00:00What about the past of the Cleveland Browns?
00:01Boy, got a little bit more explanation on some things that happened over the weekend.
00:06Did you see what Landry Locker shared with us?
00:08You know, I happened to see that, our friend in Houston.
00:11Yeah, down there in Houston.
00:14Landry's got his own thing going down there.
00:16And there's been a couple of former Browns that have ended up with the Houston Texans over time.
00:22But didn't Christian Kirksey end up with the Texans?
00:25After the Browns, I thought Christian Kirksey did.
00:26Yes, and then you had, because he went to the Packers,
00:30and then he went to, either way, I might have gotten my rods and codes mixed up.
00:34Then, of course, you had Nick last year.
00:35And now Wyatt Teller there this year.
00:39Maybe Deshaun Watson a few years from now?
00:41Do you think he could go back?
00:42No, probably not.
00:44Yeah, probably not.
00:45Maybe his, wait a minute, he can't go back as a backup someday down the line?
00:48I don't think so.
00:49Reggie Jackson ended up with the Oakland A's by the time it was all said and done.
00:54I understand there's differences there, but still, I mean, never say never.
01:00Anyway, speaking of Wyatt, Wyatt Teller had some comments yesterday that might have opened up the Pandora's box
01:07into some of the stuff that happened last year.
01:09Go ahead.
01:09You know, in all honesty, I got a little complacent.
01:11You get used to a city, you get used to your routine and everything like that.
01:15But at the same time, you know, it kind of refired me up.
01:17End of the year last year, you know, I'm not going to throw away six years that they treated me
01:20unbelievable
01:21for, you know, six months of indifference or whatever.
01:24So I still have no ill will to anybody there.
01:27But I felt like they kind of blamed it on the offensive line, which don't get me wrong.
01:30Did we play at our standard?
01:31We were the top five offensive line for so long and then to kind of drop off.
01:34But anyway, there was so much issues.
01:36You can't point at one thing.
01:37But that being said, it kind of fired me up coming into this offseason,
01:40training as hard as I've trained in a long time, kind of getting body fat down, getting weighed up,
01:44getting back to strength.
01:45Coach Eubanks here is unbelievable.
01:47We had a great strength coach in Cleveland and Larry Jackson, but Mike Eubanks here is the real deal.
01:52You know, the way we practice, you kind of have to train extremely hard.
01:55Not only be strong, but also be in condition.
01:57You know, I feel like there were some things that I did in the past that just wasn't in condition
02:00as well as I could.
02:01Trying to save tread on the tires better than they.
02:03You don't want to take anything for granted.
02:05You don't want to be like, hey, I'm saving it for next year, saving it for next year, saving it
02:08next year,
02:08when there could be no next year.
02:09And that kind of fired me up a little bit this year.
02:11That's Wyatt Teller talking to the media down in Houston.
02:14It doesn't matter where the training camp or OTAs are, there will always be a truck in reverse in the
02:21background.
02:21Yes, it's true.
02:22It just doesn't matter.
02:23Oh my God, it's absolutely true.
02:27It's almost like a bet.
02:28That is true.
02:29Yeah.
02:29What did you think of those comments when he said about blaming the offensive line?
02:32Well, you know, just because of what I do for a living.
02:35I don't know that the average fan does this as much, but we are always trying to parse through every
02:43form of communication
02:44to figure out what went wrong, why did it go wrong.
02:48And you're sitting there listening to him talk about the indifference after six years or all the good years,
02:55and then the last six months and whatever went haywire.
02:58And then you're waiting.
03:00Is he talking about Kevin?
03:01Is he talking about Andrew?
03:02Who's he talking about?
03:03Is he talking about the quarterback situation?
03:06How does he feel about Shador?
03:07Like, you just sit there, and you got the popcorn out, and you're waiting to get any kind of intel
03:13you can
03:13because you feel like, hey, that whole thing ended up in a weird mess.
03:17But then the coach just left, and the GM stayed.
03:21So, is that the organization all admitting that was all Kevin?
03:25And Andrew had nothing to do with it?
03:27Did a call come from up above?
03:30Like, hey, we need to see other guys on the offensive line.
03:33Like, even if it meant losing games or putting your young quarterback at risk?
03:38So, say whatever you want to.
03:39Or your running game.
03:40This show, and I know I like Wyatt.
03:43All right?
03:44Everybody knows that.
03:45I like Wyatt personally.
03:47That said, I don't care if Wyatt and I hated each other.
03:51I still thought it was asinine to rotate your offensive lineman the way that they did.
03:56Yeah, what happened?
03:57And the best thing that happened for them afterwards, to explain it technically, was that he got banged up at
04:03the end.
04:04Well, I don't think he gets banged up at the end had you not had him come in cold for
04:07a fourth down when you had Tevin Jenkins out there.
04:10Go ahead and let Tevin Jenkins finish things off then if you're going to do it that way.
04:13I mean, I'm going back to my own memory last year because I thought it was just ridiculous.
04:17To take your – you don't rotate offensive linemen.
04:20And the way I thought about it was I thought it was just terrible considering the quarterback situation where you're
04:26trying to tell me that you take these guys seriously and you're rotating offensive linemen when I didn't have anybody
04:30on an injury list before this.
04:32Like, again, the best example I can give of an offensive lineman rotation is always out of necessity.
04:40This wasn't out of necessity until it became out of necessity because Wyatt Teller ended up getting banged up.
04:46If you just wanted to put in – I mean, we got to a point there in the season where
04:49if you just wanted to put in Tevin Jenkins to see what Tevin Jenkins can do, fine.
04:54And, yeah, I know a lot of people are sitting there counting all the days that Wyatt Teller kind of
04:59had a rough day at the office in this last year.
05:02And I think Wyatt says it wasn't his very best season no matter what.
05:05It wasn't.
05:06No matter what I want to say.
05:07But I still thought there was a way to go about this better instead of putting your quarterbacks at risk.
05:12I thought that that was ridiculous.
05:13And really taking an offensive line – what bothered me the most is that if you're an offensive guy –
05:20and maybe we'll hear more about this as time goes on again.
05:23And Barry's still here.
05:24Kevin Stefanski isn't.
05:25And I don't know how many people care about Kevin Stefanski anymore.
05:28But I do think that that's a look into – wait a minute.
05:31If you're a Falcons fan, if that ends up being true, I get really weirded out about how little Kevin
05:37Stefanski may think offensive line play may mean.
05:40Which is maybe a cheap shot.
05:41I don't care.
05:42Because that would be scary to me.
05:43If you're just taking guys and putting them there and thinking that they're going to be able to fill in.
05:48To me, that's the wrong type of thinking.
05:50There are guys, there are great athletes that can do different things.
05:52I mean, hell, we're hoping that Spencer Fano can go right over there to left tackle and start left tackle
05:57week one against the Jags.
05:58And we're going to go through a nice double-digit season career with Spencer Fano.
06:03And he's going to be a great left tackle for us.
06:05And God bless him.
06:05I hope he is.
06:06But there is a risk to doing any of this.
06:09And we saw that with the guy that we're hoping that he ultimately replaces where that didn't go that way.
06:15He wasn't willing to put in that type of work.
06:17He wasn't willing to get over that threshold.
06:19And that's what you're hoping with Spencer Fano.
06:20So to just take offensive linemen and willy-nilly put them in there wasn't right to your football team.
06:25And it certainly wasn't right to your quarterback situation.
06:27So I understand the way the PFF graded it.
06:30I saw the PFF grades, guys.
06:32I know that the offensive line wasn't as bad as what we made them out to be at times.
06:37And that they definitely came off as a scapegoat with certain QB performances.
06:42I understand that, too, in certain games.
06:44But still, you can't tell me that that was a great thing to do for your football team.
06:49QB, the whole group, is to be rotating guys in and out and thinking we're going to get over the
06:54hump.
06:54And then having a guy come in there cold and then hurt himself in a calf, which can be a
06:57very serious injury if you let that linger.
06:59And have that type of problem that you had for the rest of the year.
07:02Did you have any problem with him admitting that, you know, basically said he's going to have to recommit himself
07:08to getting stronger and all that stuff?
07:10I know I saw some fans say, oh, now he does that.
07:12And I'm like, well, athletes can be very, you know, put, you know.
07:17I thought it was a strong admission.
07:18Yeah.
07:19I thought it was a strong admission.
07:20Like, they always do talk about their motivational tactics.
07:24And I think, you know, some guys, there is a malaise, right?
07:28You know, we use that term so much with the Cavs and the fans.
07:31You look at the way.
07:32Look, it can happen with professional athletes.
07:34Wyatt's career has been, they said some nasty things about him on the way out the door with the Buffalo
07:38Bills when he got traded to Cleveland.
07:39They said some really nasty things, questioned his toughness, the whole thing.
07:43You're here for a long period of time with six, seven seasons with the Cleveland Browns.
07:46You've seen a lot during that time.
07:48Yeah, I think there does tend to be a little bit of a tendency to kind of slack off a
07:55little bit.
07:55And I think Wyatt has reset himself once when he came from Buffalo to Cleveland.
07:59He's going to have to reset himself again.
08:01Certain guys, it's very hard to keep going back to it when everything else is going around.
08:07That's what made Joel great.
08:08That's what made Joe great is you still had consistent great play even though everything around him was going haywire.
08:16That's why we had so much respect for those guys because it is hard.
08:19I mean, look at the way you are as Browns fans.
08:23We get to December.
08:24Do people care during a terrible year?
08:26No.
08:27We start talking more Cavs.
08:29We hope that the Guardians end up having a nice long jump into the postseason so we can put off
08:34some of the bad Browns stuff that we have to talk to.
08:36I mean, that comes from us.
08:37So if you're playing for them, of course, it's going to only be natural at times to, yeah, you know,
08:42it's going to be hard to get up for this game considering we're a three-win team and everybody's talking
08:45about getting everybody fired and they're talking about me ending up in other places.
08:49I could see that.
08:51I should be more critical of Wyatt than during his time this last year because he's openly admitting it.
08:57But at the same time, I can understand where he's coming from on that.
08:59I mean, when you get let go of by a team and you end up being a free agent, I
09:04think it was, what, week two with the Houston Texans, that's a challenge to you.
09:09That's a challenge for you and your career as a football player.
09:13It was just very interesting to me that that comes out, you know, yesterday and then it sent the fans
09:19in scramble mode to try to connect dots on everything.
09:23So I don't know that, you know, we're not going to hear from Kevin Stavansky.
09:25No.
09:25We're just, he's coaching a team.
09:27You know, it's not like he's doing media.
09:29Did you think there was a different explanation than what I just said?
09:31No.
09:31Maybe you felt differently.
09:32I agreed that, like, clearly, but we knew Wyatt was, his temperament changed last year and the way that the
09:39team, you know, it's always like the team will talk guys up, their PR will talk guys up, and everything
09:46is kumbaya until it isn't.
09:48And we clearly could see at the end of the year.
09:51And, you know, part of it was his family's social media posts as well.
09:54We appreciate everybody in the Teller household that listened to the show every day, but we could tell that something
10:01went down.
10:02We're just trying to figure out how it went down.
10:06I think Wyatt, at certain times last year, became very paranoid.
10:10When you make those switches on the offensive line, he's in the last year of his contract, you're reaching an
10:16age that you know isn't necessarily conducive with staying around on a football team like this.
10:22Yeah, the end is near, right?
10:24I think that, yeah, you could definitely think that way.
10:26And with the way things went, I'm just not surprised.
10:30I wish him the very best.
10:31Love, Wyatt.
10:32But I do think that we need to hold on to that audio because that's a look back into the
10:35past of what could help explain some of the stuff that's here in the future because I can't blame everything
10:40on the offensive line all the time.
10:41I can't just keep doing that.
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