to their body.
35:38And he got caught lying.
35:40He got by his girlfriend saying, oh, I didn't know.
35:43I didn't know what it was.
35:44I didn't know what it was until someone told me what it was.
35:46His girlfriend's like, no, no, that ain't true.
35:47He knew what it was right away.
35:48So I'm sorry, Hunter Biden, you may not have heard him say anything anti-Semitic, but he did something much
35:54more powerful than saying something.
35:56He permanently tattooed something on his body.
35:58And I personally, a New Yorker surrounded by my Jewish brothers and sisters, I can't get over that.
36:04I think that Donald Trump in particular has taken our body politic to the depths of hell in terms of
36:11character, et cetera.
36:12And I find I find it to be a place where most of us, I think all four or five
36:18of us would agree we don't want to be.
36:20We don't I don't want my choice to be Graham Plattner.
36:24I just I don't.
36:26But when people go to the ballot in November, they have a choice between someone who is articulating these views
36:32of women's rights, et cetera, versus someone who voted with Donald Trump 97 percent of the time.
36:36I will tell Graham Plattner this is something my dad used to tell me all the time is like, you
36:41know, if I'm in a fight with a bear, you know, help the bear pour honey on me like you
36:45do not want Hunter Biden coming to your rescue.
36:48If you're Graham Plattner, that is one person that you don't necessarily want.
36:52I mean, can we just spend one second on the Hunter Biden of it all?
36:55I mean, he got on social media and I've been seeing a lot of liberals just, you know, applauding virtually
37:01the things that he's been saying.
37:03Some of the some of the tweets. I know this may sound sound petty, but I can't stand it when
37:08people put Photoshop when people Photoshop a meth pipe in my mouth.
37:12A crack pipe doesn't have that little bowl at the end.
37:15This is why we can't trust A.I. Please make the appropriate edit.
37:18Thank you for your attention to this matter.
37:22That photo that you're seeing there. He also says he's not part of the elite class because this was filmed
37:30in a motel eight off of the 90 I-95.
37:35So listen, he OK, Scott says we can't get over all these degenerates. Right.
37:39And then you say you can't get over the Nazi tattoo and he got lying.
37:44Listen, 100 percent agree. But here is my question.
37:46Well, what is the statute? Maybe you can tell me, attorney. What's the statute of limitations of when you've paid
37:51your penance?
37:52Like, when can you come back into society?
37:54Are you talking about Hunter or Grant Plattner? Yes, both.
37:56Well, I do believe that.
37:59Grant Plattner took the tattoo off a few months ago.
38:01But here's my point. Like, you talked about that. You gave the analogy of the bear.
38:06And OK, so all I'm saying is this. To your point about Donald Trump, what he has done is lowered
38:12the bar.
38:13The it's literally hell right now. We're on the floor right now when we decide.
38:18You call someone a liar. You can't get over someone being a liar.
38:20You can't get over someone being cheating or denigrating women or treating women poorly.
38:25I just in my mind. And I said this on your show before. I don't agree at all with Plattner,
38:29nor do I agree with Biden.
38:31But I want to know how we determine morally who we decide is right and who we decide is wrong.
38:37So if you're coming to. OK, listen, we're going to have to leave it on that point.
38:41You can't decide. You can't. Next for us.
38:43We've got our nightcaps coming on the game time snack edition.
38:47Speaking of food, though, we're going to find out what Chef Ginevra has been cooking up for us over there.
38:52That's next. Everybody.
39:03We're back and the Food Network's executive Chef Ginevra Iverson is here with some spectacular plates.
39:10Trust me, I just tasted it is so good.
39:12Chef, tell us what you've got for us.
39:14So we just developed this recipe. It's a spatchcock grilled chicken, Peruvian style.
39:18It's marinated and then served with this super herby, delicious green sauce.
39:22Can you say that word again? Spatchcock. Spatchcock.
39:24Spatchcock. You've got to inform the people.
39:26You take out the backbone and then you open it up. You butterfly it.
39:29So when you grill it, it grills really evenly.
39:32Impressive. Yeah. And you push it right down.
39:34Yeah. So delicious.
39:35Some global cuisine for the World Cup that is here in New York.
39:40You can scan that QR code on the screen for this grilled spatchcocked Peruvian chicken with, is it aji?
39:48Yeah, aji and marilla.
39:50Aji verde sauce. It's so, so good.
39:53And all this food talk is heading into a sports filled weekend.
39:57We've got the World Cup, the NBA Finals tomorrow. Go Knicks.
40:01The Stanley Cup Finals plus the UFC fight at the White House.
40:04So for tonight's Snooze Nightcap, what is your favorite game time snack, Chef?
40:09I mean, it's not very exciting, but it's always a hot dog.
40:13I eat like one or two a year, but I also watch one or two smooth games a year.
40:17On brand. Right, right.
40:19Mine is definitely nachos, like with all the fixings.
40:22Like a little bit of green onion, a little bit of jalapeno, ground beef.
40:26Ground beef specifically, because it's different when you have chicken.
40:29So it's my favorite. Totally. I would agree with that.
40:31Carrie, I was surprised you didn't say the same thing I said.
40:33I like to have lupini beans.
40:36I wouldn't have said that. Do you know what they are?
40:37No, I have no idea.
40:38So they're a little Italian bean that they come in water, and it's salt water,
40:43and they're very tasty, and you have to take the shell off,
40:46and it pops in your mouth, and it's actually kind of healthy.
40:48There's like a lot of fiber. That's no fun.
40:50No, it makes you thirsty, so you drink more beer.
40:52It's very trendy these days, these lupini beans.
40:55Is it?
40:55Yeah, it's whole foods. All right.
40:57I think mine is probably the most wholesome.
40:59Whenever I have a sports game, I need tequila.
41:01A little, a little reposado just to get through it.
41:05The ups and downs. You miss a shot, you take a shot.
41:08You make a shot, you take a shot.
41:09I love it.
41:10I would put a limit on the number of times tequila can be your nightcap.
41:13Well, being a South Carolina fan, I'd be drunk all the time.
41:15All right, Scott. Scott, take us home.
41:17You know us well. God, I hate Kentucky fans.
41:20So very specific, very specific.
41:23Back home, AAA Louisville Bats baseball.
41:26My family has season tickets, and there's a lady there named
41:29Elizabeth Cazito.
41:30She's a legend in Louisville.
41:31She makes cookies, and she wears this basket on her head filled with cookies.
41:36And when we take the boys to the game, we always get Cazito cookies.
41:39She's a legend.
41:40We love you. We get your cookies next week.
41:41All right, everybody.
41:42Thank you very much for being here at the Food Network Test Kitchen.
41:45All I have to say is happy birthday, Daddy.
41:47We love you. Happy birthday.
41:49And thank you very much for watching Newsnight.
41:51See you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. for our Saturday morning show.
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