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00:00:00We're going to end up asking a lot of the questions about this team we've asked for
00:00:04several years. They're very likely going to have a regular season that's very good and then they're
00:00:10going to begin the postseason and we're going to ask all the same questions again based on
00:00:14their postseason track record if they're good enough. And you know who I just described?
00:00:19The New York Knicks.
00:00:31Hello, welcome to the Pinstripe Post. My name is Ryan Sampson. He's the star of the show,
00:00:34Joel Sherman. Today is Monday, June 22nd. The New York Yankees dropped the series for the first,
00:00:39I believe, an eight series, Joel. They lose a series to the Reds over the weekend. Not a great
00:00:44Father's Day yesterday for the Yankees, but obviously, Joel, you were a father yourself.
00:00:49I hope you had a nice, happy Father's Day yourself. And I know that yesterday holds a special part in
00:00:56your heart. I know especially for me and you who both don't have our fathers anymore and we can't
00:01:00celebrate the way we would love to. But I hope you did have a nice Father's Day with your sons
00:01:05that
00:01:06I know you enjoy that time you get to have with them. Yeah, you know, one of the nice things
00:01:11was
00:01:13I sat at my dad's foot and watched the Knicks win. Well, listen to one championship and watched
00:01:20another. God, I'm old. And obviously, I couldn't do that with my dad this time, but I got to
00:01:25do it with one of my boys. The other one was, like yesterday on Father's Day, the other one was
00:01:31playing a concert that night in Brooklyn. Last night, he was playing a concert in Delaware.
00:01:36So we were delaying Father's Day to today. And yet, I think we're burying the lead. Since we last met,
00:01:43congratulations. I got a text yesterday when I was explained, yes, a married man, now Ryan.
00:01:50When I get a text from Ryan Sampson that says, you were busy all day also cooking for your
00:01:55in-laws. It's a new term. Get used to it, buddy. And no, really, congratulations and best of luck
00:02:05to you, man. I'm very happy for you. We did a show last week. We missed you, but we certainly
00:02:12acknowledged the great moment in your life. Thank you. And I can't thank you enough for running the
00:02:21show again last week. You and JJ were great. Yankees fans, Pinchstripe Post fans, go watch
00:02:27last week's episode if you haven't yet. It's an awesome episode where Joel and JJ break down the
00:02:31Yankees beating the Blue Jays. I thought it was a really good conversation about the shortstop future,
00:02:37Lombard, like all of it. It's really good stuff. And I appreciate you saying the kind words to me at
00:02:43a
00:02:43big moment here for my life. And look, man, this is fun. We get to do this every day.
00:02:48You know, and I know, Joel, I get to pin you down and ask you some questions about the Yankees.
00:02:54I'm sure you're not really excited to be asked about, but look, I want to start off with really
00:02:59just, I can't be too critical because it feels like we're at a really good moment right now with
00:03:04the Yankees. And like the fact that they're getting past this moment with Judge and without Freed and
00:03:09Stanton and now Grisham's down, they're still winning baseball games. They had a tough weekend.
00:03:14But I'm curious for you, is there any pause for you, Joel, where it's like
00:03:21without Goldschmidt now, who's being a real contributor in this lineup and yesterday he
00:03:25gets the day to sit, are the Yankees, do they have enough? Or is just because look, Ryan,
00:03:30they have, they have to rely on the complimentary pieces. It's just a matter of ebbs and flows of the
00:03:35season. You can't be too like focused on just one weekend series loss.
00:03:41Yeah, look, I think it's the right question. And the, you know, I didn't watch the game yesterday
00:03:48because it was a Father's Day and I was doing stuff. But I caught up on it. I watched, sped
00:03:54it
00:03:54up a little bit and read some stuff on the game. And what came to my mind was, you know,
00:04:01we're going
00:04:02to end up asking a lot of the questions about this team we've asked for several years. They're very
00:04:09likely going to have a regular season. That's very good to better than that, partially because
00:04:17they're going to lean on depth. And then they're going to begin the postseason. And we're going to
00:04:23ask all the same questions again, based on their postseason track record. And if they're good enough
00:04:29and you know who I just described the New York Knicks,
00:04:34they are the Knicks now. Look, I want to do a show with you every week. I think they're going
00:04:41to get to the playoffs. And all that matters is, like the Knicks, are they healthy and able to play
00:04:46well in October? Because we're going to do this. We're going to do our version of, did they give
00:04:50up too much for bridges? Can you win with a small guard? Is pick your thing about cat? Does he
00:04:55get
00:04:56too much foul trouble? Is he tough enough? Will he accept the role? We're going to do all of that
00:05:00on endless loop with the Yankees because that's what we do. And then it's going to be a question
00:05:09of, can they dominate a month the way the Knicks dominated two months and stop the noise of,
00:05:17hey, you know the history. They're going to tease and the stuff that kills them during the regular
00:05:22season will ultimately kill them in the postseason. I just think that's who they are now with actually
00:05:27a much longer track record of failing in the postseason, right? Than even this, the Brunson
00:05:33era Knicks. So having said that, can I offer two competing thoughts? Yeah. One is, look,
00:05:44there's four teams that right now have risen above the sport and only one is in the American
00:05:50League and that's the Yankees. The Braves, the Brewers and the Dodgers. These are, there's four
00:05:55teams. I think the Braves are now plus 99, but there have been four teams who have been triple
00:06:00digit run differential of, you know, this year in the positive. There's only four positive run
00:06:06differentials in the American League. The Yankees not only have the best, they have the best by far.
00:06:13There are two games up in the AL East. There are two games out of having the best record in
00:06:18the
00:06:18major leagues. So you always want to have perspective, but then there's a weekend like
00:06:25this where I do think that the, a big issue for me is going to be the ball is going
00:06:35to find their
00:06:36middle infield in big spots. Like it did Gleyber Torres in a big spot in the world series in 2024.
00:06:44And the Yankees who are going to point to like they did with Gleyber, like plays he made or some
00:06:52metric that shows he's actually good. And it's just going to be like, our whatever, if it doesn't
00:06:58change is some combination of jazz Chisholm, uh, Anthony Volpe and Jose Caballero going to cost them
00:07:07because they all have the ability to do the spectacular. And then the routine could go
00:07:16through the infield. And then like, like, and you just sit there and go, Hey, it isn't going to be
00:07:23Kansas city in June. It's going to be a good team in October. And if the final is going to
00:07:28be four to
00:07:28three, one way. And if you like, like to me, I'm the only one, I know everyone else is talking
00:07:34about
00:07:34relief pitching, which I do think they have to get better at right-hand hitting catcher, which I think
00:07:39they have to get better at, uh, Tarek Scoobo. Sure. Let's have the conversation, but I feel like I'm
00:07:46the only one talking about their middle infield. It, uh, it felt like jazz was bored, Joel. He felt
00:07:50like, felt like jazz was playing. Like, I think you've brought it up before you said, Ryan, I wonder if
00:07:55jazz
00:07:55just gets in the mundane of everyday baseball, where it's June, it's Cincinnati reds. It's a
00:08:01Saturday. It's hot. I don't know if I'm going to make the routine look, look normal here. And it
00:08:06just becomes a, where are we on the Ferris ride with, with jazz Chisholm at, at second base.
00:08:12Yeah. I just think that, look, we, again, it feels endless. It feels like some of the next stuff,
00:08:17uh, where we're back is I think jazz pound for pounds, the most talented player on the field.
00:08:24And can disappear with his attention and attention to detail and catch and all these things. And
00:08:33I'm just like, and I think that the habits you have during the regular season do matter.
00:08:39Uh, because again, I think the Yankees didn't clean up a bunch of stuff in 24,
00:08:45uh, and it all cost them. It only cost them a championship. Yeah. Right. And, uh, so even I
00:08:53think Caballero has now been picked off five or six times this year. It's the second most in the
00:08:58major leagues. And Aaron Boone, to his credit, pointed out, there are the differences between the
00:09:03ones that are understandable and the ones that aren't. You don't want to take away the aggression.
00:09:08I don't know if the average fan knows this. The Yankees are second in the major leagues in stolen
00:09:12bases. They stole six more yesterday. Uh, their problem was for the last two days,
00:09:17they didn't get a hit with a runner and scoring, you know, they just didn't hit 24. I think that's
00:09:21what they were, you know, but like, like, I think that stuff comes and goes over the course of the
00:09:25season. They've been actually one of the best teams in that situation. I think sometimes you have
00:09:29to say like, let's remember, you know, our guy, John Sterling, sometimes it's baseball,
00:09:35Susan, you're going to have a bad weekend with runners and scoring position. And it's not
00:09:39definitively who you are. Right. Uh, I don't think that's, I think the Yankees have a lot of
00:09:43good hitters. I think they'll hit with runners and scoring position. I think. Um, but on Saturday,
00:09:49a game I was at, I'm like, literally as he's doing it, as Caballero is dancing off the second base,
00:09:56it's two outs and two strikes. And he's a fast runner. I'm like, what is he doing?
00:10:03If the ball hits the outfield grass, it's Jose Caballero. He's one, he's fast. He's going to
00:10:08score on any play. The, the risk reward of the moment where again, this feels like him and jazz
00:10:15in particular, they could just get out of their mind of like, let's, let's do something fun or,
00:10:23and, and I think the lack of discipline there, and I'm going to put this on Boone. Like at some
00:10:28point he's going to have to reign some of this in. And I know he wants this team. I think
00:10:33the
00:10:33Yankees feel that there's a plus minus to their stolen bases that they've added. They lead the
00:10:38majors and homers. They're second in the majors and stolen bases. It's, it's wild. They've really
00:10:43created another way to score runs. And so I don't think they want to lose that. There's going to be
00:10:49guys thrown out, stealing. There's going to be some pickoffs, but you want to make sure those
00:10:54are in the right situation and him dancing off a second base to put himself, even if that was a
00:11:01bang, bang play where he was safe, Ryan, you can't, it's two outs and two strikes. You're going on the
00:11:09crack of the bat. You're a fast runner. You're going to score an any hit to the outfield. Where are
00:11:14you
00:11:14going? Where are you? You know, like, and then the question becomes like, I have to imagine
00:11:20they read him anything, but the nice riot act to the tough riot act. But why am I reading you?
00:11:25You
00:11:25know, this isn't your first day playing baseball. How are we actually having this conversation?
00:11:30How do you not know that this is the wrong situation to do your thing? And I get it. Part
00:11:37of what he does is he's a pest and he annoys the other team. And there's got to be a
00:11:42line where it
00:11:43becomes now you're annoying my own team. And I do think that Aaron Boone and his coaches
00:11:50need to get the attention on both sides of the ball of a couple of players, because I don't,
00:11:57I didn't want to hear it in 2024. I didn't accept it. If you remember both broadcasting and writing
00:12:03in the post, I was like, I am not accepting any excuse. This has happened all year, all year in
00:12:09front of us. And now it only cost you a championship. And I'm watching, this is now half a year.
00:12:15And if
00:12:16you can't get the attention of a couple of players, and you know, like, like I would even say
00:12:23the dance dance thing at first base with Volpe, was that, was that a blocked base by the first
00:12:29baseman? Maybe. But like, that guy is slow to the plate, but he has a very good move, Burns.
00:12:36And so like, you're out in no man's land. You're just out in no man's land would, would,
00:12:42would Ben Rice up. And I would say risk reward. What's your risk? Like, I do want to get to
00:12:49second
00:12:49base. I want you to be aggressive. Stolen bases have to be part of your game, but like in the
00:12:55post
00:12:55season, in particular, teams are going to be even more buttoned up against your hop hop thing.
00:13:01They're not going to fall for it. And like, like, like Caballeros like that also. And so
00:13:06Chisholm, like they get out into a part of the ocean where you can't get back to shore.
00:13:12And I think, you know, like Yankees got a half a season and it's a fine line. You do not
00:13:19want to
00:13:20lose a part of the game that's helping you. You do not want to lose a part of the game
00:13:24that's helping
00:13:25you. The Yankees are right at the line of a major league average for stolen base percentage.
00:13:32I assume it went up a little yesterday because I, what were they probably six out? I don't know
00:13:35if these are considered, were they six for six or is there a court stealing in there, but whatever
00:13:40through Saturday, they were kind of right at the major league average, which was 74, 75%. I'm assuming
00:13:46they're up over that now. So they're better than major league average while stealing a lot of bases.
00:13:51And so you want to keep that and understand as a reporter or a fan, there's going to be
00:13:59casualty outs doing that. There's no way to be aggressive without creating outs. You want to make
00:14:04sure that the outs are valuable and not silly. And I thought in particular, the Caballero pickoff
00:14:12on Saturday was unacceptable. It was unacceptable. It was un-baseball was not on any level something
00:14:21that you can as a team go. Well, we want to stay aggressive. And to his credit Boone after the
00:14:27game said it was unacceptable. Yeah. Look, I mean, it's, it's kind of like, I feels like with him
00:14:33and with jazz and both be to an extent, the baseball acumen, it's like you question sometimes of like,
00:14:39are you in tune and what's happening right now in this moment? Or do you understand what you're doing
00:14:43and what you're putting your team in that? There's a, I think there's always that line that you talk
00:14:47about where there's the aggressiveness and stupidity. That's kind of a stupidity play
00:14:51right there where it's like, pay attention to where you're at right now. Two strikes, two outs,
00:14:56know the situation. Like you said, um, I, I agree with you, Joel. I think the jazz thing.
00:15:02Can I add one thing? Yeah. So I think a couple of bad things happened in the last few days
00:15:07for the
00:15:08Yankees solving this, uh, Lombard sprained some fingers. Yeah. Uh, and that will slow him down.
00:15:15Now, again, it's a long time between now and say August, if he, he's going to get back,
00:15:20I heard it wasn't, but it was by far away from the worst outcome for him. So like,
00:15:25it would be a little bit, he's on the injured list of AAA, but he was trending towards, Hmm. Hmm.
00:15:32This is interesting. Uh, and you know, the Yankees are a good enough team that they may have been able
00:15:38to absorb his offensive apprenticeship because here's the thing that, and I always start with,
00:15:45uh, you know, uh, analysis outside the organization. I ask other people who cover
00:15:52the Yankee organization and they are 100%. He will defend at a high major league level from day one.
00:16:00He is a detail oriented player and his base running is exceptional. So it's interesting because he's kind
00:16:07of anti to some of the stuff you're watching, uh, with a good hitting guy and the potential over
00:16:14time to maybe become a two 60, two 70 hitter with a little pop in the major leagues. Though I
00:16:18think
00:16:18the offense is going to come last if it comes at all, but the other stuff. So I think he
00:16:22heard
00:16:22himself. The other thing is if you're starting to watch, uh, like it's a name I brought up last
00:16:29week. And again, I always want to be careful. I never thought for a second, uh, that this guy
00:16:35would, well, I, I always assume trades won't happen. Uh, and teams will find reasons not to
00:16:41do things. Trades are hard, but like I kept watching Houston fail and I'm a Jeremy Payne,
00:16:47your fan. And now Houston has had a good, I think they've won three series in a row.
00:16:53The American league West is terrible. Seattle keeps getting these chances to bolt. It's every time
00:17:00you, you know, I would say to a Yankee fan, Hey, I know you're miserable, but Seattle should be
00:17:05winning the AL West by 10 games and they keep keeping everyone in this thing. Uh, you know,
00:17:12and if you keep a team in it long enough, you open a door, somebody might walk in and the
00:17:17Astros are
00:17:18under the owner. Jim Crane have said the window never closes here. I never want to rebuild the
00:17:24whole thing. They're giving, you know, like the Yankees have a series coming up against the Tigers.
00:17:29Uh, the Tigers have played a little better recently. If you want Tariq Scooble on the,
00:17:34uh, trade market, can I be honest with you? I don't understand that the Tariq Scooble trade,
00:17:41like I, I understand it's a name and it's like, you can make your rotation even that much better.
00:17:46Right. But like you're getting max feedback, hopefully within the next month and a half,
00:17:52two months. And with Garrett Cole going at what he's at and cam Schlittler, which we'll talk about
00:17:57a little bit, 13 strikeouts on, on Friday, Joel, that's a one, two, three. I would take against
00:18:02anyone else in all of major league baseball. I understand Tariq Scooble would just be a fourth
00:18:05name on that, that list. And he, he'd be at the top right there with cam Schlittler and how great
00:18:09they are. But like, I feel like when you have these pieces that you can trade in a Lombard,
00:18:16Legrane, Elmer Cruz, like you can go out and get the best relief pitcher on the market. You can go
00:18:21get
00:18:21the best catcher on the market and really focus on the holes. I just don't understand that Tariq
00:18:26Scooble interest. It feels very much forced. If I'm being honest with you, like, I don't,
00:18:31I don't understand why, why the Yankees would be that invested in going to get Tariq Scooble.
00:18:36Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not my, my point of view here.
00:18:38No. Oh, so, so I would expect that they won't be big players for him. I would note,
00:18:45and of course this will probably change Wednesday when he pitches against the Yankees, but his first
00:18:49two starts off of the IL for his, the, the nano needle elbow surgery, the new fangled
00:18:56surgery that got a guy back faster have been good, but not great. Right. And so you want to
00:19:01keep an eye on, this is something new. It is a third elbow surgery for this player along the way.
00:19:07You want to make sure, especially he's going to cost a ton. He's going to be a free agent at
00:19:13the
00:19:13end of the season. You've got to see him pitch like Tariq Scooble before you give up a lot.
00:19:20Now, having said that, what, you know, I'm assuming the Yankees aren't going to include
00:19:29George Lombard in any trade and maybe not LeGrande. But like, I don't know. It's the Tigers have to
00:19:37be good next year. They're short, like starting pitching. Like if they said, Hey, we'll do this for
00:19:43Will Warren, Elmer Cruz, Spencer Jones, and your best able lottery. I mean, like, I don't know,
00:19:50like it will probably be a lot better than that, but like, you don't actually know what,
00:19:55because, uh, my friend, uh, Ken Rosenthal from the athletic wrote something interesting the other
00:20:01day. He said, the kind of team that trades for Tariq Scooble has to be a team that has a
00:20:06first round
00:20:07buy. Because if not, and you have Tariq Scooble win game one, and then you lose the next two games,
00:20:14you're out of the playoffs. Like, so you want to feel like he can have real impact on it. So
00:20:21now,
00:20:21okay, now you're lowering it to who are the obvious ones? Probably the Yankees, Brewers, Dodgers, Braves,
00:20:30like Seattle doesn't need a starting pitcher. Are they going to be the second team that gets a buy
00:20:34in the American league? Right. Like one of those three teams in the national league doesn't get a
00:20:39buy, right? Only two are getting a buy. So I, I doesn't mean that a team, another team won't go
00:20:47get it. And some of the teams I just mentioned, like the Brewers and Dodgers, for example, are
00:20:53perceived to have a far better farm system than the Yankees. Uh, but the, it will be interesting
00:20:59what the field is and what somebody is willing to give up in the field. Like, like is Tariq Scooble
00:21:10the pitching Juan Soto and what did the Yankees give up for full season, one full season of Juan
00:21:17Soto? So what would you give up for 10 to 12 starts of Tariq Scooble plus one to five, one
00:21:24to five
00:21:24post season starts? Yeah. Right. Like, like a lot, because if he's right, he's such a game changer,
00:21:31but ultimately you could also look at it and say he played with the Tigers the last few years and
00:21:36they didn't get through the playoffs, right? Like they lost in the playoffs. And so it's, I,
00:21:42I wonder if the package is very, very good, but maybe not as great.
00:21:51As we think. And the, but, but the Tigers are going to have to play this well. They're going
00:21:56to have to pit teams against each other because ultimately they're just trying to beat the
00:22:01compensation draft pick. If they do this and, and the other, by the way, in this Ryan is they're
00:22:06not out of it. I know you're like the American league is bad. They're only five games out of
00:22:11the wild card right now. Right? Like they've got six games. Like, like, again, if you want
00:22:16Scooble out in the market and you're the Yankees, you got six games against the Tigers coming up in a
00:22:20short period here, beat them up a little bit or, you know, like play with your food and maybe the
00:22:28Tigers will end up in the playoffs and you'll play a five game division series and Scooble will start
00:22:33one in five against you. You never know. It's, it's an interesting thought about the limited
00:22:38amount of teams that could be interested in him just because you want to have him in the post season
00:22:42in that first division series. I've never heard that thought. That's interesting. I will say this
00:22:47though. I still think it's, it's, it's like beating over the, over the head. Like if I'm going to get
00:22:52more starting pitching, I, you were going to get the best starting pitcher, obviously on the market,
00:22:56but like, I just love what this rotation's already done. Maybe I'm my even believing that this can
00:23:01continue the rest of the season. Um, but I, I am interested though. So Elmer Cruz Rodriguez gets
00:23:07called up yesterday to do the start, the spot start, because they want to push everyone back a day.
00:23:12I know, you know, front offices more than anyone else, Joel. Was that any like games being played
00:23:19by the Yanks saying, let me show off Elmer Cruz Rodriguez in front of all you all, like call
00:23:23him up. Or was that truly like, we know we have 25 games coming up, I think a 26 day
00:23:27span and they
00:23:29needed to give their relief pitching and they're starting pitching an extra day. Yeah. I would look
00:23:35at it as it was the cherry on top of there were playing 16 games in 16 days and that's
00:23:41why they were
00:23:41doing it. And somebody in the meeting probably said, Hey, and it probably wouldn't be bad to show
00:23:45them off in the major leagues one time. But I think that this is, I think everything they're doing
00:23:51with starting pitching feels somewhat reminiscent to me of what the Dodgers did last year, which is
00:23:58whatever you look, you don't want to be arrogant, right? You don't want to be arrogant, but like
00:24:03the Dodgers knew last year, for example, they were going to make the playoffs. They knew that in
00:24:09February and March and spring training, uh, sitting here today, the Yankees have what a 98% chance
00:24:15of making the playoffs, something like that. So the one thing you want to do, and, and, and by the
00:24:21way,
00:24:21a very good chance of being the one or two seed at least and getting a buy. And so you
00:24:27want to make
00:24:28sure whenever that first playoff game is October 6th, whenever that comes up, that you have your four
00:24:33best guys lined up healthy and peaking. And so could Rodon and Cole have come back a little earlier
00:24:41this season? Yeah, I think so. I think Shohei Otani could have pitched before the middle of June last
00:24:47year. That wasn't the goal of the Dodgers. The goal of the Dodgers was to make sure Otani was a,
00:24:52a, a slack starter on game one of the playoffs and get them there. They slow played Blake Snell last
00:24:58year from an injury back. They slow played glass. Like, like they're doing it again, by the way,
00:25:04right? Like they're in a six man rotation for Otani. They're slow, you know, like, Hey,
00:25:10Snell and glass. Now take your time on the injured list, like get to a hundred percent and then get
00:25:14to
00:25:14110%. If there was such a thing. Uh, I think the Yankees will do that with Max Fried. They're in
00:25:19no
00:25:19hurry. Fried had an incredible workload last year, the largest of his career. Uh, they obviously didn't
00:25:26want him to get hurt, but they've had the depth to withstand it for right now. And if Max Fried
00:25:32comes back August 1st, throwing like he did for the first two months of the season, they'd say
00:25:39that was the thing. That was our acquisition. Right. Yeah. Could they, could they put Fried on
00:25:45an accelerated program that got some back two or three weeks earlier than that? Probably. I just
00:25:50think that they're playing big picture here with, uh, their rotation. I think with all their
00:25:57pitching, could they have, uh, done a speedy Carlos Lagrange relief tutorial in the minor leagues to get
00:26:05them here? Yeah. But you're going to have to live with for a while, Jake Bird and Camilo Duvall and
00:26:10Ryan Yarborough a little longer because they're going to take their time, make sure his arm has handled it,
00:26:18make sure his psyche has handled it, work on the running game as a relief pitcher, things like that.
00:26:23I just think the Yankees are one of the blessed teams that are good enough to feel like they're
00:26:28going to make it. And every decision, part of every decision, Ryan has to be, Hey, what does it mean
00:26:35today? But what does it mean for October 1st? Right. It makes sense, Joel. Uh, what's interesting
00:26:40is Jake Bird gets sent down yesterday, right? And he now has to be down for 15 days. Are they
00:26:46going to
00:26:46call up Giovanni Cruz? I know the ground. I assume like, would it be Delos Santos? Like
00:26:51I would assume it's Cruz at Delos Santos. They kind of like Delos Santos is very much like this
00:26:56utility pitcher. Like he's like, like high end for a, like definitely somebody they feel like
00:27:02could pitch innings in the major leagues. They really worry about, uh, cruises. It hasn't fully
00:27:09shown up in the minors, but every time I ask about Cruz with the Yankees, I hear something about
00:27:15control command. And I think the Yankees, because the minor league numbers suggest he should be here
00:27:24and he isn't here. And so there's got to be something like, you know, the Yankees are in
00:27:30this to win it. I mean, they're not keeping a guy. It isn't like they're keeping them down for
00:27:34option reasons or he's close to arbitration. So like, it doesn't mean they're making the right
00:27:38decision, but it means that they have some reason that they're seeing their minor league people,
00:27:45development people, major league staff pitching group that they don't like having said that,
00:27:50you know, they're going to make a roster move sometime between you and I talking and game time
00:27:55tonight. And he might be the, the, the guy, uh, I would, I would think it's probably him or Delos
00:28:01Santos, right? Those are the 40 man roster guys. Yeah. That's, that's pretty much what we're looking
00:28:05at right now. Uh, and I don't think they would pull that card yet for Legrande. They're still
00:28:08working on him in a relief. No, no. I think, I think again, they want, they're very much the
00:28:14let's, let's get it right. Right. Because they want him to be Michael King from say 2022,
00:28:21like that attack dog kind of thing. And by the way, I think Clark Schmidt will fall into that at
00:28:26some point as well. If they don't need a starter in late, like, like say the second half at some
00:28:32point, I think, I think Schmidt and Freed are going to be on somewhat of a similar trajectory
00:28:39for them. I think Freed will probably come back first. I think from what I'm hearing though,
00:28:44you know, again, they're really playing it slow with him. Um, uh, with, and I, you're talking about
00:28:51with Freed and look, even with Schmidt as well, like, like they're, they're doing the same thing.
00:28:57Uh, Ryan, as far as like Garrett Cole to me, could it come back before 14 months and the Yankees
00:29:04and
00:29:04Cole Cole was very much a part of this. We're like 14 months is the minimum that you've got to
00:29:12go through the program, do it again, uh, load, deload, load again, like do all the stressors that
00:29:21are going to actually come when you're pitching again. And so I think they're going to go through
00:29:26that and, uh, take their time because I, so they like Clark Schmidt a great day. I mean,
00:29:33I think Clark Schmidt's a good major league pitcher. Uh, and they, the one thing about Schmidt and I
00:29:39always feel, you know, we we've done this enough, Ryan, you know, it's one of my things for if you're
00:29:44going to play anywhere, but especially here, and maybe particularly for the Yankees here is you can't
00:29:50be afraid like, uh, Clark Schmidt, like, like Clark Schmidt stands. I'm sure what Max Fried and
00:29:59Gary Cole and things to himself. Here I am with my peers, right? Like, like he believes in himself.
00:30:05Uh, um, and I think they know he wouldn't be afraid to pick, pitch in a big spot and, and
00:30:12look,
00:30:12I'll throw in one other name though. I'd be surprised to see him resurface is Louise. He,
00:30:17Louise Hill is throwing again. Uh, uh, uh, could he end up, uh, being part of a rotation,
00:30:24you know, but at least the bullpen piece, uh, because look, we're gonna, we, we could sit here
00:30:30pretty confidently, I think, and say that there's three or four guys in this bullpen today who will
00:30:41unlikely be part of their August four, uh, trade deadlines, August 3rd, who I think are very
00:30:48unlikely to be part of their August 4th, uh, bullpen, you know, the ball, Blackburn, Yarbrough,
00:30:56pick the guy who's filling the Jake bird, Cruz, Della Santos spot. Like, you know, I think it's
00:31:04Hedrick almost probably Hill, Bednar, uh, Cruz, and then, and I think everything else might be up
00:31:13for debate, right. Uh, for, for this through internal and external rotation guys pulling out
00:31:20and, and, and a trade or two in the marketplace. There's certainly some questions there to be
00:31:25answered. Uh, obviously if you guys haven't read Joel's piece, uh, on post sports plus,
00:31:29he talks about the rotation, the, the tough questions they might be facing with the return
00:31:33of Freed, the pieces that you just mentioned, potentially Schmidt heel. When do they call
00:31:37up LaGran? Hey, all of those things are into factors here. They won't happen probably until
00:31:41that August timeline. And obviously through the trade deadline, there could be more, more
00:31:45incoming. Uh, Joel, I want to ask you for real or unreal. Let's talk about Cam Schlittler.
00:31:50What a performance Friday night, 13 strikeouts, no walks, uh, nowhere in runs. This guy is putting
00:31:56together a Cy Young candidate type of year. Now I know he leads, I believe is it majors
00:32:01or AL and innings pitched this year already. And I know this is the biggest workload he's
00:32:05ever going to face real or unreal. What we're seeing right now, Cam Schlittler, Cy Young,
00:32:10is he the American league Cy Young hands down right now? Like you got to give the reward to
00:32:14him. Yeah. I mean, I think if we are awarding this at the mid season and by the way, by
00:32:19next
00:32:19weekend, we'll have played half the games. Like we'll get to 81 games by like the weekend,
00:32:25Monday, Tuesday, next week. Like everyone will get to 81 games. So we're halfway there.
00:32:29Yeah. To me at this point, the, the last question about Schlittler will be durability.
00:32:34Yeah. Uh, I think he has shown
00:32:40aptitude, attitude and altitude, altitude, right? Well, that there's a lot of height there
00:32:47that there's, there's a ceiling. Like, I mean, if we're talking AL Cy Young, we're talking
00:32:51about top of the sport. Uh, all right. As he's in that group photo with the best starting
00:32:58pitchers in the world, like today, he would start the all-star game for the American league
00:33:02if he's rested and ready to go. And I'm sure the Yankees would like to not have that extra
00:33:07inning on him if they don't have to have that extra inning on him. And so I bet you they
00:33:11do
00:33:11everything they can to make sure he pitches the Sunday before the all-star game. Uh, but,
00:33:16uh, I'm just guessing. No, no, it's so it's, it's an interesting thing you bring up. I know
00:33:20it's, it's probably a minor detail, but like the kids having an incredible year and you're,
00:33:24you're trying to manage this kid, right. And his workload, like you said, you don't want
00:33:29to overload him, right? Like he he's pitching for a Cy Young right now. Like he's pitching
00:33:33for the best team in the American league. He's your ace right now. And they're all this
00:33:37altitude, like you said, is up there with him. How do you manage though? The fact that you're
00:33:42doing this for the first time and we're trying to make sure you don't hurt yourself
00:33:45in the long run, because there is the October that we're paying attention to, like you said,
00:33:49and the Yankees always keep that in mind for when they're making these decisions, October.
00:33:55Yeah. You know, Ryan, the answer is you can't put anybody in bubble wrap. You got to play
00:33:59the games, uh, adding the extra again, I'm sure, you know, the Yankees were strong, the
00:34:05scourgers of Max Fried, say for example, being on team USA for the WBC. Like, uh, you do,
00:34:11you're trying like on one hand, you want to be like, Hey, let's do everything we can to help the
00:34:16perception of the sport. And then it's like, becomes like NIMBY, you know, not in my backyard.
00:34:20Uh, like, Oh yeah, we do need more mental health facilities. Oh, you're building it at the end of
00:34:25my block. Oh, you know, like this is how people are. And that's how baseball teams are. Yeah. We
00:34:31should have the best players in the WBC, just not my best players. Uh, so, uh, I, I think it
00:34:38would
00:34:38be a really great honor for him. I also think having watched him and talk to him, the, what
00:34:43would scare me is he'd try to throw 102 and strike out the side in the all-star game. Uh,
00:34:51and you'd
00:34:52really, uh, again, it would probably be best for the Yankees. If, if as great as the honor is, if
00:34:57he
00:34:57didn't get the honor, um, I hate to say that because it's such a great honor, uh, to do it,
00:35:03to have it on your career resume that you started an all-star game, it's, you know, it's a nice
00:35:08little touch and he's earned it for half a season to this point. Uh, so you, you know,
00:35:15you want that. It's like, would you ask is, do you want Ben Rice in the home run Derby?
00:35:19I don't like, I don't, to be honest with you. Yeah. So it's like, it's going to be like that
00:35:23because he's clearly earned the right to be in the home run Derby if he wants to, um, uh,
00:35:29be. So, uh, and, uh, yeah, so that, that that's like little side side things. Look, uh, it's been
00:35:38almost a year of major league pitching for Schlittler at this point. I think he came up in early July
00:35:42last
00:35:43year. Right. And, uh, it's one of the best, you know, 25 to 30 starts to open a career in
00:35:53the history
00:35:53of the, of a, of a historic organization. Uh, it's, it's, I think him and Ben Rice help extend
00:36:01whatever this run is, you know, like you and I probably were doing shows a year or more ago
00:36:07saying, Hey, you know, judge and call are getting older. What does it look like when they begin to
00:36:12age out? I'm like, I don't know. What if they get replaced with a new judge and call, you know,
00:36:16from their draft, like, uh, kind of situation. And so, uh, it, it, it helps them in every way.
00:36:24Uh, and, and, and I'll just go back to the three words I use, which is he clearly has aptitude.
00:36:30Uh, he, between, uh, refining his delivery and working in the weight room, he added velocity. Uh,
00:36:38he's added pitches, uh, to his repertoire. So there's aptitude, uh, to watch what he has said
00:36:46about the Red Sox and then how he has pitched against the Red Sox. I don't think there's any
00:36:51question about attitude. I don't, what, like, uh, even his comments, he's like, he pitches that he
00:36:57pitches. Yeah. The Blue Jays game. He's like, he's like, I care about winning. Like I want to beat
00:37:01those guys. They beat us. He has not run away from the fire in any situation and has really not
00:37:07disappointed yet where he's run it, run it a little bit, run his mouth a little bit, and he's backed
00:37:13it up.
00:37:14So I think he's got aptitude and I think he's got attitude and I think he's got altitude because
00:37:18I think he's sitting at the top of the sport with a handful of other Mizoroskis and Skeens and
00:37:24other people like who have, you know, not in the case of Mizoroski, but other people who have longer
00:37:28track race. So now the question is about durability, right? Uh, like, is he going to be able to throw
00:37:34as
00:37:35hard as often as he does for 180 ish innings and any post season, you know, it's really going to
00:37:43matter if they could win a championship or not, because at this point, he's the guy you want
00:37:47starting game one of every series. If you can do it. Uh, and to your point before, what a gift
00:37:55for
00:37:56the Yankees. If they have everybody going, if it's freed in tune, colon three and Rodon, if like,
00:38:01if they have everybody going, it's, it's their best way to get a championship. And that's what it's
00:38:07their best way to get a championship is that starting group. I, I was writing that in spring training.
00:38:12And as homers and stolen bases and all that stuff, the Yankees best chance to win is that rotation
00:38:20completely agree. And that's why it feels so pressing, like of, uh, and why I, I, I'm not
00:38:25worried about this team. Like when they lose a series like this, it's like, I think this team can
00:38:30really win a world series this year because of that rotation. And because of the emergence of
00:38:33Cam Schlittler and the potential with Cole and freed and Rodon back there, it could be that good.
00:38:40Yeah. And they need judge to come back healthy and well. And I've got, look, I have, again,
00:38:48I'm always in this age afraid to talk. Uh, it is a very, he has a very rare baseball injury.
00:38:54Yeah. It is much more like that upper rib situation, usually fractural lower. Like this is,
00:39:01this is a, a like crunch contact football injury. And so how a baseball player, and then add to it,
00:39:10a six foot seven baseball player who does everything at such full force does comes back from this.
00:39:17Like, and judge is when it comes to judge, I'll make another, a Nick analogy here. Judge injuries
00:39:26is like Leon Rose quotes. Like you just don't judge, judge, uh, when he fractured his, um, uh,
00:39:35his wrist, when he got hit, when he got hit, when he got hit, hit and was out. Yeah. The
00:39:40Yankees
00:39:41gave a timeline. I remember that. And he was beyond the timeline. Uh, and come on now, like,
00:39:49and he has suggested that people said he was like malingering in some way. I can't believe that.
00:39:56I don't remember that. Uh, like, like, look, this is a little bit like when people crap on my city,
00:40:03because like there's celebrations, there's a hundred people in every city who are assholes,
00:40:08who are looking to do damage. And if you have your cameras out, you will find them,
00:40:12whether it's New York or Philadelphia or Chicago or wherever, like, like the city was as happy as
00:40:18I've ever seen it. Millions and millions of people. If you want to make a judgment about
00:40:22a hundred people who are going to cause problems in every city, then you're just looking for a reason
00:40:28to crap on the city. Right. And I think that if judge is looking for, you know, Bob three 62
00:40:34with
00:40:34an egg avatar saying, when is this guy coming back? You'll find it. You'll find
00:40:38some miserable jerk who will, you know, question if water is wet, if you want to go look for it.
00:40:46Uh, I don't think that there was any close to mainstream questioning, like, like whatever
00:40:55problems you have with judge. And I don't know what generally a lot of the problems would be.
00:41:00So maybe post-season numbers, like the guy clearly loves to play and wants to play. And by the way,
00:41:05was playing her for a month this year, he wants to come back and play. Yeah. And so, uh,
00:41:13you could, I was chit chatting with judge the other day and he didn't obviously want to talk
00:41:18about his injuries. And I said to him, I said, I am curious because I said, you could tell me
00:41:24you'll
00:41:24be back in two weeks or you could tell me you'll be back in two months. And I have no
00:41:28track. I know
00:41:28how long it takes to heal from a hamstring. Right. I know how long it takes to get back from
00:41:32Tommy John.
00:41:32I know how long it was, you know, the ham eight bone surgery is going to take. I have no
00:41:37clue
00:41:38with judge. And he laughed. I don't, you know, he laughed when I said it, it's just a unique
00:41:43baseball injury, not a fractured rib as much as the one that's fractured as high up as it is.
00:41:48And everything on him is going to be even more rare because of his size and the force he does
00:41:55something with. So I like, we have checked the box that says, and by the way, the Yankees,
00:42:01the one thing the Yankees have said, Oh, so, so just to go back after that injury and the way
00:42:05that judge reacted to it, the Yankees and judge have shut down on his injury stuff. Like, like
00:42:12you don't get information on it. He's been very, he's been very cryptic about it ever since that
00:42:17moment. Yes. And he, um, uh, the one thing the Yankees have said is they expect them back.
00:42:24Now, again, is that the all-star game? Is it mid-August? Is it? I don't know because he's not
00:42:32doing anything. It isn't like where he, and again, maybe he is, and we wouldn't be told anyway.
00:42:39Uh, but it's a rare injury, man. It's a rare injury for a baseball player. And I, I think it's
00:42:49important, like within the context of this season, when he comes back, how he comes back is important.
00:42:57And I think we've done it as a given. And I'm, I've, uh, over the years, I think you maybe
00:43:04remember,
00:43:05I've told the story before the Yankees once said that they thought, uh, Nick Johnson with a wrist
00:43:12injury was day to day and he missed two seasons pretty much. And so, and, and by the way, I
00:43:19don't
00:43:19think they were lying. I know that people are like, uh, like I think injuries are science. They're not
00:43:25math where it's like two plus two equal four. Same bone does not heal the same way for you as
00:43:29it does
00:43:30for me, as it does for my producer, Brian Obey. It doesn't also doesn't mean that like when you try
00:43:34to ramp up, you don't have setbacks, et cetera. So, uh, I, I think, I think the one the Yankees
00:43:43have
00:43:44said, he will be back. Um, they have not come close to saying when he'll be back. I, and I
00:43:52think part
00:43:52of it is, uh, we, we probably, I think his last game was May 31st. Uh, and they said a
00:43:59scan to determine
00:44:01healing would come in four to six weeks. So we're probably moving towards four, right? Like,
00:44:06like the end of this month will be four weeks. I don't mean, and we're, we're at the 21st day
00:44:12of
00:44:12summer, right? Today is 21st. Second day of summer. Yeah. Believe it or not. Yeah. Uh,
00:44:17yeah. Uh, good. My, uh, early onset is really on. I don't know. It's, um, yeah. So, so I think
00:44:26we're
00:44:26getting close to him. It's a big question. And by the way, will, will they even, will they tell
00:44:32us he went for it? Will they tell us what the result is and will they give us some idea?
00:44:37I think
00:44:37with this player, they, they really cater and kowtow to him because of who he is. And, uh, I think
00:44:47we're more likely to hear, oh, he's going for a rehab assignment when we've heard nothing else
00:44:52up to that. Then, oh, he's like beginning to do that. Unless it's obvious, like he's hitting on
00:44:59the field or taking balls in the outfield, right. Or doing agility. Like, for example,
00:45:05like I was blown away. The Yank, um, uh, uh, Aaron Boone talked about Grisham in weeks and look,
00:45:14some of it has to be, and like five days into his IL I'm up in the, that's why you
00:45:19should always
00:45:19going to tell young reporters this when they open the building code of the building. Don't show up
00:45:24just when the clubhouse opens. Do you get less clubhouse time than ever before? When you can
00:45:28go sit in a press box, go sit in a press box. I'm watching Trent Grisham on the field, do
00:45:32high-end
00:45:33agilities like the middle of last week where I'm like, oh man, he's cutting hard and like going at it.
00:45:41Uh, and so I, I think his IL stint might be a little shorter and look, he's a polarizing figure
00:45:47to
00:45:47Yankee fans, but he was playing well. He was playing well before the injury and helping,
00:45:52helping them getting. And by the way, doing what he did last year, which was getting big hits,
00:45:56not just, but I think also Joel, this might go into what you were saying before. Like the Yankees
00:46:00are kind of showcasing Spencer Jones right now. And it's like, Hey kid, get a run here a little
00:46:04bit. Let's see what you could do in center field for almost every game. I mean, they still refuse to
00:46:09play him versus lefties, but like, let's see what you got kid. Like, and then the same thing with
00:46:12Dominguez, Hey, you're going to get a run in right field with judge out. Like see if you can handle
00:46:16that spot.
00:46:16It's been going to talk about Dominguez a little bit. It's not been pretty in right field. I'll
00:46:20tell you that much. And he also has no idea when he catches the ball, Joel, he has no idea
00:46:24where
00:46:24to throw it. He doesn't know where to throw it. I'm close to giving up on him that he could
00:46:28be an
00:46:28average outfielder. Yeah. I'm close to like, like the best hope for him to me was like a 2020 player
00:46:36who was an average outfielder. He can hit though. He can hit. He can hit. He can hit his instincts
00:46:41in the
00:46:42field. All right. They're so bad. It's like, he's by the way, this guy was a center fielder as an
00:46:48amateur, like, like every day. It looks like the first day he's ever played the outfield. He does
00:46:54he, he doesn't go get it. Well, he does it with closing speed. So he doesn't read it. Well,
00:47:04he doesn't handle balls off. Like I'll tell you something that's like interesting.
00:47:09Jose Caballero is like a major league infielder. He tracks it great. And he plays it off the wall
00:47:16as well as any outfielder, veteran outfielder. Like he plays angles. Great. Like he's a, like,
00:47:22he's a bit of a baseball rat. Like he knows where the ball's going. Just don't put him in left
00:47:28field
00:47:28though. I don't think he would look well in left field caballero. If I'm going to be honest with
00:47:32you, he made a terrific catch in left field the other day. And by the way, I just think he's
00:47:36a
00:47:37super cell. Yeah. He gets that. Like he gets it. Like, but like, like Dominguez doesn't know where
00:47:42it's going without it, you know, being well off the bat. He plays it poorly off the wall. He doesn't
00:47:48know where to throw, throw the ball when he gets it. I mean, it looks like he has just,
00:47:54you could have convinced me he was a third baseman and it's like, here's his first day in
00:47:59the outfield. And I know they've worked hard with him. I've lost some faith that it could
00:48:08approach major league average. And if it doesn't, how much does he have to hit to justify playing?
00:48:14Well, uh, with, with Stan re injuring his calf, right? Like, and let's say they got Grisham
00:48:19back sooner than they expected. Then that would push Jones back to right field. Right. You would
00:48:23think. And Dominguez would be your everyday DH with Goldschmidt getting a little bit less playing
00:48:28time just because you do want to make sure you don't overload him. I there's definitely ways to
00:48:32work around it, Joel, but the kid had three hits from the right side the other day. Uh, he hits
00:48:37a
00:48:37double over the weekend as well from the left side, the power power side. So like he can hit,
00:48:42I know you know that, but like, yeah, it's scary that him in the outfield, like I don't want to
00:48:47see him in the outfield defensively in a playoff game. It just, it, that's, that's ultimately what
00:48:52he, what he is. Just, I, I, if he's in the outfield in a playoff game, that, that, that means
00:48:57a lot of
00:48:58bad things have happened to multiple outfields. Yeah. A hundred percent. Uh, Joel, let's finish up
00:49:03with Joel's notebook. So I think what's interesting is that, you know, I think you were the first one
00:49:07and maybe I'm wrong, but I think you were the first one to mention the Ryan Jeffers connection
00:49:11to the Yankees, Tanner Swanson, you've brought up like those are serious connection there between
00:49:15the twins and the Yankees and Ryan Jeffers. He's still trying to come back from the ham eight bone
00:49:20injury. He should be back. I think before the end of June, I think they're hoping to get him back
00:49:23to the twins, but I just, I I'm interested, Joel, everyone in, in their mother on the beat.
00:49:29Now, all of a sudden is like, there's so much connection between Ryan Jeffers and the Yankees.
00:49:33The Yankees are all in on this guy. Look, whether it happens or not, I don't know, but
00:49:38is that just really like it's written on the wall? The Yankees are going to go get Ryan
00:49:42Jeffers, no matter what, or could they still be looking at other catchers in the trade market?
00:49:47Because Austin Wells comes back up yesterday, right? And they send JC Ascara down. Ali Sanchez
00:49:53is going to go on the paternity list in a couple of days. So JC Ascara, who was hitting should
00:49:57be back up. The Yankees actually got some production from the catcher spot before Austin Wells came
00:50:03back. Like they were starting to get some hits, uh, which I find interesting, but how is this
00:50:07going to work with the catcher spot, Joel for Joel's notebook? Yeah, look, uh, uh, me, it
00:50:15was 2% hearing Ryan Jeffers name and 98% trying to play 31st GM. Uh, like, like I'll give
00:50:26you
00:50:26an example. Um, I think, was it the 19 or 18 season where they traded for Jay Hap? Uh,
00:50:34was that 18? Was that 18? I think, I think it was 18. I think you're right. And early
00:50:40in the year I started writing, I think they're going to end up with Jay Hap that year. And
00:50:47when they did 20, like, I remember somebody said like, who tipped you off to it? And I was
00:50:53like, you know, there's only 30 teams of the 30 teams. Some of them right away to clear
00:50:59themselves as sellers. The team that's in front of you begins to have obvious needs. And
00:51:07by the way, has some track record of what they like. Right. And so like in the case of Jay
00:51:14Hap, Toronto was really bad. Uh, the Yankees really needed a lefty starter who they thought
00:51:21could start a playoff game. And I know like one of the names that got mentioned a lot
00:51:26that year, if I'm remembering, right, was Matt Boyd, who I think was with the Tigers back
00:51:30then. And I'm like, I would say to people I've heard really nothing on happen. I've
00:51:35heard nothing on Boyd, but Boyd is a fly ball pitcher and the Yankees like, like strikeouts
00:51:41and ground. Most teams do. I mean, every team, if you, you know, it's like one of the crazy
00:51:45things about, can I tell you, remind me, I want to tell you something about Camilo Duvall.
00:51:50Okay.
00:51:50Right. But you know, um, the Yankees really liked strikeouts and ground balls and Hap was
00:51:58a strikeout ground ball guy. And I was like, non-contending team lefty starter ground balls
00:52:04and strikeouts. You're a seller. Here's a buyer. It isn't like you could find a lot of
00:52:11Jay Hap on other teams that were surely going to sell. So at some point you just sit there
00:52:17and go, I mean, do I have to have a source who says to me, I think the Yankees will
00:52:23at
00:52:23least call on the guy. Yes. You want to like whatever, but if I'm doing speculation, sometimes
00:52:29I'll write in a column, Hey, I want to be clear. I haven't heard anything, but if I were
00:52:33the Yankees, this is a call I would make that just became obvious with Jeffers because I think
00:52:40the Yankees need a right hand hitting catcher. They want the guy to be able to hit lefty
00:52:46pitching. They want a guy who they like their experience having acquired Yvonne, you know,
00:52:52Pudge Rodriguez 20 ish years ago was they don't really like to add a catcher during the season.
00:52:56So it has to be somebody they feel they could, uh, kind of, uh, implement into their system.
00:53:03Well, what about somebody who worked with Tanner Swanson for a couple of years in Minnesota?
00:53:08So, so like you're playing detective, like, can I bring this case to court? I can, I'm not sure
00:53:15I'll get an innocent or guilty conviction, but I got a lot of evidence. Yes. That this is the kind
00:53:23of player. Don't lead the witness show. Don't lead the witness. All right. Like, like, you know,
00:53:29how many guys hit lefty pitching, great or right-hand hitting catchers on a team that you have a
00:53:36feeling won't be contending who the Yankees have made deals with before for a catcher. They feel
00:53:42they could install in their system quickly. I, I feels like one guy, uh, and let's say, you know,
00:53:52like, by the way, bad news for the Yankees. The twins have played a little better recently.
00:53:56The guy who took over as the control person, Tom Polad, you know, took over from his brother,
00:54:02Joe, he does not want to sell. He wants to go for it this year. He doesn't like, you know,
00:54:07they bled attendance there. They want to try to win as many games as possible. I don't even know
00:54:12Ryan Jeffers will get on the market, even as, by the way, you want to add one more thing.
00:54:16He's a walkier player who probably isn't resigning with the twins after the season,
00:54:21right? Like there's just a lot of evidence to suggest he's the kind of guy. Do they end up with
00:54:28somebody else? Yeah. Like most things don't happen. Trades are hard, but if you were just
00:54:33playing the put, you know, let's connect dots. Some of this is like, wow, how'd you come up with
00:54:41that guy? I don't know. Cause Wednesday followed Tuesday this week again. And sometimes you have
00:54:45to bet, you know, I bet you next week, Wednesday will follow Tuesday again. So, uh, Camilo Duvall,
00:54:53Camilo Duvall talk to me. So if you went and looked at his profile, he's kind of what the Yankees
00:55:04like, which is probably why they did it. I know there's a sense he walks people. He does not.
00:55:10He has a very low walk rate. He has a very high ground ball rate and he has an above
00:55:16average
00:55:17strikeout rate in the major leagues. He has the profile of a guy who should be a good reliever.
00:55:24And he is not because he is a very untimely reliever. He, he like to me, him and Jake bird
00:55:33just do not get through innings without making enough bad pitches to kill you. And so Duvall is
00:55:42one of those guys. Like you could watch the right inning and he had it like at the beginning of
00:55:47June,
00:55:47like the first five, six, seven outings early this month, we're all attack, attack, lots of ground
00:55:54balls, strikeouts, one, two, three simple innings. And then you watch the, you know, the Ben attendee
00:56:00grand slam, uh, you know, stuff like that. And it's just like, Oh, he's always going to make enough
00:56:06pitches to kill you while having the profile. It's why, uh, again, I am not, you have come to
00:56:13the wrong pew. If you think I'm anti-analytic, I think that analytics help a great deal. And I think
00:56:19most of the people who criticize analytics don't even know what it is in the full swath of what
00:56:24teams are doing behind the scenes at a level that the average fan would have no clue about.
00:56:30And it covers a great deal of stuff, including predictive things. But I feel like if you only
00:56:36looked at Duvall on a piece of paper and didn't watch it day to day, you'd be like, wow, what
00:56:42an
00:56:43untapped gem. And I wouldn't be surprised if there was an analytic team out there that as the Yankees,
00:56:50that he turns out to be like the Oswald Peraza trade this year, where the Yankees are cleaning up
00:56:56their roster in August because they've, um, uh, in early August at the trade deadline where they've,
00:57:02um, put LaGrange in the bullpen. They feel like Schmidt is close to doing it and they've traded
00:57:08for two relievers. I bet you there's a team out there that will take Duvall or by the way, the
00:57:15Yankees, he has an option, which I don't think people recognize. They could send them to the minors to
00:57:20just keep the depth if they want, but there is a profile there that very analytic teams will look
00:57:29at the profile and believe, Ooh, with our pitching coach. Yeah. And I'm sure there's, he's going to
00:57:35get more chances. I was going to say, they're going to keep trying to tweak him and hopefully get
00:57:39find that, that, that analytically great thing that they want. Right. He just, yes, he just
00:57:46Jake bird. Like, I just think Jake bird's going to throw multiple sliders in inning. You throw so
00:57:52many, uh, that are just going to kill you. Yeah. Like, like, I don't know how that works longterm.
00:58:00Uh, Duvall, I feel like is a much more interesting piece of clay to work with. And there is so
00:58:08much
00:58:08there that should be good. And he cannot, he can't get there. And for a team who's playing
00:58:17for the championship, you can't give them the ball in a big spot, I think, but I think he's going
00:58:24to
00:58:24get a lot more opportunities because again, I would encourage people that I always appreciate
00:58:29people watching this go to someplace like where you could do the ranks, like say fan graphs and go
00:58:35look like what his walk rate is compared to the league. Go look what his ground ball rate is
00:58:40compared to the league. Go look like what his strikeout rate is compared to like, these are all
00:58:44the things you want. And by the way, even his home run rate is pretty good. Cause he keeps the
00:58:50ball on
00:58:50the ground. Like they are the profile of a good major league to very good major league relief pitcher
00:58:56who's sitting with a five something ERA in the major leagues. He doesn't, his, his statistical profile
00:59:04does not make sense for the pitcher. He is unless you watch him and go, Oh, he's going to make
00:59:10the
00:59:11mistake at the wrong time. He has not got that thing. That's hard to explain and quantify that
00:59:17gets you through the inning when the inning is rough. Uh, he look like you said, there's, there's going to
00:59:24be some factors coming in here soon, whether it's internally externally, that will shape where Duvall
00:59:30ends up in this bullpen, but he is going to continue to get the run that he is right now.
00:59:34Uh, as the Yankees are, let's be real, Joel, they are testing their depth all around. I mean,
00:59:39both at the position player and in the bullpen as well. Um, getting a lot of deuce McBride and Landry
00:59:45Shannon here. Hey, like to see, can see, you know, some of them are going to be like, let them,
00:59:50let
00:59:50them, let the, some of them are going to be DOR and Kolek. They're not going to get run in
00:59:53the
00:59:54playoffs, but maybe they help you get through the regular season. Yeah. And that really, I just think
00:59:58they're going to be the Knicks and then we're going to get to October, whatever. And we're
01:00:02going to see, are they healthy and can they make a run? I think this team can, and I think
01:00:07it's
01:00:08really special. I just want to see us get through these next couple of months though, and see if
01:00:12they can continue to play good baseball, uh, meaning like be productive, beat the teams,
01:00:16the bad teams that you're playing. They're playing the tigers, they're playing the Red Sox,
01:00:20the tigers again, beat up on these bad teams. And maybe like you said, by August, once you get
01:00:25those reinforcements, you're looking like the clear cut runaway best team in the American
01:00:29league. It could be that way. And look, and I think I said this on the show last week,
01:00:33Ryan, I'll reiterate it. There's a real advantage for them opening a gap here because they are
01:00:40going to be trying things, right? Like they are going to be like, Oh, what does Legrand
01:00:45Hey look like in big spots? What does, um, Schmidt look like if we use him as a hybrid multiple
01:00:51inning guy? Oh, like, like, like how do we want to work? Judge Freed, maybe Stanton back
01:00:59into this mix here and some comfort in the standings gives you the ability to do that.
01:01:07What I think they'll do anyway, but you get to do it with more comfort. Their run differential
01:01:14suggests that they should have a bigger lead, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and look,
01:01:20they have the best record in the American league and they're on their way to like a 95 plus
01:01:25win season. It's a really good season is where they're arcing and they're doing it without
01:01:29judge and stand and free. Think about that again. Think about where you're at doing this
01:01:33right now. And, and so to me, to me opening this thing up, like they've lost a bunch of
01:01:39games to town. Next time you play Tampa beat the hell out of them. Yeah. Like those games,
01:01:43like creating some gap here is going to have a August, September, especially September
01:01:52advantage where you're going to be like, which Schlittler be able to say, we're going to a six
01:01:56man rotation, right? Schmidt is going to start down the stretch, something like that. Hey,
01:02:04we do want, Hey, let's see what Luis Hill looks like pitching the seventh inning. That's a lot easier.
01:02:09If you have an eight game lead on September 1st, then Hey, can't screw around here. We want to get
01:02:15the, the, win the division and get the buy. We got to close strong here. So I do think
01:02:22we're going to judge them by October, but they have a lot of work to do along here,
01:02:26the way here to make October easier is the wrong word where, you know, a lot more about your team
01:02:33going into October. And that would be easiest if they could open up.
01:02:37Joel Sherman. We appreciate you always hopping on here, joining us, giving us all your Yankees
01:02:41Intel. And look, we're looking forward to senior coverage throughout the week. We'll see how this
01:02:45goes against the Tigers and Red Sox. And we're looking forward to catching up with you again
01:02:48next week. Thanks Joel. Yeah. Congratulations again, Ryan to you and your bride. Thank you so
01:02:52much. And thanks everyone for watching.